GOP sheep. “She’s an idiot because we can’t control what she says, her body, or her mind.”

Veterans walk out of meeting with Ocasio-Cortez after she bashes US foreign policy

By Isabel Vincent and Shant Shahrigian

June 1, 2019 | 12:59pm | Updated


Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez bashed US foreign policy during a private meeting with Bronx community leaders, prompting two military veterans to storm out.

“She knocks the country, she knocks the president. And that’s not what America is about,” said Silvio Mazzella, a Vietnam War vet and treasurer of Community Board 11.

Anthony Vitaliano — an Army veteran who worked in the NYPD for 38 years, and commanded the Bronx’s homicide detectives — was sitting between Ocasio-Cortez and a staffer for the freshman Dem.

“I just couldn’t hear her BS anymore,” the former CB11 chairman said. “I just got up, got my umbrella in my hand and walked right out.”

AOC held the closed-door meeting with about a dozen members of the board on Wednesday night, marking a rare visit to the Bronx part of her district.

One Middle Eastern board member raised the issue of the conflict in Yemen.

The progressive firebrand slammed the US policy of providing bombs to Saudi Arabia, which has supported Yemen’s government in a brutal civil war, according to attendees. Some blamed her for not including the roles of other nations in explaining the volatile region’s violence.

“Talking about America, that really turned me off completely,” said Mazzella, 74, who said he fought in Vietnam from 1966 to 1968.

When Israel came up later in the meeting, Ocasio-Cortez suggested President Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are autocrats, according to a person at the meeting.

“I was revolted,” said the attendee, who didn’t want his name published.


He, Mazzella and Vitaliano said they all walked out in disgust before the end of the session.

Earlier, board members complained about problems with the US Postal Service, which regularly misses mail deliveries, and a local Amtrak property that is a magnet for graffiti vandals. CB 11 is a working-class neighborhood on the eastern side of the Bronx covering Allerton, Morris Park, Pelham Gardens and Van Nest. In addition to parts of the Bronx, Ocasio-Cortez’s district includes north-central Queens.

“Did she care about the issues? She wrote them down,” said Vitaliano, 78. “The jury will be out on the local issues.”

She “danced around the whole” question of Columbus Day, for which the neighborhood holds a parade every year, said Vitaliano, who supports creating a day for indigenous people but wants to preserve the treasured Italian-American tradition.

The room wasn’t entirely hostile to AOC, though. One attendee said, “There were a lot of people that really adored what she was saying.”

AOC’s office denied that anyone stormed out of the meeting.

“The only person that left the meeting while it was underway was someone who had to go pick up their children,” said AOC spokesman Corbin Trent.

Asked about Trent’s comment, Vitaliano said, “That’s bulls–t. Everybody that was there knows I walked out.”

https://nypost.com/2019/06/01/veterans-w...impression=true

Go off Queen!

Liberal sheep. "We love her because she's young, mildly attractive, and extremely socialist."

She's extremely socialist? Since when??

Wow.

Stared down the enemy on the field of battle, but then ran when a little girl said some stuff they didn't like.

Profiles in courage.

I get that they are veterans. I don't get why they ran. They could have stayed and asked questions. They could have countered her comments with assertions of their own. Dialogue is also an option. It would have been preferable to pearl-clutching and flight.

I find her entertaining because she causes the right wing to get their panties in a wad.

Healthcare - Free
Jobs - Guaranteed at $15/hour
Housing - Guaranteed
Higher Education - Free
Banking - Through the postal service?
Social Security - Taking more from the rich who won't qualify for benefits to give to those who will

So, really? Her entire platform is about the government controlling more and more of everything, controlling supply, controlling cost, controlling wages.. and if people can't afford something, just give it to them.

Yep ...”money is larger than life and we’re above the law. The poor can go pound salt.”
And really? Many countries have most of those things listed and aren’t considered a socialist society. And I so love how the GOP sheep like to equate socialists to communists. I always get a giggle out of that. Considering their allowing a known communist (Putin) to get away with meddling in our elections. Friggin commies pfft

I understand why one would assume she's a socialist, because in our political climate we've created a dualistic model that excludes terms for other political philosophies. However, she is a social Democrat and not a socialist. She believes that we can find a market based approach that guarantees citizens will be able to have certain rights. Other than m4a, all of these are 100% market based approaches towards equality. And without developing a socialized plan for medical care, covering insurance will still just be a market based approach.

A true sign that she's a social Democrat and not a socialist, is that you keep saying 'the government will provide' instead of saying that public ownership will rise.
A small, but very serious distinction.

But ultimately, if the government doesn't do this then who will? If capitalism is to be believed, it will be the individual. Will Elon Musk save us from global warming? Will Bezos raise the pay of every American? If capitalism is to be believed, then yes they will.

As a matter of semantics, I said she is "extremely socialist"... I didn't say she is pure socialist.

I just wrote a post in the net worth thread expressing my views on the spectrum from pure capitalism to pure socialism.. she is much farther down the spectrum toward socialism than I am.. I won't reproduce the whole post here.

I think AOC will be our first female president at the rate she is going. Just wanted to throw that out there.

It's certainly possible, here is one of the bigger challenges I think she is going to face.... she's only 29. She can't legally run until she's 35 and probably wouldn't run for at least a few years after that. So first she has to just maintain her seat in congress for that duration.

She won't be the shiny new thing by the time she runs, she will be viewed by then as being more a part of the establishment than somebody who stands up against it. She is going to have a long track record by the time she is in a position to run and I think the right would rise up against her even more than they did Hillary. In large part because she is farther left than Hillary.

I read it and it was good. I would say that our disagreement lies on how our spectrums are built. In my spectrum, socialism is the middle ground of communism and capitalism. I assume your spectrum is different than mine. My spectrum reads that even in America AOC is to the right of the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America), which is to the right of the IWW (Industrial Workers of the World). So I consider AOC to be barely socialist with the IWW would be extremely Socialists. Even to take it back to the original, AOC would be to the left of Warren, but to the right of Bernie Sanders.

Personally, I'm finding AOC very annoying, not uncommon in leftist circles, and I think she's the Democrats' version of Ted Cruz. Except much more elegant and smart, but still a ruthless social climber.

I would agree that it is between them, I would disagree that it is in the middle. If you are talking about each system in its pure form, communism and socialism are much closer together on the spectrum, with capitalism WAAAAAAAAAAAY over there.

ie.

Capitalism.............................................Socialism...........Communism
(Not exactly to scale)


I would agree with the analogy but disagree that she's much more smart...

Ted probably has a much better education and could regurgitate more facts. They are both smart but he is probably smarter education wise while she has more common sense and a better/stronger political ideology.

In any system, no matter what that system may be, there has to be checks and balances to protect the least of thee.

We've seen how unfettered capitalism worked, or in this case didn't work for the least of us. As such checks and balances were put in place to protect them.

The trend as been working in the opposite direction to the point that many in our nation see it and feel it on a daily basis.

That's what's opened the door for so many far left ideas. Because the checks and balances to help those who work within our society have been eroded.

It has opened the door for the far left to try to swing things in the other direction so widely, that we see unrealistic, extremist ideas becoming more popular.

IMO the far right has brought this on themselves by ignoring to protect and support the lesser income groups of working people in our nation. It has strengthened and emboldened the far left.

Had moderation been employed all along, we wouldn't be seeing what we are now.

I'm not going to go all in defending Ted Cruz, but he's 48 and has been in office for 6 or 7 years and, I'm sure, wakes up every day wondering how he is going to walk the fine line between doing what is right by his party and speaking his mind on Trump...... AOC has been in office for 20 minutes and has had a very large target as an enemy in which to address her frustration, let's see if her political ideology holds up as she is forced to capitulate to what the party demands...

AOC is one of the primary reasons why I will not vote for the Democrat in 2020. She has zero sound policies, she had accomplished zero professionally before entering politics, and she cost her constituency 25,000 jobs that she is heavily criticized for. I applaud Jeff Bezos for exposing and then ruining her.

She has zero chance of keeping her position as a congresswoman in the next election cycle.

She is one of the biggest reasons why Trump will get re-elected.

She has done nothing. - Those of you who seem to think otherwise, please, respond by listing her accomplishments.

I hear she makes a great Long Island Tea.

I said it elsewhere and you chose not to respond ... basing your political / party affiliation based on one or two extremes on either side of the isle is short sighted in my opinion. For every OAC or Dennis Kucinich there is a Roy Moore or David Nunes. Suggesting one side or the other has the worst extrmists or the stupidest members is wrong. I'll be voting based on and for the best of a presidential candidate not the worst in what you see in the fringes.

HA! That is the one skill she has. In all honesty, I would have supported and respected a presidential run by Michelle Obama - a qualified professional. But aoc, is ruining so much of the respect and loyalty the democratic party used to have. I tend to be in the average of just about everything, and if I converted to a Trump supporter because of the new idiots in congress, then I'm sure so many other people have also.

Fair enough, and I apologize for not responding. Then would you agree with me that if the Democrat nominee for president distances himself from aoc and omar, he would gain support from Democrats and Independents?

That's fair. My spectrum looks like this:

Feudalism........Capitalism........ Socialism........ Communism

Yeah, AOC is everything Ted Cruz wishes he was.

I have no idea how one loud mouth congresswoman from an extremely liberal district would have any impact on who one votes for as president. That's like saying you can't vote for Trump because the Republicans ran Roy Moore. Actually, Trump backed Roy Moore. But then they do have a lot in common. I mean I think they've been accused of sexual misconduct by about the same amount of women.

Murica!

I think so. And there are people running for the Democratic nomination whose platform isn't anything close to AOC's views. Both Biden and Mayor Pete are extremely different.

Or isn't their platform enough? Isn't their beliefs enough? Or should we ignore all of that and expect some public statement from them denouncing AOC?

Can you let her get a quarter way through her two year term before passing judgements on her term? Also, I wonder if she'll get another term or if a Democrat will give her a position in their cabinet.

She's as qualified as some of the appointees Trump has in his cabinet. But I certainly expect the bar to be set higher.

Can you list anything she's ever accomplished professionally or as a member of congress? Nothing, yet she's on the home page of so many websites almost daily.

I'm telling you, I'm convinced that yahoo.com and all of these other news outlets are parading her around because they want Trump to get re-elected. To get the level of respect back for the Democratic Party that it was, say, 3 years ago, the leadership needs to distance themselves from her. She's a complete embarrassment. And she needs to figure out how to get those jobs back that she lost her constituency.

What has or had Trump accomplished when he was elected? I only ask so I can laugh at your answer.

No - not at all.

Trump - pre-election - didn't distance himself from David Duke. He said (as POTUS) that there were fine people on both sides of a dispute between white supremacy ralliers and protesters where someone drove a car into the protesters....

You want to vote for Trump but your litmus test for not voting for the Democratic nominee is whether they distance themselves from democratically elected officials? While trump gets to pander and not distance himself from racists? . . . That makes a ton of sense.

"On March 3, Trump said, "David Duke is a bad person, who I disavowed on numerous occasions over the years. ... I disavowed him in the past, I disavow him now"

https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/donald-trump-disavows-david-duke-kkk/


Go ahead, your turn:

No, because I don't know what you mean by accomplishments, but also because expecting accomplishments by a freshman congressman in 5 months is weird. She's been running PR well, has helped the house oversight into focusing on Trump's financial record, and has done her job. One person doesn't make a democracy.

As for Yahoo, they're a News aggregate, not a publisher. The right loves focusing on AOC so everyone focuses on her. Like I said, she's good at PR.

On February 26, 2016, Trump took questions from the media. A reporter asked the emerging Republican frontrunner about an unsolicited endorsement he’d received from former Ku Klux Klan leader, David Duke. Duke had told listeners of his radio show to volunteer for Trump: "You're gonna meet people who are going to have the same kind of mind set that you have." He said: "Voting for these people, voting against Donald Trump at this point, is really treason to your heritage."

Trump wasn’t happy with the question. "I didn't even know he endorsed me. David Duke endorsed me? Alright," Trump shrugged. "I disavow it, okay?"

Trump’s grudging disavowal drew criticism from a wide variety of politicians and civil rights groups, including the the Anti-Defamation League. Two days later, CNN’s Jake Tapper offered Trump a chance to strengthen his half-hearted disavowal. "Will you unequivocally condemn David Duke and say that you don't want his vote and that of other white supremacists in this election?"

Trump didn’t offer an unequivocal condemnation. He didn’t offer condemnation at all. Instead, he responded with a jumble of half-truths, misdirections and Trumpian tropes meant to avoid any such condemnation.


"Well, just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke," Trump said. "I don't even know anything about what you're talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don't know. I don't know—did he endorse me or what's going on? Because, you know, I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists. And so you're asking me a question that I'm supposed to be talking about people that I know nothing about."

https://www.weeklystandard.com/stephen-f-hayes/hayes-why-wont-trump-denounce-white-supremacists

I've also seen Trump claim he didn't know who Duke was ... but your own quote puts that lie to rest. He knew who he was and still tried to be vague and ambiguous initially.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter...-about-former-/

"I don't know any -- honestly, I don't know David Duke. I don't believe I have ever met him. I'm pretty sure I didn't meet him. And I just don't know anything about him."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/david-duke-i-think-trump-knows-who-i-am

In a phone interview with The Daily Beast, the former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard said it was ridiculous to condemn Trump. “If he disavows me fine," Duke said. "Let him do whatever he thinks he needs to do to become president of the United States."

“I think he knows who I am,” Duke said. “But he doesn’t know what I actually stand for today.”

Either way, Trump disassociated himself from Duke but Biden hasn't disassociated himself from aoc. He needs to, or Trump wins in a landslide. Btw, go to yahoo right now and look who's on their front page. She's done nothing but embarrass herself and yahoo knows that. She's going to be a major reason why Trump wins in 2020.

Are you seriously comparing AOC to flippin David Duke? You are a joke.

It seems he is. You can't make this stuff up folks!

Ummm, No. Please check the post above where MGH888 brought David Duke into this.

His exact words: "Trump - pre-election - didn't distance himself from David Duke. He said (as POTUS) that there were fine people on both sides of a dispute between white supremacy ralliers and protesters where someone drove a car into the protesters...."


Apology accepted.

Yet you expect both racists and AOC to be denounced by someone running for president?

I didn't bring David Duke into this, another poster did as I noted above. David Duke's agenda is far different than aoc's - I get that. I don't support either one of them. The point is, I won't support a Democratic presidential nominee until they speak out against aoc's ignorance, and how it's negatively affected her constituency. That's all.

No apology offered!

Own what you say:



That's a comparison.

Wow. So what their policies and beliefs are doesn't really matter. As long as they speak out against AOC. I just can't follow that logic.

smh

OCD’s g/f really gets it ... yup .. she’s BRILLIANT!!

Maybe along the way OCD can mention to her that unless i missed it in the history books NO JEWS trekked 100’s of miles to GET INTO CONCENTRATION CAMPS ..

She’s said some STUPID THINGS since her inauguration and that first bill she signed but this one takes the cake ...

Her ideology consists of three things ...

1. Free
2. FREE
3. FREE

And were the MORONS ... ...

She got the last one right.

You do understand if we're talking about politicians saying stupid things, your boy Donald ranks right up there, right?

We weren't, we were talking about democrats saying stupid things. Feel free to discuss.

NOPE! That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works!

Oh I'll discuss. Nobody that supports Trump has a right to point the finger at any other stupid politicians.

If supporting a stupid politician prevents you from being allowed to point the finger at other stupid politicians, then just shut the forum down now, we are done here.

I do believe that stature has some relevance. OAC is one member of a 435 member government body who was chosen by a single, very liberal district.

One was chosen by an entire party to represent the entire nation.

I think you're "misunderestimating" the difference in gravity of the two distinctly different situations.

My apologies if you thought I was speaking only of AOC, I was speaking much more generally of anybody who supports stupid politicians. AOC hasn't really been in office long enough to establish a track record, yet she still wants a raise.. which is arguably the most "millenial" thing ever.

I don't really disagree with you about her. She's young and a bit foolish but makes for great political theater. Let's face it, these days it really isn't about substance but more about shock value and clicks on the internet.

I think I read somewhere that AOC took all her allotted money and put it in a big pile . She gave all her staff the same amount of pay. How very Socialist of her.......Oh wait, she didn't put her pay in the pot....That would just be stupid.

Perfect is quite the enemy of the good it seems.

Please find it and share with the rest of the class.
I would be interested in reading that.

DD was close to correct, and for all intents and purposes, he was.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/02/ocasiocortez_redistributes_her_staffs_incomes.html

https://www.gobankingrates.com/making-money/jobs/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-goverment-employee-salary/

https://www.theblaze.com/news/ocasio-cor...ill-cap-her-own


And then there's this: She wants an annual $4,500 pay raise for congress. https://ijr.com/ocasio-cortez-thinks-members-of-congress-need-a-pay-raise/

why did you do his work for him?

you weren't asked to provide this data.

Bid deal... AOC has GOPers in a tizzy again. She smiles and they throw a hissy fit.

I made no comment about it. Took me all of 1 minute to find it.

I guess I mistakenly thought you wanted an answer.

now you know better.
I wanted an answer from HIM.

Next time I want anything from you, you'll find it in a PM

*hint* don't hold your breath.

Really?



You posed a question. On a public message board. I answered it, and was honest in saying he didn't have it 100% correct.

I get it - you don't care for me. Fine.

Last year AOC took time from her campaign to visit the southern border...specifically to make a statement on the caged illegal immigrant children. AOC made this crying statement during her photo-op:


Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
‏Verified account @AOC

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Retweeted Ivan Pierre Aguirre

I’ll never forget this, because it was the moment I saw with my own eyes that the America I love was becoming a nation that steals refugee children from their parents,& caged them.

More kids died after this. To date, no one has been held accountable.

We need to save these kids.

One year later...the real photos emerge of the phony photo-op and AOC weeping to an empty parking lot.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/aoc-weeps-o...campaign=buffer

So your take is you hate women politicians especially democrats and we don’t need to fix anything to take care of the kids this administration is killing after kidnapping them away from their parents. Not surprised.

#ReadingComprehension

Between the lines bro. .

Right.

So being upset with what she saw in the parking lot afterward is now against the rules of fair reporting? There is no low too low for GOPers to beat the drums of hate for AOC and women in general. Disgusting.

The point is that THEY can Troll, Use hate speech, Viciously disagree, Insult whoever and whenever they feel like and call the refs on ya but you cant. pffft

Always the victim.

Yeah, don't forget the PROGs beating on the "drums of hate" for Kellyann Conway and Sarah Sanders...and we all witnessed the hate that was displayed for Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann and conservative women in general. Truly disgusting.

Reporting what people actually say isn't hate.

Yea, ok.

I guess you refuse to hear the truth.

Stop already.

Hey it's not their fault. They were paid to spread Trump's lies and stick up for his terrible deeds.

Right on Cue lmao

Always the TROLL among others .

.

Pointing out your obvious shortcomings in comprehending the world around you is not trolling. But in your limited capacity I can see how you might 'reckon' that.

Omg what a FRAUD!! There ya go socialists. Keep being manipulated by a lying fraud. What an embarrassment.

In the business world you can be sued for fraud if you lie to consumers to gain business advantage.

Is it true in politics as well?

Oh HELL no!

They have to lie under oath. Even then when it came to Bill Clinton, he still got away with it. These days they just refuse to testify.

They need to tighten up the rules then.

Because fabricating entire stories to fool voters is heinous.

That's true. The only thing is, what a candidate say they'll do is largely determined on what legislation they can get passed through congress and the senate. That's why I think calling them "campaign promises" is not close to being accurate.

But yes, a lot of flat out lies get told to the voting public. And that isn't a slam towards either side. Both parties are equal opportunity offenders.

Ask your boy Trump.

It's like early dating, they say what they think people want to hear. It's not until your commit that you find out they're a lying POS.

What? We loved Sarah Palin and her boy friends ‘Joe 6 pack’ and ‘Joe the plumber’. They did so much for the Obama administration.

As far as Kellyann and Sarah Sanders are considered here They’re not politicians. They’re controlled by fear of retribution from a corrupt revengeful potus.

And who the hell is Michelle Bachman?

Michelle was a classy lady unlike the dimwitted stooge of Saikat Chakabarti!


Kellyann and Sarah are very good at what they do...Sarah is no longer the Press Secretary yet she speaks very highly of President Trump. Both ladies are a real tribute to conservative women!

I remember Jen Psaki, the communications director for obama (actually liked her)...I don't remember her getting this type of hate from anyone except for the ribbing from the Russians.

You must have missed it, Sarah wasn't a press secretary either. A press secretary holds news conferences.

More proof she gets it ... OCD’s g/f is soooo amusing ... she’s just so cute ... she’s like a “hot” Yoga Berra in a lot of ways ...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-say...lvement-at-g-20

Cause the 29 year old bartender who understands one thing ... free ... FREE .. FREE is clearly qualified to run the country ... i cried for this country at her inagraution and was very sad when she signed her first bill ... ..

Her grasp of economics and what actually happened at concentration camps is second to none ...

And were the suckers ... ...

So is there a picture somewhere of some other woman, who is both hot and cute, doing poses wearing skintight sweatpants with a big rip in them?

A Yoga Berra?

AOC is on point with her criticism of Ivanka.




Look how they treated her.




The world leaders faces say it all.

**Credit to @joevettweets for posting that great meme.**

Did she go stand next to a Barbie for a photo op of her sobbing into her hands?

lol

Look how Bolsonaro treated Trudeau

The guy on the left is Saikat Chakrabarti, AOC's chief of staff... the guy on his shirt is Subhas Chandra Bose... famed Indian nationalist who fought British Colonialism... he did that through escaping to Germany and developing close ties to Adolph Hitler and, to a lesser extent, Imperial Japan in the early 1940s...

I see AOC and now her underlings trigger you. Trump's minions are terrible human beings. Trump also wears fast food grease on his fingers daily, which do you think has harmed more people, this tee shirt or the fast food grease? How about saying something that actually matters...

I bet she's smart enough to know there weren't airports during the Revolutionary War.

J\C Yeah she knows how get her hands on the money already and how to get her colleagues to scare 8 year old girls with arrest for imitating her and her followers to make death threats to children that don't agree with her and get away with it other than that.....

And where did you hear this made up BS from? Are you reading memes from those Russian bots again?

Trump farts in the elevator and you drone on about it for days.. AOC's chief of staff shows reverence for an Indian who openly collaborated with Hitler and Imperialist Japan in 1941.... and you want ME to say something that matters?

I see you don't want to talk about it either.. go back to mocking Trump.

And Republicans have never tried to use power to impose censorship.

Trump mocks himself and his supporters. I just point it out.

PUH-lease! I let 99% of the stupid ass things Trump does/says slide. It just seems like I'm constantly on him because stupid ass things are all he does.

And I could care less what you say or think about some indian that is on his tee shirt that had those interactions back then... He is not AOC, he is not Trump, he is on a tee shirt! I don't know a damn thing about her staffer/chief of staff. I do know I like her and what she does to GOPers. I hope all your daughters turn out just like her.

If people don't point these things out it becomes accepted as normal over time. There's nothing normal about it. People just don't like to hear it and being reminded about it.

Trump economic adviser Larry Kudlow: Hats off to AOC, she 'nailed' her questions to Fed chair

Top White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow applauded Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Thursday for her questions to Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell during a House hearing.

Speaking on "Fox & Friends," the National Economic Council director pointed out that it was Ocasio-Cortez that asked Powell about the Phillips Curve, which theorizes that as the unemployment rate falls, wages rise and thus, inflation accelerates.


Ocasio-Cortez stated to Powell that the theory "is no longer describing what is happening in today's economy," and the chairman agreed.

"It was Ms. AOC who asked him about the Phillips Curve. Why is rising growth and employment and low unemployment bad? Why does that cause inflation and higher interest rates? And Jay Powell said, 'Well you're right. That thing hasn't worked in decades.' Now, I got to give her high marks for that. She got that out of the chairman," Kudlow said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-e...ns-to-fed-chair

Yes Clem, FOX NEWS.

Blind pigs.
Occasional truffles.

Once per quarter doth not responsible reportage make.

Are you referring to her asking intelligent questions... or Fox reporting on it?

Door #2... ftw.

House Dem blasts 'juvenile' Ocasio-Cortez, chief of staff: 'Ignorance is beyond belief'

Rep. William Lacy Clay, D-Mo., added to the mounting Democratic criticism of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., reportedly calling her, her chief of staff, and the group Justice Democrats "juvenile."

"Their ignorance is beyond belief," Clay, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, reportedly said while in the Speaker's Lobby. His comments followed a feud between House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and freshman congresswomen, like Ocasio-Cortez, that involved racially-charged criticism.


Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti, previously compared moderate Democrats to racists -- prompting Pelosi, at the request of some of her members, warn House Democrats not to attack each other on Twitter.

"You got a complaint? You come and talk to me about it. But do not tweet about our members and expect us to think that that is just ok," she reportedly said. On the same day of that caucus meeting, Ocasio-Cortez called out Pelosi for what she sees as the speaker continually targeting her and other freshmen lawmakers of color.

Clay reportedly addressed the racial undertones of the criticisms coming from Ocasio-Cortez's office, saying it was "unbelievable" it would bring up that issue.

“What a weak argument, because you can’t get your way and because you’re getting pushback you resort to using the race card? Unbelievable. That’s unbelievable to me,” Clay reportedly said on Thursday.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrat-blasts-ocasio-cortez-pelosi

Pretty and smart... Did they also agree to that?

This is what happens when there is a reluctant changing of the guard. Pelosi and all the other GOPer lite demosaurs will be gone soon.

Did who agree to what?

Kudlow agreed with AOC as did the Fed Chair.

I think Pelosi was happy that she got AOC to finally read instead of talk all the time.

I was happy to see everyone in agreement for once.

I agree she is pretty.

As will be our beloved Country.

Said every single generation since 1776, as they aged out of usefulness and began soiling themselves over a country that was leaving them to obscurity and obsolescence. This includes your ol' Pappy- as he winced, while handing the country's keys over to you.


But waitaminnit- OCD is talking about the demise of Centrist Dems, and you treat it like the Apocalypse? Since when did you have any love whatsoever for anything blue? Where's your faith that Trumpian GOP Untopia can withstand a threat from a handful of thirtysomething elected kids?

[sing-songy mocking tune] "I'm tellin' Trump on you! I'm tellin Trump on you!"

#whattawimp
#waterymessage

Trumpy and the Republicans are not having a problem with these new progressive Democrats, the Democrats are.

The Dems are at war with one another currently.

I predict the regular Dems and Liberals will squash these Progressive, nutty kids pretty soon.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to be running against Biden in the end.

But please, dream on.

All I'm really saying is this one undeniable truth: sooner or later, everything changes. Always.

An every point you made was correct, true and valid. Doesn't change the march of time. There's no assurance that these nutty kids will get their way now or even 5 years from now. They may never get their way, and be supplanted by some other faction/movement.

But change is inevitable. Get ready. I myself try to stay ready. So even though I'm a ol' fart like you, I'm really not askeered of the future or desperate to keep things the way they are. And I damn sho have no desire to revisit/recreate the past. It's unnatural and antithetical to our evolutionary nature.

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Yea, right, things will change.

I remember being a hippy and all my friends were the same.

Then we grew up, had families, built careers, made money and wanted to keep what we built.

That is when we became Republicans and ushered in Ronald Reagan.

Seems the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Well, I can't speak for you, but there has been enough change in just my lifetime for me to be able to legally vote (and yes- there were people working overtime to keep that from happening).

I've had a satisfying career and successful life because I was could read, and wasn't chained in a field somewhere. Some folks didn't want that to happen before my time here, and enough changed for me to have my shot.

A marriage like mine was illegal- until it wasn't. Ticked people off to no end, but they moved on and got over it. Most of them, that is (those who didn't are now called 'Proud Boys').

GM can get legal cannabis for his medical situation- before, he'd have needed to risk going to jail. People (and elves like Jeff Sessions) were against that, too.


Do you understand what I'm saying now?

Change is inevitable.
No matter what you say or think or feel.

Hey- not all change is bad. Those changes I described have made my life immeasurably better than previous generations, and your life was made none the worse for it.

And not all 'progress' needs to be slapped with a "liberal" label, either. Some stuff just is because: people. He who continually digs in his heels gets dragged whether he likes it or not.

It's called: Real Life.

It's all becoming pretty clear... you are just the mirror image of 40... Your tactics, your style of arguing, it's all exactly the same.... you kiss arse on anything blue and the bluer the better... and he kisses arse on anything Donald Trump... other than that, you are the same person.

And not all change is good.

agreed.

Is there a message behind your statement that press to the current subject matter, or are you simply trying to add balance to the thread?

I don't read his stuff much.

Oh my, I'll just put this article from The Hill, here:


CBC lawmakers rip Justice Democrats for targeting black lawmakers for primaries

By Scott Wong -


07/12/19



Congressional Black Caucus members are furious at Justice Democrats, accusing the outside progressive group aligned with firebrand Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) of trying to oust lawmakers of color, specifically African American lawmakers.

Justice Democrats is backing primary challengers to eight-term Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), a Hispanic Caucus member, and 10-term Rep. Wm. Lacy Clay (D-Mo.), a member of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC). The insurgent group also made noise this year about challenging Democratic Caucus Chairman Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.), a CBC member seen as the heir apparent to Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).


And CBC leaders are fretting that Justice Democrats may target other black lawmakers in the coming weeks and months, including Reps. Yvette Clarke (D-N.Y.), Joyce Beatty (D-Ohio), Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) and Anthony Brown (D-Md.). Brown said the group has been making calls in his district, actively trying to recruit a challenger to run against him — something that Justice Democrats denies.

“It just seems strange that the social Democrats seem to be targeting members of the Congressional Black Caucus, individuals who have stood and fought to make sure that African Americans are included and part of this process,” Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.), a senior CBC member, told The Hill.

“I don’t know what that agenda is, but if they want to come after members of the Black Caucus, it’s two ways,” warned Meeks, the Queens Democratic Party boss who clashed with Justice Democrats in a local district attorney race last month.

Some Democrats are hoping that Ocasio-Cortez, the rabble-rousing freshman with 4.7 million Twitter followers, gets a primary challenge herself in 2020.

Justice Democrats stormed onto the scene last year when one of their little-known handpicked candidates, Ocasio-Cortez, who is Hispanic, unseated then-Rep. Joseph Crowley, the powerful Democratic caucus chairman, in a New York primary.

In a statement, Justice Democrats’ executive director, Alexandra Rojas, defended the group’s strategy, noting that it has endorsed several candidates of color.

One of them is Cori Bush, a registered nurse and Black Lives Matter activist who is taking on Clay for the second time.

“We are supporting a black woman who is a community organizer who has taken on police brutality in the St. Louis area,” Rojas said. “Seventy percent of congressional districts in America have no competitive general election; primaries are often the only places where voters can have a real say.

“Barack Obama first ran for Congress in a primary challenge to Rep. Bobby Rush, a CBC member,” Rojas added. “This is a democracy and voters deserve choices.”

Justice Democrats also pointed out that they endorsed Ayanna Pressley, an African American woman, in her successful primary challenge last year against Democratic Rep. Mike Capuano in a Massachusetts district where minorities make up the majority.


This cycle, Justice Democrats is also supporting Bronx educator Jamaal Bowman, who is black, as he takes on House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.), who is Jewish, and Jessica Cisneros, a 26-year-old Hispanic woman who is running against her former boss, Cuellar.

The CBC’s allegations are “absurd and more about protecting incumbency over democracy,” a Justice Democrats source said.

In the last cycle, Justice Democrats backed American Civil Liberties Union activist Chardo Richardson over Rep. Stephanie Murphy (D-Fla.), who made history as the first Vietnamese American woman elected to Congress. The group in 2018 also endorsed Bush, who eventually lost to Clay by nearly 20 points in the primary. This week, the group said they will back Bush once again as she gives it another shot in Missouri.

In an interview in the Capitol, Clay said it was absolutely clear that Justice Democrats are targeting lawmakers of color like himself. He and his father, Bill Clay, have represented the district for the past 50 years, and Lacy Clay called the group’s actions “insulting” to the intelligence of Missouri voters.

“They are going after the wrong target. Instead of fighting Republicans and defeating Trump and holding on to our majority, they find it convenient to go after their own, which is to me a bunch of B.S.,” Clay told The Hill.

He likened Justice Democrats to “Russian trolls of 2016” trying to sow divisions in the Democratic Party.

“It does make you wonder what’s going on,” added another CBC member, Rep. Robin Kelly (D-Ill.). “Some names that have been mentioned all seem to be people of color, and more so CBC members.”

CBC members and some top Democratic aides have questioned who is pulling the strings at Justice Democrats. The group, which is targeting entrenched incumbent Democrats they view as insufficiently progressive and beholden to corporate donors, was founded in the wake of President Trump’s surprise 2016 victory by progressive media personalities Cenk Uygur and Kyle Kulinski, along with Bernie Sanders organizers Saikat Chakrabarti and Corbin Trent.

Uygur and Kulinski are no longer with the group. And after winning a seat in Congress, Ocasio-Cortez hired Chakrabarti as her chief of staff and Trent as her communications director.

Justice Democrats’ spat with the Black Caucus comes amid high racial tensions in the 235-member House Democratic Caucus. Ocasio-Cortez accused Pelosi of singling out “newly elected women of color” when the Speaker scolded lawmakers in a private meeting Wednesday for tweeting at each other.

Pelosi clarified Thursday that her comments were aimed at Chakrabarti, Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff, who had earlier tweeted that the moderate New Democrats and Blue Dog Coalition should be renamed “The New Southern Democrats.”

“They certainly seem hell bent to do to black and brown people today what the old Southern Democrats did [during] the 40s,” Chakrabarti wrote, later deleting the tweet.

A senior House Democratic aide called it “ironic and funny” that Ocasio-Cortez is accusing Pelosi of attacking women of color, when Justice Democrats is targeting minority lawmakers.

“She’s only a woman of color when it’s convenient. None of the things she’s fought for aligned with communities of color and her group is funded only by elitist white liberals; she’s a puppet,” the top Democratic aide told The Hill in a phone call.

The aide then texted an image of a Goomba puppet from the Super Mario Bros. video game.

“I can’t tell you how pissed off people are” about the Justice Democrats, the aide added. “All these CBC members feel like they are under siege. But it’s offensive that these elitist white liberals feel like they can undermine the foundation of our party,” African American voters.

Trent, Ocasio-Cortez’s now-spokesman, declined to comment for this story.

Top CBC member Meeks now is calling for a meeting between CBC leaders and Justice Democrats to find out why they are targeting lawmakers of color.

“We will have to, at some point, sit down and see: Is this something that is directed at members of the Congressional Black Caucus?” Meeks asked. “We’re going to sit down with whoever the social Dems are. We have to find out who they are. Who is really running this show. We have to figure that out.”

Rep. Donald McEachin (D-Va.), a CBC member, said it was upsetting that Justice Democrats appeared to be taking aim at so many black lawmakers, especially since they have some of the most progressive voting records in the caucus.

“I think challenging other Democrats in the primary when we’re trying to hold on to the majority is wrong unless the person is so far out of bounds, so far away from Democratic orthodoxy, but that’s not what’s going on here,” McEachin told The Hill.

“It’s disturbing to see challenges to that many CBC members.”


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/45...ck?userid=73932

More the latter. Like you, I have seen my share of change in my days.. societal as well as personal.... much of it good, but certainly not all of it good... and I have viewed that change from a completely different perspective than the way you have viewed the change... because of our different backgrounds, that's inevitable.

I think that is the biggest thing I've learned as I have grown and matured, is to appreciate the differing perspectives on change. I will openly admit that some of the change I look back on now as very positive change, I wasn't 100% in favor of at the time... I was wrong then.. so I try to leave open the possibility that I might be wrong now when I try to fight change... so I've learned to listen and get out of my own echo chamber and hear others with a different perspective.

I read that article about the Justice dems. At first I was wondering why they were targeting the CBC and if it was racially motivated. Turns out they are backing many POC to run against what they perceive to be establishment dems. Just progressives taking over your government, nothing to see here...

Don't know anything about the guy who made this video but here it is anyway:

After all It’s the trump era!

My faith is in the fact we are witnessing the implosion of the Democrat Party and that is not good for America.

Another 40¢ post, responding to some trifle I blithely tossed off- what? ... two days ago?


Apparently, your headspace is available to me rent-free, 24/7... seeing as how I moved on from this subject long ago, yet your space remains vacant/vacuous, following my departure.


So, thanks.
I think I'll keep you around as surplus storage for my 'disposable thought stream.'

It's nice that I never have to pay a monthly fee.

I watched the video more because I have seen very little of AOC than anything. I thought she was eloquent and framed the argument well. I skipped through the guy at the end - but his comments about the rest of the 1st world having socialized medicine... well I've been saying that forever.

Here you are again confusing your fantasies for reality. The dems might infight and revolt and remake themselves... but they are not the imploding party by a long long long damn shot. When the light of reality finally pierces your blinders, I hope you will be able to live with Trump's destruction of the GOP and American democracy for the 4 or 8 years YOU and YOUR KIND have given him. Because when he is finally gone, it will be y'all paying the price, living with the shame, scrambling to hold on and find a place for yourselves in the real world. A world forever altered for the worse by your man crush.

I hate this twitter post with a passion. Fire emojis, SAVAGE, EVISCERATED, Literally and completely! I really do hate how the right has adopted this "Hello fellow kids" mindset on social media. I digress.

She was not prepared for that response.

She seemed pretty damn well prepared to me. I think he gave responses that have already been seen numerous times. She redirected him to her point time and again, she moved on when he kept dodging. She handled it just fine.

You're so sunny you have been accused of global warning.

The only way trump leaves the WH is in a box. Democracy is dead in the USA. And the MAGAtards own it. Welcome to the new normal. Dictatorship.

You seriously believe that? If so, seek help.

I am one of the biggest Trump supporters on these boards and even I would fight against a Dictatorship!

First however, I must fight against your Socialism.

American Democracy First!

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ok bro. That ship already sailed. Don’t believe it, just watch.

And besides declaring a fight against a society that has empathy and is kind and caring is a dictation to create an evil society. A dictatorship. Enjoy.

Empathy and caring are fine but it is your socialist economic policies that should frighten us all.

Yep - because all the other 1st world countries in the world with "Socialist" economic policies like free healthcare .... you know the ones, with healthcare ranked ahead of the USA, countries that are ranked ahead of the USA in the 'Best places to live' lists .... yep, those countries are all such terrible places right? SMH.

And the continuous divisiveness, hate, bigotry, and malice that it takes to author tweets like this daily does not frighten you at all? smh

.

j/c:

And telling American citizens to "go back to where they came from because their countries need them" when they were born in America means you helped elect a racist moron.

I'm sure those who voted for Trump for "telling it like it is" will be by soon to tell you what he meant.

Like when he's talking about the countries they came from he actually means their districts. Because you know, their congressional districts aren't in America.

We've already seen that stupidity posted.

Both of these things can be very bad.

And don't refer to me electing a racist moron, as I didn't vote for him. But kudos to you for addressing the article.

You're welcome.

I'll respond to your article which is just an opinion piece with another I read yesterday at about the same time I saw the one you posted.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2...umn/1715320001/

After reading both, I decided neither was worth posting because the opposing views don't merit discussion when weighed against the distraction from addressing the much more important racists tweets that Trump posted.

And while we're on the topic of AOC going back to her country... isn't she of Puerto Rican descent? Last I knew Puerto Rico is part of the US.

She was born in the Bronx. Last time I checked that was in the United States. Unless Trump has expelled every state from the country that voted for Hillary and nobody told me.

I watched that C-Span video that "Benny Johnson" tweets about and to be honest, I think his assessment is way overblown. She doesn't get "embarrassingly destroyed". The clip is cut before we can truly see where it goes and how it ends. So, in my opinion it's a soundbyte taken out of context and manipulated to suit the conservative media's unhealthy, and quite frankly weird, obsession they have with AOC.

I'm talking about her ethnic heritage. I know she was born and raise in NYC.

I agree.

Used to be both sides would claim victory in any kind of confrontation like this... with both sides saying their points were more valid, their side was better prepared, blahblahblah..

Now that's not enough, people tweet about these things with all of the enthusiasm of a WWE announcer.. It's not enough to say you got the better of the situation, it has to be a beat down, eviscerated, destroyed, taken behind the woodshed...

I agree. I think that is a symptom caused by the explosion of social media as a primary source of news and communication. And I'm not sure that genie will ever be put back into the bottle.

I doubt it will. As long as people are getting paid based on click-count or on number of followers.... and followers tend to click on dramatic headlines... there is no incentive to use more reasonable language..

don't forget one of my faves: disemboweled.

I agree that social media doesn't help and definitely aggravated the situation to where we are now. However, I would also say 24 hour news + the popularity of reality tv is probably the root of the problem. 24 hour news because they have to keep people's attention 24/7 and bad news sells. Reality TV because the shows are so dull people tune in just to watch drama erupt between the contestants or for folks to be nasty and horrible to one another.

Unless of course we are talking the 'Great British Bake Off' where it's popularity came out of nowhere because even though it's all a bit twee, people found it refreshing that everybody was so nice and supportive.

I can't stand reality TV. You have to be damn near brian dead like it IMHO. At first it was novel and I liked shows like survivor and the amazing race. Hell I even liked the first couple of seasons of the celebrity apprentice... But then shows like big brother, MTV's real life(?), and the various love connection shows quickly turned me off.

24 hour news never bothered me much because I only tuned in for an hour at a time. As soon as they started repeating reports on the same subjects I turned the channel. But now it's like reality TV.

So I agree 100% that they are a symptom of the times too. However, I think social media is the true heavy hitter.

Nothing in there I don't agree with.

In fact I find a lot of irony in the fact that we have a generation of young people (my daughter included) whose favorite saying if you are ever critical of her is "don't judge me"... yet so many of them (and older folks) seem to love shows where everybody is nasty, backstabbing, and judgmental of everybody else...

I mean, you had apprentice, where the goal was to win as a team, which is good... but you had to make sure everybody viewed YOU as the main reason you won...

then you have Big Brother, where the goal of the game is to literally lie to everybody, build fake alliances, stab each other in the back when you get the chance, and be the last person standing...

They are on because they are popular.... my question is, why are they popular?

Because people are no damned good... and they're also intellectually lazy. Dangle something shiny in front of them, you can entertain them for hours.

Wait 'til you see the trailers for CBS' "Love Island."
TV's now been dumbed down to the level of entertaining rocks perched upon couches.

I despise regular TV. I only watched Game of Thrones, but it's over. I watch sports and some movies that I rent or buy. That's about it.

It's much too ignorant, even for a dummy like me.

The brits make some good TV shows, and there are a few things worth watching on cable, netflix, or amazon but quality shows are far and few between these days. I still pay for directv just so I can see the browns play mostly. The rest of the year I could go without it and watch anything I want online or from a streaming service.

And just for the record, I don't think you are dumb by a long shot. I actually like you, we just don't play well together for long periods without some friction here and there.

AOC Schools Fox News

I think even the rocks will change the channel.

Those stupid couches will sit there in front of it though...

It seems AOC has a challenger come 2020.



Nothing of real substance in the video as it's simply promotional & I'm guessing she is a longshot but I'll get the popcorn ready.

That's the third GOP challenger she has I think. She's so popular I doubt they stand a chance in NYC. But if they think they can do better they should run, that's how it works.

One thing I would like to point out is that in post #1639470 above I posted a video that shows her stand against Amazon wasn't bad afterall. Amazon did not locate their HQ2 there, didn't get $3Bil in tax incentives, yet silently set up offices and will be hiring staff there anyway... So I don't see how her standing up to corporate socialism/welfare is considered a bad thing.

A glass of water with a D beside it could win in her district.

I know, she defeated one and he was the #3 or #4 ranked Dem.

If Dollar General ever runs out of red lipstick she will be in trouble.

BAAM!

But she sure is fine wearing it.

She's politician hot.. that's kind of like being engineering hot.. there are so few decent looking women in that circle that being interestingly pretty elevates you above everybody else.. Put them in a room with women who are SERIOUSLY HOT.. and she wouldn't get noticed.

Agree, shes like a 4, that's surround by 1's. It makes her look like an 8.

Conversely, I am 2, surrounded by 5's, which makes me a -3

You rate them with numbers?
How mature.
How very 'Trump' of you.

p.s. I got the joke

Nobody can hold a candle to my Nancy Pelosi tho.

Whats even funnier is you cant tell if I was rating her looks or intellect

with you, it's a coin toss either way...

She's Sara Palin hot.

And both of them have that annoying voice.

Yes Nancy is very hot. But what about Mad Maxine.

When she's wearing her glasses she has that librarian/teacher sexy thing going for her. And that smile is what makes her stand out more than anything.

Ditzy hot? Like she's wide awake but blacked blacked out and still partying? I don't see that.

I knew you had a thing for Maxine. 40's into depends.

There is something deeply disturbing where this thread has gone. But after all it is the trump era and this stuff is all normalized again, so have at it boys.

She is as ugly as she is stupid.

Me m'self- I've always had a thang for My Girl Cankles (Clinton)...


yumm, yumm...

I'm sorry it bothers you that I think both of their voices are annoying.

Louisiana police officer's Facebook post says Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 'needs a round,' report says

https://www.yahoo.com/news/louisiana-police-officers-facebook-post-133040139.html

obviously another trustworthy law enforcement officer.

Now that is something I can grasp.

What is the problem with a round of beers?

I take it he wasn't talking about beer or tequila?

The officer, Charlie Rispoli, a 14-year veteran of the Gretna, Louisiana police force, called Ocasio-Cortez a "vile idiot" who "needs a round, and I don't mean the kind she used to serve," alluding to her past job as a bartender.....

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/07...-shot/23775501/

It was more of a rhetorical question but thanks...

I disagree with a lot of what AOC says.. but there is only one vile idiot in this story and it's not her.

We're pretty much in the same boat here. I would venture to say I probably agree with more of what she says than you do, but that's beside the point.

I also would never tell someone whose political views I disagree with to, "Go back to where you came from".

He was fired today along with a second officer who “liked” the post

That's a start. Now charge him for his threat of violence on a government official.

Trump turning this country into 4chan.

And his supporters should all join QAnon.

kinda rhymes with taliban.