I'm sure you've all heard, and I know that I told myself I wouldn't post it up here because I'm tired of the Hue debates, but this article reveals a little extra wrinkle to the 'why now?' question of Hue's comments in the last couple days.
If he had said something prior to the completion of the 2020 season, he'd be at risk of losing the money the Browns are paying him as part of his buyout. As the article points out, usually the affected person has moved on and has no axe left to grind, but that apparently isn't the case here.
I didn't take the time to look into what he said and didn't say. Honestly, it's not worth the time. We're finally done paying him for 1-31 right when a rookie HC has turned around the offense and the team and led us to a playoff appearance and win (vs our most hated rivals, at that), with Sashi's protege leading the FO. The fact Hue is still out for blood (book deal or no) says more about Hue Jackson than anything else.
That said, and as I've said before, while the 1-31 record of the head coach does speak for itself, I do think he also got a bad break here. His allegation that they pulled a bait-switch regarding analytics vs football-guy doesn't really resonate because Sashi and Depo were already here when he was hired, but he inherited a roster that was already a mess and THEN the FO dropped it off a cliff. I do feel for Hue a tiny bit, but I am SO glad he's gone. The article even pointed out that Freddie was able to guide this team to more wins in 1 season than Hue did in 2.
Hue Jackson, A Person In The Rear View Mirror For The Cleveland Browns
Hue Jackson has found his way into the media again. Jackson has more tales of his time in Cleveland, despite being in the rear view mirror of a team that has done a complete 360 since his tenure.
The Cleveland Browns are a few months removed from their first playoff win in a couple of decades and are on track to do even more in the near future. Somehow, former coach Hue Jackson continues to find his way into the mix with his stories from times when he was the head coach.
Jackson, who was 3-36 as the Browns head coach had a lot to say about the Browns and the organization as a whole.
"There is no doubt I was lied to by ownership and the executive team," Jackson said on his interview with ESPN 850 radio station.
“They were going to be football plus analytics, but they intentionally made it football versus analytics.”
Fair to say that Jackson didn’t like the idea of analytics as a whole. In a fair viewpoint analytics is taking over every sport just about, rightfully so for the most part. Deep analysis have a heavy favorite of being correct if the research is right.
Jackson is going to be releasing a book at some point that will revolve around his time in Cleveland. He has pointed that out any time he’s been given a platform, looking for a boost in sales potentially.
"I want to make sure everybody knows and understands exactly what went on in Cleveland,”Jackson said. "The truth needs to come out. I’m tired of being the brunt of jokes and memes and things that people say when they don't know.''
Jackson was not good before he came to Cleveland, the Raiders weren’t good his one season in Oakland. Dating back to when Jackson was the Browns’ head coach, he has never really been able to take accountability, instead someone else goes under the bus.
From the handling of the Deshone Kizer situation, Hue Jackson never really gave the kid a chance.
Jackson to this day wonders why Baker Mayfield isn’t very fond of him.
"To this day, I'll never understand it. I was part of the reason he was the No. 1 pick. I didn't spend a lot of time with Bake, we had a QB coach and coordinator.”
The Browns did indeed have assistants, but a head coach admitting he didn’t have much involvement in his quarterbacks rookie season is a tragedy in it’s own right.
Mayfield was the best quarterback on the roster, but Tyrod Taylor started for the Cleveland Browns. Jackson would have continued starting Taylor if it weren’t for the injury he suffered against the New York Jets.
Jackson handled the running back situation wrong in the same year. Carlos Hyde was the lead back for the Browns, despite Nick Chubb being the better player the moment he was drafted. Luckily, John Dorsey traded Carlos Hyde so it left Jackson no choice besides playing Chubb.
In his rookie season Chubb still had 996 yards, despite just the nine starts. Chubb showed enough in limited snaps through those first few games for the team to know he was the guy. Well, besides the head coach who still started Hyde.
Jackson says he was given a contract extension at a point in which he was 1-23 as the team’s head coach.
"I think we can all understand and think why it was not made public,'' jackson said. "Because it would've really set the tempo for what exactly was going on there.''
It’s possible Jackson was given an extension. Perhaps the Browns thought he would be better. In the end they fired him when he was 2-5-1 in 2018. One of the better moves the team has made over the last few years.
There is no telling what Jackson is exactly trying to achieve by his stories of the times in Cleveland. Some could be true, a lot of it comes off as a person that struggles with taking responsibility. In the end the Browns are in a much better place than they were with Hue Jackson and then Freddie Kitchens. Jackson knew he was working with a team in a rebuild, a team he did no favors for with his way of coaching. Leaving Jackson in the past is the best route to go, Cleveland is into much better days and that includes finally having their head coach.
Can't believe there are still some on here that try to take his side over Sashi.
A couple points:
1. How can he say he didn't realize analytics were going to be so prominent in the Browns organization? We only hired the guy who "Moneyball" was based on days before they hired him...
2. How can he say he was the "fall" guy? If anyone was the "fall" guy, it was Sashi, who got fired way before Hue. We actually gave Hue a 3rd chance!
3. He finally admits that the AJ McCarron deal was his idea, and Sashi botched it - thankfully. And he acts like it wasn't a totally asinine idea to trade a 2nd and 3rd for AJ...really?
4. He blames the drafts and says that most of those players aren't in the league anymore...Totally false - our drafts weren't amazing but they weren't horrible either. A lot of guys blossomed after they got away from Hue, like Ogbah and Nassib. He mismanaged a lot of things even when he got the amazing draft class of 2018.
Hue = a lying turd who never takes responsibility for anything - pretty much like Trump. The whole rebuilding plan was screwed as soon as Hue was hired; he didn't have the right personality or mindset for it.
Hue has always had a problem keeping his mouth shut. It’s most likely the reason he doesn’t have a job. How can you hire a guy who will throw players under the bus and leak everything? He is 100% qualified to be a position coach in the league, he’s just so unlikeable that no, besides Marvin Lewis, one wants to work with him.
I think he knew what he was getting into, I think he wanted to be a head coach again so bad after his firing from the Raiders that he thought he could still win knowing the team was in tear down mode.
as mentioned in the article, the big thing I remember was his insistence on playing Carlos Hyde over Nick Chubb so that Dorsey had to trade Hyde away. I am sure that was Sashi's fault also.
Did not realize he had little involvement with Baker. I really don't know if this is common for NFL head coaches or not but it stuns me for a team to invest in a QB as the first overall pick and have the HC do this. Especailly a HC who was heralded for his offensive mindset.
Did not realize he had little involvement with Baker. I really don't know if this is common for NFL head coaches or not but it stuns me for a team to invest in a QB as the first overall pick and have the HC do this. Especailly a HC who was heralded for his offensive mindset.
Did not realize he had little involvement with Baker. I really don't know if this is common for NFL head coaches or not but it stuns me for a team to invest in a QB as the first overall pick and have the HC do this. Especailly a HC who was heralded for his offensive mindset.
This.
"I never really interacted with Baker. We had an offensive coordinator and a QB coach."
Did not realize he had little involvement with Baker. I really don't know if this is common for NFL head coaches or not but it stuns me for a team to invest in a QB as the first overall pick and have the HC do this. Especailly a HC who was heralded for his offensive mindset.
This.
Just goes to show how important a coach is and could explain how some draft picks can become busts. A front office or coach can not like a player they either didn't draft or was "their player".
"I never really interacted with Baker. We had an offensive coordinator and a QB coach."
It's not about taking Hue's side over Sashi's. They both sucked.
...and they both should have been shown the door before the season started....yet there were a few here that wanted to keep Hue and "see what he can do with better players". Good God, he had the worst record in NFL history and some still wanted to see more. Remember that?
So he spent little time with his future franchise QB and started an aging Carlos Hyde over Nick Chubb until his GM forced him to start Chubb.... those two tidbits ALONE are reasons he failed as a HC...
If we had to go through all that crap to get Stefanski then it was worth it...
I didn't want Hue to be the HC that last season (at least I don't remember wanting him to).... once he started that third season I thought we'd be at least decent... we were garbage and he refused to play his best players...
he's garbage... he's won 20% of his games.... and blames the front office...
yet there were a few here that wanted to keep Hue and "see what he can do with better players". Good God, he had the worst record in NFL history and some still wanted to see more. Remember that? wink
I'll admit. I was one of them. Given his results in Cinci, and the fact the Browns were/would've been a dumpster fire even without Hue during his time here, I thought he'd do better coming out the other side of a teardown and rebuild.
He got some really bad breaks as a head coach here ..... but he also pulled the roof down on his own head. I think that he got beat up badly in his 1st 2 years here ..... and by year 3 he was paranoid and scared that every move he had to make could be his last.
Re: his year 3... and people did point it out above... but DAMN does it look bad starting Hyde and Tyrod Taylor over Chubb and Baker. It looked bad when each took their starting spots that season, but it looks horrific now (from a coaching decision standpoint).
...and they both should have been shown the door before the season started....yet there were a few here that wanted to keep Hue and "see what he can do with better players". Good God, he had the worst record in NFL history and some still wanted to see more. Remember that?
Sure I do. Given talent he still couldn't do anything. I have no idea what your point was unless you're just relishing in the fact how badly the Browns sucked until we got Dorsey.
He's having trouble swallowing the title of "All-Time Worst NFL Head Coach".
Own it, Huey!
Hue had everything that a new NFL HC could ask for... ....Hue had the best owner in the NFL supporting him, right? ....Hue had the best GM, right? ....Hue had the best 'management/draft team' a HC could want, right?
He's having trouble swallowing the title of "All-Time Worst NFL Head Coach".
Own it, Huey!
Hue had everything that a new NFL HC could ask for... ....Hue had the best owner in the NFL supporting him, right? ....Hue had the best GM, right? ....Hue had the best 'management/draft team' a HC could want, right?
I did think long and hard about hitting submit on this thread. Believe it or not, I am of the same belief as you. It really came down to whether I let a clever thread title go to waste or not. :-p
There were also a couple small, somewhat interesting tidbits of info in the articles that came out (the 'secret' extension, his being paid through the 2020 season). I also felt somewhat vindicated by the vast majority of articles calling the latest Hue interview as it was. It's not often you see the majority of news outlets speak with this level of candor.
Jackson to this day wonders why Baker Mayfield isn’t very fond of him.
"To this day, I'll never understand it. I was part of the reason he was the No. 1 pick. I didn't spend a lot of time with Bake, we had a QB coach and coordinator.”
Can anyone tell me what the heck this is supposed to mean?
He wonders why Baker doesn't like him, takes credit for getting Baker here, then admits to having minimal interaction with him...
Is he seriously saying Baker (and I'd guess the rest of us fans by extension) should be greatful he coached the team to such a craptastic season it earned us the #1 Pick to spend?
Sheesh
I think one would need a Doctorate in Huetonian Physics in order to understand this clown
From head coach in the NFL to the offensive coordinator on the Ohio Valley Conference. Really though this is not a bad landing spot for Hue’s first job.
Awe, still sticking up for a guy who couldn't get another job in football. It has to tear you up that Hue got another shot at being a coach in football while Sashi is still not able to get another FO job at any level in football.
Awe, still sticking up for a guy who couldn't get another job in football. It has to tear you up that Hue got another shot at being a coach in football while Sashi is still not able to get another FO job at any level in football.
Bitter much?
Did he try? I mean if it turned out Sashi ended up being the manager of a string of under performing Pizza Huts, then ok I could see mocking his "fall from grace"... but collecting $$ from 3 different NBA teams? Doesn't sound too bad to me.
Trying to mock Sashi for working in another pro sports league would be like mocking DePo for coming to football "He was so good in baseball that no other MLB team would hire him"".
I am as well. I find it hilarious that people try to compare the level of sucktitude. But as the facts point out, this will be Hue's second job in football since he left here. Something people seem to have a problem coming to grips with.
I'm just disappointed that no one used a similar title when Hue was rehired by Cincinnati ... it could have been "Huey and Lewis in the news" ........
As for Hue Jackson ...... he failed here. I am glad the team has moved on, and that we have our current front office and coaching staff in place.
I gave up. When it was rumored that Ray Horton might be coming back I posted "If Horton hears a Hue..." and it got zero play. No thumbs up or quotes. I was impressed with myself for the Dr. Suess reference but, I guess Dawgs never read a book or somethin.
I find it hilarious that people try to compare the level of sucktitude.
You must do a lot of laughing at yourself then, because you've been trying to convince people that Sashi sucks more than Hue for several years now.....even though they were both horrid and both should have been canned at 1-31.
I am as well. I find it hilarious that people try to compare the level of sucktitude. But as the facts point out, this will be Hue's second job in football since he left here. Something people seem to have a problem coming to grips with.
Yep the facts point that the only NFL team that would give Hue, an ex-NFL head coach, a job was his old buddy Marvin Lewis, now he's hoping to get a coordinator job with a low level college team. While Sashi a "sports attorney" is currently in charge of NBA team, a WNBA team, and a G-league team.
The WNBA who loses money every year and what the hell is the G league?
Everyone claimed he played an important part in our FO. Not "just a corporate lawyer". Until that suddenly didn't work out so well for them. lmao
So because the WNBA is losing money that is Sashi's fault? The G-league is the NBA's developmental league. Sashi negotiated contracts with the players and was in charge of the salary cap till he took on job of overseeing the entire football operations. Which by the way was only because nobody with any competence wanted it and it was already determined that the team needed to be tore down and rebuilt.
So he got the job here by default because nobody competent wanted the job. We agree.
Did you ever notice how you are here in a "Hue sucks thread" defending someone else who sucked too? I wonder where all of the "Sashi sucks threads" are?
So he got the job here by default because nobody competent wanted the job. We agree.
Did you ever notice how you are here in a "Hue sucks thread" defending someone else who sucked too? I wonder where all of the "Sashi sucks threads" are?
No, he already had a job here, he took on the "GM" role because nobody wanted it. I don't think Sashi sucked, don't think he was great either, just competent at his job. Hue on the other hand sucked, takes all the credit when things go well and blames others when things don't and has an ego so big that he wants to be in control of everything, which is why the Raiders fired him after having a decent year in 2011.
If you don't think Sashi sucked at his job too I don't think you were paying attention.
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Sashi negotiated contracts with the players and was in charge of the salary cap till he took on job of overseeing the entire football operations. Which by the way was only because nobody with any competence wanted it
I'll be honest, this thread lasted a lot longer than I feared it would before it descended into the usual Hue vs Sashi stuff.
I don't even see why we need to debate this anymore, or even drop stupid little inferences. We don't have to ever worry about either, as they've been banished to their respective corners of sports leadership/management. Plus, the debate was emphatically ended (imo) when that long ESPN came out a couple years after all were fired. It concluded that it was more Haslam's fault than anyone else.
If you don't think Sashi sucked at his job too I don't think you were paying attention.
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Sashi negotiated contracts with the players and was in charge of the salary cap till he took on job of overseeing the entire football operations. Which by the way was only because nobody with any competence wanted it
Just remember, you're the one who said this.
I know i said that, Sashi was fine being the team's attorney he took on the "GM role" because the Browns were having trouble finding a competent GM and they also knew they needed to rebuild. So how does that mean Sashi sucked at his job?
I'm just disappointed that no one used a similar title when Hue was rehired by Cincinnati ... it could have been "Huey and Lewis in the news" ........
As for Hue Jackson ...... he failed here. I am glad the team has moved on, and that we have our current front office and coaching staff in place.
I gave up. When it was rumored that Ray Horton might be coming back I posted "If Horton hears a Hue..." and it got zero play. No thumbs up or quotes. I was impressed with myself for the Dr. Suess reference but, I guess Dawgs never read a book or somethin.
I was really proud of that too
It is probably a good thing I did not see that Horton Hue comment. I am guessing whatever I was eating/drinking at the time would have been shot out my nose and across the room. Must have missed that Devil. Great line.
It was a big local news story yesterday, in Columbus, that Eddie George got hired as the coach of Tenn. St. so he must have been hired yesterday or this week.
I guess we get the local news we get. Ohio State obsessed.
Dude, because nobody else competent wanted the job does not mean that Sashi wasn't competent. If you work at a factory as a assembler and the factory is hiring for a machinist but can't find one so they let you do the job does that mean your incompetent too even though you didn't originally apply for that job?
" In his mind he was the only thing good in Cleveland." ??
I'm a fan of the team that won a playoff game and went on to play Kansas City in the next round.
He was the HC of a year where they went winless after a year of winning once, jumped into lake Erie, and the whole situation became a joke of outrageous proportions.
Sashi was fired because he did not draft Wentz or Watson, or find a legitimate QB after the Manziel fiasco. He said his job was to find a QB and he failed.
Sashi negotiated contracts with the players and was in charge of the salary cap till he took on job of overseeing the entire football operations. Which by the way was only because nobody with any competence wanted it and it was already determined that the team needed to be tore down and rebuilt.
