i totally believe that since the Browns went this route for the head coach... and a young HC that is. they will be making trades in the offseason to stock pile again on draft picks and start over.
Offense: Landry Gone OBJ Gone Njoku Gone
Defense: Garrett Gone Richardson Gone Kirksey Gone Schobert Gone via FA Randall Gone via FA
I love how people assume so much based on people's movements or what they say/do on social media.
What a world we now live in.
Remember the other night OBJ was cruising Cleveland in his pumkinmobile and stated while shopping at the 7-11 that McDaniels was a slam dunk done deal!
I love how people assume so much based on people's movements or what they say/do on social media.
What a world we now live in.
Remember the other night OBJ was cruising Cleveland in his pumkinmobile and stated while shopping at the 7-11 that McDaniels was a slam dunk done deal!
I hope you folks are ready for the "giant sucking sound" your going to hear as all the talent is sucked out of Cleveland.
Landry - Gone OBJ - Gone Hunt - Gone Garret - Gone(he will ask to be traded) Chubb - Gone after next year Shobert - Gone
This team will be right back to where it was in 2017-17 with Sashi Brown.
This is why Landry and Co want out.
The Haslam's don't want to win, if they did they wouldn't do stuff like this.
I fully believe the Haslm's goal is to make the Browns as miserable as possible to the point they won't have any real resistance 8 years or so from now when their lease on Cleveland Staduim expires so they can move the team.
Tehy are already asking for a new staduim with a bunch of property around it in downtown, and thats not going to happen.
Haslam is behind the scenes setting his stage for the move.
I don't know, maybe this is a way out there thought but. Is it possible he just wanted to delete everything off his instagram and the two have nothing to do with each other? Or, maybe he sees this as a fresh start and wanted to start his instagram fresh.
I hope you folks are ready for the "giant sucking sound" your going to hear as all the talent is sucked out of Cleveland.
Landry - Gone OBJ - Gone Hunt - Gone Garret - Gone(he will ask to be traded) Chubb - Gone after next year Shobert - Gone
This team will be right back to where it was in 2017-17 with Sashi Brown.
This is why Landry and Co want out.
The Haslam's don't want to win, if they did they wouldn't do stuff like this.
I fully believe the Haslm's goal is to make the Browns as miserable as possible to the point they won't have any real resistance 8 years or so from now when their lease on Cleveland Staduim expires so they can move the team.
Tehy are already asking for a new staduim with a bunch of property around it in downtown, and thats not going to happen.
Haslam is behind the scenes setting his stage for the move.
Landry - Under contract and is being paid very well. OBJ - I might trade him prior to the draft. Alot of talent this year. Not concerned. Hunt - Possibly. We should have signed him to longer deal after he got back but I think we have his rights next year. Garret - WTF, Why? Chubb - Gone after next year. I think we still have two more years and probably a fifth year option. Not sure. Shobert - OK. Good player but replaceable. Very good chance he was gone no matter who the coach.
OBJ actually met with McDaniels when he was here unlike the other candidates. This is the guy they wanted because they knew he would work.
Take it easy OBJ and Landry, I'll miss you guys
The Vikings receivers had several meltdowns on Stefanski this year....looks bad.
Landry literally deleted EVERYTHING from his account. His wife/girlfriend, his daughter, everything. People think he got hacked.
RELAX.
He didn't get hacked. Hackers don't typically delete things. Hackers hack high profile accounts to hack other people, get them to click on links and unsolicted links in messages to install malware on peoples machines.
Deleting everything off the account makes that much harder as it removes all the authenticity from the account and makes trying to phish people pointless.
OBJ actually met with McDaniels when he was here unlike the other candidates. This is the guy they wanted because they knew he would work.
Take it easy OBJ and Landry, I'll miss you guys
The Vikings receivers had several meltdowns on Stefanski this year....looks bad.
Landry literally deleted EVERYTHING from his account. His wife/girlfriend, his daughter, everything. People think he got hacked.
RELAX.
He didn't get hacked. Hackers don't typically delete things. Hackers hack high profile accounts to hack other people, get them to click on links and unsolicted links in messages to install malware on peoples machines.
Deleting everything off the account makes that much harder as it removes all the authenticity from the account and makes trying to phish people pointless.
Either way. Why delete your wife and daughter if you're pissed at the Browns?
Just like u thought he was overpaid your wrong once again ..
He is a GREAT LEADER ....
Ist off your overreacting .... we have no clue what’s going on .... 2ndly i wouldn’t blame anyone for wanting out .... just like I didn’t blame Mack or Gibson or the others on that list ....
I hope he’s with us ... if he’s hot now hopefully when he calms down he gives Kevin a chance .... Kev’s gonna need players like VG ...
Im not even remotely upset. I expected us to hire this guy. I think its absolutely hilarious!
I knew the minute it was announced Landry and OBJ at the very least would be upset.
Im not emotionally involved in this team anymore, and haven't been since they blew everything up after the 2007 season.
I simply sit back and expect them screw up. Its been Haslam's MO since they got here. I knew they would suck the minute they wouldn't listen to Joe Banner.
Most Browns fans don't realize that Banner was the only chance we had of Haslam making the Browns a winner. Banner built a winner as an executive in Philly, he was the guy that built that FO and hired a young guy like Reid. Banner knew what he was doing, and Haslam didn't like that.
Banner is retired now, if he wanted to get back in the NFL he could have, but he chose not to. Haslam paid him tons of money and he would rather be on TV here and there and chill. Smart guy.
Banner would have fixed Lerner's mess had Haslam been able to just let things play out.
Que the Benny Hill music in 2 years or less Haslam blows this up again and starts over. Its all he knows how to do.
Please understand, I have no hate to KS. He is in a no win situation. He may be a good coach, but he needed to go somewhere where ownership was much more patient to give this guy a chance to grow into the position. He won't get that in here.
The Haslams and the Browns will do KS a diservice by not giving him time. He needs 4 years atleast and we all know Haslam isn't going to give him that kinda time.
This thread isn't Pure Football. Its a KOB rant disguised as a story about a player deleting his Instagram content. It should be moved to the Tailgate so it can sink into obscurity where it belongs.
They have to be licking their chops right now. Stefanski had theilen and diggs running absolutely wild the last two seasons. Only limited by a timid Kirk cousins.
They have to be licking their chops right now. Stefanski had theilen and diggs running absolutely wild the last two seasons. Only limited by a timid Kirk cousins.
Ummmm ... 2 years is irrelevant as he wasn’t the OC and this year Diggs was on the warpath for 1/4 of the season over his usage ... he was livid and Thielan wasn’t happy at all before he got hurt and missed the majority of the season ...
Not poo pooing the hire just wanted to clear that up ...
They have to be licking their chops right now. Stefanski had theilen and diggs running absolutely wild the last two seasons. Only limited by a timid Kirk cousins.
Ummmm ... 2 years is irrelevant as he wasn’t the OC and this year Diggs was on the warpath for 1/4 of the season over his usage ... he was livid and Thielan wasn’t happy at all before he got hurt and missed the majority of the season ...
Not poo pooing the hire just wanted to clear that up ...
Wasn’t their problem more with Cousins not taking chances deep?
No ... go look at his attempts the first 4 - 6 weeks of the year ... they weren’t letting him throw at all then ... *L* ...
At the beginning of the year thielan was whining to the press about his targets and he threw Cousins under the bus also ...
Maybe around the 2/3rd mark of the season after thielan had been out it was Diggs turn ... he was whining about lack of targets for 2 or 3 weeks ...
I was just correcting the info swish put out ... Kev did not have Thielan/Diggs running around wide open this year ... tough to do with thielan since he missed more than he played ...
As for the targets ... who knows who that is on ... was it play design or QB’s preference on how the play unfolded or just bad QBing ...
Damn, they look like they've demanded a trade already. We're doomed.
Also, apparently the money was fake and OBJ did that to mock the NCAA. If true, that's quite funny. I'm always up for a good dig on the NCAA.
yeah, im sure its fake. I work at a bank, I cant say 100% that its fake as I am not handling it, but that doesn't LOOK fake from the video.
FYI, LSU came out and said it was fake. Why would LSU have to comment that it was fake, since it was OBJ handing it out - why would LSU be apart of a joke at the NCAA then? Doesn't add up.
Well then.. If I ever meet you in person.. First thing I'm going to say is "Hi, I'm Billy, Will I get some change ? " and you will say.. " no it's willitevachange "
Damn, they look like they've demanded a trade already. We're doomed.
Also, apparently the money was fake and OBJ did that to mock the NCAA. If true, that's quite funny. I'm always up for a good dig on the NCAA.
yeah, im sure its fake. I work at a bank, I cant say 100% that its fake as I am not handling it, but that doesn't LOOK fake from the video.
FYI, LSU came out and said it was fake. Why would LSU have to comment that it was fake, since it was OBJ handing it out - why would LSU be apart of a joke at the NCAA then? Doesn't add up.
Probably to prevent any thoughts by the NCAA to investigate.
I work at a bank, I cant say 100% that its fake as I am not handling it, but that doesn't LOOK fake from the video.
Kinkos in NOLA does good work.
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Why would LSU have to comment that it was fake, since it was OBJ handing it out
Because he was handing it to LSU players?
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why would LSU be apart of a joke at the NCAA then? Doesn't add up.
I'm pretty sure they were not a part of it.. but if it turned into a mess, it was theirs to clean up.... so they addressed it quickly.
Also, OBJ is a character but anybody who thinks he would put these players and LSU football in jeopardy for years to come isn't really thinking this through.
That's only if you have already reached a conclusion. Unless Burrows actually received the cash, how does he know if it was real?
We're living at a time where people don't let things play out before they reach a conclusion. They base things on a single report, or what one person might say without waiting until all of the evidence is in.
It may be true. But for that to be what transpired, not only would OBJ have to be stupid enough to do this, but every player who accepted the money would have be stupid too.
Giving up your NCAA eligibility for a few bucks when you know cameras and the media is everywhere doesn't add up. When you know everyone around you has a cell phone and it will be posted all over social media, one would think that these players would be smart enough not to take the money if it were real.
Now I'm not saying that's not what happened. What I'm saying is none of that makes sense.
OBJ was out of control. With that said nothing he did harmed anyone. I wish he didn't go nuts but it was basically just a super drunk guy acting super drunk. The whole scene was nuts, welcome to New Orleans, and OBJ just raised it to a whole different level.
Odell is a very good player, and I want him on my team, but he is always causing some kind of distraction. I've never seen a more look at me guy than him.
The only thing I could imagine making this more of an issue is if it is compounded upon other things we aren't privy to that have caused people to look at OBJ as a problem. Clearly, there were issues with him on the field but we don't know to the degree it could have manifested in other ways in Berea during the week, or even before the season.
My point, if this is looked at in a vaccumm, then yes, I agree this is a pretty mild thing. If it is viewed as just another problem in less than one year trading for him, it might be another story.
The problem is, if is the latter, his value is rather low considering what we're paying him, how he performed in 2019, this recent issue, etc. Add his alleged injury along with past injuries, it makes it worse even.
Not sure of the significant return the Browns would get moving on from him, which is why I don't think we will.
That's the funny part about all of this. It's the cop making something out of nothing here. But the fans go wild? And act like the cop isn't the one being stupid.
You just can't lay hands on a police officer. Its a really bad idea. I'm surprised he wasn't cuffed and taken away immediately. The fact that he wasn't indicates the officer didn't want to make a huge deal out of it.
I expect that OBJ will get on a plane, or his lawyer will send a few emails, and this will all go away. My bet is that this cop, and/or someone else in the process, is looking to set up claims for a civil suit to cash out on.
The entire thing is so minimal and petty as to be absurd that someone actually did the paperwork for it.
Pit , I don't see the need to call the Cop a name , or OBJ as far as that goes.. Maybe over the top reaction by the officer ? Don't know wasn't there , and don't know what his instructions are . " Clash of the Cultures " lol Maybe.
Some of us where raised different than others. . Right , wrong ? Dave and I come from the same generation and even the same neighborhood .. You put your hands on a cop back in the day in our World you were toast.
Some of us where raised different than others. . Right , wrong ? Dave and I come from the same generation and even the same neighborhood .. You put your hands on a cop back in the day in our World you were toast.
Just saying !
And that's fine. I came from a time and place where there was a difference in "putting your hands on a cop" and a little light hearted frivolity.
Does the New Orleans mayor really think this is going to be a good look for his police department? Arrest a guy for slapping someone on the butt in a locker room, isn't it expected in a locker room to get butts slapped?
You just can't lay hands on a police officer. Its a really bad idea. I'm surprised he wasn't cuffed and taken away immediately. The fact that he wasn't indicates the officer didn't want to make a huge deal out of it.
Really? On my department that would not even get noticed. Now if it had been a vigorous goosing we might be having a different conversation. I'm more curious about what the guard was jaw boning with one of the LSU players over anyway. I'm going to go with more to this story than we've seen.
Off season incident. As long as it doesn't hamper his performance on field I really don't care.
Its been reported that he's a NOLA policeman, but I don't know if he's a LEO or private security. It doesn't matter. Its just wrong to lay hands on a stranger that way, and really dumb if they're in uniform.
Really? On my department that would not even get noticed. Now if it had been a vigorous goosing we might be having a different conversation. I'm more curious about what the guard was jaw boning with one of the LSU players over anyway. I'm going to go with more to this story than we've seen.
Off season incident. As long as it doesn't hamper his performance on field I really don't care.
I guess some of the players were smoking cigars. The cop got bent out of shape that someone wasn’t following the rules.
Some of tend to take into account that this was in a celebratory, adrenaline filled locker room after a national championship game. An environment of frivolity.
And no less dumb for anyone in uniform to react by pressing charges for something like this.
When it comes to unwanted physical contact with a policeman, you can bet its going to be enforced every single time. A lot of cops would have spun him face first into a wall and cuffed him on the spot. This cop showed restraint. There were no charges until the video showed up on social media yesterday. As soon as the video appeared, he was going to be charged, if only as a deterrant. Take it from the son of a Cleveland policeman. My father would come home with spit on his uniform sometimes that he didn't/couldn't react to because it was in a volatile setting. But once there's physical contact with a cop, its game on.
Really? On my department that would not even get noticed. Now if it had been a vigorous goosing we might be having a different conversation. I'm more curious about what the guard was jaw boning with one of the LSU players over anyway. I'm going to go with more to this story than we've seen.
Off season incident. As long as it doesn't hamper his performance on field I really don't care.
I guess some of the players were smoking cigars. The cop got bent out of shape that someone wasn’t following the rules.
Bringing celebratory cigars into the locker room (I assume they brought them in with them when they got there) is grounds for punishment. Shouldn't jinx it like that before the game.
My father would come home with spit on his uniform sometimes that he didn't/couldn't react to because it was in a volatile setting.
Props and kudos to your dad for being a police officer.
That said - putting your dad being spat on in the same sentence a discussing OBJ slapping this cops butt is flat wrong.
This reminds me of the stuff about Baker ... if someone doesn't like Baker every thing he says and does gets raked over the coals and the hate spills out. Same here with OBJ. . . . As someone just posted in pure football - if this was Gronk or a "zaney" white dude, no-one would say anything.
Was it stupid ? Yes. Dumb ? Yes. What you want your star WR doing? No. . . a big deal? No.
Does the New Orleans mayor really think this is going to be a good look for his police department? Arrest a guy for slapping someone on the butt in a locker room, isn't it expected in a locker room to get butts slapped?
Call me old fashioned, you don't slap a Cop in the butt. If he isn't being arrested for that, maybe for being stupid.
I don't care where you stand on Police Officers, you just don't do that my man.
It's like if you were 9 and slapped the school Principal in the butt....guess what?
Many of these guys talk about disrespect. Well, there you go.
This reminds me of the stuff about Baker ... if someone doesn't like Baker every thing he says and does gets raked over the coals and the hate spills out. Same here with OBJ. . . . As someone just posted in pure football - if this was Gronk or a "zaney" white dude, no-one would say anything.
Baker's not white? This isn't a racial issue. Its a respect issue. There's things you just don't do.
That's odd. An actual member of this board who is a police officer responded on the same subject in Pure Football. He said in his department nothing would have been done.
They're calling this an assault. That's stretching it a bit. I'm a retired police supervisor. I would never have signed off on calling this an assault. It does qualify as obstruction/interfering with police business, but even that, given the situation, is a stretch. OBJ should just have his lawyer negotiate it down to obstruction, pay the fine, and call it a day.
I think he has bigger problems handing out cash to LSU players. I don't have an issue with that either, but the NCAA is going to call that financial gain by college athletes or something stupid.
Some of tend to take into account that this was in a celebratory, adrenaline filled locker room after a national championship game. An environment of frivolity.
Others of us, not so much.
Some do, some say show respect. We need to rid our team of that guy. It's always something with him.
So, maybe groping a few women because things are happy and gay makes it ok?
And no less dumb for anyone in uniform to react by pressing charges for something like this.
When it comes to unwanted physical contact with a policeman, you can bet its going to be enforced every single time. A lot of cops would have spun him face first into a wall and cuffed him on the spot. This cop showed restraint. There were no charges until the video showed up on social media yesterday. As soon as the video appeared, he was going to be charged, if only as a deterrant. Take it from the son of a Cleveland policeman. My father would come home with spit on his uniform sometimes that he didn't/couldn't react to because it was in a volatile setting. But once there's physical contact with a cop, its game on.
This right here 100%. If it wasn't on social media there would be no charges.
Now imagine how this would be played if Gronk did this.
How do you think it would have played out, and why do you think it would have been different if it were Gronk that did this?
Oh that's simple. Because Gronk is thought to be the happy, party guy drunk, whose antics are funny and light hearted. People don't try to find the most sinister motivation behind everything he does when he's acting silly.
My father would come home with spit on his uniform sometimes that he didn't/couldn't react to because it was in a volatile setting.
Props and kudos to your dad for being a police officer.
That said - putting your dad being spat on in the same sentence a discussing OBJ slapping this cops butt is flat wrong.
This reminds me of the stuff about Baker ... if someone doesn't like Baker every thing he says and does gets raked over the coals and the hate spills out. Same here with OBJ. . . . As someone just posted in pure football - if this was Gronk or a "zaney" white dude, no-one would say anything.
Was it stupid ? Yes. Dumb ? Yes. What you want your star WR doing? No. . . a big deal? No.
You just can't lay hands on a police officer. Its a really bad idea. I'm surprised he wasn't cuffed and taken away immediately. The fact that he wasn't indicates the officer didn't want to make a huge deal out of it.
was it an officer or a rent-a-cop?
Quick point: Per New Orleans PD, the accuser is not a New Orleans police officer. He is a security guard with the Superdome.
Some of tend to take into account that this was in a celebratory, adrenaline filled locker room after a national championship game. An environment of frivolity.
Others of us, not so much.
Some do, some say show respect. We need to rid out team of that guy. It's always something with him.
So, maybe groping a few women because things are happy and gay makes it ok?
I think not. If you start to think, you'll agree.
I was going to make this same point... We live in an age where even making a comment about a woman's butt will get you fired, blacklisted and shunned. Yet slapping a cop on the butt should be okay. Wow.
Now imagine how this would be played if Gronk did this.
How do you think it would have played out, and why do you think it would have been different if it were Gronk that did this?
Oh that's simple. Because Gronk is thought to be the happy, party guy drunk, whose antics are funny and light hearted. People don't try to find the most sinister motivation behind everything he does when he's acting silly.
It's all about perception.
Maybe because his antics actually are funny and light hearted? At least that's my impression. If I'm wrong, show me the time he smacks/grabs an on-duty security guard's backside and then taunts him afterwards? I've never seen him do something like that. Then again, I don't really follow the Gronk party scene.
These charges are either going to be dropped, or if the judge decides to be "really super serial" (that's serious for you non-South Park fans) it's going to be a small fine and a slap on the wrist.
The man didn't commit a CRIME. He slapped a security guard on the ass. Whoopitty doo! Unfortunately for him, said security guard apparently has his panties in a wad and decided to press charges (way to go uber douche). Unless he was being belligerent, ignoring orders from the security guy, and became physically aggressive in addition to doing this, it's a nothing burger.
Literally nothing to see here. This will be a long-gone after thought in no time.
The BIGGER issue might actually be OBJ handing out Benjamins to the LSU players after the game. Dude could actually get some punishment for that.
Your idea of what constitutes harassment and mine appear to be entirely different. I wonder how many people who are being so critical of this incident have any clue what it's like in a victorious locker room at a high level? Many act like this happened at a traffic stop on the street.
Oh that's right. It couldn't have been at a traffic stop. The guy isn't even a cop.
This will be a long-gone after thought in no time.
ESPN: "Hold my beer."
By August, they will be characterizing OBJ's offseason antics to include "assaulting a police officer".
Originally Posted By: GraffZ06
The BIGGER issue might actually be OBJ handing out Benjamins to the LSU players after the game. Dude could actually get some punishment for that.
OBJ can't get in any trouble or punishement for that, unless Goodell wants to just start making things up. The NFLPA should have his back in that regard.
ALL of the reporting on this is so overblown and overhyped; it really is ridiculous. These are footnotes, not stories.
Your idea of what constitutes harassment and mine appear to be entirely different. I wonder how many people who are being so critical of this incident have any clue what it's like in a victorious locker room at a high level? Many act like this happened at a traffic stop on the street.
Oh that's right. It couldn't have been at a traffic stop. The guy isn't even a cop.
you are acting like this is just a random thing that happend to a swell guy. nope he has a pattern of being stupid and this is the dumbest. He put his hand on a stranger's ass. If that was a reporter all hell would be breaking loose. it doesn't matter who it was, it could have been a janitor telling them to put the cigar out it would be just as bad.
You folks convincing yourselves that this is a big issue are the same sorts of people that would support a cop pulling people over for doing 56 in a 55.
If you can't handle a pat on the ass, you probably shouldn't be in a post-game lockerrom, lol
You folks convincing yourselves that this is a big issue are the same sorts of people that would support a cop pulling people over for doing 56 in a 55.
If you can't handle a pat on the ass, you probably shouldn't be in a post-game lockerrom, lol
You folks convincing yourselves that this is a big issue are the same sorts of people that would support a cop pulling people over for doing 56 in a 55.
If you can't handle a pat on the ass, you probably shouldn't be in a post-game lockerrom, lol
It seems you get a pass for this line of thinking!?
Imagine that. I agree with you.
A bunch of whiners making a mountain out of a mole hill.
You folks convincing yourselves that this is a big issue are the same sorts of people that would support a cop pulling people over for doing 56 in a 55.
If you can't handle a pat on the ass, you probably shouldn't be in a post-game lockerrom, lol
he was only in there because they were smoking where they shouldn't have been.
You folks convincing yourselves that this is a big issue are the same sorts of people that would support a cop pulling people over for doing 56 in a 55.
If you can't handle a pat on the ass, you probably shouldn't be in a post-game lockerrom, lol
he was only in there because they were smoking where they shouldn't have been.
Damn kids smoking cigars after winning the national championship.
You folks convincing yourselves that this is a big issue are the same sorts of people that would support a cop pulling people over for doing 56 in a 55.
If you can't handle a pat on the ass, you probably shouldn't be in a post-game lockerrom, lol
he was only in there because they were smoking where they shouldn't have been.
Well, it IS the Boy's Room. Where else are they supposed to smoke them?
Adding this so I don’t have to type it repeatedly: No one should be subject to being touched in ways they don’t want to be touched. But controlling your temper as a police officer shouldn’t be so notable that it goes in a report. Doing so should be the expectation.
Oh Lord if I got in trouble every time I tapped a cop on the ass (both male and female) I would have been locked up for a thousand years lol.
Of course the ones I tapped where friends, and what OBJ did was totally wrong so I can't side with him, but jeez folks way to blow things way out of proportion.
Sow me where this actually "deserves" an arrest warrant.
The guy is an off duty police officer? Or is he a security guard?
You know, those guys who often have a chip on their shoulders because they can't make it to becoming a cop?
It deserves an arrest warrant because it blew up on social media. Whole world watching (which is always what OBJ wants) = set a precedent that says it is not okay to put your hands on officers for any reason.
Yes, the dude smacking a reporter was bad. IMO (and go ahead and flame all you want) this is different because she's a she and he's a he. What OBJ did was dumb. Make your apologies (and make them sound good) pay your fine, do a little extra to show you mean it, and everyone can move on.
Sow me where this actually "deserves" an arrest warrant.
The guy is an off duty police officer? Or is he a security guard?
You know, those guys who often have a chip on their shoulders because they can't make it to becoming a cop?
He is a police officer with the Superdome and has full arrest powers.
I don't think it really matters either way, though. Then again I am one who thinks you should treat all people with respect, security guard or police officer, janitor or CEO.
Here's some good life advice for all the young athletes out there: keep your hands to yourself. Don't go grabbing or slapping people's behinds, especially when you don't know them or know how they will react. If you do it with fellow athletes and there's an understanding that it's no big deal during a game or what have you, fine. Don't do it to some random person just doing their job.
If some dude who doesn't know me came up and smacked my butt, and then started taunting me afterward, he'd be lucky to leave with just a broken nose. Some people don't take kindly to that kind of stuff. This police officer happens to be one of them.
Yes, the dude smacking a reporter was bad. IMO (and go ahead and flame all you want) this is different because she's a she and he's a he. What OBJ did was dumb. Make your apologies (and make them sound good) pay your fine, do a little extra to show you mean it, and everyone can move on.
yep just move on... until the next stupid ass thing he does. I'm sure teammates love answering questions about this guys antics...
Maybe they're smart enough to understand the blame belongs to the media and fans who keep making a big deal out of nothing and not OBJ. Some of us already do.
Since you think what OBJ did was no big deal, why don't you do what he did to random people who you've never met?
Kind of brings clarity to the situation, doesn't it? Of course you wouldn't do it though, because you're not a complete moron. Some might take issue with that, though.
Yes, the dude smacking a reporter was bad. IMO (and go ahead and flame all you want) this is different because she's a she and he's a he. What OBJ did was dumb. Make your apologies (and make them sound good) pay your fine, do a little extra to show you mean it, and everyone can move on.
As far as whether this is different because she's a she and he's a he, I don't care to get into all that. Maybe the calm, rational posters in the political section will sort that out.
However, when you say this, "Make your apologies (and make them sound good) pay your fine, do a little extra to show you mean it, and everyone can move on." -- well you only pay a fine if you committed a crime. If you commit a crime of this nature, you're probably going to get arrested. This isn't a speeding ticket.
The above just seems like confirmation for the few of us who are not ok with with OBJ did. Are we really overreacting? I don't see anybody here calling for jail time.
Really? On my department that would not even get noticed.
I'll go with the word of someone who is actually a cop rather than the mob who claims they know better.
It probably wouldn't end up being an issue for mine either. My guess is it probably wouldn't have in this situation either if it weren't for the taunting. Don't forget, we're now in an environment where the social justice groups have managed to intimidate (or infiltrate) police departments that were going to allow people to dumb buckets of water on police officers doing their job in NY.
Sounds like NOPD wasn't going to allow that kind of image to get attached to them.
Technically any unwanted physical touch is an assault. Is this ultimately petty? Yeah, probably. So what? Cops have a fair amount of discretion on how to handle things. If OBJ had given him a "good game" in an attempt to smooth things over, get him to be a part of the celebration, this again likely ends up being a nothing burger. But instead, he relies on his privilege, unnecessarily inserts himself and mocks the guy while technically committing a crime.
The only thing that I have any issue with (and its really not that big) is that here again, we have someone in the Browns organization displaying poor judgement and inserting themselves in to a situation at a time this organization can't afford to be inserted in to any situation. It's like Freddie wearing the stupid T-shirt. In of itself its nothing, but it only adds to the image this organization is a poop show.
We finally have another receiver who can catch the ball!
Lets not ruin a good thing. Please just look the other way this time.
NO, he should respect people and not act like a child every chance he gets. we can go 6-10 just fine without him. Plus Josh Gordon..... we don't need 2 sets of rules for "stars" and "plebs"
We finally have another receiver who can catch the ball!
Lets not ruin a good thing. Please just look the other way this time.
Batman, you'll have to excuse 40. See, 40 is a firefighter and like all fire fighters they envy cops. 40's just jealous the cop got groped by a fine hunk of NFL man meat who was more interested in the handcuffs than a hose dragger.
Really? On my department that would not even get noticed.
I'll go with the word of someone who is actually a cop rather than the mob who claims they know better.
It probably wouldn't end up being an issue for mine either. My guess is it probably wouldn't have in this situation either if it weren't for the taunting. Don't forget, we're now in an environment where the social justice groups have managed to intimidate (or infiltrate) police departments that were going to allow people to dumb buckets of water on police officers doing their job in NY.
Sounds like NOPD wasn't going to allow that kind of image to get attached to them.
Technically any unwanted physical touch is an assault. Is this ultimately petty? Yeah, probably. So what? Cops have a fair amount of discretion on how to handle things. If OBJ had given him a "good game" in an attempt to smooth things over, get him to be a part of the celebration, this again likely ends up being a nothing burger. But instead, he relies on his privilege, unnecessarily inserts himself and mocks the guy while technically committing a crime.
The only thing that I have any issue with (and its really not that big) is that here again, we have someone in the Browns organization displaying poor judgement and inserting themselves in to a situation at a time this organization can't afford to be inserted in to any situation. It's like Freddie wearing the stupid T-shirt. In of itself its nothing, but it only adds to the image this organization is a poop show.
We finally have another receiver who can catch the ball!
Lets not ruin a good thing. Please just look the other way this time.
Batman, you'll have to excuse 40. See, 40 is a firefighter and like all fire fighters they envy cops. 40's just jealous the cop got groped by a fine hunk of NFL man meat who was more interested in the handcuffs than a hose dragger.
We finally have another receiver who can catch the ball!
Lets not ruin a good thing. Please just look the other way this time.
Batman, you'll have to excuse 40. See, 40 is a firefighter and like all fire fighters they envy cops. 40's just jealous the cop got groped by a fine hunk of NFL man meat who was more interested in the handcuffs than a hose dragger.
It all makes sense now
Back when I worked for the FBI, the firefighters would show up sometimes to check out alarms. They were all studs. Every single one of them. *fans self*
Two days ago, video surfaced on social media showing Beckham seemingly mocking and then slapping the buttocks of a uniformed Superdome security guard. On Thursday, the New Orleans police department issued an arrest warrant for Beckham. This development signifies that a police officer (or officers) provided a sworn affidavit concerning the incident. The affidavit referenced sufficient evidence and facts to convince a judge or magistrate that there is probable cause of Beckham committing a crime on the guard.
Beckham is accused of simple battery. Simple battery refers to the intentional use of force on another person. Slapping a person without his or her consent, be it by fist or with an object, is grounds for a battery charge. Under Louisiana law, simple battery is a relatively low-level misdemeanor. It is punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $1,000. However, when serious physical injuries are caused by battery, the charge can be elevated to aggravated battery.
As is often the case, one change in the facts could have altered the aftermath of this incident. Namely, if the uniformed officer had been a police officer, Beckham could face a charge for battery of a police officer. Under Louisiana law, a conviction for battering a police officer—a law enforcement classification that includes not only commissioned police officers but also sheriffs, marshals, correctional officers, constables and parole officers—leads to the defendant spending not less than 15 days, and up to six months, in jail. The jail sentence can’t be suspended, either.
It’s unclear whether Beckham has already complied with the warrant. To comply, Beckham’s attorney would contact relevant authorities. The call would begin a process that would likely include, among other things, the scheduling of an initial court hearing.
So long as Beckham is cooperative, he is unlikely to face jail time. Prosecutors might be willing to agree to pretrial diversion with Beckham. In such an arrangement, the misdemeanor charge would be dropped provided Beckham satisfied other conditions—such as apologizing to the man he slapped, paying a fine, completing an education course and performing community service.
Beckham, who is from Louisiana but has lived in other states, might already be out-of-state. If he is, he’s beyond the reach of Louisiana law enforcement. Their jurisdiction ends at Louisiana’s borders. States can attempt to extradite a charged defendant who is located in another state. Extradition involves a formal request made to a judge or magistrate in the state where the defendant is located. States, however, usually do not pursue extradition for misdemeanors.
Beckham has ongoing reasons to travel to Louisiana. For one, his family resides there. For another, whether or not Beckham’s still welcomed by LSU going forward, he’s a booster of the Tigers football program. Beckham is thus unlikely to avoid Louisiana merely in order to avoid a warrant, particularly for such a low-level offense. Another reason why Beckham will comply: Failure to respond to a warrant can lead to additional criminal charges, including for contempt of court.
Other possible legal fallout
There are at least four other possible legal consequences for Beckham.
First, the guard could sue Beckham for civil battery and intentional infliction of emotional distress. Although the man was not physically hurt, he probably felt degraded and bullied. The fact that the video became public only worsened matters. When coupled with diagnosable mental distress, humiliation can be compensable in a lawsuit. Also, at least based on the video, the man didn’t appear to provoke Beckham. Further, he chose to respond with restraint and didn’t escalate the situation.
Still, a lawsuit is unlikely. The man didn’t seem to suffer any meaningful injuries, outside of perhaps embarrassment and resentment. Also, he probably doesn’t want to belabor the controversy, even if Beckham would be a “deep pocketed” defendant who might be tempted to pay him off. Another reason not to expect a lawsuit: The man was acting within his capacity as a security guard. This arguably means he assumed certain risks as part of his occupation.
Second, the NFL or the Browns could punish Beckham. Under Article 46 of the collective bargaining agreement, Goodell could fine or suspend Beckham for conduct that damages the league’s image. Alternatively, the Browns could punish him for conduct detrimental. While the incident is controversial and reflects poorly on Beckham—especially now with the issuance of an arrest warrant—it probably won’t warrant a league or team punishment. The calculous would be different had Beckham injured the guard.
Third, companies that pay Beckham in endorsement deals could contemplate cutting ties with him. Endorsement contracts typically include morals clauses, which allow an endorsed company to suspend or terminate a deal when the athlete engages in misconduct that damages his or her brand or that of the company. Beckham has signed lucrative deals with Nike and other businesses. Don’t expect them to drop Beckham over the locker room incident—it’s not “bad enough” to trigger that kind of outcome, especially with a star player. Also, companies that do business with Beckham know and accept that he sometimes causes controversy. If they had concerns about his judgment, they probably shouldn’t have signed him to endorsement deals in the first place.
Fourth, and likely of greatest concern to Beckham as a diehard LSU football fan, the athletic department could tell him to stay away. LSU is likely concerned that the NCAA could punish the school for Beckham’s cash-to-players stunt. An NCAA punishment would be more likely if it believes that LSU didn’t adequately monitor Beckham at the championship game. A video of Beckham hitting a security guard in the LSU locker room isn’t going to help LSU credibly maintain that it kept a close eye on him. LSU might help its cause with the NCAA if it tells Beckham to keep his fandom at a distance.
Michael McCann is SI’s Legal Analyst. He is also an attorney and the Director of the Sports and Entertainment Law Institute at the University of New Hampshire Franklin Pierce School of Law.
I am not an officer...and I don't play one on TV... So I will defer much to the officers that have replied.
I am however good friends with many officers including one who was killed on duty a little more than a year ago. And one of the things I have picked up on is the temperament and judgment needed for the job. They know when and how to pick their battles. They know when to be easy, and when to be hard.
As one of my longtime buddies has said, every department has a "Farva" type. The one who jumps a little too quickly to hard-ass. The one who a is a little insecure and over compensates. Feeling as if he always has to prove his toughness. They are usually a headache for their superiors. They are not malicious or evil. Just a bit insecure.
I don't know the officer/guard involved. What I do know is what we see in the video. We know what has been reported. What has been reported is that one of the officers had an issue with the smoking of celebratory cigars in a non smoking facility. The officer's superior has been reported to say that the smoking was not a big deal as long as they kept it to the locker room and he tried to convey that to that officer. It has been reported that the officer involved is the same officer who had an issue with the smoking. And based on the video it is reasonable to interpret the officer as acting a little "hardass" for the situation. Did he show restraint after OBJ smacked him? Sure I guess. But only in the way that he seemed a little too ramped up before that.
Is he a Farva type? I don't know. We have such a small sample size to look at. But if this is the only information we would have. I would lean in that direction. But I also don't necessarily think we as the public need more info. We are not his legal judge or juror. We are not his occupational superior. We do not have and should not have the power to penalize him.
But in this vein. I do think the officer did not use the best temperament and judgement for the situation (in speaking to all the events that led up to this). All that has been reported has been that he was demanding the cigars be extinguished and he was very "hardass". Most of the LEO's I know would have probably said..."Hey guys, do me a favor and put those out until I can get the ok for you to light them up in here."
With that said. OBJ was stupid. He was too caught up in the moment and the emotions therein. Seriously...what was he trying to accomplish? Just stupid.
With THAT said. This is WAY overblown. As things tend to be when discussing OBJ. Caused by, IMO, a lack of judgement and temperament of both guys. I do think the assault charge is a bit much. And as was stated before, it is technically "assault". But it is a bit petty. And also in the vein of most legal matters. "demand the world and settle for Cuba". Overreach on the charge and hope to get something smaller to stick.
He is a cop. He's a police officer employed by the Mercedes-Benz Superdome, not the city of New Orleans. That is the reality of the situation, regardless of how many writers or commentators get it wrong.
Then if the security guard considered it a crime, why didn't he arrest OBJ?
That's not what he did. He went to "the actual police" and filed charges.
My guess is this is more about trying to get money out pf OBJ than anything. If someone with the power to arrest someone is the victim of an actual battery offense, on would think if they felt it was serious, an arrest would have been made. But it wasn't.
No, a security guard is not a cop. A guy that works part time during sporting events isn't a cop. A glorified security guard maybe, but not a cop.
No matter how many times you write this, you're still wrong.
As mentioned, he's a police officer employed by the Mercedes-Benz Superdome. He even wrote in his POLICE REPORT that he would have ARRESTED Beckham, but decided against it due to the jovial nature of the locker room. Security guards do not write police reports, nor do they have the power to arrest someone.
He's what some would call a "rent-a-cop". Then again, imagine how pathetic your argument must be that you apparently think that if it were a "real" police officer (or just a random person on the street) this would be a no-go, but if it's a security guard or rent-a-cop, it must be ok. Sad.
I'm still waiting for someone to respond to my point about doing this to a random person in the street. Do exactly what OBJ did to the police officer. Throw something at them, smack their booty, and taunt them afterward. Make sure to get it on video and share it on social media afterward. Watch what happens.
Even you knuckleheads who are defending OBJ in all of this probably still realize, with your few remaining brain cells, that there's a good chance you'd end up in jail or the hospital if you actually started doing this to real people in the real world.
Then if the security guard considered it a crime, why didn't he arrest OBJ?
That's not what he did. He went to "the actual police" and filed charges.
My guess is this is more about trying to get money out pf OBJ than anything. If someone with the power to arrest someone is the victim of an actual battery offense, on would think if they felt it was serious, an arrest would have been made. But it wasn't.
See above.
Police officers have discretion on whether or not to arrest people. He decided not to at the time and filed charges at a later time.
My guess is this is more about trying to get money out pf OBJ than anything.
I don't necessarily disagree with that.
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If someone with the power to arrest someone is the victim of an actual battery offense, on would think if they felt it was serious, an arrest would have been made.
When I was younger, I was going 85 in a 55 zone, and got pulled over. In PA, that's automatic 30 day suspension. The officer CHOSE to give me a warning. Thank you to her again
My speeding was a serious offense 30+ over. Cant say as the reason to why she let me go, but things happen.
Maybe, in a room full of testosterone coming off a high of a big win, drinking.....he didn't see it being a good idea to raise the issue in fear, IDK - that's speculating, as are you.
We do know, an arrest warrant is out for him. There is video evidence of the incident, and by all accounts he acted like an idiot.
Even you knuckleheads who are defending OBJ in all of this probably still realize, with your few remaining brain cells, that there's a good chance you'd end up in jail or the hospital if you actually started doing this to real people in the real world.
Way to get personal. But that's what people do when they find themselves on the losing end of things.
Here's your problem. You think the locker room atmosphere is "the real world". It's not. But you won't admit the difference.
Even the rent a cop admitted he was in "the jovial nature of the locker room". Then went on to prove he couldn't take a joke.
I can see from your quotes I bolded why you would side with this rent a cop. It seems you can relate to people who lose their cool when it's really not called for.
Even you knuckleheads who are defending OBJ in all of this probably still realize, with your few remaining brain cells, that there's a good chance you'd end up in jail or the hospital if you actually started doing this to real people in the real world.
Way to get personal. But that's what people do when they find themselves on the losing end of things.
Here's your problem. You think the locker room atmosphere is "the real world". It's not. But you won't admit the difference.
Even the rent a cop admitted he was in "the jovial nature of the locker room". Then went on to prove he couldn't take a joke.
I can see from your quotes I bolded why you would side with this rent a cop. It seems you can relate to people who lose their cool when it's really not called for.
You made it personal with the quote that I chose not to quote. You did a similar thing in the other thread we were discussing this. Don't dish it out if you can't take it in return (or better yet, leave politics in the outhouse where it belongs.)
So what you're saying is that what OBJ did would not be acceptable to do to a person in the real world, but it's ok to do to a police officer because OBJ was celebrating a championship with his former team in their locker room? Interesting argument.
I couldn't help but notice your forum signature - The Factory of Sadness.
Imagine having a team full of players you could be proud of. Ones who showed up, knew the playbook cold, worked hard in practice and made things about the TEAM. I bet we could turn that factory of sadness into the factory of happiness pretty soon, but as long as you keep worshipping people like OBJ, it's not going to happen.
Now I know that what OBJ did is not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things. What I'm saying is that he was in the wrong and he can reasonably expect some consequences for it. This is in addition to all his other "look at me" stunts and drama, which were the main reason he was available in the first place! Then the not knowing where to line up-- my goodness. You can't run an effective offense when people don't even know where to line up. These are basics, like 101 level stuff.
Gather round kiddos! Papa Devil is going to give you a quick little legal block. If you feel like you're nodding off, you can go stand at the back of the room to stay awake. There may be a test later...
To my knowledge only a sworn law enforcement officer can actually make an arrest. An arrest being defined as taking someone in to custody and charging them. Even what we often refer to as a "citizens arrest" isn't anything more than one citizen being able to lawfully detain another citizen until the cops get there and make the charges.
Now most people are familiar with your Feds, local cops, deputies, and even campus police. All sworn, all can investigate, all can make arrests and charge people. Campus cops often have an added layer of being able to defer criminal prosecution and referring students to the University for administrative punishments as they may actually be more harsh than the criminal code would be.
What a lot of people probably aren't familiar with are private policing companies. They are sworn police officers, but their jurisdiction is limited to ONLY the property they are contracted to work. For example, one of our larger local malls employs private police. They also have a mix of security guards, but their police handle all the larceny and fraud stuff that goes on there. Once they cross the street however, they no longer have arrest powers. Just like I lose mine once I leave the city limits.
In between all that mess, are armed security guards. Armed rent-a-cops who can't arrest.
So, its wholly possible this guy IS a certified law enforcement officer employed by the venue i.e. a private policing company. Just because he may have described the atmosphere as "jovial" a) doesn't negate that technically a crime was committed and b) is precisely why he didn't try to arrest him right there. Its probably the smartest thing he didn't do actually. Jovial crowds turn pretty nasty pretty quick when you're the buzz kill.
I once was at a Browns game and people were throwing toilet paper on the field, right after the warning was announced. One woman tossed one, and one of the cops came down to escort her out. Over a 100 fans stood up and started booing the cop. Discretion being the better part of valor, he said to hell with it and walked off. Why push the issue over a minor offense when you can get them later minus the 100 "jovial" friends?
Hopefully OBJ moves to quash this quickly: apologize for overstepping, offer the dude a pair of okay LSU tickets, and be done with it before Stefanski or the team has to assert itself. A good leader should be prepared to handle discipline issues at any time, but the ideal is for everyone involved to start with a clean slate.
Here in the real world, I have said that what he did was not a huge deal in the grand scheme things, there shouldn't be jail time, etc.
Just because I don't think someone should get off scot-free with what OBJ did (it is on video and the victim wanted to press charges) doesn't mean I think he should "hang in the public square", as Swish completely made up.
oobernoober said in one of these threads, "What OBJ did was dumb. Make your apologies (and make them sound good) pay your fine, do a little extra to show you mean it, and everyone can move on."
That seems reasonable enough to me. You can't just go around smacking people's butts without their consent. Do people truly not understand this concept? I honestly think some people didn't even watch the video. They talk like it was just some celebratory smack after a win.
First of all, OBJ wasn't even in the game, and it was not a celebratory smack but a taunting one. OBJ threw something at the police officer and then taunted him after smacking his behind. Again, do this to someone in real life and watch what happens. Better yet, do it to a police officer and get it on tape while you're at it.
You made it personal with the quote that I chose not to quote. You did a similar thing in the other thread we were discussing this. Don't dish it out if you can't take it in return (or better yet, leave politics in the outhouse where it belongs.)
I know you feel like pointing out the double standard many people are exhibiting is a political thing since you wish to avoid the subject.
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So what you're saying is that what OBJ did would not be acceptable to do to a person in the real world, but it's ok to do to a police officer because OBJ was celebrating a championship with his former team in their locker room? Interesting argument.
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Then things got ... weird. A celebration that started with Beckham handing out $100 bills to still-in-uniform LSU players has led to an arrest warrant for simple battery after slapping a security guard’s behind.
3. Beckham slapped a security guard’s butt in the LSU locker room
A security guard drew Beckham’s attention after telling offensive lineman Damien Lewis to extinguish his cigar. The Browns’ wideout slapped him square on the behind moments later.
I'm saying that circumstances actually mean something. I'm saying you have a one size fits all analogy without taking any other factors into consideration. I'm saying you don't understand any of that.
Ever consider that the person who responded for comment from the NOPD was not aware of the employment arrangement between the officer and the Superdome?
Read Devil's post above. You might find it informative.
No, a security guard is not a cop. A guy that works part time during sporting events isn't a cop. A glorified security guard maybe, but not a cop.
No matter how many times you write this, you're still wrong.
As mentioned, he's a police officer employed by the Mercedes-Benz Superdome. He even wrote in his POLICE REPORT that he would have ARRESTED Beckham, but decided against it due to the jovial nature of the locker room. Security guards do not write police reports, nor do they have the power to arrest someone.
He's what some would call a "rent-a-cop". Then again, imagine how pathetic your argument must be that you apparently think that if it were a "real" police officer (or just a random person on the street) this would be a no-go, but if it's a security guard or rent-a-cop, it must be ok. Sad.
I'm still waiting for someone to respond to my point about doing this to a random person in the street. Do exactly what OBJ did to the police officer. Throw something at them, smack their booty, and taunt them afterward. Make sure to get it on video and share it on social media afterward. Watch what happens.
Even you knuckleheads who are defending OBJ in all of this probably still realize, with your few remaining brain cells, that there's a good chance you'd end up in jail or the hospital if you actually started doing this to real people in the real world.
As Chief of Public Safety for SMG Managed Facilities in New Orleans, Donald Paisant is responsible for all the security on a large campus that includes the Mercedes Benz Superdome, the Smoothie King Center and Champions Square. One of SMG’s security assets is an armed public safety security force. “These people are in police-type uniforms and are commissioned by the superintendent of police of the New Orleans Police Department,” says Paisant. “They have arrest powers on our campus while they’re working, similar to a college campus police force. The NOPD will back us up and do any follow-up investigations.”
SMG is a private company that manages public facilities and is hired by LSED to run sports venues to provide everything from security to housekeeping to field crew personnel. “We run it all, book the talent, book the events and work with the clients,” Paisant says. https://www.securitymagazine.com/articles/86734-donald-paisant-security-with-a-smile
Ever consider that the person who responded for comment from the NOPD was not aware of the employment arrangement between the officer and the Superdome?
Read Devil's post above. You might find it informative.
It seems you are the one who missed how he explained the difference in a security guard and a private police force.
And did you ever consider the person chosen as the NOPD spokesperson was correct? Because police departments rarely just let anybody respond the media.
Then if the security guard considered it a crime, why didn't he arrest OBJ?
That's not what he did. He went to "the actual police" and filed charges.
My guess is this is more about trying to get money out pf OBJ than anything. If someone with the power to arrest someone is the victim of an actual battery offense, on would think if they felt it was serious, an arrest would have been made. But it wasn't.
I understand your thinking, but you are wrong. There are lots of private policing agency's. College's have their campus police as an example. Utilities have their private police guarding nuclear plants. These people have full authority over their domain.
Not me. I think they're human just like everyone else. As such, with any large group of people you'll have both good and bad among their ranks.
In my experience I've ran into a lot more good ones than bad ones.
Not every police department is ran the same either. I'm sure, once again like anything ran by humans, some departments have a higher ratio of good cops than bad ones. Some may have more bad ones than good ones.
Any time the human element is involved there are variables.
And when it comes to rent a cops, or "private police forces", they're pretty much the leftovers of people who couldn't make it or even qualify as "real cops". So that's a variable I would say may make the ratio far worse.
I agree. I never thought it should go to court, but it could have. I still think OBJ a jerk do doing that.
His agent and the officer probably came to a settlement. How about a signed LSU jersey and a gift card...go buy yourself a nice big screen and surround sound.
I agree. I never thought it should go to court, but it could have. I still think OBJ a jerk do doing that.
His agent and the officer probably came to a settlement. How about a signed LSU jersey and a gift card...go buy yourself a nice big screen and surround sound.
however it went down I just hope OBJ learned whatever lessons there were for him to learn and that's the end of it.
I agree. I never thought it should go to court, but it could have. I still think OBJ a jerk do doing that.
I agree with you on all counts.
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His agent and the officer probably came to a settlement. How about a signed LSU jersey and a gift card...go buy yourself a nice big screen and surround sound.
I would say something along those lines was the intention all along.
Then again, his employer may have seen all the fallout about the incident and felt it wasn't a good look. Maybe in hind sight the guy saw how petty and dumb it all looked.
I agree... I personally don't not want anyone slapping my but except my wife... but I don't think I would go so far as to press charges in this situation.... I could see myself trying to talk to ihim privately (probably the next day)... but I can't imagine pressing charges for just a slap
I probably wouldn't either, then again, it is a respect thing.
Anyway, the guy is a turkey. I hope we trade him for a mid 1st rounder. Maybe a straight up deal for a player at a position of need.
There's a lot around OBJ I could do without, but I'm not quite ready to trade him. Last year we had a team with very players who had to have their heads on strait.
OBJ is a weapon that scares the heck out of opposing teams. If he's healthy and his head is in the game he's a huge asset. Our new HC should sit down with OBJ have a long talk and tell him what it is and what he expects. If Kevin S. doesn't like the answer than he takes it from there. Our new HC is an offensive guy whom I'm sure would want a weapon like OBJ on his team along with everyone else we have on O. If we make the right moves in FA and the draft we can have a top 3 or 4 O in 2020. Most of the tools are here now.
It's a funny thing. I saw more people sticking up for a guy like Gordon than I do for OBJ.
I'm certainly not going to stick up for his bad behavior, but good God, you would think he attacked a 16 year old girl on Twitter.
You know .... that's very true.
I like OBJ, and I hope he is insanely successful here next year ... and that his best friend is too.
I think that OBJ was largely on his best behavior last year. He didn't raise a stink over touches. He didn't complain that we didn't throw the ball enough. He was a well behaved member of the team.
It's a funny thing. I saw more people sticking up for a guy like Gordon than I do for OBJ.
I'm certainly not going to stick up for his bad behavior, but good God, you would think he attacked a 16 year old girl on Twitter.
Yeah, and I don't know how to really explain that? Except may be to say that a WR coming in to Cleveland of all places and throwing up a 1600 yrd season who looked like he couldn't be stopped got him got him that benefit of the doubt that ultra elite talent gets you?
And why OBJ might not be given that same benefit of the doubt could simply because everyone is worn out. We're all worn out even if it's different things we have less tolerance for. Think about it:
-Those who support the nerds are tired of the football guys egos getting in the way -Those who support the football guys are tired of the nerds meddling in real football -we just came off of a season that had expectations hire than we deserved going in to it, but by the end of it under performed what it was capable of largely because of a lack of focus and discipline. -all in contrast to a guy like Chubb who I'm pretty confident in saying most Browns fans tuned in the last few weeks to watch him more so than the rest of the team.
And I don't know, maybe wear we live geographically plays a part. Maybe being closer to Cleveland makes it easier to deal with it all because you're surrounded by other miserable wretches. Fans like me are on an island and constantly get pity looks or ridicule (though it's been bad so long no one bothers with ridicule).
I was impressed with his patience. Not so much with his routes and production, but his behavior was good. I give Landry credit for that in no small part.
How long does hernia/core muscle surgery take to make a full recovery from? I assume he'd be able to take part in offseason activities, if he chooses to that is.
How long does hernia/core muscle surgery take to make a full recovery from? I assume he'd be able to take part in offseason activities, if he chooses to that is.
PatMcManamon @PatMcManamon Beckham went to the top expert in the country on the problem, Dr. Bill Meyers in Philadelphia. (Meyers bans the words "sports hernia"). Full recovery expected but no timetable given on rehab, etc. #Browns
How long does hernia/core muscle surgery take to make a full recovery from? I assume he'd be able to take part in offseason activities, if he chooses to that is.
