I've been critical of Browns D for playing "well" at times but not really making big plays, tonight they made a lot of big plays. the only Steelers scoring drive was 90% penalties..

the offense played ok, still left a lot on the field... didn't capitalize on TOs.

Mayfield looked pretty good, mistakes are way down, which is good. Clearly still not completely on the same page with WRs.. a lot of his throws weren't an accuracy problem, they were "I thought you were going a different way" problem.

Will openly admit on that last TD drive I was hoping we would just run it on 3rd down and kick the FG.. gutsy play and one heck of a catch by Carlson...

A lot of players on D played well but Schobert is D player of the week. Probably shouldn't even be close.

Shobert played a heck of a game. He definitely should be player of the week

We have probably lost some of our most important players on D for multiple games and injury.

Sad to say, even with a win, our season is lost.

I thought the D played well also, but I'd probably feel a little bit better about it if I knew they weren't playing Pittsburgh's B-team. It was sort of like the Jets game, where we were playing a severally handicapped side, and we didn't exactly win going-away.

Schobert had himself a night. I thought Mac Wilson played well too. Greedy though needs to learn to turn his head when the ball is up in the air. He got a couple of PI calls, and felt like he could of been called for a few others.

In defense of the offense, The Steelers' Defense is legit. As much as everyone has been screaming for us to run it and run it again, Chubb wasn't exactly getting huge running lanes. Our offensive line has some major issues too. Still, the defense had several big turnovers that put us at midfield or closer ... those should have been turned into points by the offense. Instead, we went three-and-out and missed on long FG attempts.

I feel like Beckham is almost hurting us at this point as well. More than a few times Baker would throw his way, the the ball would sail past him, and he had a look on his face like, "Oh, was the play going my way that time?" Hopefully he attends all involuntary workouts this off-season.

Again, this sort of felt like the Jets win earlier this year, where we won, but it felt like we should of won by a lot more. Then the whole Garrett thing happened, and it felt like we won the game, but lost the season.

Setting the fight aside, this team has much to be proud about.

Our D destroyed them. Wilks called an amazing D.
He brung the heat when he needed to. Everyone was on point and did their jobs. Was it 4 turnovers? Wow!

I feel bad for the D that their awesome effort is going to be lost in the crapstorm.

On O, well, first drive was great! After that, I dont know. Our players were trying to make a silk purse out of a swine's ear worth of playcalling.

I'm not going to complain about FK because we won. But I am staring at him and Monkin hard.

Freddie's offense sucks.

The play to Harris, where we had the double PI call I didn't understand... Harris was open, the ball was on the way, all he had to do was play the ball.. instead he started pushing and grabbing at the DB and ended up having to try a 1 handed catch on the ball... the play was there, just make the play.

The play to OBJ in the corner of the endzone, he was coming open, Baker threw it right where it needed to be and OBJ wasn't looking until way too late and he had stopped the route..

I feel like OBJ doesnt give a crap about this team or even try.

I could be wrong. Maybe he is just overrated.

OP:

Wait...you mean all that pushing, shoving, throwing, and running around weren't just the undercards for the main event and there was a football game going on?



We were wondering on discord if he legit needs a prescription visor. Looks like he's running around blind out there too often. Can he not make out the ball until it gets too close?

So the thing that stands out to me over the past several weeks is that the offense comes out hot and then sputters after the first one or two drives.

I think that this points to play calling being a major issue. Roughly the first 15 plays are scripted and put together by the offensive staff. We look really good when running those first plays. But after that, when the play calling becomes more situational and reactive, the productivity plummets.

To me, this really indicates that we should change how plays are being called or change who is calling them, because at the beginning of the game, it looks like the staff is actually putting together some pretty good concepts.

NFL managed to make a sad day out of what should be sheer happiness.

WE BEAT THE STEELERS!!!

But instead of joy, I’m sad Garrett will be suspended all year FOR DEFENDING HIMSELF.
I won’t say more than that cuz this thread isn’t about the fight.

No Higgins sightings was weird.

Terrible play calling.

Showboat showed out!
Burnett had a great game before the injury too.

Where were all the Ejections when Ray Lewis and James Harrison we’re ending Browns players careers with dirty hits?

All that said...

WE WHOOPED THE STEELERS!

Also, lets not forget the HUGE CONGRATS for Nick Chubb!

He got his 1K yards!

Good Job.

Schobert was awesome last night, and Wilson seemed to be as well.

Ward made a few very nice plays to save big gains.

Carlson with a heck of a catch.

Our offense just doesn’t seem to click nearly enough.

OBJ is a huge bust for us.

Hodge made an impact.

No Higgins targets? That continues to be a strange situation

It was a win against a hated foe.

The D was awesome.

Our running back tandem is excellent. I wish we had 53 Chubbs of different sizes, shapes, and skillsets.

Landry is a stud.

Shobert is the unsung hero.

We have good corners, but Greedy needs to mature and play smarter.

Mack Wilson is good, I think he can be great.

Baker shoed some nice pocket awareness, and he's definitely playing better.

Where the "f" is Higgins? Whatever is going on here, it's BS that is hurting the team. He needs to be on the field because...

Baker and OBJ have absolutely zero chemistry and OBJ has very little idea where he's supposed to be. I think he's too busy building his "brand" to study the playbook and catch with two hands. PS - He is basically useless in tight coverage.

Burnett was having one hell of a game until he blew out his Achilles. He may be done. Sucks.

Wish we'd blitz more often, especially against young, inexperienced QBs. We give them way to much time to get comfortable. JMHO

I agree on OBJ/Baker ... it’s like they have no connectivity at all. One is off on each play. Heck, OBJ is being re-directed before each snap by Baker or Jarvis. Something’s amiss between them

Pisses me off. Someone (OBJ) is not doing their homework.

-D showed up, bigtime! I can't even begin to express how happy it makes me to say that. Been waiting to say that all season. And to the people that say we beat their B-team... well that B team was on a 4 game run. Plus, nobody gave us any credit when we were trotting our injured B teams out there all those years.

Schobert was making HUGE plays!!
Burnett played really well against his old team
Greedy should change his name to lazy. No reason he should be toasted by a 17th stringer like he was.
Ward played well. Had the PI, but made up for it.

-We needed a win, and we got it. I hope the locker room doesn't lose sight of us going out and getting a tough win when we needed one. This was a huge huge huge win (statement win). Before the madness, Aikman was saying this exact thing... something to the effect of "lots of teams that put it together and start rolling can point back to a single game that was the turning point". Up until 10 secs to go, I was convinced this game was it.

-Offense is improving. Execution on offense is way way up. As Baker said, it's not where it needs to be, but they played pretty much mistake-free football, which is a HUGE improvement from just a couple games ago. I'll take it. Now they just need to progress on to ironing out these timing issues between QB and WR. Offense isn't where it should be, but it's to a point where they can be carried by a dominant defensive effort. That's a huge improvement.

Why no Higgins? Hodge showed up and played well, though. Pitt's secondary is no joke.
Our Oline got abused in the second half. Couldn't get any sort of run game going.
Credit where it's due, Freddie stuck with Chubb in the second half. Didn't think he had it in him.
Hunt was HUGE. We're just scratching the surface having him out there, but his 3rd down plays were critical.
I thought Baker played his best game of the season. He was a different guy in terms of moving around in the pocket. He made mostly good decisions, no TOs, and I only remember 1 pass that should've been picked (dropped by the D). Again, hope the locker room doesn't lose sight of the positive from this game.

.. Our Offense is hampered by the O-Line play at the out set. I can't rap my head around Freddie the play caller last year vers. this season. Way to much talent on the O for the minuscule production...
.. Think I really got it Wrrrrong when it comes to Fred . Very disappointed in Coaching..
.. Don't care for the 4/2 and a lot of zone from Wilks, but will say that was the best D play since the Rats game. Schobert made me eat Vrow in this game ..lol

Our play calling is mind boggling a lot of the time ... the sequence at the end of the half was awful again. we had a big turnover, had the ball on their 35 yard line ... and had 3 straight bad plays

.. Don't understand the inner workings of Mokin and Kitchens with the O .. No doubt Fred is pass happy... It's early ( two back/backfield ) but I don't see any cohesiveness when their both on the field .. I'm just some Old , old Football fan and I saw certain plays coming a mile away . DC's are locked in on our O fairly well... I go up the food chain a little further than most posters do " Dorsey " .. I had John pegged as a double edge sword when we hired him . Just like Kitchen's make you scrtach your head ; Dorsey is my main event at this point.. Don't even get me ranting about the Higgins thing !

Anyone know how many snaps Higgs played yesterday?

- The defense has played three terrible offenses in a row. This is the first they have truly stepped up in. Despite injuries. Schobert of course was great, but I thought Ward was as well.

-Greedy really needs to work on his ball skills. Money Mitch should be starting in his place

-Our offense has played 3 great defenses in a row without a TO, big change from the start of the year, that is half the battle.

-Our oline is not good, but I thought they at least played average and not terrible against a very stuff stealers unit. But the people that think we can just line up and run it down great defenses throats are mistaken, that was proven at times in this game and in our red zone offense over the past few week.

-Bakers pocket awareness was exceptional and was part of the difference in this game.

-Bakers is rolling right less often and when he does he is finding people, if they stay on their routes.

-The #1 problem with our O is the line. I can accept that because they are trying hard, but lack the talent. The #2 problem with our O is the wide receivers, mostly I am talking about OBJ and occasionally Landry. They prepare for the game by picking out shoes and deciding how to taunt Tomlin, yet don't know what route to run or where to line up. I truly believe Higgins would produce more than OBJ.

-While I'll provide some defense of Kitchens play calling, the lack of discipline on his team is indefensible. If he could get discipline and accountability we would be a solid playoff team.

-Look for our offense to break out against the dolphins, the first non-elite D they have seen in a long while. and the D to survive against another poor offense

Didn't see him, or Ratley, at all.... instead, we saw a bunch of Hodge.

Hodge has somehow gotten ahead of both of them in all packages, despite being lower on the depth chart.

I'm thinking that Higgins, Ratley, and Callaway all have worked themselves into the dog house.

Steelers offense is not terrible. It's obviously not as good as it is with Ben, but they have a top 3 Online and a strong running game. They have guys that can make plays with the ball in their hands and, most importantly, they have a system that maximizes strengths and has a clear directive (run ball, control clock, let the D win the game).

While I will completely agree with your first point there, I will not agree with the second and the evidence is the growth this team is showing every game. Turnovers are down, penalties are WAY down, especially the most egregious which are the alignment & pre-snap variety.... that is ALL discipline.

Yep, Higgins may need to start dropping passes, line up incorrectly, run the wrong route, get some fancy shoes, skip practices, and do drugs if he wants to see the field. Kitchens standard, thats why this team is underachieving.

Great point bringing up pre snap penalties. There was a stretch in the first half where the Steelers were totally out of sorts.

Baker did indeed improve and it shows, but you don't have to bash other players to justify his lack of production.

OL is not Bad, and our Wr's are exceptional.Your beef with OBJ is just absurd..

Ya ... it’s Freddies fault .... he ran them for every penalty during TC ... HE CANT FINE THEM FOR PENALTIES ...

Let me ask all u menZas ..... 4 life u run your mouth about this all the time ...

Whats Freddies solution? ... exactly what should he do to establish discipline in these MORONS? ...

Freddie deserves some of the heat ya’all give him ... but on this one ... YOUR DEAD NUTS WRONG!!!! The HC can only do so much ...

I’ll be waiting for LEGITE SOLUTIONS from any of ya’all that wanna blame Freddie for everything ....

WHAT EXACTLY WOUD ALL U menZas DO?

I'll second his beef with OBJ; dude is a straight-up individual, not a Team guy, at all. OBJ is about OBJ and every one of his antics proves that over and over again. Each time he takes the field and doesn't know where to line up or which route to run, it shows that.

Defense played well, albeit against 2nd and 3rd teamers..Juju was getting wide open against ward/greedy. So I think that has to be taken into consideration on the overall performance. But they did what they needed to on a night where poor playcalling and oline play reared its head again. I swear with a decent OC and we probably scored atleast 35 last night. This offense should run through our backfield. You have a guy leading the league in rushing right now and a guy that lead the league in rushing two years ago and was on pace again before suspended and you get pass happy. Or you run in obvious sets. Theres no balance to the calls and they don't make any sense. It doesn't appear to be any gameplan, nor do we make decent adjustments in game.. Thats why we come out hot and then fizzle the rest of the game. Team needs more discipline in all 3 phases. Hopefully we get vernon back. Hopefully we address the safety position somehow. Going to be hard to do, burnett was lights out last night. Best he's played the whole season. Baker has been keeping the turnovers down and made some good decisions last night as well as some poor reads, but he is playing much better and not hurting the team like he was early in the year. Something looks off with his throwing motion though..can't put my finger on it but it looks different. I think last night Hunt should have got the majority of the carries since it was a short week. That's how you manage workload with two capable guys. Chubb looked gassed last night and missed some holes/cuts. Short week, he should have been given a lighter workload.

I think were learning why the Gnats basically gave him away .... at least he produced there .... wonder if he’s pouting cause he’s not on broadway anymore .... biggest disappointment in a season chalk full of them ..

Actually, i am justifying kitchens play calling more than anything. We don't have an oline that can just line up and run power football. Our wr's have exceptional talent but are not playing probowl football, especially obj, he is good for 2 drops a game. he nearly dropped the first td. I stand by higgins should replace him. I'm glad we have someone like Hunt now that runs good routes and makes contested catches.

I certainly am not paid or hired to know the solution, I’m simply pointing out what we all know: this team has been very undisciplined and it’s cost us big time. In terms of what I’d do? Well, I’d start by consulting veteran coaches and instilling what they do/did (Maybe he has or hasn’t, I’m not sure). The other thing that’s important: it’s TOUGH to do that stuff now ... that seed has already been planted months ago. The classroom is already out of control; the teacher’s new approach won’t change much.

My bigger worry with him is the possibile negative impact on Landry.

I don't think he will drag him down, per se, Landry seems to be better than that and instead takes on the big brother role and tries to help OBJ, but is there a tipping point? Is there a point where Landry just stops trying to help OBJ? Probably not because that hurts the team, but is there a point where Landry gets in his face and tells him to get his crap together?

If I had the answer I'd be a millionaire coach. I just know good coaches create some kind of culture within their team that gets people to do the right things and make the right decisions and be accountable. Blame the players if you like, but I have seen this time and again, where the players were blamed for everything and a new (good) coach comes in and everything changes. Bob Stoops took an OU team in 1999 that it was said was no good and turned them into national champs in two years, with the same players!!!

That being said Kitchens is slowing improving, he just started at the bottom of the barrel

Schobert deserves a Brinks truck of money and he's going to get it.

I have been critical of the D and Joe S, but they played well. I am concerned tho that Mason and the Steeler offense is just that bad lol.

Offense started out good, moving the ball, but we completed abandoned the run at first. We didn't start running the ball until after Pitts scored the TD, when Freddie had a wake up call as in "oh crap, they might come back on us" and then he was playing not to lose.

Ya. U being able to instill discipline is all that sets u apart from being a millionaire coach .... ....

Oh ... so U and 4-Life have nothing other than a bunch of BS ....

Freddie ran them during TC for every penalty they committed .... 4 life he consulted the tuna a few weeks ago ... he told the tuna he stopped running them to save their legs ... Tuna said what are u saving them for your not sinning now ... *LOL* .... so he started running them again a few weeks ago ... don’t know if he still is ...

This lack of discipline is not on Freddie ... u guys are just frustrated menZas ... at least u are 4life ... not sure what bakes minion is even doing here pretending he’s a dawg ... hes a baker fan, a temporary browns fan ... We’ll be here long after bake ad his minion are gone ...

In regards to Higgs ...


RASHARD HIGGINS
WR, CLEVELAND BROWNS

Rashard Higgins wasn't targeted in the Browns' Week 11 win over the Steelers.
Although he's now the Browns' unquestioned No. 3 receiver following the release of Antonio Callaway, Higgins was on the field for just 28-of-70 snaps. The Browns were featuring lots of two-tight end sets. Higgins got upstaged by No. 4 wideout KhaDarel Hodge, who caught a 41-yard pass. It just isn't happening for Higgins this year, who can't even be trusted as a WR5 in PPR leagues.

Nov 15, 2019, 1:01 AM ET

He’s definetly not been a positive influence on VG ... VG wearing those shoes was him sticking up for his bud ....

Someone mentioned to me a week or so ago that they wondered if VG had taken a back seat in leadership since OBJ arrived .... i wonder that also ... i think VG as been asserting himself a little more the last few weeks ....

I just wish OBJ would start playing better ... with MG gone for who knows how long combined with our other injuries on D the O’s gonna be our best shot of winning from here on out and i have zero faith in that unit ...

Diam, I hadn’t heard that about Tuna so thanks for sharing.

I mean, I don’t think it’s BS to say consult other experts.

Curious, what is a legitimate reason to become a fan of a team? What is your pure motive for being a Browns fan? Family team, so birthright? Oh thats a very holy motive. Guess what I'm here, I'm not going away, and I believe a better Brown fan than you. Go Browns!

I’m all about consulting experts .... its hard enough to make good decisions ... the more info u have from knowledgeable folks the better chances u have of making a good decision ...

Dude .. this isn’t splitting atoms or rocket science ... u have three choices ...

1. U punish them ...
2. U bench them or sit them out some plays ...
3. Do nothing ...

There’s no magic wand ,... how long u gonna bench one of our OLman for a false start ... and who are u hurting if u do that? ...

Freddie has many many faults ... blaming him for this is hogwash!!!

There’s many reasons to become a fan of a team ...

The fact u think your a better browns fan than I am is hilarious on many levels .... all i know is I’ve been one for a lot longer than u ... that don’t make me better or worse as far as I’m concerned ... WHY i became one as opposed to why u became one .... different story ...

You’ll NEVER EVER EVER LOVE THE BROWNS the way i do .... just like if i became a boomer sooner tomorrow i would NEVER EVER EVER LOVE THE THE WAY U DO ...

SORRY FOR TAKING THE THREAD OFF COURSE DC ... I’ll leave it be and hope it gets back on track ...

Later 4-life ... later bake ...

I'll agree to disagree. I feel strongly if we had BB at coach the same players would behave very differently. Fact is though we don't have BB so I hope FK improves and I think he slowly is. Funny I'm lumped with the FK bashers, I feel I'm one of the few on the board that is not blaming absolutely everything on him.

Yeah, i got ya ... we’re on the same page with the courses of action .. see ya bud

I don't own a Browns jersey.

But if the Browns resign Schobert I will get his.

I have watched him since he became a Brown and have come to really admire his play.

To start he is the captain of the defense. He heads the defensive alignment. He is the communicator of the defense.

He has excellent instincts. Rarely out of position. Plays the pass and the run very well. He is not the classic big hitter. He just gets it done. And he is consistent.

His press conferences are straight forward. He is a pure team guy.

I am a big fan of Joe Schobert.

I am not a big fan of Schobert and had to eat crow after that game he had last night ..lol

They need to extend Schobert.

Overstating the obvious?



You forgot to add the most important part of your sentence...... "As long as Baker's here"

I agree, at least because he’s a smart/positive/reliable influence ... and he’s had good games obviously

ughh, why did this guy have make me like you, pitt

Perfect responses

It's a rough job but somebody had to make you do it.

Awesome clips and commentary!

Wake me up when ANY QB from his draft class can play QB like that.

Enjoy your echo chamber. Glad you two are proud of you’re efforts to run off fans of mine and supposedly your team. Luckily I don’t need your or anyone else’s permission to be a Browns fan.

Agreed, awesome break down.

I'm crying actual tears for you right now...

j/c:

Don't want to derail things and mention the game, but here goes.

Another great job by Wilks. The D owned their part of the game. Nice to see.

I think the tackling has been much better these past two games. Coincidentally, the first two without Whitehead - the pinball wizard.

No turnovers, again. 4 takeaways, really nice.

The punt coverage did the Hammer no favors. He dropped three in nice and deep. Twice the guys down there couldn't find it and it went into the end zone. The other time the one who downed it came in from out of bounds, so ruled a touch back. Know the rules. Two other guys down there to down it, let them do it.

They showed a graphic that if the playoffs would have started before the Thursday game, the wild card teams would have been Buffalo and Pitt. While the playoffs are a loooooong shot, if we are going we are going as a wild card. Right now Buff and Pitt are the targets. Right now, we own the head-to-head tiebreaker with both.

Pitt and I...we don't normally see eye to eye.

But ill be danged if some college jockey is going come on to OUR board, and profess hes a better fan of a team that we have been watching for 20+ years stink year in and year out no matter what.

What you don't get, once Baker is gone (retires, traded, cut, whatever the case) you will go on your marry way. We will still be here.

Fans are fans of the name on the front of the jersey, not the back.

Glorified wannabes only care about the name on the back.

If you're that thin skinned you need to find a different pass time than the internet.

Yes the buffalo tiebreaker may be huge! Hopefully the Titans tank as they would have the edge on us.

I want to hear a BaldyBreakdown on the fight last night, lol!

We dominated in everything except the final score. Freddie's offense still stinks. Freddie the HC still looks lost and out of his depth.

They like us...they really like us:

https://deadline.com/2019/11/myles-garre...don-1202787177/

Snagging a 3.4 rating among adults 18-49 and an audience of just over 12 million, last night’s TNF wasn’t quite a season high, but it was close in more ways than one.
Surging 30% in the key demo over last week’s 26-24 West coast showdown between the Oakland Raiders and the winning Los Angeles Chargers, last night’s game was up 28% in viewers in the fast affiliates. That Raiders-Chargers game November 7 game ended up with a 3.9 rating and 13.5 million viewers in the final numbers – a result last night’s primetime-topping TNF is sure to beat.
Fast affiliates to fast affiliates, last night’s TNF is even with the comparable game of last year, when the Seattle Seahawks took down the Green Bay Packers 27-24. However, that November 15, 2018 matchup was down about 3% in total sets of eyeballs from last night’s game before being adjusted up to a 5.0 in the demo and 17 million viewers – which is what we could see today.

It is pretty evident that OBJ and Baker have not put in the time to understand how to play as a team.

This. I don't get to see many games, I only have an antenna and I live in Indiana, but last night's game was on locally.

In my opinion Schobert was the most positive thing about the game for the Browns. I think many fans underrate him. Extending him should be a priority from what I can tell.

Overall, I'm pleased with the way they played...

In my opinion, it wasn't Baker that was the big difference in stepping up into the pocket and escaping the rush when needed. The difference was the oline. In almost every other game, the interior of the line is being blown back into Baker's lap, taking away any escape lanes and creating a very small pocket for our shorter QB.

Could be it was a matchup thing where Pittsburgh's defensive linemen are not as difficult to matchup against or maybe it was the move from Kush to Teller. Lets hope it is the latter.

Protection on the edges still left a lot to be desired, but at least Baker had a way out this time around.

Ok, 4, I watched that series of downs again. What exactly was “bad” about those plays? Unless a play is “bad” because it is not successful in which case every play caller calls a lot of bad plays.

The thing that has really bothered me this year is that the Browns always seem to be snapping the ball under 5 seconds. To me that suggests different offensive terminology, or players that don’t understand.

The offense is a shadow of last years. Frankly the pass stinks this year.

I feel our Browns should be on national tv every week. With all the bizarre plays, turnovers, and play calling it's not just a football game anymore but an adventure that now has turned into a soap opera. We should allow the rest of the country to see what we've had to put up with week after week for God knows how long.

at least I got to see the Browns beat the steelers once. For some reason what happens the rest of the year or next year doesn't matter.

Here we go.....suck it, Steelers....

I love this team!

#freemylesgarrett

I feel like the game in 2 weeks will be the most viewed game in the history of the nfl. Because you know there will be a murder or 5.

Also, I didnt know about the yawning thing until this.

Tomlin is sad scum. How you like us now?

Where are the critics for Tomlin's bad behavior???
What would people say if Freddie did that???

Cleveland Browns: Terry’s Talkin’ what was lost in Myles Garrett fight, suspension

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/11...suspension.html

By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer
CAN WE TALK?

After the Browns 21-7 victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers on Thursday night, Freddie Kitchens was furious.

Until Myles Garrett engaged in an ugly brawl with eight seconds left in the game, the Browns rookie head coach finally had a lot to celebrate.

Browns fans know the rest of the story. Garrett has been suspended for at least the rest of the season for ripping the helmet off Pittsburgh quarterback Mason Rudolph and using it to hit Rudolph in the head.

There were other suspensions announced by the NFL, including a one-gamer to Browns defensive lineman Larry Ogunjobi.

Suppose the fight didn’t happen. Suppose the Browns could have found a way to simply leave the field with class and enjoy a Cleveland team beating the Steelers for the first time since 2014.

I’ve written a lot about the Garrett incident and what it means to the Browns organization.

Let’s take a moment and look at what happened in the game:

1. Perhaps the ultimate Cleveland Brown in terms of football character is Nick Chubb. He carried the ball 27 times for 92 rugged yards against Pittsburgh’s determined defense. The quiet man from Georgia now has 1,011 rush yards in 10 games... an average of 101 per game. That’s big time.

2. The Browns defense picked off four Rudolph passes. Joe Schobert had two of those interceptions. He also had seven tackles, five “stops” by Profootballfocus (PFF). A stop is when a player “stops” a play from developing. Schobert also had a sack.

3. Schobert is having a Pro Bowl caliber season. A fourth-round pick in 2016, the Browns believe this is his best year as a pro.

4. The Browns sacked Rudolph four times. The sacks were recorded by Chad Thomas, Ogunjobi, Juston Burris and Schobert. They also had seven other QB hits. Garrett had three of those. He threw the ball 44 times, and was “hurried” by the Browns defense on 23 of those throws, according to PFF.

5. Kareem Hunt has become a key part of the offense, especially catching passes out of the backfield. He has quickly developed a chemistry with Baker Mayfield. Hunt has 13 receptions in two games since coming off suspension.

6. Odell Beckham Jr. caught a terrific 42-yard pass from Mayfield on the first drive of the game. His other three receptions were only for 18 total yards. Beckham had another dropped pass, giving him a team-high six for the year.

7. Facing a defense that has forced the second-most turnovers in the NFL, Mayfield didn’t throw any interceptions. He was 17-of-32 passing for 193 yards. His poise was back. For the second game in a row, he threw a pair of TD passes.

8. The Browns offensive line allowed one sack. Mayfield was hit only twice. No offensive linemen had any penalties. No holding. No false starts. No personal fouls.

9. Cleveland.com’s Scott Patsko had this note: Mayfield is only the fifth Browns QB to win a game against the Steelers since 1999. The others are Tim Couch (3), Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden and Brian Hoyer.

10. Rashard Higgins played 28 snaps. Not a single pass was thrown in his direction. My guess is Hunt has taken the place of Higgins as Mayfield’s safety valve when pressured.

11. Rookie tight end Stephen Carlson (undrafted from Princeton) played 12 snaps. He caught an 8-yard TD pass, fighting off a Steeler defender in the back of the end zone.

12. The Browns defensive line likely will have only one opening day starter (tackle Sheldon Richardson) when they take the field for their next game on Nov. 24 vs. the Miami Dolphins. Garrett and Ogunjobi are suspended. Olivier Vernon has missed the last two games with a knee injury. No word when he will back. Kitchens said Vernon “is getting closer" but they "won’t know more until early next week.”

13. I’m guessing that means Chad Thomas and Chris Smith will start at defensive ends, unless Vernon recovers. Devaroe Lawrence will probably start at tackle next to Richardson. Garrett is gone for the season. Not sure when Vernon will be back. That’s two defensive ends who have made Pro Bowls.

14. With the injuries to the defensive line, I keep wishing the Browns hadn’t traded Genard Avery to the Philadelphia Eagles for a fourth-round draft pick in 2021.

15. Damarious Randall was ejected for a helmet-to-helmet hit vs. the Steelers. I thought it was justified. Randall has missed four games due to injuries. A year ago, he had four interceptions. He has none this season.

16. Kitchens mentioned the Browns are 2-0 in the AFC North and this is the first time the Browns have defeated Pittsburgh and the Baltimore Ravens in the same season. That’s why this 4-6 season has been frustrating. A few times, the Browns have shown they can be a good team.

17. A super decision: The Browns deciding to keep Jamie Gillan as punter has been a huge plus for the special teams. According to PFF, Gillan ranks No. 3 overall among punters, No. 2 in hang-time of punts, and No. 1 on returns (only 4.59 average).

18. The special teams under new coordinator Mike Priefer have been the most consistent part of the team. Rookie kicker Austin Seibert had not missed a field goal until being wide with two in the Pittsburgh game. It will be a challenge for him to handle the cold weather and wind. Just ask Phil Dawson.

19. Football Outsiders ranks the Browns special teams at No. 6 this season. That’s up from No. 30 a year ago. I’ve long believed good coaching and just an average front office commitment to special teams makes a huge difference. Give GM John Dorsey and Kitchens credit for improving that part of the game.

20. I will be signing copies of my new book, VINTAGE CAVS, and my BROWNS BLUES today (Nov. 17) from 3-4 p.m. at Learned Owl Books in downtown Hudson. I will be signing those books at Barnes & Noble Fairlawn on Thursday (Nov. 21) from 7-8 p.m.

Good point about our STs ... to move up to 6th in the NFL after last year deserves kudos

Now I know what OBJ was doing in the endzone and why.

#8...

Woah!

ikr?

Huge improvement. Earlier this season, CLE was giving up an entire football field in penalty yardage. It's next to impossible to win games with so much laundry on the field.

Who cares he picked Pittsburgh to beat us.

Penalty yardage is hard to use as an indicator.. based on the PI rules, you could have 1 penalty for 60 yards... does that make you undisciplined? but in # of penalties, the NFL average is 7.1 penalties per game so far this year (accepted penalties)... the Browns had 18 in week 1 and 13 against the Pats.. other than that, we have been at 8 or below every week....

So I see on the Monday Night halftime report that JuJu injured his knee as well as got knocked silly in our game. Certainly has ramifications in next Pittsburg game.

I hope Elves knock them around again in 2 weeks.
CLE has 20 years of getting punk'd to make up for.
Might as well keep this new trend going.

No doubt. The absolute best thing the Browns could do is go back out and beat them again with or without whoever they suspend... do it clean, do it methodically...

They might be beat up enough for the Bengals to beat them, too

A point that was lost in all the furor regarding the last minute fight: how depressed, defeated and demoralized PIT looked in the second half of that game. They looked as skull drug as CLE in previous games.

Once is not enough. Elves bring pain again.

I think we put a 3rd string guy in and send him flying at Mason right off the bat. Let him known well the 15 gladly to prove were not going to back down ANYMORE!

I agree with everything you have been saying. I hate to be looking forward, and hope the browns are not looking past Miami, but dang its going to be a long two weeks for the next game.

I get the furor about going after Mason. I hope we don't lose our focus. Go into Pittsburgh and basically repeat the last game. If cheapshots are going to creep into our gameplan, it better be at the very end of the game up multiple scores.

I have a feeling that the cheap shots will be coming from Pitt.

I wasn't meaning a cheap shot. I said a 3rd string guy right of the bat, because I think the refs are going to over officiate this game by X10000. I want to see what they do on a good clean HARD hit on Mason.

I think even on a good a hit, they are going to be throwing flags.

Oh no doubt the cheap shots will be flying. Any else notice that Freddie didn’t put Baker out there for the final kneel down? Gilbert was the sacrificial lamb. I also have no doubt that Tomlin would have sanctioned a cheap hit to take Baker out of the game if they were able to get one

I think both coaches will be warned by the league during the week, and reminded by the refs on gameday.

I think Freddie's message raised the level of toughness, swagger and attitude for the last game. The message was sent and received that we will not be the bullied. I don't think he'll backtrack now, and would not expect Tomlin to, by any stretch.

Remember the message Horton carried on his sleeve? "Legal violence". That will be the message from both coaches... probably with a wink at the end.

Go in there and silence the crowd quickly... So we can administer the proper a$$whoopin' with swagger, arrogance, and as much "legal violence" as we can muster.

Gameday is my birthday, I want it to go down as the day "everything changed".

And we need to maintain that mindset in the next meeting. Stay within the lines of the law, but bully the snot out of them again - send the message that it isn't a one-time thing. This is your new normal.

That's because the Steelers aren't used to being bullied, especially by the Browns.. probably why they didn't handle it very well.

See, I think both coaches are going to take the approach of reinforcing in their team to keep things above board.. it will be hard hitting for sure but both coaches know, and will have to warn their players, it will be called VERY TIGHT.

The game within the game is that both teams are going to be picking and antagonizing and trash talking the whole game, trying to get the other team to lose their cool. WE CANNOT BE THAT TEAM.

Didn't know where to ask this so I'll do it here. When James Harrison hit Terry Robiske and Mohammed Massaquoi I believe it was the same game. When he hit Colt McCoy was that the same game too or a different one? By the way, JH should be the last guy to criticize another player on a football field when it comes to illegal play. Seems like some guys can dish it out but not take it.

This could be where Jarvis really shines. I remember last year how much he was able to get under the skin of their DBs. I don’t think OBJ has been bad for the team, but he looks like he’s not a part of it. I really hope he takes a step back and buys in because this team has the opportunity to do something really special this year as long as all hands are on deck.

We need a big turnover over or two early AND to capitalize on it and I think we can beat the Steelers before halftime.

I don't remember which games they were. Couldn't have been too far apart, most of our players were only here long enough to play the Steelers 2 or 3 times.

It has been funny watching who falls on which side of the Myles debate... the guys who have been among the most vocal stating that Myles is a disgrace and should be banned are upstanding character guys like...

Steve Smith, who once cold cocked a teammate on the sidelines and broke his nose..

Michael Irvin, who once attacked a teammate in the locker room with a pair of scissors...

Vontaze Burfict, who has a fine and suspension list longer than your arm for dirty play...

Then some of the guys who are standing up for Myles and trying to provide some reason to the situation:

Terry Bradshaw
Rod Woodson
Michael Strahan
Nate Burleson

...Other than that, how was the play Mrs Lincoln?

[Coach Clem in locker room before game]: "You know they'll be trying to antagonize you. Knock the snot loose from their lockers and don't say a word. If they yell at you, just stare at them. If they say something about your family... smile. On the next snap, knock then snotless again. And again. And again. Make certain that you play hard, fast relentless and 'clean.' Every interaction with you should end in them picking themselves up off the turf. I promise you- if you do this for 30 full minutes, they will not want to take the field after halftime. Begin the 3rd quarter even harder, and you will break their spirits. It's time to sweep their bones off that trashass field in front of their families, friends and fans. No fkn mercy, men. No mercy. Now, get out there and show them what ownership looks like."

I'm ready to run through a brick wall for coach Clem.. LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sweep. The. Leg.

Pitt is used to beating us up butt good. We gave em a solid gut check, and were the bullies this time, they didn't like it, congrats this team has some fight to it

So harsh.
I love it.

So... I just dumped a post in another thread because I was re-watching my DVR of the game's final 2 minutes for a differnt purpose. As soon as I saw this, I aborted the other post, and decided to follow-up here, to keep with the theme that is already running.

Because it's on my TV and I can't post a screenshot, I'll do my best to describe what is frozen on the vidwall of my media room:

1:16 to game.
CLE 21/PIT 7.
1st & 10, PIT: from PIT 36.

NFL Spidercam angle: swings to P.O.V. behind PIT huddle. Paydirt is 40+ yards distant.

A Pop-up Graphic appears down the left side of screen: "Injury Update." as Troy Aikman explains how depleted PITs forces have been rendered during the ongoing game:

From top to bottom:

1. LB Olasunkanmi Adeniyi: CONCUSSION. OUT.
2. CB Artie Burns: KNEE. OUT.
3. RB James Conner: SHOULDER. OUT.
4. JuJu Smith-Schuster: CONCUSSION. OUT.
5. WR Diontae Johnson: CONCUSSION. OUT.

This made me smile.
Not because a fellow human being was suffering, but because Pittsburgh Steelers football players entered into contract to do battle with Cleveland Browns football players... and got they asses curb-stomped. In every phase of the game. On national TV.

I simply cannot stress this point enough: Elves need to 'James Harrison' (tf) outta anyone in their sights who wears the Pssnblk. And they need to do it at Heinz field. With no trace of empathy, ethics or restraint. They need to play this game like 53 Hanson Brothers for a 60 full minutes.

Freddie needs to compile a "Greatest Hits" compilation of PIT hits on hapless Browns, and use them as benchmarks that Browns are now motivated to exceed.

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That team (PIT) was battered, bruised, beaten and belittled last Thursday. They got their asses handed to them by a superior team- a superior team that beat them by 2 touchdowns, and left at least another 10-14 points on the field- because it has not yet realized its 2019 potential.

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I want this team to take MIA seriously. I want them to prepare like true professionals. Sweat the details, perfect the product- and lay total waste to marine mammals... while honing their details in preparation for the following contest. One win at a time. The schedule and post season are still/always the prime objective, but a larger picture is in play here.

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If CLE wants to establish a true culture change for their team, they must also commit to establishing a culture change within the entire AFCN. A movement like that happens one-on-one, position by position. Every single Browns player must buy in to the concept of beating all 3 of his divisional counterparts, with extreme prejudice... and commence to kickin' ass.

Sundays define who assumes 'Top Dawg' status.
Humiliate a mf in his own house... and you own him for his entire career. Imagine an entire generation of PIT players/fans who blink when they play CLE.

This season could be That Moment when everything changes.

Imagine the next 20 years if CLE can sweep both PIT and BAL in the same year.


just sayin'....

They need to play this game like 53 Hanson Brothers for a 60 full minutes.

Hanson Brothers?

Yessir. Good stuff Clem. For the first time in a few decades we are finally here:










Now let's set the tone for the next 20...