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Posted By: mac How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 11/24/19 03:39 PM
How the GOP Became the Party of Putin


Republicans have sold their souls to Russia. And Trump isn’t the only reason why.

By JAMES KIRCHICK July 18, 2017
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James Kirchick, a visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution, is author of The End of Europe: Dictators, Demagogues and the Coming Dark Age. This article is a co-publication with Eurozine.

“Would somebody please help me out here: I’m confused,” read the email to me from a conservative Republican activist and donor. “The Russians are alleged to have interfered in the 2016 election by hacking into Dem party servers that were inadequately protected, some being kept in Hillary’s basement and finding emails that were actually written by members of the Clinton campaign and releasing those emails so that they could be read by the American people who what, didn’t have the right to read these emails? And this is bad? Shouldn’t we be thanking the Russians for making the election more transparent?”

Put aside the factual inaccuracies in this missive (it was not Hillary Clinton’s controversial private server the Russians are alleged to have hacked, despite Donald Trump’s explicit pleading with them to do so, but rather those of the Democratic National Committee and her campaign chairman, John Podesta). Here, laid bare, are the impulses of a large swathe of today’s Republican Party. In any other era, our political leaders would be aghast at the rank opportunism, moral flippancy and borderline treasonous instincts on display.

Instead, we get this from the president of the United States, explaining away his son’s encounter with Russian operatives who were advertised as working on behalf of the Kremlin: “Most politicians would have gone to a meeting like the one Don jr attended in order to get info on an opponent. That’s politics!” And from elected Republicans, we get mostly silence—or embarrassing excuses.

Never mind that Trump Jr. initially said the meeting was about adoption, not a Russian offer of “ultra sensitive” dirt on Hillary Clinton. We’ve gone from the Trump team saying they never even met with Russians to the president himself now essentially saying: So what if we did?

None of this should surprise anyone who paid attention during last year’s campaign. Trump Sr., after all, explicitly implored Russia to hack Clinton’s private email server. He ran as the most pro-Russian candidate for president since Henry Wallace helmed the Soviet fellow-traveling Progressive Party ticket in 1948, extolling Vladimir Putin’s manly virtues at every opportunity while bringing Kremlin-style moral relativism to the campaign trail. Worst of all, GOP voters never punished him for it. This is what they voted for.

Nor was Trump Jr. the only Republican to seek Russian assistance against Clinton. In May, the Wall Street Journal reported that a Florida Republican operative sought and received hacked Democratic Party voter-turnout analyses from “Guccifer 2.0,” a hacker the U.S. government has said is working for Russia’s intelligence services. The Journal has also reported that Republican operative Peter W. Smith, who is now deceased, “mounted an independent campaign to obtain emails he believed were stolen from Hillary Clinton’s private server, likely by Russian hackers.”

Amid a raft of congressional and law enforcement probes into Russian meddling during the 2016 presidential election, it’s still unclear whether members of Trump’s campaign actively colluded with Moscow. But we now know that they had no problem accepting the Kremlin’s help—in fact, Trump Jr. professes disappointment that his Russian interlocutors didn’t deliver the goods. Forty-eight percent of Republicans, meanwhile, think Don Jr. was right to take the meeting. During the campaign, as operatives linked to Russian intelligence dumped hacked emails onto the internet, few Republicans stood on principle, like Florida Senator Marco Rubio, and condemned their provenance. “I will not discuss any issue that has become public solely on the basis of WikiLeaks,” Rubio said at the time. And he issued a stark warning to members of his party who were looking to take advantage of Clinton’s misfortune: “Today it is the Democrats. Tomorrow it could be us.”

Unfortunately, the vast majority of Rubio’s GOP colleagues completely ignored his counsel. Suddenly, Republican leaders and conservative media figures who not long ago were demanding prison time (or worse) for Julian Assange were praising the Australian anarchist to the skies. Every morsel in the DNC and Podesta emails, no matter how innocuous, was pored over and exaggerated to maximum effect. Republican politicians and their allies in the conservative media behaved exactly as the Kremlin intended. The derivation of the emails (stolen by Russian hackers) and the purpose of their dissemination (to sow dissension among the American body politic) have either been ignored, or, in the case of my conservative interlocutor, ludicrously held up as an example of Russian altruism meant to save American democracy from the perfidious Clinton clan.

Contrast Rubio’s principled stand with that of current CIA Director Mike Pompeo, who, while now appropriately calling WikiLeaks a “hostile intelligence service” that “overwhelmingly focuses on the United States while seeking support from antidemocratic countries,” was more than happy to retail its ill-gotten gains during the campaign. Today, just one-third of Republican voters even believe the intelligence community findings that Russia interfered in the 2016 election, no doubt influenced by the president’s equivocations on the matter.

I was no fan of Barack Obama’s foreign policy. I criticized his Russian “reset,” his Iran nuclear deal, his opening to Cuba, even his handling of political conflict in Honduras. For the past four years, I worked at a think tank, the Foreign Policy Initiative, that was bankrolled by Republican donors and regularly criticized the Obama administration. Anyone who’s followed my writing knows I’ve infuriated liberals and Democrats plenty over the years, and I have the metaphorical scars to prove it.

What I never expected was that the Republican Party—which once stood for a muscular, moralistic approach to the world, and which helped bring down the Soviet Union—would become a willing accomplice of what the previous Republican presidential nominee rightly called our No. 1 geopolitical foe: Vladimir Putin’s Russia. My message for today’s GOP is to paraphrase Barack Obama when he mocked Romney for saying precisely that: 2012 called—it wants its foreign policy back.

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I should not have been surprised. I’ve been following Russia’s cultivation of the American right for years, long before it became a popular subject, and I have been amazed at just how deep and effective the campaign to shift conservative views on Russia has been. Four years ago, I began writing a series of articles about the growing sympathy for Russia among some American conservatives. Back then, the Putin fan club was limited to seemingly fringe figures like Pat Buchanan (“Is Vladimir Putin a paleoconservative?” he asked, answering in the affirmative), a bunch of cranks organized around the Ron Paul Institute and some anti-gay marriage bitter-enders so resentful at their domestic political loss they would ally themselves with an authoritarian regime that not so long ago they would have condemned for exporting “godless communism.”

Today, these figures are no longer on the fringe of GOP politics. According to a Morning Consult-Politico poll from May, an astonishing 49 percent of Republicans consider Russia an ally. Favorable views of Putin – a career KGB officer who hates America – have nearly tripled among Republicans in the past two years, with 32 percent expressing a positive opinion.

It would be a mistake to attribute this shift solely to Trump and his odd solicitousness toward Moscow. Russia has been targeting the American right since at least 2013, the year Putin enacted a law targeting pro-gay rights organizing and delivered a state-of-the-nation address extolling Russia’s “traditional values” and assailing the West’s “genderless and infertile” liberalism. That same year, a Kremlin-connected think tank released a report entitled, “Putin: World Conservativism’s New Leader.” In 2015, Russia hosted a delegation from the National Rifle Association, one of America’s most influential conservative lobby groups, which included David Keene, then-president of the NRA and now editor of the Washington Times editorial page, which regularly features voices calling for a friendlier relationship with Moscow. (It should be noted here that Russia, a country run by its security services where the leader recently created a 400,000-strong praetorian guard, doesn’t exactly embrace the individual right to bear arms.) A recent investigation by Politico Magazine, meanwhile, revealed how Russian intelligence services have been using the internet and social networks to target another redoubt of American conservativism: the military community.

Today, it’s hard to judge this Russian effort as anything other than a smashing success. Turn on Fox News and you will come across the network’s most popular star, Sean Hannity, citing WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange as a reliable source of information or retailing Russian disinformation such as the conspiracy theory that murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich—who police say was killed during a robbery attempt—was the source of last summer’s leaks, not Russian hackers. Fox’s rising star Tucker Carlson regularly uses his time slot to ridicule the entire Russian meddling scandal and portray Putin critics as bloodthirsty warmongers. On Monday night, he went so far as to give a platform to fringe leftist Max Blumenthal — author of a book comparing Israel to the Third Reich and a vocal supporter of the Assad regime in Syria — to assail the “bootlicking press” for reporting on Trump’s Russia ties. (When Blumenthal alleged that the entire Russia scandal was really just a militarist pretext for NATO enlargement, Carlson flippantly raised the prospect of his son having to fight a war against Russia, as he did in a contentious exchange earlier this year with Russian dissident Garry Kasparov. At the time, I asked Carlson if his son serves in the military. He didn’t respond).

Meanwhile the Heritage Foundation, one of Washington’s most influential conservative think tanks and a former bastion of Cold War hawkishness, has enlisted itself in the campaign against George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist whose work promoting democracy and good governance in the former Soviet space has made him one of the Kremlin’s main whipping boys.

And it’s not just conservative political operatives and media hacks who have come around on Russia. Pro-Putin feelings are now being elucidated by some conservative intellectuals as well. Echoing Kremlin complaints that Russia is a country which has been “frequently humiliated, robbed, and misled” – a self-pitying justification for Russian aggression throughout history – Weekly Standard senior editor Christopher Caldwell extolls Putin as “the pre-eminent statesman of our time.”

How did the party of Ronald Reagan’s moral clarity morph into that of Donald Trump’s moral vacuity? Russia’s intelligence operatives are among the world’s best. I believe they made a keen study of the American political scene and realized that, during the Obama years, the conservative movement had become ripe for manipulation. Long gone was its principled opposition to the “evil empire.” What was left was an intellectually and morally desiccated carcass populated by con artists, opportunists, entertainers and grifters operating massively profitable book publishers, radio empires, websites, and a TV network whose stock-in-trade are not ideas but resentments. If a political officer at the Russian Embassy in Washington visited the zoo that is the annual Conservative Political Action Conference, they’d see a “movement” that embraces a ludicrous performance artist like Milo Yiannopoulos as some sort of intellectual heavyweight. When conservative bloggers are willing to accept hundreds of thousands of dollars from Malaysia’s authoritarian government to launch a smear campaign against a democratic opposition leader they know nothing about, how much of a jump is it to line up and defend what at the very least was attempted collusion on the part of a brain-dead dauphin like Donald Trump Jr.?

Surveying this lamentable scene, why wouldn't Russia try to “turn” the American right, whose ethical rot necessarily precedes its rank unscrupulousness? It is this ethical rot that allows Dennis Prager, one of the right’s more unctuous professional moralists, to opine with a straight face that “The news media in the West pose a far greater danger to Western civilization than Russia does.” Why wouldn’t a “religious right” that embraced a boastfully immoral charlatan like Donald Trump not turn a blind eye toward—or, in the case of Franklin Graham, embrace—an oppressive regime like that ruling Russia? American conservatism is no better encapsulated today than by the self-satisfied, smirking mug of Carlson, the living embodiment of what Lionel Trilling meant when he wrote that the “conservative impulse” is defined by “irritable mental gestures which seek to resemble ideas.”

The entire Trump-Russia saga strikes at a deeper issue which most Republicans have shown little care in examining: What is it about Donald Trump that attracted the Kremlin so?

Such an effort would be like staging an intervention for a drunk and abusive family member: painful but necessary. One would have thought a U.S. intelligence community assessment concluding that the Russians preferred their party’s nominee over Hillary Clinton would have introduced a bit of introspection on the right. Moments for such soul-searching had arrived much earlier, however, like when Trump hired a former advisor to the corrupt, pro-Russian president of Ukraine as his campaign manager last summer. Or when he praised Putin on “Morning Joe” in December of 2015. Republicans ought to have considered how an “America First” foreign policy, despite its promises to build up the military and “bomb the [censored] out of” ISIS, might actually be more attractive to Moscow than the warts-and-all liberal internationalism of the Democratic nominee, who, whatever her faults, has never called into question the very existence of institutions like the European Union and NATO, pillars of the transatlantic democratic alliance. Now that he’s president, Trump’s fitful behavior, alienating close allies like Britain and Germany, ought give Republicans pause about how closely the president’s actions accord with Russian objectives.

But alas there has been no such reckoning within the party of Reagan. Instead, the Russia scandal has incurred a wrathful defensiveness among conservatives, who are reaching for anything – paranoid attacks on the so-called American “deep state,” allegations of conspiracy among Obama administration holdovers – to distract attention from the very grave reality of Russian active measures. To be sure, the Republican Congress, at least on paper, remains hawkish on the Kremlin, as evidenced by the recent 98-2 Senate vote to increase sanctions against Russia for its election meddling and other offenses. But in no way can they be said anymore to represent the GOP party base, which has been led to believe by the president and his allies in the pro-Trump media that “the Russia story” is a giant hoax. It wasn’t long ago that the GOP used to mock Democratic presidential candidates for supposedly winning “endorsements” from foreign adversaries, like when a Hamas official said he “liked” Barack Obama in 2008. Today, most Republicans evince no shame in the fact that their candidate was the clearly expressed preference of a murderous thug like Vladimir Putin.

If Republicans put country before party, they would want to know what the Russians did, why they did it and how to prevent it from happening again. But that, of course, would raise questions implicating Donald Trump and all those who have enabled him, questions that most Republicans prefer to remain unanswered.
Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 11/24/19 05:21 PM
This article, written by a REPUBLICAN...so don't try to use, oh look at the source excuse.

The bottom line for all that is happening in D.C...Putin and the Russians are doing all they can to leverage Trump and to influence Americans, presenting a false sense that Russia is harmless.

How many Republicans believe Russia is harmless?

How many Republicans understand what Putin's goal is as leader of Russia?

At the least, Putin wants to rearrange the world order with Russia being a dominate force of the world.

Those of you who believe Russia is your friend...you better start educating yourselves.

There is likely a Russian nuke aimed right at you...

Putin is not a nice guy and he is not an ally or friend to America.
Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 11/26/19 12:44 PM
How many Republicans are helping to spread Russian disinformation?

Here's one of them...


GOP Sen. Kennedy Backtracks On Crowdstrike-Ukraine 2016 Theory: "I Was Wrong"

Posted By Ian Schwartz
On Date November 25, 2019
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CNN: Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) backtracked on claims he made on FOX News that no one can be sure it was only Russia who tried to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, saying he misunderstood the question and that he sees no evidence that Ukraine hacked the DNC server.

"Senator Kennedy, who do you believe was responsible for hacking the DNC and Clinton campaign computers, their emails? Was it Russia or Ukraine?" 'FOX News Sunday' host Chris Wallace asked the Senator.

"I don't know, nor do you, nor do any others," Kennedy said Sunday.



Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 11/26/19 01:29 PM
How many more of our GOP Reps and Senators are supporting Trump's Pro Russia/Putan agenda?

A couple?...Ten...TWENTY?

We don't know !

The American people might be shocked to learn that within our government, there are government officials helping to push the Putin/Russia agenda.

Who are they?

I have my suspicions...
Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 11/26/19 01:33 PM


GOP senators visited Moscow on July 4, warned Russia against meddling in 2018 election: report


BY EMILY BIRNBAUM - 07/05/18 06:57 PM EDT
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A group of GOP lawmakers spent July 4 in Moscow after several days of meetings with Russian officials, according to NPR.

The group, which included seven Republican senators and one House member, was the first congressional delegation to visit Russia since the country’s annexation of Crimea in 2014.

The GOP lawmakers, Sen. Richard Shelby (Ala.), Steve Daines (Mont.), John Thune (S.D.), John Kennedy (La.), Jerry Moran (Kan.) and John Hoeven (N.D.), and Rep. Kay Granger (R-Texas), spent July 4 in Moscow’s U.S. Embassy, NPR reported.

The trip comes amid bilateral planning between the U.S. and Russia for next month’s sit-down between President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Trump has said he will address Russian influence in the 2016 presidential election at the summit, in addition to Russia's military involvement in Syria and Ukraine.

The lawmakers reportedly discussed Russian influence in U.S. elections during their meetings over the past week, but Moran told The Associated Press that every Russian official they spoke to denied the Kremlin's involvement.

The group’s visit coincided with the release of a Senate Intelligence Committee report, which found that Russia backed Trump during the election.

The report, released Tuesday, confirmed conclusions by the U.S. intelligence community that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help Trump win the White House.

“I think it’s a given in the United States, in both parties, that Russia tried to meddle and probably did meddle in the election,” Shelby told the AP.

The lawmakers did not meet with Putin, but offered a warning for Russia against meddling in the 2018 U.S. elections.

“We made the point that if Russia persists in trying to influence our elections, it's going to be very difficult, if not impossible, for us to establish a better relationship,” Kennedy said to NPR.

“We didn't come here to say, what you've been doing is great, and we're going to look the other way,” Shelby told NPR. “We came here to talk candidly and honestly. The Russians can earn a better relationship with the U.S. if they want to.”
Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 11/26/19 01:59 PM
Included in this story, the information that those named warned Russia/Putin about interfering in the 2018 election.

That is exactly what I would expect from any American elected official visiting Russia at that time (July 2018). Stay out of our elections...

But, just over year later, we have one of the same group of Senators, ignoring American intell reports and pushing the false narrative that the Ukraine hacked the DNC computers, not Russia.

How does this happen...such a change in the beliefs of this one Senator?

Who knows who or what is happening in the back rooms and alleys to turn guys like Kennedy and Graham into lap dogs?... I don't see Trump's charisma or character being the answer that full grown men fawn over him like submissive well beaten eunuch fools.
Originally Posted By: mac
Included in this story, the information that those named warned Russia/Putin about interfering in the 2018 election.

That is exactly what I would expect from any American elected official visiting Russia at that time (July 2018). Stay out of our elections...

But, just over year later, we have one of the same group of Senators, ignoring American intell reports and pushing the false narrative that the Ukraine hacked the DNC computers, not Russia.

How does this happen...such a change in the beliefs of this one Senator?




Maybe Epstein, before his ‘suicide’, handed his buddy trump his list of pedophiles....?
Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 11/26/19 10:49 PM




Accused Sex Trafficker Jeffrey Epstein’s Political Connections: A Guide

From Donald Trump to Alan Dershowitz, billionaire Jeffrey Epstein is connected to some of the most powerful men in the country — but what did they know?

By EJ DICKSON
JULY 9, 2019 8:17AM ET
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On Saturday night, shortly after billionaire Jeffrey Epstein was arrested at Teterboro Airport on charges of sex trafficking and sex trafficking conspiracy, Christine Pelosi, a DNC official and the daughter of Nancy Pelosi, tweeted that the arrest would possibly implicate a number of Epstein’s powerful friends on both sides of the political spectrum — except she didn’t quite put it that way. “It is quite likely that some of our faves are implicated but we must follow the facts and let the chips fall where they may — whether on Republicans or Democrats,” she wrote on Twitter.

Because Epstein is being charged with sex trafficking and sex trafficking conspiracy, with prosecutors alleging that he built a network of girls as young as 14 to satisfy his sexual needs, Pelosi’s phrasing was interpreted as more than a bit flip. But whether they qualify as “faves” or not, it’s certainly true that many prominent political and entertainment figures have deeply entrenched connections to Epstein. By his own admission, Epstein actively cultivated such high-profile friends, telling a New York magazine reporter in 2002, “I invest in people — be it politics or science. It’s what I do.”

To be clear, none of these individuals have faced criminal charges, and they are not implicated in the most recent indictment. Yet on social media, there has been a great deal of speculation as to whether they will be, as well as whether any of them — most notably, current U.S. Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta, whose approval of a 2007 sweetheart deal landing Epstein a 13-month prison sentence for sex abuse charges prompted the hashtag #AcostaResign — helped the hedge fund manager and philanthropist avoid facing consequences for his alleged crimes for so long.

The fact that the Epstein case is being handled by the public corruption unit “does beg some questions” as to whether anyone involved in the Trump administration or any other “public officials engaged in business dealings with Epstein” will be implicated in the case, says Duncan Levin, a former federal prosecutor in the Eastern District, tells Rolling Stone. (He has no direct association with this case.) At this point, “we just don’t know” whether anyone else will be implicated at any future point.

Here’s a guide to the famous men who have been linked to him, which we will update throughout our coverage of his case.

Donald Trump

The most notable person to be associated with Jeffrey Epstein is President Donald Trump, who was photographed with Epstein at Mar-a-Lago in 1997 and again in 2000 with wife Melania and Epstein’s partner, British media mogul heir Ghislaine Maxwell. In fact, in the aforementioned 2002 New York Magazine profile of Epstein, Trump crowed about his friend and touted his fondness for younger women: “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Trump said at the time. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

Most recently, the Trump administration drew intense scrutiny when the Miami Herald reported on the allegations against Epstein, identifying nearly 80 women and girls who had accused him of sexual abuse. It also reported on a plea agreement the then-Florida U.S. attorney (now-U.S. labor secretary) Alexander Acosta secretly made with Epstein nearly 11 years ago, when Epstein was hit with prostitution charges. In exchange for pleading guilty to charges of solicitation of a minor in 2007, Epstein was required to serve a paltry 13 months in prison — a sentence he in part served out in the comfort of his cushy Palm Beach office on a work-release agreement he made with Acosta.

Following massive public outrage over the details of the plea agreement, the White House attempted to distance the president from Epstein by denying the two had a social relationship, and former White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders vowed that the administration would be looking into the details of the arrangement Acosta made with Epstein. But court documents from a civil suit filed by one of Epstein’s accusers, a woman named Virginia Giuffre, allege that Giuffre was recruited by Maxwell to have sex with Epstein and his high-powered friends when she was just 15 and employed as a towel girl at Mar-a-Lago. Bradley Edwards, a legal representative for many of Epstein’s accusers in civil court, has also alleged that Epstein was banned from Mar-a-Lago after he was accused of sexually assaulting a young girl at a club, though neither Mar-a-Lago nor the Trump Administration have confirmed this. As for Acosta, he still remains employed by the White House.

Bill Clinton

In addition to Trump, one of the most high-powered political figures linked to Epstein is former President Bill Clinton, who reportedly appeared 26 times on flight manifests for Epstein’s private Boeing 747 between 2001 and 2003. In 2002, according to flight records, Epstein, Clinton, and actors Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker flew on his private jet on a trip to Africa. In addition to allegedly taking multiple trips on Epstein’s private plane, Clinton was also a recipient of Epstein’s financial largesse, with the hedge fund manager making repeated donations to the Clinton Foundation. In a statement to New York Magazine in 2002, Clinton referred to Epstein as “a highly successful financier and a committed philanthropist with a keen sense of global markets and an in-depth knowledge of twenty-first-century science.” However, in a statement to the magazine this week, he claimed that he was only on the plane four times — all for official Clinton Foundation business — and denied any knowledge of Epstein’s “terrible crimes… which he pleaded guilty to in Florida some years ago, or those with which he has been recently charged in New York.”

Alan Dershowitz

The high-powered attorney and former member of O.J. Simpson’s defense team represented Epstein in the 2007 case against him and helped broker his plea agreement — which, notably, provided immunity to all “potential co-conspirators.” Dershowitz was also explicitly named in Giuffre’s civil suit, with the lawsuit alleging that the 80-year-old lawyer “was Epstein’s attorney, close friend, and co-conspirator. Dershowitz was also a participant in sex trafficking, including as one of the men to whom Epstein lent out Plaintiff for sex.” A second alleged Epstein victim, a woman named Sarah Ransome, also named Dershowitz in a civil suit against Epstein and his partner Maxwell, alleging that she was instructed by Maxwell and Epstein to have sex with Dershowitz. Dershowitz has repeatedly and publicly denied the allegations, calling Giuffre and Ransome “liars,” prompting Giuffre to file a defamation lawsuit against him back in April.


Woody Allen

Allen was a guest at a party Epstein threw for Prince Andrew in 2010; he also was named in a 2011 Daily Beast story as one of a handful of celebrity friends who stood by Epstein following his sexual abuse conviction, including George Stephanopolous, Katie Couric, and Chelsea Handler. Allen was photographed strolling Madison Avenue with his wife Soon-Yi and Epstein in 2013.

Prince Andrew

The Duke of York — who recently appeared in a photo with President Trump during the latter’s tour of Buckingham Palace — was a longtime friend of Epstein’s. The two were seen partying together in St. Tropez and Thailand, among other locations, and Andrew was even photographed meeting with Epstein in Central Park shortly after his release from prison. Of Epstein’s famous former cronies, Prince Andrew has arguably been the most directly implicated in the criminal allegations against Epstein. According to Giuffre’s civil suit, she was instructed by Epstein to have three sexual encounters on three separate occasions with Prince Andrew at Epstein’s home in New York, in Maxwell’s London home, and on Epstein’s estate on Little Saint James as part of an “orgy with numerous other under-aged girls.” Buckingham Palace forcefully denied the allegations, telling the Guardian “the allegations made are false and without any foundation.” But the Duke of York’s friendship with Epstein apparently so tarnished his reputation that in 2011, Prince Andrew was removed from his post as a U.K. trade representative to the United States following the negative media reports.

Mort Zuckerman

The media mogul and owner and publisher of the U.S. News and World Report partnered with Epstein to spend up to $25 million to fund the first issue of the gossip publication Radar in 2004. According to a 2006 Gawker report, news of the sexual abuse allegations against Epstein led the powerful magnate to rapidly disassociate himself from Epstein and shut down the first incarnation of the publication a mere 14 months after its inception in 2005.

Leslie Wexner

The chairman of Limited Brands, the company that owns lingerie store Victoria’s Secret, Wexner was one of Epstein’s hedge-fund clients, as well as the former owner of the opulent townhouse at 9 East 71st Street (valued at $77 million) which Epstein purchased, and where he is alleged to have committed many of the crimes outlined in the indictment. Epstein also formerly served as a trustee for the charitable Wexner Foundation. In a recent statement to Forbes, a spokesperson for Wexner said, “Mr. Wexner severed ties with Mr. Epstein more than a decade ago.”

Lawrence Krauss

As a philanthropist, Epstein aligned himself with many prominent scientists and leading thinkers, including Lawrence Krauss, a prominent theoretical physicist, bestselling author, and so-called “celebrity scientist” who directed a program on the origins of life that Epstein funded. Krauss gave a glowing quote in defense of his benefactor to the Daily Beast following Epstein’s brief incarceration. “If anything, the unfortunate period he suffered has caused him to really think about what he wants to do with his money and his time, and support knowledge,” Krauss told the Daily Beast in 2011. “Jeffrey has surrounded himself with beautiful women and young women but they’re not as young as the ones that were claimed. As a scientist I always judge things on empirical evidence and he always has women ages 19 to 23 around him, but I’ve never seen anything else, so as a scientist, my presumption is that whatever the problems were I would believe him over other people.” Coincidentally, Krauss himself was put on paid leave by Arizona State University after facing his own sexual misconduct allegations in 2018; an ASU investigation found sufficient evidence that Krauss had violated its sexual harassment policies. Though he denied the claims, he retired shortly thereafter.

Kenneth Starr

In addition to Alan Dershowitz, attorney Kenneth Starr — yes, that Ken Starr — also defended Epstein in 2007 and reportedly played a “significant part” in helping to secure his plea agreement, according to Dershowitz. Also according to Dershowitz, the lawyer who investigated the Monica Lewinsky scandal was recruited to help Epstein because “Starr had experience in investigating sex investigations. He had experience as the solicitor general and as a judge. He had all the bases covered,” he told the Daily Beast in 2015. Along with Dershowitz, Starr was also listed as a recipient of emails from Florida prosecutors discussing withholding the terms of the plea agreement from Epstein’s alleged victims.

Lawrence A. Summers

Former Harvard president and secretary of the treasury Larry Summers boasted a close relationship with Epstein: the two served on multiple foreign relations advisory panels together, and their friendship was detailed at length in a glowing Harvard Crimson profile of Epstein, who had just donated $30 million to the university. Summers and other former Harvard officials who had close ties to Epstein declined to comment for a 2018 follow-up piece on Epstein following the publication of the Miami Herald report.

Bill Barr

Attorney General Bill Barr and Epstein go way back: back in the early 1970s, Barr’s father hired Epstein to work as a physics and math teacher at the elite Manhattan private school Dalton, despite the fact that Epstein did not have a college degree. Following Epstein’s arrest, former FBI assistant director Frank Figliuzzi hinted that Barr could “attempt to interfere” with the prosecution of the case, though this would be unlikely given the “obvious” link between the two men. During his confirmation hearings, Barr himself said he would likely recuse himself from any involvement with the Epstein case, as he previously served as counsel for the law firm Kirkland and Ellis, which also represented Epstein in negotiating the terms of his 2007 plea agreement. But in an essay for the Daily Beast, former federal prosecutor Mimi Rocah expressed concern that Barr wouldn’t keep his word in this regard: “while it pains me to say this, given Barr’s conduct in the past acting more as a defense attorney for Trump than an overseer of justice, I am concerned that Barr might interfere if he thought that Epstein might implicate Trump, who was friends with Epstein,” she wrote.
I must say, a couple of those names surprise me.


The murder of Epstein? That doesn't surprise me. Too many big names there. Too much political power there.

Seeing as the Clintons have some 20-50 "accidental" or "suicide" deaths in the background - none proven, as, who would want to prove it knowing they would die next.............well, let's just say overall, Epstein didn't kill himself. And, I won't mourn his death. And, IF others named are proven to be be felons in the sexual abuse of girls, may God have mercy on their souls, because I won't.

That includes Trump, Clinton............heck, everyone listed.
Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 11/27/19 01:40 PM
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And, IF others named are proven to be be felons in the sexual abuse of girls, may God have mercy on their souls, because I won't.

That includes Trump, Clinton............heck, everyone listed.


arch...anyone who associated with Epstein...any name that appears on a list or on documents should be investigated...regardless of political affiliation.

Politics has nothing to do with this.
Originally Posted By: mac

arch...anyone who associated with Epstein...any name that appears on a list or on documents should be investigated...regardless of political affiliation.

Politics has nothing to do with this.


Which is why this is in the republican = putin thread instead of the Epstein thread.
Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 11/27/19 02:05 PM
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Originally Posted By: mac

arch...anyone who associated with Epstein...any name that appears on a list or on documents should be investigated...regardless of political affiliation.

Politics has nothing to do with this.


Which is why this is in the republican = putin thread instead of the Epstein thread.


Does Putin have a list of his own, dealing with world leaders?

Was Epstein involved with Putin and Russia, in any way?
Originally Posted By: mac
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Originally Posted By: mac

arch...anyone who associated with Epstein...any name that appears on a list or on documents should be investigated...regardless of political affiliation.

Politics has nothing to do with this.


Which is why this is in the republican = putin thread instead of the Epstein thread.


Does Putin have a list of his own, dealing with world leaders?

Was Epstein involved with Putin and Russia, in any way?




Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 11/27/19 02:08 PM
Here we go again...for the second time, the very same high ranking GOP Senator tries to carry Putin's message to United States citizens...claiming the Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election.


WHY?


Why do Republicans, like GOP Sen. Kennedy, continue to spout RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA?

After being briefed by United States Intell Agencies...why do GOP Senators and Reps continue to spread Russian propaganda?...why?

Is Russia paying the Republican Party?

Have the Russians successfully PURCHASED THE GOP?

The only political party supporting the Russian point of view is the Republican Party.

U.S. Senator: Republican Party Is Turning Into Russia’s ‘Most Important Global Asset'


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12/02/2019 03:37 am ET
Updated 23 hours ago
By Ed Mazza

Sen. Chris Murphy called out the GOP for using Moscow’s conspiracy theories to defend President Donald Trump.

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) called out the Republican Party for advancing Russian conspiracy theories as it continues to defend President Donald Trump during the impeachment inquiry.

“Call me old fashioned, but I think it’s a little unsavory the Republican Party is becoming the most important global asset of Russian intel,” Murphy tweeted on Sunday. “I get it, Russia’s bonkers ‘Ukraine did it, not Russia’ story is all the GOP has to defend their guy, but really?”


Chris Murphy
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@ChrisMurphyCT
Call me old fashioned, but I think it’s a little unsavory the Republican Party is becoming the most important global asset of Russian intel.

I get it, Russia’s bonkers “Ukraine did it, not Russia” story is all the GOP has to defend their guy, but really?

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Murphy’s tweet came hours after one of his Senate colleagues essentially repeated a debunked Russian talking point on “Meet the Press” on Sunday.

“I think both Russia and Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election,” Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) said. “I think it’s been well-documented.”

He also claimed that Ukraine’s former president, Petro Poroshenko, had been actively working for Hillary Clinton.

As host Chuck Todd pointed out, the U.S. intelligence community has implicated only Russia for 2016 election interference and recently warned senators that Moscow was trying to frame Ukraine for it.

“You realize the only person selling this argument outside the United States is ... Vladimir Putin?” Todd said. “You’ve done exactly what the Russian operation is trying to get American politicians to do. Are you at all concerned that you’ve been duped?”

“No,” Kennedy replied.
fox news is nothing more than propaganda outlet for russia.

the american RT.
and soooo many people willingly listen to literally no other outlet.



sad AND frightening.
Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
and soooo many people willingly listen to literally no other outlet.



sad AND frightening.



They listen to this dementia riddled word salad mess and gobble it up like it’s the Sermon on the Mount. We’re not talking about the greatest thinkers here.

Putin criticizes NATO expansion as alliance holds London summit

SOCHI, Russia (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday criticized NATO’s continued expansion, something he suggested was pointless given the absence of a threat from Moscow following the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.

Speaking at a meeting of Russian military leaders in the Russian Black Sea resort of Sochi, Putin said NATO expansion posed a threat to Russia, but said he hoped that a shared interest in common security would prevail.

Despite tensions, Putin said Russia remained ready to cooperate with the military alliance.

He was speaking as U.S. President Donald Trump lashed out at European allies before a NATO anniversary summit in London, singling out France’s Emmanuel Macron for “very nasty” comments on the alliance and Germany for spending too little on defense.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nato-...t-idUSKBN1Y71K5

Trump wants NATO stronger and paying their share of the load.
Putin hates it. Says there is no need to be so tough.

rofl Tell me again how Trump and Putin are one. rofl
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Tell me again how Trump and Putin are one


OK, if that's what you really want.

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McCabe: Trump said 'I don't care, I believe Putin' when confronted with US intel on North Korea


The Hill

Former acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe said that President Trump dismissed intelligence on North Korea given to him by U.S. officials, telling them, "I don't care, I believe Putin."

Trump told officials in a meeting that he did not believe North Korean missiles could strike the U.S. mainland because Russian President Vladimir Putin told him those missiles did not exist, according to McCabe.

"Intelligence officials in the briefing responded that that was not consistent with any of the intelligence our government possesses to which the president replied, 'I don't care. I believe Putin,'" McCabe told host Scott Pelley in an interview with "60 Minutes" released Sunday.

McCabe said it was "astounding" that Trump would lean on Putin's information about an issue U.S. intelligence officials were briefing him on.

"To spend the time and effort and energy that we all do in the intelligence community to produce products that will help decisionmakers and the ultimate decisionmaker, the president of the United States, make policy decisions, and to be confronted with an absolute disbelief in those efforts and a unwillingness to learn the true state of affairs that he has to deal with every day was just shocking," he said.

So who was right on that one?
Well I'll be damned.

Dang.

It wasn't russian collusion into our elections, as we've been told for over three years. It was Ukraine collusion.

Damn.........they got him this time. All about Joe Bidens son getting paid $50,000 a month for doing a job he wasn't qualified for. (along with several other dem's kids working for Ukraine) And Trump asking Ukraine to investigate.

that's hard core proof (idiocy) on the dem's part.

Seriously...........they couldn't come up with anything else? Ukraine? Withholding money? While Joe Biden himself is on VIDEO doing just such a thing?

Come on dems, you gotta come up with more than this.

https://news.yahoo.com/house-report-outline-evidence-trump-100255628.html
Sadly you actually buy into that BS.

Senators were briefed on Russian campaign to blame Ukraine for 2016 election meddling in the fall

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/i...e79fb6d4eaa60eb

Debunked Ukraine conspiracy theory is knocked down - again

https://apnews.com/23c9022665dc40a1a69e613459955112

sadly, you never mention Trump's daughter or son in law when it comes to kids that are unqualified fore their jobs. And in this case, it costs the American tax payers.
This whole thing was over russian collusion. THAT is what the impeachment began as. Finding nothing there, just as they have in how many investigations? They keep proceeding. And now it's ukraine.......you know, the country that employed Bidens' son.........as his son was making $50,000 a month, and the country in which Biden threatened to withhold money from if they didn't fire the person investigating.

Full circle here.,

Damn, the libs BETTER find something on trump. Otherwise, they'll look exactly as they do now.
They did find things. Did you forget about the people in prison? Did you forget Mueller said you can't get to the bottom of it when the witnesses are lying? Did you forget about all of the examples of obstruction pointed out in the Mueller report? Did you forget that the Biden thing is all a Russian propaganda tactic that is now being repeated by the GOP?

Have you even looked at the sources that prove it's been debunked over and over again?

I didn't think so. I never expected you to be so easily led around by the nose.
We'll find out. You've been led around by hatred. How's that worked over the last 3+ years???

I'll be done for now. I'm not in a good mood, for many reasons, none of them pertaining to any of this.

Like I said, I hope you guys get him. You've 'had' him about 10 times over the last 3+ years. It's about time you put up, or shut up.
We are the only remaining superpower in the world and we elect politicians based largely on advertising that we allow to be funded by companies with foreign interests. Of course other countries are going to attempt to manipulate our elections to their advantage. But, the focus on Russia is strictly a political gimmick. It's classic red baiting.

If democrats put Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Qatar under the same microscope as Russia, they would be appalled. Russia's influence is nothing by comparison. These OPEC countries have used political influence to get the U.S. into multiple foreign wars that do nothing to serve our interests and lead us into further debt, which is the primary reason that we don't have nicer government programs.

There is no solution to these problems that does not require getting to the root of the problem, which is the very existence of the RNC and DNC. Until those organizations are taken down, these problems cannot be solved, because they are built to ensure corruption. They are built to ensure that the policy agenda in the U.S. is controlled by companies and individuals that can donate enough money to guarantee that decision makers need them in maintain their jobs.
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
Well I'll be damned.

Dang.

It wasn't russian collusion into our elections, as we've been told for over three years. It was Ukraine collusion.

Damn.........they got him this time. All about Joe Bidens son getting paid $50,000 a month for doing a job he wasn't qualified for. (along with several other dem's kids working for Ukraine) And Trump asking Ukraine to investigate.

that's hard core proof (idiocy) on the dem's part.

Seriously...........they couldn't come up with anything else? Ukraine? Withholding money? While Joe Biden himself is on VIDEO doing just such a thing?

Come on dems, you gotta come up with more than this.

https://news.yahoo.com/house-report-outline-evidence-trump-100255628.html


You really ought to read more from a wider variety of sources. Most anyplace you go research will show that these lies that your are spewing out from your current source have been debunked. Hey - but from previous discussions I know you don't want to and won't. . . . But in case you missed it, the earth isn't flat either. Seriously !
yep. You got him. You got trump.

For the last 3 1/2 years, you've had him. Just like in the 70's we were facing an imminent ice age. Just like 'man made global warming' recently. Then man made climate change. Then just climate change.

Nail Trump on something. The Dem's have been doing their darndest to get him on something, for well over 3 1/2 years. At some point, you put up, or shut up.

They've put up: Ukraine. LOL.
Actually Putin put up the Ukraine hoax to trump. It’s amazing how trump was right about shooting someone on 5th ave, just amazing.
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
yep. You got him. You got trump.

For the last 3 1/2 years, you've had him. Just like in the 70's we were facing an imminent ice age. Just like 'man made global warming' recently. Then man made climate change. Then just climate change.

Nail Trump on something. The Dem's have been doing their darndest to get him on something, for well over 3 1/2 years. At some point, you put up, or shut up.

They've put up: Ukraine. LOL.



I didn't get Trump. No one has 'got Trump' .... but the Muller Report/Investigation was legit and valid - as has been confirmed by a Republican review. The Ukraine issue is also valid and is ongoing .... From this post it would seem to suggest as long as the POTUS abuses his power with smaller nations it's ok? I don't really get laughing at abuse of Power because of who the target is. The other point has just been mentioned - the irony of which seems to be lost on many on the Trump side - the whole "Ukraine" thing was a hoax by guilty Putin to try and misdirect Trump. The entire intelligence community has verified this - the only people still pushing a Ukraine thing is Trump and a couple of really stupid/loyal cronies. . . . Again, the proof is actually out there if someone was so inclined to reveal it.
You can't talk to arch about these things. I've been accused of the same that he's trying to do with you. Who gives a damn what he thinks or how many times dems have tried to get to the bottom of Trump's crimes. When you have a corrupt POS in the oval, you do whatever it takes to remove him as fast as possible.
Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Actually Putin put up the Ukraine hoax to trump. It’s amazing how trump was right about shooting someone on 5th ave, just amazing.


Bro, ikr! Getting rid of Trump is just the first step. The country will still be 'infested' with people like this...
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
You've been led around by hatred. How's that worked over the last 3+ years???


I've been led around by wanting someone with at least an ounce of honesty and integrity as our president. By the fact that a habitual liar does not belong in the White House. Obviously you and your religion don't care about basic decency. Sad really.

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Like I said, I hope you guys get him. You've 'had' him about 10 times over the last 3+ years. It's about time you put up, or shut up.


It's already up. The truth is there though you refuse to look at it. Not my problem. History will teach you the lesson you refuse to admit now.
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
You've been led around by hatred. How's that worked over the last 3+ years???


I've been led around by wanting someone with at least an ounce of honesty and integrity as our president. By the fact that a habitual liar does not belong in the White House. Obviously you and your religion don't care about basic decency. Sad really.

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Like I said, I hope you guys get him. You've 'had' him about 10 times over the last 3+ years. It's about time you put up, or shut up.


It's already up. The truth is there though you refuse to look at it. Not my problem. History will teach you the lesson you refuse to admit now.


History will show these constant coup attempts for what they are...

Treason and an assault against the American people who picked their President with their legitimate votes.
You still keep mimicking a habitual liar. Shameful!
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History will show these constant coup attempts for what they are...

Treason and an assault against the American people who picked their President with their legitimate votes.


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FALSE.
RHETORIC.

MORE (mindless) HYPERBOLE.

This is an investigation into a standing President's efforts to subvert and influence an election that has not yet taken place.

I will not allow you to reframe what this is, no matter how much fanciful typing you lay down, son.

FACT: Donald Trump withheld assistance that was already approved by The US Congress to a foreign government that is fighting an active war for their very survival. In so doing, he subverted the separation of powers, and used his position as POTUS like a mob boss:

"I got your protection, but if you wanna get it, you gotta do a li'l sumpin' for me-"

He only released his leverage over Ukraine when he was shown that the political price he'd pay in getting caught was more than the gains he'd reap if his extortion ploy actually started to worked.

Donald Trump folded a losing hand... and now is being forced to own up... in a forum that pays less attention to perception manipulation and 'messaging.'

The only reason why you now feel that America is picking on Your Boy... is because of how flawed, defective, and messed-up Your Boy has been from the start. He was destined to write this chapter of his own story... because of the kind of person he's always been.
Translation: 40 this is what it feels like waking up from a drug induced coma...
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History will show these constant coup attempts for what they are...


Coup attemps rofl


You can’t have a coup in a democracy......impossible dude. Oh that’s right... you kneel at his feet and kiss them. It’s a coup. Lol willynilly
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History will show these constant coup attempts for what they are...

Treason and an assault against the American people who picked their President with their legitimate votes.


Just a quick point:

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noun
noun: coup; plural noun: coups; noun: coup d'état; plural noun: coup d'états; plural noun: coups d'état

1.
a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.
"he was overthrown in an army coup"


As you can see, what's happening in American with this impeachment situation is far from a "coup"

Love them or hate them, the Democrats are following the law straight down the line. It's not a coup if you are following the law.. Not even possible

But like all things Trump, if he touches it, he destroys it. I fear for America..
Originally Posted By: s003apr
We are the only remaining superpower in the world and we elect politicians based largely on advertising that we allow to be funded by companies with foreign interests. Of course other countries are going to attempt to manipulate our elections to their advantage. But, the focus on Russia is strictly a political gimmick. It's classic red baiting.

If democrats put Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Qatar under the same microscope as Russia, they would be appalled. Russia's influence is nothing by comparison. These OPEC countries have used political influence to get the U.S. into multiple foreign wars that do nothing to serve our interests and lead us into further debt, which is the primary reason that we don't have nicer government programs.

There is no solution to these problems that does not require getting to the root of the problem, which is the very existence of the RNC and DNC. Until those organizations are taken down, these problems cannot be solved, because they are built to ensure corruption. They are built to ensure that the policy agenda in the U.S. is controlled by companies and individuals that can donate enough money to guarantee that decision makers need them in maintain their jobs.


Almost on queue. George Nader arrested for what. Funneling Russian money into campaigns? wrong... Funneling UAE money into both Trump and Clinton campaigns. To the tune of $3.5 million. And that is just one donor that got caught playing outside the lines. That does not come close to all of the legal money that is flowing into the campaigns influenced by Gulf Monarchies.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/03/george-nader-mueller-indicted-campaign-finance-075046

What did the Russians spend on election advertisements? something like $4700 on all of Google's platforms? This hysteria over Russia is all pure red baiting. Neither political party or their propaganda arms in the news organizations wants you to know who is actually giving them money and buying real political influence.
Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 12/06/19 12:04 PM
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This hysteria over Russia is all pure red baiting. Neither political party or their propaganda arms in the news organizations wants you to know who is actually giving them money and buying real political influence.


s003...can you think of any country that poses a nuclear threat to the United States?
Well it seems Republicans don't wish to talk about Trump's failed N. Korea policies. But Kim has decided to send a Christmas gift.

North Korean missile and Kim Jong-un's 'Christmas gift' decision

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50654146
Originally Posted By: mac
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This hysteria over Russia is all pure red baiting. Neither political party or their propaganda arms in the news organizations wants you to know who is actually giving them money and buying real political influence.


s003...can you think of any country that poses a nuclear threat to the United States?


I can't think of anything that has changed with respect to that nuclear threat that would cause people to lose their minds.

I can however see how Gulf money is being used to influence our elections and bribe the political establishment into sending our sons, daughters, brothers, and sisters into Middle East wars that do absolutely nothing to benefit this country.

I know that we haven't spent tens of trillions of dollars on our military over the last 20 years by preparing for a fight with Russia, but instead by fighting to temporarily hold large areas of sand that are of so little strategic importance to our country that we abandon them almost as quickly as we take them.
Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 12/07/19 03:40 PM
Originally Posted By: s003apr
Originally Posted By: mac
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This hysteria over Russia is all pure red baiting. Neither political party or their propaganda arms in the news organizations wants you to know who is actually giving them money and buying real political influence.


s003...can you think of any country that poses a nuclear threat to the United States?


I can't think of anything that has changed with respect to that nuclear threat that would cause people to lose their minds.



For the first time in America's history, Russia has an "intelligence asset" at the highest level of our government.

When 40cent says the Hamma is coming down. He’s talking about the hammer part of the old Soviet Union flag. The sickle part will chop us off at the knees. But the entire GOP Congress and their sheep are good with Putin being their friend.
Originally Posted By: mac
Originally Posted By: s003apr
Originally Posted By: mac
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This hysteria over Russia is all pure red baiting. Neither political party or their propaganda arms in the news organizations wants you to know who is actually giving them money and buying real political influence.


s003...can you think of any country that poses a nuclear threat to the United States?


I can't think of anything that has changed with respect to that nuclear threat that would cause people to lose their minds.



For the first time in America's history, Russia has an "intelligence asset" at the highest level of our government.



The fact that you are so fearful of Russia is precisely why so much effort is put into selling this narrative. That is the point of red-baiting.
The fact you keep playing into the hands of our enemy is the point here. and it's a legitimate point.
Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 12/08/19 05:14 PM
Originally Posted By: s003apr
Originally Posted By: mac
Originally Posted By: s003apr
Originally Posted By: mac
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This hysteria over Russia is all pure red baiting. Neither political party or their propaganda arms in the news organizations wants you to know who is actually giving them money and buying real political influence.


s003...can you think of any country that poses a nuclear threat to the United States?


I can't think of anything that has changed with respect to that nuclear threat that would cause people to lose their minds.



For the first time in America's history, Russia has an "intelligence asset" at the highest level of our government.



The fact that you are so fearful of Russia is precisely why so much effort is put into selling this narrative. That is the point of red-baiting.


s003...the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about is why some Americans need to be reminded...RUSSIA IS NOT OUR FRIEND, NOR ARE THEY AN ALLY.

Russia views the United States as their "enemy"...

...and the United States views Putin and Russia as our enemy.

Welcome to "reality"...

Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 12/09/19 11:37 AM


Sen. Ted Cruz echoes debunked claims that Ukraine interfered in 2016 election

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Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 12/09/19 11:44 AM
Another GOP Senator goes to the mat, lying for Trump and spreading Russian propaganda, WHY...?
Originally Posted By: mac


Sen. Ted Cruz echoes debunked claims that Ukraine interfered in 2016 election

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rofl Happily jumping directly into the basket. And oh...that stupid looking beard doesn’t cover up your flabby chin rolls.
Originally Posted By: mac
Another GOP Senator goes to the mat, lying for Trump and spreading Russian propaganda, WHY...?

trump is holding his birth certificate.
You know the birth certificate doesn't matter when it comes to white immigrants. He considers those, "the marrying kind".
Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 12/11/19 11:16 AM
Russians invited to visit with Trump once again.

What message is Trump sending to the American people?...you tell me!


Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 12/11/19 12:13 PM
What message does this send...?


Trump called the FBI 'scum' and hit out at the report that discredited his theory the Russia probe was a deep state plot at a wild Pennsylvania rally

Tom Porter 14 minutes ago
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President Donald Trump at a rally in Pennsylvania on Tuesday night lashed out at the FBI calling staff of the agency "scum."

He also doubled down on discredited conspiracy theories following the release of a report which undermined the president's claims that the Russia probe was a "deep state" plot to damage his presidency.

During the rally Trump repeated claims that the FBI had "spied" on his 2016 campaign that in a report released the day before Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz had found to be groundless.

"When the FBI uncovered evidence showing that we did absolutely nothing wrong, which was right at the beginning, they hid that exonerating, you know that, they hid it," Trump claimed.

That comment was seemingly a reference to a finding in the report that there were significant "omissions" in the FBI's application for a wiretap of Carter Page, a Trump campaign official.


"They hid it so nobody could see it and they could keep this hoax going on for two more years. They knew right at the beginning."

The report in fact found that the Russia probe was launched on the basis of multiple contacts between Trump campaign officials and Russians.


The link below...some of the 'low lights' from Trumps Hershey, PA thing, last night.

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Trump is a morally bankrupt person who will say anything to stoke up the base. I'm not a CNN person but this popped up on my phone and I thought it was a pretty reasonable review of Despicable Barr's hatchet job.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/12/11/barr-inspector-general-report-trump-kth-ac360-vpx.cnn

And a written article about how Barr is acting in bad faith here:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/...impeachment-nbc

Sort of in a nut shell and spot on:

"Again, according to Barr, “The greatest danger to our free system is that the incumbent government use the apparatus of the state ... in a way that could affect the outcome of the election.”

What president might be doing something like that, right now, and getting impeached for it?

In all seriousness, though, Barr’s move here is disturbingly Orwellian. He correctly identified the abuse of power to influence elections as a threat to American democracy, but then argued that the people who investigated Trump are the ones who are actually guilty of it. The criminal becomes the victim, the authoritarian the guarantor of our freedoms. You heard a similar refrain from Republicans during the House Judiciary Committee’s impeachment hearing on Monday, when they repeatedly accused the Democrats of being the real threat to democracy."
Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 12/11/19 02:16 PM
mgh888...The story below is from the second link you posted...


The shamelessness of Bill Barr
In a new interview, Barr said it’s bad when the government tries to affect “the outcome of the election.” Yes, seriously.

By Zack Beauchamp@zackbeauchampzack@vox.com Dec 10, 2019, 3:20pm EST

It’s often said that Donald Trump’s superpower is his lack of shame. It appears that Attorney General Bill Barr has been bitten by the same politically radioactive spider, at least if his Tuesday interview with NBC is any indication.

The interview with host Pete Williams focused on the Department of Justice’s inspector general report on the origins of the FBI’s Trump-Russia investigation. Barr said a number of questionable things in the interview, including contradicting one of Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s core findings: that there was legitimate reason to investigate links between the Trump campaign and Russia. He also tried to spin the Trump team’s contacts with Russia as something that “most campaigns” do.

But the most unbelievable line came when Barr attempted to cast the FBI’s surveillance of Trump campaign staff in 2016 as “the greatest danger to our free system” — because in his mind, that constituted the government abusing its powers to influence an election. Yes, really:

From a civil liberties standpoint, the greatest danger to our free system is that the incumbent government used the apparatus of the state, principally the law enforcement agencies and the intelligence agencies, both to spy on political opponents, but also to use them in a way that could affect the outcome of the election.

This is just not an accurate description of what happened in 2016. There is no credible evidence that the FBI investigation was an attempt to intervene in the election, which is a conspiracy theory that doesn’t even pass the most basic smell test. The existence of the Trump-Russia investigation wasn’t officially confirmed until March 2017 — and the most prominent leak during the campaign was pro-Trump, resulting in an iconically false New York Times headline: “Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia.” Why would the FBI keep its evidence against Trump secret until after the election, if it was trying to influence the outcome?

But setting aside the falsehoods, the sheer chutzpah of Barr’s comments is staggering. Again, according to Barr, “The greatest danger to our free system is that the incumbent government use the apparatus of the state ... in a way that could affect the outcome of the election.”

What president might be doing something like that, right now, and getting impeached for it?

In all seriousness, though, Barr’s move here is disturbingly Orwellian. He correctly identified the abuse of power to influence elections as a threat to American democracy, but then argued that the people who investigated Trump are the ones who are actually guilty of it. The criminal becomes the victim, the authoritarian the guarantor of our freedoms. You heard a similar refrain from Republicans during the House Judiciary Committee’s impeachment hearing on Monday, when they repeatedly accused the Democrats of being the real threat to democracy.

Barr’s embrace of this kind of truth-annihilating strategy is particularly interesting. He’s an establishment Republican with long credentials in the party, but one who has emerged as one of the most capable and willing defenders of Trump and the ideology for which he stands. Barr’s reasons for this, as my colleague Ezra Klein explained, stem from a deep sense of persecution, a belief that conservatives and Christians are under siege from ruthless progressives, an existential battle that must be waged if America as we know it is to be preserved.

Under these circumstances, a lot becomes justifiable — even the kind of assaults on the idea of truth more commonly seen in various types of authoritarian regimes (North Korea’s formal name, for example, is the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea). It’s a way of emptying words of their content, of transmuting ideas like “democratic” to mean “in the interests of the ruling faction.”

In today’s Republican Party, this has been a go-to move at the highest levels, part of the acceptable toolbox for fighting back against what the GOP sees as a “progressive holy war” (as Barr put it in a recent speech). The party has been enabled by a pliant media ecosystem, one that actively separates Republican partisans from sources of criticism and comfortably reassures their voters that up is, in fact, down. And Republicans will continue to do it until, somehow, they’re made to suffer the consequences.

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Russia’s State TV Calls Trump Their ‘Agent’

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russias-state-tv-calls-trump-their-agent
Interesting to see you guys doing Putin's work for him by spreading Russian Propaganda.

Hitler probably wished he had (so called) Americans like this. tsktsk
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Interesting to see you guys doing Putin's work for him by spreading Russian Propaganda.

Hitler probably wished he had (so called) Americans like this. tsktsk


If you saying that wasn't so sad it would be funny. We all know who is in bed with Putin.
Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 12/17/19 01:54 PM
Same story..just making it easier for the reader...

Russia’s State TV Calls Trump Their ‘Agent’

Russian commentators note, rightly, that “sooner or later, the Democrats will come back into power," and they’re already joking about offering Trump asylum.

Julia Davis
Updated Dec. 17, 2019 8:02AM ET Published Dec. 16, 2019 10:12AM ET
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Sometimes a picture doesn’t have to be worth a thousand words. Just a few will do. As Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov returned home from his visit with President Donald Trump in the Oval Office last week, Russian state media were gloating over the spectacle. TV channel Rossiya 1 aired a segment entitled “Puppet Master and ‘Agent’—How to Understand Lavrov’s Meeting With Trump.”

Vesti Nedeli, a Sunday news show on the same network, pointed out that it was Trump, personally, who asked Lavrov to pose standing near as Trump sat at his desk. It’s almost the literal image of a power behind the throne.

And in the meantime, much to Russia’s satisfaction, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is still waiting for that critical White House meeting with the American president: the famous “quid pro quo” for Zelensky announcing an investigation that would smear Democratic challenger Joe Biden. As yet, Zelensky hasn’t done that, and as yet, no meeting has been set.

Russian state television still views the impending impeachment as a bump in the road that won’t lead to Trump’s removal from office. But President Vladimir Putin’s propaganda brigades enjoy watching the heightened divisions in the United States, and how it hurts relations between the U.S. and Ukraine.

They’ve also added a cynical new a narrative filled with half-joking ironies as they look at the American president’s bleak prospects when he does leave office.

Appearing on Sunday Evening With Vladimir Soloviev, Mikhail Gusman, first deputy director general of ITAR-TASS, Russia’s oldest and largest news agency, predicted: “Sooner or later, the Democrats will come back into power. The next term or the term after that, it doesn’t matter... I have an even more unpleasant forecast for Trump. After the White House, he will face a very unhappy period.”


“Russia's state television uses every opportunity to demoralize the Ukrainians with talking points based on Trump’s distaste for their beleaguered country.”
The host, Vladimir Soloviev, smugly asked: “Should we get another apartment in Rostov ready?” Soloviev’s allusion was to the situation of Viktor Yanukovych, former president of Ukraine, who was forced to flee to Russia in 2014 and settled in the city of Rostov-on-Don.

Such parallels between Yanukovych and Trump are being drawn not only because of their common association with Paul Manafort, adviser to the first, campaign chairman for the second, but also because Russian experts and politicians consider both of them to be openly pro-Kremlin.


Tightly controlled Russian state-television programs constantly reiterate that Trump doesn’t care about Ukraine and gave Putin no reasons to even contemplate concessions in the run-up to the recent Normandy Four summit in Paris.

State-television news shows use every opportunity to demoralize the Ukrainians with a set of talking points based on the U.S. president’s distaste for their beleaguered country. The host of Who’s Against on Rossiya-1, Dmitry Kulikov, along with pro-Kremlin guests, took repeated jabs at the Ukrainian panelist, boasting about the meeting between Trump and Lavrov.

“There are no disagreements or contradictions between Trump and Russia,” argued Valery Korovin, director of the Center for Geopolitical Expertise, appearing on the state-television channel Rossiya-24. Korovin insisted that the Democrats in Congress are the main antagonists in the relationship between Russia and the United States.

Dmitry Kiselyov, the host of the Sunday news show Vesti Nedeli, accused the Democrats of joining forces with Hollywood, carrying out various conspiracies in order to undermine Trump’s popularity. Reporting for Vesti Nedeli from Washington, Mikhail Antonov used the term “the Cold War,” a fraught rhetorical twist to describe the clash between Trump and the Democratic majority in the House of Representatives.

“Putin has expressed undisguised delight with the crusade led by Trump and Giuliani to whitewash Moscow’s interference in the U.S. elections.”

Appearing on Sunday Evening With Vladimir Soloviev, Mikhail Gusman noted: “The scariest part of our relationship with America is that the level of trust between our countries, our governments, our political powers, is precisely at zero.”

“But not between the presidents,” chimed in the host.

Rudy Giuliani, acting as the president’s personal attorney and determined to divert attention from Trump’s impeachment to former Vice President Biden’s alleged corruption, recently embarked on an “evidence-gathering” trip to Ukraine. Shortly after Giuliani’s return to the United States, Russian state television started airing video clips of his OAN (One America News Network) “documentary.” It purports to prove Kyiv’s meddling in U.S. elections and accuses former Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch of “lying under oath in Congress to whitewash [Joe] Biden’s corruption.” Giuliani’s efforts on behalf of President Trump are bound to pay propaganda dividends for the Kremlin.

Putin has expressed undisguised delight with the crusade led by Trump and Giuliani to whitewash Moscow’s interference in the U.S. elections and pin the blame on Kyiv. Last month, the Russian president smugly remarked “Thank God no one is accusing us of interfering in the U.S. elections anymore. Now they’re accusing Ukraine.”

Rossiya-1 reporter Valentin Bogdanov surmised that by now the majority of American Republicans believe that Ukraine interfered in the U.S. elections, with the show airing various clips from Fox News.

The absurdity of such claims spawned by the Russian security services puts the hypocrisy of the Republicans on full display. The Kremlin, having argued for years that democracy is a sham and the West is devoid of morals and principles, can now showcase the GOP as its “Exhibit A.”

Appearing on The Evening With Vladimir Soloviev in October, political scientist Dmitry Evstafiev argued that Trump has to destroy the Republican Party in order to secure his own long-term survival. The impeachment proceedings seemed to expedite the process, with the GOP’s self-immolation for the sake of its “Dear Leader.”

Prompted by the head-spinning swerve of the Republicans, Tucker Carlson of Fox News even argued that, in the Ukrainian conflict, the U.S. should be taking the side of Russia. Kremlin-controlled Russian state media doesn’t suffer from a similar lack of clarity.

Appearing on Soloviev’s show, Semyon Bagdasarov, director of the Moscow-based Center for Middle Eastern and Central Asian Studies, exclaimed: “The United States is the enemy. It is our enemy. It is a hostile state that aims to destroy our country... We are at war!”
Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 12/17/19 01:56 PM
Why?...some perspective.


Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Interesting to see you guys doing Putin's work for him by spreading Russian Propaganda.

Hitler probably wished he had (so called) Americans like this. tsktsk


If you saying that wasn't so sad it would be funny. We all know who is in bed with Putin.


Think for just once today.
What is the first rule in the spy game when it comes to your "Agents"?
Yes, you don't give them up or discuss them!!!

So Russia saying Trump is an Agent of Russia is Propaganda.
An attempt to fuel discord.

Really now, any true and loyal citizen can see right through this.

But to the disloyal, that is another story. They help Putin spread his propaganda because they are so full of hate, they are blinded to any truth.
rofl
Hey 40 I love how the haters scoff at the truth, no proof on Trump ,just political assumptions and all video tape proof on Bidens true criminal actions ...sad

I would feel the same way if it was reversed.



YES!!!

Our President calling for the investigation of corruption by Americans world wide!

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Everyone but his own. Which was on full display in the videos.
Trump isn’t upset about corruption. He gets upset when he isn’t part of it.
"Tell Vlad ill have more flexibility after I win my ELECTION"
Wheres the outrage I ask?
Good Lord. Quit while you are so far behind.
Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 12/19/19 12:45 PM
I hope it makes the GOP feel good to know that the Russians are on their side.

Protecting Trumps enabler, Putin/Russia, is what the GOP has become...




Putin: Trump’s impeachment far-fetched,
Senate will acquit

By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV and HARRIET MORRIS
15 minutes ago
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MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that President Donald Trump’s impeachment is far-fetched and that the U.S. Senate will reject the motion.
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
YES!!!

Our President calling for the investigation of corruption by Americans world wide!

thumbsup


You mean like his charities and his university?
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
YES!!!

Our President calling for the investigation of corruption by Americans world wide!

thumbsup


You mean like his charities and his university?


Exactly. But looking at all politicians instead of just the ones rocking the (gravy) boat. Look at the "businessmen" linked to the politicians.

Keep investigating Trump, but dig into the rest as well.

Politicians should be held to a higher standard. While they may have a right to their private lives. Their financial lives should be under the microscope as money is widely accepted as the primary root of corruption.
Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 12/22/19 01:27 PM



Trump touts Putin speaking out against his impeachment


Colby Itkowitz, Isabelle Khurshudyan  
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Late Friday night, minutes before deplaning in Florida for the holidays, President Trump retweeted a link to an article in which Russian President Vladi­mir Putin defended him against impeachment.

 “A total Witch Hunt!” the president tweeted at 10:30 p.m., as he shared a 36-hour-old Associated Press tweet that read: “BREAKING: Russian President Vladimir Putin says U.S. President Donald Trump’s impeachment is far-fetched and predicts the U.S. Senate will reject it.

”Trump’s boasting of Putin’s support comes a day after The Washington Post reported that White House advisers feared Trump’s belief that Ukraine, not Russia, was responsible for interfering with the 2016 election was spurred by conversations Trump had had with Putin.

Trump’s critics responded on the president’s tweet, expressing exasperation more than incredulity.

“At the end of the day, it’s always Putin First,” wrote conservative commentator and “Never Trumper” Bill Kristol.

“Trump wants us to know that Putin has his back. We know,” tweeted Eric Columbus, a former Justice Department appointee in the Obama administration.

“Putin is a dictator who jails opponents, kills opponents, invades neighbors, interferes in democracies’ elections, etc. I don’t think an American president should be buddying with him. I wonder if Trump defenders are ever (secretly) embarrassed by this stuff. I hope so,” wrote Jay Nordlinger, a senior editor at the right-leaning National Review.

At his annual end-of-the-year news conference on Thursday, Putin was asked about Trump’s impeachment. He called the charges “completely fabricated reasons.

”That evening, Russian state media, which follows Putin’s lead, also threw its support behind Trump.

Popular Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Soloviev gave an impassioned defense of Trump on his evening show, raising his voice several times in a discussion with Atlantic Council expert Ariel Cohen.

“I can’t understand for what reason [Democrats] don’t like Trump,” Soloviev said.

Days earlier, on his two-hour Sunday night program, anchor Dmitry Kiselyov opined about how Hollywood has joined the Democrats in being against Trump, portraying him as “always on the dark side.

”And the state-sponsored Rossiya 1 news channel, which airs Soloviev’s show, recently broadcast segments of Rudolph W. Giuliani’s interview with right-wing channel One America News, in which the president’s personal attorney promoted debunked conspiracy theories about Ukrainian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

Khurshudyan reported from Moscow.
What other world leaders have come out and defended trump after he’s been impeached?
Originally Posted By: Swish
What other world leaders have come out and defended trump after he’s been impeached?


You mean from the ones who have been stiffing us all these years and owe us money?

Perhaps the ones who President Trump has put on notice over trade, nukes, etc?

Our President should not be concerned with what the world thinks of him, he works for us.

Dems get fake Nobel Prizes and such because their loyalties lie with the world. Just look how they have allowed our nation to be flooded with illegals, giving them welfare and drivers licenses on our dime.
Well said comrade. When Putin reads that he will be so proud of you. So glad to see you support the Moscow endorsed president.
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted By: Swish
What other world leaders have come out and defended trump after he’s been impeached?


You mean from the ones who have been stiffing us all these years and owe us money?

Perhaps the ones who President Trump has put on notice over trade, nukes, etc?

Our President should not be concerned with what the world thinks of him, he works for us.

Dems get fake Nobel Prizes and such because their loyalties lie with the world. Just look how they have allowed our nation to be flooded with illegals, giving them welfare and drivers licenses on our dime.


THIS is what hair on fire looks like...
Posted By: mac Re: How the Republican Party Became Putin/Russia - 12/22/19 05:10 PM
Quote:
Our President should not be concerned with what the world thinks of him, he works for us.



GOP = Grand Ole PUTIN Party...

People continue to lie for this guy without any thought to what they are claiming.

Type in..."Trump Listens to Putin But Not His Own Generals" ...see what you find.

...try this, "Vladimir Putin Backs Trump, Calling Impeachment Charges 'Completely Made Up"

...type in, "I believe Putin': Trump dismissed US advice on North Korea threat"

...try this, "Mueller shocker: Aides often ignore Trump’s orders | P.M. News"


Then ask yourself...why would Putin give opinions on such issues?

...why would any American President take Putin's advise?


Grand Ole Putin Party...

Grand Ole Party of Putin...


In case you didn't notice, Trump works for Putin...







What a sad, sad post.
Deportations lower under Trump administration than Obama: report

https://thehill.com/latino/470900-deportations-lower-under-trump-than-obama-report

Don't let the facts get in your way 40.
Russians.
Everywhere you look.
All the (freakkin) time.


Russians.


one more time:
RUSSIANS.

Telling the President of the United States of America what to say and how to think.


And this is somehow ok.


Y'all have lost your gatdam minds.
bro there was a brief period in 2017 where i thought "hmmm, maybe we are pushing the russia thing too much". the right was hitting us with that "russian salad dressing line" and it was kinda effective.

and then it QUICKLY became the reality that it is ALWAYS russia, or some corrupt pro russian losers surrounding russia, like ukraine.

i mean that crap that went down in helsinki......had trump been a democrat, he wouldve got impeached and removed in a week had he did the same thing, standing side by side with putin and taking his side over us.

that......what a freaking low point in US diplomatic history. complete shame.
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bro there was a brief period in 2017 where i thought "hmmm, maybe we are pushing the russia thing too much".


I never had such a moment.
17 different Intelligence agencies all said the same thing. 17.
Not 1, 2 or 3 out of 17. A number that low might give me reason to doubt. But no.

Seventeen.

Agencies made up of career professionals who have worked for decades under both R & D administrations.

All saying the same thing.

Helsinki.
The prez of a financially strapped, 2nd tier former superpower lapdogs The American President on the world stage.
I felt personally betrayed. So glad My Pops (Army/WWII/Okinawa) never had to see this.
Shake your head slowly.

Then there's:
"I don't care, I believe Putin."

And this is no cause for alarm.
Hell, it simply gears some folks up to dig in harder.


Lost they gatdam minds.
I'm no shrink. I'm not equipped to help them.
Talk to them if you want; you have more 'disposable life moments' to spend than I do.
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