Here we go again.

I liked taking the T 1st and I think I liked the Delpit pick. But after that we went back to out thinking ourselves.

We traded down and missed out on a very good LB ( Brun ). Stupid analytic move. I can't even think on all the good players we passed on to play analytics. We passed on the Ohio State LB (taken by Balt ) to draft some slow footed sec bum.

Now the 3rd day and we can fill out our roster with Special teamers and guys that can't play. I hope you trade down guys learn your lesson but I know you won't.

Thanks Jimmy Haslam for scrwing up again.

BRING BACK DORSEY

That's as extreme as the guys who automatically say "great pick" after each choice.

I can see liking or disliking picks, but extreme thinking is odd. Too early to make any substantial evaluations.

Move on bro ...

Not a fan of what they did but lets give them a chance and see how it pans out ...

They have a tough job as the thief has been the worst owner in the history of sports so far ... these guys will get 4 or 5 years so we will get to watch there plan play out ... lets see how it turns out and not fry them 2 minutes into the 1st quarter of there plan ...

LETS GOOOOOOOoooooooo

I really like the 1st 2 picks ...... I like the 3rd pick ...... and don't like the 2nd 3rd round pick.

However, I am rooting for every one to be a great pro.

I disagree, it is the pick of the player that is being graded.

I don't understand what you are disagreeing with. Can you please clarify?

They still need a WR cause after JL and OBJ
the cupboard is really bare
Still didn't address a running parter
To go with Garrett.
I'm surprised the homers arent telling
The world how smart and awesome Andrew Berry
Is after day 2 of the draft .
In the past past GMs like Sashi and Farmet
Were worshipped and applauded on Draft Weekend
Time will tell with Berry.
Let's just hope he doesnt let his Ivy League
Education let him get arrogant in building
The roster

It's more than just the player, but also the value of said player where he is drafted.

So, there is a difference in strictly grading the player and grading the players value where he is selected.

Is that some sort of poetry or song lyrics? LOL........just messing w/you.

I thought that was understood. My bad.

Best to just stick with "Great pick" or "I really like this pick" around here. LOL

For instance. Taking a prospect like Elliott with the 88th selection, who was projected as a second round talent.

That's a 'great' value and therefore a 'great' pick, even though he might not be called a 'great' (but good) DT prospect.

I don’t watch college football and sure as hell cant evaluate the players we selected versus the guys we didn’t, but I like how we went after defensive players after getting an LT in round 1.

I think we have done a pretty good job addressing needs of the team so far.
There are still some decent receivers, and O linemen still in play.
Seems your upset about acquiring the top tackler in the SEC.
I too liked Harrison and Z Baun but they did not, maybe they know something we don't!

Elliot ranked 19th bst DT. Diffidently HOF.

Well, in regard to Malik Harrison, in fact any player who drops in the draft to a later round, there’s 31 other teams that didn’t pick him as well. Why? Eh, I certainly don’t know, I’m just a dude in an Internet forum.

By whom?

We all saw Harrison play and we all saw Phillips play.

Jumping Jimmy really screwed up bring in Berry and Depo. I wonder if Stefanski was in on this crap?

Lindy Sports

What do they know compared tp Fl Dawg

Yeah, I’m thinking you might be missing the mark on this. Berry and DePodesta just had a nice draft and free agency period.

According to who? I've not seen anyone rank him that low. PFF had him at 23rd overall. I know that's not guarantee, but I've also not seen him as the 19th best DT. Who were the 18 ahead of him?

Good question

PFF had him as their 3rd ranked DT in the class. Only the Auburn and South Carolina dudes were ahead of him. Lindy might be off

Ah grading the draft.

All good everybody gets to play GM.

Nobody has played a down in the NFL. Repeat in the NFL.

Since forever I have heard "I can't believe we got this guy in this round". We got an "A" from Mr. X. "What a horrible pick". "Unreal we got this guy best player on the Board."

Part of the fun grading the draft.

However, when they play games all that disappears like pre-season scores.

Outside of the first round most people who don't get paid by a NFL team don't know crap about these players.

So everybody now is an expert. I am not.

I need to see them play in real NFL games for at least a couple years.

Change thread title to "Lindy is smarter than everyone else"

I don't remember his name ( elliott ) being mentioned on the board pre draft ?

Our draft feedback are usually from guys who do a good job trying to analyze over 300 players and team needs. But honestly these guys don't have a job in the NFL...there are a few working for NFL Network and ESPN who make decent money...probably more than a scout in the NFL???

But these are the guys feeding us information so when we see Elliot and Phillips Not in the top 75 of most "EXPERT'S" Boards we think we blew it...The grass is always greener on the other side.

Personally I had Delpit as the highest ranked Safety and the overall #28 ranked player in the draft. But many on this board are looking at what was shown to us by the so called experts.

Elliot and Phillips we were targeting along with 5 other players so we felt safe that one of the 7 or so guys on OUR BOARD would be there. So we didn't waste any time taking the 2 prospects late 3rd round.

as Berry explained we took guys who would have to take advantage of the opportunity given them and they MUST MAKE themselves into possible starters. These are guys especially Elliot who will get some reps as we want to keep the DL fresh

Phillips we liked his game speed and long arms to develop into a possible starter at LB...remember in most cases we will be going to 2 LBs.

I have no clue on these two guys and most likely any of the guys we will take today rounds 4-7. When I say no clue I'm talking POSITIVE as well as NEGATIVE. I just listen to Berry (Haven't listened to Ski yet) and try to understand his thought process.

I think what I gather so far is our picks are some of the best "BALLERS" available not stat driven like all assume is how the Analytics go. DePodesta has made a unique and detailed algarythm to utilize as well as the scouts and coaches input from film and interviews. But the prospects must check off certain criteriors to become a Brown.

One has to just look at the Patriots As they took Kyle Dugger probably the biggest reach in the draft at an early 2nd round pick. They have no clue where Mel Kiper has this kid ranked all they know is they had him at the top of their board when they took him. Once you get past the 35 ranked players in the draft it goes all over the place. So who is smarter Mel Kiper or the collective minds of Berry, DePo and our coaching staff.

and btw out of the multitude of 3rd round picks since 1999 how many become starters and Pro Bowlers???

Hey usually after the first two rounds then its a tough road for these guys to become starters. They must work hard both in the Gym and mentally and we will see where they end up.

And I think almost as important as talent is the ENVIRONMENT we develop and offer these young prospects to grow in. We are in year one of that process. We will see how that evolves.

jmho

I know other teams I've spoken with so far have been very impressed with #Jets and #Browns selections and value (in terms of where the players were selected).

#NFLDraft2020 

Adam Caplan
@Caplannfl

He doesn't have a say ... but the Browns do and they do not agree either.

Go look in the mock draft thread.

Hmmmm. I liked picks 1 and 2. Didn't know enough about about picks 3-4-5 to know one way or the other. There were players I thought were good picks (the Ravens took one of those right after us) ..... but until they play, passing judgement on any of it, even the "good" Wills and Delpit picks, is flat wrong and premature. Saying we screwed up and using a single source of player grading is pretty pointless.

I think most of us were a little focused in on LT, FS, and LB.

It’ll be interesting to see how it pans out ... it’s crazy that the team drafting after us basically took the SAME position ... so it’ll be fairly easy to see if we should havre drafted Wirfs, Winfield, or Harrison

Was he mentioned there a bunch ? I honestly don't pay much attention to that thread.

I cannot really disagree with any of the selections so far.

The selection are not mind blowing stupid like John Hughes or Brandon Weeden, Johnny Manziel.

The analysts on ESPN liked our picks. They did speak about strengths and weaknesses but predominately, they thought our draft has been good.

Exactly. Andrew Berry made a good case for all our picks. I think he and whomever else has input have done a good job thus far.

I went back and looked. A few posters had him in the 3rd/4th range.

Finding the right players for the scheme / system. Most of the weaknesses people talk about can be coached up. People see players in different ways. Can only wait to see how they produce on the field.

I had him ranked as a second round pick on my board, dude just needs to be more consistent in his play.

I think they have as well, only time will tell though.

Just wanted to add I'm strongly against using analytics in football, but I'm trying to give these guys a chance before I fall off the deep end like the OP has.

This is my exact thought process. I really don't feel that we lost out with our picks where we drafted these guys.

In the case of Delpit vs Winflield I think we came out the winner. I was never sold on Winfields size at the next level or his health. I feel much more comfortable with Delpit.

The same goes with Wills over Becton.

My biggest question is Phillips over Harrison. I'm certainly no expert but had Harrison ranked above Phillips. But then I'm an Ohio state fan so my opinion may be jaded.

But with having the exact same positions being drafted right after our pick at all three pf those positions, it will make the comparisons very easy to make moving forward.

I just hate that two of my Buckeye players went to the Ravens. Man that REALLY sucks!

When we're arguing about blowing a late 3rd round pick, then we've improved considerably from previous regimes.

Some would not be happy if we picked Jim Brown Ozzie Newsomw and Otto Graham

Don't know how effective they would be at their ages and states.

Well, Otto died in 2003 ..... so ......

I love you Diam but this is the most unbelievable,
most hard to believe
most I won't believe it until I see it Statement! in all of being a Browns fan, and
being Browns fans we know how hard a title that is to hold.

4 or 5 years? Nobody has had 4 or 5 years except Depo, Jimmy and Dee, unless we want to go back to maybe Mangini's days.

Is that for the players, or the coaches, or the Gms, whoever.

Your right ... folks were also thrilled when we drafted Corey Coleman, Peppers & Njoku ...

There’s two sides to every coin ...

It goes for depo, Andy and Kev ...

I firmly believe Hue/Sashi would have gotten there full allotment of time IF they didn’t shoot each other ...

These guys will more than likely not have that problem .... but u never know if picks go bad OR the play on the field is not representative of the talent Andy has acquired ....

These guys get along NOW ... so did Hue and Sashi at this stage of the honeymoon ... Andy/Kev are human beings just like Hue/Sashi are .... IF things start going south ... we’ll see how they get along then ... lets hope we don’t find out ...

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I’m with u ... usually by now we’ve done things in FA and the draft that make me wonder if they used a dartboard ... nothing like that out of these guys so far with me ...

Not a fan of everything they did ... but nutting moronic IMO ...

GOOD LUCK BOYS ...

List of teams that use “analytics”:
All of them

It’s 2020, not wanting to use statistical analysis is crazy talk.
Yes even the magical Dorsey used analytics.

Sometimes it feels like people don’t really mean “analytics” it’s just a keyword to mean “I hate these nerds.”

I’d take u over all of them bro ....

PS. Your not that good either but they don’t set the bar very high ... *L* ...

Just breakin your chops bro ... hopefully your able to *L* unlike the ones with the tight sphincters on here ...

The mistake in this thinking is assuming that a player drafted in the third round will be good. It's basically a 30% chance he's even a long term starter.

your so right.. pick in the 6th... A Tom Brady will agree with you

... *L* ...

Don't say that to loud. Berry and Depo might still do hat.

Moving down 14 spots for a 3rd round pick was a solid move.

While I would have like Malik Harrison as well, I think you're over reacting.

This post reeks of someone who is angry at our leadership for simply being educated.

Braun isn't a scheme fit. He isn't even really a LB.

How many good players did we pass up to move down.

We haven’t heard from Berry to know if Phillips was the target all along. He might have been rated much higher on our board than what most thought. Btw I didn’t like this pick.

As it was stated earlier a 3rd round pick has a 30% chance to be a long term starter. That % does not change between picks 74 and 88. By adding an additional 3rd next season the Browns have increased the odds of finding a player in that 30% range by increasing the number of selections.

Wills, Delpit, and Bryant should all have an immediate impact. Elliot has a chance to make that a 4th player from among our picks. 3 of 7 rookie contributors is a very good draft. 4 of 7 would be outstanding, IMO.

Ideally, 0 out of 7 would start and get a chance to get acclimated to the NFL and all push out current starters next year.

14, potentially....

also ZERO potentially.

That is how the persistently successful teams do it. We aren't there yet, but that's the goal.

Following up on my own post.

The Pats, curse their souls, have been the best team in the NFL in terms of being relevant year in & year out. They are always picking at the bottom of the draft, and they are always having successful drafts. Often enough, the best long term prospects aren't necessarily NFL ready.

So the teams who need the draft to infuse their roster with talent go for the immediate impact players, while the Pats look for players to sit and learn.

Our goal should be to get to where NE is.

It's close to how successful teams do it. I'd say every team in the NFL expects the 1st round pick to start from day one. Which is why a late first round QB who needs to sit 2 years is such a bad pick.

For instance, Josh Uche, who got drafted by the Patriots, is definitely going to start/play a majority of the snaps day one. Kyle Dugger might play a lot of snaps as well.

The Ravens drafted Patrick Queen and he's DEFINITELY going to start day one. Clyde Edwards-Helaire is going to get the majority of the snaps day one with the super bowl champions. SF took 2 starters.

If you are relying on 4th round picks to be starters on day one, then you might have a serious problem. But, then again, the only day one starters that the Browns took, IMO, is Wills and Delpit. At most, maybe Phillips is a day one starter, but he'd definitely have to blow everyone away at camp.

TL;DR- Expecting some rookies to contribute day one is something all teams should strive for.

Of course, what I meant, explained in more detail. I agree.

I have two draft guides i used during the draft. Both had Elliot as a good pick. In fact, i'll pull them up right now and show you the rankings of both.

This took me awhile, so i hope people see this and find it interesting.

Jordan Reed's Draft Guide
Wills (Round 1, 10): Pos. 1st. Overall 5.Early 1st
Delpit (Round 2, 44): Pos. 2nd. Overall 31. Early 2nd
Elliot (Round 3, 88): Pos. 8th. Overall: 79. Early Third
Philips (Round 3, 97): Unranked
Bryant(Round 4, 115): Pos. 5th. Overall: 122. Mid 4th
Harris (Round 5, 160): Pos. 11 (this includes all guards and centers). Overall 134. Early 5th.
Peoples-Jones (Round 6: 187): Pos. 16. Overall 99. Early 4th


Dane Bruegler's Draft Guide
Wills (Round 1, 10): Pos. 1st. Overall: 5th . 1st Round
Delpit (Round 2, 44): Pos. 4th. Overall: 46th . 2nd Round
Elliot (Round 3, 88): Pos. 6th. Overall: 68th. 2nd-3rd Round
Philips (Round 3, 97): Pos. 17. 5th Round
Bryant (Round 4, 115): Pos. 3rd. Overall: 85th . 3rd Round
Harris (Round 5, 160): Pos. 4 (this includes all guards and centers). Overall 92nd. 3rd Round
Peoples-Jones (Round 5, 160): Pos. 24 . 4th-5th Round


Basically, Lindy's Rankings are Lindy's. Just as Bruegler has his own and so does Jordan Reed.

According to my two sets that i use for reference, we did pretty well except on the Jacob Philips Pick. But, that's just it, they're one guy's opinion.

The two guys i decided to follow, their opinion says we do pretty damn well

Thanks Petey! It’s nice to see our picks validated (even if it’s only two evaluators).

Not for nothing bro ... u really think Berry’s gonna get up there and say “we really wanted x and were bummed when y took them” ... *L* ....

I thought it was a bad trade based on extremely limited info ... basically no info ... unless one of us knows what our big board looked like its more speculative than most of the speculation on here ...

But going off what Berry says after the fact doesn’t give us any ACTUAL INFO only how he’s gonna frame it after the fact info ...

Please be gentle on me if i missed something ... haven’t read the board for over a day and i have no clue what he said about it ...

To get right to the point I want to make in response to your post, sorry if it's too blunt for you. Zero of seven starters from this Browns' draft class is nonsense. The discussion for months has been how can the Browns fill holes on the roster with difference-makers/possible starters. At no time can I recall any legitimate discussion about whether there were voids at LT, Safety or LB (this is not a discussion of how the LB hole occurred).

Can you name one option already under contract who gives the team competent LT play? How about FS? I'll wait.

Wills with RT experience only, is vastly superior to Hubbard. There's really nothing to discuss there. Delpit may need some time to secure the starting position over a savvy +30-year-old veteran but if he does not do so at some point this season that becomes a real problem.

I don't think the TE position was in severe need of an upgrade but I understand that we need improvement from that position.

Clearly, if the Browns' first or second round picks need to sit and be developed then other players should have been selected in their place.

Diam, you may be right but I am not certain the sashi team would have gotten any more time if they worked well together. I think Jimmie went into this process with his eyes open and knew rough seas were ahead for the next couple years. but I think rough seas in his mind were 3-13 or 4-12, not 1-15 and 0-16. He probably felt like he was on the titanic.

I hope we have our guys now and brighter skies are ahead!!

Oh yeah, the skies are blue, the water is as smooth as glass and the route to the Isle is right in front of us!

I think if they didn’t shoot each other that we would have brought in a dude like KJ after year two to take over Sashi’s role in personal decisions and let Sashi do what he was good at ...

The thief’s biggest mistake with that FO team was not putitng a football guy with way more experience than Berry had back then ... i said it day 1 when they were hired ... i said it would end the way it did ... it was the only possible outcome once things went north ... Sashi and his team had zero credibility with Hue or any of the other coaches ... that was a MORONIC ASS move ny the thief that had no chance of working ..

The bye week debacle forced the thief’s hand ....

I hope these guys are here for a decade .... it means the thief would have made a significant move from being the worst owner in the HISTORY OF SPORTS .. and that’s what we all want ..

QFT ....

LETS GOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo

Which teams don’t start rookies?

You're taking that too literally. More accurately stated, the NFL's best teams tend not to rely on drafted rookies to be their best players, tend to let even good prospects sit and learn before growing into their role on the team. Yes, every team will start rookies when that is their best option.

No way to prove it of course, but I agree with what you said in your first sentence. I think there was always room in The Plan to bring in a GM and relieve Sashi of those responsibilities letting him focus on other things.

Not having that guy from the beginning.. was that an unforced error or was it really a matter of circumstance? When DePo was doing his thing in Oakland, he had a guy with baseball cred that he was paired up with who believed in what they were doing. Who would have been the football equivalent?

It is vital for a team to have a "pipeline" of good players from draft after draft. That way you can better manage your cap, paying for your superstars, and allowing other, more average, players to go their way.

Our problem is that we always change coaches and front offices every year to year or 2. Then we change schemes, and have to tear the thing down to the studs, start over, and watch the owner become impatient 3 or 4 games into the season, when everything doesn't go just right.

I do think that most teams do count on their 1st round player, at least, to be a capable starter from the word go. Expensive veterans who can be replaced don't help a team's cap. Starters on rookie contracts do.

I feel there's a variable involved here. The best teams draft much later in the draft. That's just the way things are set up. If names were just drawn out of hat and one of the best teams drew a top 10 pick, I'm pretty sure they would expect that player to be a starter.

That was one of my earlier points.

I think you misread what I said and are taking it too literally... LOL, I said ideally.


The most winning teams in the last 10 years are the Patriots, Packers, Steelers, Seattle, and Saints. All of these teams tend to bring their rookies into their culture with their programs and let them get them acclimated. They groom backup players (in general) into roles that will replace their current players.


Meanwhile, in the last 10 years, we have the worst record in the NFL and we are constantly throwing rookies into the fires of hell and wonder why they all turn out to be busts.

I would bet half of the players we drafted would have been pro-bowlers on these five teams. That is why Bellicheck loves picking up our scraps. We don't give players a chance to get their bearings and they develop tons of bad habits with 0 support and mentoring.

So, yes, ideally, we would stop throwing most of our draft picks in the frying back on opening day. We have definitely proved over the same timespan that this approach doesn't work.

The Andrew Berry we just hired ... *L* ...

Thats a great question ... i don’t know the answer but teams have been using some form of analytics for a decade now so they were out there ...

Like u said ... we;LL never know and as peed i am they forced KJ out I think this may work out well ... I’m impressed with this group so far ...

IF the draft picks pan out .... the LT has to be at least a double .. but if they pan out we’ll be in good hands ...

Looking at the names that went between our picks, none of them jump out as names that we would have been looking at. None were LBs and Harrison was still on the board. Maybe Zuniga, Gallimore, Greenard, or Ojemudia, but mostly looked like RBs and non scheme fit OL. Both those Edge might be more 3-4 OLBs (this might apply to Baun, too). Some TEs, but we had signed Hooper and still got Bryant.

If we get someone nice next year, it'll be a great trade. As it is, I'm not sure it cost us anyone we would've drafted otherwise. We still chose to pass again on the player most are complaining about.

Actually, when I wrote my original post on this thread I used the term immediate impact. I never said starter. In any case, I did a little research on rookie starters from the 2019 draft. I limited it to the first round. So there were actually more than are listed below. Teams with multiple picks in round 1 actually started more than one rookie.

I found a list of the first round picks from the 2019 draft. Then I went to Ourlads and used their NFL depth chart drop-down menu to see where these players appeared on their team's depth chart.

Admittedly these aren't official depth charts but they are fairly reliable.

It's actually easier to list the players and teams whose first round selection was not designated as a starter.

Hockenson, TE Detroit

Gary, DL, Green Bay

Jonah Williams, OT, Cincinnati. Was listed as the starter but I read this week the was out all year with an injury.

Simmons, DL, Tenn. Wasn't a starter due to injury but he played on their playoff roster after recovering from knee.

Tillery, DL, LAC.

N. Harry, WR, NE listed as a starter but I believed he was benched during the season. Placing him on either the starter or nonstarter list doesn't change the overwhelming evidence.

Superbowldog,I had not read your most recent post when I wrote the above. I understand more clearly your intent. Respect.

lol! No I didn’t expect him to come out and say we were targeting another player but he got picked so we settled for Phillips. I was thinking he might have said we were targeting him all along like Harbaugh did in his interview on NFL Network.

I agree that since none of us have a clue what our board looked like that we really are just guessing about the trade. If Phillips works out they will look brilliant. If he doesn’t and someone in between those picks does than Berry better hope he does better with next year’s pick he got in the trade or Dawgtalkers are going to be calling for his head! lol!

We also have a situation where the Ravens drafted Malik Harrison at the exact same position with the very next pick after ours.

I don't actually see the trade down as a bad thing. We all felt they would try to address the LB position at some point in this draft. Moving down to put yourself in a situation where that position is a value to you rather than having to reach in order to address it while picking up future assets at the same time seem like rather sound strategy to me.

The only question left to settle is whether you picked the right player at that position between the players left on the board at the position. I don't get paid a seven figure salary to figure all of that out. But one thing is for sure, I haven't seen anyone who had Phillips on their radar any where close to where we drafted him. So we'll just have to see how it plays out.

The thing is, if you look back through the draft, NE usually doesn't have great drafts. If you back 4-5 years, they are lucky to get 1 good/great player a year, if that. Last year, they had Chase Winovich as their best pick, and he had 5.5 sacks. N'Keal Harry was hurt a lot, but no one else amounted to much.

The year before (2018), Sony Michel was a decent pick, but has averaged 900 yards a year and was picked before Chubb. Isaiah Wynn has been hurt a lot too, but no one else has amounted to much.

2017: Deatrich Wise has 11.5 sacks in 3 seasons. No one else has been good.

2016: Joe Thuney is a great guard in Rd 3. Brissett has been decent, but he was traded already. Ted Karras in Rd. 6 finally started last year. Still, decent pick for Rd 6.

2015: Good draft overal, with Malcolm Brown as a decent DT, and Trey Flowers as a very good DE in Rd 3. Shaq Mason is a very good guard.

So I would say it's been since at least 2015 that NE has had a very good draft. They were so good because of the trades for players and being able to get a bunch of good, veteran players cheaper to try to win championships.

That doesn't fit the trade down guys narative.

Well said. You just never know if you made the right pick, but trading down is a good strategy.

Face it, having extra picks has value any way you cut it. You never know how those will impact next year or later in the current draft..

I guess until we get good enough and lose more to free agency where we pick up some 4th and 5th round compensatory picks, we will have to continue to generate some by trading back.


It's obvious this isn't like a few years ago where we were tearing down and did want to accumulate more top picks.


Now, we aren't all that interested in trading out of the top 2-3 picks. But sure, moving down in the 4th to gain another 3rd next year, or whatever, good planning. Especially if you have a target player or three you are comfortable will still be there. If not, try to trade back again. Sometimes you don't get it right. Make next year even better. Trade down and now in the late 5th round you might be able to look at guys with 6th round grades and not be a total reach when you turn in the card.

You get in those middle rounds, you are playing poker and mostly guessing and bluffing. You have all kinds of players who are bunched up on your board rankings.

Some of those guys hit. You hope you get one every now and then. Every team in the league could have drafted Tom Brady at least 5 times over. Some even 6 times.

Go figure. The "football" guys had that one all balled up.

Joe Montana, what was he, a 3rd rounder?


I do have to admit I like gaining picks. One last swing at the bat is sometimes all it takes.

I like trading down, but it depends on circumstances. Don't just trade down for the sake of it. It's a strategy like anything else. Weigh value. If your at pick 74 and all the remaining players are pretty even, and you can get good value, trade down. If you're at pick 74 and your 30th ranked player is available, draft him.

I think you have to have a mix of both. But teams towards the end of Round 1 obviously are usually better teams, and many (Pats, Seahawks, San Fran) tend to trade down a lot.

If it were me, and I were running the draft for a team that usually picks mid-late in each round (i.e. are pretty good every year), I'd look to trade down with a team that has good chance of netting me a higher pick in the next year, depending on how that draft is coming to me and how the next year's draft is looking.

Yes and no. You give away players now for hopefully better players later but there's no guarantees there. Look at Miami and Pittsburgh last year. For the first half or more of the season it looked like Miami was going to get a top 5 pick and then they end up with number 18.

In thr third-round this year we moved down 14 spots and essentially picked up 2 third rounders. Still got a good player this year and also have a pretty good pick next year.

I meant if you were a NE or NO type team. Miami or the Browns picking after them almost never happens.

JMHO, I'm with you thinking past 2 rd all those guys are attempting to beat the odds- interesting that old school guys w ho pick REAL football players miss also- Colbert. AND picks wasted on lousy character guys- Johnny M and Josh G, it is no wonder
we've stunk for ages. Character had some weight in this draft, by this leadership group- remember Mangini. I'm very pleased with the mental make up/character of the whole class....I think they will be willing AND available.....GO Browns!!! I know nothing about actual football players other than being alive and privileged to see Jim Brown/ Kelly/ Warfield etc in their prime.....again...GO Browns!!!

I never really noticed your sig...I like that. Thumbs up.


I saw the same guys you did. Special times, but looking back, going to games with my Dad was more special even if I didn't know it at the time.

I miss that more than watching Jim Brown and Leroy Kelly run the ball, and I loved watching them run the ball.

I loved my Dad more. I'd give my left nut to go to one more game or have dinner one more time with Mom and Dad.

I ASSume that our Browns and probably most teams except the Bengals...lol Here, listen to or even negotiate a bit on multiple Trade Down and Up situations. Every draft usually every team. Come draft day all depends how the draft is evolving they know who what and where they can trade with.

Top, Middle or at the end of the round. What we do is TARGET certain players and if we are sure that they will be around at lets say #44 when we are picking at #41 we pull the trigger on the best for us situation. And still get our GUY in this case Delpit at Safety! We don't just trade down for the heck of it and HOPE our guy will still be there. We have to be pretty sure by studying the teams involved and even speaking with them prior to the draft in trade discussions we know who they are targeting.

So WE DO NOT DICTATE the trade scenario. We just are prepared and react, adjust to the draft as it enfolds.

I think in every pick we made we had these players targeted and for the spot they should be picked at.

jmho

I only caught a little bit of Cleveland Browns Daily and their initial post Draft podcast, but Zagura mentioned Berry told him that they had tons of programs running calculations on the % chances of who other teams were likely to pick. It was just a quick blurb and he didn't expand on that, but there is certainly some form of method at work.

Analytics at work...