It's odd we don't have a forum dedicated to it with lots of great thought and analysis by now. Thank you Kevin!
Ive started looking around - mainly at secondary. I used the draft network and drafttek sites a lot for the start of my searching.
I like this draft - they have us taking 2 safeties - Ford, I really like the more I read but I dont want college ball so would love a counter opinion. They also mention Woods wanting to run a 4-1-6. I am down with that -
This is a year I'd be trying to trade draft picks for veterans for several reasons:
1. There is going to be less data available for the draftable players because of COVID.
2. We are going to have a ton of cap space in a year where some owners will be pinching pennies and/or having to cut loose veterans because of cap issues.
3. This is likely the last year we will have Baker, Chubb, and Ward cheap. We should probably go all in on veterans while we can still afford them.
I think Zaven Collins would be a near perfect pick for the Browns. He does it all, from sideline to sideline, rushing the QB to solid in coverage.
Unfortunately, most mocks having going to Miami @ 18 or the Titans @ 22. Others point to Raiders, Jets or Patriots. I'm afraid we would have to move up to draft him.
This is a year I'd be trying to trade draft picks for veterans for several reasons:
1. There is going to be less data available for the draftable players because of COVID.
2. We are going to have a ton of cap space in a year where some owners will be pinching pennies and/or having to cut loose veterans because of cap issues.
3. This is likely the last year we will have Baker, Chubb, and Ward cheap. We should probably go all in on veterans while we can still afford them.
I think this makes a lot of sense. We have two 3rds which I reckon could be used in this way. I would really prefer we keep 1 and 2 but if we picked up plus starters on D for a 2 or a 3 then you cannot argue with that approach. Like you say, they will also be known quantities. Draft is a crap shoot as always but this year maybe even more so?
1.Micah Parsons OLB/ILB PSU Top Ten 2.Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah OLB Notre Dame Mid-Late Fisrt 3.Zavon Collins OLB/ILB Tulsa Mid Late First 4.Joe Tryon OLB/DE Washington Late First Early Second 5.Joseph Ossai OLB Texas Mid Second Early 3rd 6.Azeez Ojulari OLB Georgia late Second Mid 3rd
My Top Inside LB's:
1.Micah Parsons OLB/ILB PSU Top Ten 2.Zavon Collins OLB/ILB Tulsa Mid Late First 3.Dylan Moses ILB Alabama Late First Early Second 4.Chazz Surratt ILB North Carolina Mid Second Early Third 5.Paddy Fisher ILB Northwestern Early Third Early 4th 6.Pete Werner ILB/OLB Ohio State Mid 3rd Mid Fourth
I keep seeing Greg Rousseau,DE, Miami U. slipping down some boards. He would be an interesting piece opposite Garrett.
Not really a reply directed at you individually, but between now and the draft we are going to see hundreds of thousands of draft variations. All will be mostly very inaccurate.
After maybe the first 5 picks or so, you could probably throw darts and make the selections.
These draft simulators can be fun, but speaking for myself, though i am sure i am not the only one, after the first 3 rounds or so, I don't know who the heck I am picking. I may know some of them and that is probably why I picked them.
Yeah don't know why we wait till after the SB to start the draft forum. Should be up there the day after Browns football is over for the season. You do a great job Purple and thank you for the site but this is one of my pet peeves with you.... lol
January 23, 2021 - 8:18 pm League announces more draft limitations … Just a couple of days after NFL teams were informed that there would in effect be no scouting combine this winter, the league has added a number of other restrictions that are going to complicate the pre-draft testing process. In particular, teams will not be allowed to conduct any timing or physical testing activities outside of a school’s pro day or an all-star game setting. Same for in-person interviews and medical exams which also will be limited pro days and/or all-star games.
Similarly, there will also be a league-wide ban on private workouts, in-house facility visits, dinners and film sessions with prospects. In addition, schools hosting pro days will be limited to a maximum of five players classified as underclassmen, clubs will be limited to three reps at any pro day and are also not allowed to attend any combine-type events or similar workout sessions that are not affiliated with the NFL.
All attendees are required to wear PPE and practice social distancing. Teams CAN interview prospects via the phone or video beginning this weekend. Needless to say, all this is going to severely curtail teams abilities to gather the kind of information that they have been accustomed to having heading into the draft. If there is a positive its that all teams are in the same boat. It also means that more than ever a teams grade on a player will be dependent on what scouts see on game tape.
I have never been a fan of the individual workout. It is skewed for the prospect to look good. They have the combine, everyone shows what they can do under the same conditions. I think that is more telling.
Additionally it burns a lot of money that could be used for other things. Not that it would but the NFL could up their NFL charities.
NFLN mock has us taking Collins from Tulsa ... sign me up
I started pimping him 2 months ago (ish). My question is where do we put him? He is an LB in college, but has DE size. Don't get me wrong, I love the flexibility, just wondering if people view him more as LB or as DE in our scheme.
NFLN mock has us taking Collins from Tulsa ... sign me up
I started pimping him 2 months ago (ish). My question is where do we put him? He is an LB in college, but has DE size. Don't get me wrong, I love the flexibility, just wondering if people view him more as LB or as DE in our scheme.
Regardless of size, if he has the speed and fluidity to be a LB in the NFL, you keep him at LB.
What you get is a large LB that can thump, cover, and rush.
This is a year I'd be trying to trade draft picks for veterans for several reasons:
1. There is going to be less data available for the draftable players because of COVID.
2. We are going to have a ton of cap space in a year where some owners will be pinching pennies and/or having to cut loose veterans because of cap issues.
3. This is likely the last year we will have Baker, Chubb, and Ward cheap. We should probably go all in on veterans while we can still afford them.
I agree with you, except I think we should try to give out longer contracts. We are in a very unique position of being a strong team with some money to burn. There will be a few FAs this year that will be forced onto some pretty cheap deals. We could score some bargains only because we are a strong team with some money in our wallet.
And I think that's going to be the rub here. In a down cap year where deals would be cheap, I don't see players or their agents wanting to be locked into long term deals. If I were them I wouldn't want to be in that situation either. I think long term deals with quality FA's are going to be hard to come by. Maybe not so much for role players.
The cream of the crop will always have the leverage needed, but those solid 2nd group of guys can probably be pushed towards more manageable contracts.
The role players are going to be straight robbed this year.
Patrick Jones II DE Pitt Here is a scouting report I found Jones helped Pitt's defense lead the nation in sacks in 2019, and he's top five in this draft class in sacks per game. Jones's burst off the line and closing speed is otherworldly. - Dean Kindig, DraftTek Senior Analyst
Trevon Moehrig TCU S His scouting report Moehrig has 26 combined INTs/PBUs over the past 2.5 seasons, which led all of FBS by 6. A rangy safety ... - Kennedy Paynter, Senior Draft Analyst
Nick Bolton Missouri ILB His scouting report Bolton evokes words like "speed" and "twitch" and "hitting," Bolton was all-SEC the past two seasons and showed a knack for highlight reel hits. A natural and instinctive Mike backer - Jud Branam, DraftTek Senior Analyst
The Wildcard: Jevon Holland S Oregon My scouting report: He was clearly the top FS entering the season but opted out Now Moehrig is ranked #1 6'-1" and 182# 2018 - 5 interception with 1 TD
I think Holland is a 1st round talent but looks like he is going to fall because he opted out
This is a year I'd be trying to trade draft picks for veterans for several reasons:
1. There is going to be less data available for the draftable players because of COVID.
2. We are going to have a ton of cap space in a year where some owners will be pinching pennies and/or having to cut loose veterans because of cap issues.
3. This is likely the last year we will have Baker, Chubb, and Ward cheap. We should probably go all in on veterans while we can still afford them.
I agree with you, except I think we should try to give out longer contracts. We are in a very unique position of being a strong team with some money to burn. There will be a few FAs this year that will be forced onto some pretty cheap deals. We could score some bargains only because we are a strong team with some money in our wallet.
I hope we do a good enough job in FA to where we don't absolutely have to hit HRs in the draft in order to field a respectable team (translation: defense).
I have never been a fan of the individual workout. It is skewed for the prospect to look good. They have the combine, everyone shows what they can do under the same conditions. I think that is more telling.
Additionally it burns a lot of money that could be used for other things. Not that it would but the NFL could up their NFL charities.
In the post above yours, it said no scouting combine.
Are they talking about "the combine", or are they calling all the individual team scouting a combine of sorts?
I have never been a fan of the individual workout. It is skewed for the prospect to look good. They have the combine, everyone shows what they can do under the same conditions. I think that is more telling.
Additionally it burns a lot of money that could be used for other things. Not that it would but the NFL could up their NFL charities.
In the post above yours, it said no scouting combine.
Are they talking about "the combine", or are they calling all the individual team scouting a combine of sorts?
I ama not 100% sure but my sister lives in Indy and she was telling me that the NCAA basketball tournament was going to be there but that the combine was cancelled - FWIW
I have never been a fan of the individual workout. It is skewed for the prospect to look good. They have the combine, everyone shows what they can do under the same conditions. I think that is more telling.
Additionally it burns a lot of money that could be used for other things. Not that it would but the NFL could up their NFL charities.
In the post above yours, it said no scouting combine.
Are they talking about "the combine", or are they calling all the individual team scouting a combine of sorts?
I ama not 100% sure but my sister lives in Indy and she was telling me that the NCAA basketball tournament was going to be there but that the combine was cancelled - FWIW
The combine has essentially been cancelled this year:
Most mock drafts seem to be dropping the players who opted out this year. And seemingly quit a bit. It will be interesting to see if that bears out come the actual draft, I would bet not.
J/C - I do like Patrick Jones II. However, I'd prefer to go FA after preferably Trey Hendrickson (NO) or Lawson (CIN).
Holland out of Oregon is intriguing - if he started slipping down round 2, pending the checks the org will make, I'd try and make a move up. Saying that, I do like Moehrig, Paris Ford out of Pitt and Talanoa Hufanga out of USC. Latter round safety / CB - Tariq Thompson (San Diego State) and CB Keith Taylor (Wash). I think we need to assume Delpit and Greedy are done and if they are not its a bonus. So I'd be looking at 2 secondary guys at least in the draft, 1 perhaps in FA, if Woods is looking at 4-1-6 or 4-2-5.
One guy I am intrigued in is Tyler Shelvin (LSU). He is a mountain of a man. The reason I'm intrigued is - we probably need to be stouter up front against the run if we are looking at more safety personnel in our formations? Shelvin is a typical nose, but I think he'd make a great 1-tech on 1st and 2nd down and on obvious passing formations you likely play 3 rushers and blitz out of the secondary. The more I read the more I like the flexibility of a 5 or 6 man backend - if you have safeties than can over the slot and CBs who can play the run and both than can blitz.
I think we need to either bring back Mitchell or look to FA for someone opposite Ward. Eric Stokes has been mocked to us in some places, FWIW.
I don't really get all of the recent cancellations / changes the NFL is coming up with. Namely cancelling the combine. It would seem, with some advance planning,the combine would be relative simple to pull off with minimal COVID danger ( when compared to actually playing games etc.) They could have established a bubble for participants and event stall while limiting team representation etc. It just seems odd to say that playing the games, having fans in the stands is OK, but the combine is not. I guess the combine does not bring in enough revenue.
I don't really get all of the recent cancellations / changes the NFL is coming up with. Namely cancelling the combine. It would seem, with some advance planning,the combine would be relative simple to pull off with minimal COVID danger ( when compared to actually playing games etc.) They could have established a bubble for participants and event stall while limiting team representation etc. It just seems odd to say that playing the games, having fans in the stands is OK, but the combine is not. I guess the combine does not bring in enough revenue.
And it would cost a ton of money to create a bubble.
I don't really get all of the recent cancellations / changes the NFL is coming up with. Namely cancelling the combine. It would seem, with some advance planning,the combine would be relative simple to pull off with minimal COVID danger ( when compared to actually playing games etc.) They could have established a bubble for participants and event stall while limiting team representation etc. It just seems odd to say that playing the games, having fans in the stands is OK, but the combine is not. I guess the combine does not bring in enough revenue.
And it would cost a ton of money to create a bubble.
No doubt. Each team might have over a dozen people on board. A few hundred players, media...a super spreader event in the making.
Just 1 person could more or less turn that event in to a prison. "You are in here with infected people and you can't get out".
Link to a site I follow on twitter. Really interesting read as they go through Offseason day by day. I am all onboard with the FA pickups and draft in this link - I am biased as I think Hendrickson is a great player.
Knowing next to nothing about any of the draft eligible players at this point — I want the linebacker from Tulsa. But also reading a little bit about him it seems highly unlikely that he will make it to 26.
So here is a question that I have been wondering. We play a 4-3 base defense I believe. My understanding is that our pass rush should essentially come from the DL particularly the DE spot. That makes 4-3 defensive ends a valuable commodity. Like wise in a 3-4 OLB are a valuable commodity for their edge rush ability. Drafting an edge rusher in the first round makes sense for a 4-3 team, but. Does it make sense to go LBer in the first for a team running a 4-3 or say a 5-2 frequently? It seems like the LB in that defense would not have quite the same value as in a 3-4 defense, no?
There seem to be trends that I think will make which position we select problematic. Edge rushers and CB's tend to go early. You have a run at those positions which tends to deplete the talent level at those positions rather quickly.
The more rare and valuable the position, the quicker they are drafted. QB's, LT's, edge rushers and CB's start going off the board pretty quickly. At #26 it means you either have to reach at certain positions or draft much higher rated players at other positions.
This is a situation we haven't been in for a while. How it will all unfold at this point is anyone's guess.
Moving up into the Teens ( in the first ) and Drafting Zaven Collins will go a long way in covering up for Woods play calling . The type of MLB that we have longed for ( well I have , lol )
I’ve always thought the center of your team makes your team, regardless of the sport (catcher, pitcher, CF) or (PG, C) or (QB, OL, RB, C, MLB, S) ... you need to be strong at the core of your unit.
Moving up into the Teens ( in the first ) and Drafting Zaven Collins will go a long way in covering up for Woods play calling . The type of MLB that we have longed for ( well I have , lol )
We'd have to move up to at least 16... The Raiders are a wild-card at 17, Dolphins probably will snag him at 18, if not, there's no way (imo) he survives the Titans at 22.
Maybe Belichick will swap (15), although I would expect he would want more than our extra 3rd and 4th.
Doesn't look very likely unless we ship our 2nd round pick, which I would rather not do.
Truth of the matter is , you can fill his ( Woods ) wish list of talent and I still will not like his approach .. lol .. I am an Attach Defense type of Dawg.. I feel that Woods scheme has the Defensive players , playing to many snaps .. You can call it a Prevent or a Bend but don't Break Defense ; Not my cup of tea. If he can pull it off by limiting the amount of points the opposing Teams puts up , Fantastic. I hope this cracks you up too.
Truth of the matter is , you can fill his ( Woods ) wish list of talent and I still will not like his approach .. lol .. I am an Attach Defense type of Dawg.. I feel that Woods scheme has the Defensive players , playing to many snaps .. You can call it a Prevent or a Bend but don't Break Defense ; Not my cup of tea. If he can pull it off by limiting the amount of points the opposing Teams puts up , Fantastic. I hope this cracks you up too.
I agree with your philosophy of defense.
THe question though, is did woods run a passive defense because that was his preference or because he felt it was the best for this team given its talent level?
Has woods ever been a defensive coordinator before? IF so, what kind of defense did he run?
Everything I see is he has always been a defensive backs coach since he left college...as a player, not coach.
There isn't anything to show what he has done as a coordinator.
The only thing to go on is his stating he wants to run a nickel as his base D, dropping a linebacker.
Just to bring up a name from the past, it sounds like a Peppers type player is what he seeks.
I keep seeing that Zaven Collins is a player we might want, yet it almost seems like he is the type of player we might be looking to dump from the line-up. I think a hybrid safety type is what we are looking for.
Good info and take I think Woods ideal draft pick would be the Lb out of ND with the weird name. Unlikely that he falls to us. Wonder if he might be a player we would trade up for?
I hope to see the mentioned preference of Woods. 4-1-6 Defense. It intrigues me and I love innovative concepts.
We got Ward, Delpit, Harrison, Greedy, Joseph, Mitchell
(Johnson, Sandejo, Redwine as alternates) for the 6 and we UPGRADE from there.
The "ONE" I would guess Phillips right now the coaches seemed to be very impressed with him - hard for us to tell as he came in the end of the season as a rookie to play. But again it seemed the coaches were high on him and he took over the MIKE position.
jmho The front 4 Garrett, Clayborn, Larry O and Sheldon Richardson.
We also have Elliot DT, Taylor DT, Gustin DE as rotation guys
We will upgrade wherever possible.
I think Garrett and Richardson are the only two cemented on our roster. The rest mentioned gave some quality reps but will be upgraded from FA and/or the draft
DATE: Saturday, January 30, 2021 TIME: 1:30pm CT WHERE: Mobile, Alabama STADIUM: University of South Alabama, Hancock Whitney Stadium TELEVISION: NFL Network
Rosters
"National Team" roster:
School First Name Last Name Pos
Virginia Tech Divine Deablo DB Washington Keith Taylor DB Oregon Thomas Graham Jr. DB Oklahoma Tre Brown DB Michigan Ambry Thomas DB California Camryn Bynum DB Oklahoma State Rodarius Williams DB Pittsburgh Damar Hamlin DB Oklahoma Tre Norwood DB Minnesota Benjamin St-Juste DB San Diego State Darren Hall DB Ohio State Jonathon Cooper DL Washington Levi Onwuzurike DL UCLA Osa Odighizuwa DL Pittsburgh Rashad Weaver DL Pittsburgh Patrick Jones II DL Notre Dame Adetokunbo Ogundeji DL Notre Dame Daelin Hayes DL Coastal Carolina Tarron Jackson DL Northern Iowa Elerson Smith DL Texas Ta’Quon Graham DL Penn State Shaka Toney EDGE Michigan Ben Mason FB TCU Garret Wallow LB Oregon State Hamilcar Rashed Jr. LB Ohio State Justin Hilliard LB Ohio State Baron Browning LB Ohio State Tuf Borland LB North Carolina Chazz Surratt LB West Virginia Tony Fields II LB Purdue Derrick Barnes LB Notre Dame Robert Hainsey OL Nebraska Brenden Jaimes OL Northern Iowa Spencer Brown OL North Dakota State Dillon Radunz OL Middle Tennessee Robert Jones OL Cincinnati James Hudson III OL Oklahoma Creed Humphrey OL Oklahoma Adrian Ealy OL Notre Dame Aaron Banks OL California Jake Curhan OL Wisconsin-Whitewater Quinn Meinerz OL Texas Sam Ehlinger QB Notre Dame Ian Book QB Arkansas Feleipe Franks QB Oklahoma Rhamondre Stevenson RB UCLA Demetric Felton RB North Carolina Michael Carter RB Alabama Najee Harris RB Virginia Tech Khalil Herbert RB Virginia Tony Poljan TE Ole Miss Kenny Yeboah TE Boston College Hunter Long TE Notre Dame Ben Skowronek WR Louisville Desmond Fitzpatrick WR Western Michigan D’Wayne Eskridge WR South Dakota St. Cade Johnson WR Oklahoma State Tylan Wallace WR Michigan Nico Collins WR Arizona State Frank Darby WR Alabama DeVonta Smith WR Wake Forest Sage Surratt WR
“American Team” roster:
School First Name Last Name Pos
Missouri Joshuah Bledsoe DB Georgia DJ Daniel DB Missouri Tyree Gillespie DB LSU JaCoby Stevens DB Florida State Hamsah Nasirildeen DB Florida Shawn Davis DB Central Florida Richie Grant DB North Carolina Central Bryan Mills DB Georgia Mark Webb DB Central Florida Aaron Robinson DB Central Arkansas Robert Rochell DB Syracuse Ifeatu Melifonwu DB Kansas State Wyatt Hubert DE Florida State Marvin Wilson DL Wake Forest Carlos Basham Jr. DL Tulane Cameron Sample DL Iowa Chauncey Golston DL Georgia Malik Herring DL Houston Payton Turner DL USC Marlon Tuipulotu DL Florida State Janarius Robinson EDGE Miami Quincy Roche EDGE Baylor William Bradley-King EDGE Northwestern Paddy Fisher LB Virginia Charles Snowden LB South Alabama Riley Cole LB LSU Jabril Cox LB Houston Grant Stuard LB Georgia Monty Rice LB Auburn KJ Britt LB UAB Jordan Smith LB Tennessee Trey Smith OL Grambling State David Moore OL Kentucky Drake Jackson OL Iowa Alaric Jackson OL Georgia Ben Cleveland OL Alabama Alex Leatherwood OL Alabama Deonte Brown OL Texas Tech Jack Anderson OL Texas A&M Dan Moore Jr. OL Western Michigan Jaylon Moore OL Texas A&M Kellen Mond QB Florida Kyle Trask QB Wake Forest Jamie Newman QB Alabama Mac Jones QB Missouri Larry Rountree III RB Mississippi State Kylin Hill RB Michigan Chris Evans RB Louisiana Elijah Mitchell RB Georgia Tre McKitty TE Duke Noah Gray TE Bowling Green Quintin Morris TE SMU Kylen Granson TE LSU Racey McMath WR Houston Marquez Stevenson WR UAB Austin Watkins Jr. WR Tennessee Josh Palmer WR South Carolina Shi Smith WR Florida Kadarius Toney WR Florida Trevon Grimes WR Clemson Amari Rodgers WR Clemson Cornell Powell WR
UCF S Richie Grant has had a strong week reading the varied reports. Also Oklahoma CB Tre Norwood. Edge guys - Basham (Wake), Roche (Florida) and Toney (Penn) to keep an eye on.
I also think - having read so many things now since the divisional game - that I agree we shouldnt neglect the offense. I could be convinced of going after someone like Curtis Samuels. In the senior bowl - Western D’Wayne Eskridge out of W. Mich looks electric. Shi Smith also. Devonta Smith is also playing.
This time I traded back from 26 to 31 and then traded out of the first round again and picked up 2 extra 2nds and 2 extra 3rds and still got my top target in Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, ILB/OLB, Notre Dame
This time I traded back from 26 to 31 and then traded out of the first round again and picked up 2 extra 2nds and 2 extra 3rds and still got my top target in Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, ILB/OLB, Notre Dame
Looks good on paper...I just don't know about the draft until I can get some SPEED data. As we just don't have enough film on everyone - speed and explosion are two difference makers for me in my thought process of building the team.
40 time and vertical leap and film is my way to look at the draft and players.
btw can you supply me with the link on that Mock draft stuff???
Looks good on paper...I just don't know about the draft until I can get some SPEED data. As we just don't have enough film on everyone - speed and explosion are two difference makers for me in my thought process of building the team.
40 time and vertical leap and film is my way to look at the draft and players.
btw can you supply me with the link on that Mock draft stuff???
At only 216 lbs, he better be faster than 4.5 if he wants a career in the NFL. If you can't be big enough to hit, you better at least be fast enough to run them down after you bounce off.
He looks like a safety because he has the size of a safety.
I think maybe that's a fun aspect of picking this low.... we're not taking our pick of the top-tier Gold Chip players in every draft any longer; we're picking through the deep crop of Blue Chip guys.
This draft is a mixture of what I view as priorities and the things I've picked up from listening to AB and others.
Personally, I think the run defense needs to take another step so I look for a solution early.
The Browns need another pass rusher and you must draft one earlier rather than later if you expect impact. There are several good, not great options for this position.
The secondary needs a major infusion of talent and depth. Guys who can line up in multiple spots will be highly valued.
I like what I was hearing about Richie Grant at the senior bowl in that he is a safety that can also play all CB positions.
I know just a BALLER...kid can play Football.
I was surprised in doing this draft thing which btw the computer made 3 of my picks as I was taking too long looking at what was available. My 1st round pick... the other two possibly one of the them I panicked and pressed the pick button while just looking at the player...lol
Guy I like is Elijah Molden (WAS). Smaller but reminds me a lot of Buddha Baker, also out of WAS. He could play Nickel and free safety - its guys like that you want in Woods' system, I would opine. Another WAS guy who had a good senior bowl week - Keith Taylor. CB, 6-3, could play outside or flex inside to safety.
Another CB I noticed from senior bowl week - Benjamin St Juste, Minn. 6-2 and can cover.
It would be great to pick up a pure free safety - someone like Moehrig, Holland - but round 2 on, you have guys like Talanoa Hufanga, Grant, Ar'darius Washington, Paris Ford, Tariq Thompson. I think there are lots of guys with good ceilings at safety in this class.
I only did four rounds, but I think I got the Defense loaded up rather well. That thing offered a TON of trades, I only made one or two. This will be more interesting after Free Agency.
28 Zaven Collins, LB, Tulsa 59 Jaelan Phillips, EDGE, Miami (FL) 89 Tommy Togiai, DT, Ohio State 91 Rodarius Williams, CB, Oklahoma State 99 Kary Vincent Jr., CB, LSU 104 Shaun Wade, S, Ohio State 126 Daelin Hayes, EDGE, Notre Dame
I ended up grabbing Greedy's older brother, and another LSU DB, lol
I admit, I know next to nothing about all of these guys, but what little I read while doing this, I kinda like Phillips. Good size, good production at a big school. He's only like 8 pounds lighter than Myles; he can put that on in no time, and Myles would be a FANTASTIC role model on how to play and how to be a professional.
The LSU cornerback and the OSU safety are both viewed as guys that can play multiple positions. Wade could roll at CB or Safety and even cover the slot, and Vincent, Jr can play slot or wide. It suggests speed and fluidity.
Williams, I grabbed simply because it's Greedy's older brother and the one profile I read said that he could be a slot CB.
Toglai was listed as a solid run stopper that has been growing into a more complete DT.... and that is exactly what we need.
The last guy, Hayes, I know nothing at all about except that Notre Dame's defense was pretty good and he played for them... there wasn't anyone else there that I cared to pick more and probably could have gone offense, but I felt a developmental DE for the rotation would be good.
Shaun Wade at Safety is interesting .. Togiai in the third or fourth would be nice. I don't trust the Edge rush class this year. I also put a LOT more value on a snobber knocker MLB ..
The edge class this year is very weak for teams that play mostly a 4-3 as all the better rushers are small guys who are better suited as 3-4 OLBs. As for Wade I saw a blurb from him somewhere in which he stated that the reason he had a not so good of year was because he had some kind of nagging injury for most of the year so he might be a steal if he drops to the 3rd or 4th rnd like some of these mocks have him going.
There was defiantly a difference in his play between last year and this. The kid will hit ya. Would like to see were he is slotted in the up coming draft. Never envisioned him as your # 1 kind of corrner.
I went secondary heavy as that is the part of the class I'm most familiar with. I also took fliers on senior bowl standouts St-Juste and Brown.
This is far from the favourite draft I had - I really would have preferred Elijah Molden out of Wash as a slot / free safety or D'Wayne Eskridge out of West Mich as an electrfying WR. It is what it is.
Shaun Wade at Safety is interesting .. Togiai in the third or fourth would be nice. I don't trust the Edge rush class this year. I also put a LOT more value on a snobber knocker MLB ..
Wade probably best play safety because he isn't very good at corner based on the limited amount of times I saw him play.
Just to add. Of the edge rushers that would seem to have the size for 4-3 DE, several have red flags ( Rousseau and Phillips). Also a guy that I thought might be a good pick for the Browns. Patrick Jones II, did not look good from what I saw of the Senior Bowl practice highlites. HE did get a sack in the game.
What about Carlos Basham? I remember, at the beginning of the season, he was pretty highly regarded but seems to have slipped.
Shaun Wade at Safety is interesting .. Togiai in the third or fourth would be nice. I don't trust the Edge rush class this year. I also put a LOT more value on a snobber knocker MLB ..
Wade probably best play safety because he isn't very good at corner based on the limited amount of times I saw him play.
He was the slot CB during the '18 and '19 seasons and played really well, enough to receive preseason mention as a possible first round pick for this years NFL draft. He struggled this year after being moved to an outside CB spot but according to Wade he had a nagging injury all year that affected his play.
He was the slot CB during the '18 and '19 seasons and played really well, enough to receive preseason mention as a possible first round pick for this years NFL draft. He struggled this year after being moved to an outside CB spot but according to Wade he had a nagging injury all year that affected his play.
Cool. I guess that explains his being 6 steps behind Devonta Smith all game in the Championship game.
Make no mistake. I think wade is a good player. I just don't think he has the speed to play man coverage, especially in the NFL.
Slot, maybe. Safety, probably, but if he was hobbled by injury, we'll see.
Just from a Browns standpoint, I don't think I would be very excited if we selected him with our 2nd round pick Third would be OK.
So 40's and Vertical leap, etc. will be at each teams Pro Days? I thought a medical check and a few drills along with Interviews would have been Safer then all on their own. NFL dropping the ball on this one.
Oh I guess now we can have the Draft Forum open up???
A couple Michigan players I'm liking in the middle are WR Nico Collins and CB Ambry Thomas.
I think there's 2 elements missing out of our WR core (that big receiver for 50/50 balls and back throw fades...and that all important speed guy) Now Nico is big dude at 6'4 220 with 4.48 speed...He thrives in those big body contested radius catches. With him sitting out 2020, I'm sure he will be a little rusty and it may show on the combine as well...I wouldn't mind him in round 4...His ability to pluck is nice, however still rather raw. Ambry Thomas is another guy to look at as well, He too opted out of 2020 and could be a bargain...Guy has some 4.35 speed too
Also South Carolinas WR Shi Smith reminds me a lot of Jarvis...Admittingly he is faster than Jarvis, and not as physical or thick...More or less, very strong hands, gritty, and plays bigger than their frame.
I do think we need a big target to add to our WR group. Tamorrion Terry WR Florida St.is another big target that had two good years and then was injured / opted out this year.
Maybe late round for depth. I might look at CJ Verdell, Oregon. I just remember him from last season. Although I admittedly did not see many Oregon games.
DPJ is 6'2" and 212. And he looks to have a frame that he can grow a little ... I'm fine with what I saw from him as a big target. Whether OBJ can be the burner I don't know - but I am still tempted to think we would benefit from a 4.30's type burner to take the top off.
A lot of quality players opted out last season. I think that is to our benefit as we pick #26. Somebody really good is going to drop to us because they opted out. Hoping its the edge guy from Miami, Rousseau...I would even move up to get him. JmhWish!
LSU’s Jabril Cox may be the most complete linebacker at the Senior Bowl, with his ability to rush past offensive linemen and drop back into coverage and defend opposing tight ends or inside receivers. Cox can blitz off the edge and is fast enough to get by any offensive linemen. More importantly, at the NFL level, he is a tough defender in coverage, fast enough to stay beside receiving targets while also making plays on the football.
I do think we need a big target to add to our WR group. Tamorrion Terry WR Florida St.is another big target that had two good years and then was injured / opted out this year.
I thought Shi Smith did well in the Senior bowl.
Dontay Demus, Jr., 6'3" and 217 lbs WR out of Maryland.
I told y'all a few years ago that Stephon Diggs out of Maryland was highly undervalued because of the craptastic QBs he had to play with.. well I'm making the same prediction about Dontay Demus, Jr. I'm not saying he's going to lead the NFL in receiving the way Diggs did, but the dude is way better than he is going to get credit for.
I would say that if we do draft a big bodied WR the type of player you are describing is what we are looking for. Someone who flies under the radar due to their QB or supporting cast. Our top picks really need to focus on the D but if there is that diamond in the rough later in the draft you have to pounce.
We'll see what happens leading up to the draft.. Demus is a bit more of a long shot than Diggs was. Demus is also a JR who hasn't officially declared yet (I don't think) and he might benefit from another year in college.
I was trying to figure out why that draft simulator site was all over the place. Their own "predictive" board is wildly different than their own player rankings.
Jabril Cox especially made me laugh. Player ranking as a borderline 1st round guy, predictive board as aa late 3rd??
There has to be a better option (even if it is only fun an games)
I always wanted to create my own version of one of these simulators, but have the "Big Board" be driven by the people who use it. e.g. the more people take Player XYZ at #26, the more he is ranked as being #26. So, even if the rest of the world has a guy ranked in the Top 10, if all the users consistently let the guy drop to the 2nd round, that's where the big board would rank him.
He is the one guy that if he is there I do not see us passing on.
I like JOK on paper better than I do on tape. Don't get me wrong, he has some nice looking highlights. But, he kind of reminds me of an Obi Melifonwu type coming out. He has some nice looking tools, but a lot will depend on where he lands and How he takes to the coaching. I doubt he goes unblocked on blitzes as much as he did in college at the next level without getting better at disguising it. I'm also curious to see how he does in the change of direction drills at his pro day. Depending on who's available when we pick, I wouldn't hate it, but I see some bust potential.
Wow they have us passing on Collins / Moehrig & Barmore !
My thoughts on that are;
I like Collins, but he has never played with his hand in the dirt, so there is much projection there to EDGE ... also he is probably not a good fit for a 43 LBer.
Moehrig might be the top Safety of the class, but he has an early day two grade and a team can probably Draft back and still select him at the top of round two.
I like Collins at the middle lb spot .. Now there seems to be some debate about his speed ; will have to see how that plays out. I liked four guys that I thought might in striking range of 26 . Barmore , Collins , Moehrig and at corrner Jayzee Horn .. This was some time ago before much draft buss was going on.. I see were Horn has become a hot prospect on draft Boards. I just didn't see an Edge at 26.
I like Collins at the middle lb spot .. Now there seems to be some debate about his speed ; will have to see how that plays out. I liked four guys that I thought might in striking range of 26 . Barmore , Collins , Moehrig and at corrner Jayzee Horn .. This was some time ago before much draft buss was going on.. I see were Horn has become a hot prospect on draft Boards. I just didn't see an Edge at 26.
I just don't forsee us (with their draft philosophy) spending a first round selection on the LB position.
The EDGE that might be available (due to medical concerns) to us @ 26 and is still only 21 years old, is Jaelan Phillips, who I think is the top rushing EDGE of this class, but is still a work in progress vs the run and setting the edge.
I would rather see if we can't check EDGE off of our list in FA.
If a CB we like is on the board @ 26 then I see us going there.
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Good stuff bro!
