Eight former Browns are on the rosters of either the San Francisco 49ers or the Kansas City Chiefs. Six are expected to see some field time. Two are on the injured reserved list. Some of the names might be more familiar than others.
1. Raheem Mostert, RB- San Francisco
Raheem Mostert took over the offense and led the San Francisco 49ers to the NFL Championship Sunday. Cleveland was one of six teams who saw Mostert solely as a kick returner. They were the third team to sign him off waivers after Philadelphia drafted him in 2015. Cleveland signed him to a 2016 tender, but he was waived after final cut day in favor of new additions. He ran back 12 kickoffs for 309 yards in three games as a Brown. After stops with the Jets and Bears, Mostert finally signed with the 49ers late in 2016. Injuries gave him a chance to join the team’s committee of running backs. He performed too well for Kyle Shanahan to ignore him as the season went on. His 220 rushing yards are the third most in a championship game ever.
2. Emmanuel Ogbah, DE- Kansas City
Emmanuel Ogbah was a second-round draft pick of the Browns in 2016. He started 26 straight games, including all 16 games as a rookie. He fractured his foot in Week 11 of the 2017 season. After starting 14 games the following season, Ogbah was surprised to be traded to Kansas City. John Dorsey shipped him out for safety Eric Murray. Kansas City was getting the better of the deal before a torn pectoral ended Ogbah’s season in Week 10. He already tied a career-high with 5.5 sacks and was on track for career bests in several other categories. Ogbah is a free agent this season likely to seek more money that fits under the Chiefs’ cap.
3. K’waun Williams, DB- San Francisco
Signed as an undrafted free agent in 2014, K’waun Williams started the season as the backup nickel behind Buster Skrines. When Skrines was moved outside in a lineup shuffle, Williams became the starting nickel back. He remained a solid performer in that role throughout Mike Pettine’s tenure. But he kicked off his time with Hue Jackson on a bad note. Williams opted out of the team’s first preseason game due to an ankle injury. The Browns medical staff did not think his injury was serious. The team suspended him for two games, prompting Williams to get a second opinion. To make a long story short, he needed surgery, the team cut him, he had the surgery. When he was cleared to play in 2017, San Francisco won out over six teams competing for his services. Williams now provides solid nickel play for the NFC champions.
4. Mitchell Schwartz, RT- Kansas City
Mitchell Schwartz was a second-round draft pick for Cleveland in 2012. He played every snap at right tackle for the Browns his rookie season. In fact, he played every snap in his first four seasons. For three of those seasons, Schwartz was a first- or second-team Pro Bowler. Cleveland inexplicably let him walk in free agency after his rookie deal expired. Late this season, he missed the first snaps of his career. An ankle twist took three snaps to tape up. He is now at 122 consecutive starts, the third-highest active streak among all positions in the NFL. If he was not in the Super Bowl, he would play in his seventh Pro Bowl this week.
5. Shon Coleman, OT- San Francisco
Scouts tabbed Shon Coleman as a potential late-first or second-round draft pick in 2016. Cleveland picked him up in the third round after a knee injury prevented him from attending the combines. As a rookie, Williams backed up Austin Pasztor. But he started all 16 games in 2017. His performance didn’t impress John Dorsey enough to keep him from trading Williams to San Francisco. With all the draft picks and players traded that offseason, it is hard to keep track. But the 7th rounder Dorsey received from the 49ers is either one-third of Greedy Williams or one-half of Mack Wilson. Coleman was inactive for all 16 games in 2018. He was expected to make the 49ers roster as a backup again before a gruesome preseason ankle injury put him on injured reserve.
6. Austin Reiter, C- Kansas City
Austin Reiter was Washington’s seventh-round pick in the 2015 draft. Cleveland signed him off the Redskins’ practice squad the following season. Reiter made his first NFL start with the Browns in October of that season. In that game, Reiter tore an ACL, ending his season. He was largely limited to special teams in 2017, seeing only 8 offensive snaps. When the Browns released him, Reiter signed with the Chiefs. He is the only offensive lineman besides Schwartz to play in every game this season for Kansas City.
7. Anthony Zettel, DE- San Francisco
Anthony Zettel might be the most fortunate player on this list. Zettel was drafted by the Detroit Lions in the sixth round of the 2016 draft. He served as a backup and practice squad played for two seasons. Cleveland signed him off waivers early in the 2018 season. He played in parts of 13 games for the Browns. He was the final cut in 2019 and was quickly signed by the Bengals. On December 12, the Bengals cut Zettel. Looking for some depth at defensive end, the San Francisco 49ers signed Zettel the day before Christmas Eve. After making one tackle in his limited role Sunday, Zettel is packing for Miami and the Super Bowl.
8. Cameron Erving, OL- Kansas City
Cam Erving was the 19th overall pick of the 2015 NFL draft. He never got on track in his two years with the Browns. It didn’t help that the team changed his position a few times. Before the 2017 season, Cleveland traded Erving for Kansas City’s 2018 fifth-round draft pick. He became a rotational backup. Kansas City declined his fifth-year option but re-signed him to a two-year deal. He played a key part in covering injuries in 2019, including eight starts for LT Eric Fisher. He’ll see some snaps against the 49ers in Miami.
At Least Browns Fans Aren’t Alone
In this day of free agency and salary caps, few players make it to the Super Bowl with the team that drafted them. Mostert is on his seventh team. Dolphins fans are watching Damien Williams be exactly who they thought they drafted. There are dozens of others.
Browns fans need to keep the faith. Someday, other writers will talk about their former players playing in the big one for Cleveland.
Eight former Browns are on the rosters of either the San Francisco 49ers or the Kansas City Chiefs. Six are expected to see some field time. Two are on the injured reserved list. Some of the names might be more familiar than others.
1. Raheem Mostert, RB- San Francisco
Raheem Mostert took over the offense and led the San Francisco 49ers to the NFL Championship Sunday. Cleveland was one of six teams who saw Mostert solely as a kick returner. They were the third team to sign him off waivers after Philadelphia drafted him in 2015. Cleveland signed him to a 2016 tender, but he was waived after final cut day in favor of new additions. He ran back 12 kickoffs for 309 yards in three games as a Brown. After stops with the Jets and Bears, Mostert finally signed with the 49ers late in 2016. Injuries gave him a chance to join the team’s committee of running backs. He performed too well for Kyle Shanahan to ignore him as the season went on. His 220 rushing yards are the third most in a championship game ever.
2. Emmanuel Ogbah, DE- Kansas City
Emmanuel Ogbah was a second-round draft pick of the Browns in 2016. He started 26 straight games, including all 16 games as a rookie. He fractured his foot in Week 11 of the 2017 season. After starting 14 games the following season, Ogbah was surprised to be traded to Kansas City. John Dorsey shipped him out for safety Eric Murray. Kansas City was getting the better of the deal before a torn pectoral ended Ogbah’s season in Week 10. He already tied a career-high with 5.5 sacks and was on track for career bests in several other categories. Ogbah is a free agent this season likely to seek more money that fits under the Chiefs’ cap.
3. K’waun Williams, DB- San Francisco
Signed as an undrafted free agent in 2014, K’waun Williams started the season as the backup nickel behind Buster Skrines. When Skrines was moved outside in a lineup shuffle, Williams became the starting nickel back. He remained a solid performer in that role throughout Mike Pettine’s tenure. But he kicked off his time with Hue Jackson on a bad note. Williams opted out of the team’s first preseason game due to an ankle injury. The Browns medical staff did not think his injury was serious. The team suspended him for two games, prompting Williams to get a second opinion. To make a long story short, he needed surgery, the team cut him, he had the surgery. When he was cleared to play in 2017, San Francisco won out over six teams competing for his services. Williams now provides solid nickel play for the NFC champions.
4. Mitchell Schwartz, RT- Kansas City
Mitchell Schwartz was a second-round draft pick for Cleveland in 2012. He played every snap at right tackle for the Browns his rookie season. In fact, he played every snap in his first four seasons. For three of those seasons, Schwartz was a first- or second-team Pro Bowler. Cleveland inexplicably let him walk in free agency after his rookie deal expired. Late this season, he missed the first snaps of his career. An ankle twist took three snaps to tape up. He is now at 122 consecutive starts, the third-highest active streak among all positions in the NFL. If he was not in the Super Bowl, he would play in his seventh Pro Bowl this week.
5. Shon Coleman, OT- San Francisco
Scouts tabbed Shon Coleman as a potential late-first or second-round draft pick in 2016. Cleveland picked him up in the third round after a knee injury prevented him from attending the combines. As a rookie, Williams backed up Austin Pasztor. But he started all 16 games in 2017. His performance didn’t impress John Dorsey enough to keep him from trading Williams to San Francisco. With all the draft picks and players traded that offseason, it is hard to keep track. But the 7th rounder Dorsey received from the 49ers is either one-third of Greedy Williams or one-half of Mack Wilson. Coleman was inactive for all 16 games in 2018. He was expected to make the 49ers roster as a backup again before a gruesome preseason ankle injury put him on injured reserve.
6. Austin Reiter, C- Kansas City
Austin Reiter was Washington’s seventh-round pick in the 2015 draft. Cleveland signed him off the Redskins’ practice squad the following season. Reiter made his first NFL start with the Browns in October of that season. In that game, Reiter tore an ACL, ending his season. He was largely limited to special teams in 2017, seeing only 8 offensive snaps. When the Browns released him, Reiter signed with the Chiefs. He is the only offensive lineman besides Schwartz to play in every game this season for Kansas City.
7. Anthony Zettel, DE- San Francisco
Anthony Zettel might be the most fortunate player on this list. Zettel was drafted by the Detroit Lions in the sixth round of the 2016 draft. He served as a backup and practice squad played for two seasons. Cleveland signed him off waivers early in the 2018 season. He played in parts of 13 games for the Browns. He was the final cut in 2019 and was quickly signed by the Bengals. On December 12, the Bengals cut Zettel. Looking for some depth at defensive end, the San Francisco 49ers signed Zettel the day before Christmas Eve. After making one tackle in his limited role Sunday, Zettel is packing for Miami and the Super Bowl.
8. Cameron Erving, OL- Kansas City
Cam Erving was the 19th overall pick of the 2015 NFL draft. He never got on track in his two years with the Browns. It didn’t help that the team changed his position a few times. Before the 2017 season, Cleveland traded Erving for Kansas City’s 2018 fifth-round draft pick. He became a rotational backup. Kansas City declined his fifth-year option but re-signed him to a two-year deal. He played a key part in covering injuries in 2019, including eight starts for LT Eric Fisher. He’ll see some snaps against the 49ers in Miami.
At Least Browns Fans Aren’t Alone
In this day of free agency and salary caps, few players make it to the Super Bowl with the team that drafted them. Mostert is on his seventh team. Dolphins fans are watching Damien Williams be exactly who they thought they drafted. There are dozens of others.
Browns fans need to keep the faith. Someday, other writers will talk about their former players playing in the big one for Cleveland.
They mentioned Buster Skrine, but didn't give him his own paragraph.
I feel like the 9ers have it. They're too well-rounded and balanced of a team. They'll go up early and then their D will eat Mahommes alive when he's trying to throw them back into the game.
As for my heart, I really don't care, which is actually kind of nice. I've heard that there are 9ers fans coming out of the woodwork everywhere which reminds me of "lifelong" GS fans when I swear there were maybe 100 before they started winning. I respect Shanny too much to make me want to root against them.
I feel like the 9ers have it. They're too well-rounded and balanced of a team. They'll go up early and then their D will eat Mahommes alive when he's trying to throw them back into the game.
I agree the Chefs can't afford to fall 2 or more scores behind SF ...
(bold added by me for emphasis, please at least read that. Then consider how the Browns have built the team and whether or not our best players exhibit that mentality.)
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Player attitudes make it easier for Kyle Shanahan to keep the team accountable Posted by Mike Florio on January 24, 2020, 11:48 PM EST
For as complicated as football can be, at its core it’s very simple. Blocking, hitting, tackling. And in an age of limited blocking, hitting, and tackling during practice, there’s a premium to be placed on players who can and will embrace blocking, hitting, and tackling during games.
The 49ers have players who can and will do the dirty work in games, without complaint. On Friday, coach Kyle Shanahan singled out both tight end George Kittle and cornerback Richard Sherman for praise in this regard.
“It starts, any time one of your best players, who everyone, I mean, he had more yards in the pass game as a tight end in the history of the NFL last year,” Shanahan said when asked about Kittle’s influence on the team’s run-heavy-of-late offense. “So, any time you have a guy like that who’s one of the best players on your team who’s always just talking about running the ball and playing the physicality in the game and giving everything you can, it helps you hold everyone else a lot more accountable, and rarely do you have to. When people are watching guys like that do that type of stuff, when they watch guys like Sherm play the run and things like that, it makes your job a lot more easier. When your best guys are doing it, everyone else really doesn’t have much of a choice.”
The dynamic underscores the value of not collecting players but building a team. Every NFL team needs high-quality players who will do what is expected without being told it’s expected. It then becomes expected that other players will do the same. In Kittle, the 49ers particularly found a guy who has a love for the nitty-gritty details of the sport.
“It’s more just the beat of my own drum,” Kittle told reporters on Friday. “If you put in the dirty work and do what you’re asked on every single play whether it’s pass or run, the rest takes care of itself. Whether it’s yards, catches, touchdowns, whatever it is, if you just do what you’re supposed to do, you’re eventually going to get the ball and it will take care of itself.”
Sherman has added value, thanks to his experience on championship teams.
“He’s helped us the most by how he’s played,” Shanahan said of Sherman, “but also having a guy that’s been there and done that, especially having a young team, and when you have a guy who guys have grown up watching a little bit, especially over these last seven years, and being in big games like this and even starting out the year 8-0, going through that and having guys who have been through that and kind of been at the top of the league halfway through and being able to rely on some players who can help echo how tough it’s going to be to keep that going. Any time you have guys with experience who have been through it who are also one of your better players, it helps a ton.”
Kittle and Sherman are two of the reasons why the 49ers are back in the Super Bowl, and as long as they’re on the team they’ll influence teammates to behave the same way, inspiring more leaders and creating a culture of self-starters who allow Shanahan and the coaching staff to focus on things other than getting the players in the right frame of mind to do their jobs.
And if a franchise can pull that off over a long enough period of time, it becomes the Patriots.
Chiefs philosophy isn't to stop you, but to outscore you, especially on the offensive side of the ball.
49ers philosophy is to stop you and to score both offensively and defensively.
Defense wins championships. My head believes SF are the more balanced team who will create nightmare for Mahomes. My heart wants KC to win for the first time in 50 years for their great fan base and for Andy Reid.
I believe it will come down to line play and SF is more physical on both sides of the ball. I don't think KC has seen a D like this and SF will put a lot of pressure on Mahomes. SF can do it with just their front 4 which will leave more guys for coverage. On O I feel SF will be able to run the ball on KC although not as easy as they did on GB. JMO
I think the Chiefs will probably win this, but I really don't care much what team does, I am taking a vacation day from work and really just want a close, competitive game.
True ... same could be said of the pass rushers the interior of the KC line will be facing ... they ain’t never seen interior DLman than can get after it like the Niners DLman do ...
I haven’t looked forward to a SB in a long time ... can’t wait for this one ...
I see that there are some hoping to change the Super Bowl to Saturday .. that would be ideal, unless they do move it to the Sunday before President’s Day
I think it'll be a good game as well. This year it seems like the two best, most deserving teams are in it. They were among the best in the regular season and have taken it to the next level in the playoffs.
The Chiefs did go down 24-0 against the Texans. They turned that around and made it a blowout the other way... that is impressive to me.
I remember when we played them during the regular season and I thought holy crap this team is good. I was just kind of amazed by how disciplined and well executed they did everything, every play. They looked unstoppable.
I think the Chiefs keep it rolling. I could even see the 49ers fallIng apart like the Ravens. I thought they would have a game like that during the regular season and didn’t.
Garrapolo is much more likely to choke than Mahomes.
The coolest thing is that both organizations [SF and KC] were built by shunning football guys and giving all the power to the analytics department. This proves the Browns "get it" and are in good hands w/the "smart" guys.
What could tilt this game is the SF running game and clock absorption. If they can eat clock on long scoring drives it could be the formula to win the game.
I just think back to the way the Niners just brutalized the Pack. It was almost abusive.
Garoppolo threw for 77 yards. 77! In the entire game! The Niners run game just demolished the Pack's defense, and the Packers couldn't run or pass effectively until the game was over.
The only way I see for the Chiefs to win this thing is to somehow negate the Niners defensive speed, and to not turn the ball over.
I think the key is going to wind up being the strength of the Niners' OL and DL.
I like both teams. When I informed my family I was no longer rooting for the Browns while the current guys are in charge, they asked me who I would be rooting for. SF was my choice for the NFC and KC for the AFC. I'm not emotionally invested like I was w/the Browns, but I like both teams.
SF because of Shanny [who I loved while he was here] and Jimmy G [who I was hoping we would trade for.] I have always liked KC dating back to the days of Otis Taylor, Len Dawson, Curly Culp, etc and moving forward to when Marty went there. He was my favorite Brown's coach ever!
I'm pulling for SF. They are going to have to keep the ball away from KC's offense. Limit the number of possessions. They will also have to generate a ton of pressure w/their front four while double teaming both Kelce and Hill. If they can do all three things, they will win. Of course, that is easier said than done.
As seemingly happens most times, we find ourselves on opposite sides of the ledger. Although I do not dislike the 49'ers, I hope Andy comes out on top...
I’m in an NFL playoff pool with 11 others who each put in $10. Not a big payout but I want the money, plus the title.
We drew from a hat to see who picked where, and I drew the second pick, and took KC. The guy who picked first chose Baltimore ( thank you titans).
So I’m rooting for KC but I like both teams. It will be interesting to watch the KC offence against 49ers D. Hope it’s a good game.. I hope shakira shakes and bakes at half time.
I just think back to the way the Niners just brutalized the Pack. It was almost abusive.
Garoppolo threw for 77 yards. 77! In the entire game! The Niners run game just demolished the Pack's defense, and the Packers couldn't run or pass effectively until the game was over.
The only way I see for the Chiefs to win this thing is to somehow negate the Niners defensive speed, and to not turn the ball over.
I think the key is going to wind up being the strength of the Niners' OL and DL.
I think the Niners win by 13 or more.
I think Mahommes CAN negate the 49er's defensive speed. Like Rogers, he can make plays out of nothing.... but he can do it much more quickly. Rogers buys time by maneuvering in the pocket waiting for someone to get open, and the niner's just collapsed that pocket so quickly. Mahommes has wheels and can run from danger...and can throw on the run like no one I've ever seen. KC has also proven they can climb out of a hole against good teams. Unless someone gets a case of the nerves, I think it will be a close game.
The media is so dense! You know the best thing about Super Bowl Commericals? Watching them days before the game on the local news so you can react with the anchor person telling you what to think. Ain't being told what to admire grand? bleh!
Which reminds me, I dislike almost everything about the Super Bowl except the game itself. The stupid and over the top commercials, the halftime shows that are obviously meant to appeal to non-football fans (the NFL takes actual football fans for granted because they know we are going to watch anyway), all the hype, drama, etc. I just want to watch the game.
Winner: KC (-120) Total Points: Over 54.5 (-110) Parlay: KC wins and Over 54.5 (+243) Will total combined points be odd or even: Even (-105) First TD Scored: Sammy Watkins (+1800) First TD Scored: George Kittle (+1000) First TD Scored: Mecole Hardman (+2500) First TD Scored: Deebo Samuel (+1200) First TD Scored: Travis Kelce (+850) First Score Method: Field Goal (+135) Halftime Show "Will any of the Fly Girls make an appearance": Yes (+425) Time remaining after first score: 5:30-5:49 (+2500) Time Remaining after first score: 9:30-9:59 (+1000) Will there be a roughing the passer call: Yes (+105) Will there be offsetting penalties called: Yes (+150) Result of first coach's challenge: Play Stands (-110) Color of Gatorade poured on game winning coach: Lime/Green/Yellow (+320) Color of Gatorade poured on game winning coach: Orange (+450)
The media is so dense! You know the best thing about Super Bowl Commericals? Watching them days before the game on the local news so you can react with the anchor person telling you what to think. Ain't being told what to admire grand? bleh!
Unfortunately the only thing we can talk about regarding the SB are the commercials and not our team playing in it.
Ive generally just rooted against Pittsburgh and Baltimore when they’ve been in the super bowl, but even if they aren’t a “favorite” team emerges for me for one reason or another. This year I just am very neutral
Might have to try to find some bargain guys coming back from injury in free agency. Hadn't Breeland been failed on a physical by some team in FA at one point?
My wife, from Missouri, has cussed more in the last SF drive, than I’ve heard from her in the last 20 years.
Tell here not to get her hopes up.
blocking and tackling, running vs trying to figure out what will work on offense.
So far, 49ers are dominating this game, imo.
And, yet, it's a tie game.
Yes, but there's a thing called the eye test and knowing what ... ... we are watching, nobody pretend that most folks on this board have not watched Thousands of football games in their lifetimes.
I already said in the previous post what it looks like.
Like Throw Long said Temptaion the bible says "all thats in the world is the lust of the flesh the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, they are not of the father but they are of the world."
Like Throw Long said Temptaion the bible says "all thats in the world is the lust of the flesh the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, they are not of the father but they are of the world."
wish you applied that to the vulgar president you support. dont be fake bro.
Hilarious, (that politics during the SB), it's about policies and imposed actions that affect the hundreds of millions of americans lives, that you would see who the real bad guys are in politics, but you bring up personal sins, for one, which aren't a persons (mine) right to judge, as each is accountable to God in judgement day, and 2nd the individual effect of grabbing a lady and talking about it on a bus 20 years ago could/would be a local crime thing at worst and individually isolated effect, (completely compartmentalized) away from how one groups policies -(freedom, right, individual accountability, the constitution, liberty, justice, doing the right thing. Vs. the other sides, all their actions are to govern against the will of the people, take power at all costs in an attempt to totalitarianize government interference in every decision of daily life; which the end effects are documented through history. I wish your side, would see the light, nothing fake here.
Back to watching the Super Bowl.
The Chiefs are still trying mis-direction comebacks to get things that work, while the 9ers are still straight forward attacking,
I still figure the 9er defense is giving the Chiefs more to overcome than the Chiefs defense is giving the 9ers to overcome.
Or he tweaked something on one of the earlier hits. He hasn't shown his usual zip on throws. Some of it could be him just trying to show touch, but I'm wondering about it.
Not enough to overturn . I think if he was ruled out and short on the field that call would have stood too
No way, there was no way on replay you could spot that ball without, (honestly spot that ball) without half of it, (the nose of it) being over the white of the goal line, which equals a TD.
...So that's why George RR Martin was waiting so long to write the next Game of Thrones book. Had to give Westeros time to develop an electric car for Arya.
Garrapolo is so overrated. Dude looks like Charlie Frye our there lol
First you hated on Mahomes and then Garrapolo. Then you congratulated the 49ers. You have to be the most reactionary sports fan on this board.
Great game!
And he deserved it. He was playing horrible. I’ve never liked garrapolo ..not even sure why I’m responding to someone I don’t even know but oh well. Oh and btw the congrats to 49ers was for having a top notch defense
Really good SB. I counted KC out too early but they managed to pulled it off. They were my pick to win and I was rootin' for them, but mostly I just really wanted to see a competitive game and that's what we got. Congrats KC!
Also, I am really super happy for Mahommes. I always disliked him because I felt a competition and Baker needed to be the best, in my mind.
And now I realize that Baker is on his own timeline. And this year is/was Mahommes timeline. I feel happy that the young QB got his win and it's not yet another year with lame ass Pats winning.
Great game. Man, the Chiefs can really turn it on and score in bunches. I thought SF should have run it when it was 2nd and 5 and they were up 20-17 with like 5 mins left. It was their bread and butter all year.
But the play of the game was the 3rd and 15 completion.
Kyle Shanahan seems to be catching a lot of grief for "choking". Critics are bringing up the 28-3 lead that the Falcons blew vs the Patriots when Shanahan was OC there, as if it was his offense that blew that lead.
But I have yet to read a word criticizing DC Robert Saleh, whose defense gave up 21 4th quarter points on drives of 83, 65, and 42 yards.
Kyle Shanahan seems to be catching a lot of grief for "choking". Critics are bringing up the 28-3 lead that the Falcons blew vs the Patriots when Shanahan was OC there, as if it was his offense that blew that lead.
But I have yet to read a word criticizing DC Robert Saleh, whose defense gave up 21 4th quarter points on drives of 83, 65, and 42 yards.
I think Kyle does get some blame for the Falcons collapse. He was the one calling all those passing plays that stopped the clock and put them in a position to get sacked (one leading to a turnover and the other pushing them out of FG range). The 28-3 chokejob wasn't all on him, but he had a hand in it. As for last night, anytime you have a double digit lead in the 4th quarter of the SB, you're supposed to win and if you don't, that's a choke. So yeah, Kyle has part and full ownership on two of the worst chokejobs in SB history. Sorry to say, that's on him and it may haunt his memories (unless he can win one going forward).
IMO, Saleh was holding up the damn as long as possible. He did a fantastic job keeping Mahomes quiet for 3+ quarters. Sure, three TDs is bad, but I don't really blame him for the 3rd one. They had to sell out on a up-the-gut run but the RB made a great cut and broke it. Those plays are either a tackle for loss or huge gainer, tough position to be in. If the 49ers offense didn't go ice cold in the 4th, he might have been okay.
I don't like being the guy that blames the refs, but damn, the 49ers should have kept the ball before the Chiefs 2nd TD in the 4th. That was a no-call helmet-to-helmet hit on JimmyG on 3rd down and the 4th down play should have never been run because the play clock ran out AND JimmyG had a false start. Those were blatant missed calls. I admit, the missed delay of game/false start would have only made the job harder, making it 4th and 15, but we'll never know if the outcome of the game changes.
My buddy and I were saying that it looked like JimmyG didn't want any part of the last two drives, like the moment was too big. On the 2nd to last drive, maybe they were conservative on purpose because they figured their D would pull through, so they didn't have to push too hard. On the last drive, He did have a few decent throws, but near midfield he almost got picked off, missed that long bomb and didn't get a throw off on 4th down. That was bad.
The long bomb was the difference between winning and losing for the 9ers. Primetime players make that throw. It was there for the taking. Jimmy G isn't a primetime player. He didn't play his best when it mattered the most. His team carried him and protected him the entire season. He wasn't ready for a drive of that magnitude.
Yeah, the commercials this year were really, really, really bad. No creativity, no ingenuity. The only company that came through was Jeep.
I didn't think they were that bad. Loved the halftime show. looking forward to the day we can talk about the Browns actually playing in the SB and not just the freaking commercials.
Every year that I watch the Super Bowl I say the same thing. Wouldn't it be great if my Browns were playing and they won!! Well, I guess it's ok to dream
Every year that I watch the Super Bowl I say the same thing. Wouldn't it be great if my Browns were playing and they won!! Well, I guess it's ok to dream
I just hope the good Lord gives me enough time to be here for a Browns Super Bowl Win
That was pretty funny. They/we all do it. Just have to take it in stride.
Not to point out President Obama for any reason other than I thought this funny. He was addressing a function in honor of Memorial Day. He said something along the lines of him seeing many of the fallen heros in attendance.
I would have liked to see the aide who had to tell him.."Ahhh, Mr. President, Memorial Day honors those who died in their service to the nation, not those who were wounded."
Again. it's all good. As often as those people have a camera or whatnot on them, I am surprised there aren't more. It's not easy when everything you say is being recorded/reported.
Loved not coming here until now.. read some of the pregame stuff, read my page 5, which is the 49ers building the lead and everybody here predicting the Chiefs were done, then reading my page 7, announcing it's over and congratulating the Chiefs.
Great game, very entertaining, glad there was really no controversy to speak of from officials.
Enjoyed the halftime show.
Commercials were hit or miss, some were better than others but overall not bad.
Feel good for Andy Reid, the Chiefs, and the whole state of North Carolina.
In his 2 Superbowls, Shanahan has been outscored 46-0 in the 4th quarter and OT.
Oof. Not a good stat.
He’ll be wearing that for the rest of his life, unless he wins one.
I don't get why Shanahan gets to "wear" the 25 point deficit that the Falcons defense surrendered, when he was the OC for the offense that staked that team to a 28-3 lead?
I just generally don't like the choke label. Its overused and thrown out there too easily. Shanahan's offenses staked his teams to 28-3 and 20-10 leads in SB games that his teams' defenses couldn't hold, for whatever reason. That's not a choke.
Shanny is gonna be a hall of fame coach. He has a knack for squeezing a lot more production out of a team than they would have otherwise.
I don't really know anything about the 49ers talent scouting or GM, but if they pair him with someone good, they will be unstoppable at some point. As in Dynasty good.
Not to take anything away from the Chiefs, or Mahomes. They total earned that win yesterday.
Anyone notice John Lynch on the field in the 4th quarter? He must have thought the game was over in the middle of the 4th quarter. He must have forgot who his coach is.
Agreed. Shanahan is a darn good coach. He,s going to win a lot more games and a Super Bowl or 2 before he's done. Some people are too quick to hang a label on someone. If Andy Reid lost that game some would be doing it to him. Unfair!!
I just generally don't like the choke label. Its overused and thrown out there too easily. Shanahan's offenses staked his teams to 28-3 and 20-10 leads in SB games that his teams' defenses couldn't hold, for whatever reason. That's not a choke.
Well, he couldn't muster a single score in the final period of 2 championship games, where that single score would have won either game. He's a great coach and I'd love to have him as coach of the Browns, but I think he'll have to win a Superbowl to shake it (I also think that's a real possibility). Right now though, he's Bud Grant and Marv Levy. He's a great coach and I'd love to have him as coach of the Browns.
Anyone notice John Lynch on the field in the 4th quarter? He must have thought the game was over in the middle of the 4th quarter. He must have forgot who his coach is.
He was down on field level, but he looked really nervous.
Apparently, after Farmer, Shanahan doesn't allow any cellphones on the sidelines, so Lynch had to come down to tell Shanny what to do in person. I expect news of a PowerPoint at any moment.
I just generally don't like the choke label. Its overused and thrown out there too easily. Shanahan's offenses staked his teams to 28-3 and 20-10 leads in SB games that his teams' defenses couldn't hold, for whatever reason. That's not a choke.
Call it what you want but in todays NFL, you can't sit on a lead, especially against the Pats (Brady) or the Chiefs (Mahomes)... Heck in the Pats game, it was only halftime. And the defense scored one of those TDs to make it 28-3..
In his 2 Superbowls, Shanahan has been outscored 46-0 in the 4th quarter and OT.
Oof. Not a good stat.
He’ll be wearing that for the rest of his life, unless he wins one.
I don't get why Shanahan gets to "wear" the 25 point deficit that the Falcons defense surrendered, when he was the OC for the offense that staked that team to a 28-3 lead?
All of the coaches from that 28-3 chokejob, which it was, will wear that for the rest of their lives. If you have a 28-3 lead in the 3rd quarter of the Super Bowl and you end up losing, that's a choke.
IMO, he was the one still calling passing plays that helped the Patriots come back. Sure, that's who they were all season, a team pushing the ball downfield through the air, but if he called only running plays after that late game Julio Jones sideline catch when the Falcons were up 7, they would have been able to attempt a FG that would have iced the game. He ended up calling more pass plays which resulted in a sack and a holding penalty, pushing them out of kicking range.
Think if that were the Browns. We'd be up 7 points, a few minutes left, the ball on their 20-something yard line, 1st down and our kicker has been solid. Do you call passing plays so the clock can stop, put yourself in a position to get sacked or you're forced into a pass-protection holding penalty? I'd think we'd all be screaming at the TV to run three times and kick the FG. Heck, down the ball three times and kick!
And yes, as someone said, he also didn't score a single point in those two 4th quarters. If he had, he might have won both.
The maddening thing about Sunday's collapse, different than how the Falcons were built, the 49ers were built to do the very thing they needed to do, run the ball. They were averaging near 7 yards an attempt. Why did they abandon it?
Back to Kyle, he doesn't own the 28-3 failure all to himself, but it's on his resume. Is it fair to say he owns 10-20% of the blame? As for the percentage blame from this past Sunday, I'd give him about 70%. The head coach always carries the largest portion.
As for not using the word "choke", I don't see the point. If that's what happened, why sugarcoat it to protect their feelings? They're all adults and they're paid well. I try to never use that word with amateur athlete's, but the pros are different. It's why I'm fine with pro teams running up the score as much as they want. Everyone is being paid to play so stop them from scoring if you don't like it.
I'm back to the board for a flash because something is going on that is bugging me.
I read page 6 and part of page 7 on this board. I also tuned into some of Monday's sport's shows, but quickly turned them off. I saw articles on the internet that I bypassed due to their titles
The reason why I turned away from all three lines of communication is because of the need so many folks in this era feel the need to assign blame.
SF won 13 games in the regular season and earned the top seed. They won two more playoff games and played in the Super Bowl. Yet somehow, all I see and hear is criticism about their coach and qb. It's freaking unreal! I find it disgusting and ignorant. I know how hard it is to win football games as a player and a coach. I also understand that it's way harder in the NFL. Instead of getting credit for getting to the game, they are being degraded for not quite winning. What's wrong w/you people?
The sport's talk is getting really bad. Look at this board. There are all kinds of posters that are so interested in winning the debate that they resort to deceiving others and outright lying to "prove" their point. I'm good w/strong arguments, but lies and deception are lame.
Anyway, I thought it was an excellent game that could have went either way. I don't think anyone "lost" it. I think the Chiefs won it. SF could have won the game and folks would be lambasting Mahomes and Reid for being overrated and a choker.
I actually love the game of football and it was an excellent game w/many twists and turns. Those two teams could play multiple times and I think all the games would be close and both teams would win their share.
My only issue w/the game was the officiating and the announcing. Every close call seemed to favor KC and the announcers just ignored some of the calls. Why didn't we see a replay of the play where Watkins apparently fumbled? Why wasn't there much talk of the obvious off-side by KC? Could that hit on Jimmy G have been late? Why didn't we see more shots of it? What about the helmet-to-helmet hits on Jimmy G? Was Kittle's PI called that way throughout the season? Why wasn't Fisher called for multiple holds against Bosa? He was freaking holding him on almost every play and even tackled him a few times. None of the calls were crazy and some may have been correct, but man, it seemed like almost every call favored KC.
I think that might be because Mahomes is the choice to be the face of the league. That's smart. And I love Mahomes. Dude is a great, great player. I just didn't like the obvious bias of the officiating and the blind eye that Buck and Aikman had during the game.
Bottom line: Great game w/a true champion and no losers.
After every game people analyze who won/who lost and why. Plenty of time down the road to lament on what a great season it was but in the immediate aftermath of the game.. it's about that one game. The Chiefs walked out with the hardware, the 49ers walked out with nothing despite having a 2 score lead deep in the 4th quarter.. people want to talk about THAT, not sing kumbaya about what a great season they had before they lost in the championship.
Then you claim it was a great game with a true champion... one sentence after claiming that you think the officiating was biased to prop up Mahomes as the face of the league? If the officiating was intentionally biased for any reason, THEN IT WAS NOT A GREAT GAME WITH A TRUE CHAMPION... It was a sham with a manufactured champion.
I really don't want to respond to individual posts anymore, but I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. I will take the blame for not communicating well enough.
I think both teams played very well. I don't think either team "lost" the game. I do think both teams made mistakes, but I think most of those mistakes were forced by the other team's play and ability.
I do think the officiating was suspect, but I don't think that takes away from the performance of the two teams. Thus, I think it was a great game from a football players/coach perspective.
I was also trying to infer that society seems to be a bit off-base w/their infatuation w/the "blame game." It's like a bunch of losers need to criticize high achievers in order to elevate their own existence.
I thought it was a great game. The contrast in styles ws interesting for me. The flashy quick strike style of KC vs the hard nosed run game and great defense for the niners. I really thought the before the game that the niners were the better team and would win. I was rooting for KC though.
Watching the game I found something else fascinating. In the final minutes when KC took the lead the game came down to each teams weaker unit. The Niners passing game vs the KC defense. I do not think to many pople were expecting that scenario to decide the game. The Niners had to go the legth of the field without their run game and I am sure the Chief fans were not too excited to thank their season came down to a defensive stop.
bleh!
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