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Posted By: PitDAWG Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 05:43 PM
The “Redneck Revolt” Is Showing Up at Gun Shows and KKK Rallies to End White Supremacy

Last year, following the presidential election, I wrote a column suggesting that people who identify as White consider working in their own families and communities to address the racism and bigotry that helped to put Donald Trump in office. I asked what if the well-intentioned White allies who have moved to urban centers to “help” communities of color had instead remained in their own communities—however racially regressive and intolerable—and worked to make them better at engaging in race relations.

I later discussed two communities doing this kind of work. In Maine, a Truth & Reconciliation Commission investigated how generations of Native children had been taken from their homes, against the wishes of their families, and placed in foster care with White families. From that process came the organization Maine Wabanaki REACH, a cross-cultural group that worked to implement suggestions that came out of the commission to help heal that community. And the Truth-Telling Project, founded in Ferguson, Missouri, following the police-killing of Michael Brown, is not only working within its community to address police violence enacted on the mostly Black community, but also with White communities in other states. The TTP is helping them with their approach to truth-telling in their local areas, and unlearning racism.

My thinking is this: Our best hope for changing deep-rooted attitudes that perpetuate racism and White supremacy is for people from similar backgrounds to work together toward that end. Conversations between people with shared life experiences could perhaps more effectively change minds and, ultimately, behaviors. This is a strategy of Redneck Revolt.

The self-described anti-capitalist, anti-racist, anti-fascist group was founded in the summer of 2016 to challenge working-class White people to stand against White supremacy.

In an open letter called “To Other Working Americans,” Redneck Revolt put out a call for its fellow working-class rural White people to “reject the idea of whiteness.” That is, they wrote, “to reject the idea that our allegiance is somehow determined by what skin we have, even when our real living situations are so different.”

Media and some progressives want to lay blame for the Trump presidency at the feet of working-class White people, yet it is this demographic that makes up Redneck Revolt. The organization recruits working-class and poor Whites in rural areas—the target of far-right and White nationalist groups.

This is intentional.

They are rural White people challenging other rural White people to connect to their local communities so that they can build the kind of relationships that defend each other against the divisions caused by right-wing politics. They do this by sharing the history of struggle experienced by all working-class Americans and immigrants: people of color, White people, and LGBTQ communities.

“Race affects us all differently,” co-founder Tyler said in a Redneck Revolt podcast, “but what unites us is our shared struggle to survive—the working-class folks, poor folks.

“And there are people who systematically benefit from our struggle.”

To be clear, that’s the wealthy.

With about 40 chapters nationwide, Redneck Revolt members can be found “counter recruiting” at gun shows, country music concerts, and White nationalist/Ku Klux Klan demonstrations around the country.

Modeled after the Rainbow Coalition, the group builds alliances with non-White organizations. It’s not uncommon to see them show up at a Black Lives Matter protest in support of that movement’s efforts.

Redneck Revolt’s immediate work is organizing White working-class people to attend to the needs of their local communities. This includes food programs, community gardens, clothing programs, and needle exchanges (in addition to their armed self-defense programs, which comes from the organization’s roots in the John Brown Gun Club). All this organizing is done as a coalition with organizations of color.

This is what it looks like when White folks exercise self-determination in their own communities—naming for themselves who are their allies, what is their real enemy, what needs to be done to heal and build community on all sides of the color line.

Getting more serious about that sort of work is Scalawag Magazine, which on Nov. 2 announced an in-depth reporting initiative on how Southerners are challenging White supremacy. In a recent New York Times article, Alysia Nicole Harris, the editor of Scalawag, said: “Ultimately, we believe that the South is going to be the voice that emerges to lead this conversation about trauma and healing, because here is where the trauma was the thickest.”

This is hopeful news. For decades, Whites have worked alongside communities of color for civil rights. It is reassuring to know there are White allies bold enough to hold their own people accountable to disrupt racism and White supremacy.

https://www.yesmagazine.org/people-power...remacy-20171117
Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 06:02 PM
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG



In an open letter called “To Other Working Americans,” Redneck Revolt put out a call for its fellow working-class rural White people to “reject the idea of whiteness.” That is, they wrote, “to reject the idea that our allegiance is somehow determined by what skin we have, even when our real living situations are so different.”



Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 06:09 PM
I can't think of anything as appropriate as "Redneck Revolt" to show the smug attitudes of these guilty whites.

Ohh lets come together and dismantle racism....YOU REDNECKS. You have got to be kidding me.

"Hey I can hear what you're saying, it doesn't sound that bad, where can I find you?
".....Oh Redneck Revolt"
"Never mind"
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 06:16 PM
You sound like you had your feelings hurt because some white people decided to stand up against racism instead of for it.
Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 06:22 PM
Nice try. Insulting people you claim to want to help is at minimum a dick move.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 06:30 PM
Oh really? I actually think most southern rural people consider being a redneck as a badge of honor. At least where I grew up it was.

I consider myself a redneck but it means different things to different people. The term actually originated with coal miners standing up for workers rights.
Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 06:33 PM
I don't live in the south and I don't know anyone who would take to being called a redneck well. Different perspective I guess.
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 06:39 PM
Sounds like a very worthy effort to move the needle on the problem..

I do understand, however, why the name might be off-putting (or at least confusing) to some...

Is the message that we are rednecks too and we are revolting against rednecks who are racists?

Is it that all racists are rednecks?

I can see the confusion... but the effort itself sounds great.
Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 06:40 PM
Absolutely a worthy effort, but thumbing your nose at people does not work. This is WHY Trump got elected!
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 06:47 PM
The problem is that in rural America, some folks embrace the label of redneck, to them it means hard working, close to the land, blue collar, even church going, etc... others despise it because for them it has a backwards, low class, racist connotation.... so using it in the name of a group like this is obviously going to get a mixed reaction even among those who like the effort..

It's really not all that different than starting a group in a black community with the "N" word in the title, even if the purpose of the group is noble, it's going to get a mixed reaction...
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 06:50 PM
Originally Posted By: BpG
I don't live in the south and I don't know anyone who would take to being called a redneck well. Different perspective I guess.


Yes it is a different perspective. But having lived in an area where being a redneck was far more a badge of honor than a put down, let me assure you that only people who attempt to use the phrase as a put down see it the other way.

I do believe they could have come up with a more appropriate name but when you're going up against people like the KKK it seems they felt the need to make a bold statement in return.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 06:52 PM
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
It's really not all that different than starting a group in a black community with the "N" word in the title, even if the purpose of the group is noble, it's going to get a mixed reaction...


If you actually feel using the word redneck in any way or fashion even close to using the N word, that my friend is part of the problem.
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 06:53 PM
Originally Posted By: BpG
I don't live in the south and I don't know anyone who would take to being called a redneck well. Different perspective I guess.

It ain't just the south.. I know people all over PA, IN and other northern states who openly embrace the label of redneck... some just embrace it for different reasons than others.
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 06:56 PM
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
It's really not all that different than starting a group in a black community with the "N" word in the title, even if the purpose of the group is noble, it's going to get a mixed reaction...


If you actually feel using the word redneck in any way or fashion even close to using the N word, that my friend is part of the problem.

If you actually don't understand the type of analogy I was making, then there is no need in proceeding...

You saw a reference to "the 'N' word' in a thread about rednecks and immediately got all triggered like every good little snowflake does and forgot to even consider the context in which it was used...
Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 06:58 PM
So really this name is poor regardless. Either their revolting against something you like or they are insinuating you're a racist/low class that needs revolted against. I know I am getting caught up in the semantics here, but I don't see how this was a wise choice either way.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 07:00 PM
j/c:

Labels are dangerous.

I wonder if the focus of the thread might be better served on the cause and purpose of this movement rather than the name and labels?

Just a question.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 07:02 PM
Nothing wrong with being a redneck and redneck doesn't mean racist.

Freddie Kitchens is a classic redneck.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 07:06 PM
Yes, I'm actually from southern Ohio but a lot of people who live there originated in the south. Like my family, many southerners joined in moving north for good jobs in the late 40's through the 70's. I had several uncles, cousins and other relatives who came from SE Kentucky who moved to SW Ohio for good jobs. Even my grandpa moved north for work.

Most all of them first joined the military before their move to Ohio.

Here is some information from the Redneck Revolt website that helps explain their reasoning for the use of the term.

Quote:
Redneck Revolt was founded in 2016 as an anti-racist, anti-fascist community defense formation. The history of the term redneck is long and complex. One of the earliest recorded uses of the term comes from the 1890’s, and refers to rednecks as “poorer inhabitants of the rural districts…men who work in the field, as a matter of course, generally have their skin burned red by the sun, and especially is this true of the back of their necks”.​

In 1921, the term became synonymous with armed insurrection against the state, as members of the United Mine Workers of America tied red bandanas around their necks during the Battle of Blair Mountain, a two week long armed multi-racial labor uprising in the coalfields of West Virginia.​

Today, the term redneck has taken on a demeaning connotation, primarily among upper class urban liberals who have gone out of their way to dehumanize working class and poor people. Terms like “white trash” and "hillbilly" have come to signify the view among these same upper class liberals of poor rural folks.

To us, redneck is a term that signifies a pride in our class as well as a pride in resistance to bosses, politicians, and all those that protect domination and tyranny.

https://www.redneckrevolt.org/


It appears to me that they are actually embracing that they themselves are rednecks that are revolting against the norms. Not that they are targeting rednecks.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 07:08 PM
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Nothing wrong with being a redneck and redneck doesn't mean racist.

Freddie Kitchens is a classic redneck.


I agree 100%. It seems they are claiming pride in the fact they're rednecks not attempting to attack people they perceive as rednecks.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 07:09 PM
I'm not triggered but there is no real comparison. All you really need to do is read the thread to see who is triggered.
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 07:14 PM
Quote:
I wonder if the focus of the thread might be better served on the cause and purpose of this movement rather than the name and labels?

Of course.. it's a noble cause. Racist/bigots aren't going to change because blacks, latinos, and gays tell them to or because the media guilts them or because somebody passes legislation forcing them to love everybody..... they will only change when other whites, their neighbors and friends, engage them.

Most groups/beliefs don't change from outside pressure, they change from internal pressure, information, knowledge, and relationships.
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 07:15 PM
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I'm not triggered but there is no real comparison. All you really need to do is read the thread to see who is triggered.

There is an exact comparison.. some people who fit the description of redneck embrace the term, some hate it..

now replace redneck with the N word...
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 07:18 PM
If we wish to ignore the origin of the word and how one was used in the process of owning and enslaving people while the other in no way resembles that, I guess you can. But I don't see how you can ignore history to make this fit.
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 07:20 PM
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
If we wish to ignore the origin of the word and how one was used in the process of owning and enslaving people while the other in no way resembles that, I guess you can. But I don't see how you can ignore history to make this fit.

That's because you don't want it to fit... you want to argue history and degree and read way beyond the scope of my little analogy..
Posted By: GMdawg Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 07:28 PM
Quote:
Oh really? I actually think most southern rural people consider being a redneck as a badge of honor. At least where I grew up it was.


I'm a redneck and proud of it smile
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 07:30 PM
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
That's because you don't want it to fit... you want to argue history and degree and read way beyond the scope of my little analogy..


When you make your scope so narrow it's hard to contain it to fit an agenda.

Context actually means something.
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 07:42 PM
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
That's because you don't want it to fit... you want to argue history and degree and read way beyond the scope of my little analogy..


When you make your scope so narrow it's hard to contain it to fit an agenda.

Context actually means something.

I wasn't trying to fit an agenda..

Your second comment is interesting since you haven't put an ounce of thought to the context in which I made the analogy...
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 07:45 PM
Nobody is just going to forget the history of a word to fit a debate.

But you've certainly managed to veer away from the message of the topic.
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 08:12 PM
Originally Posted By: BpG
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG



In an open letter called “To Other Working Americans,” Redneck Revolt put out a call for its fellow working-class rural White people to “reject the idea of whiteness.” That is, they wrote, “to reject the idea that our allegiance is somehow determined by what skin we have, even when our real living situations are so different.”




That graph makes no sense, or is misleading at best.

It states the results are % of each group.

Then under Black, its 52% followed by a 22, and the 52% is displayed more like at the 75% mark of the bar.
Then Hispanics, 31 and 28 .. 31%?? because the 31 marker is looks more like around 50% area, which would be 31ppl and 28 ppl.

The asian and the white follow the same style as the hispanic.

Then Scott Greer claim only 15% of white, well the bar is 5 and 10, if it's 5 of the 5 + 10 thats 33%.

Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 08:20 PM
He is correct, but it does give me pause that the graphic is inverted from this link...

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/04/...-19_race-03-00/
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 08:21 PM
Originally Posted By: BpG
He is correct, but it does give me pause that the graphic is inverted from this link...

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/04/...-19_race-03-00/


5 of 15 was 33% when I went to school. smile
Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 08:27 PM
Confusing sure, but the pew website says those are percentages of respondents.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 08:36 PM
Redneck revolt. lol
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 08:36 PM


I am still reading the "NET" as the total number of respondents.

Extremely Important + Very Important = Net Voters

5 + 10 = 15 ___ 5 of 10 = 33%
52 + 22 = 74 ___ 52 of 74 = 70%
31 + 28 = 59 ___ 31 of 59 = 52%
27 + 28 = 55 (not 54) ___ 27 of 55 = 49%

I think the bar represents %, but none of the stated figures do. It's misleading.


Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/06/19 11:46 PM
j/c:

Once again, the real issue has been avoided because one poster challenged the meaning or "redneck" in an apparent attempt to deflect what is really important in this story. Every one else fell for it hook, line, and sinker...although I will say that DC at least addressed the real issue.

I have a feeling I know what some of our minority posters are feeling when they read the comments on this thread. And while I may call y'all out at times, I still have your back and I do understand what you are dealing with.
Posted By: WooferDawg Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 03:26 AM
There are false premises in the article. It is difficult at best for whites to understand the issues of non-whites. Ultimately the approach is seeking to increase division along economic lines, not racial lines. That is just re-assignment of the object of contention.

To really address the problem, you simply have to work with the understanding that people are people, set aside the race, economic, and educational differences, and treat people fairly and we would be better off. If a person is a jerk, it is because they are a jerk, not because of their race or wealth.

I have to work with a lot of people. In California it cannot be avoided. But I have found that it is counter productive to consider anything else but the character of a person as the primary indicator of their ability.
Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 12:55 PM
Right I am deflecting despite flat out saying it's a worthwhile cause. Get out of here with your sniping garbage. You're the VERY first one to cry about agendas but constantly carry them around.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 01:00 PM
What's my agenda on this topic?
Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 01:05 PM
That's the pettiest, lamest part, it has nothing to do with this topic.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 01:13 PM
Originally Posted By: BpG
That's the pettiest, lamest part, it has nothing to do with this topic.


You're pretty good w/insults and character attacks when you are questioned about something. I'll tell you what my "agenda" is on this thread. I think we should be spending more time discussing the actual intent of the movement and it's possible repercussions it can have on race relations instead of making a big deal about the word "redneck."

Thus, my "agenda" is far from petty. I think that race relations is a very important issue in our country and I don't like spending a lot of time discussing labels. I think that the goal should be to strive to improve relations between the races. And educating the masses--on all sides--is essential to making progress on such an important issue. Bickering about a label does absolutely nothing to help bridge the divide between us.

Now, it's your turn to go back to throwing out insults instead of actually speaking w/some semblance of intelligence on the real issue here.
Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 01:24 PM
"Bickering about labels does absolutely nothing to help bridge the divide between us"


So yeah, put the name redneck in your group....trying to "reach" people you think re-education. That certainly won't reinforce the smug arrogance of someone coming to you trying to "re- educate you" willynilly

See the problem is that you see only their intent and if I were a betting man KKK members and Confederate flag wavers won't receive someone from "Redneck Revolt" well flat out off the name. That's not a deflection, that's not an agenda that is a reality. You talk about bridging the divide yet you missed the entire point of my "deflection" then tried to insinuate I am racist with your "I bet I know what POC poster think" comment.

The smugness, the arrogance, the talking down IS HOW TRUMP GOT ELECTED. So you might think I am not helping bridge the divide but you would be wrong. I am trying to convey that if you want to reach these people, starting with the word redneck is a dumbass way to start. It's unnecessary and even if it's well intended it's naive to think it will be received that way by everyone.
Posted By: Swish Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 01:27 PM
You voted for a guy who launched his campaign off of calling the first black president a foreign born Muslim.

You have no credibility to talk about how to bridge the divide, when you’re an active part of it.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 01:29 PM
Just speaking for myself and my real world experience of traveling all over the South and living in NC..... I've met many many more people who call themselves Redneck and wear it as a badge to be proud of than who would be offended by it.

As for discussing the name instead of the focus ... yep - straight up deflection and helps to perpetuate the issues.
Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 01:33 PM
Right a straight up deflection. Sure it is.

Quote:
Redneck is a derogatory term chiefly but not exclusively applied to white Americans perceived to be crass and unsophisticated, closely associated with rural whites of the Southern United States.[1][2] Its usage is similar in meaning to cracker (especially regarding Texas, Georgia, and Florida), hillbilly (especially regarding Appalachia and the Ozarks),[3] and white trash (but without the last term's suggestions of immorality).[4][5][6]

By the 1970s, the term had become offensive slang, its meaning expanded to include racism, loutishness, and opposition to modern ways.[7]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 01:37 PM
Quote:
then tried to insinuate I am racist with your "I bet I know what POC poster think" comment.


You completely misconstrued what I was saying because you take things so personally. Get past your feelings and we can discuss things.


Quote:
I am trying to convey that if you want to reach these people, starting with the word redneck is a dumbass way to start. It's unnecessary and even if it's well intended it's naive to think it will be received that way by everyone.


This makes sense to me. So, what should be done instead? Rename the organization? Replace it w/another? Carry on w/out trying to change things?

Let me back up a bit. Do you think that trying to change the mindset of certain groups of whites through education is a worthwhile pursuit? If so, how successful would such a movement be? Do you see any correlation to such a movement and the Civil Rights movement in 1960s? Were those ideas embraced or did they face resistance? Were they good for the country or not? Should we once again undertake the mission of trying to change deeply embedded ideological beliefs? Do you think more time should be spent on how to be accepting of one another rather than forcing policies down one another's throats? Do you think such pursuits are worthwhile and do you think they can improve things for all of our citizens?

Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 01:53 PM
This is where the hard left on this board gets me wrong. I love black folk,I love black comedy, I love black music, I grew up with it, I have a Tupac tattoo on my back. I will not coddle Blacks or Asians or Indians, I am not a white savior, you got to stand on your own.

I already said this, multiple times in this thread along it's worthwhile. It's absolutely pivotal to extinguish these horrible ideologies. I would love nothing more than be able to facilitate this on an even plane. It is absolutely in the best interest of this country.

Here is my hangup, I posted the graphic for a reason, way more whites view their race as being NON pivotal in who they are. Like I tell my wife during arguments, I will own my faults, but I need you to at least recognize yours. How can you try to reach these people, tell them that they need to give up their "White pride" when they are literally the only ones being asked to do that? Doesn't that breed resentment? How does resentment end up? Round and round we go.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 02:06 PM
I don't want to answer all my own questions yet. Hopefully, others will pitch in w/intelligence and logical thoughts.

I will just add that tribalism is strong in all groups. I am not only asking whites to change, but change they must. I think many minorities are guilty of similar stances. That is why I always say don't fight hate w/hate.

I also want to say that some people will never be reached. We'll never live in Utopia. However, if we can reach enough people on the periphery, we can make significant progress.

Hopefully, we can have a productive conversation. We do have some intelligent folks on this board. Maybe we can discuss this w/out all the name-calling and labeling.
Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 02:08 PM
lol that was my point this entire thread, literally starting a group with a racial slur/label in it. That is what I have been in here arguing about, so you do agree with it, but yet you called it a deflection?
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 02:13 PM
What?

Never mind.
Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 02:14 PM
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Maybe we can discuss this w/out all the name-calling and labeling.


Quote:
Redneck Revolt


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Once again, the real issue has been avoided because one poster challenged the meaning or "redneck" in an apparent attempt to deflect what is really important in this story.
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 02:38 PM
Originally Posted By: BpG
Right a straight up deflection. Sure it is.

Quote:
Redneck is a derogatory term chiefly but not exclusively applied to white Americans perceived to be crass and unsophisticated, closely associated with rural whites of the Southern United States.[1][2] Its usage is similar in meaning to cracker (especially regarding Texas, Georgia, and Florida), hillbilly (especially regarding Appalachia and the Ozarks),[3] and white trash (but without the last term's suggestions of immorality).[4][5][6]

By the 1970s, the term had become offensive slang, its meaning expanded to include racism, loutishness, and opposition to modern ways.[7]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck


I don't care what the dictionary says, my 30 years of living in the south says that most "rednecks" consider it synonymous with "country boy/girl", some as "southerner" and then some do take it as derogatory depending on the context it is used, and by who.
Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 02:39 PM
Completely valid and understood.
Posted By: Swish Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 03:09 PM
Jc

Why is it that people are posting pics of black Americans and how they view their identity with literally no context behind it?

And yet we’re getting plenty of context behind the term redneck. Odd.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 03:15 PM
Originally Posted By: mgh888
Just speaking for myself and my real world experience of traveling all over the South and living in NC..... I've met many many more people who call themselves Redneck and wear it as a badge to be proud of than who would be offended by it.

As for discussing the name instead of the focus ... yep - straight up deflection and helps to perpetuate the issues.


The funniest part of it all? They aren't calling other people rednecks. They're calling themselves rednecks. I posted it from their website and it explained it was a label they gave themselves and explained why.

But none of that made any difference.

People either didn't read it or don't care.
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 03:20 PM
Originally Posted By: Swish
Jc

Why is it that people are posting pics of black Americans and how they view their identity with literally no context behind it?

And yet we’re getting plenty of context behind the term redneck. Odd.


Well, if "posting pics of black Americans" you're referring to the poll result from Pew, then I will say, I was pointing out how the graph and it's presentation of the numbers is misleading, and quite possible agenda driven.

The poll itself gave no context to the statistics, and more so, when the only 2 poll choice seem to be "Extremely Important" and "Very Important" it leaves little room for accurate statistics, as "Very" and "Extremely", are very subjective terms and often have a lot of crossover.

Other than that, I don't know. smile
Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 03:25 PM
I posted the link to the article, not sure how much more context is required.
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 03:35 PM
Originally Posted By: BpG
I posted the link to the article, not sure how much more context is required.


This link?
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/04/...-19_race-03-00/


Went to this, I didn't see an article.


Posted By: BpG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 03:43 PM
It's in the sources, here you go.

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/04/09/race-in-america-2019/
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 03:45 PM
Thank you
Posted By: Swish Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 03:55 PM
i read the article behind it.

it fails to address why black americans are historically tied to our identity so much compared to whites.

and thats what im saying. im reading all this back story stuff about the term redneck, but the guy who posted the pic wont give his own definition/overall input as to why identity is a big deal to blacks.

it would be like me posting a pic showing how white people represent the majority of mass shootings, and then try to bail and talk about something else. a lot of yall would be like "ummmm, care to elaborate at all?"
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 04:05 PM
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and thats what im saying. im reading all this back story stuff about the term redneck, but the guy who posted the pic wont give his own definition/overall input as to why identity is a big deal to blacks.

This is a fair and valid point... guess I had never thought of it in these terms.

Blacks were persecuted as a collective group BECAUSE they are black.. they rose up against it and fought it as a group.. they continue to fight it as a group... When they have successes or failures in this effort they view it as a GROUP success or failure...

I can tell you straight up that white people don't look at things from that perspective... they often look at success and failure as a GROUP dynamic but it's not a racial group.. it's as a prolife group or an environmentalist group or a democrat/republican group or a town/state group.. but I can't think of many instances where white people viewed something as a win/loss for "white people" collectively.

Thanks, I saw something from a new perspective this morning. It's going to be a good day. thumbsup
Posted By: Swish Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 04:14 PM
you, Clem and Pit open my eyes to new perspectives all the time so im glad i can return the favor.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 04:17 PM
I found it quite refreshing to see a bunch of self proclaimed rednecks fighting against white supremacy. We need more of them.
Posted By: Swish Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 04:22 PM
i think its amazing.

a lot of guys i served with are from the south (i think most military service members are), and they always called themselves rednecks.

and they were also the first ones to trash anybody saying some bigoted racist crap too. i never viewed redneck as a racist term, or considered people who call themselves rednecks as racist. i get why some people have a problem with it, but the people who tend to have an issue with rednecks are people who aren't even from the rural communities/country.

like...i'd never call some dude from NE ohio a redneck.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 04:59 PM
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
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and thats what im saying. im reading all this back story stuff about the term redneck, but the guy who posted the pic wont give his own definition/overall input as to why identity is a big deal to blacks.

This is a fair and valid point... guess I had never thought of it in these terms.

Blacks were persecuted as a collective group BECAUSE they are black.. they rose up against it and fought it as a group.. they continue to fight it as a group... When they have successes or failures in this effort they view it as a GROUP success or failure...

I can tell you straight up that white people don't look at things from that perspective... they often look at success and failure as a GROUP dynamic but it's not a racial group.. it's as a prolife group or an environmentalist group or a democrat/republican group or a town/state group.. but I can't think of many instances where white people viewed something as a win/loss for "white people" collectively.

Thanks, I saw something from a new perspective this morning. It's going to be a good day. thumbsup



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Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 06:51 PM
There's a reason you're considered a valued and smart person, an asset to the Dawgtalkers community. It's because people listen to you.

You're not going to change the opinions of those deeply entrenched in their views. But you certainly can give open minded people the option of looking at things through a different lens.

Or, you can let those whose opinions that will never change convince you that your value isn't important or considered. That choice rests with you.
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 06:58 PM
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I found it quite refreshing to see a bunch of self proclaimed rednecks fighting against white supremacy. We need more of them.

Which is a point that has been made a number of times... they are there, they have been there for a long time. But generally they were not willing to stand up, possibly for fear of alienating their family and friends? alienating their town? I don't know.

It's great to see them start to stand up and realize, if you need to tell your friends that racism is wrong... maybe you just need better friends.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 07:11 PM
That may be true but I think some of it has to do with the culture you were raised in. I don't believe these people are actually "addressing their friends". But trying to help change the mind set of people who are not their friends.

Often times pointing out the commonality among people can help to overcome conceived differences. I came from a community where people had a lot of racist tendencies. Said a lot of racist things. It was pretty common place. Their opinions were based on what was spread around. By what extreme leaning people said.

It certainly didn't come from experience of knowing black people. We had a grand total of one black student. She had been adopted as a baby by a white family. We had one black teacher who was my music teacher.

I was lucky enough to have a dad who understood that as long as we allowed those who funded and promoted keeping working people divided based on race, it limited the power of those people to have any control. A man who pointed out just how much the poor and working class had in common, verses the few actual differences.
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 07:18 PM
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I came from a community where people had a lot of racist tendencies. Said a lot of racist things. It was pretty common place. Their opinions were based on what was spread around. By what extreme leaning people said.

I had a fair amount of that... and most folks (myself included) even if we were uncomfortable with it, weren't willing to take a stand against it.

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That may be true but I think some of it has to do with the culture you were raised in. I don't believe these people are actually "addressing their friends". But trying to help change the mind set of people who are not their friends.

Even if they aren't directly addressing their friends, by letting it be known that they are in this group, their friends will know where they stand..

And I probably misspoke with "family and friends".. it is more social circles, people with some commonality who can relate etc more than actually going at your immediate circle of friends.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 07:30 PM
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN

And I probably misspoke with "family and friends".. it is more social circles, people with some commonality who can relate etc more than actually going at your immediate circle of friends.


I would venture to guess that the message would be much better received from people that felt there was a level of commonality from the messenger than from those you didn't have such a feeling about. Not from everyone mind you, but at least from those willing to listen with an open mind.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/07/19 10:05 PM
The Redneck Revolt's bat signal is a set of Billy-Bob teeth projected onto the likeness of Lincoln or MLK.
Posted By: GMdawg Re: Redneck Revolt - 05/08/19 11:16 AM
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i'd never call some dude from NE ohio a redneck


Thats only because we have not hung out together.
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