Boy-oh-boy-oh-boy.... I'm not gonna lie to ya'll here: I'm somewhat expecting another calamity today, or something close to it. I hope I'm wrong.
...I guess I still haven't recovered from last week!?!
Please, please, Johnny be good!
i so miss 6-3..oh well
im ready for better qb play
This is probably going to get ugly fast. Stewart is on a tear right now and we can't stop the run. Joe Haden isn't playing.... our secondary is now in the same boat as the rest of our D. Injured and undermanned. Add inn a rookie QB and an porous offensive line and it doesn't look good.....
Let's just hope for some type of effort, ANY type of effort from our squad today.
The panthers still have a huge shot at making the playoffs, they are gonna be serious about this.
So let's see what Manziel has today.
After the LaCanfora report I don't see the team giving any effort.
Johnny Win, or Johnny Fail... whose it going to be?
johnny win. I think today he will show why we drafted him.
Without the 'must win' pressure that was there last week and hopefully a wake-up call on how tough it is execute plays at this level, I'd expect to see J.M. [no Johnny Football until you show you can win :)] show a decent amount of improvement...If we see the same horrendous mechanics & breakdowns as last week then we are in tough shape.
One thing I want to see is how his Leadership skills are when there is nothing left to play for and how he pushes the huddle and keeps the Offense engaged and focused. Will the team rally around him today?
LETS GO BROWNS !!!!!! I want win number 8 today
Basically that he had a horrible week of practice up till the game last week. He said that he looked unsure and nervous running with the first team, his footwork and pocket presence was bad. Pretty much everything we saw last week.
They have a defense, we don't. And now that Haden is out that's even more so.... They have a running game, we don't. Since Mack went down we are worst in the league in YPC. They have a veteran QB we have a rookie... They are set in their offense, for some reason we seem to want to change everything for Johnny instead of having him run the O we've ran all year.
It's of course possible we could eek out a win. Hoever, it's highly unlikely.
Could Stewart get the single game rushing record today?
Here is the link to the article:
'Signs of Johnny Manziel's struggles evident in poor practice outings'
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jaso...ractice-outings
Who's starting at RB? West or Crowell?
Ahhhh ok thanks.
Well, let's hope this was just a case of the nerves getting the best of him this time.
Hopefully it's to a bare minimum today.
On KNR it sounded like Crowell was going to busy today
Ahhhh ok thanks.
Well, let's hope this was just a case of the nerves getting the best of him this time.
Hopefully it's to a bare minimum today.
It's a pretty good article, I posted it under the Johnny Manziel discussion in the Pure Football forum. Some of the posters think it's nothing but sour grapes by the writer.
I didn't know the Panthers were 5-8 & 1. Hmmmmmmmm
sweet, gotta love the ol diffur
Why is lanning kicking off lmao
Ahhhh ok thanks.
Well, let's hope this was just a case of the nerves getting the best of him this time.
Hopefully it's to a bare minimum today.
It's a pretty good article, I posted it under the Johnny Manziel discussion in the Pure Football forum. Some of the posters think it's nothing but sour grapes by the writer.
What??? The JFF lovers on the board would think the writer was lying?
At least Dansby is playing again!
Go figure their first run is a gasher...
Ahhhh ok thanks.
Well, let's hope this was just a case of the nerves getting the best of him this time.
Hopefully it's to a bare minimum today.
It's a pretty good article, I posted it under the Johnny Manziel discussion in the Pure Football forum. Some of the posters think it's nothing but sour grapes by the writer.
What??? The JFF lovers on the board would think the writer was lying?
You know what they say: 'Denial always comes first.'
Newton looked incredibly slow...
All day to throw, just picked up the easiest first down of his life
If Carolina is smart they never throw it today on this Clown's defense
Oh god, Tom McCarthy is announcing?! I already have to listen to him on Phillies TV broadcasts!
Newton looked incredibly slow...
Nevermind... he looks fast hahaha.. designed QB scramble. Guess bad back is a non factor.
You know what they say: 'Denial always comes first.'
I thought that was a river in Egypt....
So... Are they gonna score opening drive?
Damn Nelson should have had that INT...
Great play by both our inside backers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do we always defer to the second half? Can't we come out on offense and try to set the tone instead starting in an obvious hole??
Wow we actually tackled a RB for a loss.... amazing.
SHANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE SHANKED IT! CUNDIFF STYLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do we always defer to the second half? Can't we come out on offense and try to set the tone instead starting in an obvious hole??
Was that Cundiff????
Weathered the first storm!
Nice kick!
Why do we always defer to the second half? Can't we come out on offense and try to set the tone instead starting in an obvious hole??
Pettine just LOVES his defense.... LMAO
He enjoys an opening drive walking it right down the field and since we can't do that he figures watching the other team do it will suffice....
How does the energy look on the 'D' - are we looking like we are playing to win?
Chat pretty slow today huh fellas?
Why do we always defer to the second half? Can't we come out on offense and try to set the tone instead starting in an obvious hole??
Was that Cundiff????
That what I wanted to say but I freakin' forgot his name already!
And we throw right away.... No reason to try to run the ball....
Manziel does have some serious speed
Nobody was open on that last play...
Manziel does have some serious speed
Agreed! It is amazing how quickly he abandons the pocket.
listening on the radio - they just said that is the 8th 3rd and out over his 10 total Offensive series... ugh. On that run - did he have to run due to pressure?
put in hoyer and eat crow...this is lame
The kid has no patience. He had an open Cameron if he would've waited.
Good game to get drunk to. (I don't drink, I'm just sayin'!)
How does the energy look on the 'D' - are we looking like we are playing to win?
I thought the first series was a little shaky, but they made a play in the backfield and the guy missed a much longer kick than it would have been.
I don't know. What you guys think?
It was a bit of pressure, but mainly because NOBODY was open
yay, another 3 and out from JM
Somebody didn't stay on the edge like they was suppose to (mingo)
Stewart gutting what we laughingly refer to as a defense....
And the flags start flying....
Here come the penalties
Hey! Sheard made a tackle. That might be his first one in three weeks...
Secondary is getting destroyed...
ALL DAY LONG in the pocket....
Hey! Sheard made a tackle. That might be his first one in three weeks...
He is one of the best if you ask some on this board LOL!!!
Boy are we going to miss Joe Haden today
And Stewart guts them again....
Front is getting destroyed...
They're going to rush for 400 yards today, this is crazy.
How about a little pride boys
Panthers don't need to throw one pas today.. Just pound the rock....
Boy are we going to miss Joe Haden today
And Taylor and Hughes and Gipson and Armonty Bryant and etc. etc. etc.
WHY DO WE DO THIS TO OURSELVES GUYS.
Every week, we watch craptastic play on the field, and we continue to support our team playing like trash
Can't stop the run. Can't pas rush. No offense.
No shot to win.
Everyone talking how bad the offense but truth is our defense has lost more games than the offense. .this game is ugly. .no confidence in this coaching staff
Boy are we going to miss Joe Haden today
And Taylor and Hughes and Gipson and Armonty Bryant and etc. etc. etc.
K'uan Williams too!
I think actual clowns would play better than this.
sounds like we are swapping a lot of players on D - are we gearing for a long Defense day?
Why throw it? They could just run it in....
Watch out for Newton running this in....
I hate that we defer after winning the toss...you have a chance to come out and set the tone and you let them
Surprised they're only getting 3 out of this drive!
Wow we stopped them?
I'm thoroughly surprised.
I hope we can at least get one first down on this next drive.
well 0-3 is better than 0-6 or 0-10! Come on Johnny - give the D some rest and some hope!
3-0 Johnny has got to show up now!!!!!
I hate that we defer after winning the toss...you have a chance to come out and set the tone and you let them
I said that earlier in the thread and completely agree with you!
Of course, if setting the tone is a quick 3 and out, we're not really setting much of anything.
I think actual clowns would play better than this.
It would be more entertaining, anyway!
Panthers stopped themselves. They were killing us running the ball then they throw twice in the RZ Should have just kept pounding the rock.
We need to be 3rd and short to make the defense play the qb run and open up the offense.
Dang - time of possession is 1:17 to 10:56...that a lot of pressure on the D
I hope we can at least get one first down this quarter.
Fixed it
Maybe he should be Johnny Jam Boogie...........j/k.
I hope we can at least get one first down this game.
Fixed it
I re-fixed it!
Gordon not lined up correctly? Is that true?
Do we not plan on running the ball this game?
I hope we can at least get one first down this game.
Fixed it
I re-fixed it!
Sad but true! We ought to get points for getting first downs. It may be the only way we get on the scoreboard!
Gordon not lined up correctly? Is that true?
It couldn't be!
This team seems like it doesn't want to play.
I hope we can at least get one first down this game.
Fixed it
I re-fixed it!
That would be funny if there isn't a distinct possibility of that happening...
3rd and 7? Inconceivable!
Shanahan is calling a crap game plan
Sorry for the questions - I only have the online radio - so thanks for your answers!
Seems like on every throwing play Johnny is rolling to the right - are these designed rolls or is he being flushed?
Our offense is just... Trash lol
Line gets blown up about every other play.
The D PLAYERS HAVE OUR NUMBER
Can someone please give Crowell some real cleats??? Gawd, does he slip a lot!!
Is Carolina stacking the box to stop the run?
He slipped cause the opine got blasted off the line
Sorry for the questions - I only have the online radio - so thanks for your answers!
Seems like on every throwing play Johnny is rolling to the right - are these designed rolls or is he being flushed?
I'm not Mr. Football Knowledge, so I'm thinkin' a little of both......(?).......
Sorry for the questions - I only have the online radio - so thanks for your answers!
Seems like on every throwing play Johnny is rolling to the right - are these designed rolls or is he being flushed?
A couple were by design. I think he got antsy on another play or two.
I'd pick a defensive and then offensive lineman with the first 2 picks. Both lines are just crap to say the least
Well, we had once real nice pass play. Me liked that.
Gave me a little hope, a little life.
That was a pretty big hit!!
What a bad call, but I'll take it!!
Finally we get a flag in our favor - sounds like JM made a good pass! A converted 3rd and long - ok not a completion but hey we will take it!
WHAT that is helmet to helmet!!!
Damn! That gave ME a concussion!
Hawk should have been laid out like that on the last big play, too.
Good throws, but Hawk was completely left out to dry on both of them.
Are we actually sustaining a drive right now?
Guess we will see our new Kicker make an attempt this week?
We have a bit of offense here!
Nice pitch and catch there to JG!!
Manziel was so far on his back foot he fell down.
The center forgot Manziel is a midget. (I'm sorry!)
Jesus.. We can't catch a bresk
Nice pitch and catch there to JG!!
And that IS A CATCH!!!
We need to quick snap the next play after a questionable call like that.
Have a play in your pocket and run it. Don't give them time to review.
Manziel was so far on his back foot he fell down.
You're right. Could have been the bad snaps fault though.
I sure hope the Coaching staff puts in some time in the off season .. They just ain;t sharp.
Hand under ball CATCH!!!!
I think it's going to be no catch. ..hochuli has a horrible crew
bummer - so much for the sustained drive...
We need to quick snap the next play after a questionable call like that.
Have a play in your pocket and run it. Don't give them time to review.
^This.
What BS call!!! Go for it!!!
Manziel was so far on his back foot he fell down.
I thought I saw that.
Not a bad drive though.....
Wow the cbs ref said he would've let it stand.
Need to get West some carries....
I think we need to draft a sure handed wr with
Well, atleast it isn't a shut out guys
Injured Billy Cundiff? Did he sprain his ego?
Wow the cbs ref said he would've let it stand.
I would've too. But at least we got 3 points out of it.
43 yard'er - points! More importantly the D got a 5 minute rest and they at least know we can score now!
Good kick Jarrett.
That catch was questionable... I watched it a few times, I don't know.
thank god for some sort of offense
Wow the cbs ref said he would've let it stand.
And I don't think that I have ever heard him say that any play that benefits us should stand.
I thought that Gordon had his hand under the ball,and the ball under control, and it was a catch.
A sighting of the rare good Browns FG.
Injured Billy Cundiff? Did he sprain his ego?
Cundiff was waived
This can only help JM's confidence.
Well, the new kicker already made a FG that Cundiff would have missed!
The announcer said Hartley is "filling in" for the injured Cundiff.
My wife says "We cut him didn,t we?" Gotta love when she knows more about football than the guys they pay to call the games!
I'm not sure how they thought that was a catch. Looked pretty easy to call on the replay. Gordon again hurting more than helping. Should be an easy grab for a top tier wideout
I think we need to draft a sure handed wr with
Absolutely. We need a #1 WR. Imperative. And we need a plethora of linebackers! Someone that can get some PRESSURE!
[quote=jfanent]Manziel was so far on his back foot he fell down.
Guess we know what he will be working on in the off-season..
Injured Billy Cundiff? Did he sprain his ego?
Cundiff was waived
I know, but the announcers don't.
I'm not sure how they thought that was a catch. Looked pretty easy to call on the replay. Gordon again hurting more than helping. Should be an easy grab for a top tier wideout
Announcer said it was a bad low throw by JM - how tough of a catch was it?
I'm not sure how they thought that was a catch. Looked pretty easy to call on the replay. Gordon again hurting more than helping. Should be an easy grab for a top tier wideout
Announcer said it was a bad low throw by JM - how tough of a catch was it?
Not tough. He had it and lost it (or didn't) going to the ground.
How many yards are we going to just give them
I'm not sure how they thought that was a catch. Looked pretty easy to call on the replay. Gordon again hurting more than helping. Should be an easy grab for a top tier wideout
Announcer said it was a bad low throw by JM - how tough of a catch was it?
The ball was thrown where only JG had a chance to catch it. I thought it was a good throw and a GREAT catch. The refs didn't see it that way...
Good defensive stop there!!!
Carolina doesn't look too hot, lucky for us.
With Cam coming off an injury and probably not going to run at all, are we blitzing on D to get some sacks?
Another beautiful fair catch on a PR!!
Johnny might have fallen because it was a horrible snap. He had to bring down the snap and perhaps it threw off his timing and footwork.... He DOES need to seriously work on his mechanics/footwork in the off season. Should hire Mooch to help him.
Anyone see the Luck interview today?
He said in year three the game is JUST starting to slow down for him.
He's a good kid.
Another beautiful fair catch on a PR!!
Has our return game ever been worse? Like going back to the old Browns?
Man Crowell would go OFF on teams if our line could block better
With Cam coming off an injury and probably not going to run at all, are we blitzing on D to get some sacks?
I haven't really seen anything yet.
I think they sent Gilbert on that short route to Kelvin Benjamin.
That coverage on Cameron. Like a damn blanket
That should have been PI.
Cameron should have had it. It was right there.
That wasn't interference? He was dry humping Cameron down the field!!
Add a te to the list after we get rid of cameron
Come on. What the hell are you doing Moore?
another no call on our Receivers? How come we get mugged w/ no flags and then get flagged on touches....seems like a theme all year
Shanny has got nothing today !
How stupid are Browns players in general?
Tabor better not be here next year
"SPECIAL" Teams again
Must mute all commercials.
Shanny has got nothing today !
How is this Shanahan's fault? I think he's doing pretty damned good considering what little he has to work with....
Tabor better not be here next year
No they love this kind of play. He'll probably be rewarded with a top $$ contract
That should have been a penalty, but Cameron should have caught it anyway ...
Another thing JF needs to stop doing besides throwing off his back foot is to stop Jumping when he throws. That 2nd down play cost us a few seconds on the jump throw and perhaps the WR doesn't get tackled when he catches the ball.
dang - another secondary holding call...
Thanks Skrine, you idiot.
hE HAS TO ATTACH THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD , RUN ton of cut bACKS IN THE MIDDLE , USE TWO ANS THREE TE , AND THE LIST GOES ON
stop stewart and we wim the game
Haha that jets touchdown celebration lol
Goodell will soon have the game so watered down as to be unwatchable.
Football is the product, not referees.
Wow they already have over 100 rushing on us
So painful to watch this putrid team.
sounds like the D is still playing hard at least!
sounds like the D is still playing hard at least!
Not really.
Desir how the hell door let him catch that?!!!!
Goodell will soon have the game so watered down as to be unwatchable.
Football is the product, not referees.
Not anymore. And I'd bet the farm that in the off season MORE rules limiting defense will be implemented....
Now that's how you are a big time receiver! Was flash watching
All freakin' day to throw. ALL DAY
Desir is getting his lunch handed to him so far this game....
A penalty on Carolina
What team are they talking about? These announcers are IDIOTS. Browns D is a defense that likes to put pressure on the QB... My ass. We won't get to 35 sacks this year. Be lucky if we get to 30.
sounds like the D is still playing hard at least!
Not really.
the benefit of radio - I am filling in the blanks with happy thoughts and images
Anybody else notice mingo takes the absolute WORST angles at tackles
At least we have 3 points... ha-ha...
At least we get the ball to start the second half, though!!
There they go, now if they are smart they will run it again, and again and again if necessary....
We need dline in the worst way...ours are all practices squad caliber
sounds like the D is still playing hard at least!
Not really.
the benefit of radio - I am filling in the blanks with happy thoughts and images
Running and passing at will.
Roberston really playing nice
Robertson has been playing some really great football over the past few weeks.
And, add Rubin to the list....
Anybody else notice mingo takes the absolute WORST angles at tackles
Bigfoot is looking very bust like.... We SERIOUSLY need to get some linebackers this off season!
Might be the last of ol Rub
I'm going with - we respond in a 2-minute drill by JM where we finally get a TD before half and a huge momentum changer...seems like 2 minute drill would be where JM would excel [scrambling] with 2 deep safety coverage?
We are so hurt we can not take any more injuries
We need dline in the worst way...ours are all practices squad caliber
All of ours are hurt.... We need LINEBACKERS. In a 4-3 linebackers are supremely important....
Our offense is barely ever on the field, or so it seems, and all we pretty much get to watch is our D out there...
True - just looking at scoreboard..as bad as we are playing we seem to shore up in the Red Zone...this game could be over already.
I think we're set on the inside. The outside is where we're hurting...we've got Kruger and that's it.
We need dline in the worst way...ours are all practices squad caliber
All of ours are hurt.... We need LINEBACKERS. In a 4-3 linebackers are supremely important....
Don't you mean 3-4? If the Browns ran a 4-3 they'd probably get more out of Rubin, Taylor, Mingo and Sheard.
Desir is gettin ate up. our secondary is usually our strong suit.
Time of possession 7:17 to 20:43... a lot to ask of any D
we really didn't see that coming?
So can we answer with some points?
No surprises on that play AT ALL.
too easy. the offense has to stir up somethin ASAP. they need to get somethin goin
Man we have to get a drive here
Maybe Marlon Moore will make up for his stupid mistake on the punt coverage by taking the ball out from 10 yards deep and getting tackled at the 9.
Seymour's now questionable with a hammy.
So can we answer with some points?
I think you're asking for too much!
No surprises on that play AT ALL.
it surprised 11 players on the field!
So is West not playing at all - is he hurt?
You're out of the playoffs. Pull out all of the stops.
And Manziel just got killed
wow that didn't take long
stupid QB run play. just STUPID!
Stupid play and queue the Destroyer....
Dude can't run like that.
I really don't understand the love affair with Shanahan. .I think he sucks
That was a designed run.
For future reference
And Manziel just got killed
Who saw that coming?
No surprises on that play AT ALL.
it surprised 11 players on the field!
You got that right! lol!!!
Bigfoot was closet...
Ut-oh.... Manziel hurt.
That was the problem I had with the Johnny pick. He's tiny and he runs... not a good combo in the NFL.
Manziel needs a Snickers after that hit. He had the "I'm Batman" look.
Can't we run quick slants? Seems like Hoyer liked quick timing routes and JM has the long roll outs...
Gordon went up for that!!!!
of course another flag against us...
That was the problem I had with the Johnny pick. He's tiny and he runs... not a good combo in the NFL.
It was a designed run.
Amazing catch.. Too bad a flag.
And thats why you don't draft a running qb
Great catch - penalty of course... sounds liked Gordon had a killer catch
And.... Crap it away with another stupid penalty.
PENALTIES PENALTIES PENALTIES !!!!
How do you have an illegal shift in the 15 th week!?
That was the problem I had with the Johnny pick. He's tiny and he runs... not a good combo in the NFL.
same here
Yay, you guys can all be happy now!
Now we get to watch this chump Hoyer.
Lol this is gonna get ugly.
I wonder if he comes back in the second half.
That was the problem I had with the Johnny pick. He's tiny and he runs... not a good combo in the NFL.
It was a designed run.
Why a designed run like that in the 2-minute drill? Everybody knows he can run so they have JM on the radar at all times..
this is unwatchable. im tired of watching the opposing team on offense...im sick of it.
How do you have an illegal shift in the 15 th week!?
You play for the Cleveland Browns
A giant Cluster you know what...
Usually I feel this careless and ready for next season way more earlier than usual, but that time has finally come.
Johnny Football is now Johnny Injured
Remember when we thought we might have had TWO quarterbacks? LOL
Well Hoyer has another shot i hope he does it well enough to get us a win
Yay, you guys can all be happy now!
Now we get to watch this chump Hoyer.
Anyone that's happy Johnny got hurt is not a true fan.
Lol this is gonna get ugly.
I wonder if he comes back in the second half.
Nope
I think this staff needs serious evaluation in the offseason. We have seen regression as the season went along. .I think OC, dc, and ST all might be in danger
Well Hoyer has another shot i hope he does it well enough to get us a win
Another shot at what? Being our future? Not likely. A win here doesn't make him a franchise QB.
Well Hoyer has another shot i hope he does it well enough to get us a win
Optimism!
Yay, you guys can all be happy now!
Now we get to watch this chump Hoyer.
Don't cry Johnny fan boy. .....
i hope Johnny comes back out. he needs the experience. as sad as this game is so far.
How do you have an illegal shift in the 15 th week!?
You play for the Cleveland Browns
And you make sure you have no Offense consistency by making changes to QB late in the season..plus numerous injuries...plus plus plus
I think the qb coach should be the first on the chopping block.
maybe we can get another shot
I'm sorry but I actually feel good about our chances. I know I will get blasted but Manziel has done nothing to prove me wrong. I have no confidence when Manziel is playing. I do wish Hoyer had a little more Mobility but Manziel running makes me sick
Like the hoyer fan boys a couple weeks ago?
Well Hoyer has another shot i hope he does it well enough to get us a win
Another shot at what? Being our future? Not likely. A win here doesn't make him a franchise QB.
Maybe not, but it puts us at worse 8-8. That's improvement that I will take.
That was delay of game on Mingo. Can't believe it was called on the Panthers.
Well Hoyer has another shot i hope he does it well enough to get us a win
If Hoyer stays in, will the playbook open back up and will Carolina have play back in pass D? Seems like a few quick passes and you can have them playing honest D.
LAUNCH IT DEEP! take a chance for crying out loud.
Hell 7-9 is a HUGE upgrade over what has been the norm.
And benji just got killed.
All of our players are getting killed.
Benji didn't fumble! Progress!!!!
Yay, you guys can all be happy now!
Now we get to watch this chump Hoyer.
Don't cry Johnny fan boy. .....
Classy.
You mad bro?
More flags on us. This team is always so undisciplined, regardless who is coach.
Tabor needs fired though. This is thee worst special team unit I've seen here.
Yay, you guys can all be happy now!
Now we get to watch this chump Hoyer.
You can't tell me you actually feel good with watching Manziel
This team is so poorly coached in all facets
What??? Coaching accountability...you've got to be kidding me
I don't feel good with watching Manziel, he sucks too.
But we know what we have with Hoyer and he is absolutely pathetic too.
Another "SPECIAL" Teams penalty!!!!!!!!
any update on Johnny's status or injury?
Benji didn't fumble! Progress!!!!
Or call for a fair catch!!
Why even run a play there if you were just going to hand it off?
The lack of discipline on this team is absurd.
Why not take a shot down the field on that series? Seriously?????
This team looks like every other Browns team in December since '99.
This team is so poorly coached in all facets
pettine is trash. i dont care what anybody says. another dumbass coach that we're stuck with
What was the injury to Manziel?
any update on Johnny's status or injury?
Hamstring injury. Return is questionable.
That was delay of game on Mingo. Can't believe it was called on the Panthers.
Mingo's hand was trapped under the Pathers player's body. He couldn't pull his hand out as he was on top of the guy laying on his hand. Once his hand was freed he moved. Then got shoved.
any update on Johnny's status or injury?
Hamstring.
What was the injury to Manziel?
Hamstring.
Yay, you guys can all be happy now!
Now we get to watch this chump Hoyer.
Don't cry Johnny fan boy. .....
Classy.
You mad bro?
It sounds like you are.
Manziel gives us no chance to win.
Hoyer gives us next to no chance to win.
I'll take the latter.
Neither is going to be here very long...another QB dead zone.
I'm just waiting for this to end so I can see the new Chris Rock movie.
The lack of discipline on this team is absurd.
HOYER has his chance in the 2nd half to bring us a win and I hope he does ... GO BROWNS
Yay, you guys can all be happy now!
Now we get to watch this chump Hoyer.
Don't cry Johnny fan boy. .....
Classy.
You mad bro?
It sounds like you are.
Manziel gives us no chance to win.
Hoyer gives us next to no chance to win.
I'll take the latter.
Neither is going to be here very long...another QB dead zone.
I'm just waiting for this to end so I can see the new Chris Rock movie.
Nah, I just don't like everyone's hate against a 22 year old kid. Meanwhile we can watch happy feet dance around in the pocket for the next 6 quarters then bring in the next QB failure for next year.
So.
QB in the first round then?
This team looks like every other Browns team in December since '99.
Sure does! And does anybody think it will get better in the next 5 years? I don't!
I feel like our chances of winning improved, but everybody knows I don't hide the fact that I don't like Manziel. That direct snap call was stupid and shows why mobility is great in terms of escaping pressure, but stupid to put your starting QB on the line in a designed run.
It is what it is, the kid just doesn't have it for this level.
Well Hoyer has another shot i hope he does it well enough to get us a win
Another shot at what? Being our future? Not likely. A win here doesn't make him a franchise QB.
and is Manziel?has he done anything to get excited about? I realize he's a rookie but it has been stated he still doesn't no the whole playbook. Why? This is unacceptable
The lack of discipline on this team is absurd.
That's league wide and a reflection of the way young men act today in nearly every facet of life. But yeah, ultimately you're correct!
So.
QB in the first round then?
Looking like a move up many draft picks QB in first round, hahahaha
Yay, you guys can all be happy now!
Now we get to watch this chump Hoyer.
Don't cry Johnny fan boy. .....
Classy.
You mad bro?
It sounds like you are.
Manziel gives us no chance to win.
Hoyer gives us next to no chance to win.
I'll take the latter.
Neither is going to be here very long...another QB dead zone.
I'm just waiting for this to end so I can see the new Chris Rock movie.
There just was an interview in Rolling Stone with Chris. It's supposed to be a good movie, but most movies he plays in are just so-so.
Until we get actual nfl quality people upstairs and on the sidelines, who we play between the lines isn't going to matter much
A lot of you guys really want to fire coordinators? While we are just fire the GM, entire coaching staff because we are much smarter than them.
This has worked so well in the past. Sounds stupid to give a staff 3 years to implement a program and have the team get used to it. WE get what we deserve.
This team looks like every other Browns team in December since '99.
Sure does! And does anybody think it will get better in the next 5 years? I don't!
We are a better team with lots of injuries. We are on the upswing, though a rookie HC will make mistakes like anybody in a new position. We will be fine, but Pettine will need to grow for us to have consistent success.
And, in the meantime the Texans are putting it to the birds....
Yay, you guys can all be happy now!
Now we get to watch this chump Hoyer.
You can't tell me you actually feel good with watching Manziel
And you can tell how good he will be off a game and a half?
Fine, lets cut Johnny and sign Hoyer to a 5 year 100 million deal. But we FIRE Farmer for drafting a guy that's a bust after two starts. And when Hoyer continues to suck next year, don't complain. Mr. 1 TD to 8 picks was what you WANTED....
Dear Mike Pettine, playing like a Brown is not such a good idea.
HOYER has his chance in the 2nd half to bring us a win and I hope he does ... GO BROWNS
Based upon what I have heard the last few weeks, you seem to be right. Can you imagine the problems if Hoyer wins this game and plays well and wins next week?
There just was an interview in Rolling Stone with Chris. It's supposed to be a good movie, but most movies he plays in are just so-so.
This is his movie, though.
Written, directed, starring, etc.
I have high hopes.
Yea. So pathetic he was 9-6 as a starter for Browns
Until we get actual nfl quality people upstairs and on the sidelines, who we play between the lines isn't going to matter much
You don't think Farmer and company aren't better than we've had? You are nuts if you think Farmer didn't do a good job with the little time he had prior to the draft!
There just was an interview in Rolling Stone with Chris. It's supposed to be a good movie, but most movies he plays in are just so-so.
This is his movie, though.
Written, directed, starring, etc.
I have high hopes.
Yep, that's what I read. Didn't read any reviews of it yet though.
Nah, I just don't like everyone's hate against a 22 year old kid.
I've been telling everyone for months now in detail why drafting Manziel in the first and throwing him into the fire was a horrible idea that had little chance to succeed.
Over and over and over I was called a 'hater' or told I was 'hating'.
Enough is enough.
Don't get mad at me because you bought into a stupid pipe dream.
Yea. So pathetic he was 9-6 as a starter for Browns
That all you got? DA 10-6 (in one season not spread across two).
HOYER has his chance in the 2nd half to bring us a win and I hope he does ... GO BROWNS
Based upon what I have heard the last few weeks, you seem to be right. Can you imagine the problems if Hoyer wins this game and plays well and wins next week?
I don't see this as a problem at all. It's simple, you resign him and carry the momentum into the 2015 season.
So since 1999 we have been searching for a QB and have have come up empty I wanted so much for Manziel to be the one, but I havent seen anything yet to make me believe he is and what scares me the most I have more hope in Hoyer than Johnny at this point
Nah, I just don't like everyone's hate against a 22 year old kid.
I've been telling everyone for months now in detail why drafting Manziel in the first and throwing him into the fire was a horrible idea that had little chance to succeed.
Over and over and over I was called a 'hater' or told I was 'hating'.
Enough is enough.
Don't get mad at me because you bought into a stupid pipe dream.
I wasn't even talking to you. So, shh.
Thing is, he was stupid for lowering his shoulder just to get back to the line of scrimmage. Very RG III like. Stupid.
regardless. We are going to win the game now. I had no faith with Manziel and I don't hate him. I just haven't seen anything to prove me wrong.
Well Hoyer has another shot i hope he does it well enough to get us a win
Another shot at what? Being our future? Not likely. A win here doesn't make him a franchise QB.
and is Manziel?has he done anything to get excited about? I realize he's a rookie but it has been stated he still doesn't no the whole playbook. Why? This is unacceptable
Fine. Lets cut him. Sign hero boy Hoyer to a HUGE deal. When he continues to SUCK, don't complain. You wanted it.
And if we draft another QB next year, if he doesn't play like Tom Brady his VERY FIRST GAME, we CUT him immediately.
I forgot what the fighting in chat was like when the browns are playing for the draft now.
Atleast we held off the onslaught until December I guess
I forgot what the fighting in chat was like when the browns are playing for the draft now.
Atleast we held off the onslaught until December I guess
This is great
I wish they were in chat though since that wasn't censored.
Yea. So pathetic he was 9-6 as a starter for Browns
That all you got? DA 10-6 (in one season not spread across two).
Cut on him all you want, but in the backup role today, DA plays well enough to win while your starter is out. I'd take DA today over Manziel today.
Thing is, he was stupid for lowering his shoulder just to get back to the line of scrimmage. Very RG III like. Stupid.
You'll never get him to change. These guys are what they are unfortunately.
I wasn't even talking to you. So, shh.
Haven't you been honking the kid's horn for months now?
Maybe you're the one who needs to quiet down a bit.
Yea. So pathetic he was 9-6 as a starter for Browns
That all you got? DA 10-6 (in one season not spread across two).
Cut on him all you want, but in the backup role today, DA plays well enough to win while your starter is out. I'd take DA today over Manziel today.
At this point I'd take DA as our starter.
I forgot what the fighting in chat was like when the browns are playing for the draft now.
Atleast we held off the onslaught until December I guess
As soon as we start to do bad the quarreling begins...Sometimes even sooner! lol
I wasn't even talking to you. So, shh.
Haven't you been honking the kid's horn for months now?
Maybe you're the one who needs to quiet down a bit.
Yeah I like Manziel. Aren't you the guy that just keeps talking random trash to pretty much everyone with no facts? Yeah I think so.
Looks like Hoyer for the second half
Nah, I just don't like everyone's hate against a 22 year old kid.
I've been telling everyone for months now in detail why drafting Manziel in the first and throwing him into the fire was a horrible idea that had little chance to succeed.
Over and over and over I was called a 'hater' or told I was 'hating'.
Enough is enough.
Don't get mad at me because you bought into a stupid pipe dream.
So do we have a first year Peyton Manning or a Ryan Leaf Pick?
From what I can read on the site, the latter seems to be more true...but hey, things can change in a moment!
Like Bernie said NO QB has a chance to succeed on this crap team/organization.
Fine. Lets cut him. Sign hero boy Hoyer to a HUGE deal.
Why do you feel the need to compare the two as if they're tied to each other?
And if we draft another QB next year, if he doesn't play like Tom Brady his VERY FIRST GAME, we CUT him immediately.
...and we're into Tom Brady references and comparisons.
Ah, the dead season.
Man these refs are freaking blind
HOYER has his chance in the 2nd half to bring us a win and I hope he does ... GO BROWNS
Based upon what I have heard the last few weeks, you seem to be right. Can you imagine the problems if Hoyer wins this game and plays well and wins next week?
I don't see this as a problem at all. It's simple, you resign him and carry the momentum into the 2015 season.
Sure, sign him LONG term. Make sure you give him so much you CAN'T play another QB. Then sit back and watch him suck for the next five years.
dang - a large run...was the D not stacking the box with Hoyer in?
Just RUN Crow why is he trying to juke with NOBODY around
Finally!!!! Too bad it was nullified by stupid play otherwise
Held the ball forever Hoyer
Wow, Schwartz. Nice effort!
Come the heck on Hoyer! Throw it
Like Bernie said NO QB has a chance to succeed on this crap team/organization.
this is so true.
isn't a coverage sack just a failure on the QB to throw the ball away? The announcers just said it was a coverage sack...my limited knowledge just says why now throw it away?
I've seen this show before...
Not everyone's hate toward the rookie, just love of our Browns and a HATE of losing.
is our offense the worst in the NFL right now? this is atrocious..
I thank god i'm an Ohio State fan! :-)
at least we got a first down so technically not a 3 and out!
little rays of sunshine!
and DA had a better team, Good running game, Good receivers and Hoyer had What? . Go look at the Browns record I've the last 2 yrs with Hoyer and without. Seriously that speaks for itself. You clearly are a Manziel fan. I'm just a fan of whatever QB wins!
isn't a coverage sack just a failure on the QB to throw the ball away? The announcers just said it was a coverage sack...my limited knowledge just says why now throw it away?
If he threw it away and he was still in the tackle box (which he was), would've been intentional grounding. Loss of down and yardage.
Fine. Lets cut him. Sign hero boy Hoyer to a HUGE deal.
Why do you feel the need to compare the two as if they're tied to each other?
And if we draft another QB next year, if he doesn't play like Tom Brady his VERY FIRST GAME, we CUT him immediately.
...and we're into Tom Brady references and comparisons.
Ah, the dead season.
No, we're in to morons judging a rookie QB's entire future based on one and a half games. Troy Aikman went 1-15 his first year. You guys would have cut him after two games.
The minute they drafted Johnny I spoke against it. A TINY QB that runs a lot. NOT a good combination. But to insist that he can't play after 1 1/2 games is stupid. NO one can tell what a QB will be like after that short a time. Certainly not some forumite
I see what you did there..nice
Hoyer looked so confident while throwin the ball on the sidelines before comin in...like he was gonna light it up or somethin. ha....
at least we got a first down so technically not a 3 and out!
little rays of sunshine!
Wow did we just shut down a screen play?
Crowell got us in their territory ... then we died
Nice D on the screen! How did that receiver catch it???
and DA had a better team, Good running game, Good receivers and Hoyer had What? . Go look at the Browns record I've the last 2 yrs with Hoyer and without. Seriously that speaks for itself. You clearly are a Manziel fan. I'm just a fan of whatever QB wins!
As soon as we find one of those, I'm with you.
Panthers are better than us but don't belong in the playoffs.
Hey Hitner just finally hit someone...after a first down!
How is that not a hold on Solomon?
seems like we defend the screen well...another positive - enough of those and we will get a break! Bring pressure D! Maybe the large rotations will yield a benefit down the stretch!
Wow did we just shut down a screen play?
Yep! How 'bout that?!?
come on - 1 play and we are back in this and I think we saw the best Carolina can do - and we are holding!
The 2 most important parts of a football team is your QB and HC and thats what we have struggled with since 99' how sad is that
1OldMutt that is a very astute observation!
At least when Manziel was playing we had a little more time to evaluate him....
and DA had a better team, Good running game, Good receivers and Hoyer had What? . Go look at the Browns record I've the last 2 yrs with Hoyer and without. Seriously that speaks for itself. You clearly are a Manziel fan. I'm just a fan of whatever QB wins!
You act like Hoyer was playing GREAT when they benched him. 1 TD to 8 picks was PERFECT football for you? You LIKED that and want MORE?
The defense looks to be stepping up.
At least when Manziel was playing we had a little more time to evaluate him....
I agree this is a really bad thing! Hoyer is definitely not a long term solution to anything
At least when Manziel was playing we had a little more time to evaluate him....
Evaluate him? Not necessary. These guys can judge his entire future off 1 1/2 games. LMAO
and DA had a better team, Good running game, Good receivers and Hoyer had What? . Go look at the Browns record I've the last 2 yrs with Hoyer and without. Seriously that speaks for itself. You clearly are a Manziel fan. I'm just a fan of whatever QB wins!
You act like Hoyer was playing GREAT when they benched him. 1 TD to 8 picks was PERFECT football for you? You LIKED that and want MORE?
I'd rather endure Hoyer's growing pains than Manziel's.
I'd rather have had Carr on the roster.
I spoke too soon about the defense. They need to spy Newton.
At least when Manziel was playing we had a little more time to evaluate him....
I agree this is a really bad thing! Hoyer is definitely not a long term solution to anything
Sure he is. He's played perfectly. We need to sign him to a 5 year 100 million deal. LMAO
D getting gassed again. This should soon be over! Penalties are KILLING us.
great to see Cam resurrect his career against us. just runnin all over the place. AWESOME!
What omg! Come on refs! That's ridiculous!
Bad snap - timing miss - and of course we get the flag!
Every. freaking. time.
They have mugged our receivers over and over and the flags fly on the Browns...
The defense needs to score
They can mug us but we can't touch them
Looked like the non call on Cameron.
Why is it PI on us yet they are raping our recievers
YEAH... we can make an injured QB with one leg look good.
God, this is so depressing. Just like my life.
We are getting screwed on PI calls
That should be a flag on Desir!!!
Big Stop Time - throwing down - INT Time!
Take offense to the use of the terminology but I agree the PI calls are lopsided
That should be a flag on Desir!!!
Haha!! I just said the same thing to my wife.
Sweet - our D is scaring them into taking all there Timeouts - which will kill them when we are up with 2 minutes left in the game!
I love how they bring up all the old great players none of who could make a name in today's mamby pamby league!
God, this is so depressing. Just like my life.
lol Sorry Super! Cheer up my friend, we might get to .500 sometime by now until we die.
Does anyone know if West is active today?
Panthers are doin nothin special. this is an easy win for any other team in the NoFunLeague
YEAH... we can make an injured QB with one leg look good.
Meanwhile our high school offense running, 1st rounder is out cuz he hurt his jiney
Why do I watch this #$#$?
Watching this team and you just know we have no chance
Defense allows 10 minute drives every time.
We need quick passes/no huddle offense if there is any hope to winning this game.
...That's if our defense can ever get off the field, which looks doubtful... Very doubtful.
Good coverage - no flag - WOW!
Wow!! No flag on a pass defended!!
bout time Desir is there stops a play
Fine. Lets cut him. Sign hero boy Hoyer to a HUGE deal.
Why do you feel the need to compare the two as if they're tied to each other?
And if we draft another QB next year, if he doesn't play like Tom Brady his VERY FIRST GAME, we CUT him immediately.
...and we're into Tom Brady references and comparisons.
Ah, the dead season.
No, we're in to morons judging a rookie QB's entire future based on one and a half games. Troy Aikman went 1-15 his first year. You guys would have cut him after two games.
The minute they drafted Johnny I spoke against it. A TINY QB that runs a lot. NOT a good combination. But to insist that he can't play after 1 1/2 games is stupid. NO one can tell what a QB will be like after that short a time. Certainly not some forumite
It is called patience and many Browns don't have any. They want instant success.
I love how they bring up all the old great players none of who could make a name in today's mamby pamby league!
Yeah, Ronnie Lott would be banned from the league in one season. Dick Butkus would be fined two years salary for ONE big hit.
Did you hear the announcer "Will there be a flag"
At least we can take pleasure in the ravens being shut out to Case Keenum and Texans for now
Every incomplete pass the announcers ask "Will there be a flag?" AND THEY'RE RIGHT TO ASK. Ridiculous.
Dalton stunk last week too and look what they did to us.
INT - BABY FINALLY our TIME!
Billy Winn with an interception? LOL that's awesome!
The PI calls are almost always lopsided. Just the way things are now.
Why do I watch this #$#$?
It's like a drug addiction that has gone on way too long. You're looking for that high.
Ruled down? he wasn't touched!
that was a helluva catch by Winn. Gordon cant even control those!
How do you give yourself up? Put your hands in the air?
Not sure a decade of waiting constitutes instant success
God, this is so depressing. Just like my life.
lol Sorry Super! Cheer up my friend, we might get to .500 sometime by now until we die.
Ruled down? he wasn't touched!
Did he just say "gave himself up for the ball"?
Is that even a rule?
Why was Winn ruled down by contact!!! Houchuli and his crews SUCKS!!! The guy is a roided up jerk!!!
Why do I watch this #$#$?
It's like a drug addiction that has gone on way too long. You're looking for that high.
And we all know the next play is going to be AWESOME
how is he down when nobody touched him...these refs are horrible
Ruled down? he wasn't touched!
IKR..........
Gave himself up? He rolled over once and handed the ball to Poyer!
Yeah, I don't get that one either. Gave himself up by rolling over following his momentum?
This crew really sucks. I have rarely seen such inconsistent and frankly, flat out poor officiating.
If the whistle wasn't blown, that should be a TD
Hoculi is definetely not on our side today.
Boy does he LOVE to hear himself talk!!!
I have never been one to complain about the refs but in watching this and the Pittsburgh game, I can't but help believe these refs play the numbers. Sure looks that way. Pittsburgh has had two questionable calls go their way. Poor, poor refs in both games.
Why do I watch this #$#$?
It's like a drug addiction that has gone on way too long. You're looking for that high.
LOL 3rd...Still no high yet...
How was that giving himself up?
I still don't get that call. That was absolute BS.
I wish we would switch to a 4-3 in the off season....
Gave himself up? He rolled over once and handed the ball to Poyer!
Clearly by handing the ball off, he was signalling to the refs that he wanted to be down?
The defense is doing pretty good. Now come on fellas, let's score a TD!!
Wow finally that slant to Gordon is an accurate pass
Ed just made up some BS!!
They better review that catch by JG because he dropped it after he was down....
[quote=TripleOption]Yay, you guys can all be happy now!
Now we get to watch this chump Hoyer.
Don't cry Johnny fan
You mad bro?
About what? Your the one calling hoyer a chump. ...classy
I agree. That was a BS call!!!
Boy we got taken to the cleaners on that one
I agree. That was a BS call!!!
You can't take hte ball from a downed player. We got screwed on many other calls, but not that one unfortunately...
omg Hoyer ran for a first!
Wow another first down???
Was Hoyer just doing a two step with Bitonio? lol
Nice run!!
Horseshit! If a Panther came in and hit him they would not have thrown a flag.
What's the smell - the RED ZONE!
So with that explanation....how is he a down player when there isn't a whistle?
Hoyer leads a charge back.
We are quite the dysfunctional family...
omg Hoyer ran for a first!
That's it, go back to the Manziel playbook with Hoyer there! LOL
I agree. That was a BS call!!!
You can't take hte ball from a downed player. We got screwed on many other calls, but not that one unfortunately...
I got ya.... Sadness! lol
Wow!! We have run a screen and stopped a screen in the same game.
We're gonna win this boys!!
Why did it take getting benched for Hoyer to wake the hell up?
So with that explanation....how is he a down player when there isn't a whistle?
It's the Browns rule - the refs were so shocked our D made a play - they panicked and figured he wouldn't know what to do next!
Go for it, we have nothing to lose
Hoyer for sure is not a speed demon
Fake FG Time...Why not season is over!
Your seasons over. Go for it.
Aren't all families on some level?
only if Hoyer had a lil more speed than an old man, that wouldve been a TD
That's two more FGs than Cundiff would have made in this game!
Really needed 7 there, though!
10-6 after getting 7 taken away
Hoyer not afraid to run anymore. Interesting.
Hoyer is actually running better than JF..LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Pettine and his normal loser mentality
Why did it take getting benched for Hoyer to wake the hell up?
Sometimes that's what it takes.
At least they are moving the ball.
I'll take any points today... 6 to 10 - keep pressing...good things will happen! Hoyer has had a few close wins...
When was our last TD by the offense? I can't remember?
and DA had a better team, Good running game, Good receivers and Hoyer had What? . Go look at the Browns record I've the last 2 yrs with Hoyer and without. Seriously that speaks for itself. You clearly are a Manziel fan. I'm just a fan of whatever QB wins!
You act like Hoyer was playing GREAT when they benched him. 1 TD to 8 picks was PERFECT football for you? You LIKED that and want MORE?
I posted this comment to you but ended up posting it to someone else. . So I'll try again. . You really need to stay on your Meds!
I think the safest thing for the Browns to do is sign Hoyer and give him the starter job for next year. Tell Manziel he's the back up. He needs to do more sitting.
Then hope that Hoyer's struggles this year were because he hit a wall.
Trading up for a QB is idiotic.
Big turnovers with no TD's will really take the wind out of anyone sails.
...But on the other hand, 3 more points?!? Yea! lol
Why did it take getting benched for Hoyer to wake the hell up?
Sometimes that's what it takes.
Plus there is no pressure and he has nothing to lose.. no playoffs, lose of starting contract money...why not play loose and show your toughness and versatility?
What have you seen that would lead you to believe we could convert on 4th & 3?
I think the safest thing for the Browns to do is sign Hoyer and give him the starter job for next year. Tell Manziel he's the back up. He needs to do more sitting.
Then hope that Hoyer's struggles this year were because he hit a wall.
Trading up for a QB is idiotic.
Amazingly, I agree with this..LOL!
Illegal wedge????
Good thing we're wearing the brown pants so we couldn't see it.
FG, is Romeo coaching? Nothing to lose and this why we lose. Bernie was right!
Illegal wedge????
Good thing we're wearing the brown pants so we couldn't see it.
FG, is Romeo coaching? Nothing to lose and this why we lose. Bernie was right!
He so was Goose!
Trading up for a QB is idiotic.
Going forward with Manziel & Hoyer is idiotic.
Pitt back in the playoffs. Watch them win the whole dang thing again
Need a defensive stop! BAD!!!
Pettine and his normal loser mentality
there's always at least 2 plays/decisions in a game where he reminds us all that he's not about winning the game. every single game.
How long can this D stay on the field and make stops? This D is a revolving door.
FG, is Romeo coaching? Nothing to lose and this why we lose. Bernie was right!
I don't know..as bad as the O has been, 3 points keeps you in the game with a go-ahead TD..you build confidence...I want to see the coaches coach like this game matters and not flippant??
Trading up for a QB is idiotic.
Going forward with Manziel & Hoyer is idiotic.
So you're 100% positive Mariota is going to be good?
Get on the phone with Farmer.
Trading up for a QB is idiotic.
Going forward with Manziel & Hoyer is idiotic.
I agree. MAYBE one of them.... But both? Naw.
#54 came to play... whoever this kid is.
How was this kid stuck on the practice squad? He's made three plays today!!
Hats off to the D. They have been on the field for 100 plays thanks to the stellar O.
Why did it take getting benched for Hoyer to wake the hell up?
Sometimes that's what it takes.
Well, if that's what it takes to get hoyer motivated then he for SURE isn't the future. Commit to the guy and he'll go back to sucking....
Great play, Solomon!
Also, who is Solomon?
Does Mingo even know how to play football...the guy looks absolutely LOST out there...this Soloman has made more plays in one game than Mingo has all damn year...
Really? how bad? Please tell me it's BAD!
Benji, running for his life, safely to the sideline.
Getting stronger and better - we are ready to explode in the 4th! Nothing to lose and all go gain - go BROWNS!
Trading up for a QB is idiotic.
Going forward with Manziel & Hoyer is idiotic.
I agree. MAYBE one of them.... But both? Naw.
Agree...one but not both.
That kid is playing a good game so far. I wonder what kept him on the bench or on the practice squad
I always loved that suburb!!
Cavs game fun? LMAO Hilarious.
Wow, tackle for a loss followed by a positive special teams play with no flag? What game am I watching?
That was a sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet play by him!!!
Really? how bad? Please tell me it's BAD!
Leg whipped after throwing a touchdown, not sure how serious
Hoyer the Destroyer time! Question is, will he destroy the Panther D or our comeback attempt?
Why did it take getting benched for Hoyer to wake the hell up?
Sometimes that's what it takes.
Well, if that's what it takes to get hoyer motivated then he for SURE isn't the future. Commit to the guy and he'll go back to sucking....
I take it you've never coached a team.
Time to take the lead, we need a TD
So if that's a hamstring injury then he got hurt before the hit?
Really? how bad? Please tell me it's BAD!
Looks like he may return, KC has the ball right now
Another drop by Hawkins? Was it a bad throw?
that was a fumble. not incomplete
If we keep Farmer and company I figure they will keep Johnny and let Hoyer go. Then either draft a QB in the 3rd or later.... or pick up a journeyman Vet as a backup.
I think the safest thing for the Browns to do is sign Hoyer and give him the starter job for next year. Tell Manziel he's the back up. He needs to do more sitting.
Then hope that Hoyer's struggles this year were because he hit a wall.
Trading up for a QB is idiotic.
Then you're just sitting on two guys with little chance of being a success.
I don't think we will make a move for a high-end QB in this draft, but I certainly wouldn't call it 'idiotic'.
I do believe we have a team that's a fringe/viable playoff competitor if we just had a QB.
The odds of Hoyer or Manziel being that QB is slim.
Windows snap shut in the NFL very quickly. You have to make a move somewhere to shore up the position.
Hot damn we needed a long pass like that.
Never mind
Hoyer's inaccurate deep ball never fails
Trading up for a QB is idiotic.
Going forward with Manziel & Hoyer is idiotic.
So you're 100% positive Mariota is going to be good?
Get on the phone with Farmer.
Not 100%. Are you 100% positive he won't be? It's always a gamble, I would expect you to know that. I like his tools, skill set and measurables. That's all anyone has to go on. I would expect you to know that too.
Of Course Pettine did not see the knee down!! That would be too much like right.
that was a fumble. not incomplete
It's hard to believe the refs aren't out to get us.
That was an obvious catch and fumble.
stop with the sacks already...You knew they would blitz why not a quick hot read?????
Really? how bad? Please tell me it's BAD!
Looks like he may return, KC has the ball right now
Damn! I was hoping for a knee doing a 180 or something. Or perhaps a fractured neck! Don't usually feel that way, but he's a sexual predator so... he's earned it.
We need a turnover right here and right now!!!
What a waste of field position....:(
This oline has some serious issues.
You are supposed to step up not back
We aren't scoring a TD that's a guarantee
I agree. That was a BS call!!!
You can't take hte ball from a downed player. We got screwed on many other calls, but not that one unfortunately...
I got ya.... Sadness! lol
he wasnt down
Really? how bad? Please tell me it's BAD!
Looks like he may return, KC has the ball right now
Damn! I was hoping for a knee doing a 180 or something. Or perhaps a fractured neck! Don't usually feel that way, but he's a sexual predator so... he's earned it.
I'm with you. My whole family is watching the Steeler game, I'm on the computer listening to the Browns game. Like this every week.
that was a fumble. not incomplete
It's hard to believe the refs aren't out to get us.
That was an obvious catch and fumble.
Why wouldn't Pettine at least entertain the idea of challenging that play. His knee was done before the ball came out!
And these refs are the worst so far this year... And, we've had some bad ones
Challenge the D - If you want a break - get the ball!
What's up guys...finally was able to find the board again...opted to work today as we aren't in playoff contention...I'm guessing from the score that Manziel didn't play well prior to his injury? Been watching the game for the past 15 mins...who's that Solomon guy? Did Desir start over Gilbert? Or is gilbert out as I know Haden is out...thank god the board is back
It doesn't matter who is at QB, when the line plays like that.
Hoyer's inaccurate deep ball never fails
At the very least it added a tad of excitement to the game. Hope/false hope? We'll take anything we can get here in Browns Town!
Trading up for a QB is idiotic.
Going forward with Manziel & Hoyer is idiotic.
So you're 100% positive Mariota is going to be good?
Get on the phone with Farmer.
Not 100%. Are you 100% positive he won't be? It's always a gamble, I would expect you to know that. I like his tools, skill set and measurables. That's all anyone has to go on. I would expect you to know that too.
I'm not 100% positive any player in the draft won't be good.
Solid argument.
Let's give up 3 first round picks for an unsure thing.
Genius.
Desir is getting killed by Philly Brown
I'd like to grab Bo Wallace out of Ole Miss. Kids is big and accurate.
I agree. That was a BS call!!!
You can't take hte ball from a downed player. We got screwed on many other calls, but not that one unfortunately...
I got ya.... Sadness! lol
he wasnt down
By rule he was, he had "given himself up". You can't take a handoff from a guy who is on the ground.
In any case, who cares. I am already wondering what QB we are going to draft.
And Scott Solomon on the strip sack!!
Trading up for a QB is idiotic.
Going forward with Manziel & Hoyer is idiotic.
So you're 100% positive Mariota is going to be good?
Get on the phone with Farmer.
Not 100%. Are you 100% positive he won't be? It's always a gamble, I would expect you to know that. I like his tools, skill set and measurables. That's all anyone has to go on. I would expect you to know that too.
I'm not 100% positive any player in the draft won't be good.
Solid argument.
Let's give up 3 first round picks for an unsure thing.
Genius.
At least is it week 15 before we are really exploring drafting a QB! That has to be improvement!
Solomon makes another play!
where has Solomon been?!?!? this dude is makin plays!
FUMBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
We got the FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!
I think Brown gave himself up before he fumbled.....
Challenge the D - If you want a break - get the ball!
Apparently the challenge was accepted!
They'll give that back to them
What's up guys...finally was able to find the board again...opted to work today as we aren't in playoff contention...I'm guessing from the score that Manziel didn't play well prior to his injury? Been watching the game for the past 15 mins...who's that Solomon guy? Did Desir start over Gilbert? Or is gilbert out as I know Haden is out...thank god the board is back
Manziel played blah to icky...One or two good passes? Can't remember. I don't think Gilbert played much? P.S. I just saw him!!!
Carolina sure can move the ball...another stud WR and add some Online (specifically a LT since Gross retired) probably double dip on the Oline...they have some nice pieces
Oh, this will get overturned for sure....
YESSS!!! our ailing defense is trying mannnn!! only if the offense tried as hard as them.
Looks like another 3 points are on the way!
scott solomon would've been playing all years!
They'll give that back to them
The way this ref crew has called...I agree
where has Solomon been?!?!? this dude is makin plays!
Practice squad
I think Brown gave himself up before he fumbled.....
I didn't think Gilbert was going to play
What's up guys...finally was able to find the board again...opted to work today as we aren't in playoff contention...I'm guessing from the score that Manziel didn't play well prior to his injury? Been watching the game for the past 15 mins...who's that Solomon guy? Did Desir start over Gilbert? Or is gilbert out as I know Haden is out...thank god the board is back
Manziel played blah to icky...One or two good passes? Can't remember. I don't think Gilbert played much? P.S. I just saw him!!!
Thanks 3rd...any Bigfoot sightings? Lol
Trading up for a QB is idiotic.
Going forward with Manziel & Hoyer is idiotic.
So you're 100% positive Mariota is going to be good?
Get on the phone with Farmer.
Not 100%. Are you 100% positive he won't be? It's always a gamble, I would expect you to know that. I like his tools, skill set and measurables. That's all anyone has to go on. I would expect you to know that too.
I'm not 100% positive any player in the draft won't be good.
Solid argument.
Let's give up 3 first round picks for an unsure thing.
Genius.
You don't know that what it would take, but your smarmy attitude makes it ridiculous to discuss so have a nice day.
another 3 puts us within 1 FG to win! Betcha Carolina will want those wasted timeouts..
I'm with you. My whole family is watching the Steeler game, I'm on the computer listening to the Browns game. Like this every week.
Who's the man of your house?
What's up guys...finally was able to find the board again...opted to work today as we aren't in playoff contention...I'm guessing from the score that Manziel didn't play well prior to his injury? Been watching the game for the past 15 mins...who's that Solomon guy? Did Desir start over Gilbert? Or is gilbert out as I know Haden is out...thank god the board is back
Manziel played blah to icky...One or two good passes? Can't remember. I don't think Gilbert played much? P.S. I just saw him!!!
Thanks 3rd...any Bigfoot sightings? Lol
Yes, once, I think?
That Netflix commercial is pretty funny.
All lower case, one word?
where has Solomon been?!?!? this dude is makin plays!
Practice squad
not sayin I know any better but makes you wonder why we field some of the players we do
For those that want to resign hoyer, he already turned down a backup money contract. If he signs with us he will want a big bump in money. Starter money. And for more than one year. You sign him, he IS your QB for the foreseeable future. So that's the decision right there. Do you want this guy under center for the next three or more years?
Sorry.
Just tired of the impatience.
Impatience is our worst enemy right now.
Trading up for a QB is idiotic.
Going forward with Manziel & Hoyer is idiotic.
So you're 100% positive Mariota is going to be good?
Get on the phone with Farmer.
Not 100%. Are you 100% positive he won't be? It's always a gamble, I would expect you to know that. I like his tools, skill set and measurables. That's all anyone has to go on. I would expect you to know that too.
I'm not 100% positive any player in the draft won't be good.
Solid argument.
Let's give up 3 first round picks for an unsure thing.
Genius.
You don't know that what it would take, but your smarmy attitude makes it ridiculous to discuss so have a nice day.
This is a game day thread, take your petty argument to the pure football forum and create a thread
Sad that we now need an officiating "expert" in the announcing booth...
They'll give that back to them
The way this ref crew has called...I agree
So now 1 Knee = 2 feet = = 1 forearm?
Darn, we aren't in field goal range after all
Come on O...We desperately need a TD.
I really like Leonard for our D and hope we keep him. Good utility guy to have.
Of course
They'll give that back to them
The way this ref crew has called...I agree
So now 1 Knee = 2 feet = = 1 forearm?
And there are illegal wedgies and "giving yourself up"
I'm learning a lot about the game of football today.
I would trade both #1's and Phil Taylor to get Jamies Winston.
What's odd is as soon as Gordon came back...our O has been pitiful...odd..I know our schedule got harder but idk...a lot of inconsistencies on both sides of the ball
I wish Hoyer could find Gordon on a big play........
Take it to them here......leave no stone unturned!!!!
Sorry.
Just tired of the impatience.
Impatience is our worst enemy right now.
I understand, hard to be patient when there's very little spark coming from that position right now.
I would trade both #1's and Phil Taylor to get Jamies Winston.
HELL NO!!!!!!!!!
if they haven't woken up by now then they never will. i have no faith in them in this game. zero.
I wish Hoyer could find Gordon on a big play........
Amen, Super!!
Crowell goes down so easy.
if they haven't woken up by now then they never will. i have no faith in them in this game. zero.
How about play like your starting spot next year is on the line?
the defense bout to go right back out there smh. no rest for them. pathetic offense against a weak ass team.
I remember when Shanahan was our FA MVP lol I never thought wed regress so fast
JORDAN CAMERON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREAT PASS!
Offensive TD....unbelievable
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
....spoke to soon.....
.........TDDDDDD!!!
I would trade both #1's and Phil Taylor to get Jamies Winston.
HELL NO!!!!!!!!!
Why on Earth would anyone do that?
That would be dumber than trading up to take Manziel in the first.
And then finally a big play haha
Best Hoyer toss all year!
I wish Hoyer could find Gordon on a big play........
Nope Cameron baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MIRACLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Caught those buzzards blitzing
80 YARD TD FROM HOYER TO JORDAN!!!!!!!!!1
Better than noodle leg? LOL
Credit where it is due...nice play!
Hoyer is like Johnny football who?
I wish Hoyer could find Cameron on a big play........
Fixed it for ya!
Hey, we scored one of those things ....... where we get 6 points and the ability to get an extra point as well .... I can't remember what they're called ..... but we scored one!
So it wasn't Gordon, but it was still a big play TD! :nanner
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I WANT TO KEEP BRIAN..LOL
ar that TD stat anymore.Now we don't have her
That's why we watch this crap team!!!
Now let's WIN THIS..... Okay?
Well, now we see why Carolina has the record they do.... they earned it.
Cue all the reasons we shouldn't commit to Hoyer. Hoyer > Manziel for future of Browns football!
You are polluting the thread for all of us. Don't tell me.
Another instance where the announcers point out a stat (No TDs) and then it ends..
Weird.
Better than noodle leg? LOL
I always have to throw that in on the game day thread for all the Hoyer haters.
I can't resist....
Credit goes to the announcers. Just before that play they said we haven't scored an offensive TD in 140 minutes of play.
That was unexpected!
When was the last time we saw a long play?
Does anyone have any opinions as to why our running game has been so bad lately?
Is our poor QB play letting the D stack the box? Is our line really playing as bad as it seems?
did you love it when he lost us a chance at the playoffs by throwing 1 TD to 8 picks?
Boy, Lanning can't put one in the end zone
If you really wanted to keep Hoyer, I bet he would take an Alex Smith type of deal.
Let's see the D fired up -- Turnover baby!
LOL.. this front office and staff have an interesting off season ahead!
Does anyone have any opinions as to why our running game has been so bad lately?
Is our poor QB play letting the D stack the box? Is our line really playing as bad as it seems?
Since we lost Mack, we have the lowest YPC in the league. Losing Mack was HUGE.
Finally an in stride pass...beautiful... Team seems to respond better to Hoyer...well least seems more on page...probably more familiar play calls and scheming
I don't think we should get carried away with the sign Hoyer stuff because of one play.
But I think big picture thinking ...knowing where our two picks will be, the best thing for the Browns is sign Hoyer as the starter, make Manziel the backup, limit the question marks you draft in the first, and take some continuity into next year.
I think that's the best thing for the Browns.
Does anyone have any opinions as to why our running game has been so bad lately?
Is our poor QB play letting the D stack the box? Is our line really playing as bad as it seems?
Bitonio has hit the rookie wall; has for a couple of weeks now. That's one reason.
did you love it when he lost us a chance at the playoffs by throwing 1 TD to 8 picks?
Jesus Christ, let it go.
Now the defense will let down. just seems how it always works
And we immediately give up a gain of 21.
Why? He does have one. ..it was a nice throw but that was all run after catch..I don't really like either qbs but if we win it's all good
Does anyone have any opinions as to why our running game has been so bad lately?
Is our poor QB play letting the D stack the box? Is our line really playing as bad as it seems?
Ben Tate ?
So JF... think you can bulk up 30lbs this offseason and still be able to run and be effective?? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
LOL.. this front office and staff have an interesting off season ahead!
IF they survive... and that's a big if! Haslam fell in love with Harbaugh and he is OUT in Santa Clara. So.....
Heres where the defense folds and gives up the lead
That's why we watch this crap team!!!
Now let's WIN THIS..... Okay?
LOL. where was that play against the Colts?
You are polluting the thread for all of us. Don't tell me.
I'm to blame too.
It's over.
Why? He does have one. ..it was a nice throw but that was all run after catch..I don't really like either qbs but if we win it's all good
That may be one of the best throws I've seen Hoyer make this entire season though. YAC is YAC, but in the >8-9 yard range Hoyer's accuracy is like 1%, but that throw was right on the money.
I would bet there is dissention in the locker room over the QB issue. Just given the way they have responded to Manziel.
That one announcer is a moron. I wish he would stop talking...
another bootleg the entire world say coming but our D???
Can we please cover the bootleg on 3rd and short?
Do we have Defensive Ends??
Cam been doin this all day. they dont got nobody spyin him?!
Sheard is a pos cut him. .he gives nothing
Mack was a huge loss...on tops I think both of our backs are solid-good backs...I never saw them as a dual 1000 rushing pair as some had saw...they have talent but I don't think they are anything special... To their defense our Online sucks...center to right tackle
Can we just be happy we are winning??
You are polluting the thread for all of us. Don't tell me.
We were having a relevant discussion, you're not a moderator so don't worry about it.
refs terrible. that was a catch..as much as i hate to say it.
They have better wr 6 deep than our 1
Of course it was. Even though the ref looking right at it called it no good.
I would bet there is dissention in the locker room over the QB issue. Just given the way they have responded to Manziel.
I bet we won't see JM this year...no reason to bring him out. He needs a lot of mechanics work so he won't learn much next week - focus on offseason. The Browns will use the injury as a reason to not play him and keep him healthy for next season - IMHO.
Guess they will give them another
There was some movement, not sure if it's enough to call incomplete.
Why have refs? I'm tired of all this crap
So maddening when the offense comes to life the D always wilts.
Playing like Browns.
Our defense has no sense of how to play worth a lead. .that's coaching
did you love it when he lost us a chance at the playoffs by throwing 1 TD to 8 picks?
We all know you did.
Same play as the one to Gordon that they called incomplete for us ..... so it will be complete for them.
Sheard is a pos cut him. .he gives nothing
you cut Sheard you better cut Bigfoot too.
Sheard is playing out of position. He's a defensive end. Not his fault they went to a 3-4. One of the reason I wish we'd go back to a 4-3.
Why have refs? I'm tired of all this crap
These guys have been garbage all game.
Can we have 2 Kings in Cleveland?
Well, we were winning until now.
Need a turnover/hold em' to a FG, there is no way our offense can get another touchdown...
I would bet there is dissention in the locker room over the QB issue. Just given the way they have responded to Manziel.
I bet we won't see JM this year...no reason to bring him out. He needs a lot of mechanics work so he won't learn much next week - focus on offseason. The Browns will use the injury as a reason to not play him and keep him healthy for next season - IMHO.
I think Manziel will be gone next season.
did you love it when he lost us a chance at the playoffs by throwing 1 TD to 8 picks?
We all know you did.
Why would I? I'm no Johnny fan boy. But you act like Hoyer was playing AWESOME when he got benched.
Same play as the one to Gordon that they called incomplete for us ..... so it will be complete for them.
Good logic, YTown. It seems that is the same type the refs use.
Good D! Watch the coming Bootleg!!
they been pickin on Desir all game long. nice play in the endzone. he's nowhere to be found mid field tho
I would bet there is dissention in the locker room over the QB issue. Just given the way they have responded to Manziel.
I bet we won't see JM this year...no reason to bring him out. He needs a lot of mechanics work so he won't learn much next week - focus on offseason. The Browns will use the injury as a reason to not play him and keep him healthy for next season - IMHO.
I think Manziel will be gone next season.
:-)
Good play Desir.
I know someone called him out earlier, but I really don't think Desir has played too bad today. Especially, what seems to me, in his first significant playing time.
did anyone actually think the defense would hold
I would bet there is dissention in the locker room over the QB issue. Just given the way they have responded to Manziel.
I bet we won't see JM this year...no reason to bring him out. He needs a lot of mechanics work so he won't learn much next week - focus on offseason. The Browns will use the injury as a reason to not play him and keep him healthy for next season - IMHO.
I think Manziel will be gone next season.
If Manziel is gone after 1 1/2 games in his rookie year? Farmer is gone too! you don't trade up for a guy that busts THAT quickly and survive. If Manziel is already a bust then Farmer gets fired....
these second/third stringers are killin me here....
You know Carolinas problem?
Cam cares more about on field celebrations than being a good QB.
I hate our front 7 and our dc and the scheme. No discipline
Pettine and his buddy did not prepare for Cam newton running?? What were they thinking
Good play Desir.
I know someone called him out earlier, but I really don't think Desir has played too bad today. Especially, what seems to me, in his first significant playing time.
He was shaky earlier, but he has played better throughout the game. I was pretty rough on him in the first half.
I would bet there is dissention in the locker room over the QB issue. Just given the way they have responded to Manziel.
I bet we won't see JM this year...no reason to bring him out. He needs a lot of mechanics work so he won't learn much next week - focus on offseason. The Browns will use the injury as a reason to not play him and keep him healthy for next season - IMHO.
I think Manziel will be gone next season.
If Manziel is gone after 1 1/2 games in his rookie year? Farmer is gone too! you don't trade up for a guy that busts THAT quickly and survive. If Manziel is already a bust then Farmer gets fired....
Manziel won't be gone.
Zero logic to that conclusion.
Sad I hate to say this but I blame this game on the officiating and bad offensive play calling ... JMHO
Farmer will not get fired. Manziel was a Jimmy Haslam pick!
still plenty of time...another TD O - come on!
am i to believe that we have 2 straight TD scoring drives?!? i thinks not.
Get ready for a three and out and Stewart running the clock out
OK, now it's Hoyer to Gordon time...
did you love it when he lost us a chance at the playoffs by throwing 1 TD to 8 picks?
We all know you did.
Why would I? I'm no Johnny fan boy. But you act like Hoyer was playing AWESOME when he got benched.
Nobody is acting like he was playing awesome when he got benched. Correction, some of us are flabbergasted with the play of Mr. Football and would rather see a QB that at least knows the offense run it.
I hate our front 7 and our dc and the scheme. No discipline
You hate everything, it seems.
For those that want to resign hoyer, he already turned down a backup money contract. If he signs with us he will want a big bump in money. Starter money. And for more than one year. You sign him, he IS your QB for the foreseeable future. So that's the decision right there. Do you want this guy under center for the next three or more years?
yes
You know Carolinas problem?
Cam cares more about on field celebrations than being a good QB.
Skill aside, Newton and Manziel are probably not that different, Golden boys who will probably be fairly average.
Typical, finally score an offensive TD, and give the lead right back up
Everyone knew they'don't score.
The Winn call was all you needed to know.
Benji just saved the day!!!!
I would bet there is dissention in the locker room over the QB issue. Just given the way they have responded to Manziel.
I bet we won't see JM this year...no reason to bring him out. He needs a lot of mechanics work so he won't learn much next week - focus on offseason. The Browns will use the injury as a reason to not play him and keep him healthy for next season - IMHO.
I think Manziel will be gone next season.
If Manziel is gone after 1 1/2 games in his rookie year? Farmer is gone too! you don't trade up for a guy that busts THAT quickly and survive. If Manziel is already a bust then Farmer gets fired....
Manziel won't be gone.
Zero logic to that conclusion.
Not to hijack the thread - but could we afford the Cap hit or would there any negative impact?
THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL BY BENJI! JUST BEAUTIFUL!
Nice hustle Benji...and I never say that about him
Man Hoyer's deep ball sucks.
Idiot (thank God!) running around with the ball like that.
Heck of a play by Benjamin to get back. Man, great play by him.
A great play call by Shanny - executed to perfection!
Shouldn't they review that and give it back to Carolina?
Man, if Hoyer had a arm, that would be a TD.. Credit Benjamin for not giving up
Interesting way to gain 10 yards....
Wide open and underthrew the ball
10 yards the hard way, lol.
Hoyer throws a pick..... then we get it back. Hoyer throws the pick. so all you Hoyer fans must be happy. We all know how you love those....
play of the game if we win. F them refs!
That was just a weak throw
Benjamin is a rookie? Lmao nice hustle from bitinio too
"We will review the play on the field to see if there is any way to give Carolina the ball back."
Wow!!!
Shouldn't they review that and give it back to Carolina?
Thanks, Ed!! Because this game hasn't lasted long enough and I love hearing your voice....
That was an insane INT, but an insane play by Benji the other way!
play of the game if we win. F them refs!
Under review...how often does that go in our favor? that would be a cool stat to see which team in the league has more calls overturned?
That is why Hoyer will not get the big money!!.. He has no arm and makes questionable decisions.
That was just a weak throw
Now now, can't say anything bad about Hoyer. He's perfect in all things....
Interesting way to gain 10 yards....
That was a great line.
-Hey, it worked! lol
Bet they give them the ball back
Thanks Benji
"We will review the play on the field to see if there is any way to give Carolina the ball back."
He gave himself up!!!
Benji just got a game ball for that one.....probably going to say Benji touched him back on the INT though...just because that's our luck.
That was a great interception, i must say.
Yeah TD with a better throw.
Yes - a slant - keep it going - more slants!
Can we just run that play all the way down the field?
Short quick throws to Gordon should work all day!
let Crow run the clock down to 2 minutes.
You are right about that!!
Cameron Jordan? Lmao this announcer
Short quick throws to Gordon should work all day!
As Montana and Rice how well constant slants work for you!
We must lead the league in getting running plays blown up.
oline trash. omg just go home if u dont feel like doin your job
We would have been called for a horsecollar on that....
Do we have a 3rd QB active today?
Shannahan is coaching only on because of his daddy .... JMHO
Well hoyer is still out there. But he's hurting....
Radio saying line coach in the face of his Oline telling them to man up and give some time to Hoyer!
That hurt me watching it.
Hoyer has been a tough SOB physically this year.
Mentally...not so much.
You have to go for it here.
You punt here and that's game. ..another pettine fail
Weak play calling as usual
Our center and guard position was the problem all year.. And That punter is a idiot!!
Boy was Bernie ever right this is a loser mentality
I'd inquire about getting Harbaugh if he don't take Michigan job...we need a proven coach
Can Lanning do anything well?
God, he can't put anything inside the 20
dont let Cam run. if he does, game over.
That Punt should have been towards the sidelines!!.. What are they thinking
If you play in a league where an under 500 season gets you to the playoffs you have no league.
Lets see Pettine's clock management and if this D has enough left in the tank to get the ball back.
And that's why you don't punt it there.
Ball game 7-9 baby and another loser season
Scrolling through 93 pages of posts is almost as tough as watching our Browns sighhh
I don't want continuity if the continuity is bad coaching and drafting
That Punt should have been towards the sidelines!!.. What are they thinking
They aren't thinking, it's obvious the last five games
Well, this will be an interesting week. Who starts in the final game against the Birds?
Pettine going to take his timeouts home with him again.
He's got a ton to learn in the clock management department.
the 4th and 12 punt kinda sucked
did you love it when he lost us a chance at the playoffs by throwing 1 TD to 8 picks?
Jesus Christ, let it go.
Seriously!
The way Newton postures you'd think they were 12-2.
I don't want continuity if the continuity is bad coaching and drafting
This draft wasn't that bad outside the first round.
Pettine is a rookie coach who looks like he does not even know the basics. Why does the punter punt it to the sidelines. They blitz on 2nd down and give up 34 yards.. What the hell!!
Well, this will be an interesting week. Who starts in the final game against the Birds?
Probably really doesn't matter
The proverbial fat lady is gettin' ready to sing. To us. AGAIN.
I don't want continuity if the continuity is bad coaching and drafting
You have to give these guys time.
You have no idea if we are witnessing bad coaching and drafting.
What is up with this microwave society?
Pettine going to take his timeouts home with him again.
He's got a ton to learn in the clock management department.
I rather him learn with a different team. ..
This would be a lot easier to watch if I weren't getting shellacked in my Fantasy Football final. Oof.
My gawd does Mingo suck. We know no other than picking first round BUSTS
I can't help but to go back to our wasted first round pair of draft picks . Maybe Gilbert b comes servicable but Manziel was an all out wasted pick
Well, this will be an interesting week. Who starts in the final game against the Birds?
What's the name of our 3rd stringer? Might as well give him a shot if Johnny can't go.
Make a stop and we'll have 1 last gasp - can Hoyer pull another miracle?
Well, this will be an interesting week. Who starts in the final game against the Birds?
What's the name of our 3rd stringer? Might as well give him a shot if Johnny can't go.
conner shaw...he played well in preseason
LOL, I just heard we have 8 or so first downs to Carolina's 26.
Well, this will be an interesting week. Who starts in the final game against the Birds?
What's the name of our 3rd stringer? Might as well give him a shot if Johnny can't go.
that's funny
The eyeball test can see the lack of coaching and lack of playmaker is the evidence of bad drafting. Though I'd give farmer more time Than this staff..they've gotten worse
Well we still have a chance at .500
The way Newton postures you'd think they were 12-2.
I hate that "expletive deleted."
Why on earth did the organization let Manziel record a money sign gesture for the graphics department?
I can understand Manziel being that dumb, but the staff should know better.
Cleveland Douchebags do it again!
Why does this D constantly, constantly give up on plays? They are pathetic
LOL, I just heard we have 8 or so first downs to Carolina's 26.
Yea but that is offset by the 22 - 36 (soon 28) minute disparity in time of possession... ok not really....
This team absolutely blows. .they don't deserve fans
QB's had nothing to do with that..... our D just BLOWS!!!!
PLEASE go to a 4-3 in the off season! Or draft 4 linebackers!
Ballgame.
Kitchen is hurt too.
why do i tune in every week. this team disappoints at every opportunity.
game over. get JF another towel to wrap around his neck, he looks cold.
I told you so. This defense can not man up when necessary ...ball game
When will we win in December again?
LOL.
4 straight losses after 7-4 start ... give us hope only to rip our hearts out again
game over. get JF another towel to wrap around his neck, he looks cold.
this made me LOL
game over. get JF another towel to wrap around his neck, he looks cold.
Maybe he wishes he never sent that txt on draft day?
What a cut...from Jonathan Stewart...and what a lousy game from us again...this was the most winnable game (from the end of the season)...no way we win next week
The defense is pretty decimated by injuries right about now.
We should have been able to score more than 13 points against the Panthers.
Well who coaches the D??? You know I have that answer!!
How many times has this defense gave up a big run at the end of the game to seal a loss
We got losing streaks down
This team has no toughness, they are pansies and that's on this staff. .man I wish that trade for Harbaugh went through. ..I mean not like the 2 firsts we had did us much good
I told you so. This defense can not man up when necessary ...ball game
They are gassed, they've been on the field most of the game. We are weak on both sides of the ball right now. Lots and lots of work to do in the off season
This team has no toughness, they are pansies and that's on this staff. .man I wish that trade for Harbaugh went through. ..I mean not like the 2 firsts we had did us much good
Yeah changing coaches again is just the thing...GMAFB
How many times has this defense gave up a big run at the end of the game to seal a loss
Well, I guess when you play 45 minutes of a 60 minute game, you are bound to be exhausted due to inept O
I told you so. This defense can not man up when necessary ...ball game
They are gassed, they've been on the field most of the game. We are weak on both sides of the ball right now. Lots and lots of work to do in the off season
They are gassed because they can't stop anything. This loss is on them.
Gmafb that this staff has proven they are worth keeping. And I guess you can't read that I was talking about last offseason
I will always love my Browns but my patience is getting thinner @ 7-4 I thought we would at least win 8 games this year and I know we have one left but I have lost hope
I got 99 pages and a win ain't one...
I told you so. This defense can not man up when necessary ...ball game
They are gassed, they've been on the field most of the game. We are weak on both sides of the ball right now. Lots and lots of work to do in the off season
They are gassed because they can't stop anything. This loss is on them.
Really? They played almost the entire first half
What a CLUSTER. We are back to square one guys.. Not ONE threat on offense. Defense can't stop a cold. God, we are HARD to watch.
this team doesn't give a crap about us fans. they only care about reeling us in for season tickets.
and Pettine can go kick rocks. i wish he was in his 3rd season here so he can be eligible for termination. instead he's gonna get another shot at conservative, idiotic playcalling.
I told you so. This defense can not man up when necessary ...ball game
They are gassed, they've been on the field most of the game. We are weak on both sides of the ball right now. Lots and lots of work to do in the off season
That is 2 straight weeks they were on the field for over 38 minutes..that is a lot to keep asking for this late when you have a lot of injuries as well...
JFF sure looks tiny when standing next to Newton shaking hands
We have two wasteful first round draft picks to look forward too
The defense is pretty decimated by injuries right about now.
We should have been able to score more than 13 points against the Panthers.
This defense has sucked almost all year. We get NO pressure. None. Can't stop the run at ALL. That's been true all year!
That's freaking ridiculous that you kick it back the Carolina...what a bunch of absolute losers!! It's getting really hard for me to continue being a fan of this garbage!
Well, that's it for me. I hope everyone has a wonderful Christmas! Be safe out there guys. Peace
This team has no toughness, they are pansies and that's on this staff. .man I wish that trade for Harbaugh went through. ..I mean not like the 2 firsts we had did us much good
Yeah changing coaches again is just the thing...GMAFB
Both of you guys are right.
All Pettine did was preach toughness...physical and mental.
And all the team did was wilt when it mattered most...just like under every other staff.
Still have to stick with him.
Changing coaches is not the answer.
He should get a subpar review from Haslam and told he needs to improve.
But he needs to be given that opportunity.
This really makes you question the scouts and ability to evaluate draft picks for this team. Bring someone in who knows how to evaluate talent
I told you so. This defense can not man up when necessary ...ball game
They are gassed, they've been on the field most of the game. We are weak on both sides of the ball right now. Lots and lots of work to do in the off season
They are gassed because they can't stop anything. This loss is on them.
Yeah giving up long drives and Stewart getting a ton of yards. The offense was not good, but sooner or later the D has to stop something.
Really? They played almost the entire first half
That's freaking ridiculous that you kick it back the Carolina...what a bunch of absolute losers!! It's getting really hard for me to continue being a fan of this garbage!
Yeah Pettine had to know we weren't getting the ball back.
He was more concerned about playing the odds so he wouldn't get questioned about it later.
For all his posturing of mental toughness, he usually shows very little.
They couldn't stop Stewart running down their throat, and Manzeil cant get a first down.
We took the lead and the defense gave up a score on like 6 plays..pitiful.
I told you so. This defense can not man up when necessary ...ball game
They are gassed, they've been on the field most of the game. We are weak on both sides of the ball right now. Lots and lots of work to do in the off season
They are gassed because they can't stop anything. This loss is on them.
Yeah giving up long drives and Stewart getting a ton of yards. The offense was not good, but sooner or later the D has to stop something.
Really? They played almost the entire first half
Absolutely, how many first downs did JF get? Not sure of the number but it wasn't many compared to Carolina
That's freaking ridiculous that you kick it back the Carolina...what a bunch of absolute losers!! It's getting really hard for me to continue being a fan of this garbage!
thats that "playin not to lose" crap that he's been doin all year. this guy has no cajones.
228 yards of total offense for the Browns today.
That is a cross between anemic and pathetic.
I hate to get too carried away, but I really have to wonder if we don't need a QB ........
Manziel hasn't had much of a chance, but he really hasn't shown much either. He looks like a guy who is going to need a great OL in front of him, and he was supposed to be the guy who makes his OL better. He also looks really, really small. I also wonder if the NFL hasn't caught on to how to play these running QBs. I hate to think that maybe we came in on the back end of the trend, instead of on the front of the trend.
I just don't know what to think. I know that we probably are a 9-11 win teams with just average, competent QB play ..... however the Center position has not only not helped this team, but has really hurt.
I have this really weird feeling that we will wind up making a play for Mark Sanchez in the off-season. I have heard that Pettine really likes him, and if he plays under control, in a limited manner, then that is a role in which he has been effective in the past. I dislike the guy as a QB, but as much as I dislike him, I think that we would be a 9-10 win team with him under Center.
*Sigh* I really don't know what to think. I am more concerned about Manziel with every passing week, and for more reasons each week.
*Sigh*
[quote=WhatCanBrownDo4U]That's freaking ridiculous that you kick it back the Carolina...what a bunch of absolute losers!! It's getting really hard for me to continue being a fan of this garbage!
thats that "playin not to lose" crap that he's been doin all year. this guy has no cajones. [/quote
Nothing new with this team over the years
That's freaking ridiculous that you kick it back the Carolina...what a bunch of absolute losers!! It's getting really hard for me to continue being a fan of this garbage!
Yeah Pettine had to know we weren't getting the ball back.
He was more concerned about playing the odds so he wouldn't get questioned about it later.
For all his posturing of mental toughness, he usually shows very little.
new coaches are just like politicians. they feed u all that BS to get u to rally behind them. once they get the job, all that talk is nowhere to be found. Pettine was nothin but a smooth operator his first month or 2 here.
[quote=Spiritbro77]Hoyer throws a pick..... then we get it back. Hoyer throws the pick. so all you Hoyer fans must be happy. We all know how you love those.... [/quote I know it's was only 1 and 1/2 games but I didn't even JM throw a deep ball. I guess that's one way over ball security
J/C ..... it was 4th and 13 when we punted. It's not like it was 4th and 1 or 2. There were 3 minutes left in the game. Punting was the right call.
... we probably are a 9-11 win teams with just average, competent QB play .....
Agreed!!! Whether we need another QB or not, I don't know, but a lack of competent QB play has held us back this season...
