The other thread on this forum is 10 pages long. Time to start a new one in my opinion.
I have stayed away from the political discussions and championed not having political talk in the EE forum. Not because I don't think politics play a part in this. I just know that when politics enter the conversation, the threads turn into a series of insults, name calling, and one-sided rants from both sides. That's not productive when you want to "learn."
I am going to enter the political discussion. President Trump's handling of this virus is deplorable. His actions reek of negligence, political gain, deception, and outright ignorance.
I didn't think the Dems could beat him w/either Biden or Bernie because of how horrible those two are. But, Trump's handling of this situation is as bad as it gets. He probably just cost himself being re-elected.
In times of crisis, this country needs people to step up and be strong leaders. The NBA Commish proved to be that kind of leader. Mark Cuban proved to be a leader.
Trump was working on the Wohan Virus when the Democrats were worried about nothing but impeachment. He attempted to implement a travel ban way back then. I think the Dems response was to again accuse the travel ban as more racism. Try again!
Eve, I don't claim to be an expert. And I have defended him at times when I think guys like OCD, Perfect, etc are being unfair.
I do think that our President has downplayed the dangers of the virus from the very beginning. I think he has made it more of a political story than actually attacking the virus head-on. I don't think appointing Pence was intelligent at all. I think an expert in the field should have been given that task. I don't think trying to make this about us vs them was proper. I think he should have attacked the virus head-on and appropriated more funds to help w/testing and education of the virus. I do understand that a vaccine takes time and I am not putting that on him.
Again, I am not an expert. These are just my opinions on leadership. I have led teams, classrooms, and school improvement groups and that isn't squat. But, I did learn that you take a proactive approach and put your entire focus on doing the best you can for the majority instead of worrying about how you are perceived.
Trump was working on the Wohan Virus when the Democrats were worried about nothing but impeachment. He attempted to implement a travel ban way back then. I think the Dems response was to again accuse the travel ban as more racism. Try again!
I'm not going to "try again" and get into one of the dumb-ass arguments that dominate this forum. I spoke as to how I feel. Period. Deal w/it!
Trump was working on the Wohan Virus when the Democrats were worried about nothing but impeachment. He attempted to implement a travel ban way back then. I think the Dems response was to again accuse the travel ban as more racism. Try again!
Yep. This 100. Racist. Now it's his fault 300 million test kits didn't magically appear in people's mailboxes overnight.
Eve, I don't claim to be an expert. And I have defended him at times when I think guys like OCD, Perfect, etc are being unfair.
I do think that our President has downplayed the dangers of the virus from the very beginning. I think he has made it more of a political story than actually attacking the virus head-on. I don't think appointing Pence was intelligent at all. I think an expert in the field should have been given that task. I don't think trying to make this about us vs them was proper. I think he should have attacked the virus head-on and appropriated more funds to help w/testing and education of the virus. I do understand that a vaccine takes time and I am not putting that on him.
Again, I am not an expert. These are just my opinions on leadership. I have led teams, classrooms, and school improvement groups and that isn't squat. But, I did learn that you take a proactive approach and put your entire focus on doing the best you can for the majority instead of worrying about how you are perceived.
How does he attack the virus head-on? And how much money was put towards testing?
I think it's the underlings (experts) jobs to make recommendations to him. I don't want him making any decisions regarding health. He's not trained in that area. The CDC should be leading the way. It's their literal name. Center For Disease Control.
Eve, I don't claim to be an expert. And I have defended him at times when I think guys like OCD, Perfect, etc are being unfair.
I do think that our President has downplayed the dangers of the virus from the very beginning. I think he has made it more of a political story than actually attacking the virus head-on. I don't think appointing Pence was intelligent at all. I think an expert in the field should have been given that task. I don't think trying to make this about us vs them was proper. I think he should have attacked the virus head-on and appropriated more funds to help w/testing and education of the virus. I do understand that a vaccine takes time and I am not putting that on him.
Again, I am not an expert. These are just my opinions on leadership. I have led teams, classrooms, and school improvement groups and that isn't squat. But, I did learn that you take a proactive approach and put your entire focus on doing the best you can for the majority instead of worrying about how you are perceived.
How does he attack the virus head-on? And how much money was put towards testing?
I think it's the underlings (experts) jobs to make recommendations to him. I don't want him making any decisions regarding health. He's not trained in that area. The CDC should be leading the way. It's their literal name. Center For Disease Control.
Exactly. The last person I'm going to listen to at a time like this is a politician.
Fact-Check: Obama Waited Until 'Millions' Infected and 1000 Dead in U.S. Before Declaring H1N1 National Emergency
By Victoria Taft
February 28, 2020
"Let's call it Trumpvirus," urged a New York Times opinion writer conspiratorially. Nancy Pelosi groused that President Trump waited too long to attack the coronavirus (COVID-19) and then impetuously declared he couldn't have leftover and unspent Ebola virus money to fight it, while Senator Chuck Schumer looked down his nose and over his glasses to intone that it was the end of the world and the president hadn't spent enough money to stop the scourge. Joe Biden and Michael Bloomberg have both been called out for politicizing the virus.
By their lights, Trump's doing it all wrong. They won't be able to tell you why, but (stomps foot) they just know. They're praying for a pandemic filled with infected people and decimation of the stock market just to fix Trump's wagon in his re-election campaign, now that the whole Russian-secret-agent and peeing-hooker story went belly-up.
They just know that he's such a dummy that it wouldn't ever occur to him to stop air travel from an infected nation, increase screenings, involuntarily quarantine those infected with the virus when they were repatriated and seek a vaccine now.
Oh, wait, he has done all of those things and has been called a racist for doing it.
We've had several creepy viruses emerge over the past two decades. There's been MRSA, SARS, and H1N1 (swine flu), to name a few. But it's been the H1N1 flu that has been most compared to this outbreak.
Surely, St. Barack of Obama would have dealt with this horrible pandemic better than Orange Man Bad, right? No-Drama-Obama had this whole thing under control, of course!
Well, let's compare and contrast.
The American Journal of Clinical Pathology reports that this coronavirus (COVID-19) was first seen in late December:
On December 30, 2019, scientists in China "a cluster of patients with pneumonia of unknown etiology was observed in Wuhan, China, and reported to the World Health Organization (WHO) China bureau in Beijing. A week later, January 7, 2020, a new coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) was isolated from these patients."
As we suspect, the Chinese government tried to keep the virus outbreak secret – for what reason we don't know. What we do know, however, is that by January 31, 2020, President Trump had declared a public health emergency and began restricting U.S. access to non-citizens from China. Flights filled with U.S. citizens who were in Wuhan were brought to America and those people were quarantined on U.S. military bases for two weeks.
Though he lamented being called a "racist" for doing so, Trump says if he hadn't hardened the U.S. borders at that point, the virus would have had gained a bigger foothold in the country.
Now, let's go to the Wayback Machine.
While American health officials declared a public health emergency on April 26, 2009, then-Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano downplayed the announcement, calling it “standard operating procedure," adding that she would rather refer to it as a "declaration of emergency preparedness." It wasn't until four months later in October, that then-President Obama himself declared an H1N1 national emergency.
CNN reported in October 2009:
Since the H1N1 flu pandemic began in April, millions of people in the United States have been infected, at least 20,000 have been hospitalized and more than 1,000 have died, said Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. [emphasis added]
In fact, the Kaiser Family Foundation noted the emergency declaration in its newsletter in October 2009 and described what it does, including giving help to hospitals, triage aid, and ways to segregate the H1N1 patients from other patients:
President Barack Obama declared the H1N1 (swine) flu outbreak a national emergency, the Wall Street Journal reports. “The declaration, which Mr. Obama signed Friday, authorizes the administration to waive or modify certain federal requirements involving Medicare, Medicaid and health-privacy rules to speed treatment,” the newspaper writes (McKay/Simpson/Whalen, 10/26).
The national emergency declaration will “allow hospitals and governments on the local level to more rapidly prepare triage sites and procedures to handle any future surge in sick patients,” TIME writes. “A hospital in danger of being overrun by H1N1 patients would be allowed to segregate them in a separate site for treatment, which might slow the spread of the disease” (Walsh, 10/24).
“The declaration Saturday did not signify any unanticipated worsening in the United States of the H1N1 outbreak, officials said,” the New York Times reports. “It seemed likely, however, to increase concerns, disruptions and at times, panicky reactions, to a disease now affecting most parts of the world.” U.S. health officials on Friday said more than 1,000 Americans have died from H1N1 (Calmes/McNeil, 10/25).
In a second story, the New York Times examines growing confusion and anger among H1N1 vaccine-seekers in the U.S. Though the U.S. is currently experiencing an H1N1 vaccine shortage, health officials say current H1N1 shortages “are temporary.”
Furthermore, the CDC's Frieden fretted at the time that efforts to create a vaccine had stumbled:
"We are nowhere near where we thought we would be," Frieden said, acknowledging that manufacturing delays have contributed to less vaccine being available than expected. "As public health professionals, vaccination is our strongest tool. Not having enough is frustrating to all of us."
Frieden said that while the way vaccine is manufactured is "tried and true," it's not well-suited for ramping up production during a pandemic because it takes at least six months. The vaccine is produced by growing weakened virus in eggs.
But wait, there's more.
According to Virology Journal, the 2009 H1N1 came into the U.S. from Mexico:
The swine-origin influenza A (H1N1) virus that appeared in 2009 and was first found in human beings in Mexico, is a reassortant with at least three parents. Six of the genes are closest in sequence to those of H1N2 'triple-reassortant' influenza viruses isolated from pigs in North America around 1999-2000.
Now, about that "racist" wall ...
Every time the Left tries to make Trump look bad on this issue they're found to be frauds.
In fact, by 2015, Obama was back trying to counter a new H1N1 outbreak in the country.
Democrats and their allies in the media and "fact check" sites have weaponized the virus stories to get Trump. Of course they have.
This coronavirus just seems so much more dramatic than H1N1.
Politics could have a lot to do with it. Media (and click baiting) could have a lot to do with it. The impact on various industries has been dramatic. (At least to me, Delta Airlines is near and dear to my heart, and ATL is losing a lot of business due to sports being shut down.)
I don't ever remember sports being shutdown like this. Ever. It was a shock.
And here in Atlanta, most of the school systems are shut down. I went to a bar yesterday and it was empty.
I have been through some different disasters, and this is by far the most dramatic thing.
Great and Powerful Mankind with all his technology and science, shaking in his boots, terrified and helpless against something so small he can't even see it.
This is why I don't like to post on this forum. Hell, the supposed PFF is very similar. People just making things up to fit their agenda.
No agenda bro. Didn't call you racist either. Please go back and read. Reference was made to Trump being called racist for the early idea of a travel ban. He was. The other poster mentioned it, I quoted his post and agreed. Not sure how you would read so much into it or think by any stretch that I called you racist.
Great and Powerful Mankind with all his technology and science, shaking in his boots, terrified and helpless against something so small he can't even see it.
pfft
This might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on here.
They are now saying over 100,000 people in OHIO are infected. Most will be perfectly fine. But, people will die. And more than a couple. Have you seen the news about Italy? Hospitals overrun and doctors choosing who to save and who to essentially let die because they don't have enough equipment or personnel to save everyone?
The Bubonic Plague killed 100,000,000 people in history. Couldn't see it. So nothing to worry about?
Great and Powerful Mankind with all his technology and science, shaking in his boots, terrified and helpless against something so small he can't even see it.
pfft
This might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on here.
They are now saying over 100,000 people in OHIO are infected. Most will be perfectly fine. But, people will die. And more than a couple. Have you seen the news about Italy? Hospitals overrun and doctors choosing who to save and who to essentially let die because they don't have enough equipment or personnel to save everyone?
The Bubonic Plague killed 100,000,000 people in history. Couldn't see it. So nothing to worry about?
I can only speak for myself - but like the majority of his posts I believe it was only written to illicit outrage and frustration. I don't believe 40 thinks that way at all, after all no-one can see radiation either and that's a sure fire killer . Apparently board rules prohibit me from calling him a Troll - so I'll simply say that these trite trashy post are certainly troll like.
As for why or how Trump has not handled this Virus well or made it worse? I mean you really have to be drinking the Trump koolaid straight from the teet if you want to try and say Trump has done well and the problem is with the Left Wing media. As someone else wrote the other day - Italy didn't shut down and China didn't shut down areas of the country based on Left Wing Media in the USA or the Dems ....
Here's one decision that rests entirely on Trump and his administration.
And then if you listen to a neutral news source (No Faux/Fox News is not neutral) - you'll see that when reports of this virus surfaced early (months and months ago) the WH decided to centralize responses and added red tape / procedure and simply reacted slowly to situations and news about CV. I've heard literally dozens of medical professionals and epidemic specialists talk about lack of response and how slow the process became because of this.
Trump himself has down played the impact of CV from the very beginning - and he has made some outrageously false claims about the virus, it's presence in the USA and testing..... With as faithful as his hard core supporters are - does anyone want to claim that Trump initially saying this was a new Dem hoax that it didn't impact the precautions people made? ...... Trump said anyone could be tested who wanted a test. An outright Mammoth of a lie. He said only 2 days ago on his emergency broadcast the testing is going well. Another huge lie, we can't test fast enough the numbers show that. We have the lowest test rate out of any country reporting their testing. And then there is the claim we have very few verified numbers of infected people and all is fine .... yeah, if we continue not to test for CV we'll continue to have very few verified cases - that's a self fulfilling prophecy and has nothing to do with how many people in the US have CV right now.
Believe what you want to believe - Dawgtalkers political forum isn't going to change your mind I am sure. But many confuse the idea of wanting to deal with real facts, real numbers, proper response and correct methodology with minimizing the impact of CV with panic and fear. That's a completely wrong interpretation of what the vast majority of sensible, educated people are doing. It's not panic - it's called being informed and best practice.
Great and Powerful Mankind with all his technology and science, shaking in his boots, terrified and helpless against something so small he can't even see it.
pfft
This might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on here.
They are now saying over 100,000 people in OHIO are infected. Most will be perfectly fine. But, people will die. And more than a couple. Have you seen the news about Italy? Hospitals overrun and doctors choosing who to save and who to essentially let die because they don't have enough equipment or personnel to save everyone?
The Bubonic Plague killed 100,000,000 people in history. Couldn't see it. So nothing to worry about?
You guys missed my point. We are helpless against this virus currently, in spite of our great technology and science.
I guess in the future I need a sign language assistant.
I suggest since we can't kiss, hug, or shake hands anymore we bring back the bump. Download the song to your phone and do the bump in public whenever you would have shaken hands or hugged
this trash ass president somehow found a way to place blame on obama AGAIN.
you freaking conservatives constantly talk about having accountability and taking responsibility, yet elected a man who does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING of the sort.
trump was the one who got rid of the pandemic response team in 2018 to begin with, and now is trying to place the blame on others for his failures.
i swear to god im tired of trash ass people never practicing what they preach.
Dr. Sanjay Gupta Tells Colbert Trump ‘Failed’ Americans With Coronavirus Response
Matt Wilstein
Stephen Colbert’s first and only guest on his first night without a studio audience Thursday night was someone who he hoped might be able to give his viewers some much needed answers.
And his first big question for CNN’s Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta was, “How worried should we be?”
“I think for the majority of people, this is not going to be something that's going to make them tremendously ill, this coronavirus,” Gupta replied, encouragingly. “It might make them sick for a few days, they're likely to recover.” Asked how to find the “blurry line” between “caution and panic,” he said, “I don't think it ever should cross into panic because panic doesn't serve any purposes.”
But at the same time, he said he does “worry” about the “certain population” of people who are most at risk.
“It is elderly people and people who have pre-existing conditions like heart disease,” Gupta explained. “For them, their immune system won't be able to fight this virus as well so the lungs won't be able to stay as pliable and they can eventually develop what’s called respiratory distress and they need to be on a breathing machine, they need to be supported while the body tries to fight off the virus.”
Seth Meyers Mocks Trump’s Hot Mic Moment as Coronavirus Cancels ‘Late Night’
Gupta said he’s “stunned” by the “really tough” decisions that some hospitals are going to be forced to make. “Is that alarming? Yes, it should be alarming,” he said. “Can it be prevented? Absolutely. Should we have been preparing for the last six weeks? For sure. Did we? Doesn't seem like it. If I get panicked, it's not because of the virus, it's because of our response thus far to things.”
That response came into greater focus in their second segment when Colbert brought up President Donald Trump’s promise last week at the CDC that anyone who wants to get tested for the coronavirus can get tested. “Is that true or false, Sanjay Gupta?” he asked.
“It’s false. And it’s sad,” Gupta replied. “We failed with regard to testing in this country.” He added, “I feel like I have been screaming into the abyss, and, frankly, you get a lot of pushback on social media saying, ‘you're fearmongering, why are you being so critical?’” But without proper testing, he said, “We don’t know what we’re dealing with in this country.”
Noting that the total number of cases have jumped from 15 to over 1,000, Gupta said he believes that’s a “gross underestimate of what’s actually happening here.”
Dr. Sanjay Gupta Tells Colbert Trump ‘Failed’ Americans With Coronavirus Response
Matt Wilstein
Stephen Colbert’s first and only guest on his first night without a studio audience Thursday night was someone who he hoped might be able to give his viewers some much needed answers.
And his first big question for CNN’s Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta was, “How worried should we be?”
“I think for the majority of people, this is not going to be something that's going to make them tremendously ill, this coronavirus,” Gupta replied, encouragingly. “It might make them sick for a few days, they're likely to recover.” Asked how to find the “blurry line” between “caution and panic,” he said, “I don't think it ever should cross into panic because panic doesn't serve any purposes.”
But at the same time, he said he does “worry” about the “certain population” of people who are most at risk.
“It is elderly people and people who have pre-existing conditions like heart disease,” Gupta explained. “For them, their immune system won't be able to fight this virus as well so the lungs won't be able to stay as pliable and they can eventually develop what’s called respiratory distress and they need to be on a breathing machine, they need to be supported while the body tries to fight off the virus.”
Seth Meyers Mocks Trump’s Hot Mic Moment as Coronavirus Cancels ‘Late Night’
Gupta said he’s “stunned” by the “really tough” decisions that some hospitals are going to be forced to make. “Is that alarming? Yes, it should be alarming,” he said. “Can it be prevented? Absolutely. Should we have been preparing for the last six weeks? For sure. Did we? Doesn't seem like it. If I get panicked, it's not because of the virus, it's because of our response thus far to things.”
That response came into greater focus in their second segment when Colbert brought up President Donald Trump’s promise last week at the CDC that anyone who wants to get tested for the coronavirus can get tested. “Is that true or false, Sanjay Gupta?” he asked.
“It’s false. And it’s sad,” Gupta replied. “We failed with regard to testing in this country.” He added, “I feel like I have been screaming into the abyss, and, frankly, you get a lot of pushback on social media saying, ‘you're fearmongering, why are you being so critical?’” But without proper testing, he said, “We don’t know what we’re dealing with in this country.”
Noting that the total number of cases have jumped from 15 to over 1,000, Gupta said he believes that’s a “gross underestimate of what’s actually happening here.”
NOT picking on you, you didn't write the article. I just think headlines are pretty misleading anymore. NOWHERE in the interview did Gupta say "Trump failed Americans". Sounds like most of his indictments are against the public and it's accusations of "fear-mongering"... and the CDC itself.
The CDC takes weeks to design a test, it doesn't work, they take weeks more for feedback before deciding to fix the test... Take weeks more to fix the test and produce more. The test still can't be trusted and that fact is exacerbated by the fact that the FDA, in it's infinite knowledge and strict guidance, has ordered them to start double testing anyone who tests positive to confirm the results.
Report: Pelosi attempted to sneak taxpayer-funded abortions into the coronavirus relief bill
Pelosi wanted to create a federal 'slush fund' for abortions
According to the Daily Caller, senior White House officials say that during negotiations with the Trump administration regarding a coronavirus economic relief package, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) sought to include a loophole that would guarantee federal funding for abortion services.
The officials claimed the California Democrat attempted to lobby for "several" provisions that slowed down a bipartisan working group in her talks with U.S. Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin. Among Pelosi's demands, according to the Daily Caller, was $1 billion to reimburse laboratory claims. White House officials told the publication that if approved, this would create a precedent of health spending that circumvents a federal ban on taxpayer-sponsored abortions. 'Slush fund' for abortions
The ban, known as the Hyde Amendment, does not allow clinics or medical centers that perform abortion services to receive federal dollars.
"A new mandatory funding stream that does not have Hyde protections would be unprecedented," a White House told the Daily Caller. "Under the guise of protecting people, Speaker Pelosi is working to make sure taxpayer dollars are spent covering abortion — which is not only backwards, but goes against historical norms."
Pelosi's provision was described as a "slush fund" by another White House official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to the Daily Caller. Another questioned the logic of the House Speaker's condition: "What the Hyde Amendment and abortion have to do with protecting Americans from coronavirus?"
In a tweet Thursday, Planned Parenthood attacked Republicans for wanting the Hyde Amendment included in the coronavirus relief bill: "Using this very real public health emergency to attack abortion coverage shows a despicable lack of concern about the severity of this crisis." Bill will be voted on
According to Politico, Republican and Democratic leaders eventually "resolved issues" concerning the Hyde Amendment provision and that the matter will be voted on as part of a separate bill.
House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy pushed back against the Democrats' bill Thursday morning, indicating he wanted the legislation re-written within the next 24 to 48 hours. It remains unclear when the coronavirus economic relief package will be brought to the floor of the House for a vote or if the Senate will support it.
President Donald Trump has indicated he would sign any coronavirus relief package that is brought to his desk.
My toe dipping yesterday is paying dividends today.
Dow was up 600 or so when I looked earlier, now at 200+ ... I'd sell before Trump says or does something or more cv news hits... I wonder if it will finish up or down today?
Report: Pelosi attempted to sneak taxpayer-funded abortions into the coronavirus relief bill
Pelosi wanted to create a federal 'slush fund' for abortions
According to the Daily Caller, senior White House officials say that during negotiations with the Trump administration regarding a coronavirus economic relief package, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) sought to include a loophole that would guarantee federal funding for abortion services.
The officials claimed the California Democrat attempted to lobby for "several" provisions that slowed down a bipartisan working group in her talks with U.S. Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin. Among Pelosi's demands, according to the Daily Caller, was $1 billion to reimburse laboratory claims. White House officials told the publication that if approved, this would create a precedent of health spending that circumvents a federal ban on taxpayer-sponsored abortions. 'Slush fund' for abortions
The ban, known as the Hyde Amendment, does not allow clinics or medical centers that perform abortion services to receive federal dollars.
"A new mandatory funding stream that does not have Hyde protections would be unprecedented," a White House told the Daily Caller. "Under the guise of protecting people, Speaker Pelosi is working to make sure taxpayer dollars are spent covering abortion — which is not only backwards, but goes against historical norms."
Pelosi's provision was described as a "slush fund" by another White House official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to the Daily Caller. Another questioned the logic of the House Speaker's condition: "What the Hyde Amendment and abortion have to do with protecting Americans from coronavirus?"
In a tweet Thursday, Planned Parenthood attacked Republicans for wanting the Hyde Amendment included in the coronavirus relief bill: "Using this very real public health emergency to attack abortion coverage shows a despicable lack of concern about the severity of this crisis." Bill will be voted on
According to Politico, Republican and Democratic leaders eventually "resolved issues" concerning the Hyde Amendment provision and that the matter will be voted on as part of a separate bill.
House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy pushed back against the Democrats' bill Thursday morning, indicating he wanted the legislation re-written within the next 24 to 48 hours. It remains unclear when the coronavirus economic relief package will be brought to the floor of the House for a vote or if the Senate will support it.
President Donald Trump has indicated he would sign any coronavirus relief package that is brought to his desk.
You always find the best alt-right nutjob conspiracy theory stories to introduce 'GOPer Facts' into the conversation! I'm glad I don't pay your tin foil bill...
This is the me first country. Bet he was republican.
He was a She and that sort of comment is asinine. You are part of the problem - I am seeing from you more and more divisive comments. When you stoop to the level of the dumbest denominator on the "other side" you already lost.
Bloomberg Trump to Declare National Emergency to Speed Virus Response Jennifer Jacobs, Saleha Mohsin and Jenny Leonard
15 mins ago
President Donald Trump plans to declare a national emergency on Friday over the coronavirus outbreak, invoking the Stafford Act to open the door to more federal aid for states and municipalities, according to two people familiar with the matter.
Trump is under increasing pressure to act as governors and mayors nationwide step up actions to mitigate the spread, closing schools and canceling public events. The president said he will hold a news conference at 3 p.m. in Washington.
Senate Democrats have urged Trump to invoke the Stafford Act and other disaster declaration requests they say would free up more than $42 billion in funding for states available in the Disaster Relief Fund.
Trump is under increasing pressure to act as governors and mayors nationwide step up
LMAO. He's under no pressure to do anything at all. The entire country already knows what to expect from his lame feckless ass... and are self-starting without regard to what he may or may not do.
Here is my somewhat uninformed take from what I have seen Re: Trump.
The same people that said travel bans from China were racist and banning travel “smacks of xenophobia” or other such nonsense are the same exact people claiming he did not do enough. This is the MO of the very strange hard left and geopolitical left in the past 4 years, claim everything is bad and then play otherside ism on the backside……it’s racist to ban people from China…..Trump failed us by not banning them soon enough.
Headline grabbing nonsense.
Europe and their morality policing government absolutely failed their countrymen. They allowed their faux morals to literally kill their kin. Racist to ban people from fleeing…..until it’s killing your neighbor.
My biggest criticism of Trump is that he did not ban all foreign travel the INSTANT it was clear that Europe was getting sick. We are an Ocean away from this virus, we should have banned them from coming back into or traveling to this country…..sorry about your luck Americans abroad. The “everyone gets a test if they need a test” criticism is just nit picking at its finest. What the hell is the guy supposed to say “well sorry, we don’t have the resources to test everyone” and induce a national panic? It’s in these times where I actually appreciate the transparency of knowing people just hate the man regardless of what he does. At least I know to throw their opinions in the trash where they belong. I cannot even imagine the vitriol he would receive if we hadn’t banned travel from China.
Whom better to have as president during the coronavirus epidemic but a renowned germaphobe, the “build-the-wall” guy who refuses to kowtow to China?
It’s a unique set of characteristics showing that President Trump understood early the need for decisive measures such as travel restrictions on China, which he imposed in January.
Yet for that sensible decision — in defiance of the World Health Organization — he was criticized by Democrats such as Joe Biden as xenophobic, and by China as racist.
“This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia — hysterical xenophobia — and fearmongering,” said Biden the day after the travel restrictions were imposed.
CNN ran a story warning that “the US coronavirus travel ban could backfire” and have the effect of “stigmatizing countries and ethnicities.”
The Chinese Communist Party’s official mouthpiece, the People’s Daily, called the ban “racist.”
WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus warned it would increase “fear and stigma, with little public health benefit.”
It is hard to have much confidence in a United Nations bureaucracy run by the former health minister of the Marxist regime of Ethiopia. In 2017, Tedros tried to appoint then-Zimbabwe dictator Robert Mugabe as a WHO goodwill ambassador, and he seems to have a soft spot for China.
The Council on Foreign Relations think tank said last week that Tedros owes China because it backed him in the election to become director-general in 2017.
SEE ALSO
Trump taps Pence to spearhead US effort to fight coronavirus Tedros denies kowtowing to Beijing, but not only did he advise governments not to restrict travel from China at the start of the epidemic, he was slow to declare a global health emergency and praised China for its “transparency,” although the Communist authorities there had been covering up the spread of the disease.
So ignoring Tedros turned out to be one of the president’s smartest decisions.
At the press conference with Trump on Saturday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the highly respected head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, praised the “original decision that was made by the president … [that] prevented travel from China to the United States.
“If we had not done that, we would have had many, many more cases right here that we would have to be dealing with.”
Trump’s travel restrictions began on Jan. 31. Australia and Singapore instituted their own travel limits the next day. Trump’s move bought valuable time to slow the spread of the virus and ease pressure on the nation’s health system before a vaccine is developed — which experts believe is at least 18 months away.
But that hasn’t stopped the barrage of fake criticisms, including that Trump had left the nation dangerously unprepared to cope with a pandemic by cutting funding for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Not true. The CDC’s programming budget increased from $7.2 billion in 2019 to nearly $7.7 billion this year, the Associated Press fact-checking unit reported. Trump had proposed a cut, but Congress rejected it.
It’s reprehensible for the Democrats to make political hay by blaming Trump for the coronavirus or, as a New York Times op-ed piece called it, “Trumpvirus.”
In an editorial Saturday, the Gray Lady also reiterated its debunked claim that Trump has “muzzled” Fauci.
Yet at Saturday’s 2 p.m. press conference — hours before the Times’ deadline — Fauci emphatically denied the claim.
“I have never been muzzled, ever, and I’ve been doing this since the administration of Ronald Reagan,” Fauci said. “I’m not being muzzled by this administration. That was a real misrepresentation of what happened.”
What shoddy journalism to publish such an incendiary, anonymously sourced claim, without at least including Fauci’s denial.
The anti-Trump narrative rolled on, with increasingly silly attacks. The Washington Post speculated that the coronavirus could be “Trump’s Katrina,” referring to Hurricane Katrina, the response to which had been bungled by President George W. Bush.
When Trump announced a coronavirus task force with the most eminent experts in the nation, CNN blasted him for a “lack of diversity.”
You could hardly blame the president for calling all this unfair criticism the “new hoax” of the Democrats and Resistance media, to try to take him down, like the Russia collusion hoax and the impeachment gambit. Of course, then his opponents twisted his words to pretend he had called the coronavirus a “hoax.”
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Trump: Democrats' coronavirus criticism just their latest 'hoax' The obvious untruth was spread by established journalists such as Dana Millbank of the Washington Post, who tweeted Friday night: “Remember this moment: Trump, in South Carolina, just called the coronavirus a ‘hoax.’”
When Trump pointed out that he had said no such thing, which the footage of his remarks confirms, the Daily News claimed yesterday he had “backed away from his claim that the coronavirus is a ‘hoax.’”
This is Twitter-level disinformation.
Michael Bloomberg is as bad. After spending days accusing the president of dismissing the spread of the virus as a hoax, he had the nerve to take out ads on prime-time TV Sunday saying the epidemic “requires putting politics and partisanship aside.” Hah! In our dreams.
The problem is that Trump Derangement Syndrome stands in the way of the bipartisan cooperation required to defeat this epidemic.
This is the me first country. Bet he was republican.
He was a She and that sort of comment is asinine. You are part of the problem - I am seeing from you more and more divisive comments. When you stoop to the level of the dumbest denominator on the "other side" you already lost.
How about you shut up and stay off my ass. YOU thinking you have the right to police every damn thing I post is the lowest common denominator... I'm sick of you every other day saying some crap like this to me and getting your feathers ruffled. If you don't like my posts then ignore me. If it's on my mind, I say it. JUST LIKE THIS - Take your cancel culture attacks and shove them.
Says the guy that uses "The Young Turks" hosted by the wackos Cenk Uygur & Ana Kasparian as a source!
Way more credible, not even cloze. Nobody from the blaze gets invited to any MSM stations for commentary. And if they do, nobody knows them. But you know my people, don't you?
He was a She and that sort of comment is asinine. You are part of the problem - I am seeing from you more and more divisive comments. When you stoop to the level of the dumbest denominator on the "other side" you already lost.
For one thing, he could have agreed and supported the experts at the CDC and helped send the American people a reliable and consistent message rather than contradicting them and creating a situation where the American people had no clue what the truth really was.
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And how much money was put towards testing?
He refused to use the WHO approved test which was being used on a global level. Had he chosen to adopt using the existing tests, we would have had millions of test kits available long before now.
In the past you have been one who feels that just throwing money at a problem isn't always the answer. That sometimes a little common sense is a better solution. I think refusing to use an existing test while throwing money at the problem is a prime example of that.
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I think it's the underlings (experts) jobs to make recommendations to him. I don't want him making any decisions regarding health. He's not trained in that area. The CDC should be leading the way. It's their literal name. Center For Disease Control.
Yet for weeks he contradicted everything they were saying and many of his blind followers believed him.
People blame the media for the panic of the people. And to an extent that's true. But at the same time those very same people ignore the fact that when the health experts in your country and the president are sending opposite and very mixed messages, it causes those very same results.
Timeline: How Trump was out of step with the CDC during coronavirus response
I think it finally got to the point he had to face the facts head on. I'm glad to hear him doing that. Even though at the same time he's pointing the fingers at Democrats for the H1N1 outbreak. I mean if it's not on a teleprompter can this man ever stay on message?
Let's be honest here. At least the Democrats learned something from the H1N1 outbreak. They set up a pandemic team to address such situation when they came along in 2011. Of course Trump fired them in 2018 because, "Nobody could have seen this coming", right?
To start, I want to say Donald Trump is not responsible for the Coronavirus. We don't know who is responsible. It was likely an accident. The Coronavirus was going to make its way to the United States no matter what. The handling of the situation in the United States is what I'm here to discuss.
Leadership is a hard thing. You must be willing to put others before yourself and your own self-interests. In order to do that you must have character. Because Donald Trump's character is so poor he is a terrible leader.
It seems Trump's main goal from the start of the Coronavirus pandemic was to suppress different events. Whether it was the severity of the virus itself (he said the flu had a higher death rate, which is a lie) or not wanting a cruise ship to dock because, in Trump's own words, "I would rather -- because I like the numbers being where they are. I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship."
Furthermore, Trump has made poor choices in handling the Coronavirus once he, somewhat, acknowledged its seriousness. He appointed Mike Pence the head of the task force to handle the virus. Mike Pence. Whether or not is good at his job, or anything, is a different story. Donald Trump has access to the brightest minds in the country and he appointed a person who has no experience in the field to head the task force. This is egregious, especially considering he had Dr. Anthony Fauci working on the problem. Not appointing the best possible people to work on a problem that you are not an expert on is poor leadership.
Well thought out decisions are another sign of a good leadership. Donald Trump does not know how to make a decision without taking himself out the of the equation. That leads to poor decisions daily. The World Health Organization offered to send tests for the Coronavirus to the United States. The United States rejected the tests (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/06/coronavirus-testing-failure-123166). Why? We don't know. Now we are short on tests.
Lies. Bad leaders lie. Unfortunately for Donald Trump the smartest scientists in the world dispute basically everything. Trump said the virus would go away in the summer (no one who knew anything agreed with this). It is summer in Australia. They are preparing a nationwide shutdown of schools and gatherings of over 500 people. On February 24th Trump claimed, "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA." Since the claim, on February 24th, there were 53 cases of the virus. Today there are over 1000 that we know about (if only we had more tests). On February 26th Trump said this, " I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” And he said: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done." Trump lied and said the death rate for the flu is much higher than the virus(https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-sta...ess-conference/). This is not true. Trump said the virus will go away like a miracle (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-sta...erican-leaders/). Trump said a vaccine will be available "relatively soon", scientists disagree. The aforementioned Dr. Fauci told Trump, before this comment, that a vaccine would take a year to a year and a half. In Trump's address to the nation on March 11th he said, "Earlier this week, I met with the leaders of the health insurance industry who have agreed to waive all co-payments for coronavirus treatments, extend insurance coverage to these treatments, and to prevent surprise medical billing." There are a lot more. Lying is horrible on its face but its after effects are worse. It leads to lack of trust and misinformation.
Lack of accountability. Trump repeatedly has blamed others for the problems he is currently facing. His main target is President Barack Obama. Any failings Obama had during his tenure as president have nothing to do with the current crisis other than to deflect attention away from the actual problem. Not taking responsibility for problems when you are in charge is the ultimate sign of a poor leader. It causes people who work for you to lose respect and trust in you because they know the actual situation.
I have no idea why they keep repeating the lie that people blame Trump for the virus. The only thing I can think of is that it makes them feel better about themselves.
After todays announcement, it is clear he has been working on this for some time.
You don't just bring all the facets he has together in a day.
All of this was coordinated and planned, so that when he did call a National Emergency, he could explain the plan. What the Government was going to do, what business and medical research were charged with.
Calling an emergency without a clear plan wouldn't put people at ease. He brought in many from the business sector. Several large Pharma's, large pharmacy companies like Walgreens, Wal-Mart who has the delivery points and the distribution know how.
He was a She and that sort of comment is asinine. You are part of the problem - I am seeing from you more and more divisive comments. When you stoop to the level of the dumbest denominator on the "other side" you already lost.
Just wanted to say, you're learning.
You need to shut up too, put people on ignore to hide from them then make snide comments every chance you get. That's got to be a new low form of cowardice or something. Swish called you out for it the other day and I bit my tongue, but now you are going to get blasted for it if you do it again. I have left you alone since the day I was hard on you, letting you know you don't matter to me, but here we are again.
Again in his most recent oval office telecast Trump said, "Earlier this week, I met with the leaders of the health insurance industry who have agreed to waive all co-payments for coronavirus treatments, extend insurance coverage to these treatments, and to prevent surprise medical billing."
This was not true.
Trump said the virus would "go away like a miracle."
Trump said the death rate for the flu was higher than the virus.
Trump said the virus would go away in the summer with no evidence.
Trump continues to blame Obama, who was president over three years ago, despite it accomplishing nothing.
All of these were either fabrications or outright lies. If any one of us made one mistake as large as any of those we would be reprimanded at the very least and definitely fired if we made all of them.
This is doing a "wonderful job". If you think Trump has done a wonderful job with regards to the coronavirus you are either in the tank or aren't paying attention.
Any attempt to do anything other than help the public is despicable. Many people are going to die and if politicians are trying to add pork to the bill that will help them that is not honorable.
All the links you provided are right wing propaganda sites and I don't believe anything they have to say on any subject.
Luckily it seems as though both sides have recently come to a deal that will be passed soon.
This will probably go over like a bag of rocks thrown off a boat into deep waters, but we are in the infancy of a true crisis.
Political finger-pointing and heated exchanges have been part of our culture for a long time.
However.............it's time for us to all come together. To unite in a common cause to not allow this virus to devastate us. I'm talking about health. I am talking about financially. I am talking about as a nation.
There are times to fight. There times to unite. It's time to do the latter. We need strong leadership on many fronts. We need folks to work together instead of focusing on personal gain or allowing personal biases to grind things to a halt.
We are the United States of America and we've united during some dark periods. We can go back to fighting one another after this over, but right now, we need to come together as one in this nation and not allow this awful virus to conquer us.
He was a She and that sort of comment is asinine. You are part of the problem - I am seeing from you more and more divisive comments. When you stoop to the level of the dumbest denominator on the "other side" you already lost.
Just wanted to say, you're learning.
You need to shut up too, put people on ignore to hide from them then make snide comments every chance you get. That's got to be a new low form of cowardice or something. Swish called you out for it the other day and I bit my tongue, but now you are going to get blasted for it if you do it again. I have left you alone since the day I was hard on you, letting you know you don't matter to me, but here we are again.
You keep replying to me. I took you off ignore. I realize now why I put you on ignore. You're way out there. And, from a pm you sent me, I know why.
Pit is off ignore also. But, I don't know a single person that, had they received the pm I did from him, would care to read his stuff.
He was a She and that sort of comment is asinine. You are part of the problem - I am seeing from you more and more divisive comments. When you stoop to the level of the dumbest denominator on the "other side" you already lost.
Just wanted to say, you're learning.
You need to shut up too, put people on ignore to hide from them then make snide comments every chance you get. That's got to be a new low form of cowardice or something. Swish called you out for it the other day and I bit my tongue, but now you are going to get blasted for it if you do it again. I have left you alone since the day I was hard on you, letting you know you don't matter to me, but here we are again.
You keep replying to me. I took you off ignore. I realize now why I put you on ignore. You're way out there. And, from a pm you sent me, I know why.
Pit is off ignore also. But, I don't know a single person that, had they received the pm I did from him, would care to read his stuff.
So, both of you, have at me.
I don't need or want to have at you. Just sick of the little shots you like to take. And I'm glad you took us off ignore.
I think I killed this thread by asking us to unite. LOL
Yo.........what's wrong w/generating positive thoughts that will help us all? Why do we have to destroy one another to survive?
Nothing. I'm starting to see that happen. I'm seeing a lot of little things start to form today on social media around food and money collections for families impacted by this. Last time I saw something like this was in 2012 when there was a huge evacuation for a wildfire. I saw people open their homes to complete strangers.
Bro, I get it..................but this thing is real.
F.........all that political BS. We gots to do what we gots to do. We did it in 9/11. We did it during other periods of distress.
I was a coach and teacher, bro...........motivation is my thing. Let's unite. Most of us are really good people. Yeah, there are a lot of idiots out there, but most of us are good. I'd never hurt you and you would never hurt me. I believe that. We might fight, but we'd have each others backs if went down.
This is the same thing on a grander scale. Time for us to unite. Let's kick this damn Covid's ass!
On 9/11, in just a few hours, the world changed forever. It was like a child losing their innocence to a living nightmare.
This coronavirus is scary, but it's not a zombie apocalypse and it's not 9/11. I'm in the highest risk group on everything except age. Heart:check, Diabetes:Check, COPD:check... but crapping my pants is not an option at this point. I've survived 5 heart attacks and a DVT blood clot the length of my leg, I'll be damned if this thing is taking me out.
Asking people to come together and think about their neighbors is good, I agree. Hoping people can find and display some compassion is good, I agree. But this will pass just like the brotherhood felt after 9/11 passed. So don't get your hopes up that this will solve the political issues, because IMHO I don't see that happening.
If you really want people to come together you have to give them something to rally for or against. Something like MC4A. If we had that right now, nobody would be freaking out over how to pay for tests or hospitals. If we had a dedicated government that worked to improve the standard of living for all of us, instead of insuring opulence for the few born into or lucky enough make it into the elite class, then a lot of the pressures we are feeling during this crisis wouldn't exist. Paid leave would mean not missing those paychecks like life depended on every second of labor you can sell. MC4A would mean not sweating the medical costs no matter how bad you are hit. Tuition free college would mean not having a lack of trained medical personnel. Knowing your government has your back would mean you could go actually buy toilet paper because people wouldn't have to feel like they needed to hoard. And lastly, when everybody has the opportunity and structure to be successful and the safety net to not be afraid to try then everyone does better and contributes more... That does a whole lot of divide healing right there, just knowing life is not a ruthless competition for scraps but plentiful enough for all. Just saying, kumbaya that a moment.
EDIT: And the crowd saying "but how are you going to pay for it?" should realize that budget cuts and not believing in science put us here today. If we had maintained a competent team of professionals to plan and handle these situations, we would be looking at how to test everyone, or a shortage of ICU rooms and ventilators. Nope, we would have acted faster, maybe got in front of it or been way more prepared for it from the get go. SO those people should now be asking how we are going to pay for NOT doing that.
Except others right there with guns and militia if thing start to get so scarce that taking what you need by force becomes necessary. 40% of America can't handle a $400 emergency! If the economy and or government were to collapse suddenly, that would mean about 140 Million extremely desperate people out there looking to survive by any means possible. What makes you think a bunch of good ole boys with guns could control that and keep you safe? lmao, clueless.
Except others right there with guns and militia if thing start to get so scarce that taking what you need by force becomes necessary. 40% of America can't handle a $400 emergency! If the economy and or government were to collapse suddenly, that would mean about 140 Million extremely desperate people out there looking to survive by any means possible. What makes you think a bunch of good ole boys with guns could control that and keep you safe? lmao, clueless.
I don't. I said 'others right there', meaning around you.
I don't even own any guns any more. Younger me had a hairpin temper and very little regard for dumbassery but I had guns in my home; figured out that was not a good combo so I kept them locked up all the time. Then when my kids got a little older and I had settled down some, I thought it best for to get rid of them for safety sake. Since then I've never felt the need to have them, especially when the grandkids are around. But I have entertained the idea of getting one of these:
I don't. I said 'others right there', meaning around you.
I don't even own any guns any more. Younger me had a hairpin temper and very little regard for dumbassery but I had guns in my home; figured out that was not a good combo so I kept them locked up all the time. Then when my kids got a little older and I had settled down some, I thought it best for to get rid of them for safety sake. Since then I've never felt the need to have them, especially when the grandkids are around. But I have entertained the idea of getting one of these:
Can never have enough weaponry. Provided you know how to use and secure it.
I live alone, so I have no problem with having guns around.
After todays announcement, it is clear he has been working on this for some time.
You don't just bring all the facets he has together in a day.
All of this was coordinated and planned, so that when he did call a National Emergency, he could explain the plan. What the Government was going to do, what business and medical research were charged with.
Calling an emergency without a clear plan wouldn't put people at ease. He brought in many from the business sector. Several large Pharma's, large pharmacy companies like Walgreens, Wal-Mart who has the delivery points and the distribution know how.
Looks to me like it is all hands on deck.
I think the President has done a wonderful job.
Way too late. The toothpaste is out of the tube. trump stomped on it. Huge fail.
And he and pence has done a wonderful job of lying to us. “If you want tested you can get tested.”
Remember all the times you all roasted Obama on keeping your doctor? Probably not.
Selective memory? Hypocrisy runs rampant. Pffft the trump era.
Trump didn't push for more coronavirus testing because he was concerned that high infection numbers might dent his reelection chances, report says
President Donald Trump did not push for more coronavirus testing because he thought that higher infection rates would dent his reelection chances, Politico's Dan Diamond told NPR on Thursday.
Diamond, who covers health policy for the outlet, was asked about the Trump administration's early response to the outbreak and about concerns that the government had not done enough to stem the outbreak across the country.
"My understanding is he did not push to do aggressive additional testing in recent weeks, and that's partly because more testing might have led to more cases being discovered of coronavirus outbreak, and the president had made clear: The lower the numbers on coronavirus, the better for the president, the better for his potential reelection this fall," Diamond said, according to an NPR transcript.
US health authorities have tested about 12,000 people for the disease since January, while authorities in South Korea have tested as many as 10,000 people a day.
Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar also "has not always given the president the worst-case scenario of what could happen," Diamond told NPR.
In response to a request for comment, a Department of Health and Human Services representative directed Business Insider to a tweet from NPR clarifying that it was Trump and not Azar who did not push for more testing facilities.
The White House declined to speak on the record.
According to multiple reports, one of Trump's key concerns in the early weeks of the outbreak was how negative statements from health officials could affect the financial markets. The president has long regarded the health of the markets as a barometer for the strength of his presidency.
Trump's statements seeking to project optimism and downplay the threat of the virus have been at odds with the somber warnings of health officials.
"It goes away," Trump told reporters on Wednesday. "It's going away. We want it to go away with very, very few deaths."
At a White House briefing last week, he was corrected by Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, after falsely claiming that a vaccine for the virus would soon be available.
There has been widespread confusion about the availability of coronavirus test kits in the country, and the Trump administration has faced mounting allegations that it failed to ensure adequate testing capabilities.
Trump claimed last week that anyone who wanted a test could get one, but reports from across the country have described difficulties in procuring testing kits.
On Tuesday, Fauci told Congress that testing in the US was inadequate.
"The system is not really geared to what we need right now," Fauci said.
In a tweet on Friday morning, Trump sought to shift blame to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Obama administration.
"For decades the @CDCgov looked at, and studied, its testing system, but did nothing about it. It would always be inadequate and slow for a large scale pandemic, but a pandemic would never happen, they hoped," Trump said. "President Obama made changes that only complicated things further."
He added: "Their response to H1N1 Swine Flu was a full scale disaster, with thousands dying, and nothing meaningful done to fix the testing problem, until now. The changes have been made and testing will soon happen on a very large scale basis. All Red Tape has been cut, ready to go!"
Any post that criticizes the President or any political party Republican or Demodrat about the COVID - 19 is just plain and simply "STUPID".
China somehow created this strain of virus and in today's global world people from all over the world spend times in different countries. Once the virus gets out stopping it is like stopping Cold and Flu season from coming around every year.
Nobody blame Trump for the coronavirus, but we do blame him for how he's addressed it! Big difference, but if you are too 'stupid' you can't see that.
Seriously, this thing is getting ready to hit and instead of maximizing the time they had to prepare testing and the people, they tried to minimize it. The market would not have fell so bad with some honesty and people first leadership.
Nobody blame Trump for the coronavirus, but we do blame him for how he's addressed it! Big difference, but if you are too 'stupid' you can't see that.
Seriously, this thing is getting ready to hit and instead of maximizing the time they had to prepare testing and the people, they tried to minimize it. The market would not have fell so bad with some honesty and people first leadership.
Go ahead and play politics with the disease. Even the Governor of California said the Administration gave them all they needed and has been great to work with.
Both put aside political differences and worked together. We need to see more of that in today's world.
The Democrats see bigger government and more agencies as the answer to the problem. Trump and the Republicans see the experts in medicine and the private sector as the answer to the problem. We can discuss later which was more effective. But, playing politics with Covid 19 is a losing political issue at this point.
January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”
February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”
March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”
March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”
March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”
March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”
March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”
March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”
March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”
March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”
March 9: “This blindsided the world.”
Friday the 13th: Declares national state of emergency.
Again in his most recent oval office telecast Trump said, "Earlier this week, I met with the leaders of the health insurance industry who have agreed to waive all co-payments for coronavirus treatments, extend insurance coverage to these treatments, and to prevent surprise medical billing."
This was not true.
Trump said the virus would "go away like a miracle."
Trump said the death rate for the flu was higher than the virus.
Trump said the virus would go away in the summer with no evidence.
Trump continues to blame Obama, who was president over three years ago, despite it accomplishing nothing.
All of these were either fabrications or outright lies. If any one of us made one mistake as large as any of those we would be reprimanded at the very least and definitely fired if we made all of them.
This is doing a "wonderful job". If you think Trump has done a wonderful job with regards to the coronavirus you are either in the tank or aren't paying attention.
Yet we see someone saying the way he handled it was "wonderful". I guess they expect him to lie and now have adopted it as a "wonderful" thing.
Trump is breaking every rule in the CDC’s 450-page playbook for health crisis
The communication chaos on coronavirus is eroding the most powerful weapon we have: Public trust
Amid an outbreak where vaccines, drug treatments and even sufficient testing don’t yet exist, communication that is delivered early, accurately and credibly is the strongest medicine in the government’s arsenal.
But the Trump administration’s zigzagging, defensive, inconsistent messages about the novel coronavirus continued Friday, breaking almost every rule in the book and eroding the most powerful weapon officials possess: Public trust.
After disastrous communications during the 2001 anthrax attacks — when white powder in envelopes sparked widespread panic — the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention created a 450-page manual outlining how U.S. leaders should talk to the public during crises.
Protecting vulnerable people from a virus that, according to some projections, could infect millions and kill hundreds of thousands, depends on U.S. leaders issuing clear public health instructions and the public’s trust to follow directions that could save their lives.
“Sometimes it seems like they have literally thrown out the book,” said Joshua Sharfstein, a former top FDA official and Johns Hopkins University professor who is using the CDC manual to teach a crisis communication class. “We’re studying what to do — and at times seeing what not to do — on the same day.”
Two weeks ago, Trump said the country would soon have zero cases. This week, there were more than 2,200 and 49 deaths. When asked at a news conference Friday why he disbanded the White House’s pandemic office, Trump denied doing so, saying, “I didn’t do it … I don’t know anything about it.” When asked if he bore any responsibility for disastrous delays in testing, Trump said no, blaming instead “circumstances” and “regulations” created by others. When asked if Americans should believe Trump or his top health official, Anthony S. Fauci — whom Trump has contradicted repeatedly — Trump sidestepped the question.
“For those of us in this field, this is profoundly and deeply distressing,” said Matthew Seeger, a risk communication expert at Wayne State University who developed the CDC guidebook alongside many top doctors, public health researchers, scientists, consultants and behavioral psychologists.
“It’s creating higher levels of anxiety, higher levels of uncertainty and higher levels of social disruption. … We spent decades training people and investing in developing this competency. We know how to do this.”
For three years, the Trump administration has often taken a hostile stance to science and its practitioners, but health crisis experts say it’s not too late and the fruits of their research — like the CDC’s 450-page manual — are waiting, untapped, to serve as a road map to help leaders navigate the growing pandemic.
The fundamental principles behind good public health communication are almost stunningly simple: Be consistent. Be accurate. Don’t withhold vital information, the CDC manual says. And above all, don’t let anyone onto the podium without the preparation, knowledge and discipline to deliver vital health messages.
Experts say that means not having multiple messengers jockeying for attention with completely different information. It means not overly reassuring people in the face of a threat that is likely to sicken many and kill some. It also means expressing empathy while also delivering information that may be scary. Tell people what they can and should do at an individual level to help those who are at greatest risk.
“It’s in the nature of leaders sometimes to want to tell everybody we have everything under control,” said Michael Palenchar, a crisis communications expert at the University of Tennessee at Knoxville. “We know overwhelmingly that research suggests that’s detrimental to health and safety.”
Palenchar was one of more than 180 who contributed to the CDC manual, including experts from the CDC, American Red Cross, FBI and EPA as well as federal and state health departments.
They compiled a list of pitfalls to avoid — a list that has begun to look a lot like the administration’s playbook.
Nearly every day since the coronavirus landed in America, the White House has issued “mixed and conflicting messages from multiple sources,” the first guideline in the manual’s list of potentially harmful practices. “Overly reassuring and unrealistic communication” has come from the highest levels of government. The “perception that certain groups are gaining preferential treatment” has become a problem with health care workers complaining they can’t get tested while two asymptomatic Trump allies in Congress, Celine Dion and the members of the Utah Jazz basketball team were able to access tests.
Crucial messaging also appears to be failing to reach or convince many in America. Nearly 50 million in the country are 65 or older — the most vulnerable age group for severe symptoms and death. But many are shrugging off pleas for them to practice social distancing. At The Villages, a sprawling Florida retirement community, many seniors said the crisis is being overblown and talked of continuing their normal lives.
The CDC manual devotes an entire chapter to “choosing the right spokesperson,” someone who gives the government and its message “a human form.” But the government’s leading health experts have had to repeatedly cede the microphone to politicians — with the nation’s top health officials repeatedly canceling news conferences to make room for Vice President Pence or Trump or to avoid upstaging other White House announcements.
Last week, instead of holding CDC’s news conference focused on coronavirus, Trump toured the CDC in front of cameras, telling the public, “Anybody right now and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. And the tests are beautiful.” This Friday, CDC’s press call was canceled again so that Trump could hold his Rose Garden news conference.
In recent days, rather than having one voice, the spokesperson role has ping ponged among Pence, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, Fauci and Trump. Trump in particular checks off many of attributes the manual specifically warns against. The spokesperson must be “familiar with the subject matter” and have the “ability to talk about it clearly and with confidence.”
Since taking office, Trump has ousted scientists, muzzled researchers and suppressed basic information on climate change. Public health officials worry that his erosion of public trust of science, coupled with the ongoing conflicting messaging between experts and politicians, is making it unclear whom the public should listen to.
“I’m fearful we’ve continued to undermine our belief that subject matter experts are people we should listen to,” said Seeger, the Wayne State professor. “We’ve done a good job over the last couple decades of undermining science and telling people scientists aren’t to be believed.”
All semester long, Johns Hopkins professor Sharfstein has been drilling the principles of the CDC manual into the class he teaches at Johns Hopkins. On Thursday, as the White house issued more contradictory statements, his students — a mix of undergrad and graduate students — debated the Trump administration’s response, which has served as a real-time master class for what not to do in a crisis.
They compared it to historical blunders in health communications: the 2009 H1N1 swine flu pandemic, when officials gave overly optimistic timetables on vaccines, and bungled messaging by British leaders on mad cow disease in the 1990s, which led to millions in economic damage to the country’s beef industry.
Similarly, several students noted, the messaging disasters in recent weeks have muddled and overshadowed lifesaving health advice to the public.
Many of his students were especially puzzled by the Trump administration’s reluctance to admit fault on its dire problems in testing for the coronavirus.
“They have so much less credibility because of that,” said one student, noting how questions of what went wrong keep dominating congressional hearings and news conferences — making it hard to get instructions to the public on how to prepare and suppress the spreading virus.
Another empathized with Trump officials: “It’s a fine line between apologizing and putting yourself out there for attacks.”
Sharfstein — who served as Maryland’s health secretary and a top FDA official in the Obama administration — asked his students whether they thought the Trump administration would be willing to make a partial admission: “Obviously something has gone wrong. There will be time to assess what went wrong, but right now here’s what I’m focused on to fix the problem.”
Students began workshopping what the White House could do to right the ship:
— Tell Americans, “We made mistakes. Here’s how we’re going to fix them.”
— Stop pretending testing is fine. Explain what solutions are underway
— One student simply cited the cover of the CDC manual: “Be first. Be right. Be credible.”
Yes you do you are smarter than that ... It's an argument that goes nowhere but to hate, and hate isn't good for either side in anything ... besides it wasn't meat for you anyway
If people refuse to admit their mistakes, if they don't own up to them and learn from them, then we're all doomed to see those mistakes repeated.
The only hate going on is by those pretending those mistakes weren't made. They become defensive and use denial. Try to turn the tables to blame others.
The fact that we disagree on our politics doesn't mean we won't band together to help one another. Those are two separate things. I would help every single poster on this board if I am able to regardless of their politics.
Stopped in Kroger to grab some burger they have on sale and some butter I forgot to buy yesterday. The meat cases were almost completely empty, same with dairy butter and milk. Only butter was $6 half pound euro style. There were a few gallons of 1%/skim and some almond milk. Can foods 80% empty. Tissue/toilet paper empty. Produce almost empty. I seriously looked like the old USSR food ration pics of their stores. Yet people were still wheeling out full carts of food, some two and three at a time.
I asked the butcher if they were restocking in the AM and was told their trucks had been cancelled. I have no idea what they are going to sell tomorrow.
Much the same at my Kroger. They did have organic milk though. More expensive but still bought some. One thing of note, so many people seem to be in survival mode they have forgotten all about St. Patricks Day. Cabbage, baby carrots, potatoes and corned beef brisket were all available.
No one will respond to the single biggest reason the spread has been widely held at bay... compared to other countries.
The fingers go directly in their ears and they move on to the next (or same) narrative. I'm sure <insert any democratic president's name> would have handled it a lot better.
It's all childish. We're lucky our leaders and society have taken great measures to make us safe. That's why were great. Making it about Trump is silly anyway.
My Dad gave me a list of things the shotgun needs to have:
410 shotgun semiauto nbr4 shell no choke, short barrel, 00buck
This appears to have that. I don't know if the AR part makes it better or worse because I don't understand how it makes it different than a regular shotgun other than appearance.
If you're going with a shotgun I recommend the Winchester defender. It doesn't look as you know, how do you say, "bad ass", but it works just as well at a fraction of the cost.
I mean if heaven forbid the time comes you would have to use it comes, I don't think you plan to let the perp look it over first anyway.
I never understood the need for a gun to be all decked out to make it look tough anyway. Both serve the same function just as well.
I guess a part can be switched to shoot 5.56 rounds? I won't need that part. Although it might be good to have. Unless I misunderstand what that means.
No one will respond to the single biggest reason the spread has been widely held at bay... compared to other countries.
Are you aware that our official numbers are simply BS????????????????
We aren't testing. We don't know who the hell has this.
Yes, I am. Has nothing to do with the fact that the most important decision, with the highest impact, was made six weeks ago by our president. He was all but crucified by the same peanut gallery that constantly cries "racist" at everything he does and says.
We aren't testing because the imbeciles at the CDC can't even get the test right... and the FDA complicates matters even more. Quick question for anyone with an IQ higher than 12... With a shortage of tests and a crappy infrastructure and pipeline for the testing procedure as a whole ~ should we waste time and resources demanding that anyone testing positive should be tested twice?? Didn't think so.
Next: Get the private sector involved... They'll do things five times faster and ten times better. Trump put giants in the same room for a week, bitter rivals, they all walked out like they were in love with each other - each vowing to do their best to expedite the process and grab the bull by it's horns.
I'm not a huge Trump fan, there's nothing to say that anyone else couldn't do better. BUT - the early travel ban allowed us to buy enough time to see the real danger - and act appropriately. It was the right (and most important) decision. Complaining and nit-picking about all the other periphery bs is mind-numbing.
I don't really care to get into the politics of it, but this has been mismanaged and we've been forced to react.
As for traveling internationally, I know of two people (anecdotal, I know) that returned from Italy and France withi the past four days and the extra screening when they've arrived back at customs amounted to, "Where have you been?" "How long long where you there?" "Ok, welcome home."
I'd be leery of that hybrid. You'd probably be better off just buying a Mossberg or Remington 20ga tactical. They hold more rounds and you get more bang for the buck than with a .410 while still having much less recoil than a 12ga. Read this:
There is one of our managers that went on a cruise and came back home last Sunday. I told him before he left that he might have an extended vacation, so be ready. He went and docked in Mexico, Honduras and looped into the Bahamas. When he went into every country, they basically said welcome and nothing more. When the cruise came back into the US, i asked him for sure they checked your temp, asked you where you were and he said they didn't do anything, they had me look into an IPAD and that was the facial recognition for his passport and he walked through and they never said/did anything else.
No one will respond to the single biggest reason the spread has been widely held at bay... compared to other countries.
The fingers go directly in their ears and they move on to the next (or same) narrative. I'm sure <insert any democratic president's name> would have handled it a lot better.
It's all childish. We're lucky our leaders and society have taken great measures to make us safe. That's why were great. Making it about Trump is silly anyway.
It has not been held at bay...we just didn't test for 4 or 5 weeks and now this is going pretty much explode all over the country. And they can bs all they want now on the numbers but we are in for a surprise in about 2 weeks when the hospitals start getting overwhelmed.
And I think Gov Dewine of Ohio has done a really good job so far.
Stopped in Kroger to grab some burger they have on sale and some butter I forgot to buy yesterday. The meat cases were almost completely empty, same with dairy butter and milk. Only butter was $6 half pound euro style. There were a few gallons of 1%/skim and some almond milk. Can foods 80% empty. Tissue/toilet paper empty. Produce almost empty. I seriously looked like the old USSR food ration pics of their stores. Yet people were still wheeling out full carts of food, some two and three at a time.
I asked the butcher if they were restocking in the AM and was told their trucks had been cancelled. I have no idea what they are going to sell tomorrow.
Luckily we have had a good plan starting when this started out in Washington state that we looked at things we might need in the house and on most of the items we were at about a 1-2 week supply left and we went out before the crowds and got hand sanitizer, oats, TP, Water, pasta, sauce, conditioning salts and filters, frozen foods, medicines, lysol, bleach, hand soaps, dog food, etc
We went out Thursday night for my wifes mom and Sams Club was stripped clean and it looked substantially busier than the weekend before Christmas; it was insane. We ended not getting much for her.
And because i go out and buy alot when there are big sales and my wife is always "why did you buy this, we dont have the room", we order a deep chest freezer today-we have been looking for a couple years and we decided its better to have some stock of frozen rather than to try to "just in time" all of our frozen items.
It has two magazine tubes, each holding 7, 2-3/4 inch shells or 6-3 inch shells. Whats even more interesting it will hold 12 of the Aguila mini shot shells in each tube, and it cycles them beautifully.
This is a bullpup shotgun, which is to say the action and magazine are behind the trigger. This shortens the shotgun to just 26 inches and what makes it by far the best option for home defense. If you're having to move through your home, you don't want a long rifle barrel being hindered by narrow hallways or furniture.
You may already know this, but it never hurts to say it. Use bird or buck shot only. Save the slugs for the range. Since you're responsible for the ammo your weapon fires, you want to know it will not penetrate your walls and keep traveling outside your premise. There's no reason to risk hitting an innocent person.
The Picatinny rails let you dress it appropriately as well.
Versatile: it's all on record, because each of these statements were made in public- and recorded (every public comment that is made by the standing POTUS is recorded for archival posterity).
He said that s#... because that's exactly how he thinks.
It's a running (verifiable) narrative of his attempts to minimize/downplay/obfuscate/redirect the seriousness of the situation, when he should have been leading from in front of the headlines like any- no, EVERY other president has done in times like these.
I understand the desire for some of us to want to "put politics behind" this issue, but I'm sorry... we simply cannot be so myopic and naive as to give this stunningly stupid person the keys to Our Country for another 4 years, given the slop-ass way he's handled this crisis.
2 years ago, he fired the very people who were most qualified to handle a nationwide/worldwide health crises just like this. People who were already in place, because previous Executive Administrations saw fit to employ non-partisan science-based oversight personnel to protect The Public Good.
These people were already in place and busy doing their jobs. Until Donald John Trump took office. He noticed that the commission had Barack Obama's name attached to it, and said: "This s# is gone." Even though the commission existed back into the Bush43 years.
And his MAGAmaniacs cheered. Because it "pwned the Libs."
Only problem: anyone who stood up to this fool was branded with the "lib" label. Which means that anyone who:
deals in facts/data trusts the Scientific Process Stayed awake in Biology speaks truths verifiable by observable data
...was branded as "Anti-Trump."
-which tells you all you need to know about Trump and his most rabid supporters.
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All you 60+ DawgTalkin' TrumpHumpers should consider your survival odds when your dumazz Ft. Lauderdale/Cancun-partying spring break grandkids come back to the homestead- and propel a 40-second close-conversation salivary aerosol feed into your ignorant FOX-sucking faces y'all gather at your next annual Easter Family Gathering.
Breathe deep, Gramps. Get all close and intimate. Do it with intent... so you can pwn some Libs.
Then pray that this Easter Gathering isn't your last.
Gonna be a whole lotta "slow singin' and flower bringin'" come May/June/July. "GrandDad- we wish we had more time..."
Well... GrandDad should have listened to medical professionals and epidemiologists instead of Donald f'kng Trump.
To those who say that "This isn't the time to take things political" I say this:
This is exactly the time to make/take things political. Because the level/quality of civic support we find RIGHT FKKING NOW is the level we can expect the next time something like this happens.
And something will happen. Because something ALWAYS happens. It's called: Daily Life.
If we don't hold this inept admin responsible for their lethargic, obfuscating, denial-based response to this unfolding crisis, we risk seeing them playing the next scenario out in the exact same manner when the next existential crisis comes 'round.
Because Donald Trump doesn't learn. Anything. And his support group is a collection of 3rd and 4th string also-rans who are the only people willing to take jobs under his watch.
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Those quotes you read are verifiable quotes that our standing POTUS has uttered. They are recorded, logged in... and are now part of the official US White House narrative.
It would be nice to promote a Kumbaya moment about this, but before that happens, this country needs to acknowledge what this man did, and how it now impacts everyday life for all of us.
He tore apart and s#-canned the very commission that was designed to protect us from a scourge like this. Because he thought it was an Obama initiative.
This isn't partisan politics. This is verifiable fact.
We can fix this problem in November. Until then, we need to mobilize, organize, knock or doors and sign up voters.
I'm doing all I can. It feels great to connect with voters, one-on-one.
It has two magazine tubes, each holding 7, 2-3/4 inch shells or 6-3 inch shells. Whats even more interesting it will hold 12 of the Aguila mini shot shells in each tube, and it cycles them beautifully.
This is a bullpup shotgun, which is to say the action and magazine are behind the trigger. This shortens the shotgun to just 26 inches and what makes it by far the best option for home defense. If you're having to move through your home, you don't want a long rifle barrel being hindered by narrow hallways or furniture.
You may already know this, but it never hurts to say it. Use bird or buck shot only. Save the slugs for the range. Since you're responsible for the ammo your weapon fires, you want to know it will not penetrate your walls and keep traveling outside your premise. There's no reason to risk hitting an innocent person.
The Picatinny rails let you dress it appropriately as well.
I like that very much. It's 12 gauge though. It's too much much gun for me. I need a 410.
I'm really not smarter than that, but I did buy a couple of nice filet mignons today.
So did I, will cook them up tonight. Might marinate them in a home devised teriyaki. I have 1 pineapple cup in the fridge. Probably use it for that after this post.
I went to Wal-Mart early on Sat. 5ish...like I usually do and it was mobbed out from the day before. I picked up a few things. Mostly sardines and canned salmon. Most Americans don't eat those. We love them, so those can usually be found. 25 cans of sardines and 8 cans of salmon cost me about $50. Another week of food for the two of us. I am talking in low consumption conditions.
Later in the day I went to my local Food City and it was pretty much business as usual. It's where I bought my prime tenderloins that were on sale. The TP was low, but they had it and had a 2 units per customer. They did a good job of managing things. IMO as soon as the managers in any store see a rush on an item, put a immediate limit on that item, even to the people already in line. If you don't like, leave and don't get any.
People panic. I think that is why the info was managed by the White House, CDC, etc. You don't just say the world is coming to an end, you slowly let people figure it out. It reduces the panic factor. Panic and resolve are different.
Speaking of panic factor which we all are seeing, though it is calming at this point. I urge all to have a way to protect what is yours. As has been pointed out, many people can't last 3-4 days before they are out of food. If they can't go to the grocery to get more, guess where they are going to start looking? Yep, at the neighbors. You have to have a means to keep them out. JMHO
If anything my fellow dawgs can take away from this is the government can't resolve every problem nor protect every citizen. It is incumbent on us to be prepared for the unexpected and help our governments, local and national do what we hope and expect them to do. Being an American does have expected responsibilities.
Obviously we can't prepare for everything but we can stock adequate food and supplies to get by for 6-8 weeks, longer once you start to self ration. The government isn't going to have food trucks on every corner in a week.
You don't have to do it all at once. Buy an extra 5 cans of this or a few packages of TP and store it away. Don't use it. It is for emergency only. Once you feel you might need to use it in a couple of years, replace it as you use it.
I have some freeze dried, but am not a big fan of that. It requires a lot of water to reconstitute and you have to cook it. I go under the assumption of having no power, so then you need a camp stove and bottles of propane. I have that, but I am talking about this as a common sense deal, not becoming a full prepper trying to be the last survivor. I don't think there is any award for that.
Same with common supplies that come in handy during a crisis. Simple things like 90% rubbing alcohol are important to have, a big jug of bleach goes a long way for cleaning a surface. A cap full in a quart of water does the trick. Have a way to start a fire. Bic Lighters are cheap. It's not expensive to store up 50. Have Tea candles...you know, they come in a little tin cup. You can buy 100 for about $4. They burn about 6 hours. It's not all that expensive to have enough to light up a few rooms for a year. They are already in a tin. Just put on a dish and forget it. You aren't going to burn your place down unless you are stupid.
Think of the basic things you need. Water, food, sanitation items to clean items and sponge your body. Basic first aid items to cleanse wounds and seal them.
Basic tools. Since you are going to have a lot of cans to open, have several can openers….manual type. You don't want your 1 to break and you are scraping cans on concrete to get them open. You waste the liquid in the can if you have to do that. That water in your can of green beans holds a lot of nutrients and helps you hydrate.
We can all do this for maybe $600. Again, everybody can do this $25 at a time. If you can't, I suggest you cancel your internet service so then you can even double or triple up your home supply.
Good luck to all, I don't think this going away any time soon. This is going to be the new normal for a good while. I really don't expect the NFL to play next season. The season after, possibly. I don't think this a one and done virus, and the common cold is a corona virus and we haven't been able to crack that code.
Lawrence O’Donnell smirks while essentially accusing Trump of mass murder
By Andrea Widburg
Two things are necessary to analyze information: (1) perspective; and (2) recognizing source bias. These tools have never been more useful than now, in a time of coronavirus.
We are not the first to suggest that Democrats in and out of the media are exploiting coronavirus for political benefit. Having failed to take President Trump down with the Russia hoax and the faux impeachment, they’re grabbing on to coronavirus, with none more openly virulent than MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell, a grinning jack-o-lantern of doom.
Here’s some perspective:
On March 13, 2020, when President Trump declared a national emergency and mobilized the entire government to fight coronavirus, there were 1,629 cases and 48 people had died. As Sharyl Attkisson detailed, all but five were over 70, with several over 80. Four others were younger but with underlying medical conditions. Seventy-seventy percent of the deaths were in Washington State.
The data were different on October 26, 2009, when President Obama declared a national emergency because of H1N1, which had then been ravaging America for seven months. For a direct comparison to coronavirus, two months after H1N1 got its start, 43,677 people were infected and 302 people had died. By the time Obama announced a national emergency, CNN reported even higher numbers albeit in a calm, rational fashion:
President Obama has declared a national emergency to deal with the “rapid increase in illness” from the H1N1 influenza virus.
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Since the H1N1 flu pandemic began in April, millions of people in the United States have been infected, at least 20,000 have been hospitalized and more than 1,000 have died, said Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
H1N1 originated in Mexico, but Obama left the border open – and did so with media encouragement.
In China, there were 156,000 confirmed coronavirus cases in a country of 1.4 billion people, with an unknown, but probably higher, number of unconfirmed cases. China admitted to only 5,800 deaths. Proportionately, Italy's situation is more concerning. Coronavirus exploded there, with 21,157 confirmed cases and 1,441 deaths now reported.
Both Italy and China have underfunded, third-world style socialized medicine; heavy pollution; aged populations; and large numbers of smokers. Both had slow reactions when the illness appeared.
In America, we have a first-class, well-funded, proactive medical system, clean air, relatively few smokers, and our population is not disproportionately elderly. Trump closed our borders to China months ago and closed our borders to Europe (including the UK) this weekend. American infections and deaths are still low.
Coronavirus could be an emergency here, but it isn’t yet, and Trump has been proactive.
That gives a sense of perspective.
For bias, look at the pass the media gave Obama for his dilatory reaction to H1N1. America ultimately had 60.8 million H1N1 cases, with deaths disproportionately affecting working adults and children. There were an estimated 12,469 deaths, but the media never complained about Obama. This contrasts with the media’s drumbeat that, with 48 deaths, Trump failed to address the problem.
But if you really want bias, nothing equals Lawrence O’Donnell’s smirking statement that Trump is a mass murderer:
The most incompetent and uninformed president in history has led the federal government into the worst emergency response to a pandemic that we have ever seen in this country. One of our guests will tell us that it’s one of the worst responses by any government in the world today.
More people are sick in American tonight because Donald Trump is president. More people are dead and dying in America tonight because Donald Trump is president. More people are losing more of their life savings and retirement accounts today because Donald Trump is president.
As we will discuss later in this hour, the President’s ten-minute speech from the Oval Office last night directly provoked more loss of stock market value, which is to say retirement funds, than any other speech by any other president in history. If Donald Trump had just said nothing last night, where would we be today?
In answer to O'Donnell's last question, if he'd possessed a crystal ball, he would have seen that Trump’s press conference two days later caused the market to go up by almost 2,000 points.
Media bias is so extreme and unbalanced, and so manifestly contrary to coverage during the H1N1 era, that reasonable people must discount media hysteria. Yes, there’s something serious going on here; yes, we should be proactive to flatten the curve; but no, President Trump has not been a disaster. Instead, he’s been on top of things and it’s the Trump deranged media that’s the disaster.
Yeah so .... what about.....‘If you want to get tested you can get tested.” ?
So what have you done to be a responsible American? Complaining and whining in in a crisis isn't being responsible.
You are sounding like you need the government to take care of you. That isn't being a responsible American.
As citizen of this country, we need to take care of our government at well.
Just saying....as for Lawrence or whatever his name is, I have a big ole American boot that would like to kick his ass.
Too many wish bones and not enough back bones in this country. Not to sound sexist, but a womans back bone is different from a mans.
Women set moral direction. Men get that direction done, and that usually requires a fight.
Women talk, Men fight.
It takes both. One without the other is useless and becomes irritating to the other.
Just look at the "animal kingdom" since we are animals as well. The females protect the young and the males protect the females. Male lions don't take down all that many game animals. The females do. The male just shows up to eat what he wants, but when a intruder shows up, he is out up front and center ready for the fight.
As humans we are more refined, but we are still animals and those basic instincts are still there.
It's not whining ... It's about looking at the FACTS of how the POTUS has handled the crisis.
It's called holding people ACCOUNTABLE for their actions and words and deeds.
For someone who complains about the wooseyfication of the USA - it's odd that you choose to want to gloss over all the things Trump has said and done that were so flat wrong and added and exasperated to the issues. When the leader of the free world spends as much time blaming other countries and trying to blame Obama and then stand on a stage like an utter simpleton and says he doesn't know anything about his administration shutting down the US Pandemic Response Team .... you know we are in trouble. And somehow you and others want to try and suggest holding Trump accountable is a bad thing. pfft.
Strange concept - doing more than one thing at a time - but I reckon we have enough brain power between most of us to discuss what a shambles this administration has shown it'self to be in the face of crisis .... while ALSO doing the right things to be responsible and help the situation as best we can.
He just pointed out the idiocy of the guy you are blindly supporting! That's the most important and American thing he could be doing right now unless he has a degree in medicine or virology!
Strange concept - doing more than one thing at a time - but I reckon we have enough brain power between most of us to discuss what a shambles this administration has shown it'self to be in the face of crisis .... while ALSO doing the right things to be responsible and help the situation as best we can.
If only there were a human IT Dept that could network that mental capacity! Many of the slower operating systems could use a boost of computing resources.
I applaud Lawrence O’Donnell and think in terms of a trumpian world, he should get the medal of freedom hung around his neck by the next democrat first lady.
It's not whining ... It's about looking at the FACTS of how the POTUS has handled the crisis.
It's called holding people ACCOUNTABLE for their actions and words and deeds.
For someone who complains about the wooseyfication of the USA - it's odd that you choose to want to gloss over all the things Trump has said and done that were so flat wrong and added and exasperated to the issues. When the leader of the free world spends as much time blaming other countries and trying to blame Obama and then stand on a stage like an utter simpleton and says he doesn't know anything about his administration shutting down the US Pandemic Response Team .... you know we are in trouble. And somehow you and others want to try and suggest holding Trump accountable is a bad thing. pfft.
It's just a term. Call it anything you want.
Preventing widespread panic is a real thing. I am sorry you don't see it as such.
Your opinion to me holds as much water as me saying you, the lib left released the virus to gain control of the White House....on the other hand, maybe you did???!!!!
You do support killing babies, so we know your moral compass if off. If killing babies is OK, why not older people? All they do is collect the social security they were the first generation to pay in to for their whole life.
Us baby boomers are going to milk you dry when you try to threaten us. Way more of us then you, at least for another 20 years, so pay up for the flawed socialist system set up by FDR.
It's not my fault. I don't like it for you, but since your politics put it in place, you can carry my ass. LOL.
You got to remember, we are a bunch of hippies, we protested. We know how to do it. We can bring this country to a stop if we decide.
Fear Grey hair, and don't try to mess with our money. We will crush you.
Why do you think we have Donald, an old man, and senile Joe as our next two candidates?
It isn't about the young vote. It is about the senior vote, and will be for the next 20 years.
Your opinion to me holds as much water as me saying you, the lib left released the virus to gain control of the White House....on the other hand, maybe you did???!!!!
Except what Trump said and did and how he has blamed everyone else for this .... FACT
"Opinion" on a conspiracy theory over how/why/where the virus came from ...... just that, wild unknown speculation.
This is proof at just how unstable society is. We get up and go on with our day to day lives and don't think of these things that could possibly collapse society,but now here we are potentially witnessing it in real time.
I saw on the news somebody bought a 12 year supply of toilet paper. That is so greedy, selfish and inconsiderate of anybody else, but themselves. With selfish behavior like that the government may need to think about rationing. Especially when it comes to pure essentials like food. It's happened before in times of short supply and dire need and it might need to be addressed.
You wonder if they'll be rejected, I wonder if they would even be semi close to accurate.
Beggars can't be choosers. The tests have proven to be accurate in other countries.
Maybe, but there is the possibility the tests are any more accurate. There are cases of people being reinfected after recovery. So either the virus is worse than we thought, or the tests read which virus they had incorrectly.
If the symptoms are no different than the flu, then do we really know that the tests are identifying the correct version of the flu?
“I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even imagine?
I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts. Our children will thank us for it.
We aren't testing because the imbeciles at the CDC can't even get the test right...
Just stop it. The WHO offered the test the rest of the planet was using and worked fine. They were turned down. Alternative facts aren't going to change that.
And after that he did nothing but contradict the CDC and sound like an idiot. You need to admit that what America needs is a strong leader in a time of crisis. Not one who says stupid crap all the time.
Women set moral direction. Men get that direction done, and that usually requires a fight.
Women talk, Men fight.
It's my experience that a lot of men I work with are pretty useless and do the bare minimum. Meanwhile, the women get (censored word for "poop") done! Women rock.
Well so much for social distancing. I’m currently sitting in an urgent care, a ground zero type of place, waiting to get stitches in my finger. Was in the shop working on our new robot build and got sloppy with a 7” grinder. They hold no mercy. Caught my finger with the business end and took a chunk out of it. Cut through my leather glove like it wasn’t there. So now I wait for the doctor to come in and stitch me up. Then hopefully head back to the shop with a numbed up finger. I was in the middle of fabrication something. I really want to finish it.
Women set moral direction. Men get that direction done, and that usually requires a fight.
Women talk, Men fight.
It's my experience that a lot of men I work with are pretty useless and do the bare minimum. Meanwhile, the women get (censored word for "poop") done! Women rock.
I agree. I wasn't putting women down at all. Even if they are raising punk male children.
I was putting down the sissy men being raised in this country.
Men under maybe 35-40 in this country are raised as limp punks.
Did your local winn-dixie run out of geritol? There are many thousands of veterans that fit into your limp punk age bracket,and thousands more that have died defending this country so that old couts such as yourself are free to disparage them.
You wonder if they'll be rejected, I wonder if they would even be semi close to accurate.
Beggars can't be choosers. The tests have proven to be accurate in other countries.
Maybe, but there is the possibility the tests are any more accurate. There are cases of people being reinfected after recovery. So either the virus is worse than we thought, or the tests read which virus they had incorrectly.
A few years ago my cousin that lived in Nashville at the time, and yes, he played guitar in a band that played many of the bars in Nashville - in the Cory Farley Band - had a dirt bike incident. He wrecked, and somehow, his hand got caught between the chain and the sprocket. He lost half of 1 finger, and parts of 2 other fingers. After some time, he still plays guitar, although not in Nashville anymore.
Nope it’s all there... except a decent chunk out of the side of my left muddle finger. They couldn’t stitch it as there was too much tissue gone to approximate the edges. They stuck a clotting agent dressing on it after numbing me up and cleaning it. The first dressing failed. As soon as the doc removed the tourniquet it gushed blood. Had to try again. Hopefully this one holds back the floodgates. So now I’m stuck not being able to wash my hand for a few days. Fun. Perfect timing.
Did your local winn-dixie run out of geritol? There are many thousands of veterans that fit into your limp punk age bracket,and thousands more that have died defending this country so that old couts such as yourself are free to disparage them.
I am one too, but it is what it is, I am far from a old coot ...lol. As I tell people, I have 2 good fights left in me. I am saving them to save my or my wife's life. No need wasting it here. Go away kid. Guys like Swish know what I am talking about.
Well so much for social distancing. I’m currently sitting in an urgent care, a ground zero type of place, waiting to get stitches in my finger. Was in the shop working on our new robot build and got sloppy with a 7” grinder. They hold no mercy. Caught my finger with the business end and took a chunk out of it. Cut through my leather glove like it wasn’t there. So now I wait for the doctor to come in and stitch me up. Then hopefully head back to the shop with a numbed up finger. I was in the middle of fabrication something. I really want to finish it.
Damn, son. Hope you'll be fine. Can't wait to see your next joint.
Well so much for social distancing. I’m currently sitting in an urgent care, a ground zero type of place, waiting to get stitches in my finger. Was in the shop working on our new robot build and got sloppy with a 7” grinder. They hold no mercy. Caught my finger with the business end and took a chunk out of it. Cut through my leather glove like it wasn’t there. So now I wait for the doctor to come in and stitch me up. Then hopefully head back to the shop with a numbed up finger. I was in the middle of fabrication something. I really want to finish it.
Damn, son. Hope you'll be fine. Can't wait to see your next joint.
I’ll be fine. It’ll take some time to heal my finger joint. I won’t post the photo of my finger but here’s a shot of my glove... my fingers fit snug in them... you can assume what the injury looks like. I did go back to the shop and finish my project after getting done at the urgent care. Inspiration trumps pain.
I still have a pair of shorts I was wearing when the chainsaw I was using kicked. How, why, I don't know, but the saw kicked back and literally cut my shorts. Not me, just my pants.
I use a lot of power tools.Things that can burn through you, cut you, generally derail your day. ...plasma cutters, grinders, band saws... that said, chainsaws scare me.
I use a lot of power tools.Things that can burn through you, cut you, generally derail your day. ...plasma cutters, grinders, band saws... that said, chainsaws scare me.
Safety first bro. I use knifes all day long and I’m always concentrating on keeping my digits. Every injury I’ve had is usually a bad decision I made just before it happened.
Lets see if this makes sense to you folks. I can not go to my local bar in the afternoon and sit with one to four other old guys because of the coronavirus, but I can go to the movies and sit with 99 other folks, or go to the mall.
Lets see if this makes sense to you folks. I can not go to my local bar in the afternoon and sit with one to four other old guys because of the coronavirus, but I can go to the movies and sit with 99 other folks, or go to the mall.
..testing nearly everyone is going to be essential to stop the spread....once again, trump lied to us all. But nobody on the right cares about his exaggerations and flat out lies. Pffft
As for closing bars and restaurants - my guess is the concern over servers either contracting and/or spreading CV?
Wife showed me an interesting simulation (might have been Washington Post which will no doubt mean it is dismissed by some) - showing the affect of CV spread - no change in social behavior, forced quarantine - and self quarantine (25% and everyone I think). Difference is dramatic.
I've said to my wife that none of us are in danger - age or health - and if the odds are strong we are going to get it why not just continue as normal but just be more sanitary throughout the day. Wipe things we buy, wash before and after leaving the house etc etc .... as she pointed out - it's the way that we potentially transfer and spread any infection that is more important than whether us and the kids get mildly sick for a couple of days ... and then we still don't know if we can get sick more than once ... Malls and cinema? idk. Maybe they are harder to legislate?
I'm killing myself for not having the strength of my convictions back in Feb ... then March 4th - another opportunity to sell and I didn't - I am at 68% of my balance from Feb 19.
I'm killing myself for not having the strength of my convictions back in Feb ... then March 4th - another opportunity to sell and I didn't - I am at 68% of my balance from Feb 19.
It sucks man I’m sorry to hear that. I cut bate early and so freaking glad.
yea im sure a bunch of people didnt cry in other crashes either....while they were crashing down to the ground from the top level skyscraper.
it sucks about the market...but im worried about the actual economic impact. most americans couldnt even afford a 400 dollar emergency situation. whats going to happen to those who cant pay their bills?
how does pumping 1.5 trillion dollars into the freaking market help the middle class? how does cutting rates down to zero help the middle class?
"hey babe, rates are down to zero so i guess i can go back to work now"....not.
we just attempted to bail out the elites again, and AGAIN, its not working. the trump administration and the feds snapped their fingers like Thanos to pump trillions into these losers, yet what about every day americans at the individual level?
where is their bailout? where is their QE? where is their 1.5 trillion into their bank accounts?
because the rates are down to zero, but we ALL know the credit cards aint gonna lower their interest rates. banks arent gonna give the people a mortgage/loan holiday unless its forced.
we're doing all the wrong things. corporate debt was at all time highs. consumer debt was at all time highs.
does the "everything bubble" finally pop?
this blows. this absolutely blows. i hope to god im wrong and that this bear market is a quick phase. something tells me not to be optimistic.
When you dismantle what little safety net we have, fire all the scientist and crisis management experts, what the hell do you expect to happen during a pandemic?
We need somebody like Bernie to fix a lot of this stuff.
The medical bed shortage, medical equipment shortage, and medical staffing shortage is due to cutting everything to the bone in the name of profits. Socialized medicine and affordable education would have helped a lot right now.
Working class people taking home a bigger slice of the pie and not being $400 away from disaster when crap hits the fan would have helped now too.
This morning the talking heads are talking about the bill not being enough, too little to help what we are facing. They are saying we need a basic needs and bill payment package they bails out the middle and working class for the next 5-6 months. How many trillions will that cost?
I'm killing myself for not having the strength of my convictions back in Feb ... then March 4th - another opportunity to sell and I didn't - I am at 68% of my balance from Feb 19.
Some if not all of it will return at some point.. I think long term, you will be fine.
We need somebody like Bernie to fix a lot of this stuff.
The medical bed shortage, medical equipment shortage, and medical staffing shortage is due to cutting everything to the bone in the name of profits. Socialized medicine and affordable education would have helped a lot right now.
Working class people taking home a bigger slice of the pie and not being $400 away from disaster when crap hits the fan would have helped now too.
Not arguing with you - honest question. Doesn't Italy have socialized medicine? Its not working out for them, why would it be different here?
**Honestly, truly an honest question. Not a jab or argument, just curious.
Yes they do and under normal conditions it's much cheaper there. As to why they are overwhelmed during this crisis, I have no clue. But America has one of the lowest numbers of hospital beds per capita due to profit motives and things being cut tight to drive those profits. If we get hit like Italy comparatively, it will be much worse here. Although FEMA, the Military, and calling medical personal out of retirement might alleviate that somewhat.
Not arguing with you - honest question. Doesn't Italy have socialized medicine? Its not working out for them, why would it be different here?
**Honestly, truly an honest question. Not a jab or argument, just curious.
Because it actually has nothing to do with the system. It's far more about containing and mitigating the situation. The United States does have slightly more beds per million people than Italy does. So that does give us a slight advantage.
Otherwise the outcome will be the same in every nation when the virus spreads to the point that patients outnumber beds.
It's why everyone talks about stretching it out so the peak number of patients doesn't overwhelm our capacity for care. It's not about the care people are receiving. It's about how many people need care in certain places.
Once and if there are too many people to care for, even our healthcare system will have to make choices about who lives and who dies.
I'm killing myself for not having the strength of my convictions back in Feb ... then March 4th - another opportunity to sell and I didn't - I am at 68% of my balance from Feb 19.
Some if not all of it will return at some point.. I think long term, you will be fine.
I'm killing myself for not having the strength of my convictions back in Feb ... then March 4th - another opportunity to sell and I didn't - I am at 68% of my balance from Feb 19.
Some if not all of it will return at some point.. I think long term, you will be fine.
Yep - I agree. But it sure makes me pucker.
I feel better too getting out early and having the cash on hand vs. letting it ride for however long in hopes you get it back. Gambling 101.
We need somebody like Bernie to fix a lot of this stuff.
The medical bed shortage, medical equipment shortage, and medical staffing shortage is due to cutting everything to the bone in the name of profits. Socialized medicine and affordable education would have helped a lot right now.
Working class people taking home a bigger slice of the pie and not being $400 away from disaster when crap hits the fan would have helped now too.
Not arguing with you - honest question. Doesn't Italy have socialized medicine? Its not working out for them, why would it be different here?
**Honestly, truly an honest question. Not a jab or argument, just curious.
We need somebody like Bernie to fix a lot of this stuff.
The medical bed shortage, medical equipment shortage, and medical staffing shortage is due to cutting everything to the bone in the name of profits. Socialized medicine and affordable education would have helped a lot right now.
Working class people taking home a bigger slice of the pie and not being $400 away from disaster when crap hits the fan would have helped now too.
Not arguing with you - honest question. Doesn't Italy have socialized medicine? Its not working out for them, why would it be different here?
**Honestly, truly an honest question. Not a jab or argument, just curious.
Italy got blind sided
You don't think we didn't? We still are not testing.
In Wv, last I checked - they tested 39 people.
In Pittsburgh, UPMC had to come up with their own test because the government doesn't have enough.
I saw a stat that said something like 1 in 5 million people on average are able to get tested.
We are clsing things down, because we got blindsided.
We need somebody like Bernie to fix a lot of this stuff.
The medical bed shortage, medical equipment shortage, and medical staffing shortage is due to cutting everything to the bone in the name of profits. Socialized medicine and affordable education would have helped a lot right now.
Working class people taking home a bigger slice of the pie and not being $400 away from disaster when crap hits the fan would have helped now too.
Not arguing with you - honest question. Doesn't Italy have socialized medicine? Its not working out for them, why would it be different here?
**Honestly, truly an honest question. Not a jab or argument, just curious.
Italy got blind sided
You don't think we didn't? We still are not testing.
In Wv, last I checked - they tested 39 people.
In Pittsburgh, UPMC had to come up with their own test because the government doesn't have enough.
I saw a stat that said something like 1 in 5 million people on average are able to get tested.
We are clsing things down, because we got blindsided.
No we didnt, we knew this was coming. Maybe trump didnt but most knew it was only a matter of time.
I used to listen to the Adam Carolla podcast. He used to do a thing called "stupid or liar?" Trump yesterday said everything was under control, stupid or liar?
Unfortunately with Trump it's both.
How many more people got infected and how many more people will die because Trump misled the public?
I'm killing myself for not having the strength of my convictions back in Feb ... then March 4th - another opportunity to sell and I didn't - I am at 68% of my balance from Feb 19.
I'm leaving everything as is; I'm only losing value, not money. When this is over, and everything rebounds, I'll have been paying into my 401k at these rock-bottom rates and things will explode back.
Lets see if this makes sense to you folks. I can not go to my local bar in the afternoon and sit with one to four other old guys because of the coronavirus, but I can go to the movies and sit with 99 other folks, or go to the mall.
..testing nearly everyone is going to be essential to stop the spread....once again, trump lied to us all. But nobody on the right cares about his exaggerations and flat out lies. Pffft
This has nothing to do with either the left or the right. This has everything to do with common sense which both sides and most of the American public have no clue
Lets see if this makes sense to you folks. I can not go to my local bar in the afternoon and sit with one to four other old guys because of the coronavirus, but I can go to the movies and sit with 99 other folks, or go to the mall.
..testing nearly everyone is going to be essential to stop the spread....once again, trump lied to us all. But nobody on the right cares about his exaggerations and flat out lies. Pffft
This has nothing to do with either the left or the right. This has everything to do with common sense which both sides and most of the American public have no clue
I agree it was stupid to not include all of those types of businesses at the outset, but at least they've been included now.
boy that is a COMPLETE 180 from how he was acting a month ago. this country deserves much better leadership than this.
or maybe we got the leadership we deserve....
Props for Trump finally telling his base the truth. Maybe Fox News will quit saying, "welp we're all going to die sometime" and actually give people real information.
I spent my whole day in conversations about the church and this virus and then when I got done I checked my bank account and someone took $85 so I had to close my account before they took more ... What a day
Oh looky here, I get chided for posting Breitbart and American Thinker articles and along comes the extreme far left queen of liberal drivel... the Daily Kos!
The Urban Dictionary describes it as:
dailykos A "progressive" political blog that is perhaps the best example of liberal mob-mentality that can be found on the internet.
A popular site for political commentary, blogging, and threads. The Daily KOS is wildly liberal, and often substitutes factual information with opinions.
I just checked, not a single tin foil hat or nazi in sight on the kos! But yes it is a liberal blog. And sorry you read the GOPer write up on "urban dictionary" <the ultimate trustworthy source of facts for people like YOU.
STFU and do his job. Stop projecting his flaws on Obama and the Democrats. This happened under his watch and he’s still lying about the test kits. Testing started way too late and you can’t get tested if you want to get tested like trump said you could. Recklessly trump put many American’s in harms way. The majority of test kits are still promised to come. But when? And still trump could have used the World Health Org test in the meantime until the USA developed their own testing and procedures.
Things like calling it a democratic hoax certainly weren't helpful. Telling the nation the people still went to work and felt fine was something he should have just shut up about. Saying it was contained when anyone who knew anything about it knew better was another stupid thing to say.
See here's where they seem to lose sight of things. Had people been told by Trump two weeks ago the same things he's saying today, how many fewer cases of the virus would we have in our nation right now?
Being honest and informative about what was actually going on is what he could have been doing. He wasn't.
I bought my new gun today. And Ammo. It was a miracle as there is a massive run on guns and ammo right now.
I wound up just going to my range since they also are a gun store. I went in there and their gun shelves were mostly empty.
I asked if they have any shotguns? Nope Can they order shotguns? Nope Do they have any 38s? Nope
So then I must have looked exasperated because then he says if I want a home defense gun he has a 357 magnum.
I say no, that has way too much kick.
He says it can shoot 38 caliber rounds.
I say give it to me. So thats what I bought. And ammo. They are only selling ammo to people who buy guns or use their range.
My Dad has this gun and I shot it before with wad cutter bullets, so I was already familiar with it.
I feel much safer now.
So one day people are talking about not panicking - being sensible etc. The CV is like the flu. yadayadayada - the next we are out of toilet paper and sanitizer and folks are hoarding. Now folks are out stripping the shelves of gun stores like this is the Walking Dead.
Really can't make this stuff up. Do whatever you all need to do. Personally I think in the best of times feeling like you HAVE to own a gun for protection means you are living in fear - the public on mass going out panic buying at a time like this is most assuredly a fearful reaction. smh.
I bought my new gun today. And Ammo. It was a miracle as there is a massive run on guns and ammo right now.
I wound up just going to my range since they also are a gun store. I went in there and their gun shelves were mostly empty.
I asked if they have any shotguns? Nope Can they order shotguns? Nope Do they have any 38s? Nope
So then I must have looked exasperated because then he says if I want a home defense gun he has a 357 magnum.
I say no, that has way too much kick.
He says it can shoot 38 caliber rounds.
I say give it to me. So thats what I bought. And ammo. They are only selling ammo to people who buy guns or use their range.
My Dad has this gun and I shot it before with wad cutter bullets, so I was already familiar with it.
I feel much safer now.
So one day people are talking about not panicking - being sensible etc. The CV is like the flu. yadayadayada - the next we are out of toilet paper and sanitizer and folks are hoarding. Now folks are out stripping the shelves of gun stores like this is the Walking Dead.
Really can't make this stuff up. Do whatever you all need to do. Personally I think in the best of times feeling like you HAVE to own a gun for protection means you are living in fear - the public on mass going out panic buying at a time like this is most assuredly a fearful reaction. smh.
For all you know, the last ones standing could be the gun owners.
Its better to be safe than sorry.
I am a single white female living in a black neighborhood and driving a Jaguar. If any looting happens, they are coming to my house first.
I bought my new gun today. And Ammo. It was a miracle as there is a massive run on guns and ammo right now.
I wound up just going to my range since they also are a gun store. I went in there and their gun shelves were mostly empty.
I asked if they have any shotguns? Nope Can they order shotguns? Nope Do they have any 38s? Nope
So then I must have looked exasperated because then he says if I want a home defense gun he has a 357 magnum.
I say no, that has way too much kick.
He says it can shoot 38 caliber rounds.
I say give it to me. So thats what I bought. And ammo. They are only selling ammo to people who buy guns or use their range.
My Dad has this gun and I shot it before with wad cutter bullets, so I was already familiar with it.
I feel much safer now.
So one day people are talking about not panicking - being sensible etc. The CV is like the flu. yadayadayada - the next we are out of toilet paper and sanitizer and folks are hoarding. Now folks are out stripping the shelves of gun stores like this is the Walking Dead.
Really can't make this stuff up. Do whatever you all need to do. Personally I think in the best of times feeling like you HAVE to own a gun for protection means you are living in fear - the public on mass going out panic buying at a time like this is most assuredly a fearful reaction. smh.
For all you know, the last ones standing could be the gun owners.
Its better to be safe than sorry.
I am a single white female living in a black neighborhood and driving a Jaguar. If any looting happens, they are coming to my house first.
Get a couple of speed loaders for that wheel gun. After you pull it six times, it can get cumbersome to load quickly. The speed loaders will help for the next six.
I bought my new gun today. And Ammo. It was a miracle as there is a massive run on guns and ammo right now.
I wound up just going to my range since they also are a gun store. I went in there and their gun shelves were mostly empty.
I asked if they have any shotguns? Nope Can they order shotguns? Nope Do they have any 38s? Nope
So then I must have looked exasperated because then he says if I want a home defense gun he has a 357 magnum.
I say no, that has way too much kick.
He says it can shoot 38 caliber rounds.
I say give it to me. So thats what I bought. And ammo. They are only selling ammo to people who buy guns or use their range.
My Dad has this gun and I shot it before with wad cutter bullets, so I was already familiar with it.
I feel much safer now.
So one day people are talking about not panicking - being sensible etc. The CV is like the flu. yadayadayada - the next we are out of toilet paper and sanitizer and folks are hoarding. Now folks are out stripping the shelves of gun stores like this is the Walking Dead.
Really can't make this stuff up. Do whatever you all need to do. Personally I think in the best of times feeling like you HAVE to own a gun for protection means you are living in fear - the public on mass going out panic buying at a time like this is most assuredly a fearful reaction. smh.
For all you know, the last ones standing could be the gun owners.
Its better to be safe than sorry.
I am a single white female living in a black neighborhood and driving a Jaguar. If any looting happens, they are coming to my house first.
Get a couple of speed loaders for that wheel gun. After you pull it six times, it can get cumbersome to load quickly. The speed loaders will help for the next six.
Eve I responded to your post, but it wasn't aimed at you so much as it was aimed at the public at large. Given your situation is every reason to be armed I guess, to be honest I thought you already were from post you've made in the past. That way that people are emptying shelves everywhere is just a little nuts.
"I've always known, this is a real -- this is a real -- this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."
This is where incompetence becomes dangerous.
A pathological liar in the office of the presidency gives misinformation during a health crisis. This could cost lives.
Then Fox News backs him and gives the same misinformation to a public audience looking for direction.
Criminal negligence.
I mean you have have to be a special kind of Trump supporter too not look back and remember what Trump said less than 2 weeks ago. But I bet they're some out there, believing every word he says. And it's the Kenyan's damn fault anyway.
Eve I responded to your post, but it wasn't aimed at you so much as it was aimed at the public at large. Given your situation is every reason to be armed I guess, to be honest I thought you already were from post you've made in the past. That way that people are emptying shelves everywhere is just a little nuts.
Thank you. My other gun is a 22 target pistol. Not much for home defense, so I needed to upgrade.
So then I must have looked exasperated because then he says if I want a home defense gun he has a 357 magnum.
I say no, that has way too much kick.
He says it can shoot 38 caliber rounds.
I say give it to me. So thats what I bought. And ammo. They are only selling ammo to people who buy guns or use their range.
My Dad has this gun and I shot it before with wad cutter bullets, so I was already familiar with it.
I feel much safer now.
I remember during the '60s, the 357 Magnum was a very popular weapon for law enforcement. It was designed - as a one-shot man stopper...and is a very intimidating looking revolver. Good for you Eve on your purchase...photo?
We are all in this together. Take recommended precautions and don’t purchase all the tp and meat you can get your hands on. Think of others. This will end...don’t make it worse.
[quote=OldColdDawg] I just want to know who finally got through to Trump and how they did it. They deserve a medal.
This supposedly- over 2 million dead if we don’t do something /https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/read-the-alarming-report-that-seems-to-have-jump-started-trumps-covid-response
So then I must have looked exasperated because then he says if I want a home defense gun he has a 357 magnum.
I say no, that has way too much kick.
He says it can shoot 38 caliber rounds.
I say give it to me. So thats what I bought. And ammo. They are only selling ammo to people who buy guns or use their range.
My Dad has this gun and I shot it before with wad cutter bullets, so I was already familiar with it.
I feel much safer now.
I remember during the '60s, the 357 Magnum was a very popular weapon for law enforcement. It was designed - as a one-shot man stopper...and is a very intimidating looking revolver. Good for you Eve on your purchase...photo?
Here you go. Keep in mind I'm not shooting 357 rounds out of it as that's like a hand cannon I cant control. I'm shooting girly 38 caliber rounds out of it. 38 will still stop people very effectively.
And yes law enforcement used it. My Dad is a retired FBI agent, and he used this gun on the job I do believe.
Y’all take a serious situation and politicize it. I get it...there’s a proper place and time for everything. This isn’t the time...
What a total crock of bs. If not now, when? This- person spent 2 solid months dowplaying the seriousness, cracking jokes at rallies and treating it like it was a mild bout of diarrhea. This is totally political in nature. His entire approach was to convince his followers that "those hysterical other people" were over-reacting, even as thousands fell in foreign countries. His cavalier attitude left us unprepared for this, when we could have been handling it like Singapore, Taiwan and SK.
Now we have an epidemiological bell curve that looks more like a vertical spike than a gentle mound. That means overloaded med facilities, unprepared citizenry and panic in the streets.
That, my friend is the very epitome of political consequences.
I for one will NEVER stop hammering home the fact that this political world was too big for him from Jump Street. I want him gone on 11/3... because hwe will still be the same overmatched, overwhelmed, unprepared, unqualified human being in 2021 that he was in 2015.
4 years is survivable. 8 is not.
Respectfully... this is exactly the right time to hold his feet to the fire while we clean up his mess. Some of us can actually do 2 things at once. We're now required to so so, because... consider the alternative.
We are all in this together. Take recommended precautions and don’t purchase all the tp and meat you can get your hands on. Think of others. This will end...don’t make it worse.
Yep... lets ignore science and what the experts say. Lets follow Trump and Nunes, they so smart. Lets not be informed and call anyone who wants to examine options and planning for different possibilities and call them hysterical.
So then I must have looked exasperated because then he says if I want a home defense gun he has a 357 magnum.
I say no, that has way too much kick.
He says it can shoot 38 caliber rounds.
I say give it to me. So thats what I bought. And ammo. They are only selling ammo to people who buy guns or use their range.
My Dad has this gun and I shot it before with wad cutter bullets, so I was already familiar with it.
I feel much safer now.
I remember during the '60s, the 357 Magnum was a very popular weapon for law enforcement. It was designed - as a one-shot man stopper...and is a very intimidating looking revolver. Good for you Eve on your purchase...photo?
Here you go. Keep in mind I'm not shooting 357 rounds out of it as that's like a hand cannon I cant control. I'm shooting girly 38 caliber rounds out of it. 38 will still stop people very effectively.
And yes law enforcement used it. My Dad is a retired FBI agent, and he used this gun on the job I do believe.
Now, go to the range a few more times... once a week, if you can swing it.
Practice sighting on the FRONT sight and work on your grip. Grip is aim.
sgammo.com stopped taking orders because they are about 10 days behind on fulfillment.
Several shops in my area are completely sold out.
One shop (who I'm buying a can from) was about to order a 55-gallon drum (12,500 rounds) of 5.56 to repackage and sell ... partly because that's all he can get right now.
A .22 is all most people need. Aim small, miss small. 1st time I shot mine I nailed bullseyes 1st 4 or 5. Quick reload as well.
The great thing about .22 is that it is easy to not only get back on target quickly, but to just keep it on target in the first place.
That big spinner is going to work the wrist and forearm a little just by virtue of the action sitting so high in relation to the wrist; it creates a natural pivot/lever where all the energy goes.
STFU and do his job. Stop projecting his flaws on Obama and the Democrats. This happened under his watch and he’s still lying about the test kits. Testing started way too late and you can’t get tested if you want to get tested like trump said you could. Recklessly trump put many American’s in harms way. The majority of test kits are still promised to come. But when? And still trump could have used the World Health Org test in the meantime until the USA developed their own testing and procedures.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Tuesday that the blame for the slow pace of testing for coronavirus in the U.S. does not lie with either President Trump or the CDC.
Fauci told Hugh Hewitt on "The Hugh Hewitt" show that a "technical glitch" resulted in the delay in production of usable tests in the U.S., something Fauci prescribed to random error.
"It was a complicated series of multiple things that conflated that just, you know, went the wrong way. One of them was a technical glitch that slowed things down in the beginning. Nobody’s fault. There wasn’t any bad guys there. It just happened," Fauci said.
"Was the glitch or anything about the production of the test President Trump’s fault?" Hewitt responded. "Or actually, let me put it more broadly, would every president have run into the same problem?"
"Oh, absolutely," Fauci replied. "This has nothing to do with anybody’s fault, certainly not the president’s fault."
His comments come as the U.S. health care system and the Trump administration have faced criticism over the low numbers of coronavirus tests being performed throughout the country as thousands of Americans have confirmed cases of the disease and thousands more have self-quarantined or practiced forms of social distancing to avoid spreading it further.
I am no expert on home defense. Killing people is not a passion of mine. LOL
However, I rely on two primary home defense weapons. A shotgun. Just engaging it will chase intruders off. It's number one in my opinion.
However, if someone would be able to get close to us while we are sleeping [my dogs would bark like crazy if someone was breaking in, but let's just pretend they didn't hear them] I think a smaller weapon is probably a better tool. Something that is easier to maneuver and shoot from any position.
Again, I am not an expert on such things. Just my thinking of how I defend my home.
"President Trump’s surprisingly sober press conference on Monday was reportedly sparked by a British study suggesting that the U.S. could face 2.2 million fatalities if the coronavirus epidemic goes unabated."
Hell the mitigated numbers are insane! We're looking at 1.1 million deaths by the time this plays out even with everything we are doing?
Depends on the shotgun. My home defense shotgun has a shorter barrel than a field gun and a folding stock. I can use it to clear corners and doorways quite effectively.
Also, don't forget that there is a difference between cover and concealment. If you know where the bad guy is on the other side of a wall or doorway, shoot through the wall. Twice.
LOL...........but, good points. Again, I am far from an expert on such things. I just know my two weapons of choice for home defense. That doesn't mean I am correct. Just conversing.
For what it's worth: My Dad (retired FBI agent) his choice of home defense guns is a shotgun. I think because you can shoot it and not aim well and hit anybody in front of you.
He told me a story one time. About how FBI agents and bad guys would get in firefights. And the adrenaline would be so high that both sides would empty their guns and not hit anybody.
I bought my new gun today. And Ammo. It was a miracle as there is a massive run on guns and ammo right now.
I wound up just going to my range since they also are a gun store. I went in there and their gun shelves were mostly empty.
I asked if they have any shotguns? Nope Can they order shotguns? Nope Do they have any 38s? Nope
So then I must have looked exasperated because then he says if I want a home defense gun he has a 357 magnum.
I say no, that has way too much kick.
He says it can shoot 38 caliber rounds.
I say give it to me. So thats what I bought. And ammo. They are only selling ammo to people who buy guns or use their range.
My Dad has this gun and I shot it before with wad cutter bullets, so I was already familiar with it.
I feel much safer now.
So one day people are talking about not panicking - being sensible etc. The CV is like the flu. yadayadayada - the next we are out of toilet paper and sanitizer and folks are hoarding. Now folks are out stripping the shelves of gun stores like this is the Walking Dead.
Really can't make this stuff up. Do whatever you all need to do. Personally I think in the best of times feeling like you HAVE to own a gun for protection means you are living in fear - the public on mass going out panic buying at a time like this is most assuredly a fearful reaction. smh.
For all you know, the last ones standing could be the gun owners.
Its better to be safe than sorry.
I am a single white female living in a black neighborhood and driving a Jaguar. If any looting happens, they are coming to my house first.
You should move elsewhere. That’s what you told the people who can’t afford to live in their own cities like NYC, Boston, San Fran....remember? Your guns will likely be turned on you in this dreamed up zombie war of yours anyways. Pffft the trump era. Go buy some TP.
U.S. government, tech industry discussing ways to use smartphone location data to combat coronavirus
The U.S. government is in active talks with Facebook, Google and a wide array of tech companies and health experts about how they can use location data gleaned from Americans’ phones to combat the novel coronavirus, including tracking whether people are keeping one another at safe distances to stem the outbreak.
Location data isn't really anonymous though, it really can't be. Getting this kinda data right now requires a Warrant from a judge, are we just going to go around our legal protection process because people are freaking out over this?
I bought my new gun today. And Ammo. It was a miracle as there is a massive run on guns and ammo right now.
I wound up just going to my range since they also are a gun store. I went in there and their gun shelves were mostly empty.
I asked if they have any shotguns? Nope Can they order shotguns? Nope Do they have any 38s? Nope
So then I must have looked exasperated because then he says if I want a home defense gun he has a 357 magnum.
I say no, that has way too much kick.
He says it can shoot 38 caliber rounds.
I say give it to me. So thats what I bought. And ammo. They are only selling ammo to people who buy guns or use their range.
My Dad has this gun and I shot it before with wad cutter bullets, so I was already familiar with it.
I feel much safer now.
So one day people are talking about not panicking - being sensible etc. The CV is like the flu. yadayadayada - the next we are out of toilet paper and sanitizer and folks are hoarding. Now folks are out stripping the shelves of gun stores like this is the Walking Dead.
Really can't make this stuff up. Do whatever you all need to do. Personally I think in the best of times feeling like you HAVE to own a gun for protection means you are living in fear - the public on mass going out panic buying at a time like this is most assuredly a fearful reaction. smh.
For all you know, the last ones standing could be the gun owners.
Its better to be safe than sorry.
I am a single white female living in a black neighborhood and driving a Jaguar. If any looting happens, they are coming to my house first.
You should move elsewhere. That’s what you told the people who can’t afford to live in their own cities like NYC, Boston, San Fran....remember? Your guns will likely be turned on you in this dreamed up zombie war of yours anyways. Pffft the trump era. Go buy some TP.
Smart move. It's better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.
I am a single white female living in a black neighborhood and driving a Jaguar. If any looting happens, they are coming to my house first.
Wow. I'll just say that I know you are not the person that this makes you sound like and leave it at that. But I do want to point out a couple of facts to help give you some peace of mind.
Jags are sweet cars and I love the way they look... but it ain't no Bentley or Rolls. A Jag is basically a nice body on a ford taurus chassis. All dressed up but the similar under the hood.
And most black people that I know would avoid targeting a white woman just because of the price they would pay in an American court. Everybody knows a black on black crime would be treated much differently.
Lastly, if you really feel that way, why the hell do you live in a black neighborhood? I can't imagine feeling like I'd be target #1 and still being comfortable living there. smfh
U.S. government, tech industry discussing ways to use smartphone location data to combat coronavirus
The U.S. government is in active talks with Facebook, Google and a wide array of tech companies and health experts about how they can use location data gleaned from Americans’ phones to combat the novel coronavirus, including tracking whether people are keeping one another at safe distances to stem the outbreak.
Location data isn't really anonymous though, it really can't be. Getting this kinda data right now requires a Warrant from a judge, are we just going to go around our legal protection process because people are freaking out over this?
surreal
Add that most phones do not have accurate enough GPS to identify the 6ft social distancing recommendation.
And yea, we’re apparently calling it the Chinese virus now. I was skeptical about people being upset when they called it the wuhan virus, but it’s now clear there’s an agenda behind it.
I hate to say this, but don’t be surprised if this is a precursor to ramping up the trade war with China.
I am a single white female living in a black neighborhood and driving a Jaguar. If any looting happens, they are coming to my house first.
Wow. I'll just say that I know you are not the person that this makes you sound like and leave it at that. But I do want to point out a couple of facts to help give you some peace of mind.
Jags are sweet cars and I love the way they look... but it ain't no Bentley or Rolls. A Jag is basically a nice body on a ford taurus chassis. All dressed up but the similar under the hood.
And most black people that I know would avoid targeting a white woman just because of the price they would pay in an American court. Everybody knows a black on black crime would be treated much differently.
Lastly, if you really feel that way, why the hell do you live in a black neighborhood? I can't imagine feeling like I'd be target #1 and still being comfortable living there. smfh
In general I like black people very much and all races of people.
So I never had a problem living here and I like my neighbors very much.
The real threat with this virus is not the virus, its the people. Because desperate people are waaaaaaay more dangerous. And shutting down the country is gonna make a lot of desperate people if this goes on for very long.
I am a victim of home invasion and physical assault by a black man, so I keep it real. I am not naive about what happens in society.
People riot and loot about stupid things. You think they aren't gonna riot about this? Why do you think the government is trying so damn hard to prevent a panic.
So let me get this straight. We have someone who rarely posts in the political form, which was designed expressly for talking about politics, to tell us we should ignore what the president, a politician, said which set us backwards in properly giving the warnings he should have been giving the American people weeks ago.
We should all embrace the wonderful socialism displayed by the Trump administration today! Government check for everybody, free medical for everybody, guaranteed rent/continued housing for everybody, government control of factory production and oversight of private industry for the good of all... Guess we have a socialist country under Trump! And centrist dems will not complain because MSM and their corporate donors want this too.
If he keeps this up, I might have to vote for Trump!
We should all embrace the wonderful socialism displayed by the Trump administration today! Government check for everybody, free medical for everybody, guaranteed rent/continued housing for everybody, government control of factory production and oversight of private industry for the good of all... Guess we have a socialist country under Trump! And centrist dems will not complain because MSM and their corporate donors want this too.
If he keeps this up, I might have to vote for Trump!
I predicted this last week in the other thread, did I not?
Y'all better start listening to me, I know whats up.
wow bro, it might drop below 18k today. How many triggers went off today so far? I knew it would take a hit when Trump spoke about bailing out working people, the markets hate that.
Please don't trick anyone into investing now 40. Have you not been listening to how bad they think this will get? The markets are going much lower before this is over. I won't be surprised to see runs on banks soon.
But apparently that was an isolated single model. So you are right.
And you missed my point about the Jaguar too. If you're gonna loot someone, you don't go to the poor person's house. You go to the house of the person with money.
You were in the military. Did they not teach you how to think tactically? Time to get smart. Omg.
While I don't think it will come down to that, people should be thinking that way always. Having that ability isn't some crazy idea the way some portray it to be. It's not "living in fear". It's common sense.
Please don't trick anyone into investing now 40. Have you not been listening to how bad they think this will get? The markets are going much lower before this is over. I won't be surprised to see runs on banks soon.
Trick someone???
I tell you what I see from 50 years of investing and you call it a trick?
Communists have zero understanding of money unless it happens to belong to someone else .
I stopped at GM's local Wal-Mart (and Marcs) today, and it was just decimated.
I am glad that I have enough food for a little while, but not so much backed up that I have to ignore the sales that will be coming when most people have 400 cans of soup, and such. lol
40, did you buy any of the other times you mentioned it? There are very few safe picks right now
It depends on what you consider "safe". If you look short term, there is nothing safe. If you look long term, it is almost certain that stocks are going to explode once this is all over .... whether in 2 months, or 2 years.
I mean, ig you buy a stock for $10 ..... and it drops to $5 ..... but in 2 years it's at $30 ..... was it a bad buy, or a good buy?
We havent even reach the bottom. Depending on what happens, the trump admin said we could be looking at 20% unemployment. Airline industries are already running through loans and might file bankruptcy.
But then who’s smarter? You buying at 10, it dipping at 5 then accelerating?
Bro don't forget all this bailout money they are about to pass out for up to a year. When the economy starts moving back the other way you know taxes are going up. And if this isn't handled right the next eight weeks I think it could completely crash ending in depression.
40, did you buy any of the other times you mentioned it? There are very few safe picks right now
It depends on what you consider "safe". If you look short term, there is nothing safe. If you look long term, it is almost certain that stocks are going to explode once this is all over .... whether in 2 months, or 2 years.
I mean, ig you buy a stock for $10 ..... and it drops to $5 ..... but in 2 years it's at $30 ..... was it a bad buy, or a good buy?
I have been tracking some waiting for a time/reason to buy-and a stock like Boeing was 233 a week ago was in the 90's today for a while.
My worry is those stocks that were once 50-60 dollars that you might want to buy for 10 and so what it goes to 5-there is a real chance that they file bankruptcy and then worth nada.
I mean if you wanted to buy Carnival at 40 percent off a week ago and got in at 30, you were looking at a 10 dollar stock today and lost 2/3's of your money.
I know there might be some interesting stocks, even sectors and they are comparing this to 2008. But in 2008, everything wasn't closed
It was a $400 dollar stock and has been dropping like a rock.
Boeing is America's only real, commercial aircraft producer.
I bought it at $100 and today I bought it again at $89.
I really don't think America is going to stop making airplanes.
Every major airport has Boeing technicians to do maintenance on Boeing planes.
I'll bet the government comes with a bailout or something to help Boeing.
I just checked the after hours price and it is now $103.56.
If $89 turns out to be bottom, I nailed it. If not, I will watch it further.
I was still waiting on Boeing.
I am worried about-i was thinking Exxon, Chevron, Boeing, Carnival or one of the other travel companies like Tripadvisor. I was also thinking about getting into a Vanguard 500 index fund-but that was my largest holding in my 401 before i got out of the market and will be the first place i get back into.
Story on NPR tonight about the small mom and pop local restaurants, the people that cut your hair, all the people that work on 1099's- how bad they are going to get crushed. Somebody guess that about 25% of small shops and mom and pop places that are not hardware/grocers that had to close will never reopen
If you are smart enough to pick bottom then more power to you.
If I buy at 10, 7, and 5 on that same stock and it goes to 30, I've done well.
If you blinked and missed 5, you probably won't buy at 7 or 10.
Buy airline stock when it gets down to about 6.
I worked for Delta when they came out of bankruptcy and gave all the employees stock for sticking with them.
It was about 6. And not worth much.
I hung onto it and some years later it was up around 32. I sold it then for 30K.
Airlines are gonna be in the gutter. (My heart hurts for Mother Delta) But they are essential to our infrastructure. So will rise up again someday. I suggest you buy when it gets down low.
I stopped at GM's local Wal-Mart (and Marcs) today, and it was just decimated.
I am glad that I have enough food for a little while, but not so much backed up that I have to ignore the sales that will be coming when most people have 400 cans of soup, and such. lol
I have been to 15 stores this week. I have not found one roll of Charmin, one bottle of hand sanitizer, and until the 15th store not one case of Aquafina. I bought two cases of it.... a whopping 8 day supply between me and my wife. (I still had a 10 day supply here, and enough TP to last us a month) But with my health problems I sure could use some hand sanitizer for when I have to go out.
