I TOLD YOU. And I was laughed at. . I was made fun of. .. When all I was trying to do was help by spreading truth. . SMH.

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Oh but when I said your front office is the cause of your problems I was told to to be quiet? When I said their is a cloud of bitterness and despair around Cleveland I was mocked?




Sooooo. When I said that the owner is not interested in winning. . He is only interested in lining his pockets with your hard earned cash. I told you he constructed this circus to keep you looking for the NEXT BIG THING. Keep you excited for the next superstar that will bring the Clowns out of the basement of the Afc North. You will gladly pay for merchandise. . . . And you all refused to see it. You laughed and joked your way into the basement of the Afc North once again?



SMH. And I found this article in the Pure Football forum. . FINALLY the Dawg Pound is waking up. Once can only hope it is not too late.

Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

SMH. SMH indeed

The truly sad thing is that Clown fans will avoid this thread because they do not want to face the truth. Not saying its your fault totally. .But your team SUCKS. And it starts from your corrupt front office.

They do NOT have your best interests at heart. They do NOT want to build a winning culture. They DO want to make money first. If they happen to win while doing that cool. But it is not there priority.

Let us rally my pound puppy friends. Let us rally and take down your rancid regime.

And people wonder why I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns indeed!

Yawn....

Wow!



This generation of Clown fans are really lethargic and lazy! They would rather sit back and sip their beers and support trash and be happy. Maybe they really are losers and deserve a losing product on the field to match their apathy.





This is such a demonic turn of events. SMH. Poor Clowns! Poor Clowns Indeed!

And what would you do, Mr. Clown, if it were your team? Would you jump ship and run away?

Base on his amazement at how we stick without team (who wouldn't be amazed) I'd say he absolutely would jump ship.

Probably has a Ratbird jersey in his closet just in case.

Probably time to retire this one.

Quite the opposite my gravy train loving Dawg. I would take the fight to management. You see. . I admire you Clown fans. You truly are Dawgs. You are loyal. But dont let the loyalty blind you friend. There are ways to put pressure on your corrupt front office. There are ways to let your displeasure be shown and heard in regards to the bullcrap antics they have been pulling. . WHILE fully standing behind your team.


Its better than the alternative. .Which is sitting here every offseason saying other teams suck. . which is untrue. The truth is that YOUR team sucks.

So if you are tired of your team being a laughingstock then I say HOWL your displeasure. And turn the Clowns into the Browns once more.

I truly hope this happens. . But until it does. . I will say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Sticking with your team? STICKING with your team? Being to lazy to tell management that they are sucking while making them rich is your idea of sticking with your team?




And some wonder why the Browns are called Clowns.


No my tick infested friend. What you are doing is the absolute WORST thing you could do for your team. You enable a criminal ownership. You willingly buy into their scam that they are making a contender year after year. You buy the merchandise. You sell out the stadiums. You make your owners rich. Which. . to be honest is there job.


They are employers after all. . But you can not honestly say. . in this time of parity in the NFL. . That it is just blind dumb luck that the Clowns have not been successful since they came back. Every team in the NFL has up and down seasons. Except for the Clowns. It is always down.

Why is that? I will tell you why. Your front office is not interested in building a champion. They are interested in your grubby dollars. And instead of calling them out on it. You will sit here act like your on the cusp of greatness. . . .Whats the Clowns mantra? Wait till next year?



They have been fooling yall with the same song and dance each year and you fall for it each time. . I say lets teach a old Dawg some new tricks. Once they do. . I will no longer have to say. Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Why do you only use the faces of dark skinned people in your posts?

I saw a Jew in there somewhere.

It's 2015. Does it really matter?






SMH. Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

It truly is sad. The Clowns will go out and spend 150 million for a few overrated players in Free Agency and Clown fans will rejoice claiming they are a legit playoff team. Shortly after that the bottom falls out leading to another 5-11 season. It's a never ending cycle that only Stain fans refuse to see.

You're off by a couple on our record in both those columns this year junior.

....and yet we've won a playoff game more recently than the bungles.

Sadly for you the only Clowns are the ones in Berea. Lets not act bitter and demonic. Lets change the culture of losing. . Turn that Clown frown upside down.



And bring BACK the proud culture of the Browns.


Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

OK Mr Fudd I am just proud of you for not typing cwowns. Now if we could just keep you from pronouncing it that in your cartoons we could be on to something.

I always meant to ask you friend. . . .What does the "GM" stand for in your username?




And as always. Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Oh....how fascinating, please......tell me more.

General Manager

What more would you like to know friend? Is not the evidence of what I have been preaching evident?


Look at the state of your squad. . The turmoil that seems to follow. . All teams deal with adversity. But they bounce back. Look at the Ravens. They had the whole Ray Rice Fiasco last off season. . Yet they still made the playoffs and beat the AFC North champs in the playoffs.


The Clowns have a comedy of errors each year. . And you fall deeper and deeper into the basement of the AFC North. . When you think about it . . it is quite demonic.


So I say Poor Clowns. . Poor Clowns Indeed!

That is what I thought but I wanted to make sure.



Now you are a long term poster. You and I sparred verbally for years before I changed my ways and decided instead of hunting Clowns. . I know want to help them.



I dont know if you are a General Manager of a company in real life. . But if not. Pretend you are for a moment. . As a General Manager of a FAILING company. A company that flounders each quarter. Does not meet production deadlines. Delivers SUBPAR products.


As a General Manager. Is it not your job to turn the ship around. . If you know your company has a recent history of being LAST in their industry. Would you not take drastic measures to turn it around?


Would you not get rid of the ones who are part of the losing culture? Sure you would. So join me friend. Join us in over throwing your crooked front office. We already got rid of Lerner. . Haslem is proving to be even worse!!

Help me help you. If we are successful. . Then one day I will no longer have to say. . Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Ah my poor confused Steelers friend. Change does not happen over night and while it is true that we have been screwing up since we returned in 1999, we are now on the right path. We are building toward the future instead of expecting instant success. So sit back relax, and enjoy watching the Browns improve at the same time the Steelers start to tank.

Unfortunately, The Clown is correct. This POS franchise is going no where. I used to admire the optimism of some people on these boards but now I think they are in drug induced euphoria, have untreated mental illness, are totally ignorant of our lackluster history, or would find a tremendous upside in even the 9/11 disaster. This franchise should have never returned and Cleveland would definitely be better off without them.

Please feel free to go root for the Steelers Dean.

just clicking but obviously you have waaaaay too much time on your hands....all the pictures and what not. In other words get a life, or at least a board of your team and bore them with you picture filled post.

You are EXACTLY correct! Change does not happen overnight in the NFL.


But even you my dimwitted friend must admit that the NFL is built for parity. You are actually rewarded for subpar play by getting higher draft picks. You are rewarded with compensatory picks if you lose a player to free agency. You are given a weaker schedule the next year if you were not as competitive the year before.

Each year we hear about the teams that have turned it around and are the surprise in their division. But only one playoff appearance since 99?


Two playoff winning seasons since 99?


Multiple first round BUSTS?



It is truly amazing when you look at it. Barely competent play. Like I said before. . It is not dumb luck that the Clowns have not had success since they have come back. Two winning seasons friend. No playoff wins friend. Multiple fiascos friend. Bust after bust. . etc. . . There is something more sinister at play. Borderline demonic actually.

So. . you are NOT on the right path. You are not building towards the future.



Unless you count the future as the basement of the AFC North.

For years the Clowns have been saying they are almost there. "Wait till next year" And for years I have been saying. Poor Clowns. . Poor Clowns Indeed!

My posts are not your cup of tea?



Its ok friend. They are having the same debate in your Pure Football forum. Some agree with my point of view. Some do not. But I am happy because FINALLY there is a dialog.

So in response to your post my friend. All I have to say is Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Poor Elmer would you like o discuss the path the Steelers were on from 1933 to 1971?

If you wish. The Steelers from the mid thirties till the seventy one SUCKED. No spin. No smack. They sucked. They righted a wrong, and now are the most successful team in the modern football era.



Can you honestly say that since 99 till present that the Clowns SUCK? That they have by far been the worst team in our division? Clowns fans bluster and talk loudly while getting drunk at the Muni lot. But deep down the ether is burning your souls slow. Your team SUCKS. . currently. Are you man enough to admit it?



If you are not. . Then I know I still have work to do. Because if you cant even admit the state of your current team. . Then how the heck can you be put in a position to help change it for the better?




Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

The Cleveland Browns Are In A Bad Place





I will repeat this again. .

Browns fans deserve better than seeing their team become a laughingstock.

I have literally been saying this same thing for years. And its finally getting national attention. It is finally getting the attention of the Clowns fans. Take a look in your own vaunted Pure Football forum. There are still the Clowns Kool-Aid drinkers. Most likely agents of Haslem. But more and more Dawgs are showing their frustration. They are noticing that the Clowns Front Office does not have their best interests at heart.

Lets continue to bring awareness folks! Until we win. . I will say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Elmer, Elmer, Elmer have you ever heard me say we were great since coming back in 1999? Let me answer that for you my slow witted friend. NOPE just look at our record. yes we have sucked but as i said earlier we are on the right track to turning things around. I am now buying stock in Puffs as the tears that will be soon flowing from the Steeler fans when it's their turn to wallow in the basement for a while will allow me to retire in a comfy manor and enjoy myself.

Excellent! You admit that your team since 99 SUCKS. You admit there is a problem. So you are halfway there my mange infested friend.

As to your other points. Sigh.


The focus on the Steelers is un healthy. They should be the least of your worries or concerns. The Clowns have been saying for years. Literally years. . That there time is near and they cant wait till the Steelers are in the basement. ( Another variation of Wait till Next Year )

How could we forget 2013 when the Steelers started out 0-4. Clown fans were giddy. Delirious with glee. Why? Cause the Steelers were struggling? How did that year turn out for you though?

Both first round picks? Busts
Starting QB? IR
First year Coach? Fired
Place in the AFC North? Basement.

Meanwhile the Steelers surged and finished without a losing record. You see my Heartworm medicine taking friend. . Acting demonic and hoping for the downfall of others only leads you to ruin.

And people wonder why I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

The truth spoken in the post is so refreshing.


Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

ROTFLMFAO Says the Steeler fan posting on a Browns message board. Something about all your posts really smells Elmer

The difference my canine buddy is you and your Clown brethren are focused on the negative. Focused on being bitter. Focused on bringing negative energy and wishing the downfall of a team that is actually not the reason that your team sucks. I only wish to help the Clown nation


Its funny actually. You spend time trying to "smack" talk teams that are BETTER than yours.


But you are too scared to use that energy towards attacking the regime that is responsible for keeping your squad in the basement of the AFC North where it is cold and damp and chills to the bone.


That is pretty demonic behavior if you ask me. So try to stop the attacks on teams who job it is to try and beat you. And attack the front office who is supposed to help. . but are actually the ones beating your team before they even have a chance to step on the field.

Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

R.I.F. Elmer Do you see me dwelling on the negative? Go look up my posts so you can see your still shooting blanks around here.

BTW if you want to see fans go off the deep end just pay attention to Steeler fans when they lose two in a row. When yinz lost 4 in a row nobody and I mean NOBODY wore their Steeler gear around here. They all threw in the towel and quit even watching the games. They whined and cryied more than a nursury full of babies in the hospital. It was funny as hell.

What?? GM. . I consider you a friend. . But you literally just said wrote this not that long ago in this very thread.



In a thread that is about informing and helping Clown fans. You insert negative demonic taunts towards another team. . . Why though? Have I taunted your team? No. I expressed my displeasure with your front office and their tactics of keeping you under bondage while keeping them rich.


Instead of calling out your corrupt corporate owners. . you turn on Steeler fans? Like they have something to do with the situation your team is in. . SMH. . It is no wonder I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Poor old Elmer always shooting and missing and so easily confused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQcccIfy7mE

Is this clown hunter guy the same guy who came to the board years ago claiming he was a cop but was really just mall security ?

No, that was crimefighter or something like that. He and his counterpart cube were just a couple of losers who got caught up in their own lies. Clownhunter is pretty consistent (read redundant) with his schtick.

Pretty consistent is exactly what I am. I have been preaching the truth to the Clown Nation for years. I am just thankful the Dawgs have finally cocked an ear to listen.


Lets pray that soon action will follow because we know that now is when the Clowns front office ramps up their rhetoric. They use the offseason as a way to trick the dimwitted Dawg fans into supporting trash. And they always seem to fall for it.


Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

That wasn't an ear that we cocked and pointed your way...

True Steeler fans have been supporting Big Ben for years which leads one to say...

Poor Steelers. Poor Steelers Indeed!

Am I on a realgm forum?

LOL Vambo, that lil Ben pick keeps cracking me up...

Wow. Such bitterness and hate towards someone who means you no ill will. Why friend?

I only wish the best for you and the Clown Nation. You should bottle up that angst and do something productive with it my friend. Something like. . .

Pointing it towards your corrupt team owner.


Hopefully then the Clowns will get out of the Basement of the Afc North and the Clowns will be restored back to the Browns! Until then. . . Of course its Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Not sure what this has to do with the Clowns current plight. . .



I will say this though. The Clown fans have been supporting a blatantly corrupt owner. . Makes one think they enjoy being in the basement of the Afc North.



Hmmm. What a distressing thought. . Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

I have been literally saying this word for word. The Clown fans deserve better!


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It reeks of shoddy ownership that they have not picked one of these great young wideouts in the draft. smh

Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

distressing Indeed!

I have a few questions Vambo.



1. What does the Steelers. . Or any other team have to do with the state of the Clowns?

2. Do you believe that your team has been generally horrible since coming back because. . . A. Bad luck. or B. Shoddy front office.

3. Where do you see the Clowns in the next two years. Whats your prediction?



Oh yes. Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Still in Pittsburgh!

Hey Vambo. Hey friend.

What do you think you guys can do to turn this ship around? What needs to happen to get you out of the basement of the AFC North where it is cold and damp and chills to the bone?

I truly believe that we can help each other and restore the Browns name.


p.s. Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

So you want to help Mike Brown?

http://www.tmz.com/2014/12/10/chris-rock-ben-roethlisberger-the-original-bill-cosby/

I hate to say I told you so but. . . . .

Lets see some first game reactions of some Clown fans after being hyped up in the offseason by the Clowns regime.


I cannot argue with anything here.


Sad but true.










Look like a Clown play like a Clown







Its times like these that cause me to say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

EGAD !!!!! Somewhere in this world there is a Mother in this world who is mortified that this was done to her poor childs picture..

Welcome back Curly

We will be okay guys, just hang in there.

It's a Steelers fan, they probably had it enlarged framed and it hangs over the TV.

Sadly this is all the Clown fan want. A chance to taste Lombardi sweetness in their lifetimes. There is a whole generation of Clown fans who have been ROBBBED of this by your corrupt owners.

Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

I thought there was some smack going on in here, then I see it's just Elmer Fudd again. Which means no smack is going on.

I hate to say I told you so.....but...


Sigh.

Now you see why I say Poor Clowns... Poor Clowns Indeed.

Mr. Hunter you are giving the Clowns too much credit. I'm tired of hearing "they sucked since 99". They sucked before the move, losing 6 straight to the Steelers before they were sent packing to Baltimore.

In 1990 they were 3-13, followed by 6-10, 7-9, 7-9, 11-5, and 6-10.

Then they got the hell out of clowntown and won a Super Bowl...and the new browns simply picked up where the old browns left off.

A little girl just spanked the clowns today! Poor clowns indeed!

Mike Petine! Good one vambo!

Goofy Mask?

He's the dawg with the Goofy mask.

[quote=Clown Hunter]I hate to say I told you so.....but...


Sigh.

Now you see why I say Poor Clowns... Poor Clowns Indeed.

Mr Blutarsky

Grade point average 0.0

That says it all when it comes to your brains, and your smack.

Look at your threads at the start of the season. Look at the enthusiasm you showed... Look at the positive rhetoric being pumped out of your front office.


Now look at you and your teams record in the middle of November.....Instead of fighting to make the. Playoffs...You are fighting to hold the Afc North Basement Crown.

It's so demonic friend. Never forget that I told you this would happen. Sigh.... Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

OK Elmer honest question. Who are you going to be rooting for when the Browns play the Ravens again lol

Three little piggies?
Are children allowed to post here?

Your smack is worse than your team.

The irony!

#1. Who is Elmer??

#2. Who I root for does not really matter. What matters is the mindset of the Cleveland fans. What matters is that your crooked front office no longer gets away with robbing the fans blind. What matters is that the once proud Browns organization gets restored. It's good for the Nfl.

Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed.

Way to screw that quote up Mr 0.0

You are Mr Fudd. Now do you need us to be vewy, vewy, qwiet while you try to hunt bwons fans? It won't help you will still suck at it, but at least then you might be able to hear all those voices in your head fighting.

Oh and you still tried to skate around the answer.

I am so tired of Steeler fans coming here and rubbing our noses in it. I have a good feeling about next season. The Steelers and Ben will be even older and our young guys are going to start showing the fruit of critical playing time this season. JFF will surpass Big Ben and our defense is only a player away from top 5. You heard it here first.

The Pittsburgh Steelers history of cheating

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The New England Patriots, their quarterback and head coach have been marred in the recent DeflateGate scandal to the point of it being overkill. Nonetheless, some wise, and extremely bored, football fans took it upon themselves to dig into the NFL history books and find every possible scenario each NFL team has been caught cheating in some way, shape or form.

Believe it or not, the Pittsburgh Steelers are listed as the second team of all 32 in terms of biggest cheaters in NFL history. Before you click on the link to take you to YourTeamCheats.com and tell the authors how you feel, you should know a few things about the site. First, obviously the Steelers would have more cheating claims than a team like the Baltimore Ravens as the Ravens haven't been in the NFL as long. Also, some of the claims against the Steelers are very mundane and to the point of sheer assumption.

Take a look at some of the highlights of the Steelers' claim to fame in the cheating game:



Impedegate (2013)

TEAM: The Pittsburgh Steelers

SUMMARY: With 6:26 left in the third quarter of their 2013 Thanksgiving night game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Baltimore Ravens receiver Jacoby Jones took a kickoff back and had to alter his path because Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin had stepped onto the field. Jones returned the kick 73 yards, but was tackled by defensive back Cortez Allen on the play, and Baltimore had to settle for a field goal on the drive.

Said NFL VP of Officiating Dean Blandino: "In that instance, the referee could basically penalize the team whatever he deems equitable, which could include giving the Ravens a touchdown. That's not the case here, but certainly coach Tomlin was in the white. He should have been flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct."

In December 2010, the league fined the New York Jets the same amount after a sideline wall established by strength coach Sal Alosi resulted in Alosi tripping Dolphins cornerback Nolan Carroll. Alosi was suspended indefinitely by the team and resigned in January 2011.

VICTIM: Baltimore Ravens (Specifically, WR Jacoby Jones)

PUNISHED? Yes

PUNISHMENT: Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin was fined $100,000 by NFL Executive Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson for stepping onto the field during his team's 22-20 loss to the Baltimore Ravens. The Steelers could have lost 2014 draft picks if the play had impacted the Ravens 2013 playoff standing. It didn't.

Cheapsgate (6x since 2010)

TEAM: The Pittsburgh Steelers

SEVERITY:scale

SUMMARY: Players who freely use illegal hits as part of their game give themselves an unfair advantage versus those who play by the rules. A team's cheap shots fined below $25K are not counted at all. Individual cheap shots are penalized very lightly (0.25 cameras per $25K fine). It's only when a team puts together a string of cheap shots that the overall severity rises to a significant level. I'm looking at your Detroit.

Example 1: $35K fine with no suspension = 0.35 cameras. Example 2: $55K fine and one game suspension = 0.55 + 0.75 = 1.3 cameras. Example 3: $125K fine and two game suspension = 1.25 + 0.75 + 0.75 = 2.75 cameras. A team's cheap shot points are summed and rounded to the nearest whole or half camera rating.

OLB James Harrison (2010: $25K for roughing the passer)
OLB James Harrison (2010: $75K for a hit on a defenseless player)
OLB James Harrison (2011: suspended 1 game for illegal hit on a QB)
S Ryan Clark (2011: $40K for helmet-to-helmet hit)
G Chris Kemoeatu (2011: $25K for a late hit)
ILB Terence Garvin (2013: $25K for a hit on a defenseless player)

Notable incidents below the established criteria:
WR Antonio Brown (2014: $8K for karate kicking Browns P Spencer Lanning in the face)

VICTIM: The entire league

PUNISHED? Yes

PUNISHMENT: Each player was fined the amount listed with Harrison receiving a one-game suspension in 2011 as well as one of the largest fines ($75,000) for an illegal hit. Since 2010, the Steelers have the most players fined or suspended for blatantly dangerous and illegal hits on opponents.

Crampgate (2012)

TEAM: The Pittsburgh Steelers

SUMMARY: In November of 2012 the NFL fined Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders $15,000 and the Steelers organization another $35,000 for Sanders' faking of an injury against the Cincinnati Bengals on Oct. 21, 2012.

Said NFL Executive Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson: "Despite the account given by Sanders during our November 2nd meeting, neither the video sequence of the pertinent plays nor the observations of the on-field official support Sanders's contention that he was in severe pain, either before, while falling to the ground, lying on the ground, or when he was being assisted in leaving the field," said in a letter to the Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert and Sanders.

"Moreover, after missing the one play that is mandatory pursuant to the playing rules, and receiving no apparent treatment, Sanders returned to the game for a fourth down punt, on which he out sprinted all of his teammates 26 yards down the field, arriving at the ball ahead of all other Pittsburgh players, and then downing the ball.

"The video of the play shows Sanders running swiftly and effortlessly toward the punted ball, and then leaving the field with no sign of discomfort. Sanders also played the rest of the game without difficulty. Finally, there is no indication that Sanders has had prior cramping issues while in the NFL, and no Steelers' medical records or information of any kind were presented that would support a finding that he incurred a cramp that was both as serious and as transient as Sanders suggests."

VICTIM: Cincinnati Bengals

PUNISHED? Yes

PUNISHMENT: The NFL fined Sanders $15,000 and the Steelers organization another $35,000. Also: NO SUPER BOWLS SINCE CRAMPGATE!

These are just a few of the many the website lists of the Pittsburgh Steelers' history of cheating in the NFL. Take a look for yourself and see why the Steelers were able to garner 'Elite Cheater' status.

Steroidgate (1970-2007) flag
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TEAM: The Pittsburgh Steelers

SEVERITY:scale

SUMMARY: Richard Rydze, a Pittsburgh Steelers team doctor from 1985 to 2007, was indicted in 2012 for his long history of purchasing and illegally prescribing anabolic steroids, human growth hormones and painkillers. The physician was also charged with health care fraud for falsely diagnosing more than 90 patients with pituitary dwarfism so they could receive human growth hormones and drugs meant to counteract the side-effects of steroid use.

Rydze was also on the customer list of an Orlando, FL, pharmacy that was raided in February 2007 as part of an interstate steroids ring. Rydze was questioned then about buying $150,000 worth of testosterone and human growth hormone on his credit card in 2006, but was not charged in that investigation.

The Steelers dropped Rydze from their roster of doctors in June 2007.

In the decade prior to Rydze's tenure, many Steelers also admitted to using steroids to gain an advantage. Former Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw admitted in 2008 that he used steroids during his playing career. Bradshaw said on Dan Patrick's radio show: “We did steroids to get away the aches and the speed of healing. My use of steroids from a doctor was to speed up injury, and thought nothing of it. It was to speed up the healing process, that was it. It wasn't to get bigger and stronger and faster.”

Former Saints coach Jim Haslett accused the '70s Steelers of being "the ones who kind of started" steroid use in the NFL.

Said Haslett: "It started, really, in Pittsburgh. They got an advantage on a lot of football teams. They were so much stronger (in the) '70s, late '70s, early '80s.

Former Vikings and Giants quarterback Fran Tarkenton corroborated Haslett's story in a June 2009 interview, saying: "We’re playing the Steelers in the Super Bowl in ’75 or ’76 … we’re on the field warming up, and I see these Steeler offensive linemen with their sleeves rolled up, and they've got these bulging muscles. Later, we found out it that … these guys were juiced … all of them."

"We talk now about (former baseball stars) Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds. But how about the Steelers of that era? Did that make a difference? Yeah, it made a difference. It increased their performance.”

VICTIM: The entire league

PUNISHED? No but ... it's more probable than not that this was cheating

PUNISHMENT: Predictably, the Steelers and Rydze denied that he ever gave steroids to any Steelers players because the team would never compromise the wellbeing of their players or the integrity of the game by using performance enhancing substances. More likely, with the Steelers long history of steroid cheating, having this doctor on staff made perfect sense for the team. Once his name was released in 2007 as a customer of the steroid company, however, the Steelers wisely decided to go in another direction.

The Steelers and Chargers were well out in front of their opponents on leveraging steroids to gain a competitive advantage. During this period, the Steelers also happened to win 4 Super Bowls. It is more probable than not that the Steelers teams of the 70s were so heavily juiced compared to the rest of the league that these Super Bowls are deeply tainted.
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Pittsburgh Steelers Arrest Records

Antwon Blake
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: March 15, 2015


Alcohol


ason Gildon
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: March 15, 2003


Description: Accused of refusing to leave club after being told they didn't meet the dress code.
Outcome: Diversion program, 60 hours of community service.
Marvel Smith
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: July 12, 2002


Drugs



Description: Accused of marijuana possession at a hotel room in Tempe, Ariz., after police were called about the smell.
Outcome: Charge dropped.
Plaxico Burress
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: May 11, 2002


Alcohol



Description: Accused of being drunk in public and causing disturbances in Virginia Beach.
Outcome: Deferred disposition. Charged dropped if he stays clean for a year.
Plaxico Burress
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: December 24, 2001


Alcohol



Description: Cited for carrying an open container of alcohol (beer) in the Cleveland warehouse district.
Outcome: Pleaded no contest, $50 fine, $100 court costs.



Description: Accused of being drunk in public in Oceanside, Calif.
Outcome: Resolution undetermined.
LeGarrette Blount
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: August 20, 2014


Drugs



Description: Was riding in passenger seat when police pulled over car driven by teammate Le'Veon Bell. Suspected of possessing bag with about 20 ounces of marijuana.
Outcome: Diversion program, 50 hours of community service in exchange for dismissal of charge.
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Le'Veon Bell
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: August 20, 2014


Drugs



Description: Pulled over and suspected of marijuana possession with teammate LeGarrette Blount in passenger seat.
Outcome: Diversion program, 15 months probation, suspended license for 60 days.
Chris Rainey
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: January 10, 2013


Domestic Violence



Description: Accused of slapping girlfriend in face in dispute over cell phone.
Outcome: Pleaded no contest to disorderly conduct, $500 in fines and costs. Released by team hours later.
Alameda Ta'amu
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: October 14, 2012


DUI



Description: Accused of resisting arrest, eluding police and drunk driving after hitting several parked cars
Outcome: Resolution undetermined.
Hines Ward
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: July 09, 2011


DUI



Description: Accused of drunk driving in Georgia after being pulled over about 2:30 a.m.
Outcome: Pleaded guilty to reckless driving in plea deal. One year probation, $2,000 fine.
Jeff Reed
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: October 18, 2009


Alcohol



Description: Cited for resisting arrest, public intoxication in confrontation with police outside a Pittsburgh bar with teammate Matt Spaeth.
Outcome: Diversion program, 40 hours community service, then cleared.
Matt Spaeth
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: October 18, 2009


Description: Cited for public urination outside a Pittsburgh bar. Teammate Jeff Reed was arrested as part of the same incident.
Outcome: Resolution undetermined.
Jeff Reed
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: February 14, 2009


Disorderly Conduct



Description: Police said he broke towel dispenser in convenience store after finding it out of towels, also used profane language at employee.
Outcome: Pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct and criminal mischief, fined $543.50. Arrested again in October 2009.
Jonathan Dekker
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: January 24, 2009


Description: Accused of fleeing police and giving a false name after apparent public intoxication in Alexandria, Va.
Outcome: Acquitted by judge.
Santonio Holmes
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: October 23, 2008


Drugs



Description: Pulled over because police were looking for similar car, marijuana cigars found in his car by police.
Outcome: Dropped after prosecutors agreed the search warrant wasn't specific enough.
Cedrick Wilson
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: March 19, 2008


Domestic Violence



Description: Accused of punching ex-girlfriend in the face, disorderly conduct at restaurant.
Outcome: Diversion program, anger counseling. Released by team the next day.
James Harrison
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: March 08, 2008


Domestic Violence



Description: Accused of hitting his girlfriend during argument about whether to baptize his son, simple assault, mischief.
Outcome: Charges dropped. He also underwent anger counseling.
Najeh Davenport
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: October 04, 2007


Domestic Violence



Description: In Cleveland custody dispute, he allegedly slapped and choked mother of his son, age 5. Also charged with child endangerment.
Outcome: Acquitted.
Richard Seigler
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: May 10, 2007


Pimping



Description: Accused of persuading a woman to become a prostitute, living from earnings of prostitute in Las Vegas.
Outcome: Charges dropped in 2008. Released by team.
Deshea Townsend
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: March 04, 2007


Assault/Battery



Description: Accused of taking part in brawl in Pittsburgh bar.
Outcome: Charged dropped for lack of evidence.
Barrett Brooks
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: August 06, 2006


Description: Police said he recklessly drove his motorcycle, drove through stop signals and led them on a chase.
Outcome: Apologized, pleaded guilty, court costs
Santonio Holmes
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: June 19, 2006


Domestic Violence



Description: Mother of his children called 911 and said Holmes choked her and slammed her into a door in Ohio.
Outcome: Charge dropped after woman was reluctant to testify.
Santonio Holmes
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: May 27, 2006


Disorderly Conduct



Description: One of hundreds of partiers arrested and accused of disorderly conduct in Miami Beach over Memorial Day weekend.
Outcome: Fined $250 and charge dropped.
Trai Essex
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Date of Incident: February 18, 2006


Disorderly Conduct



Description: Accused of resisting an officer and disorderly conduct outside club in Miami.
Outcome: Charge dropped.


http://nfl-arrests.pointafter.com/d/a/Pittsburgh-Steelers

Woman in Georgia alleges assault

MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. -- For the second time in a year, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is being accused of sexual misconduct, with police investigating him Saturday for an alleged assault at a nightclub in a Georgia college town.

Police in Milledgeville were examining the claim of a 20-year-old student, who told an officer that Roethlisberger sexually assaulted her early Friday.

Tom Davis, the special agent in charge of the regional Georgia Bureau of Investigation in Milledgeville, told ESPN on Saturday that Milledgeville police and the GBI will be working the case throughout the weekend and into next week. Authorities had no plans to comment further until Monday at the earliest.

The GBI has not spoken with Roethlisberger or any of the men who were with him on the night in question, but are trying to arrange that, Davis said. When Davis does speak with them, he told ESPN he wants to conduct the interviews in person. It was his understanding that Roethlisberger and his group left the state on Friday.

Investigators are awaiting lab results, but Davis would not say if anything was taken from Roethlisberger. When the investigation is complete, Davis said the findings will be turned over to the Baldwin County district attorney.

The case comes as Roethlisberger faces a lawsuit filed last July by a woman who says he raped her in 2008 at a Lake Tahoe hotel and casino, an allegation he strongly denies. Roethlisberger, who was not in custody, has not been criminally charged in either case and has claimed counter-damages in the lawsuit.

Still, to hear it on the airwaves in Pittsburgh, this latest situation seems to have shaken fans of the star quarterback, a man who has never hidden the fact he enjoys the nightlife. He has been spotted gambling in Las Vegas and is sometimes seen in public with small groups of friends and bodyguards.

The latest accusation came early Friday in downtown Milledgeville, about 85 miles southeast of Atlanta and about 30 miles south of the lake home the player owns. Roethlisberger, who turned 28 on Tuesday, and two or three friends went to Buffington's bar earlier Thursday night to watch the University of Pittsburgh men's college basketball game, said Paul Kurcikevicus, a 24-year-old college student.

He said the group was friendly, at first joking that Roethlisberger was not the NFL player. Kurcikevicus said Roethlisberger bought shots for him and some other people in the bar. The shots were "O-Bombs," a mixture of energy drink and flavored rum.

The group later went to The Brick restaurant nearby, owner Frank Pendergrast said.

"He was very polite with everybody," Pendergrast told The Associated Press. "He was down here from about 11:30 until about 1:30 having a good time, talking to a lot of people. Looked like he was signing autographs and letting people take pictures. Other than that, it was really uneventful."

Roethlisberger was later seen at Capital City, a popular nightclub for students at Georgia College & State University in Milledgeville.

One patron at the bar on Friday night, 21-year-old college student Brandon Harris, said he saw Roethlisberger come in the night before with two or three big men who were keeping other club goers away. Harris said the group went into a curtained VIP area in the back of the club, and some women were let inside.

Amber Hanley, a 21-year-old college student, said she and a few friends were also in the VIP area with Roethlisberger. She said she asked the quarterback to take a photo with her friend, who was a fan, but he seemed disappointed that's all she wanted. Hanley said she rolled her eyes, and Roethlisberger called her an expletive and walked away. Later, Roethlisberger was aggressively hitting on another girl, Hanley said.

Deputy Police Chief Richard Malone said Friday that Roethlisberger had been with three other people who were mingling with another group that included the alleged victim. Malone said the woman and her party contacted a nearby police officer following the alleged assault.

"He's been identified as being at the scene and there are allegations naming him as the perpetrator," Malone said. The nature of the assault was not described, but Malone did say it was being termed a sexual assault, not a rape.

Roethlisberger and the alleged victim were interviewed and the woman was taken to a hospital, where she was treated and released, Malone said. The woman was not identified by police; ESPN and the AP do not generally identify possible victims of sexual abuse.

Police said Roethlisberger and his attorney were cooperating with investigators.

The player's agent, Ryan Tollner, said in a statement he was skeptical of the motive of the alleged victim in Milledgeville because of the previous Lake Tahoe allegations. Steelers spokesman Dave Lockett said the team was gathering information and had no comment.

As Pittsburgh's first-round draft pick out of Miami of Ohio in 2004, Roethlisberger led the Steelers to Super Bowl victories in 2006 and 2009. He has frequently donated time and money to charities, and his charitable foundation awards a police dog to a department near every Steelers road opponent.

However, with his championships and $102 million contract have come several off-the-field problems. In 2006, he defied his coach's orders and rode his motorcycle without a helmet -- and wound up with a concussion, broken jaw and other injuries after a wreck.

And while Roethlisberger has a reputation for patiently signing autographs and posing for pictures while out in public, he also is known for occasionally inelegant behavior in Pittsburgh. Early in his career, he was photographed wearing a T-shirt reading "Drink Like a Champion." Restaurant owners in Pittsburgh have complained he has tried to skip out on bills.

The public largely supported him when he was accused of sexual assault in Nevada. But radio shows in Pittsburgh have been flooded with calls since Friday's allegation -- few of them sympathetic, with many wondering if the new case indicates a troubling pattern of behavior.

Fan Julie Muckle of Cranberry Township, Pa., said Roethlisberger was hanging out with the wrong people.

"I'm 24 and if I want to go out to a local bar, I know where I can find him. I feel like he needs to hide himself a little more and be with a better group," Muckle said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4970050

Michael Vick isn’t the problem: Steelers fans need to talk about rape culture

live in western Pennsylvania, so my social media feeds exploded yesterday, with the news that the Pittsburgh Steelers had signed Michael Vick to a one-year contract as a backup quarterback.

The outrage, of course, comes from Michael Vick’s history running a violent dog-fighting ring out of his house. The tortures and deaths of countless pitbulls at Bad Newz Kennels still haunt many people; animals are often seen as the ultimate innocent victim, and Vick’s plea bargain, and subsequent repentant interviews feel at worst disingenuous, and at best like too little, too late.

I’ve heard people say that he’s only sorry he got caught. I’ve heard that he should be the one buried in the ground at that house. I’ve heard that he’s a thug.

In other words, I’ve heard a lot of racially-coded language that reminds me that black men are easily cast in the role of criminal, and have an almost-impossible time shaking it off.

And I understand what’s at the heart of these sentiments. Three years ago, I adopted a sweet boxer mutt from a shelter in Kansas, who came home with me malnourished, a mere 35 pounds, his ribcage showing through his skin, cuts and scars all over his head. I don’t know anything about his past, but I know he had a rough life, and I know how it feels to have taken him away from whatever hurt came before.

So I understand why the images of pitbull victims haunt us still, and I understand if people don’t feel comfortable watching Vick return to the spotlight.

What I don’t understand is why almost no one expresses that same discomfort over the guy first in line for Vick’s job.

Ben Roethlisberger, the Steelers first-string quarterback and all-around golden ticket, has been accused twice of sexually assaulting women: in 2008, and again in 2010. And while it’s true that Roethlisberger hasn’t faced criminal charges for either of these crimes, that doesn’t convince me at all that he’s not guilty.

At the very least, we know that his defense team used character assassination against his first accuser, who declined to press criminal charges for fear she’d lose her job. We also know that his second accuser was in her early twenties, a college student, and was so intoxicated at the time of the alleged assault she had to be dragged to the back room of the club.

We know she and her friends went to the first police officer they could find. And we know that the hospital she was taken to found bruising and bleeding in the genital area.

We know that his second victim, like his first, eventually asked that a criminal case against Roethlisberger not be pursued. We know how incredibly common this is among rape victims, and how unlikely a conviction would have been, had charges been pursued.

When Steelers fans talk about Ben Roethlisberger’s behavior, this is what I hear:

I’ve heard people say that Roethlisberger hasn’t been convicted of anything. I’ve heard that his alleged crimes are different because his victims ‘put themselves in that position.’ I’ve heard that the victims were probably only after his money.

In other words, I’ve heard a lot of gender-coded language that reminds me that female rape victims have the hardest time of anyone being taken seriously. I’ve heard a lot that reminds me how little we think of women. I’ve heard a lot that sounds like hypocrisy.


live in western Pennsylvania, so my social media feeds exploded yesterday, with the news that the Pittsburgh Steelers had signed Michael Vick to a one-year contract as a backup quarterback.

The outrage, of course, comes from Michael Vick’s history running a violent dog-fighting ring out of his house. The tortures and deaths of countless pitbulls at Bad Newz Kennels still haunt many people; animals are often seen as the ultimate innocent victim, and Vick’s plea bargain, and subsequent repentant interviews feel at worst disingenuous, and at best like too little, too late.

I’ve heard people say that he’s only sorry he got caught. I’ve heard that he should be the one buried in the ground at that house. I’ve heard that he’s a thug.

In other words, I’ve heard a lot of racially-coded language that reminds me that black men are easily cast in the role of criminal, and have an almost-impossible time shaking it off.

And I understand what’s at the heart of these sentiments. Three years ago, I adopted a sweet boxer mutt from a shelter in Kansas, who came home with me malnourished, a mere 35 pounds, his ribcage showing through his skin, cuts and scars all over his head. I don’t know anything about his past, but I know he had a rough life, and I know how it feels to have taken him away from whatever hurt came before.

So I understand why the images of pitbull victims haunt us still, and I understand if people don’t feel comfortable watching Vick return to the spotlight.

What I don’t understand is why almost no one expresses that same discomfort over the guy first in line for Vick’s job.

Ben Roethlisberger, the Steelers first-string quarterback and all-around golden ticket, has been accused twice of sexually assaulting women: in 2008, and again in 2010. And while it’s true that Roethlisberger hasn’t faced criminal charges for either of these crimes, that doesn’t convince me at all that he’s not guilty.

At the very least, we know that his defense team used character assassination against his first accuser, who declined to press criminal charges for fear she’d lose her job. We also know that his second accuser was in her early twenties, a college student, and was so intoxicated at the time of the alleged assault she had to be dragged to the back room of the club.

We know she and her friends went to the first police officer they could find. And we know that the hospital she was taken to found bruising and bleeding in the genital area.

We know that his second victim, like his first, eventually asked that a criminal case against Roethlisberger not be pursued. We know how incredibly common this is among rape victims, and how unlikely a conviction would have been, had charges been pursued.

When Steelers fans talk about Ben Roethlisberger’s behavior, this is what I hear:

I’ve heard people say that Roethlisberger hasn’t been convicted of anything. I’ve heard that his alleged crimes are different because his victims ‘put themselves in that position.’ I’ve heard that the victims were probably only after his money.

In other words, I’ve heard a lot of gender-coded language that reminds me that female rape victims have the hardest time of anyone being taken seriously. I’ve heard a lot that reminds me how little we think of women. I’ve heard a lot that sounds like hypocrisy.


http://www.salon.com/2015/08/26/its_not_...re_problem_too/

Oh my word. The years of watching his beloved Clowns lose with no end in sight has made Vambo finally lose his mind.

Holy smokes!!


Poor Vambo. Poor Vambo Indeed!

Holy smokes is right!

Hey vambo, was all that meant to help make you feel better about the beatdown your clowns just received, or was it meant to make Steeler fans feel bad?

Well, I hope the former is working for you because the latter aint lol.

Here's how bad I feel LOL!

Oh my word. The years of watching his beloved Steelers CHEAT with no end in sight has made Clown Hunter finally lose his mind.

Holy smokes!!


Poor Clown Hunter. Poor Clown Hunter Indeed!

[CENTER]

Vambo... How many times have the Steelers beat your team this year?

Look my Milk Bone loving friend. The Steelers are not your problem. Its your corrupt front office.

The Steelers can only beat your team at the most three times a year...and..it is there job to try. Your front office beats your team before they even step on the field each week. Smh... Have you looked at your roster lately?? Back in the day I would laugh in your face. But now I feel sorry for the Clowns fans. Y'all don't deserve this.

And that my friend is exactly why I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Loved that!!! Thanks for the memories vambo!
Too bad Stain coaches never show fire, passion and the "hate to lose" mentality!

Too bad Tomlin didn't punch him like Woody Hays did that Clemson player!!

Former head coach Cowher: Steelers tried stealing signals, too
http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/5423839-74/cowher-patriots-game#axzz3rrZ5Euti


"“The only thing they got caught (was) doing it with a camera,”Cowher told the radio station. “We had people that always tried to steal signals. Stealing someone's signals was a part of the game, and everyone attempted to do that.”

Fixed it for you!

Ben receives new uniforms

Soooo. In one post we have "Wait till next year" and " The Steelers are getting old"

The Clowns front office has brainwashed you good my friend. This is said literally every year by the Clowns fans.

I don't blame you... I blame your crooked front office. They knew damn well they had zero intentions of fielding a competitive team. But....they had intentions on separating you from your hard earned money. Quite frankly they trick you into paying for trash..

And look where your team is at now. In the basement of the Afc North ( AGAIN )


SMH. POOR CLOWNS POOR CLOWNS INDEED!!

Now that we have established that I was right ( again ). Lets move forward. We have to cut the cancer out at the root. That means removing Haslem.

Now that is not an easy task. He is entrenched and rich due to the Clowns fans filling his pockets even though he provides a sub par product.

But with determination, patience, and a little bit of luck we will turn the Clowns into the Browns once again.

Now of course until that happens ...I will say Poor Clowns.. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Here you go Clown, why don't you make fun of cancer some more. Go explain to her kids why you think it's funny.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/entertainment/...er-mss-orig.cnn

Ah, I gotcha! So you're just one of those Good Time Charlie type of fan (?). When times are good, you will climb on board, but until then... Guess what - there'll be no room for your type.

Oh brother.

No one was making fun of cancer clown.

Consider this another time you are wrong.

Harrison...a Clown fan killer too!

PITTSBURGH -- Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker James Harrison has been charged with assaulting his girlfriend.

Rooney's rationale in abuse cases leads to criticism

Mr. Wilson became the second player in 11 days to be charged in a domestic dispute with a woman. On March 8, Pro Bowl linebacker James Harrison also was charged in an incident involving his girlfriend.

Date Descending Team Position Name Incident Resolution

3/15/2015 Pittsburgh CB Antwon Blake Arrested for public drunkenness in Oceanside.

8/20/2014 Pittsburgh RB Le’Veon Bell Charged with DUI and marijuana possession following a traffic stop in Ross Township, a Pittsburgh suburb. Agreed to enter first-offender's program; 15 months' probation. Two game league suspension.

8/20/2014 Pittsburgh RB LeGarrette Blount Charged with marijuana possession after police pulled over Le'Veon Bell's Chevrolet Camaro in a Pittsburgh suburb. Charges dropped after he completed 50 hours of community service.

1/10/2013 Pittsburgh RB Chris Rainey Charged with misdemeanor simple battery after an altercation with his girlfriend in Gainesville, Fla.. Cut by team.

10/14/2012 Pittsburgh NT Alameda Ta’amu Arrested on charges of leading police on a chase while driving drunk and crashing into parked cars, injuring one. Suspended by team two games without pay. Sentenced to 18 months of probation after pleading guilty to reckless endangerment, resisting arrest and drunken driving. Also must spend four days in alternative custody and pay nearly $11,000 in damage. Prosecutors withdrew felony charges of aggravated assault with a vehicle.

7/9/2011 Pittsburgh WR Hines Ward Arrested outside Atlanta on suspicion of DUI. Pleaded guilty to lesser charge of reckless driving in plea deal. Sentenced to 12 months' probation and 80 hours of community service, $2,000 fine.

10/18/2009 Pittsburgh K_ Jeff Reed Arrested outside restaurant near Steelers' stadium, charged with resisting arrest, public intoxication after police say he raised fists while officers issued public urination citation to teammate Matt Spaeth. Charges of resisting arrest and simple assault dismissed, but ordered to 40 hours of community service.

10/18/2009 Pittsburgh TE Matt Spaeth Cited for public urination outside restaurant near Steelers' stadium after game. Teammate Jeff Reed arrested as part of incident. Guilty plea, paid $500.

2/14/2009 Pittsburgh K_ Jeff Reed Cited for criminal mischief and disorderly conduct after allegedly throwing tantrum in restroom of convenience store. He allegedly damaged towel dispenser after finding it empty. Pleaded guilty, $544 in fines.

1/24/2009 Pittsburgh TE Jonathan Dekker Arrested and charged with obstruction of justice an incident in Alexandria. Va. when he allegedly fled from police and then gave officers a false name. Acquitted

10/23/2008 Pittsburgh WR Santonio Holmes Pittsburgh police pulled him over, found marijuana cigars, a misdemeanor charge. Dropped. Prosecutors agreed search warrant wasn't specific enough.

3/19/2008 Pittsburgh WR Cedrick Wilson Arrested and charged with simple assault, harassment and disorderly conduct after allegedly hitting his former girlfriend in the face at bar. Team terminated his contract the next morning.

3/8/2008 Pittsburgh LB James Harrison Arrested on charges of simple assault and criminal mischief after police said he broke down a bedroom door at girlfriend's home after she locked herself in. Dropped after alleged victim decided not to pursue case and Harrison completed anger management counseling.

10/4/2007 Pittsburgh RB Najeh Davenport Charged with domestic violence, child endangerment and unlawful restraint after incident involving mother of his 5-year-old son, who suffered a swollen lip.

5/10/2007 Pittsburgh LB Richard Seigler Arrested on charges he ran a prostitution ring in Las Vegas, three felony counts. Cut by team same day. Case dropped in March 2008

3/4/2007 Pittsburgh CB Deshea Townsend Charged with simple assault after incident at club on Pittsburgh's south side Dropped

8/6/2006 Pittsburgh OT Barrett Brooks Arrested after fleeing from Pittsburgh police on a motorcycle and charged with fleeing and eluding, reckless driving, driving at an unsafe speed and other traffic violations. Police said Brooks was not legally intoxicated. Apologized, pleaded guilty, paid court costs

6/19/2006 Pittsburgh WR Santonio Holmes Holmes was arrested and charged by Columbus, Ohio, police with two misdemeanor counts of domestic violence and simple assault. Dropped

5/27/2006 Pittsburgh WR Santonio Holmes Holmes was among hundreds of people arrested for disorderly conduct as part of a police crackdown on revelers who annually converge on Miami Beach during the Memorial Day weekend. Dropped after paying $250

2/18/2006 Pittsburgh OL Trai Essex Arrested, charged with disorderly conduct at nightclub in Miami. Dropped

3/16/2003 Pittsburgh LB Jason Gildon Arrested and charged with disorderly conduct and defiant trespass after refusing to leave a Pittsburgh nightclub. Charges dropped after he completed community service.

7/12/2002 Pittsburgh OT Marvel Smith Arrested on marijuana possession charges in Tempe, Ariz. Dropped

5/11/2002 Pittsburgh WR Plaxico Burress Arrested on a charge of public intoxication in Virginia Beach, Va. One-year deferral

12/24/2001 Pittsburgh WR Plaxico Burress Cited for carrying an open bottle of Corona beer in Cleveland at 1:45 a.m. Christmas Eve, arrest warrant issued when he failed to appear. Fined

Steelers foresee no issues with re-signing admitted woman batterer James Harrison

Linebacker James Harrison admitted to police in March 2008 he broke down a bedroom door, slapped his girlfriend in the face and snapped her cell phone in half during an argument the Steelers said at the time was over whether to baptize Harrison's son, according to the criminal complaint.

I see why you're so proud of him!

Was this you Blutarsky?



Fan tries to bribe police after being arrested for assault at Steelers game

A football fan in Pittsburgh has been charged with aggravated assault, reckless endangerment and bribery after an incident that left one woman unconscious at the Steelers-Ravens game on Sunday night.

According to a police report obtained by the CBS affiliate KDKA-TV in Pittsburgh, 29-year-old Stephen Sapp was arrested after he kicked a steel barrier, causing the object to come off the ground and hit a woman in the head, knocking her unconscious. The woman had to be taken to a local hospital for treatment.

The entire incident happened after Sapp was asked by stadium security to leave the game.

Sapp, who was allegedly drunk, was taken to the ground by officers after he resisted arrest. After the incident, Sapp was also taken to the hospital where he attempted to make the situation go away by bribing several officers.

"Listen I know how this works. How much money will it take to make this go away and to let me go home today?" Sapp asked.

Sapp then told the officers that he could help them in other ways because he works for the IRS.

"Look, I am an IRS agent and I can help you in other ways if you let me go home and make this go away," Sapp said.

Sapp is being held on a $10,000 bond and has a preliminary hearing scheduled for Nov. 12

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foot...t-steelers-game

Other Stories Relating To Steeler Arrests:

July 13, 2007: Former Steeler Arrested In Home Invasion Robbery May 11, 2007: Former Steeler Arrested For Alleged Prostitution Ring August 7, 2006: Steelers Player Apologizes About Arrest February 20, 2006: Steelers Lineman Has Run-In With Law February 15, 2006: Staley Loses Bling During Scuffle June 13, 2003: Charges Against Steelers' Gildon Dropped May 2, 2003: Former Pittsburgh Steeler Under Arrest March 20, 2003: Pittsburgh Steeler Scheduled To Appear In Court March 16, 2003: Steelers Linebacker Arrested Over Nightclub Dispute

Well Blutarsky I can see you having your Thanksgiving dinner. Lets roll the footage.

Boo Hoo.

Stain fans continue to post this tired old song and dance as if the umpteenth time makes it more compelling as the first.LOL

But if you really want to go there...the most notorious abuser of women in the history of the NFL was a Cleveland Clown.


An 18-year-old accused Brown of forcing her to have sex after giving her whisky, but a jury found him innocent of assault and battery in the 10-day trial in 1965. He was accused of throwing his girlfriend from a balcony in 1968, but when the 22-year-old woman refused to name Brown as her assailant, the charge of assault with intent to murder was dropped. He was fined $300 for resisting a deputy.


Brown was acquitted of assaulting a man after a traffic accident in 1969. He was fined $500 and spent a day in jail after beating up a golfing partner in 1978. He was charged with rape, sexual battery and assault in 1985, but the charges were dropped when the 33-year-old woman gave inconsistent testimony.


The next year, he was arrested for allegedly beating his fiancée after accusing her of flirting. He spent three hours in jail, but three days later the 21-year-old woman said she didn't want to prosecute.


In October 1999, Brown was convicted in Los Angeles of smashing the window of his 25-year-old wife Monique's car, but was acquitted of making terrorist threats against her. The judge sentenced him to three years' probation, stripped him of his driver's license for a year, fined him $1,700 to be paid to a battered woman's shelter and a domestic abuse fund, and ordered him to attend special counseling for domestic batterers.


When Brown refused counseling, he was given a six-month sentence. He was released from jail in Ventura County (California) in July 2002 after serving less than four months.

Wow! Such a shrewd smack talker you are! Never saw that movie! Another guy named Blutarsky!! How crazy is that???!!!
It's as crazy as the Germans were when they bombed Pearl Harbor.LOL

Video
Big Ben lays into Martavis Bryant on the sideline
Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has strong words for Martavis Bryant on the sideline after Bryant ran the wrong route on a first quarter play against the Seattle Seahawks.

Says the Steelers fan who comes to a Browns message board to talk smack. You do realize if your smack was graded you would have the same GPA as your hero 0.00

Everything I have said has come to pass. Sigh. . I did not want this!!!

We still have work to do my heartworm infested friends. Your anger of your squad is understandable. . Lets take that anger. Focus it towards your criminal front office. And let the sparks fly!


Until then.. . Happy Belated Thanksgiving, Happy Holidays, and. . Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Just don't sing Christmas songs for us again Elmer. It was bad enough the last time you did it. Remember everybody was laughing at you.

I will tell you what I remember. I remember Tomlin feeling so bad for the Clowns that he just had the Steelers kneel down even though they were in the red zone.

I remember watching the Monday Night Meltdown and seeing people start to laugh at the Clowns. . .Then. . Their eyes filled with sorrow.

You fans are great! You support your team and this is the thanks you get? Really? So many people started to laugh but stopped. They showed pity. . Pity towards the Clowns and their dirty little town.

It is truly sad when nobody even wants to smack talk with you anymore. Nobody even wants to laugh at you anymore. It is because your team is literally a joke. A sad twisted unfunny joke.

Honestly it is not even funny. It's why I say your front office has to go. It is also why I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Big Ben lays into Martavis Bryant on the sideline
Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has strong words for Martavis Bryant on the sideline after Bryant ran the wrong route on a first quarter play against the Seattle Seahawks.





Soooooooooooo. . .. Do you feel he did something wrong by telling his second year wideout that he missed a route?


Wow at these poor Clown fans. Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Smh. Another year. Another debacle. Its truly no wonder i say Poor Clowns Poor Clowns Indeed!

Suit up Elmer we are starting you at QB this week.

The announcers did say at half time last week that if you could throw a football you were qualified to play quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.

SIGH


Once again. . . I hate to say I told you so . .. but. . . well you know how it goes. . It is the same every year. Bottom the the AFC North again while your owners rip you off.


Poor Clowns. . Poor Clowns Indeed!

The Pittsburgh Steelers are the 2nd-worst cheaters in NFL history: report

http://www.pennlive.com/steelers/index.ssf/2015/05/pittsburgh_steelers_2nd_worst_cheaters.html

SIGH

The New England Patriots don't cheat as much as the Pittsburgh Steelers. Only the Denver Broncos cheat more.

That's what the metrics of YourTeamCheats declared with its cheat score rankings for all 32 NFL teams. The website takes into account all scandals, including dirty hits. Pittsburgh's ranking puts the franchise into the category or "elite cheaters," according to the site.

They are are one of four teams in the category, joined by the New York Jets, Washington Redskins and Indianapolis Colts. The site assigns severity of each incident based on the commissioner's punishment. YourTeamCheat.com's math for the calculation gets a little complicated for what it calls Cheapsgate, the high number of fines Steelers players have received for illegal hits since 2010, but it's explained well here.

Here's the full summary of Steelers transgressions

Of the Top 25 incidents of cheating in NFL history, according to YourTeamCheats.com, the Steelers have three. They are as follows:

No. 6 - Impedegate

When head coach Mike Tomlin stepped onto the field while Jacoby Jones was returning a kickoff in a 2013 Thanksgiving game.



No. 11 - Steroidgate

The Steelers, by Terry Bradshaw's admission, using steroids in their golden era of the 1970s and 80s. They won four Super Bowls then.

No. 23 - Cheapsgate

The six times Steelers players have been fined for illegal hits since 2010. That's the highest total in the league. James Harrison accounts for three of those penalties.

This Harrison hit cost him $20,000 for roughing the passer that was Drew Brees in an Oct. 31, 2010 game:





Tossing Vince Young earned him a $5,000 fine earlier that same season:



Harrison was fined $75,000 for this hit on Mohamed Massquoi, which happened on Oct. 17, 2010.

This 2011 hit on Colt McCoy earned him a one-game suspension:


For what it's worth, the Patriots were ranked as the 16th-worst cheaters in the league.

Poor Clown Hunter. . Poor Clown Hunter Indeed!

The Clowns are against the Titans next week. They are looking at possibly going 0-7.

The optimism and blind faith that was shown on this very board at the start of preseason was amazing.

I said to myself. .Why do they think this year is different??

Then we get the undefeated Preseason. . SMH. That is nothing but the front office priming the money pump. They pump faked the Clown fans once again and got them to buy in to the so called process. Told them better days are ahead.

The sad thing is this is whats said EVERY YEAR in Cleveland since 1999. Like clockwork we are not even into November yet and the Clowns are damn near eliminated from the playoffs already.

Poor Clowns. . Poor Clowns Indeed!

Yeah loyal football fans suck, we're a bunch of saps. How's your team doing this year CH?

A bunch of saps?? No way do I feel like that. I actually commend the Clown fans for their loyalty. But. . There is a smarter way to do it friend.

Why blindly take the crap your front office force feeds you every year and believe it?? I say support your team and your city. . But dont support a corrupt owner who does not have your best interest at heart.

Why should Haslem change his ways? No matter how bad the garbage is that he puts out the Clowns will lap it up. I say hit him where it hurts. His pockets. Stop buying all of the dog biscuits and Clown noses. Still follow your team but dont follow a demonic leader.

If you do that then he will be forced to make real changes and the Clowns team will respond and crawl out of the basement of the AFC North. I will also no longer have to say. . Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

YAAS GIRL, I told you I could throw 5 picks in one game!!!


shut up Mr giddy giddy goo.

The recent power rankings have the Clowns at #32. Dead last in the league.

How is that possible?? Did not the Clowns go 4-0 in the preseason?

Did not the front office hype up the team and their new rookie QB?

You are back in a familiar spot. It is mid October and you are already talking about "Next Year"

Sigh. .


This is why I sometimes proclaim. . Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Sadly 0-7 became a reality.

Good freaking grief.. its no wonder I say Poor Clowns.. Poor Clowns Indeed!!

At least it is familiar. Just like being home...

On Sunday every team in the AFC North won.


well almost every team.




It's times like these that cause me to say. . Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Hate to be a stickler for details but that should be "by" Sunday every AFC North team won since the Ravens won Thursday.

Touche!


Oh and of course. Poor Clowns...Poor Clowns Indeed!:(

See you next Monday.

Well. Technically the Clowns can fall deeper into the basement of the AFC north even though they have a have a bye week.

Good grief what a distressing thought.

Sigh.

Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Martavis Bryant is now demanding that Pittsburgh trade you to Baltimore for a Ravens fan to be named later.

You have the audacity to mention anything trade related after YOUR front office's latest blunder?

Not only does your front office not even make a play on Jimmy G from the Pats they literally act like Clowns the way they bumbled the trade with the Bengals.


How in the hell do you fumble a TRADE??



So...your front office is inept. Hmm. Something I have been saying for years yet you keep your head in the sand.


I hate to say I told you so. . . but I told you so.


Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Yo Hunter you and your team can come out of the locker room now. the National Anthem is over.

But can your team come out of the basement of the AFC North where it's cold and damp and chills to the bone?

With your current criminal front office I think not.


And that my furry friend is why I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Criminal??? are we talking

Artie Burns
Antwon Blake
Le'veon Bell
LeGarrette Blount
Chris Rainey
Alameda Ta"ama
Hines Ward
Jeff Reed
Matt Speath
Jeff Reed AGAIN
Johathan Dekker
Santonio Holmes
Cedrick Wilson
James Harrison
Najeh Davenport
Richard Seigler
Deshae Townsend
Barrett Brooks
Santonio Holmes a 2nd and 3rd time
Trai Essex
Jason Gildon
Marvel Smith
Plaxico Burress TWICE

Now since I proved my point 20 times over I won't even get into all the Roid Freeks the Steelers team doctors shot up with Steriods and killed while ruining their families lives. or all the other Steeler low lifes who yinz worshipped.

Hold hold hold up. Let me stop you right there


Please dont preach about players getting arrested when you just had a player get reinstated YESTERDAY and the best player in Clowns ( and arguably the best in the NFL EVER ) history is a known domestic abuser. Sheesh. With the way you talk you would think the Clowns are Mary Magdalene. . Well they probably play like her.














At this point all I have to do is read your vaunted Pure Football Forum and see the bitterness and angst. Your team is dysfunctional, clown like, and dare I say. . CRIMINAL. You can't tell me that is is blind dumb bad luck your team has been this bad THIS LONG. It literally makes no sense at all.

I get it. You guys dont like the Steelers because they beat you. I get it. We hate the Pats because they beat us. But it is their job to beat us like its the Steelers job to beat the Clowns. I can accept that.

What is unacceptable is your OWN front office beating your team before they even had a chance to step on the field. That is exactly what your bumbling incompetent Front Office does year in and year out since 1999.


But hey. . According to you all is fine and it's the other teams that suck.





Wow. Poor Clowns. .Poor Clowns Indeed!

Quoted for truth

Even Vambo the biggest Front Office apologist on the board realizes this Front Office is a complete mess.

We are finally getting through to the Clown Nation. They are finally waking up and realizing this corrupt regime has to go.


Thank Goodness and as always Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Hmm. Seems like a trend.

When I say Poor Clowns I sometimes feel anger from Clowns fans and I am not sure why. Your fans should be pitied. I mean look at your squad and your front office. It is literally a JOKE.


Each year I see the same damn thing and all the fans do is stick their heads in the sand and whine. So I simply say.. No more. Fight back. Howl your displeasure.

And I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

OH NO! He said I'm next!!!



Uhhh...do they know?

I applaud you for FINALLY admitting that your team is indeed a MESS! And at least floating the idea out there that the FO may need to be changed.

You have gone from licking the crumbs off the arse of the front office to at least questioning their motives. Great news!

I will say that it DOES matter who is at fault though. Why let them off the hook?

Keep up the good work friend. Hopefully i will soon have no reason to say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Each year I also have to remind you just how bad your smack really is. You never have been able to smack your way out of a wet brown paper bag. You have no game. Your attempts at smack are desperate, forlorn, sad, tragic, useless, and just plain pathetic. You come around acting like a lickspittle, then you start posting and make yourself look just like a losel.

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You never see him after a Steeler loss Fairweather fan

and you never see good smack from him EVER

Smack?? You are talking about meaningless "smack" when your team is in a shambles??

Why would I even have a need to smack you? Your front office smacks you Clowns fans down before the games even start on Sundays.


No no my flea ridden friend. I post FACTS. And the fact is that you and Vambo seem to want to enable your corrupt front office. Why? You enjoy sitting in the basement of the AFC North where it is cold and damp and chills to the bone?


Stick to your empty smack friend. I will stick to facts.

Fact - Your front office stinks.
Fact - Your team stinks.
Fact - You have bought into their lies. Look at this gem by you in this very thread.





Do you know when you wrote this my pound puppy friend? In 2015.


Your team is on the right path eh?


Your team is building towards the future eh?


Your enjoying the Browns improving while the Steelers are tanking eh?



Your a blowhard who is more interested in virtual smack than the state of your team. Quite frankly that is despicable and you should be ashamed of yourself.



Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed.

You never see him after a Steeler loss Fairweather fan[/quote]

You are a fake fan. All you do is post links of what other people write. When you do post something that is not somebody else's words it is general drivel with no thought or insight.

Stick to posting links. It suits you.

Sheesh. Its no wonder I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

I have a suggestion for you Hunter. Try turning off yinz favorite music



and stop throwing all those

Sausage parties



and maybe just maybe for the first time in your life you can come up with one good piece of smack

I see you cannot refute what I posted.

It is because it's your own words.


And its in this very thread. You were so confident that your team was turning the corner. Yet two years later we are in November and your team is winless and in the basement of not just the AFC North. But your sharing basement of the NFL with the 49'rs who just acquired a real QB.


Stop the nonsense GM. Just stop it. Quite frankly its getting disgusting and it is beneath you.

You have admitted your team sucks. So dont back track now. You have admitted the problem. Now lets do something about it. Help me help you friend.


Until then. . its Poor Clowns. . Poor Clowns Indeed!

No no. Just being honest. Your judgement is not the best and I do not need any suggestions from you.




Your thought process is. . Well to put it bluntly. Clownish.

How is your portfolio doing since you bought stock in Puffs?

Are you now retired in your comfy manor while the Steelers are wallowing in the basement of the AFC North?


SMH. And people wonder why I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

People listening to your smack

I am starting to sadly realize you are a lost cause friend.

Despite your teams track record. Despite the fact that they prove year in and year out that they do not have the fans best interest in mind you stand behind your corrupt front office.

Somebody recently asked you what can the front office do to help. Instead of correctly analyzing their track record and stating emphatically to GET RID of your front office. You state. .





So basically you wrote "Wait till next year"



Welp. . I guess you really cannot teach a old dawg new tricks. And Haslem is banking on that. Wow.




It is times like these that cause me to state. . . Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

LMFAO at you everybody on this board has realized that you were a lost cause since 9/15/06. You are the only one who has been delusional enough to believe in your crap in the last 133 months.

I feel bad for you I really do

It is more delusional to think that trusting your shoddy ownership will bring results. Yet you do.

You actually have the nerve to believe that your front office wants to actually win games.

I did not mean to laugh at you old friend but it truly is hilarious.

What is also hilarious is the way you try and spin away from your own words. YOU have said in this very thread TWO years ago that your team is on the right track to turning this thing around.

YOU have said in this very thread TWO years ago that your team is building toward the future.

TWO YEARS ago. And you dare to say that someone is delusional. Your own drunken ranting in this thread has proven that either you are inept like your current front office. You are senile. Or you just have no idea what you are talking about.



Two Years ago you say these things. . And yet. . .Your team is currently winless and it is November. Your team has refused to pick viable quarterbacks and fumbled away a chance to trade for another.


Honestly I do not even need to say anything at this point. I will let your fellow Dawgs do the talking.















Oh I cannot forget this gem.






You are on the wrong side of the argument old friend. The Dawg Pound is finally waking up.

Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

_________________________

Exactly. To be this bad. No wins and we are in the month of Nov. Sounds incredible. . Until I realize the Clowns fans are used to it. I forgot you did not win your 1st and only game last year until 12/24 and it came off a botched 45 yard missed field goal.

Holy smokes. . Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Poor Clowns



Joe Thomas literally forgot what it was like to win a game.



First. . .It was your squads 1st win in THREE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY SEVEN DAYS. Egads.

Then we have equating to winning one game to winning the Super Bowl. This is really what is has come down too??





I hate to say I told you so but. . . .Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Let us revisit this comment from 2015.


As usual he is dead wrong and sadly I was correct.

Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Patience Donkey patience.

Be patient. Stay the course. You have only been the overall worst team in the NFL since 1999. What is another year? Or 5?




The Clowns TRUE fans do not deserve this. And you can search my posts. I have been saying this for years. The fans are loyal and they simply do not deserve it. The front office deserves the blame.

But hey... At this point I dont even have to say it. Other's will say it for me.



The Fans Do Not Deserve This





Now you see don't you? Now you see why I fight for your flea bitten squad? Now you see why I think it is a tragedy that the once proud Browns name has been reduced to the Clowns because of shoddy ownership.

Now you see why I say Poor Clowns. . Poor Clowns Indeed!

Do you know how you look when you come here and want to talk smack with little old me?

You look like these five big guys



you come strutting in here puffing up your chest trying to look big and bad, then you get smacked around by little old me. You should really stop embarrassing yourself and just retire from your failed smack attempts.

Why try and smack and fight with me?

Why not save that angst for your own shoddy ownership? They not me are the one's who are defeating your team.

The Steelers can account for at the most 3 losses a year for the Clowns. Your ownership has ensured that you have only had one win since Dec of last year.


The only thing I am doing is what you refuse to do. I am calling out your front office. And the more I look at your vaunted Pure Football forum the more I see that other Clown fans agree with ME.


Yet you insist all is well. Makes one look at you and wonder if you are even a fan in the 1st place.

Your recent statements are very suspect old friend. Whose side are you on anyway?


Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Once again Hunter attempts to type smack and once again we see the results

I only see what everyone in the world see's yet you have dog biscuits over your eyes.

SMH

What happened was inexplicable

Do the Clowns even teach situational football??

There are NO SIGNS the Clowns are in the right hands??? Maybe it is time for a change?? You don't say?


Posting Youtube video's will not change the fact that your ownership has failed. But hey. . if that is how you to choose to deal with a criminal ownership that is ripping you off then

I will continue to call them out. I will continue to call you out when you enable them and try and mislead the Clown fans.

And I will continue to say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

So not only do I state it. . I quote other Clown fans stating it. I quote national sports writer stating it. . NOW I quote former Clown PLAYERS saying it.

The blame rests SQUARELY with your pathetic front office.

At this point GM's argument has been completely destroyed in this thread. He thinks the Clowns are PROGRESSING. Their approach is working and that I am completely off base by saying that your front office is a problem.

At this point you are acting like a agent of Haslem's to be honest.

Hey all. According to GM ALL IS WELL.



This is another thing I have been stating for years. The fans are the innocent one's in this. They just want to watch competitive football. Instead they have a corrupt owner who is destroying the Browns brand.

GMLOST



Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

OK I understand that your to dense to get the golf swing and miss. So how about some baseball swing and miss.



I mean your use to the Pittsburgh's baseball team swinging and missing. I mean yin'z have sucked since 1980 and your NBA team LMFAO of that's right you guys don't even deserve a NBA team.

GM is trying to derail the thread and to be quite honest it is troubling.

Why would he not want the spotlight pointed towards an obviously inept front office? Is he hiding something? Is he in cahoots with Haslem?

I back up my statements with direct quotes from:

1. Other disgruntled Clown fans.
2. Legitimate sports news outlets.
3. Former Clown players.

I provide direct links to back up my assertion that the Clown front office is either hilariously unqualified or they are criminally negligent.

GM responds with:

1. Youtube links that have zero to do with the subject.

2. Outright attempts to steer the conversation to NFL topics that have nothing to do with this thread.

3. Attempts to steer the conversation to non Nfl sports topics like the MLB or the NBA. Makes no sense since we are talking about the state of the Clowns.

4. Not addressing his own comments that shows he has no sense of his own team. Like this one from 2015...






Sadly for GM the Clowns have only won 1 game since Dec of 2016 and that came on a missed field goal. They are the only winless team in the NFL and have been staring up from the bottom of the AFC North since week 1.

Sheesh. It truly is no wonder that I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Keep trying Elmer you know the old saying



One of these days you might type something that resembles smack.

Poor Clowns Indeed















Some naysayers will say that the Clowns are actually doing well and right on schedule. They will LIE to your face while eating Gravy Train and state that all you have to do is be patient.

Do not be deterred by those agents and fake prophets. Look at the proof of your recent non success. Then point your bitterness to Haslem and his cronies in the Front Office.


Oh and also say Poor Clowns. . Poor Clowns Indeed!

Reactions to your smack attempts

Paperwork filed with city of Cleveland for 'Browns Perfect Season Parade 2.0'

Oh for crying out loud.

I wish I could say its a joke. . I wish I could say it is just clever satire.

Nah.


It is real.

Good Grief




Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Once again your attempts at smack sound like this

Wow... even his own son said Poor Clowns.. Poor Clowns Indeed.

Which one of your relatives is this Elmer?

Enough Is Enough















No disrespect friends. But ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. 12 Double digit loss seasons in 13 years?????

Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns INDEED!!

Enough is enough half of your Steeler fans have burned their gear and want nothing to do with your sorry ass players. Poor old Steeler fans

Sadly. You are exactly right old friend. Enough is Enough!

Worst Stretch In Nfl History









How is it possible that the Clowns have the worst stretch in NFL History when YOU said they are progressing?




Your football knowledge is trash GM. But hey I can not blame you. Your front office has put out only trash so that is all you know.

Wow. It is times like these that cause me to say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Instead of worrying about Steeler fans you should take note of your own brethren.




It is happening my friend.

The Clown fan base has listened to me and we are finally hitting Haslem where it hurts. In his wallet.


We need the stadium EMPTY. That will spark change my friends.

Until then. . It's Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

All the ex Steelers fans won't even need to buy firewood this year

Great Job Browns Fans

My plan to oust Haslem is gaining steam!

The Clowns fans have finally had it. Now its time to hit Haslem in his wallet. Attendance is DOWN. And its beautiful.

It is because the product on the field is poor because of a front office that is focused on filling their own coffers instead of putting out a competitive team.

Kizer is the lowest rated QB in the league AND leads the league in turnovers. What will happen next year? It is easy to predict because the same thing happens almost every offseason.

1. Hype about some mythical free agent that will turn out to be a aging star looking for a pay day. Example - Britt/Bowe

2. Hype about the draft.

3. Draft picks which include a QB who will become the "savior" Example - Kizer, Manziel, etc

4. Pre Season hysterics. Over analyzing each play and making wild predictions about the upcoming season.

5. State the Steelers are done and old and its your turn. ( Not even sure why you guys focus on the Steelers so much )

6. By mid Oct start talking about next years draft.



Sad... BUT. . If we can oust Haslem. . Well then sky is the limit fellas!

AND. . Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

The Steelers own fans hate them.

The Time For Change is NOW!



Haslem is an embarrasment?? You don't say. .





Bumbling on the field and causing heartache to Clown fans across the nation?? You don't say. . .




Mortifying ineptness?? You Don't say. . .




The Clowns franchise is a national punch line??? You don't say. .




Oh. . So the fans are loyal and they have been betrayed by an incompetent Front Office?? YOU DON'T SAY . . . .




I will tell you what I DO say. I say lets strike back at your corrupt criminal front office. I say lets continue to protest in the form of not showing up to these rigged games. I say do not buy the Clown noses and Dawg ears.


I say Poor Clowns. . Poor Clowns Indeed!

Worst Team Ever?




Wait what?? The worst three year stretch. . EVER?



But how is that even possible when the trusted and respected GMdawg stated in 2015 that the Clowns are progressing and soon will be leading the division?



GREAT HEAVENS! Only 4 wins. Also this article states something I have said in this very thread. It is very hard to be this bad in the salary cap era. You are rewarded for bad play with better draft picks and compensatory picks and easier schedules. Yet. . Still. . .The Clowns are. . .well they are Clowns. It all points to shoddy ownership. We all know Haslem is a crook and a criminal. Look at how he defrauded Truckers. Now he is doing the same thing to the Clowns fanbase.




This. . .This is insane.


I could keep quoting from the article. .But to be honest it is depressing. Wow. And you wonder why I say Poor Clowns. .Poor Clowns Indeed!

Now now Elmer don't have another meltdown like you did the last time.

Pittsburgh Steelers Cheating History

INDEX OF RECORDED STEELERS CHEATS:

STEELERS-ONLY: Impedegate (2013) • Steroidgate (1970-2007) • Salarycapgate (2000) • Shouldergate (1978) • PEDSgate (3x since 1991) • Crampgate (2012) • Injurygate (2017) • Tarpgate (1976) • Tampergate (1994: Capers) • Spygate (1992-2006) • Deflategate (2016)

LEAGUEWIDE: Tampergate (ongoing) • Headsetgate (ongoing) • Spygate (until 2006) • Scrapsgate (ongoing)

http://yourteamcheats.com/PIT

LOL

Only a Yinzer...

and he did it in front of his kids

I know, really quality parenting right there.

Winless going into December for the second year in a row. Sigh.

It is times like these that cause me to occasionally say.... Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Just sticking to the plan.

Trust the Process Friends.


Trust Haslem.



Poor Clowns. . Poor Clowns Indeed!

Another week.. Another loss..



but but but GMdawg said 2 years ago that the Clowns are headed in the right direction..

Sadly he was mistaken and the Clowns have only won once in almost 2 years.

sheesh.. it truly is no wonder why i say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns indeed!

Burn in Hell Pittsburgh LMAO

http://www.mcall.com/sports/mc-spt-nfl-national-anthem-fans-burn-jerseys-20170925-story.html

It Is Not Working



It is simply not working GM. 1-27 since H A S L E M rebuilt your front office. So . . . . Haslem owns this debacle. He has built this mess and he needs to be stopped.




The culture of losing. . . Only two winning seasons since 1999.

But never fear Clown fans. . Like the article states. . The losing culture can be put to rest. IT CAN HAPPEN.


Until then of course it is Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Don't you have some Steelers gear to burn with the rest of the FORMER Steeler fans?

Poorest Attendance Since 1995











Fewer and fewer people care about the Clowns.



It is because of the shoddy ownership. If you do not acknowledge that you are either in cahoots with them or you are not simply not that bright.

Either way it is Poor Clowns. . Poor Clowns Indeed!

The Rooneys were the laughing stock of the NFL the first what???? 38 years they were in the NFL, while they worried more about betting on horses than their team. Your fans didn't even have to burn their Steelers gear back then because nobody ever bought any of it to begin with.

And they turned it around and now are one of the most successful teams of the modern football era.


I admit it freely. Yet you CANNOT admit that the Clowns are the laughingstock of the league. . RIGHT NOW.

Your blatant dishonesty is disgusting and troubling.

Laughingstock



Laughingstock

Laughingstock



You bring up stuff from the Black n White Smack Shack like it is relevant right now. Yet you IGNORE what is hitting you in your nose. Your team has been the laughingstock of the NFL since 1999. Even your one playoff appearance was a debacle as you lost a huge lead and bumbled it away.

So why would I even entertain anything you say when you can not admit your team is the laughingstock of the NFL? And that is not even smack. That is fact.



Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed.

Hey CH:

Where do I sign-up for the Steelers' board?



I hope you guys aren't biased against transexual, transgender, hermaphroditic former clowns.



My mom/dad was a Steelers fan.

That is not relevant my furry friend. Let's keep to the task at hand. Getting rid of your corrupt front office.



I know the Clowns have lost again. At this point quite frankly it is a fiasco. More and more Clown fans are realizing the scheme that Haslem is pulling.


Sadly there are some so called fans who still kiss his arse and think the Team is progressing. Guys like GMdawg refuse to even admit this team is a laughingstock.


But hey its not all gloom and doom. WE GOT SASHI FIRED! One of the cogs in your evil front office has got the boot!

Now of course we cannot rest until the whole pyramid scheme comes toppling down. Of course we will continue to fight so we can turn the Clowns back in the Browns.

And of course I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Finally track clownhunter down. kicked his door in and told him ben is retiring after this season.

he reaction was precious...

"BEN is REtirING!!!! calm down now buddy...just let it sink and marinate around your head for a minute..."

SMH



Emotional deep freeze. . As the Clowns lose every single damn game. We will fix this friends.




3 winning seasons in 25 years. And some Clowns like Vambo and GMdawg continue to say all is well? At this point we might as well call it what it is. . They are fake fans and should be treated as such. smh.



I hate to say I told you so but. . . . well. . . I TOLD YOU SO. So lets turn this around and hit Haslem back in his wallet. He has got away with this for too long.


Oh and also Poor Clowns . . Poor Clowns Indeed!

you need new material...

my first reaction when reading your posts


my second reaction...

Ok tell your front office to do something different then?

How about a winning season. Win 9 games.. . . Oh. . The Clowns have only done that 3 times in 25 years.


But you tell me to get new material. .



It TRULY is no wonder I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

My first thought about his posts is all those little faces he posts make it miserable to load.

What a surprise no Clown Hunter after a Steeler loss...not much of a fan after all.

GM said this in 2015.

It is now 2017 and the Clowns have just went 0-16. I was told to sit back and watch the Clowns improve....

I was told a lot of bad information by so-called Browns fans. All I can say to you naysayers is... I hate to say I told you so but.. I told you so.


Oh I can also say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed.

Well there you didn't kick the bucket, you just ran away after the Steelers lost to the Patriots AGAIN,like a frightened little kid. It's OK Elmer we all expected that of you as your behavior is always as plain for everybody to see as the nose was on Jimmy Durante's face.





Poor Elmer 2 years into a five year plan your already impatient. We now have the youngest team in the league, we have a ton of cap room, we have 2 of the top 4 picks in the 2018 draft, plus 3 2nd round picks including the 1st and 3rd pick in that round, plus all of our other picks.

You see once again you come in here running off at the mouth and shooting blanks. Just keep laughing at yourself


that way you will be to out of breath to blow up your date again

Sheesh. Poor GM. How can you talk about me running away from my team after a loss on a Browns board?

Also I was not here last week ... I guess I ran away after a win too??


smh. Stop trying to distract my old friend. I know its hard to teach a old dawg new tricks but keep up.

All I did was quote YOUR OWN WORDS. And now your crowing about a young team... A plethora of draft picks...

No offense but


Show me. Prove it. Since 99 Clowns like you have defended your corrupt front office regimes at every turn with.. but but the plan. but but the process. but but we have a young team. but but we have so many draft picks..


Stop it. Just stop it. Its disgusting.

The Clowns are one missed makeable field goal from going winless in two years. The worst record in the modern football era.

Look. You can continue your crush on your front office and pray for some scraps. That is your right.

It is also my right to speak to the disgruntled, disgusted, dismayed, and defeated Clown nation. They are growing in numbers. Look at your vaunted Pure Football forum.

Do I need to prove that again by posting quotes?

You see.. Unlike you I post receipts with direct quotes and links. You post cartoons and


Sooo. After a historic two year run the Clowns cap the year off AGAIN by losing to another teams backups.


smh...Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

I have to give you credit for learning how to type with your nose, but your starting to look like Rudolph.

boring...not even smack talk...come at me when you have something new to say...

swear it's like talking to a 10 yr old...*yawn*.

The ghost of Art Modell has spoken.

Poor steelers, poor steelers indeed.

Report: Some Steelers Minority Owners Want To Fire Head Coach Mike Tomlin...

begining of the end in crapsburgh.

where is our dear dear steeler fan when you need him lol

I hate to say I told you so.. but hey. I told you so.


Poor Clowns....Poor Clowns indeed!!

Holy Smokes.

It is times like these that cause me to occasionally say. . .

Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!:(

Here we are again friends.

Once again the Clowns WON the offseason. Came into the regular season ready to show the world that the Clowns are now the Browns.

What happened? Fiasco's. Melt Downs. Shoddy Play. Coach Fired.


Hey look on the bright side. . You did not finish in the basement of the AFC North where it is cold and damp and chills to the bone.


Besides that it was a train wreck of a season. Again.


Sigh. . .Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Speaking of coaches getting fired. . .


It's times like these that cause me to say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

See you on the golf course.

The sad thing is friends. . I started this thread in Feb of 2015.

I made sure to give it to you straight. You deserve nothing less. I was not taken seriously. Now look. In Feb it will be 5 years since I made this thread. What has changed for your squad?

Playoff appearances?
Division Titles?
Coaching Continuity?



Sadly none of the above. You see the train coming but just cannot get out of the way. Your front office is not interested in winning plain and simple. They are only interested in taking your hard earned doggy bucks. The proof is in the results.


Sigh.


And some people wonder why I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

You spend way too much time on a Browns message board.

So where are you watching not-your-team play during the playoffs? Have any good spots?

You are right my friend. It is alot. .But my job is not done yet. It is hard to teach a old Dawg new tricks. But I will continue to give it my best shot.

It is my goal to get the Clowns fans to recognize that they deserve better. Get them to stop buying into all of the propaganda that your corrupt front office puts out. They did a real doozy on your fans this offseason. Even I must admit they went above and beyond to get the fan base hyped up.

The sad thing is they knew the team would fail. They just never let the fans on in the secret. That is why I am here. To provide levity. To let you know that if we all stand together your sheisty front office will have to make real changes.

Until that happens I will be here my furry friend. I will be here to say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

You check another team's board every 10 minutes looking to post? Dude... get a life.

Poor old Elmer. Still shooting blanks.

Whoa. . Why are you so agitated and rude??

I thought we were having a nice civilized debate about the sorry state of your squad and your corrupt front office?


It is no wonder you are upset. You were once again sold a bill of goods that turned out to be fools gold.

Sheesh. . Now you know why I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

LOL Clown...you really need a friend. Thought about a pet Lion yet?

When he grows up, you'll make him very happy when he makes you into a nice meal.

Your front office really needs to focus on the fans and fielding competitive teams not just taking your hard earned cash.

I also need to say Poor Clowns. . Poor Clowns Indeed! when I think of how the Clown fans are being treated.

Ah good ol GMDawg. I just looked at my signature and it has a quote of yours from 2015. It is now going on 2020 and nothing has changed.

Wow! It truly is no wonder why I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Dorsey gone now too?


SMH. Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Wow, where ya been

Go 2 and a half years before you post. Dust off that keyboard! You haven't had much to say for quite a while!

Wow. I cant even really fault the fans for putting out confusing incorrect statements. Look at the owner of the team they follow. Each off season they hype up the fans to the point where they think they will actually have a competitive season. Then once the season starts it all comes crashing down.


Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Laughingstock
I have stated over and over that the Clowns front office does the same thing and gets the same dismal results. Now the national media is repeating the same thing.



I have been stating this repeatedly in this thread since 2015. We have people like GMdawg and Vambo who will tell you all is well. Do not worry. There is a plan. Clearly the only plan is to suck for the foreseeable future.




Once again. I have stated this fact over and over again. Maybe now the Clowns fans will listen. smh.



All facts. All facts that I have stated over the years also. Not to pat myself on the back but. . . I am right. I was also right that the Clowns uniforms are terrible. And I am also right that its time for this to stop!

Now you all get it. Now you all see why I fight so hard for your behalf. Now you understand my frustration with your front office.

Now you can see why I sometimes proclaim. . Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Poor old Elmer tasking shots at your own QB now while yinz sit home on your coach.

Well. . .I decided to go down memory lane and look at the the pearls of wisdom GMdawg has laid down in this thread. He is a veteran of this board. A long time Clowns fan. A respected member of Dawgtalkers. Let's take a look.



Well. . I am appalled. This quote was 5 years ago. Since then there have been multiple coaching changes. No winning seasons. Total fiasco. But according to GMdawg all is well. We are on the right track. Stay the course.

Quite frankly it is this line of lethargic lazy thinking that has the Clowns fans depressed and unmotivated.

Sheesh. .It truly is no wonder that I sometimes say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Poor Elmer never learns

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/3924893952/h2279C7F0/elmer-fudds-new-hunting-dog-didnt-work-out-so-well

Now that we have determined that I am right we can move forward. The problem is the Clowns front office. They have proved to be incompetent, disorganized, and low key criminal in the way they treat the fans.

They do NOT have your best interests at heart. They are NOT trying to field a winning team or build a winning culture.

They ARE only trying to fill their coffers with your hard earned grubby dollars.

So join me friends. Let’s turns you Clowns upside down. Bring respectability BACK to Cleveland. Instead of watching the the team you had stolen from you win titles and championships or watching your fiercest rival beat you 9 times out of 10 we can start a new winning tradition in Cleveland. Lord knows it is long overdue.


Till then I will say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

I would like to join in. You wont see me at the turnstiles ever. However, I was in favor of keeping First Time Freddie and at least give him a chance.

j/c:

I rarely check out this forum. It's really weird that someone would go to another team's site and talk trash. It spells loser.

But Clown is kind of funny in a weird sort of way and if you think about it, he is right about this:



Sad.

Wow.

It’s times like these that cause me to say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed.

So are you a clown and a hunter, or do you hunt clowns. You seem like a clown to me.

Sadly the Browns have morphed into the Clowns yet again. It is a story we have seen time and time again and it really hit home when on MNF the crowd chants Cleveland Sucks and the announcers co-sign the fans sentiment.

It's times like these that cause me to say Poor Clowns Poor Clowns Indeed!

Dude, you guys tied Detroit. Go back to your own board.

Well the team who tied the Lions also swept the Clowns. That is simply sad my friend and it is despicable how your front office takes advantage of your fanbase.

And go back to my own board? I was under the impression that this forum is for fans of other teams? Wait lets see what the Rules Of The Pound says about this subject.

Rules Of The Clown Pound


You are confused sir. Quite like the basement dwelling team. It's no wonder I sometimes say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

"tossing back and forth"

I don't remember you here last year at this time. You disappear when your team sucks, which makes your smack weak.

Thats the thing. I am not here for "smack" I am here to help bring light to the poor treatment of the Clown fans by your leadership.

You are seemingly angry at me and that is weak and cowardly. I did not underperform and land your team in the basement of the AFC North. Be angry at your front office.

You go from " Go back to your own board" to " I don't remember you here last year" Make up your mind friend.



Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

The point sailed over your head, but I guess I should've expected that from a troll who's crawled out from under their bridge for the first time in over a year.

I'm not angry. You're just annoying. There's a difference.

Annoying?


I cannot argue that. My posting style is not going to appeal to everyone. That is fair.

But. . . Who cares?

Your team is in the basement of the AFC North and is currently in shambles. So posting style points go out the window at this point. We are in triage my friend.

Wow. It is no wonder that I occasionally say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Look out Elmer, I'm a wascally wabbit

I’m just looking out for your best interest. You let your emotions get the best of you and you broke the Rules of the Pound.

The last thing we need is for you self destruct like Vambo and basically ban yourself through ineptitude and stupidity.


Oh yes before I forgot…. Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Sadly this prediction has not come to pass.

While GM has good intentions he has proven time and time again that his overall football knowledge is subpar and lacking. He relies on the hope that his team can magically manifest results instead of looking at his front offices track record and giving a accurate prediction.

It truly is a sad state of affairs. It really is no surprise that I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Are all those voices in your head talking or quit today Elmer?

j/c:

I really enjoy Clown Hunter's posts. Truly, I do.....I chuckle at most of them. It's hilarious seeing Dawgs on here continue to take the bait and get triggered like children over and over again all these years.

Let's talk about something substantial.

Maybe next time you will stop breaking the Rules Of The Pound.


You acted emotionally and with estrogen energy and name called me. Why though friend? You are not a newbie. You and I joined this board at the same time so you knew exactly what you were doing but decided to disrespect the Rules Of The Pound blatantly and for that the Ref's smacked you down and removed your posts.

So as a long time friend I warned you. I provided links and quotes from the Rules Of The Pound and told you to please be careful I acted in good faith and hoped that by bringing light to your temper tantrum that you would tone down the female energy and edit your post. What did you do though? You doubled down and then proceeded to break the Rules Of The Pound again by posting pics that exceeded the pixel limit.
This was apparently to much for the Refs and they then proceeded to discipline you by removing your posts. Quite frankly GM.. This is beneath you.. You are an elder statesmen of this board.. Other posters look up to you and honestly you let them down. Do better friend. This was a poor way to start off the new year. I would really hate for you to Vambo yourself because you could not follow simple rules that are here to help keep the board running smoothly.


Sigh. It is times like these that cause me to sometimes say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Seriously friend. I am baffled as to why they keep pointing their angst against me. I am not the one who made the Clowns have a losing season. I am just trying to get them to simply stop being so simple minded and look at the bigger picture. Your corrupt front office. Sigh. And people wonder why I say Poor Clowns Poor Clowns Indeed!

Well that would leave you out of every conversation.

The Refs decided to leave you out of your last few convo's when they Vambo'd your illegal posts.

Re Read the Newbie Primer and do better friend.

Poor Clowns Poor Clowns Indeed!

Well, at least CH is back under his bridge for another 6+ months.

Never fear my Pound Puppy loving friend. I am here. We know how your sheisty front office operates. They will slowly but steadily ramp up the pressure starting now until pre season starts. Their goal is to have you believing they are actually making progress and moving the team forward. By the time the season starts you will have already crowned yourselves pre season champs and in the running for a Lombardi.


Sadly it’s all fools gold and once again the Clowns will falter and stumble bum their way to another disappointing season. So I will be on hand to hopefully blunt the dangerous and disrespectful rhetoric of your owner and temper expectations.

Poor Clowns Poor Clowns Indeed

I give you credit for showing your face after your team got stomped.

Why would I not? I am here for a bigger purpose. I’m here to help save the Clowns fan base from another off season of high expectations that will lead to utter failure because of your train wreck of a front office.

We have some hard work ahead of us friends. Long time Clown fans like GM and others are securely on the side of the Clown owners and will attempt to muddy up the convo with distractions and name calling. Thankfully the Refs on this board are somewhat impartial and will either ban (Vambo) or censor (GM) posts that clearly break the long standing rules of this board.

It’s really no wonder why I say Poor Clowns Poor Clowns indeed!

It's what trolls usually do

Ironically your front office does the most trolling. Each year they troll your fan base into thinking they are going on the cusp of greatness. Each year your hopes come crashing down. Wow. It truly is no wonder why I occasionally say Poor Clowns Poor Clowns Indeed!

Last offseason the Clowns fan base was certain they were one of the favorites to make the Super Bowl. It was not their fault. The Clowns front office spearheaded this foolishness.

Now the Clowns fans have to watch as their Ohio brethren who used to be mocked put together a magical run to the Super Bowl.


Wow. It truly is no wonder I occasionally say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Enjoy your hot dog, your beer is going to have tears in it.

Sooooooooooooooooo... When I said that the Clowns front office was not interested in actually winning I was ignored.

When I said it was almost impossible for the Clowns to be this bad for so long in this league of parity I was told I was mistaken.

When I stated that the Clowns front office put the team in position to lose long before they stepped on the field I was told that could not be the case.

Hue Claims the Clowns Front Office Incentivized tanking


NOW you all see why I say Poor Clowns! Poor Clowns INDEED! smh

I think the part you're ignoring is that there isn't a soul in the world that cares what you say about the Browns!

That my clown nose wearing friend is categorically incorrect. There are Clown fans in this very thread that agree with me. In your vaunted Pure Football Forum there are others who echo my views.

So when you say there isn't "soul" in the world I can only look at your statement as blissful ignorance. That is better than thinking you are blatantly lying. I choose to see the good in the Clown fans. You guys have been through so much. No need to think the worst of you. Your Front office already does that.


Sigh. It is times like these that cause me to say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

That and the part where his team moves to Austin. How does he like Austin this time of year.

My hard work is finally paying off friends. Now we have former Clown head coaches coming out and putting a spotlight on the corruption on your shady front office. The same corruption I have been talking about.

That my puppy chow eating friends is why I continually say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

nice set up line. Tons of punch lines for jokes.

That is what the Clowns franchise has been overall since the merger. Despite having a rabid fan base it always seemed that the Clowns would stumble bum their way through seasons. Somehow they turned the once mighty Browns franchise into actual Clowns. A JOKE of a franchise.


It truly is quite distressing when you think about it. Zero AFC Championships. Smh. You fans have to sit back and watch while your biggest nemesis the Steelers have gone to multiple Super Bowls. The team that got stolen from you the Ravens have some multiple Superbowls. Even your little Ohio brothers the Bengals have defied the odds and made it to Super Bowls.


Now you see why I will occasionally proclaim…. Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

But what do you mean by that? Are you saying you like the Browns!

Just go away no one wants to hear you ...

Like? We are all adults here hopefully. Like has nothing to do with it. I am here to for a higher purpose my furry friend.

I am simply a man who has seen a loyal fanbase suffer injustice from a corrupt front office. I decided enough is enough. Something has to be done. To start we have to recognize that their is a problem and diagnose it fully.

There are more Clown fans seeing the light day by day. More are coming to the realization that your ownership is not truly interested in fielding a competitive team year in and year out. Even on the rare occasions of when you have a barely above average season it is always followed up by multiple seasons of absurdity and foolishness.


Sadly there are still hordes of Clown fans who are stuck in their old ways and still faithfully fall for same dumb dog tricks each off season. THAT is why I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

The truth hurts and stings. I understand my puppy chow scarfing friend. You are wrong of course. A quick looksee in this thread and you will see other Clown fans who agree with me.

SMH This my friends is why I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

The only higher purpose you have is feeding lies to the high horse you rode in on!
See this proves You ARE a closet Browns fan, Admit your love for the team you are obsessed with!
But what do you mean by that! You are saying you like the Browns?

Did you just say that Baker Mayfield is better than Aaron Rogers, because whenever your lips are moving that's all I'm hearing! Just admit you are a Browns fan and hop on the bandwagon, some will overlook it. I won't, most wont, but some might.

This original post by you, was made back in TWENTY FIFTEEN! so you've been obsessed with the Browns, stuck in a closet for over 7 YEARS!
When you say echo your views? what do you mean by that?

Right they are probably the bandwagon jumpers that agree with you, not the longtime Browns fans ....

This ironically is my sentiment also. Some will overlook that your front office does not have the have the Clowns fans best interests at heart. I my friend will NOT. It is a travesty pure and simple.

It truly is no wonder why you will hear me sometimes say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Thank you for acknowledging that I have been consistent in my message. I have not wavered. I took the least traveled path and called out the corruption in your front office.

THAT my friend is why I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

So. . If a fan's views do not line up with yours they are bandwagon jumpers? Hmm. Thats interesting.

Also. . so your admitting that your statement that no wants to hear me is incorrect. Thank you for being honest friend.

Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

It's better to not consider what that poster ever types. Not only does he become a bandwagon Browns fan from his former team. (No Class)
But he's never had a Point.
and after going on and on in his obsession with the Browns,
He has yet to articulate what he is trying to say.

This is why you are part of the problem friend. Your view is so narrow and restricted. You label people who do not follow your exact views as "bandwagon" You also would rather stick your head in the sand and not even consider a point that is different than your own.

That is not only a childish way of thinking it is bordering on moronic. You enjoy braying at the moon and following a Owner who is not interested in fielding a competitive team. Then show angst when someone points that out.

SMH. Its is 2022. Do better friend. At least consider a point other than your simplistic and juvenile views. Get out of your own way and look at the bigger picture. Until you do you may occasionally see me type: Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Are you STILL HERE!
You lost the war! Your season is over!!!
When you say you are going to "stick your head in the sand" what do you mean by that? ( I don't get him)

Yes I am here my furry friend. I am here bringing light to your corrupt owner and helping to put a spotlight on the their low class tactics.

Hell even you know the issue is more insidious than just pure bad luck.


You are on the right track! It is what the Clowns DO when they get players they want. Do they cultivate a spirit of winning? Or is their a cloud of hopelessness surrounding Berea?

This all starts and ends with your ownership. This is exactly why I say Poor Clowns! Poor Clowns Indeed!!

You are still dodging the question. Typical.

Sure I will answer my clown nose wearing friend. First we have to focus the Clown Nation to recognize the underhanded tactics the Owners use and keep you and your brethren from being fooled in the offseason for the umpteenth time.

Their usual method of operation is to crank up the off season rhetoric to such a level that the average Clown fan will assume ( wrongly ) that their squad is Super Bowl bound. When that happens the Clowns fans will go out in droves and buy up all of the Clown merch and tickets.

This in itself is not the issue. The issue is that while doing this the Owners will not actually put the team in a position to actually win a Super Bowl. The evidence of this is that they are the only team in the AFC North who has yet to sniff a Super Bowl. Predictably the Clowns fan base will wail and gnash their teeth while crying about the state of their tepid squad and they will say soberly. Well wait until next near I will also soberly say. Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

The question is, when you say you are going to stick your head in the sand, what do you mean by that?

You are the very definition of bandwagon, because as you come on here, 7 years ago, and not even admitting you are a Browns fan, yet obviously obsessed with the Browns, and now the Browns are winning you want to pretend like you were on board from day one?

See bandwagon. The term comes from when the band would follow the team to the game in travel. A fan, who became a fan at the last minute, would hop on the bands wagon in route to the game.

Am I putting him on, or is he putting me on. Some of us have been here for the long haul, so if the bandwagon label fits, wear it!

This was the question you were prattling about? Was it not self evident friend. I explained it right after that statement. Have you never hear of the idiom "Stick/Bury your head in the sand?"


Definition: to ignore or refuse to think about a problem or something unpleasant. To avoid, or try to avoid, a particular situation by pretending that it does not exist.

Stick Your Head In The Sand Meaning

I talk about the issues plaguing your team that is caused by your shady front office. You would rather I did not talk about it. You do not believe there is a issue. Henceforth: My reasoning for saying you would rather stick your head in the sand and not consider a point of view that is different from your own.


Now this whole point makes zero sense. Lets dissect this point by point.

1. I came here in 2006. Not 7 years ago. My message has been exactly the same since 2006. My posts are searchable. You can do your own research.

2. Now that the Clowns are winning? Winning what exactly my friend? Since 2006 how many Superbowls have the Clowns won? How many Afc Championships? How many Afc North Championships? How many winning seasons? I am not sure what you consider "winning" but lets be honest. The Clowns are not winners.

3. If you were Bengal fan you would have a case. They have people hopping on their bandwagon because they are "WINNERS" They are representing the AFC in the Superbowl. They beat KC in the playoffs. The Clowns have won nothing. Wait a minute. Did they even finish above 500 this year? Did not the Clowns avoid the basement of the AFC North by a doggie whisker?

I am sorry my friend. The Clowns have NO bandwagon fans. You have to have a "winning" team to get bandwagon fans. Nobody is on the bandwagon of perennial losers.



So now we see that you do not know what the popular idiom sticking your head in the sand means you also do not know what bandwagon means.

Bandwagon Definition: Someone who joins or supports something, usually a sports team, only after it is successful or popular.
Bandwagon Fan Definition

The Clowns are neither successful or popular. THAT is the very reason why I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

If you think sticking your head in the sand, is going to turn up anything more than ants, then why do you do it?

I will gladly answer my Gravy Train scarfing friend. Why do I talk about the plight of your community? I bring light to your corrupt front office in the hopes that one day we can turn the Clown Nation into the Browns Nation.

You see. Way back in the day. The Browns were once a proud organization with a rich history of winning and excellence. Their fans rejoiced and enjoyed the fruits of their team labors. Since the Superbowl era the Browns have turned into the Clowns and the fans have taken the brunt of the hurt.

This is why I say Poor Clowns. Poor Clowns Indeed!

Ya, along with a few others. Surprising really.