White House blocks Fauci from testifying next week
The White House is blocking Dr. Anthony Fauci, a key member of the administration's coronavirus task force, from testifying before the Democratic-led House next week, according to a spokesman from a key House committee. "The Appropriations Committee sought Dr. Anthony Fauci as a witness at next week's Labor-HHS-Education Subcommittee hearing on COVID-19 response. We have been informed by an administration official that the White House has blocked Dr. Fauci from testifying," House Appropriations Committee spokesman Evan Hollander said in a statement Friday. White House deputy press secretary Judd Deere confirmed the decision.
"While the Trump Administration continues its whole-of-government response to COVID-19, including safely opening up America again and expediting vaccine development, it is counter-productive to have the very individuals involved in those efforts appearing at Congressional hearings," Deere said in a statement. "We are committed to working with Congress to offer testimony at the appropriate time."
Press secretary Kayleigh McEnany followed up on Deere's comments, explaining in an interview Saturday the reasoning behind the White House's decision.
"When we pressed for details as to why Dr. Fauci in particular was the right person for the testimony and this hearing, those details were never provided," McEnany said in a Fox News interview.
In a gaggle with reporters after her interview on Fox, McEnany said the administration wanted to make sure that the "subject matter of the hearing matched the individual they're requesting" and in this case, "there was never any clarity given forth as to what the actual subject matter of this hearing would be."
Though when asked by CNN's Jeremy Diamond if Fauci or other officials will be allowed to testify in front of other House committees in the future, McEnany said "absolutely." It appears Fauci is expected to testify in front of a committee of the Republican-led Senate committee during May. He will testify before the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee on May 12, per an aide to the panel's chairman, Sen. Lamar Alexander, a Tennessee Republican.
"Chairman Alexander looks forward to hearing from Dr. Fauci and other administration officials at the Senate health committee's second hearing back, which will be on Tuesday, May 12," the aide told CNN.
While the move to block House testimony comes after the House abruptly canceled plans on Tuesday to return to the Capitol next week, it prevented a potential meeting between a blunt, high-ranking expert who has dissented from President Donald Trump's account of the federal response and lawmakers gearing up for an oversight battle. Fauci has repeatedly veered from Trump's framing of the federal government's handling of the pandemic, as recently as the past few days.
On Friday, Trump said that he is generally supportive of Georgia's efforts to reopen some businesses, but that he is upset with Gov. Brian Kemp's decision to open spas and tattoo parlors before meeting federal guidelines on such businesses reopening.
"I think it's wonderful. I want to see us open safely. But I didn't like spas and tattoo parlors and I was not thrilled about that, but I said nothing about Georgia other than that," Trump said.
Fauci had struck a different tone during a CNN town hall Thursday night, lamenting that "there are some states, some cities ... kind of leapfrogging over the first checkpoint." "And, I mean, obviously you could get away with that, but you are making a really significant risk," he added. "I hope they can actually handle any rebound that they see." Fauci was also critical of the current testing capacity during his testimony before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform in March. "The system does not, is not really geared to what we need right now, to what you are asking for," he told lawmakers at the time.
"It is a failing. Let's admit it," he said, adding that "the idea of anybody getting it easily, the way people in other countries are doing it, we are not set up for that. Do I think we should be? Yes. But we are not." Testing has proven to be a continued sticking point between Trump and Fauci.
Fauci said during a Time 100 Talks interview last week that he was "not overly confident right now at all, that we have what it takes to" significantly ramp up testing. Trump pushed back during a press briefing later that day -- from which Fauci was absent -- and said that "I don't agree with him on that, no. I think we're doing a great job on testing."
The decision to keep Fauci from appearing before the House committee comes as House Democrats are preparing for a multi-front investigation into the federal coronavirus response.
The CARES Act coronavirus aid package created a Pandemic Response Accountability Committee, made up of 21 members from offices of inspectors general across the federal government, to help coordinate investigations into various elements of the outbreak response.
Some of the investigations are already underway. The inspectors general from three key agencies updated the House Oversight Committee on Tuesday on four investigations into potential issues with the federal government's coronavirus response, the committee said.
The watchdogs referenced plans for the use of "flash reports" to provide frequent updates on the probes, as well as possible protections for the inspectors general in light of Trump's ouster of several such independent watchdogs, according to a news release from the committee.
By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet's infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither do men live nor die in vain.
How do we get back to work and back to life when infection and death still run rampant?
I don't know when ... we still have insufficient data to know what is going on.
I do know that the "how" is going to be harder then the 'shelter in place' part .... I am hoping that there will not be a second wave of widespread infection but I have no idea what is going to happen.
It's odd how many of his supporters said they liked him because he said what he meant. Now they're like, "How dare you quote him! He didn't mean what he said!".
We Humans can not hide from this or any other Virus.
We will either overcome it with a vaccine, lesson it with treatments or it will claim the lives of many until immunity is reached.
To surrender our Nations to its wrath does a disservice to all the Humans who came before us and condemns all those who will come after us.
As in any war, their will be casualties in this fight but victory must be had, risks must be taken. In the end, the future will once again be a place of work, life, hugging our loved ones and gathering in fellowship as the Human Race has always done.
And they should be limited to the best of our abilities. We could have just let this go and have millions die. Where do you draw the line? Your grandparent, your parent, you?
Well that's better than us ending up speaking German isn't it? Oh wait, it isn't actually that kind of war that we need to puposefully send people out to die. Never mind.
Easy to spout until it hits your door or someone you love.
There are many things we can do to save lives if there is the will and leadership.
We have the will and lack the leadership.
Why did our "leadership" tell people in three democratic states to liberate themselves? This one of the most disgusting things that has been done during all of this. That is encouraging people to act recklessly and encourage death. But only in three democratic states.
We Humans can not hide from this or any other Virus.
We will either overcome it with a vaccine, lesson it with treatments or it will claim the lives of many until immunity is reached.
To surrender our Nations to its wrath does a disservice to all the Humans who came before us and condemns all those who will come after us.
As in any war, their will be casualties in this fight but victory must be had, risks must be taken. In the end, the future will once again be a place of work, life, hugging our loved ones and gathering in fellowship as the Human Race has always done.
You lead the way good sir ! Lead your normal life and let us know how you fare. . . . ignore the science, ignore that it was the 2nd wave of Spanish flu that killed 10 times as many as the first wave, listen to Trump (though I advise against the internal use of Bleach).... You got this!
By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet's infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither do men live nor die in vain.
-War of the Worlds
You are quoting a line from a work of fiction? You do know that there never was a "War of the Worlds" right?
"Dad, I was very small when grandma passed away and grandpa has been ill ever since I can remember. What happened to them?"
"Well son, it was the second wave of the Covid 19 war. Where we waged war for the sake of the economy. Grandma was killed from her injuries sustained at the battle of Walmart and grandpa was seriously injured at the Battle of Home Depot while fighting for his right to buy paint. He still has Covid shrapnel in his lungs."
j\c I can hear some old timers say " To bad that the crazy Trump hating libs wanted open borders and sanctuary cities to allow the sick and dangerous illegals have full protection while they arrest americans that went to a beach or on a lake fishing".
And they should be limited to the best of our abilities. We could have just let this go and have millions die. Where do you draw the line? Your grandparent, your parent, you?
No, we don't draw a line. That's not to say you don't help the sick, you absolutely help the sick, you don't lock up the healthy to help the sick. The Vietnamese have a famous line from the Vietnam war, something like, You will kill 10 of us for every one of yours, but your people will get tired of it first.
From the outset I've been of the opinion that the brunt of this blow has to be absorbed and do the best to absorb it.
I supposed I can see the shutting down of sporting event crowds, but for the sake of the economy of not going into a depression on top of a virus, the one on one meetings, of everything from barber shops to sit down restaurants should never have been forbidden, and still shouldn't.
Now, wearing masks? Ya that's a good idea, Would we all be better off? We don't know. We are where we are.
And they should be limited to the best of our abilities. We could have just let this go and have millions die. Where do you draw the line? Your grandparent, your parent, you?
No, we don't draw a line. That's not to say you don't help the sick, you absolutely help the sick, you don't lock up the healthy to help the sick. The Vietnamese have a famous line from the Vietnam war, something like, You will kill 10 of us for every one of yours, but your people will get tired of it first.
From the outset I've been of the opinion that the brunt of this blow has to be absorbed and do the best to absorb it.
I supposed I can see the shutting down of sporting event crowds, but for the sake of the economy of not going into a depression on top of a virus, the one on one meetings, of everything from barber shops to sit down restaurants should never have been forbidden, and still shouldn't.
Now, wearing masks? Ya that's a good idea, Would we all be better off? We don't know. We are where we are.
The issue there being, a much larger percentage of sick will die if we just "absorb" it. Flattening the curve is in regards to not overwhelming the healthcare system. Italy was at something like 14% mortality rate for a while because their hospitals were overrun with people and they couldn't keep up. We are at over 1 million CONFIRMED cases in the US as of now in essentially 2 months. What would that number have been just "absorbing" it? 2 million? 3? 10? At 10% mortality rate?
You don't think losing that many people would have a similar or worse effect on the economy?
Coronavirus Live Updates: Daily Death Toll Will Nearly Double by June, Trump Administration Models Predict Updated May, 4th 2020 3:03PM
The Trump administration projects about 3,000 daily deaths by early June.
As President Trump presses for states to reopen their economies, his administration is privately projecting a steady rise in the number of coronavirus cases and deaths over the next several weeks. The daily death toll will reach about 3,000 on June 1, according to an internal document obtained by The New York Times, nearly double the current number of about 1,750.
The projections, based on government modeling pulled together in chart form by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, forecast about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month, up from about 25,000 cases now.
The numbers underscore a sobering reality: While the United States has been hunkered down for the past seven weeks, significant risks remain. And the reopening to the economy will make matters worse.
“There remains a large number of counties whose burden continues to grow,” the Centers for Disease Control warned.
The projections confirm the primary fear of public health experts: that a reopening of the economy will put the nation back where it was in mid-March, when cases were rising so rapidly in some parts of the country that patients were dying on gurneys in hospital hallways as the health care system was overloaded.
“While mitigation didn’t fail, I think it’s fair to say that it didn’t work as well as we expected,” Scott Gottlieb, Mr. Trump’s former commissioner of food and drugs, said Sunday on the CBS program Face the Nation. “We expected that we would start seeing more significant declines in new cases and deaths around the nation at this point. And we’re just not seeing that.”
On Sunday, Mr. Trump said deaths in the United States could reach 100,000, twice as many as he had forecast just two weeks ago. But his new estimate still underestimates what his own administration is now predicting to be the total death toll by the end of May — much less in the months that follow. It follows a pattern for Mr. Trump, who has frequently understated the impact of the disease.
“We’re going to lose anywhere from 75, 80 to 100,000 people,” he said in a virtual town hall on Fox News. “That’s a horrible thing. We shouldn’t lose one person over this.”
The White House responded that the new projections had not been vetted.
“This is not a White House document nor has it been presented to the Coronavirus Task Force or gone through interagency vetting,” said Judd Deere, a White House spokesman. “This data is not reflective of any of the modeling done by the task force or data that the task force has analyzed.”
“The president’s phased guidelines to open up America again are a scientific driven approach that the top health and infectious disease experts in the federal government agreed with,” he said.
Mr. Gottlieb said Americans “may be facing the prospect that 20,000, 30,000 new cases a day diagnosed becomes the new normal.”
Some states that have partially reopened are still seeing an increase in cases, including Iowa, Minnesota, Tennessee and Texas, according to Times data. Indiana, Kansas and Nebraska also are seeing an increase in cases and reopened some businesses on Monday. Alaska has also reopened and is seeing a small number of increasing cases.
While the country has stabilized, it has not really improved, as shown by data collected by The Times. Case and death numbers remain stuck on a numbing, tragic plateau that is tilting only slightly downward.
At least 1,000 people with the virus, and sometimes more than 2,000, have died every day for the last month. On a near-daily basis, at least 25,000 new cases of the virus are being identified across the country. And even as New York City, New Orleans and Detroit have shown improvement, other urban centers, including Chicago and Los Angeles, are reporting steady growth in cases.
The situation has devolved most dramatically in parts of rural America that were largely spared in the early stages of the pandemic. As food processing facilities and prisons have emerged as some of the country’s largest case clusters, the counties that include Logansport, Ind., South Sioux City, Neb., and Marion, Ohio, have surpassed New York City in cases per capita.
We Humans can not hide from this or any other Virus.
We will either overcome it with a vaccine, lesson it with treatments or it will claim the lives of many until immunity is reached.
To surrender our Nations to its wrath does a disservice to all the Humans who came before us and condemns all those who will come after us.
As in any war, their will be casualties in this fight but victory must be had, risks must be taken. In the end, the future will once again be a place of work, life, hugging our loved ones and gathering in fellowship as the Human Race has always done.
You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children and their children this, the last best hope of man on earth or we will sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.
I've always wondered when people reach the point in life where this is less accurate than it used to be, the more convinced they are that it's true.
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Screw the Democrat's and those who voted them in to office.
I guess after the November elections I'll have to remind you that you aren't my type.
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Shameful people for who I hold absolutely no sympathy. It's starting.
There's a difference in "It's starting", to "it's recklessly starting while ignoring all the guidelines".
Let's recap shall we?
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The guidelines suggest three phases for states to reopen, with progressively relaxed levels of social distancing. Each phase would require a 14-day period of a "downward trajectory" of cases to advance to the next one.
Most of, if not all of these states have not passed that 14 day guideline. While this plan was unveiled at one of his own press conferences on April 16th. Only a day later he Tweeted “LIBERATE MINNESOTA!” “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!” “LIBERATE VIRGINIA,” which were in defiance of the very guidelines that were set forth only the day prior at his press conference.
I mean if you're actually looking for "shameful people" instead of being a partisan hack promoting we be reckless with the life of your fellow Americans.
I understand how avoiding facts has become a pastime of your ilk, but they are out there for everyone to see.
j\c I can hear some old timers say " To bad that the crazy Trump hating libs wanted open borders and sanctuary cities to allow the sick and dangerous illegals have full protection while they arrest americans that went to a beach or on a lake fishing".
What old timers? From the looks of things you trying to help kill them all off.
It's much easier for retired people, people on pensions and ss, people living on disability, gov't. employees, etc, to say "keep it locked down", than it is for people that don't get a guaranteed income.
Yet, everyone wants the workers at grocery stores to work, and be open. They want the employees at amazon to work, and at food processing plants to work, so they can sit in their home.
Wal Mart is open, as are building supply stores, some 'essential' factory's.
What determines who can be open?
Why do we "have" to have mail in voting? Being around people? Go to a Wal Mart, or a grocery store - there's people. Maybe we should put the voting machines there?
There's more to consider is what I'm getting at.
I have 2 cousins, and about 8 friends that are nurses in hospitals. While still working, they are having their hours cut - down to 32, or even 24 hours a week.
It's certainly not fair for everyone and no system will be fair. But that doesn't address anything I posted. Those guidelines were set for our nation as a guideline to reopen the states. These were the very criteria that was supposed to be met in a national briefing to educate our citizens and state governments.
Less than 24 hours later Trump undermined those very guidelines in a Tweet storm rant. Those guidelines are being ignored in many states that are reopening. Sadly, some states were going to be heading that direction or were heading in that direction yet didn't follow through with them.
So if you would, please address that part of it rather than veering off in another direction.
Why would you set national guidelines only to ignore them?
Covid-19 has brought about a war, a class war. The well off, jobs not cancelled group, celebrities, salaried employees not furloughed, people with wealth are on their high horse STAY HOME!
Meanwhile a lot of people, living paycheck to paycheck are hurting. I personally don't have to worry about my next meal or mortgage payment, but I am also no rubbing it in peoples noses when they NEED to work. Shouting from my ivory tower, screw you common man STAY HOME.
Nah, if people need to work, we should let them. Especially Democrats, you voted out the only person who would allow this country to give REAL aid to people in times like this. Either go full socialism in your party or buzz off with the elitist, moral high ground nonsense.
"STAY HOME working stiff with no savings, we don't want to get sick".
Even the medical experts and data people that study pandemic models don't have the answers.
The guidelines were set by professionals to establish a way to minimize risk.
Then over time evolve opening the economy. Now because of political and financial pressure people to want leapfrog over the guidelines.
Of course everyone wants things back to normal. Of course there is heavy financial pressure on many to work.
But until testing is standardized and available to all reinfection and spreading this killer will happen. So Mr. X goes back to the plant. Gets infected and spreads it to his family. Herd immunity. All those susceptible die.
What do we pay taxes for? Unless your trump when you can cheat and don't pay. What is the role of government? Isn't the role of government to protect it's citizens? Like providing clean drinking water. Like establishing protective guidelines in a case of a pandemic? Keeping them informed of best practices to minimize risk.
Providing services and supplies in a war against a virus like this.
All we are seeing from POTUS is misinformation and him campaigning for re-election along with self praise.
Then he applauds those who wish to violate the guidelines.
So what we are seeing in this crisis is leadership?
So as we all face this and will continue to face it will you follow the leader? Or, follow science and medical experts?
If you have kids do you want them back in school? Are you willing to risk that? If your parents live with you are willing to risk their lives by acting like nothing will happen to you if you want to go out?
In the end the government doesn't make all our decisions. Hopefully common sense and information will dictate logical decisions.
But if you want those carrying Nazi swastikas, flying confederate flags, and swinging nooses while they protest about their rights. Then follow that logic and don't complain about the outcome.
Say I get tested tomorrow. I'm clean. But later in the day, I touch something, then touch my nose, and I get it.
Or, I test clean. I'm good to go. Wife unknowingly brings it home from work, or my daughter does. Asymptomatic..........I test clean in the morning, but I get it later that day. Do we test everyone daily?
This is where people have to look to those who are the most qualified.
Not having symptoms is the fly in the ointment.
Each day we wake up we should be learning more. A world is pouring in resources to combat this.
We have to be patient. We need to do all we can. Then hope solutions will come.
If the State said to me right now that my seven year old grandson could go back to school. I would consult his parents and recommend that he doesn't go ---yet.
Until we make that decision. That is when it will happen. I have never relied upon the government to make my decisions.
I don't trust all I hear. Not from the white house or the State. I know they lie. Both parties. Politics is about lying. That is their job. Clinton was a really good liar. trump is a terrible liar. Because he doesn't care one iota about whether it is a lie or the truth whatever makes him look good. He has no moral compass at all.
Cool. I test negative, but get it later that day. Then what?
Take a guess.
“If you want a test you get a test.” Mmmmmmmm? More broken promises from the pos in the oval. Takes no responsibility for keeping the European door wide open and he let the virus come right on in. Blames China, Obama, Clinton. Lol. And Wants to start a conflict with China during a world pandemic. Pffft trump and his supporters can go to hell.
Cool. I test negative, but get it later that day. Then what?
You die or you don’t ...all because others were disrespectful by not social distancing, washing hands, masking up, and not staying home. Like those red neck trump supporters with guns threatening violence at state capitols across the country.
BTW About testing. You do know there is an highly accurate test that can tell if you had it right? But GOP leadership is satisfied with the death count rise and spin their wheels on testing. Pfffft
The horrible news.....the world 252,102 deaths worldwide. 68,934 in the USA.. it wouldn’t surprise me if the USA has half the world death tally by the time this is over. Thank you trump and thank you trump supporters....pfffft. What a out of control dumpster fire your leadership handed us all.
The horrible news.....the world 252,102 deaths worldwide. 68,934 in the USA.. it wouldn’t surprise me if the USA has half the world death tally by the time this is over. Thank you trump and thank you trump supporters....pfffft. What a out of control dumpster fire your leadership handed us all.
Last I looked we we are a little over 4% of the world's population but had over 1/3 of all cases and over 1/4 of all deaths.
Last I looked we we are a little over 4% of the world's population but had over 1/3 of all cases and over 1/4 of all deaths.
Haven't you heard? That is all a part of the Chinese plot. Somehow 184 nations had the coronavirus break out within their nations borders.
But somehow the numbers are so slanted in how terribly it impacted America.
There's no way that could be poor planning and reaction by those in power. It has to be the fault of the WHO, China, Obama, or some third entity. I mean it has to be the fault of someone else, right?
Unless the numbers are ticking up in places that have relaxed their orders more than a week ago, they really aren't valid, yet, for being tied to the relaxation of things. You can't relax things on Wednesday and look at an uptick on Friday and say OMGerd! It doesn't work like that.
If I'm remembering, the period from infection to showing of symptoms is anywhere from 2-14 days with the majority being at least a week.
Aside from that, an increase is completely expected, normal, and not an issue as long as it plateaus again. What you are wanting to avoid is that runaway exponential progression.
This is getting kinda widespread. A restaurant that I enjoy going to closed down when all of this first started. They then opened and fought to get a solid take-out system in place and they were *just* getting settled into a rhythm that was enough to support them and keep them going when this started, now he's looking at having to possible shut down completely again simply because he cannot find meat and it's a BBQ place.
"From Yale Epidemiologist, Jonathan Smith: As an infectious disease epidemiologist, at this point I feel morally obligated to provide some information on what we are seeing from a transmission dynamic perspective and how they apply to the social distancing measures. Like any good scientist I have noticed two things that are either not being articulated or not present in the “literature” of social media. I have also relied on my much smarter infectious disease epidemiologist friends for peer review of this post; any edits are from that peer review. Specifically, I want to make two aspects of these measures very clear and unambiguous. First, we are in the beginning of this epidemic’s trajectory. That means even with these distancing measures we will see cases and deaths continue to rise globally, nationally, and in our own communities in the coming weeks. This may lead some people to think that the social distancing measures are not working. They are. They may feel futile. They aren’t. You will feel discouraged. You should. This is normal in chaos. But this is normal epidemic trajectory. Stay calm. This enemy that we are facing is very good at what it does; we are not failing. We need everyone to hold the line as the epidemic inevitably gets worse. This is not my opinion; this is the unforgiving math of epidemics for which I and my colleagues have dedicated our lives to understanding with great nuance, and this disease is no exception. I want to help the community brace for this impact. Stay strong and with solidarity knowing with absolute certainty that what you are doing is saving lives, even as people begin getting sick and dying. You may feel like giving in. Don’t. Second, although social distancing measures have been (at least temporarily) well-received, there is an obvious-but-overlooked phenomenon when considering groups (i.e. families) in transmission dynamics. While social distancing decreases contact with members of society, it typically increases your contacts with family members /very close friends. This small and obvious fact has surprisingly profound implications on disease transmission dynamics. Study after study demonstrates that even if there is only a little bit of connection between groups (i.e. social dinners, playdates/playgrounds, etc.), the epidemic isn’t much different than if there was no measure in place. The same underlying fundamentals of disease transmission apply, and the result is that the community is left with all of the social and economic disruption but very little public health benefit. You should perceive your entire family to function as a single individual unit; if one person puts themselves at risk, everyone in the unit is at risk. Seemingly small social chains get large and complex with alarming geometric speed. If your son visits his girlfriend, and you later sneak over for coffee with a neighbor, your neighbor is now connected to the infected office worker that your son’s girlfriend’s mother shook hands with. This sounds silly, it’s not. This is not a joke or a hypothetical. We as epidemiologists see it borne out in the data time and time again and no one listens. Conversely, any break in that chain breaks disease transmission along that whole chain. In contrast to hand-washing and other personal measures, social distancing measures are not about individuals, they are about societies working in unison. These measures also take a long time to see the results. It is hard (even for me) to conceptualize how on a population level, ‘one quick little get together’ can undermine the entire framework of a public health intervention, but it does. I promise you it does. I promise. I promise. I promise. You can’t cheat it. People are already itching to cheat on the social distancing precautions just a “little”- a playdate, a haircut, or picking up a needless item at the store, etc. From a transmission dynamics standpoint, this very quickly recreates a highly connected social network that undermines all of the work the community has done so far. Until we get a viable vaccine this unprecedented outbreak will not be overcome in one grand, sweeping gesture, rather only by the collection of individual choices our community makes in the coming months. This virus is unforgiving to choices outside the rules. My goal in writing this is to prevent communities from getting ‘sucker-punched’ by what the epidemiological community knows will happen in the coming weeks. It will be easy to be drawn to the idea that what we are doing isn’t working and become paralyzed by fear, or to just ‘cheat’ a little bit in the coming weeks. By knowing what to expect, and knowing the importance of maintaining these measures, my hope is to encourage continued community spirit, strategizing, and action to persevere in this time of uncertainty.
Jonathan Smith is a lecturer in Epidemiology of Microbial Diseases and Global Health at Yale University, School of Public Health. Shared by Dr. Jerry K Davis, DVM, PhD retired VMO, FDA"
Last I looked we we are a little over 4% of the world's population but had over 1/3 of all cases and over 1/4 of all deaths.
Haven't you heard? That is all a part of the Chinese plot. Somehow 184 nations had the coronavirus break out within their nations borders.
But somehow the numbers are so slanted in how terribly it impacted America.
There's no way that could be poor planning and reaction by those in power. It has to be the fault of the WHO, China, Obama, or some third entity. I mean it has to be the fault of someone else, right?
Actually, it really isn't anything more than the same old story in most places: most countries simply aren't testing.
Look at the columns to the far right where it lists cases per 1M population. Tons of nations are barely scraping the surface, and while we're not tops we're doing ok.... and when viewed as Cases per 1M population, we are NOT the worst off (though we recently overtook France, Italy, Switzerland, & UK in this metric).
Overall, though, we're simply actually testing in all of our population centers and we have a LOT of densely populated areas with a MUCH larger population than most every other nation. Simply: bigger numbers are a mathematical expectation.
I tried providing you with cold hard data over the last week or so, along with ample evidence this wasn't engineered in a lab or escaped from a lab, but you keep pulling data that doesn't tell the whole story.
You're engaging in awful confirmation bias to support your idea that Switzerland had the right idea, and listening to alt-right nonsense boiled up in xenophobia.
As Clem asked Peen yesterday, I'll ask the same of you.
Take off your "I despise all liberal and progressive facts" glasses and please for your own sake and other consider the actual facts.
Unless the numbers are ticking up in places that have relaxed their orders more than a week ago, they really aren't valid, yet, for being tied to the relaxation of things. You can't relax things on Wednesday and look at an uptick on Friday and say OMGerd! It doesn't work like that.
If I'm remembering, the period from infection to showing of symptoms is anywhere from 2-14 days with the majority being at least a week.
Aside from that, an increase is completely expected, normal, and not an issue as long as it plateaus again. What you are wanting to avoid is that runaway exponential progression.
I agree today's numbers don't reflect the rampant stupidity that many of us have witnessed already. It will take two weeks to see those numbers.
But I do have a question for the thinkers on the board: If we want to avoid exponential progression considering the highly infectious rate of spread this virus has already displayed and the idiocy of anti-containment that has already been displayed, how do we NOT reach exponential progression without further restrictions?
Here's yet another point I would like to address. It's an example of how government and business like to do things to make you "feel safe" when it really does little to actually make you safer.
We hear all of this noise about how business will "take people's temperatures before they allow employees to enter the building". Now most of us know that somewhere around 50% give or take of people infected with Covid 19 are asymptomatic. That means they have no fever, no cough or other symptoms to let anyone, including themselves, know they have the virus.
So how does taking your employees temperature before entering the building really help? Not much.
Unless the numbers are ticking up in places that have relaxed their orders more than a week ago, they really aren't valid, yet, for being tied to the relaxation of things. You can't relax things on Wednesday and look at an uptick on Friday and say OMGerd! It doesn't work like that.
If I'm remembering, the period from infection to showing of symptoms is anywhere from 2-14 days with the majority being at least a week.
Aside from that, an increase is completely expected, normal, and not an issue as long as it plateaus again. What you are wanting to avoid is that runaway exponential progression.
You are correct. It does take about 14 days to show up. I think what may be a more accurate statement is that many of the states that are experiencing outbreaks now, never had strict lock down guidelines to begin with.
This is getting kinda widespread. A restaurant that I enjoy going to closed down when all of this first started. They then opened and fought to get a solid take-out system in place and they were *just* getting settled into a rhythm that was enough to support them and keep them going when this started, now he's looking at having to possible shut down completely again simply because he cannot find meat and it's a BBQ place.
I feel the meat shortage will worsen in the future.
1 hog farmer I know felt fortunate to be able to sell his hogs (250) just last week.
Another is offering to sell to the public, as opposed to processors.
They feed them, but can't keep them indefinitely.
Price of beef is rapidly rising, at least around here. Stopped at a local butcher shop to buy some sirloins - they were out.
I've heard that some meat farmers are killing the animals......because they can't be processed?
We more than likely will have a meat shortage soon. May not be long lasting, as other countries may see an opportunity in shipping meat here.........but, who wants meat processed overseas in conditions that might not meet USDA standards?
I’ve been saying the same thing all along. Taking a temp has no impact. By the time you do run a temp you’ve been breathing out the virus for days to weeks.
Get this... yesterday I walked in to a care facility. An assisted living. They wanted to take my temp at the door, orally. I had put my N95 on in my car. I wasn’t about to take it off. I was professional and polite but I refused to remove my mask. For their safety and mine. I asked if the nursing station had a temporal scanning thermometer or stated I’d take my temp axillary (under my armpit). They found a temporal scanner and checked me in. This is the second time I’ve come across this in care facilities. I couldn’t believe this time though. The first one was over a month ago. Pre PPE being available or mandated. Now all care homes are requiring masks on staff.... but first they walk in the door and remove it to take their oral temp...?
This is getting kinda widespread. A restaurant that I enjoy going to closed down when all of this first started. They then opened and fought to get a solid take-out system in place and they were *just* getting settled into a rhythm that was enough to support them and keep them going when this started, now he's looking at having to possible shut down completely again simply because he cannot find meat and it's a BBQ place.
I feel the meat shortage will worsen in the future.
1 hog farmer I know felt fortunate to be able to sell his hogs (250) just last week.
Another is offering to sell to the public, as opposed to processors.
They feed them, but can't keep them indefinitely.
Price of beef is rapidly rising, at least around here. Stopped at a local butcher shop to buy some sirloins - they were out.
I've heard that some meat farmers are killing the animals......because they can't be processed?
We more than likely will have a meat shortage soon. May not be long lasting, as other countries may see an opportunity in shipping meat here.........but, who wants meat processed overseas in conditions that might not meet USDA standards?
I was talking to a rancher who informed me of something I never heard of...
They can only sell their stock when it is a certain size. Otherwise you end up with Fred Flintstone Steaks.
Does the u.s. have inspectors in over seas/out of country plants monitoring the production? Or, do we just check a few steaks here and there, and take the other countries word that it's clean, and fresh, and was processed properly?
Do you have any idea how much meat has been imported into this country? In 2015 we imported 3.37 billion pounds of beef alone. So far it seems that you're concerned with a red herring.
Instead of just trying to start an argument why don't you actually read the article and see how it is inspected and what the process actually is. Then get back to me.
Would change Actins orders: to a recommendation to the Asembly to give an up or down vote:
Not too harsh of a check in power imo, give the democratic process some ability, Not as much as the people to vote, but at least representatives a chance to vote instead of Top Down Tyrany by Dictate.
Just saw trump get off AF1/2 and extended his hand to the AZ gov. The AZ gov pulled his hand back...what an ass right?
I'd have no problem shaking hands with 10 people, as long as everyone knows how to wash their hands with soap and water for 20 seconds before touching their face and eyes, I personally am more concerned about breathing others' breath from the sourounding air and contacting that same air with your eyes and mouth.
Would change Actins orders: to a recommendation to the Asembly to give an up or down vote:
Not too harsh of a check in power imo, give the democratic process some ability, Not as much as the people to vote, but at least representatives a chance to vote instead of Top Down Tyrany by Dictate.
Would change Actins orders: to a recommendation to the Asembly to give an up or down vote:
Not too harsh of a check in power imo, give the democratic process some ability, Not as much as the people to vote, but at least representatives a chance to vote instead of Top Down Tyrany by Dictate.
What a bunch of deplorable non-science sexist pigs.
'Live and Let Die' blasts as President Trump visits mask factory LA Times Randall Roberts ,LA Times•May 5, 2020
As President Trump toured an N95 mask manufacturing plant in Phoenix on Tuesday, his visit through the facility was accompanied by a head-scratching musical soundtrack: the Paul McCartney-penned “Live and Let Die,” as performed by Guns 'N Roses.
The president and his entourage were touring a Honeywell factory that produces the masks, worn by medical workers to protect them from breathing in the deadly COVID-19 virus. Standing next to a green bin filled with hundreds of masks, a notably un-face-masked Trump watched an employee work as the music segued from the Animals' "House of the Rising Sun" into the song McCartney wrote and recorded for the James Bond film of the same name.
The background music for the tour also included Trump rally stalwarts such as Lee Greenwood's "God Bless the U.S.A." and Survivor's "Eye of the Tiger." In a tweet, Jimmy Kimmel noted: "I can think of no better metaphor for this presidency than Donald Trump not wearing a face mask to a face mask factory while the song 'Live and Let Die' blares in the background."
The song's climactic blast of music arrived as a Honeywell representative was explaining to the president the ways in which the mask's material protects against particulates. As he was doing so, Rose could be heard yowling, "If this ever-changing world in which we live in / Makes you give in and cry / say live and let die."
Needless to say, it wasn't just Kimmel confounded by the scene.
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So far, Rose, an outspoken Trump critic, has yet to comment. But a few years ago he called the president the "gold standard of what can be considered disgraceful." More recently, he tweeted a photo of an anti-Trump baseball cap.
Would change Actins orders: to a recommendation to the Asembly to give an up or down vote:
Not too harsh of a check in power imo, give the democratic process some ability, Not as much as the people to vote, but at least representatives a chance to vote instead of Top Down Tyrany by Dictate.
Good!!! She cannot be trusted. And, I do not want to hear she cares about life. She does not care about life. If she did Planned Parenthood would have been shutdown during this pandemic.
Nobody has suggested that so I will igniter it as propaganda. We have said "Not yet." The problem is with the rush to do this without testing that was promised, any vaccine in place that is proven, any documentation for adequate tracking in a comprehensive plan, and any proof that we can "mitigate" or "whack it!" Line up and drink your bleach. This entire debacle has been worse than I can remember. If you want to open faster, then do what was promised Open safely. Ohio is screwing it up now IMO. Kushner was incompetent and Trump indifferent. If the first 60,000 plus didn't matter, then the ones we will add to them are probably acceptable. haste lays waste. We seemed to have lessened America IMO.
Nobody has suggested that so I will igniter it as propaganda. We have said "Not yet." The problem is with the rush to do this without testing that was promised, any vaccine in place that is proven, any documentation for adequate tracking in a comprehensive plan, and any proof that we can "mitigate" or "whack it!"
Exactly .... we still have insufficient data to make any intelligent decisions because testing is totally insufficient.
Would change Actins orders: to a recommendation to the Asembly to give an up or down vote:
Not too harsh of a check in power imo, give the democratic process some ability, Not as much as the people to vote, but at least representatives a chance to vote instead of Top Down Tyrany by Dictate.
Good!!! She cannot be trusted. And, I do not want to hear she cares about life. She does not care about life. If she did Planned Parenthood would have been shutdown during this pandemic.
Just curious why you feel she can't be trusted? Because her suggestions don't line up with the "Open the Country" narrative?
If the governors would have just followed the rules and worked with the State Legislatures to pass bills to handle this situation everyone would have been more comfortable with things and public outcry would probably be about zero.
The governors over-stepped their authority and done too much on their own, and the legislature and the courts, who are supposed to keep the balance of power done nothing. This has made people very uneasy. This all could have been avoid if they had just followed the rules.
Sadly, we are probably going to be stuck dealing with this for a long time.
I personally don't think we will have a vaccine for this for 5 years.
I know a few dozen have entered trials, but there is no guarantee they will work, and we don't know the side effects. It isn't as easy to just develop a vaccine. I do know that they have found that previous vaccines for other Coronavirus like infections such H1N1, SARS, and MERS don't attach or show much in common with COVID 19 and that makes it like starting from scratch in making a vaccine whereas the other dieseases shared enough similiar traits to re-use parts of previous vaccines.
Were probably in for a long ride with this one. If we don't get a workable vaccine in the 1st year it will be a very long time before we get one for this.
Money over life. We know how ya’ll roll GOPers. Gotta get me my slaves back to work so my bottom line isn’t hit too much. Pffft ... too bad they won’t be able to afford to buy meat on their pittance of a minimum wage they’ll be earning while putting their lives on the line for their greedy ass bosses.
Would change Actins orders: to a recommendation to the Asembly to give an up or down vote:
Not too harsh of a check in power imo, give the democratic process some ability, Not as much as the people to vote, but at least representatives a chance to vote instead of Top Down Tyrany by Dictate.
Good!!! She cannot be trusted. And, I do not want to hear she cares about life. She does not care about life. If she did Planned Parenthood would have been shutdown during this pandemic.
Just curious why you feel she can't be trusted? Because her suggestions don't line up with the "Open the Country" narrative?
She does not care about life! She kept Planned Parenthood open. You cannot care about life and destroy the most innocent among life.
So the law of the land is that abortions are legal. Your premise seems to be that if she doesn't interfere in something that is legal, she can't be trusted and doesn't care about life.
So the law of the land is that abortions are legal. Your premise seems to be that if she doesn't interfere in something that You disagree with, she can't be trusted and doesn't care about life.
So the law of the land is that abortions are legal. Your premise seems to be that if she doesn't interfere in something that is legal, she can't be trusted and doesn't care about life.
She closed everything else why did she not close down Planned Parenthood.
Would change Actins orders: to a recommendation to the Asembly to give an up or down vote:
Not too harsh of a check in power imo, give the democratic process some ability, Not as much as the people to vote, but at least representatives a chance to vote instead of Top Down Tyrany by Dictate.
What a bunch of deplorable non-science sexist pigs.
Here's a sampling of the type that backed this bill. Embarrassing look for Ohio...
GOP State Rep. Nino Vitale on why he won’t wear a face mask: “This is the greatest nation on earth founded on Judeo-Christian Principles. One of those principles is that we are all created in the image and likeness of God. That image is seen the most by our face.”
It's a tough field with all of Trump's clangers ... but this might be the single dumbest thing I have heard since this all started. And he's an elected official. Wowzer.
Would change Actins orders: to a recommendation to the Asembly to give an up or down vote:
Not too harsh of a check in power imo, give the democratic process some ability, Not as much as the people to vote, but at least representatives a chance to vote instead of Top Down Tyrany by Dictate.
Good!!! She cannot be trusted. And, I do not want to hear she cares about life. She does not care about life. If she did Planned Parenthood would have been shutdown during this pandemic.
Day of the Dawg
Whoa, I did not post the part in yellow, make it clear. THROW LONG
GOP State Rep. Nino Vitale on why he won’t wear a face mask: “This is the greatest nation on earth founded on Judeo-Christian Principles. One of those principles is that we are all created in the image and likeness of God. That image is seen the most by our face.”
It's a tough field with all of Trump's clangers ... but this might be the single dumbest thing I have heard since this all started. And he's an elected official. Wowzer.
I tried providing you with cold hard data over the last week or so, along with ample evidence this wasn't engineered in a lab or escaped from a lab, but you keep pulling data that doesn't tell the whole story.
You're engaging in awful confirmation bias to support your idea that Switzerland had the right idea, and listening to alt-right nonsense boiled up in xenophobia.
As Clem asked Peen yesterday, I'll ask the same of you.
Take off your "I despise all liberal and progressive facts" glasses and please for your own sake and other consider the actual facts.
Are you responding to me??
Absolutely none of what you said there pertains to me. I am not Alt-Right. I do not despise facts; I embrace facts.
It's Sweden, not Switzerland, and they DO have the right idea and their numbers are showing it regardless of your ability or willingness to comprehend it... and I have no xenophobia no matter how much you love to throw around that word to try to belittle people with it.
lastly, NOBODY has shown ANY shred of evidence that it did not escape from a lab. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. People have put forth reasoned and educated opinion that backs up the unlikeliness of it having been engineered, but absolutely nothing to even support or suggest that it didn't come from a lab - e.g. wild virus escaped, not made in the lab. There is also absolutely nothing, one way or the other to discredit assertions that work was not being done in that lab - in fact, we have straight up knowledge that worek WAS being done - to enhance transimissibility to humans.
So the law of the land is that abortions are legal. Your premise seems to be that if she doesn't interfere in something that is legal, she can't be trusted and doesn't care about life.
She closed everything else why did she not close down Planned Parenthood.
psstt bro Ohio did list abortions as a nonessential surgery. I judge overturned that, which is why abortions could still be done.
"I think there are a few possibilities to explain this: 1) these people are lying about staying home 2) they're staying home but their family members are going out and bringing the virus into the home 3) they're going out for groceries/necessities, etc, but are lax about masks/social distancing, washing hands."
Would change Actins orders: to a recommendation to the Asembly to give an up or down vote:
Not too harsh of a check in power imo, give the democratic process some ability, Not as much as the people to vote, but at least representatives a chance to vote instead of Top Down Tyrany by Dictate.
Good!!! She cannot be trusted. And, I do not want to hear she cares about life. She does not care about life. If she did Planned Parenthood would have been shutdown during this pandemic.
Just curious why you feel she can't be trusted? Because her suggestions don't line up with the "Open the Country" narrative?
She does not care about life! She kept Planned Parenthood open. You cannot care about life and destroy the most innocent among life.
I am personally against abortion, but it isn't illegal so how can you expect them to close? They provide healthcare services to many women, not just abortion.
LOL Yes I have seen many of the folks who claim to stay home, out at the grocery stores or gas stations. People grabbing carts at walmart from the parking lots, standing in line with their hands, bellies, and other body parts leaning all over them while they stand in line 3 feet away from the person in front of them. Then 30 minutes later they grab a clorox wipe inside the store and give it a half ass wipe across the top of the buggy handle. They grab things off the shelf over and over to look at it then put it back on the shelf. They cough and sneeze without ever covering their mouth with anything. They grab all the shopping bags, load them in their car and never wash their hands. People wear masks, but they pull them off every 30 seconds by grabbing the front of the mask. They pull te masking down under their nose, or pull the mask down under their chin
I know people who have used up a full bottle of hand sanitizer in two weeks YET they didn't leave their own house WTF. People handle their mail every day and never wash their hands after they are done. They open packages that came in the mail again not bothering to wash their hands. The sit the boxes on their kitchen counters and coffee tables then don't sanitize the places where they threw them.
I swear there are so many people on this earth who shock me because they should have forgot how to breath by now, or how to eat or drink, because yes they are just that damn stupid.
They also pull up to the gas staion and grab that pump handle with a gusto. Never stopping to think how many others have had their grubby little paws all over the thing
Supreme Court declines to lift Pennsylvania COVID-19 health order
The Supreme Court on Wednesday denied a request to halt an order Pennsylvania's governor entered in March to close businesses in response to the coronavirus pandemic.
The petitioners, a conservative political action committee and several businesses, told the justices that Gov. Tom Wolf's (D) executive order "has and is continuing to cause irreparable harm."
The court’s denial of the request, issued without comment, means fewer than five of the nine justices supported the petition.
The outcome was unsurprising given the Supreme Court’s long recognition of broad government authority amid public health crises. Previously, the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania also denied the petitioners' request.
Earlier this week, Pennsylvania's attorney general filed a 43-page response to the justices defending the legality of Wolf’s order and urging the high court not to intervene.
“Applicants seek to upend the status quo and force Pennsylvania to prematurely reopen all business locations, regardless of public health data and contrary to the phased reopening currently underway based on that data,” the state’s attorney general Josh Shapiro wrote.
“Such a premature precipitous action, according to experts, will cost lives,” he added.
In Pennsylvania, more than 3,300 have died and 54,800 have been sickened with the virus, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
This is from a couple weeks ago. The article talks about the large increase of people dying at home that many never sought care or got tested for covid. States that the actual death toll in NYC could be greater than reported.
Coronavirus Live Updates THE CORONAVIRUS CRISIS After Deaths At Home Spike In NYC, Officials Plan To Count Many As COVID-19 April 8, 20201:56 AM ET GWYNNE HOGAN
FROM WNYC Radio
New York City officials will begin to count suspected COVID-19 deaths in addition to cases confirmed by a laboratory, following a WNYC/Gothamist report revealing a staggering increase in the number of people dying at home but not included in the official tally because they hadn't been tested for the novel coronavirus.
In a statement, Stephanie Buhle, a spokeswoman for the New York City's Health Department, confirmed the change in protocol.
"The Office of the Chief Medical Examiner (OCME) and the NYC Health Department are working together to include into their reports deaths that may be linked to COVID but not lab confirmed that occur at home," she said. She didn't say when the city would begin reporting suspected deaths along with the overall count.
The announcement comes as New York City, which has been hardest-hit by the virus, saw its largest single-day toll so far from the COVID-19 pandemic, with 727 dying in a 24-hour period.
However, even those numbers failed to include many instances when first responders encountered someone who had already died at home or in other non-hospital settings. That happened 280 times on Monday, according to data from the city's Fire Department.
While not all of those deaths are necessarily caused by COVID-19, it's a sharp increase over the average 25 home deaths per day the city was experiencing before the pandemic swept the five boroughs.
Over the last two weeks, the city's fire officials said more than 2,192 New York City residents died in their homes, compared to 453 during the same time period last year.
As of Tuesday afternoon, a total of 3,555 people was confirmed to have died from the virus in the five boroughs.
Mayor Bill de Blasio acknowledged on Tuesday that the vast majority of deaths taking place at home were likely also due to COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus, meaning the death toll could be as much as 70% higher than currently reported figures.
"We do want to know the truth about every death at home, but it's safe to assume that the vast majority are coronavirus related," he said. "That makes it even more sober, the sense of how many people we are losing."
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REVEALED: 66% of New York state coronavirus hospitalizations are people staying at HOME
"I think there are a few possibilities to explain this: 1) these people are lying about staying home 2) they're staying home but their family members are going out and bringing the virus into the home 3) they're going out for groceries/necessities, etc, but are lax about masks/social distancing, washing hands."
CORONAVIRUS Kemp Warns Of Growing Outbreak Stressing Northeast Georgia ASSOCIATED PRESS • MAY 6, 2020 A member of the Georgia National Guard works to clean and disinfect hallways and common areas at Provident Village assisted living and memory care home Tuesday, May 5, 2020, in Smyrna, Ga. Despite having no cases among residents or staff the home welcomed the extra help from the guard. (AP Photo/John Bazemore) A member of the Georgia National Guard works to clean and disinfect hallways and common areas at Provident Village assisted living and memory care home Tuesday, May 5, 2020, in Smyrna, Ga. Despite having no cases among residents or staff the home welcomed the extra help from the guard. (AP Photo/John Bazemore) 'Add to My List' icon Add to My List Gov. Brian Kemp warned on Tuesday that a growing coronavirus outbreak is stressing resources in northeast Georgia.
Kemp has moved aggressively to allow businesses to reopen even though infections are on the rise in some areas of the state. He made his remarks about northeast Georgia while touring a temporary medical pod in the southwestern city of Albany, one of the state’s earliest and worst hot spots for COVID-19.
The state Department of Public health reports that nearly 30,000 Georgians have had coronavirus infections confirmed by a test. About 1,300 in the state of 10.6 million people have died.
Gainesville, a city about 50 miles northeast of Atlanta that is synonymous with Georgia’s large poultry industry, is quickly becoming one of the state’s most affected areas.
Per-capita infection rates in Gainesville’s Hall County and in nearby Habersham County are now in the top 10% of counties statewide, a list that otherwise remains mostly dominated by counties in south and southwest Georgia.
“They’re being stressed pretty hard up there at the moment,” Kemp said Tuesday while touring a temporary medical pod in southwest Georgia, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. The Republican governor said contract medical workers have been sent to the Gainesville area to help fight the outbreak. A temporary medical pod is planned there as well.
Dave Palmer, spokesman for a 13-county public health district based in Gainesville, said the district has been sending out messages in Spanish as well as English, hoping to reach the large Spanish-speaking population concentrated in Hall County. Palmer said the district has also been holding weekly conference calls with poultry processors, encouraging them to communicate with employees about signs of illness and how to prevent infection.
Georgia became a lightning rod for criticism in the national debate over reopening when Kemp moved to allow businesses such as tattoo parlors, bowling alleys and hair and nail salons to reopen with restrictions in late April. Restaurants and movie theaters have since been able to welcome customers back in on a limited basis, and a statewide shelter-at-home order has expired.
Kemp has repeatedly defended the push by saying it was backed by experts and data, including steadily growing numbers of tests being reported to the state.
“Our goal is to use every single test we’ve got every single day and … try to break the system,” Kemp told The Associated Press last week.
Although there have been one-day totals that were higher, the total number of tests reported each day in Georgia has averaged between 7,000 and 8,000 a day in the past week. That’s nearly double what the state was averaging when Kemp started his push to expand testing. The state has reached Public Health Commissioner Kathleen Toomey’s stated goal of getting to 200,000 total tests.
But efforts to expand testing are showing strain, with mobile testing sites paused this week because of problems with information flow and reporting results to those tested.
Dr. Philip Coule, chief medical officer of Augusta University Health, said on Tuesday that full mobile testing was unlikely to resume until Thursday. He said about 2,000 test results — about two days’ worth — are backlogged.
“We’re committed to maximizing testing for Georgians and we’re committed to making sure Georgians are getting their results in a timely manner,” Coule said.
The pause follows complaints about delays in people getting results. The state cobbled together additional lab capacity at universities that don’t usually perform medical testing for individual patients, and Coule said information flow has been a problem. He said test site workers are also being retrained to collect full information to allow matching of tests with individual identities. The call center at Augusta University sometimes has difficulty notifying people who may not answer their phone, Coule also said.
Toy Jackson, a flight attendant, told WSB-TV on Friday that she had been tested at a mobile site in Atlanta on April 24 and had gone a week without hearing back.
“And they guaranteed 72-hour results,” Jackson said.
There are other obstacles besides information flow. Coule said Augusta’s labs could run another 1,000 tests a day on existing machines, but can’t obtain the chemicals needed.
In another facet of Georgia’s effort, the National Guard continues to disinfect long-term care facilities.
Pat Mobley, executive director of the Provident Village assisted living and memory care home, proudly displayed a large envelope with results from last week’s 100% negative COVID-19 tests. But Mobley, a veteran of the MERS virus outbreak in New Jersey, said she “just couldn’t decline their help.”
As the team of young soldiers moved through the 5-year-old facility, their thick suits made an eerie crunching sound in quiet hallways. For an hour, they sprayed tables in a now unused dining room, and disinfected the activity rooms and hallway railings.
I heard very strong evidence today that the virus is from God because of republicans letting Trump of the hook for all his crimes! I think I'll go with this as my new facts since we live in a world that values money over lives.
Would change Actins orders: to a recommendation to the Asembly to give an up or down vote:
Not too harsh of a check in power imo, give the democratic process some ability, Not as much as the people to vote, but at least representatives a chance to vote instead of Top Down Tyrany by Dictate.
What a bunch of deplorable non-science sexist pigs.
Here's a sampling of the type that backed this bill. Embarrassing look for Ohio...
Governments have the moral imperative to save lives and save jobs. They have to do both.
If the economy was doing so great, everybody should be fine for a month or two without going to work to save lives. But guess what? The economy was only good for the wealthy, and now for their own survival they want to put others at risk and to get their slave labor back stat. Too bad so sad. Most of their slave labor is now bringing in more money than going back to work for their greedy employers.
AP Exclusive: US shelves detailed guide to reopening country By JASON DEAREN and MIKE STOBBE 23 minutes ago
GAINESVILLE, Fla. (AP) — The Trump administration has shelved a document created by the nation’s top disease investigators with step-by-step advice to local authorities on how and when to reopen restaurants and other public places during the still-raging coronavirus outbreak.
The 17-page report by a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention team, titled “Guidance for Implementing the Opening Up America Again Framework,” was researched and written to help faith leaders, business owners, educators and state and local officials as they begin to reopen.
It was supposed to be published last Friday, but agency scientists were told the guidance “would never see the light of day,” according to a CDC official. The official was not authorized to talk to reporters and spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity.
The AP obtained a copy from a second federal official who was not authorized to release it. The guidance was described in AP stories last week, prior to the White House decision to shelve it.
The Trump administration has been closely controlling the release of guidance and information during the pandemic spurred by a new coronavirus that scientists are still trying to understand, with the president himself leading freewheeling daily briefings until last week.
Traditionally, it’s been the CDC’s role to give the public and local officials guidance and science-based information during public health crises. During this one, however, the CDC has not had a regular, pandemic-related news briefing in nearly two months. CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield has been a member of the White House coronavirus task force, but largely absent from public appearances.
The dearth of real-time, public information from the nation’s experts has struck many current and former government health officials as dangerous.
“CDC has always been the public health agency Americans turn to in a time of crisis,” said Dr. Howard Koh, a Harvard professor and former health official in the Obama administration during the H1N1 swine flu pandemic in 2009. “The standard in a crisis is to turn to them for the latest data and latest guidance and the latest press briefing. That has not occurred, and everyone sees that.”
The Trump administration has instead sought to put the onus on states to handle COVID-19 response. This approach to managing the pandemic has been reflected in President Donald Trump’s public statements, from the assertion that he isn’t responsible for the country’s lackluster early testing efforts, to his description last week of the federal government’s role as a “supplier of last resort” for states in need of testing aid.
A person close to the White House’s coronavirus task force said the CDC documents were never cleared by CDC leadership for public release. The person said that White House officials have refrained from offering detailed guidance for how specific sectors should reopen because the virus is affecting various parts of the country differently. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.
The rejected reopening guidance was described by one of the federal officials as a touchstone document that was to be used as a blueprint for other groups inside the CDC who are creating the same type of instructional materials for other facilities.
The guidance contained detailed advice for making site-specific decisions related to reopening schools, restaurants, summer camps, churches, day care centers and other institutions. It had been widely shared within the CDC and included detailed “decision trees,” flow charts to be used by local officials to think through different scenarios. One page of the document can be found on the CDC website via search engines, but it did not appear to be linked to any other CDC pages.
Some of the report’s suggestions already appear on federal websites. But the guidance offered specific, tailored recommendations for reopening in one place.
For example, the report suggested restaurants and bars should install sneeze guards at cash registers and avoid having buffets, salad bars and drink stations. Similar tips appear on the CDC’s site and a Food and Drug Administration page.
But the shelved report also said that as restaurants start seating diners again, they should space tables at least 6 feet (1.8 meters) apart and try to use phone app technology to alert a patron when their table is ready to avoid touching and use of buzzers. That’s not on the CDC’s site now.
“You can say that restaurants can open and you need to follow social distancing guidelines. But restaurants want to know, ‘What does that look like?’ States would like more guidance,” said Dr. Marcus Plescia, chief medical officer of the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials.
The White House’s own “Opening Up America Again” guidelines released last month were more vague than the CDC’s unpublished report. They instructed state and local governments to reopen in accordance with federal and local “regulations and guidance” and to monitor employees for symptoms of COVID-19. The White House guidance also included advice developed earlier in the pandemic that remains important like social distancing and encouraging working from home.
At a briefing Wednesday, White House spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany echoed the administration’s stance that state’s are most responsible for their own COVID-19 response: “We’ve consulted individually with states, but as I said, it’s (a) governor-led effort. It’s a state-led effort on ... which the federal government will consult. And we do so each and every day.”
The CDC is hearing daily from state and county health departments looking for scientifically valid information with which to make informed decisions.
Still, behind the scenes, CDC scientists like those who produced the guidance for “Opening Up America Again″ are working to get information to local governments. The agency still employs hundreds of the world’s most respected epidemiologists and doctors, who in times of crisis are looked to for their expertise, said former CDC director Tom Frieden. People have clicked on the CDC’s coronavirus website more than 1.2 billion times.
States that directly reach out to the CDC can tap guidance that’s been prepared but that the White House has not released.
“I don’t think that any state feels that the CDC is deficient. It’s just the process of getting stuff out,” Plescia said.
So the law of the land is that abortions are legal. Your premise seems to be that if she doesn't interfere in something that is legal, she can't be trusted and doesn't care about life.
Going to church is legal.. or at least it used to be.
Military not accepting new recruits who've recovered from COVID-19
The Pentagon may no longer accept new recruits who have recovered from COVID-19, according to multiple reports.
A memo released by the United States Military Entrance Processing Command that is circulating on Twitter states that a history of COVID-19 confirmed by a laboratory test or clinical diagnosis is “permanently disqualifying.”
A Pentagon spokeswoman confirmed to Military Times, which first reported on the new policy, that the memo is authentic.
Applicants who fail screening won’t be tested but can return in 14 days if they are symptom-free, Military Times reported, citing the memo. Applicants who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 will have to wait 28 days after the diagnosis to report for a screening, based on the memo.
After returning, a COVID-19 diagnoses will be marked “permanently disqualifying,” according to the memo.
Recruits can apply for waivers for all permanently disqualifying conditions, but without further guidance for exceptions dealing with COVID-19, a review authority would not have justification to grant a waiver, Military Times notes.
A defense official confirmed to CNN that the Pentagon is considering the ban on recruiting COVID-19 survivors. The official told the outlet the guidance is being put in place because there is little understanding of the long-term effects of the virus.
I could be wrong but I could swear I heard the Ohio Governor say Churches were not limited in Ohio. Almost all of them have had remote services because they chose to not because they had too.
Over 43,000 US millionaires will get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each
At least 43,000 American millionaires who are too rich to get coronavirus stimulus checks are getting a far bigger boost — averaging $1.6 million each, according to a congressional committee.
The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act trumpeted its assistance for working families and small businesses, but it apparently contains an even bigger benefit for wealthy business owners, the committee found.
The act allows pass-through businesses — ones taxed under individual income, rather than corporate — an unlimited amount of deductions against their non-business income, such as capital gains, the Washington Post said. They can also use losses to avoid paying taxes in other years.
That gives the roughly 43,000 individual tax filers who make at least $1 million a year a savings of $70.3 billion — or about $1.6 million apiece, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.
Hedge-fund investors and real estate business owners are “far and away” the ones who will benefit the most, tax expert Steve Rosenthal told the Washington Post.
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) called it a “scandal” to “loot American taxpayers in the midst of an economic and human tragedy.”
Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) claimed that “someone wrongly seized on this health emergency to reward ultrarich beneficiaries.”
“For those earning $1 million annually, a tax break buried in the recent coronavirus relief legislation is so generous that its total cost is more than total new funding for all hospitals in America and more than the total provided to all state and local governments,” he stressed in a statement.
But you do you. I know I'm only going to talk about factual information rather than lead people astray with questionable arguments.
Actually, no, that does not address or counter anything.
It simply states that it was not man-made and that "the weight of evidence is that it was probably not intentional(ly released)".
The only thing talking about the possibility of accidental release, which is what I've been talking about, is "inconclusive" and the only person they cite as dismissing that it wasn't accidentally released is Fauci who also happens to be the guy that is on record as having paid that lab to do studies to "enhance transmissability".
So, no, that link doesn't really cover anything at all. Actually, it says a good amount in what it avoids saying. Saying it "evolved naturally" means nothing because the methods they were using would look exactly natural.
If something conclusive comes to show that I need to walk it back, I will gladly do so. I have an ego like everyone else, but I don't generally have a problem saying I was wrong.
On this, however, I am not prepared to say that I am. I recognize the possibility, just as I recognize the that I may not be. When you factor in that the lab WAS doing research on enhancing transmission of coronaviruses and then add in that patient zero reportedly worked at the Wuhan Lab and visited that wet market, it actually becomes highly probable that my take is valid. It is actually a 50/50 scenario, but given that this lab also has a shoddy reputation for procedures (or so I've read), then perhaps it starts to tilt more in my direction.
Give me something where people don't dance around their answers and I'm fine saying I was wrong.
I think there can be a big difference between being responsible, and intentionally doing harm. My guess is that this is the former w/o being the latter.
I think there can be a big difference between being responsible, and intentionally doing harm. My guess is that this is the former w/o being the latter.
I haven't been following for a little while ... but I guess I am leaning toward this being a result of experiments in the lab, and it somehow escaping. I do not think it was intentional. That would be something that could probably be statistically proven once enough data is collected on spread and point of origin etc .... and it would also be the start of something bad for everyone and all countries, China included.
Worrying that Trump - as he always does - is looking for someone to blame and will put pressure to investigate and twist any findings to his political use. Bush Cheney basically manufactured evidence of WoMD - there were none or they were so insignificant that it was basically a lie. . . . easily could happen again.
I don't have a problem with that either, so when I'm finally wrong about something I'll do the same. Until then, all things Trump are bad and punishable by jail IMHO. Oh, and covid is natural even if it was being messed with in a lab, which I doubt but won't rule out at this point.
I don't have a problem with that either, so when I'm finally wrong about something I'll do the same.
Dude, have you forgotten your near 4 year rant about Trump? Won't even make it to the inauguration. Won't make it 1 year as president. Collusion. Russia. Stormy. Avennatti. Mueller report..................it just went on and on with you and crap that hasn't stuck to anything. And in fact, we're now finding out the truth about Comey, and too many of the investigations that had no proof.
Your predictions have been as wrong as anything on earth could possibly be wrong. You have failed at every prediction. Yet, you've not once said 'i was wrong'. Shows a lot about you. Oh, Bernie won't be president either.
Your predictions are ......poor, to say the least.
My predictions didn't factor in the republicans turning a blind eye to criminality on this scale and forfeiting their morality for the cult of Trump. I also didn't expect a crook like Barr being his fixer at the DOJ. Their will be a lot to answer for when the pendulum swings the other way and I will be one of the loudest voices calling for justice to be served.
But you do you. I know I'm only going to talk about factual information rather than lead people astray with questionable arguments.
Actually, no, that does not address or counter anything.
It simply states that it was not man-made and that "the weight of evidence is that it was probably not intentional(ly released)".
The only thing talking about the possibility of accidental release, which is what I've been talking about, is "inconclusive" and the only person they cite as dismissing that it wasn't accidentally released is Fauci who also happens to be the guy that is on record as having paid that lab to do studies to "enhance transmissability".
So, no, that link doesn't really cover anything at all. Actually, it says a good amount in what it avoids saying. Saying it "evolved naturally" means nothing because the methods they were using would look exactly natural.
Saw this today ...
WASHINGTON — A private analysis of cellphone location data purports to show that a high-security Wuhan laboratory studying coronaviruses shut down in October, three sources briefed on the matter told NBC News. U.S. spy agencies are reviewing the document, but intelligence analysts examined and couldn't confirm a similar theory previously, two senior officials say.
The report — obtained by the London-based NBC News Verification Unit — says there was no cellphone activity in a high-security portion of the Wuhan Institute of Virology from Oct. 7 through Oct. 24, 2019, and that there may have been a "hazardous event" sometime between Oct. 6 and Oct. 11.
well, that doesn't give me warm-n-fuzzies... and it potentially rolls back the timeline an entire month.
Edit: Since we now have a confirmed case in France back in December, I'd say that the entire timeline has already been rolled back at least a month. I'd say that it is looking far more likely that all of this is because someone's pet escaped.
n the early days of the pandemic, the U.S. government turned down an offer to manufacture millions of N95 masks in America Aaron Davis 2 hrs ago 10 myths about the coronavirus vaccine you need to stop believing now Celeb weight-loss transformations revealed
It was Jan. 22, a day after the first case of covid-19 was detected in the United States, and orders were pouring into Michael Bowen’s company outside Fort Worth, some from as far away as Hong Kong.
Bowen’s medical supply company, Prestige Ameritech, could ramp up production to make an additional 1.7 million N95 masks a week. He viewed the shrinking domestic production of medical masks as a national security issue, though, and he wanted to give the federal government first dibs.
“We still have four like-new N95 manufacturing lines,” Bowen wrote that day in an email to top administrators in the Department of Health and Human Services. “Reactivating these machines would be very difficult and very expensive but could be achieved in a dire situation.”
But communications over several days with senior agency officials — including Robert Kadlec, the assistant secretary for preparedness and emergency response — left Bowen with the clear impression that there was little immediate interest in his offer.
“I don’t believe we as an government are anywhere near answering those questions for you yet,” Laura Wolf, director of the agency’s Division of Critical Infrastructure Protection, responded that same day.
Bowen persisted.
“We are the last major domestic mask company,” he wrote on Jan. 23. “My phones are ringing now, so I don’t ‘need’ government business. I’m just letting you know that I can help you preserve our infrastructure if things ever get really bad. I’m a patriot first, businessman second.”
Bowen’s overture was described briefly in an 89-page whistleblower complaint filed this week by Rick Bright, former director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority. Bright alleges he was retaliated against by Kadlec and other officials — including being reassigned to a lesser post — because he tried to “prioritize science and safety over political expediency.” HHS has disputed his allegations.
Emails show Bright pressed Kadlec and other agency leaders on the issue of mask shortages — and Bowen’s proposal specifically — to no avail. On Jan. 26, Bright wrote to a deputy that Bowen’s warnings “seem to be falling on deaf ears.”
That day, Bowen sent Bright a more direct warning.
“U.S. mask supply is at imminent risk,” he wrote. “Rick, I think we’re in deep s---,” he wrote a day later.
The story of Bowen’s offer illustrates a missed opportunity in the early days of the pandemic, one laid out in Bright’s whistleblower complaint, interviews with Bowen and emails provided by both men.
Within weeks, a shortage of masks was endangering health-care workers in hard-hit areas across the country, and the Trump administration was scrambling to buy more masks — sometimes placing bulk orders with third-party distributors for many times the standard price. President Trump came under pressure to use extraordinary government powers to force private industry to ramp up production.
In a statement, White House economic adviser and coronavirus task force member Peter Navarro said: “The company was just extremely difficult to work and communicate with. This was in sharp contrast to groups like the National Council of Textile Organizations and companies like Honeywell and Parkdale Mills, which have helped America very rapidly build up cost effective domestic mask capacity measuring in the hundreds of millions.”
Carol Danko, an HHS spokeswoman, declined to comment on the offer by Bowen and other allegations raised in the whistleblower complaint. Wolf also declined to comment on the whistleblower complaint.
A senior U.S. government official with knowledge of the offer said Bowen, 62, has a “legitimate beef.”
“He was prescient, really,” the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to describe internal deliberations. “But the reality is [HHS] didn’t have the money to do it at that time.”
Another HHS official, also speaking on the condition of anonymity, said: “There is a process for putting out contracts. It wasn’t as fast as anyone wanted it to be.”
Bowen was a new product specialist at the plant back then, and he watched as industry consolidations and outsourcing shifted control of the plant from Tecnol Medical Products to Kimberly-Clark and then shuttered it altogether. In less than a decade, almost 90 percent of all U.S. mask production had moved out of the country, according to government reports at the time.
Bowen and Dan Reese, a former executive at Tecnol, went into business together in 2005 and eventually bought the plant, believing a market remained for a dedicated domestic manufacturer of protective gear.
In wake of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Congress appropriated $6 billion to buy antidotes to bioweapons and the medical supplies the country would need in public health disasters. An obscure new government organization called the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, or BARDA, was among the agencies purchasing material for what would become the Strategic National Stockpile.
Bowen began studying BARDA, attending its industry conferences and searching for a way in to press his case.
In the parlance of BARDA, Bowen was seeking a “warm base” contract. The government would pay a premium to have masks manufactured domestically, but his company would keep its extra factory lines in working order, meaning production could be ramped up in an emergency.
Bowen said he soon concluded that BARDA’s focus was trained elsewhere, on billion-dollar deals to induce manufacturing of vaccines for the most exotic disasters, such as weaponized attacks with anthrax or smallpox.
Still, as Bowen moved down the supply chain, appealing directly to hospitals to buy his domestic-made masks, his sales pitch often ended with a plea to call BARDA.
Bowen often carried PowerPoint slides from a 2007 presentation by BARDA and its parent division at HHS, the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response. One had a table showing that, in the event of a pandemic, the country would need 5.3 billion N95 respirator masks, 50 times more than the number in the stockpile. The presentation concluded: “Industrial surge capacity of [respiratory protection devices] will not be able to meet need and supplies will be short during a pandemic.”
Bowen said he felt like a voice in the wilderness.
“The world just looked at me as a mask salesman who was saying the sky was falling,” he said, “and they would say, ‘Your competitors aren’t saying that in China.’ ”
“I didn’t think Trump would read it, but I thought someone would and take note,” Bowen said.
He also called Bright, who had been appointed to lead BARDA just before Trump took office. “In 14 years of doing this, there have been maybe four people in government who I felt like really understood this issue,” Bowen said. “Rick was one of them.”
In Trump’s first year, however, Bowen grew newly disillusioned. During a week that the White House touted its “Buy American, Hire American” initiative, Bowen lost a military contract worth up to $1 million, to a supplier that would make many of the masks in Mexico, he said.
“Shame on the Department of Defense! One of these days the US military will need America’s manufacturers to help win another war or fight another pandemic — and they will not exist,” Bowen wrote on Aug. 17, 2017, to Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Clark, a senior official with the Pentagon’s Defense Health Agency.
Clark, who retired last year, did not respond to a message seeking comment.
Proposal to produce goes nowhere For Bowen, the first signs of trouble came in mid-January. Online orders through his company’s website, typically totaling maybe $2,000 a year and accounting for only a fraction of his business, suddenly skyrocketed to almost $700,000 in a few days.
On Jan. 20, Bowen also fielded a call from the Department of Homeland Security, urgently seeking masks for airport screeners. Bowen said he did not have masks in stock to fill the order, but the call led him to contact Bright to tell him about the surge in demand for masks. “Is this virus going to be problematic?” Bowen wrote.
Inside HHS, Bright quickly passed Bowen’s on-the-ground observations to a group that included Wolf, the director of the agency’s Division of Critical Infrastructure Protection.
“Can you please reach out to Mike Bowen below? He is a great partner and a really good source for helpful information,” Bright wrote on Jan. 21.
“Thanks Rick,” she replied. “We are tracking and have begun to coordinate with fda, niosh, and manufacturers today. More to follow tomorrow. Thinking about masks, gowns (inc those in shortage), gloves, and eye protection.”
Within a day, Bowen sent an email to Wolf laying out what Prestige could do. The company’s four mothballed manufacturing lines could be restarted with large noncancelable orders, he wrote.
“This is NOT something we would ever wish to do and have NO plans to do it on our own,” he wrote. “I’m simply letting you know that in a dire situation, it could be done.”
Over the next three days, Bowen kept HHS officials informed as orders for a million masks came in from intermediaries for buyers in China and Hong Kong. On Jan. 26, he sent the email warning that the U.S. mask supply was at “imminent risk.”
Bright forwarded it that day to Kadlec and others, urging action: “We have been watching and receiving warnings on this for over a week,” he wrote.
The next day, Bright wrote to his deputy asking him to explore whether BARDA could divert money earmarked for vaccines and other biodefense measures to instead buy masks.
From his end, Bowen said his proposal seemed to be going nowhere. “No one at HHS ever did get back to me in a substantive way,” Bowen said.
The senior U.S. official said Bowen’s idea was considered, but funding could not easily be obtained without diverting it from other projects.
Bowen started talking to reporters about the mask shortage in general terms. He was soon invited to appear on former Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon’s podcast: “War Room: Pandemic.”
On the Feb. 12 podcast, the two commiserated over the beleaguered state of U.S. manufacturing. “What I’ve been saying since 2007 is, ‘Guys, I’m warning you, here’s what is going to happen, let’s prepare,’ ” Bowen said on the program. “Because if you call me after it starts, I can’t help everybody.”
Bowen said Bannon put him in touch with Navarro, the White House economic adviser.
Navarro was quick to see the problem, Bowen said. After talking with Navarro, Bowen wrote to Bright that he should soon expect a call from the White House, “I’m pretty sure that my mask supply message will be heard by President Trump this week,” Bowen wrote. “Trump insider reading yesterday’s Wired.com article, the ball is screaming toward your court.”
According to Bright’s complaint, he soon began attending White House meetings and helping Navarro write memos describing the supply of masks as a top issue. Emails and memos attached to the complaint show Bright reporting back to Kadlec and others about his work with Navarro.
None of it turned the tide for Bowen.
Nearly a month after his emailed offer, Bowen received his first formal communication about possibly helping to bolster the U.S. supply. The five-page form letter from the Food and Drug Administration — one Bowen said he suspected was sent to many manufacturers — asked how his company could help with what was by then a “national emergency response” to the shortage of protective gear.
Bowen responded on Feb. 16, by firing off a terse email to FDA and HHS officials. He directed the agencies to a U.S. government website listing approved foreign manufacturers of medical masks. “There you’ll find a long list of . . . approved Chinese respirator companies,” he wrote. “Please send your long list of questions to them.”
In March, Bowen submitted a bid to supply masks to the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which by then had taken over purchasing.
The government soon spent over $600 million on contracts involving masks. Big companies like Honeywell and 3M were each awarded contracts totaling for over $170 million for protective gear. One distributor of tactical gear — a company with no history of procuring medical equipment — was awarded a $55 million deal to provide masks for as much as $5.50 a piece, eight times what the government was paying months earlier.
On April 7, FEMA awarded Prestige a $9.5 million contract to provide a million N95 masks a month for one year, an order the company could fulfill without activating its dormant manufacturing lines. For the masks, Prestige charged the government 79 cents a piece.
AP Exclusive: Docs show top WH officials buried CDC report By JASON DEAREN
GAINESVILLE, Fla. (AP) — The decision to shelve detailed advice from the nation’s top disease control experts for reopening communities during the coronavirus pandemic came from the highest levels of the White House, according to internal government emails obtained by The Associated Press.
The files also show that after the AP reported Thursday that the guidance document had been buried, the Trump administration ordered key parts of it to be fast-tracked for approval.
The trove of emails show the nation’s top public health experts at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention spending weeks working on guidance to help the country deal with a public health emergency, only to see their work quashed by political appointees with little explanation.
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The document, titled “Guidance for Implementing the Opening Up America Again Framework,” was researched and written to help faith leaders, business owners, educators and state and local officials as they begin to reopen. It included detailed “decision trees,” or flow charts aimed at helping local leaders navigate the difficult decision of whether to reopen or remain closed.
White House spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany said Friday that the documents had not been approved by CDC Director Robert Redfield. The new emails, however, show that Redfield cleared the guidance.
This new CDC guidance — a mix of advice already released along with newer information — had been approved and promoted by the highest levels of its leadership, including Redfield. Despite this, the administration shelved it on April 30.
As early as April 10, Redfield, who is also a member of the White House coronavirus task force, shared via email the guidance and decision trees with President Donald Trump’s inner circle, including his son-in-law Jared Kushner, top adviser Kellyanne Conway and Joseph Grogan, assistant to the president for domestic policy. Also included were Dr. Deborah Birx, Dr. Anthony Fauci and other task force members.
Three days later, CDC’s upper management sent the more than 60-page report with attached flow charts to the White House Office of Management and Budget, a step usually taken only when agencies are seeking final White House approval for documents they have already cleared.
The 17-page version later released by the AP and other news outlets was only part of the actual document submitted by the CDC, and targeted specific facilities like bars and restaurants. The AP obtained a copy Friday of the full document. That version is a more universal series of phased guidelines, “Steps for All Americans in Every Community,” geared to advise communities as a whole on testing, contact tracing and other fundamental infection control measures.
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Redfield weighed in publicly for the first time Saturday, issuing a statement that apparently contradicts his internal emails, and supports the White House assertion that he had not formally approved the guidance.
He said in the statement that the CDC guidance was in draft form and had not been vetted fully. “This is an iterative effort to ensure effective, clear guidance is presented to the American people. I had not seen a version of the guidance incorporating interagency and task force input and therefore was not yet comfortable releasing a final work product.”
But on April 24, Redfield again emailed the guidance documents to Birx and Grogan, according to a copy viewed by The AP. Redfield asked Birx and Grogan for their review so that the CDC could post the guidance publicly. Attached to Redfield’s email were the guidance documents and the corresponding decision trees — including one for meat packing plants.
“We plan to post these to CDC’s website once approved. Peace, God bless r3,” the director wrote. (Redfield’s initials are R.R.R.)
Redfield’s emails contradict the White House assertion Thursday that it had not yet approved the guidelines because the CDC’s own leadership had not yet given them the green light.
Two days after his email to Birx and Grogan, on April 26, the CDC still had not received any word from the administration, according to the internal communications. Robert McGowan, the CDC chief of staff who was shepherding the guidance through the OMB, sent an email seeking an update. “We need them as soon as possible so that we can get them posted,” he wrote to Nancy Beck, an OMB staffer.
Beck said she was awaiting review by the White House Principals Committee, a group of top White House officials. “They need to be approved before they can move forward. WH principals are in touch with the task force so the task force should be aware of the status,” Beck wrote to McGowan.
The next day, April 27, Satya Thallam of the OMB sent the CDC a similar response: “The re-opening guidance and decision tree documents went to a West Wing principals committee on Sunday. We have not received word on specific timing for their considerations.
“However, I am passing along their message: they have given strict and explicit direction that these documents are not yet cleared and cannot go out as of right now — this includes related press statements or other communications that may preview content or timing of guidances.”
According to the documents, CDC continued inquiring for days about the guidance that officials had hoped to post by Friday, May 1, the day Trump had targeted for reopening some businesses, according to a source who was granted anonymity because they were not permitted to speak to the press.
On April 30 the CDC’s documents were killed for good.
The agency had not heard any specific critiques from either the White House Principals Committee or the coronavirus task force in days, so officials asked for an update.
“The guidance should be more cross-cutting and say when they should reopen and how to keep people safe. Fundamentally, the Task Force cleared this for further development, but not for release,” wrote Quinn Hirsch, a staffer in the White House’s office of regulatory affairs (OIRA), in an email to the CDC’s parent agency, the Department of Health and Human Services.
CDC staff working on the guidance decided to try again.
The administration had already released its Opening Up America Again Plan, and the clock was ticking. Staff at CDC thought if they could get their reopening advice out there, it would help communities do so with detailed expert help.
But hours later on April 30, CDC’s Chief of Staff McGowan told CDC staff that neither the guidance documents nor the decision trees “would ever see the light of day,” according to three officials who declined to be named because they were not authorized to speak to reporters.
The next day, May 1, the emails showed, a staffer at CDC was told “we would not even be allowed to post the decision trees. We had the team (exhausted as they are) stand down.”
The CDC’s guidance was shelved. Until May 7.
That morning The Associated Press reported that the Trump administration had buried the guidance, even as many states had started allowing businesses to reopen.
After the story ran, the White House called the CDC and ordered them to refile all of the decision trees, except one that targeted churches. An email obtained by the AP confirmed the agency resent the documents late Thursday, hours after news broke.
“Attached per the request from earlier today are the decision trees previously submitted to both OIRA and the WH Task Force, minus the communities of faith tree,” read the email. “Please let us know if/when/how we are able to proceed from here
The heads of the CDC and FDA are in self quarantine after exposure at the White House on May 6. As of now, trumps valet, 2 pence staffers, Ivankas staffer and 11 secret service members have tested positive. One of pence staffers is steven millers wife
"Wrath of stupidity". Good title. I've seen lots of that recently.
First I'd like to give everyone a reminder. My wife was a virologist for the government.
There will be a second wave. There is little that can be done to prevent this. Staying at home might have kept you from getting the virus, but unless you're willing to stay home for the rest of your life, chances are you will eventually catch this.
There will be a third wave, but that will get the weak. Herd immunity will have been acheived by then.
Those of you wanting a guarantee of safety are being rather foolish. When you consider 1.25 million are killed each year in auto accidents, you're more likely to die in a car crash than from this virus. You're more likely to die from cancer. You're more likely to die of violence.
Shutting down the country is a delay tactic, not a resolution.
The best way to handle this is simple. Wear a mask, gloves, or whatever you think is needed when you are out. Limit the number of trips. Wash hands often. Everyone should know this by now. Closing down businesses only annoys people, and puts pepole out of work. It should be my choice to go out, not the governments.
Georgia reporting some good news!!! Some media folks will have egg on their faces but they will never admit it.
People arent staying at home either.
While New York, Michigan, Illinois, and other states show us how to use the virus to spread socialism. Georgia and Florida are showing the country how best to deal with the virus and keep our individual liberty.
Georgia reporting some good news!!! Some media folks will have egg on their faces but they will never admit it.
People arent staying at home either.
While New York, Michigan, Illinois, and other states show us how to use the virus to spread socialism. Georgia and Florida are showing the country how best to deal with the virus and keep our individual liberty.
To the people gathering on Capitol steps, with weapons. Congratulations, you epitomize natural selection. Giving a middle finger to the same health care workers, that wouldn’t think twice about saving your life, your family’s life.
Georgia reporting some good news!!! Some media folks will have egg on their faces but they will never admit it.
People arent staying at home either.
While New York, Michigan, Illinois, and other states show us how to use the virus to spread socialism. Georgia and Florida are showing the country how best to deal with the virus and keep our individual liberty.
Because there were too many people. But it's one of MANY beaches here, and most had people following the guidelines.
Naples is a little different here as they are the southern tip of inhabited Southwest Florida. They also have fewer access points, so of the 10 miles of beach they have, people tend to congregate in the 3-4 miles of easily accessible.
So the city is doing what they had to do, and will most likely reopen in a few days with stiffer warnings.
Much like kids, sometimes you need to enforce the rules to get get them to understand you are serious.
My wife was at Barefoot Beach, and she said it was very busy but everyone was at least 15-20 feet apart. which usually this time of year, they would be more like 6-8 feet if your lucky.
Yeah, my buddy lives and Naples and seems to think the mayor will open up the beach again soon and continue to monitor if people are following the guidelines.
Georgia reporting some good news!!! Some media folks will have egg on their faces but they will never admit it.
Quite the contrary The article noted hospitalization and patients on ventilators are down to lowest levels in a month which would mean that closing businesses were helping to reduce numbers given that it takes a couple weeks plus from first getting the virus to requiring hospitalization/ICU care.
You know have to look at new cases and where they are popping up and if hospitalizations trend up in a week or two on out from here
The hospitalization rate of the coronavirus disease?
The overall cumulative COVID-19 associated hospitalization rate is 4.6 per 100,000, with the highest rates in persons 65 years and older (13.8 per 100,000) and 50-64 years (7.4 per 100,000).
New York Governor finally changes his disastrous Nursing homes policy. Why he ever that thought putting Covid patients in nursing homes was a good idea is beyond me. To think he was even the toast of the media during the crisis because he told great stories about his Mom.
Plenty of jobs available at grocery stores for those out of work. How about they go social distance by delivering groceries rather than showing up to state houses with assault weapons?
With 4.6 out of 100,000 even going to the hospital, your computations are lacking.
From the CDC site 2 days ago;
Cumulative COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates since March 1, 2020, are updated weekly. The overall cumulative hospitalization rate is 50.3 per 100,000, with the highest rates in people 65 years and older (162.2 per 100,000) and 50-64 years (79.0 per 100,000).
With 4.6 out of 100,000 even going to the hospital, your computations are lacking.
From the CDC site 2 days ago;
Cumulative COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates since March 1, 2020, are updated weekly. The overall cumulative hospitalization rate is 50.3 per 100,000, with the highest rates in people 65 years and older (162.2 per 100,000) and 50-64 years (79.0 per 100,000).
Cumulative. The adjective cumulative describes the total amount of something when it's all added together. Eating a single chocolate doughnut is fine, but the cumulative effect of eating them all day is that you'll probably feel sick.
Cumulative. The adjective cumulative describes the total amount of something when it's all added together. Eating a single chocolate doughnut is fine, but the cumulative effect of eating them all day is that you'll probably feel sick.
The CDC numbers are cumulative. They also state the longer this goes on the worse the cumulative numbers will be
But the problem is percentages! Particularly the 4.6 out of 100K bit compared to info Lima posted from the CDC saying 50.3 out of 100K. See the problem? And knowing your propensity to do anything that paints Trump in a better light, one might think you are spreading propaganda.
And using Ohio as an example, of all those who have tested positive so far, 18.8% required hospitalization and 5.5% have died.
And my almost 84 yr old dad tested positive about 2 weeks ago, the nursing home told us they would treat him until his bloodwork numbers go down and then call hospice. He was never going to be admitted to a hospital. Saturday his blood numbers were in the normal range. But other than dimentia, he has no pre existing conditions not even overweight
Cumulative. The adjective cumulative describes the total amount of something when it's all added together. Eating a single chocolate doughnut is fine, but the cumulative effect of eating them all day is that you'll probably feel sick.
The CDC numbers are cumulative. They also state the longer this goes on the worse the cumulative numbers will be
From your CDC update of 2 days ago it does state 50.3 My CDC report was earlier.
Yours also states Nationally, visits to outpatient providers and emergency departments (EDs) for illnesses with symptoms consistent with COVID-19 continued to decline and are below baseline nationally and in all regions of the country. The decrease in the percentage of people presenting for care with ILI and CLI may be due to a decline in COVID-19 illness, which could be in part a result of widespread adoption of social distancing in addition to changes in healthcare seeking behavior.
Still, it is time to come out and return to work and life!
Heck, even Disney China is open and the kiddies are playing.
Come out Come out wherever you are.
Because China took the virus seriously. If there had been lockdown protesters they'd be in a gulag right now. They didn’t have snowflakes demanding their tips get frosted. The government of China locked everyone down. Delivered food. Made mask wearing mandatory. The Chinese people complied. They smashed their curve and can now resume living. We have idiots in riot gear calling it a hoax still, while wearing masks... that they refuse to wear to the store... because liberty!! We’re way behind where China is in all this.
You are so eager that others return to work, meanwhile will you even be out of your house 40? I mean, as far as I know you dabble in day trading from home and seem to be otherwise retired. So cheerleading others into risking themselves for your beliefs is kind of poor form if you ask me. I work from home too, and I'm indifferent as to rather my neighbor goes out to punch a clock today. I only want people to be safe and smart in their actions.
My wife has been working from home and I think her company wanting her to return to the office next week is BS. Her and two others will be on a rotation of one week in the office, then two weeks at home... They are being slammed with calls and orders, she processes many from home. But those in her office that5 chose to continue going in (mostly young low risk people) are complaining that they need help keeping up with incoming calls... Her phone was set up to forward all calls to her cell, but there is a few seconds delay before they ring through allowing those in the office time to answer first. This tech glitch is not worth the risk of her or I being exposed IMHO.
Still, it is time to come out and return to work and life!
Heck, even Disney China is open and the kiddies are playing.
Come out Come out wherever you are.
Because China took the virus seriously. If there had been lockdown protesters they'd be in a gulag right now. They didn’t have snowflakes demanding their tips get frosted. The government of China locked everyone down. Delivered food. Made mask wearing mandatory. The Chinese people complied. They smashed their curve and can now resume living. We have idiots in riot gear calling it a hoax still, while wearing masks... that they refuse to wear to the store... because liberty!! We’re way behind where China is in all this.
I know that my patience has worn very thin with stupid people like this. 80K deaths might not give them concern for their own safety, but they should damn well respect others who do believe in the science and are trying to protect themselves. I've seen many act out during this thing with frustration that precautions are being taken. More than a few were borderline belligerent about it. If their personal freedoms allow them to act like this and put others at risk, my personal freedoms should allow me to smack them upside the head... but that would be frowned upon for good reason, just like their actions should be.
If you were honest with OCD, you would tell him, as a Nation, trying to hide from a virus is useless and temporary at best.
What you don't get is that we are of the same mind on this. I just think you let science and facts lead the way not feelings, politics, and idiots who want a haircut bad enough to die for it. I honestly don't have all the answers on how we should reopen the country, but rushing headfirst into a buzzsaw certainly is not the right call.
We need transparency in leadership, we need actual leadership, we need the truth... then we make decisions based on the best, most complete data we have. None of that is happening right now.
So far, science and facts have brought us BS lists of millions who would die and 2 treatments that only work sometimes.
You gonna be in that basement a long long long time.
When the factless work to sabotage science at every level this tends to happen. And a basement is better than a coffin. But you do you there pal, go dance naked with your denier buddies and howl at the moon for all I care. Just one step closer to herd immunity for everyone of you who contract it...
Meanwhile, I'll continue to go about my business and take any precautions I can to keep me and mine as safe as possible.
I practice social distancing, wear a mask and wash my hands.
We went out for the day and it took 3 stops to finally pick a grocery store where people were wearing masks and practicing social distancing but we finally found one.
We went to a bakery known for their cookies. Everyone there wore masks and they had the line marked off at 6 foot intervals for us to stand. No one touched anything, ever. Not the customers, not the workers.
So, going out in the world is no longer the threat it was. Using your head, being aware and practicing safety works just fine.
I've been out 2 or more times a week since this began. I too have practiced distancing, wearing masks, and trying to lead a life during this... smh
Did you think I was hold up in my bunker? lol.
The idiocy I have observed in public has been shared in several posts. I don't know how you could have missed that. I even shared my experience at the ER during this... bet you haven't gone to a hospital ER, lol.
You obviously don't live in Tennessee. There are more people walking around without masks than with them. And the cases keep rising while the state is opening.
The CDC set realistic guidelines for opening states. But Trump buried and ignored them.
To return to your stat, I retract my "completely useless" statement. It IS valuable when you want to compare different populations. So, if you wanted to see if the USA was experiencing hospitalizations at a higher or lower rate than Italy, Brazil, or Sweden, then you can look at those per capita numbers and get a gauge of things Also, because they change with time as the cumulative totals go up, you can make comparisons on a timeline... ex: compare our cases and hospitalizations to other countries based on 50 days after first reported case, or 30 days after hitting 100 cases. It gives you a means of normalizing your views of comparative data.
The title is: Experts’ 7 best ideas on how to beat Covid-19 and save the economy
It doesn't copy and paste well because numerous captions from photos get incorporated into the test when I try and it makes it very confusing to read. I tried to delete them out but even having read the article I had trouble following what was needed and what should be deteted.
Because China took the virus seriously. If there had been lockdown protesters they'd be in a gulag right now. They didn’t have snowflakes demanding their tips get frosted. The government of China locked everyone down. Delivered food. Made mask wearing mandatory. The Chinese people complied. They smashed their curve and can now resume living. We have idiots in riot gear calling it a hoax still, while wearing masks... that they refuse to wear to the store... because liberty!! We’re way behind where China is in all this.
Yes, I think it's great that the country that tried for so long to cover the whole thing up.. and, while they were trying to cover it up, allowed it to spread all over the world.. finally used their total authoritarian rule to lock down it's subjects through threat of imprisonment.. this is absolutely a model we should emulate, I can't see what could possibly go wrong with that.
Maybe one day MY GRANDCHILD can be the brave kid who stares down a tank on Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House. I would be so proud.
And this is all predicated on the fact that you first have to believe that the numbers out of China are true.. which is a leap of faith I'm not prepared to make...
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Not one person I know, regardless of what a couple women had painted on their signs at protests, has been worried about getting a [censored] haircut. 36 million unemployed, over 100,000 small businesses closed, and the left keeps using this gahtdamn haircut thing like it proves some intellectual superiority... While the overwhelming number of cases and deaths continue to be in blue states... Democrat governors failed and they failed historically.. but let's keep pointing and mocking the people who want a haircut...
I won't argue the fist part of your last post, but the last part with your rant is basically BS.
First you said nobody has said they wanted a haircut or their hair done. There have been way more than one say it, I've seen several post it on social media and heard it in videos. Here's a clip of one of them at 33 seconds in:
Then you throw the unemployed in his face as if dems somehow caused that! Crap ass emergency management and preparedness lands squarely on Trump DC, and you know a pandemic is a federal level crisis and not something that should have ever been pushed over to individual States! And Dem cities, which don't really exist because there is more than one republican in every one of them, are also international travel and commerce hubs and or very large centers of population! While GOPers have these too, and they are also struggling, most of majority republican territory is rural.
As for the 100k small businesses, with 86,912 total US dead from COVID-19 as of today, and knowing that all sides agree that the shut down and distancing at worst seemingly slowed the spread and flattened the curves, and also agreeing that opening back up is going to add to the body count at an increased rate, how many bodies should we allow for each small business to get the economy going? Do you think that's a number Trump will be willing to take responsibility for? Are you going to take responsibility for those deaths? If not, then you are only parroting Trump talking points and ranting.
And I really don't think Dem Governors have failed at all! Especially after Trump abandoned them and turned on them just like he did the kurds in Syria. With all the hurdles, misinformation, and ridiculous antics due to Trump's inept leadership and dereliction of duty, they have all managed remarkably.
I won't argue the fist part of your last post, but the last part with your rant is basically BS.
First you said nobody has said they wanted a haircut or their hair done. There have been way more than one say it, I've seen several post it on social media and heard it in videos. Here's a clip of one of them at 33 seconds in:
Actually he said "HE didn't know anyone....WORRIED about getting a haircut."
First you said nobody has said they wanted a haircut or their hair done. There have been way more than one say it, I've seen several post it on social media and heard it in videos. Here's a clip of one of them at 33 seconds in:
"Getting a haircut" has become a metaphor for opening the economy.. it's not that hard to understand.
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Then you throw the unemployed in his face as if dems somehow caused that!
No, dems didn't cause it. Fear mongering and demanding we listen to scientists who have been wrong more frequently than they have been right caused it by bullying states into shutting down even when they didn't have to.
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Crap ass emergency management and preparedness lands squarely on Trump DC, and you know a pandemic is a federal level crisis and not something that should have ever been pushed over to individual States!
If somehow 80% of the deaths were in red states and 20% in blue states, I have a feeling your opinion on that would change.
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And Dem cities, which don't really exist because there is more than one republican in every one of them, are also international travel and commerce hubs and or very large centers of population!
Most of those cities have dem mayors, dem governors, dem legislatures.. and the dems could have shut those down.. remember, way back long ago when everybody but Trump apparently knew this was a crisis... when local dems on the ground in these places had full authority to shut down and control the spread and they all failed? I remember that. They are now hammering Trump in hindsite for their own failure and their chorus is singing their excuses and their praises for yelling at Trump.. when it was their own failure.
See, the difference between you and me is that you are an ideolog... you think that in hammering Trump you are hammering me.. I don't give a crap about Trump, Trump has failed on a number of different levels and I can willingly admit that.. not the least of his failures has been his buffooning tweeting and inability to invoke any sense of confidence that our government has this under control and his tweets which emboldened people to NOT listen to stay-at-home orders, which should have last just a few weeks... not months and months. You, on the other hand, can't bring yourself to acknowledge what epic failures so many of the democrats have been from congress on down to the state and local level... failures, big time, hypocritical, failures.
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As for the 100k small businesses, with 86,912 total US dead from COVID-19 as of today, and knowing that all sides agree that the shut down and distancing at worst seemingly slowed the spread and flattened the curves, and also agreeing that opening back up is going to add to the body count at an increased rate, how many bodies should we allow for each small business to get the economy going? Do you think that's a number Trump will be willing to take responsibility for? Are you going to take responsibility for those deaths? If not, then you are only parroting Trump talking points and ranting.
So if the curve is flattened then why should we not be opening back up? I made a big long rant on this board somewhere about moving goal posts.. I'll have to go find it and see if anybody responded.. Over 2 weeks ago, Time ran an article stating that most states had flattened the curve then added, "Next up is squashing it".. that wasn't part of the deal.
Go find me the article from March that says if we do this stay-at-home thing... we will not reopen until there isn't a chance that anybody else might get the virus.. go find it for me.
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And I really don't think Dem Governors have failed at all! Especially after Trump abandoned them and turned on them
Of course you don't because you are a democrat, non-thinking, apologist who would do some serious mental gymnastics to avoid putting any level of responsibility of democrats and will twist and contort to make everything Trumps fault because that is what suits your political agenda... you are similar in style to all of those democrats I see on Twitter who are outspokenly HOPING for outbreaks in red states that are starting to open up because in the end, it's not about the lives lost, it's about which lives are lost... all one has to do is watch the liberal media.. let me recap for you:
If there is a bit of a spike in a red state its the fault of a malevolent governor and the redneck hicks that elected him/her and their failure to follow simple rules. Basically they are getting what they deserve.
If there is a spike in a blue state, it is largely the fault of population density, and sad as it may be, there is nothing the state and local politicians could have done about it.. and isn't this really all Donald Trumps fault anyway.
And that is your objective media reporting.
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Maybe you need a haircut...
I may need a lot of things.. a haircut isn't one of them.. my hair isn't in my eyes blinding me to what is really going on.
Spot the Difference: Two governors reopened their states, but only one was accused of ‘human sacrifice’
The governors of Georgia and Colorado have at least one thing in common. They both took steps to reopen their states' economies in late April amid the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. But for some reason, the media's coverage of Gov. Brian Kemp (R., Ga.) has been slightly different from the media's coverage of Gov. Jared Polis (D., Colo.).
Kemp, for example, has been accused of experimenting with "human sacrifice." So reads the headline of an April 29 article published in the Atlantic, which accuses Kemp of turning Georgia residents into "unwilling canaries in an invisible coal mine, sent to find out just how many individuals need to lose their job or their life for a state to work through a plague."
In a brief aside, the article acknowledges that some other states, including Colorado, "have already put similar plans in motion." Polis, for some reason, is not identified as an accomplice in Kemp's murder scheme.
When Kemp announced his plan to gradually reopen some Georgia businesses, former National Journal editor Ron Fournier echoed the sentiment of many media pundits when he wrote on Twitter: "Mark this day. Because two and three weeks from now, the Georgia death toll is blood on his hands. And as Georgians move around the country, they’ll spread more death and economic destruction." Fournier hasn't tweeted about Colorado in years.
The media have only managed to confuse themselves in attempting to portray the reopening of state economies as a partisan issue. "Republicans are reopening. Why is Democratic Gov. Polis doing the same in Colorado?" reads the headline from one NBC News article published in early May.
Ok this is not directed at you 40. This is directed at EVERYBODY. Just to show y'all how stupid and selfish folks can be. My Nephew is fighting cancer at 4 years old. Ohio has not mandated masks for everybody., and I have heard so many people wine and complain that their poor ass has to wear a mask. Never mind the fact that they could kill this poor kid just because they are to lazy and stupid to wear a mask.
Y'all just keep wining about how tough it is top wear a mask, and social distance just because it makes you feel a tad bit uncomfortable. Just look in the mirror and realize YOU could be the reason that kids, parents, and grandparents die just because your ass is so lazy. I am so ashamed by so many of you.
This killer virus is an enemy. It has to be defeated. Experts in the fields of medicine and science have established guidelines.
When people violate those guidelines they put everyone on higher risk. Therein lies the problem. There is no unified message when the executive branch does not set the proper tone. State governors do what "they feel" is right instead of following scientific based guidelines.
Then trump applauds protesters who wish to break the rules. He seems to feel that wearing a mask is some kind of sign of leadership weakness. This empowers the drones.
And the cycle repeats.
This virus is not partisan. It will kill Republicans and Democrats with no discrimination.
Until there is a unified message based upon expert information and that message is clear and enforced by all people on all people.
Greta Thunberg added to CNN’s expert coronavirus panel, Twitter erupts
By Hannah Sparks
May 13, 2020 Greta Thunberg added to CNN’s expert coronavirus panel, Twitter erupts
An upcoming CNN town hall on the coronavirus pandemic will feature 17-year-old Greta Thunberg alongside a panel of medical experts.
The program, “Coronavirus Facts and Fears,” also includes CNN broadcaster Sanjay Gupta, 50, former Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, 71, and former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director Richard Besser, 60. CNN anchor Anderson Cooper, 52, will host alongside Gupta.
However, social media watchdogs are foaming at the mouth over the choice to place a teen climate activist on a panel with public health experts.
“What place does Greta Thunberg have in this town hall?” asks Twitter rabble-rouser Yashar Ali to his 618,000 followers. His rhetorical question was liked by more than 12,000 since this morning.
Her name is a top trending term on Twitter, with some 30,000 mentions on the platform in just a few hours.
In a follow-up tweet, Ali clarified his rhetorical tweet with an explanation: “I understand that but this is a panel of top health experts and administrators. A climate activist would be better suited on a different panel. She’s not a climate scientist. It’s a matter of placement.”
CNN’s social media was soon served with an onslaught of virtual eye-rolls.
“Greta Thunberg? Now, she’s a COVID expert? @CNN is a joke!” reads a top response to the network’s Wednesday announcement.
“Not picking on the kid,” said another. “Picking on a ‘news’ network for featuring a child to inform the public.”
“I remember when my thread about E. coli in Romaine lettuce went viral and trended on Twitter only to have CNN put Food Babe on the air to discuss the issue,” tweeted Dr. Eugene Gu, referring to another controversial health “expert” in the media. “Greta Thunberg on this panel is an improvement from that at least.”
Swedish climate and environmental activist Greta Thunberg is seen in video conversation with Swedish Professor and joint director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, who participates from Germany, during a live broacast from the Nobel Prize Museum in Stockholm, Sweden, on April 22, 2020. - A video conversation about "courage, solidarity and opportunities in times of crisis" among Swedish climate and environmental activist Greta Thunberg and Swedish Professor and joint director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research Johan Rockstrom, participating from Germany, was broadcasted live to a global audience from Nobel Prize Museum in Stockholm, Sweden, on April 22, 2020. (Photo by Jessica GOW / TT News Agency / AFP) / Sweden OUT (Photo by JESSICA GOW/TT News Agency/AFP via Getty Images) Swedish climate and environmental activist Greta Thunberg.TT News Agency/AFP via Getty Ima
Some have come to Thunberg’s defense, including more than a few public figures, arguing that the voice of youth, who will come to inherit an Earth doomed by future pandemics and climate disaster, may actually have something to add to the conversation.
“Unqualified men appear on cable all day every day, bloviating endlessly, but Greta Thunberg is a bridge too far? Ok,” tweeted writer Roxane Gay.
“She’s has extraordinary knowledge and she is the next generation that is left to clean this mess we’ve made. They wouldn’t have her there if she wasn’t a powerful voice,” wrote Oscar-winning actor Patricia Arquette.
“It’s a town hall, not a meeting of scientists,” another follower noted. “Some of their previous guests have been chef Jose Andres, director Spike Lee, author Laurie Garrett, etc etc.”
Thunberg has, perhaps wisely, been mum throughout this erupting social-media showdown. But she hasn’t spent the past three months lounging in lockdown. On April 30, UNICEF said the young activist had launched a children-first campaign to help protect young lives against COVID-19, pledging a grant of €92,000 ($100,000), awarded to her by Danish NGO Human Act, toward the effort.
“Like the climate crisis, the coronavirus pandemic is a child-rights crisis,” said Thunberg. “It will affect all children, now and in the long-term, but vulnerable groups will be impacted the most. I’m asking everyone to step up and join me in support of UNICEF’s vital work to save children’s lives, to protect health and continue education.”
It was nice to see young people at the restaurants and bars again, feasting on beers and nachos.
Had the feeling of life again, America again.
We are not meant to live like zoo animals, locked in our cages.
Freedom is beginning to ring again.
Feasting [sic] on beer and nachos is equated to freedom. We are letting the animals out of their so-called cages and we are putting health care workers and folks who work in grocery stores and other "essential" businesses at risk so we can party!
I don't know what "fringe" means in this case, but I do know that my wife's health being in jeopardy because fools want to drink beer and eat nachos in a public setting is not my definition of "freedom." In fact, it is the very definition of selfishness.
I am so glad I played sports and coached sports. It taught me self-discipline and how to be part of a "team," instead of some whiny, selfish brat who only cares about their own wants and desires.
Your definition of freedom is far different than mine, son.
You have zero clue of the safety precautions those restaurants, bars and patrons are forced to take to enjoy themselves.
No indoor anything. Everything outside with tables placed 7 feet or better apart and people maintaining 6 feet between each other.
Workers must wear masks and gloves. Customers must have reservations so the restaurant can control numbers. Everyone must wear a mask until seated. Tables and chairs are sanitized when the customers leave.
And a whole lot more.
But it was indeed nice to see America coming back to life again.
I do have a "clue." I try and educate myself rather than stomp my feet and shout from the rooftops about one party's preferences or the other. It's called being open-minded.
At the end of the day, I am not a slave to any political ideology. I am a proponent of treating others fairly. My own wants and desires never outweigh what is best for all.
You and yours go on partying. Put other folks like my wife at risk. And continue to tell me how you are an American. Pffftttt......I don't want to talk to you again. Enjoy your freedoms.
I couldn't join them as I am old and that makes me high risk.
But I did enjoy seeing all those young people laughing, eating, talking and enjoying life again.
People were also shopping as stores are opened.
People getting their cars washed.
No more zoo life for these free Americans.
. But Sofia Vergara said to stay at home.
What an intelligent take. Let me try and be as "smart" and "fair" as you.
Bolsonaro, Brazil's President, said his people wouldn't catch the virus. Reportedly, over 500,000 thousand Brazilians had died before the end of April and his response was "So what? I'm sorry. What do you want me to do?"
I couldn't join them as I am old and that makes me high risk.
But I did enjoy seeing all those young people laughing, eating, talking and enjoying life again.
People were also shopping as stores are opened.
People getting their cars washed.
No more zoo life for these free Americans.
. But Sofia Vergara said to stay at home.
What an intelligent take. Let me try and be as "smart" and "fair" as you.
Bolsonaro, Brazil's President, said his people wouldn't catch the virus. Reportedly, over 500,000 thousand Brazilians had died before the end of April and his response was "So what? I'm sorry. What do you want me to do?"
As of May 4 , the total is 7,288 Brazailians deaths. 500,000????
So I didn't reply to your swipe at me in the baseball thread but now it seems you're chasing around anyone who was able to keep their job...
Look, just because we want safe lifting of measures doesn't mean we want Americans to be out of work. Your false equivalence and assumptions are quite low.
If you are angry about not having a job, lack of business, etc., don't blame us. If you look at the UK, they're covering 80% of the salaries of all who have been furloughed. How can we, as the self-proclaimed leading nation of the world, not provide for our citizens in times of need?
People have the right to enjoy freedom and people have the right to stay safe from people who won't listen to doctors.
Now go take your personal attacks somewhere else. Quite sure what you just did is against board policy, too.
Daddy, look at those fearful men all locked up in their houses, peaking through the blinds. What is up with that?
It's ok son, they are Betas.
"Daddy, why did those Christians who believe in godly acts get swindled by promises of tax breaks? Couldn't they have helped provide for those who lost their jobs during the pandemic?"
"It's okay, son. They care more about money and earthly things than treating others different from them with respect. They skipped the part of the Gospel where Jesus said give all your possessions away and follow me."
Newsflash! Country needs to reopen so people can make a living. People can have a choice to go back to work or not. Just like they had prior to COVID-19. Lots of people hope the country does not re-open since they would make more money by not working.
COVID-19 numbers are falling. Time to get back to work lazybones.
Covid 19 cases are on the rise in several states including Ohio.
Nobody said the economy shouldn't open up. There were guidelines set on exactly how that would work. They were ignored because people couldn't wait just a little while longer.
Of course the country needed to reopen. Just not in the dumbest way possible.
Next you'll be advocating grandma should risk dying to vote.
Covid 19 cases are on the rise in several states including Ohio.
Nobody said the economy shouldn't open up. There were guidelines set on exactly how that would work. They were ignored because people couldn't wait just a little while longer.
Of course the country needed to reopen. Just not in the dumbest way possible.
Next you'll be advocating grandma should risk dying to vote.
Grandma should risk dying in order to vote. We all should. If you do not understand that then you are living in the wrong country.
Over 87,000 dead so far. Well over 100,000 by some time in June. How many will have died from it by November? More Americans dead than in the Vietnam war. Yeah, slim to none, right....
But don't let grandma vote by mail. The only good grandma is a dead grandma?
If 80% of the population wore a mask, transmission rates would decrease to 1\12th of the rate for no masks worn.
This would make transmission so low that the virus would essentially burn out in 1-2 months. But people refuse to do that. I went to the grocery store a couple days ago and was in the clear minority. Only about 1 in 3 people wore a mask.
Grandma should risk dying in order to vote. We all should. If you do not understand that then you are living in the wrong country.
You know maybe back in the day when women didn't have the vote or African Americans - maybe social unrest and protests and action was required to earn the right to vote and the risks associated with those actions were worth enduring.
However, this is 2020 and there are ways and means and solutions to voting WITHOUT RISKING LIVES easily available .... I think the idea of forcing people unnecessarily to risk their lives or the lives of those around them needlessly is nothing short of twisted and evil.
If 80% of the population wore a mask, transmission rates would decrease to 1\12th of the rate for no masks worn.
This would make transmission so low that the virus would essentially burn out in 1-2 months. But people refuse to do that. I went to the grocery store a couple days ago and was in the clear minority. Only about 1 in 3 people wore a mask.
So if grandma wears a mask she can get to the polls like everyone else.
If 80% of the population wore a mask, transmission rates would decrease to 1\12th of the rate for no masks worn.
This would make transmission so low that the virus would essentially burn out in 1-2 months. But people refuse to do that. I went to the grocery store a couple days ago and was in the clear minority. Only about 1 in 3 people wore a mask.
So if grandma wears a mask she can get to the polls like everyone else.
Clearly you have bought into the Alt Right wing lies and propaganda about voter fraud and how the Left is out to steal elections.
You've also clearly not seen that the recent high profile voter fraud was committed by a republican candidate.
Clearly not paying attention to Trump's own investigation into voter fraud .... that found .... nada.
But by golly, you keep spewing that hate and keep proposing people risk their lives when there is no justifiable reason to. Just like a faithful Trump supporter should. 'Grats.
That shows your complete lack of understanding on how masks work with this coronavirus.
If I wear a mask, it decreases my risk of getting infected by a small amount, but if I have coronavirus and wear a mask it greatly decreases my risk of infecting you.
That shows your complete lack of understanding on how masks work with this coronavirus.
If I wear a mask, it decreases my risk of getting infected by a small amount, but if I have coronavirus and wear a mask it greatly decreases my risk of infecting you.
If 80% of the population wore a mask, transmission rates would decrease to 1\12th of the rate for no masks worn.
This would make transmission so low that the virus would essentially burn out in 1-2 months. But people refuse to do that. I went to the grocery store a couple days ago and was in the clear minority. Only about 1 in 3 people wore a mask.
So if grandma wears a mask she can get to the polls like everyone else.
Clearly you have bought into the Alt Right wing lies and propaganda about voter fraud and how the Left is out to steal elections.
You've also clearly not seen that the recent high profile voter fraud was committed by a republican candidate.
Clearly not paying attention to Trump's own investigation into voter fraud .... that found .... nada.
But by golly, you keep spewing that hate and keep proposing people risk their lives when there is no justifiable reason to. Just like a faithful Trump supporter should. 'Grats.
You made a terrible assumption about me. My point is voter fraud is committed by both parties. I do not want voter fraud . Period.
If 80% of the population wore a mask, transmission rates would decrease to 1\12th of the rate for no masks worn.
This would make transmission so low that the virus would essentially burn out in 1-2 months. But people refuse to do that. I went to the grocery store a couple days ago and was in the clear minority. Only about 1 in 3 people wore a mask.
So if grandma wears a mask she can get to the polls like everyone else.
Clearly you have bought into the Alt Right wing lies and propaganda about voter fraud and how the Left is out to steal elections.
You've also clearly not seen that the recent high profile voter fraud was committed by a republican candidate.
Clearly not paying attention to Trump's own investigation into voter fraud .... that found .... nada.
But by golly, you keep spewing that hate and keep proposing people risk their lives when there is no justifiable reason to. Just like a faithful Trump supporter should. 'Grats.
You made a terrible assumption about me. My point is voter fraud is committed by both parties. I do not want voter fraud . Period.
Clearly my assumption about you should be that you can't read.
I heard an example that might dumb it down for you.
If you are standing within a few feet of someone and neither of you is wearing pants, and he pees on your leg, you get drenched in urine. If you are wearing pants but he isn't, you still get wet but not as much.
But if you are both wearing pants, you don't get any urine on you at all.
Fyi, it's a metaphor, pants represent masks and urine represents the virus
If 80% of the population wore a mask, transmission rates would decrease to 1\12th of the rate for no masks worn.
This would make transmission so low that the virus would essentially burn out in 1-2 months. But people refuse to do that. I went to the grocery store a couple days ago and was in the clear minority. Only about 1 in 3 people wore a mask.
So if grandma wears a mask she can get to the polls like everyone else.
Clearly you have bought into the Alt Right wing lies and propaganda about voter fraud and how the Left is out to steal elections.
You've also clearly not seen that the recent high profile voter fraud was committed by a republican candidate.
Clearly not paying attention to Trump's own investigation into voter fraud .... that found .... nada.
But by golly, you keep spewing that hate and keep proposing people risk their lives when there is no justifiable reason to. Just like a faithful Trump supporter should. 'Grats.
You made a terrible assumption about me. My point is voter fraud is committed by both parties. I do not want voter fraud . Period.
Clearly my assumption about you should be that you can't read.
And my assumption for you is that you have a hard time understanding.Check out your first line from your post.
Frankly it doesn't matter whether you came up with the paranoia about election fraud all on your own - or because you watch and listen to the government sponsored faux news or other Alt Right propaganda arms .... you are on here promoting people risk their lives because you are paranoid about something that has been demonstrable proven not to exist. AND the people that came up with the conclusion that there is no widespread voter fraud are the Trump cronies who desperately wanted to come up with something to support their movement that is trying to make it harder for folks in the USA to vote.
No. He's older than me, thus, retired. Thus, he's getting his pension, rightfully. His wife is still working in a lucrative job, and rightfully so, as she is an essential employee with a skill few have.
Here's the deal: They are still making money. SAme as they were before covid.
I find it interesting - wear masks, protect others. Then, masks don't protect. But they do.
If they do, why are businesses closed?
Flattening the curve was not about saving lives, per se, it was about making sure hospitals were not over run with patients.
Unless and until there is a vaccine, all we've done is elongated the amount of time this will last because, without a vaccine, the herd immunity is our best friend....at least from what I've read.
There are SOME people that don't qualify for unemployment. Plus, it only pays about 50% of what you were making Like me. Hey, I don't pay unemployment tax either. I get it.
Get PPP they said. I don't qualify for that, as I don't have a payroll. I work by myself, and I'd say 70-80% of the time, when I'm working, no one else is present.
My work WAS down - it's picked back up due to several large, large jobs, thankfully, but residential is still way down - because of fear.
I find it interesting that, at least it APPEARS, the people on here saying keep it shut down are also the ones that are retired or work for some gov't. agency in some manner.
My son is fortunate, as he's busy, an essential employee, etc.
I have 2 cousins, RN's, that have had their hours cut, a lot, due to no people in the hospital they work for. I know (not related to) many others in the health care field in similar positions.
Back to me, the state got some program going finally where people like me, self employed, COULD qualify for some type of unemployment. The catch? Like unemployment, it pays about half of your previous income (many 'if's' there), and like unemployment, any income you make during any given week is deducted from any benefit you may get. And I agree with that - that's fair.
My problem is, had I even attempted to enroll, I would be forced to not receive anything because I was and am still getting 2-4 jobs a week, which would offset any benefit I may have gotten.
Or, I could've taken the chance of lying. Nope, no income, no jobs, no opportunity. And that's a lie. Someone calls me, that is a job opportunity. If I turn it down, I'm a cheater.
I just find it interesting that it APPEARS that, on here anyway, the retired people, pensioners, and gov't. employees are the ones hammering the 'keep it shut down' thing. Or, maybe they are just the ones that post the most?
And, since I'm going on and on simply trying to explain myself and my thoughts, why is it ok for wal mart to be open, but polls can't be?
I can walk into just about any retail store - a few may require me to wear a mask - and everything is fine - but polls can't be open? Should we set the machines up at the wal mart stores?
Hey, I too will be retired some day, God willing I live that long. And I sure won't begrudge someone younger trying to earn a living. If some new virus comes, I'll just stay home when I'm retired, because I'll still be getting MY money. Those younger ones might not be.
Again, the 'flatten the curve' was not necessarily about saving lives, it was about making sure hospitals aren't/weren't over run. And I guess in a way that may save lives short term. But people will continue to get this virus, of which some, what, 97, 98% survive? But, as I said, even rn's are getting their hours cut. Around here, anyway.
Note: this was a reply to pit AND rocket.
Now, go ahead pit, tear it apart, have your mandated last word.
I find it interesting - wear masks, protect others. Then, masks don't protect. But they do.
If they do, why are businesses closed?
They most likely do if everyone wears them. When you have the "leader of the free world" along with "mother's boy"not wearing them, it sends a subconscious message to the nation. It'd help if everyone wore masks.
So because of the "muh freedomz...you experts are wrong and can't tell me wut to dooozzzz" crowd, you have all this messed up discussion.
Listen to the experts.
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the herd immunity is our best friend....at least from what I've read.
No doctor at a national level has encouraged this. Dr. Fauchi, Dr. Acton, and many others have advised against this.
Listen to the experts.
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Get PPP they said. I don't qualify for that, as I don't have a payroll. I work by myself, and I'd say 70-80% of the time, when I'm working, no one else is present.
I wish you did qualify. It's a shame that the UK has been able to take care of their own, yet we as the "nation of the people and free world" can't provide for its people in the biggest time of need.
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are the ones hammering the 'keep it shut down' thing.
That crowd listens to highly vetted experts which don't push tin foil hat conspiracy theories.
Listen to the experts.
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Should we set the machines up at the wal mart stores?
That's actually not too bad of an idea.
Big box stores such as grocery chains, wal-marts, etc have a lot more space for people to distance if need be. They already have one way aisles, tape on the ground designating 6ft, etc.
The issue with polls is that not all places are designed the same.
You would know this if you listened to and sought out the experts.
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And I sure won't begrudge someone younger trying to earn a living.
So will you stop trying to take shots at those who currently have jobs, and others who want to protect the rights of others from getting sick?
Can you agree to that?
Also, seek out and listen to well vetted experts that don't push conspiracy theories.
You pretend like you know the dynamics of my family. I am retired, but I work two different jobs. It's not my fault that I don't have to work for a company. I run a tutoring business that does pretty well. I also produce a ton of goods that I sell on an online site through Etsy and Amazon. I also sell some of the goods in auction sites. In fact, I just came in from working a full day in the shop. I'm not as "retired" as you claim.
Now, I have a question for you. Why are you out of work? That may sound mean, but I am very curious. Here in SC, the folks who work in home improvement businesses are up and running. Decks, fences, plumbers, painters, mechanics, lawn care, HVAC guys and gals, etc, etc.
I thought you were in some sort of Home Improvement business? What's stopping you from working when other folks are working? And again, I am not attacking you. I just don't get why you can't find work??? The only reason I can think of is that I misunderstood you about being self-employed and working in the home improvement field.
One last thing.......instead of complaining about it......you should be thankful that Health Care workers like my wife are still employed. Never know when you or a loved one will need one. Chin up, bucky.
This isn't a trump thing, although you try to make it be a trump thing.
What's with the "muh freedomz, you experts are wrong and can't tell me what to dooozzz" comment? Seriously. What's up with that? Makes you look elitist, maybe xenophobic really.
Hey, I just posted Fauci (you spelled his name incorrectly by the way. For someone so uber educated, one would think getting a name right would be par for the course.....not?)
I should end here, but I can't. There aren't 'well vetted " experts. There are only political views.
There aren't well vetted covid death numbers. In fact, Colorado has just lessened the death to covid numbers.
The FACT remains that flattening the curve was not to save lives, but to prevent hospital over flow. Flattening the curve only means the curve will last longer. We've been told herd immunity is the answer, shy of a vaccine. You don't get herd immunity by sitting in your house. And further, we don't even have a vaccine for the flu!!!! We have a guess at a vaccine each year, but each year we hear "well, we thought it would be this, but it turns out it was that."
This is a political thing. It's a REAL thing, no doubt, but having failure after failure after failure after failure to get trump, it's come to this. Watch the msm........oh, never mind. You do.
Notice, in my post you replied to, I didn't begrudge you your pension. I certainly don't begrudge your wife working full time, even at her age. You've got several homes to fund. I only know about your family from what you've posted about them.
Perhaps you missed the part where I said my work WAS down. And my residential is still down. Perhaps I didn't mention that commercial work is up. Commercial work is a bonus for me. Residential is my bread and butter though.
What's stopping me from working? Nothing. Nothing but a fear by home owners, and nothing but a fear of spending money by people that are out of work.
Now, with your pension, and your wife's income, do you really NEED your side income? Or do you just like the extra money? No wrong answer there.
I'm getting enough res. work that even if I qualified for unemployment, I wouldn't get any without cheating the system. And I don't and won't do that.
My commercial jobs? Going great. Literally. Problem is, I need the residential work also. And with people out of work.....?
Just finished a commercial job today. $3600. Only half done though - however, same building, different companies.
My beef is not with those that are retired, or get a pension, or work for the gov't. and get their check regardless. Please understand that. My beef is with the shut down of people like me - and I'm not shutdown. I'm just slow on the res. side - due to the fear.
Again, I wasn't getting on your case. I can see where it may have come across that way. But, I promise that was not my intent. Are you willing to tell me what you do exactly? The reason I ask is because the HI jobs around here are not being hit too hard. My soon-to-be son-in-law and daughters plumbing business is doing well. They had a down week this past week, but that is probably due to the increase in HVAC calls as the weather is warming up.
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Now, with your pension, and your wife's income, do you really NEED your side income? Or do you just like the extra money? No wrong answer there.
I don't know if I really, really need it. But, as you know.......we support people and give a lot to charity. We also like nice things. Right now, we are wanting to put in new fencing [it's a big yard,] a large storage shed, and maybe add to our decking.
We made money by having the houses and selling them. I want to keep buying them, fix them up, and sell them. We just made a $32,000 profit on a house we sold that we kept for 4 years. I know that ain't great, but stuff like that helps. My wife is conservative. I want to do more of that. I like making money by working hard and doing things honestly. Not sure if that answers your question or not.
Btw---------I respect that you won't cheat the system. Too many do. I admire that you don't.
The commercial thing sounds good.
Best of luck. Don't give up, man! Adversity makes us stronger. Keep fighting the good fight. We fight all the time, but I wish you and your family well, because in the end, we are both family men.
That shows your complete lack of understanding on how masks work with this coronavirus.
If I wear a mask, it decreases my risk of getting infected by a small amount, but if I have coronavirus and wear a mask it greatly decreases my risk of infecting you.
Thank you, for framing this issue as you did.
Here's a great analogy that came to me a day or two ago. Please don't blow this off, because it comes from 'Clem on the left.'
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For the sake of argument, let's replace the word 'masks' for 'pants.'
If everyone walks around without pants, the next guy I meet might pee on me. If I don't wear pants, and he doesn't wear pants, that guy immediately contaminates we with his bodily fluids. I'm now soaking wet because of him. But sometime soon, I'm gonna have to pee, too.
If I walk around wearing pants, but that next guy I meet is still naked, he might still pee on me. If he does, that pee takes longer to get onto my leg. Since I'm wearing pants, most of what he spews upon me stays upon me.
If he is wearing pants and pees freely, his pants totally keep me dry.
I choose to see myself as him. I choose to understand that my piss might actually kill some Dawg's family member.
I choose to not piss on My Fellow Dawg, and kill his fam's Grammy.
That's why I'll still stay at home. That's why I'll wear a mask every time I leave my house/car.
I don't do this because I'm some limp-wristed Leftie wimp. I do it because I care about the fams of all the Dawgs that come to this site.
The day that being a Good Neighbor becomes victim to partisan politics is the day that This Great Nation becomes less than what it was always meant to be.
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I stay at home and wear my mask for YOU... because this thing transmits from me to you without me showing any signs of being sick.
I'd truly appreciate it if you'd do the same for me... because You are Me.
I am still shocked, that I still get shocked buy folks just not giving a crap about other folks in this world. I really don't understand how they can live with themselves.
arch, first let me say that I'm not going to try and "tear you apart". That's not my intent. But let me first say, that the CDC aren't Democrats. The WHO aren't Democrats. It isn't political unless you consider the message we were sent.
The guidelines set by the CDC were given in a national coronavirus briefing. That very night Trump undermined those guidelines by tweeting out in support of protestors in states that did not meet those guidelines. Yet you cast stones as it being political? Yes, in that respect it is. Trump decided to undermine his very own White House experts.
Secondly, you use the percentages to survive the virus based on "current deaths" as though that will be the end result. More people are dying every day so that percentage is only accurate as of this moment. How high would the percentage have to be for it to matter more to you?
Thirdly, I was raised to respect my elders. To look out for those who are sick, weak and unable to protect themselves. I have a grandson who was born very premature who has had lung issues since birth. He is on my priority list.
Fourthly, nobody just wanted to "keep the country closed". They only wanted the CDC guidelines to be followed. Fourteen consecutive days with decreasing cases. Most Americans trust experts in the field over politicians. Thus, not political until somebody else decided to make it political.
Now I have been reading what is going on in Ohio. They are taking this much more seriously than where I live. There are no "one way aisles" in our grocery stores. Thus no actual social distancing. Sure they have X's posted for waiting in line, but that after you just passed customer after customer has passed each other in aisle after aisle during their entire shopping trip. And masks? Some, but my guess would be less than half are wearing them here.
So that death toll will be rising and the percentage you used will be increasing. It would have anyway. The question then becomes, how many more people will die, how many more hospitals will be overrun because we didn't listen to actual health experts over politicians? Oh yes, it was made political. But it didn't have to be.
Obama administration asked for funding to tackle future pandemics but Republicans refused
Barack Obama’s efforts to replenish America’s stockpile of protective equipment for healthcare workers were repeatedly blocked by Republican lawmakers, an investigation has found.
The investigation by ProPublica found requests for funding to purchase protective equipment and train medical staff to prepare for future outbreaks were denied by a Republican-controlled House of Representatives that was filled with Tea Party-affiliated politicians.
Citing budget documents, as was as administration and congressional officials involved in negotiations, the report discovered that “had Congress kept funding at the 2010 level through the end of the Obama administration, the stockpile would have benefited from $321m (£259m) more than it ended up getting.”
Healthcare workers treating coronavirus patients across the country have complained about a lack of proper protective equipment. Many are having to reuse masks, which puts them at greater risk of contracting the virus.
As the coronavirus has continued to spread across the US in recent weeks, Donald Trump has repeatedly tried to shift blame for shortfalls in the government’s response to the outbreak onto his predecessor. Speaking last month, the US president said the Obama administration “made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing.” It was unclear exactly what decision the president was referring to.
Mr Trump has also blamed the Obama administration and state governors for shortages of protective equipment for healthcare workers across the country.
Earlier this month he said he had “inherited a broken system.” He added: “They also gave us empty cupboards. The cupboard was bare … So we took over a stockpile with a cupboard that was bare.”
In fact, Mr Obama’s efforts to build up the stockpile and prepare for the next outbreak were stymied by a Republican-controlled House of Representatives that was heavily influenced by Tea Party-affiliated politicians elected on promises of cutting back government spending.
Speaking in 2014, Mr Obama argued it was necessary to set up a “public health infrastructure that we need to deal with potential outbreaks in the future.”
He said: “There may and likely will come a time in which we have both an airborne disease that is deadly, and in order for us to deal with that effectively we have to put in place an infrastructure, not just here at home but globally, that allows us to see it quickly, isolate it quickly, respond to it quickly, so that if and when a new strain of flu like the Spanish flu crops up five years from now or a decade from now, we’ve made the investment and we’re further along to be able to catch it.”
At the time, the former president was asking for hundreds of millions of dollars in funding to prepare the US for future pandemics, but the request was rejected by Republican politicians.
The funding was a small part of an emergency request for $6.18bn (£3.98bn) to deal with the Ebola epidemic in 2014. As part of that package, hundreds of millions were to be set aside to help the country prepare for the next outbreak by procuring personal protective equipment for the country’s strategic national stockpile and training medical staff.
Most of that money was eventually secured, but funding for the future preparedness programmes was reduced. According to ProPublica, only $165m (£132m) went to the Centre for Disease Control and Prevention’s public health emergency preparedness programmes, which included the stockpile.
Cuomo Defends Nursing Home Policy: 'Older People, Vulnerable People Are Going to Die'
| May 17, 2020
Source: Darren McGee/Office of Governor Andrew M. Cuomo via AP
New York Democratic Governor Andrew Cuomo is under fire for his disastrous policy of sending elderly Wuhan coronavirus patients to nursing homes. President Trump even approved a temporary hospital at New York City's Javitz Center to house and treat coronavirus patients. The president also sent a floating hospital packed with emergency supplies to New York to make additional space. But with a fawning press behind him, Gov. Cuomo decided in all his wisdom that elderly people, sick and contagious with the Wuhan coronavirus, should be sent instead to nursing homes full of other elderly, vulnerable people. The policy went on for weeks. The press was probably too busy looking for bad news about hydroxychloroquine to question the governor's deadly directive.
"He worked it out so we always had available beds. Nobody was deprived of a bed or medical coverage in any way," Gov. Cuomo said on Sunday in defense of his nursing home policy. "And still, people died. Still, people died. Older people, vulnerable people are going to die from this virus. That is going to happen despite whatever you do. Because with all our progress as a society, we can't keep everyone alive."
A March 25th state mandate required nursing homes to admit suspected or diagnosed cases of the coronavirus. The ill-conceived mandate even prohibited nursing homes from requiring a coronavirus test for incoming hospital transfers. Cuomo only reversed the policy after mounting criticism earlier this month.
"The way this has been handled by the state is totally irresponsible, negligent and stupid," Elaine Mazzotta, who lost her mother from a suspected COVID-19 infection at a Long Island nursing home, told the Associated Press. "They knew better. They shouldn’t have sent these people into nursing homes."
NPR reported last month that more than half of the COVID-19 deaths in New York state happened in nursing homes. NPR also analyzed data from 11 New York nursing homes with the highest number of deaths and found the majority of those nursing homes had a disproportionate number of minorities.
While the governor was telling young, healthy people to save lives by staying home, his administration was sending coronavirus patients to nursing homes. In April, Cuomo responded to reopen protesters by saying it was "no time to act stupid." He should have followed his own advice.
Florida COVID-19 data chief says she was removed from post after refusing to censor data
The Week Catherine Garcia ,The Week•May 19, 2020
Rebekah Jones, the architect and onetime manager of Florida's COVID-19 dashboard, said on Monday she was removed from her post after she would not censor data.
In an email to CBS12 News, Jones said she refused to "manually change data to drum up support" for Florida's plan to reopen amid the coronavirus pandemic. The dashboard shares data on coronavirus cases, testing, and deaths by county and ZIP code, and is used by the public and academic and private researchers working on coronavirus models. Jones led a team of Florida Department of Health data scientists and public health officials to create the dashboard, which was praised last month by Dr. Deborah Birx of the White House coronavirus task force.
Earlier Monday, Florida Today reported that on May 5, Jones sent an email to researchers letting them know that she had been removed from her position, and for "reasons beyond my division's control," they would no longer be publishing or fixing data. Jones wrote that she did not know "what data they are now restricting," and "as a word of caution, I would not expect the new team to continue the same level of accessibility and transparency that I made central to the process during the first two months."
Over the last few weeks, the dashboard has gone offline, data has disappeared without explanation, and it's been difficult to gain access to underlying data sheets, Florida Today reports. The Florida Department of Health did not respond to requests for comment on the data and Jones' removal from her position.
He thought the coronavirus was 'a fake crisis.' Then he contracted it and changed his mind. Brian Hitchens said he thought that the coronavirus "is a fake crisis" that was "blown out of proportion" and "wasn't that serious."
Coronavirus skeptic has change of heart after testing positive: Crisis 'wasn't some made-up thing' MAY 19, 202001:43 May 18, 2020, 12:32 PM EDT By Janelle Griffith A Florida man who thought the coronavirus was "a fake crisis" has changed his mind after he and his wife contracted COVID-19.
Brian Hitchens, a rideshare driver who lives in Jupiter, downplayed the seriousness of the coronavirus in Facebook posts in March and April.
Brian HitchensBrian Hitchens.WPTV "I'm honoring what our government says to do during this epidemic but I do not fear this virus because I know that my God is bigger than this Virus will ever be," he wrote in a post on April 2. "Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords."
In mid-April, Hitchens, 46, began documenting his and his wife's health on Facebook.
"Been home sick for over a week. Both my wife and I home sick," he wrote in a post on April 18. "I've got no energy and all I want to do is sleep."
A day later, Hitchens and his wife, Erin, were admitted to Palm Beach Gardens Medical Center, Hitchens said in a Facebook post.
Hitchens could not immediately be reached for comment Monday. The voicemail box for a number listed for him is full.
There have been at least 46,442 cases of the coronavirus in Florida, with 1,997 deaths, reported as of Monday morning, according to state health data.
In a lengthy post on May 12, Hitchens said that he was once among those who thought the coronavirus "is a fake crisis" that was "blown out of proportion" and "wasn't that serious."
That changed when he started to feel sick in April and stopped working, he wrote.
Hitchens said he "had just enough energy" to drive himself and his wife to Palm Beach Gardens Medical Center on April 19, where they both tested positive for the virus.
"They admitted us right away and we both went to ICU," he wrote. "I started feeling better within a few days but my wife got worse to the point where they sedated her and put her on the ventilator."
Hitchens said he never experienced terrible aches and pains but felt weak and exhausted. He said he felt better on May 12, at which point he had been in the hospital for three weeks, and that he still had COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus. He also said he had pneumonia in his lungs.
"As of today my wife is still sedated and on the ventilator with no signs of improving," Hitchens wrote. "There were a couple times were they tried to start weaning her off the ventilator but as soon as they've done that her oxygen level dropped and they had to put her back on the ventilator full time."
He said his wife of eight years has been sick "quite a few times" in the past and she always fought through. This time, he said, "I have come to accept that my wife may pass away."
Hitchens, who has seen his wife infrequently since they were hospitalized, said he was holding out hope she would recover.
"This thing is nothing to be messed with please listen to the authorities and heed the advice of the experts," he wrote. "We don't have to fear this and by heeding the advice doesn't mean that you fear it that means you're showing wisdom during this epidemic time."
The May 12 post, in which he implored people to "use wisdom," has been shared more than 500 times.
"Looking back I should have wore a mask in the beginning but I didn't and perhaps I'm paying the price for it now," he wrote. If he passed the virus on to his wife, he said, he knows that she and God forgive him.
"So just think about what I said and if you have to go out please use wisdom and don't be foolish like I was ... so the same thing won't happen to you like it happened to me and my wife," he wrote.
Hitchens had one thing to say in a Facebook post Monday to people who have sent him "nasty messages" saying he deserved to die: "'I AM NEGATIVE"! "PRAISE THE LORD!'"
Doctors raise alarm about health effects of continued coronavirus shutdown: 'Mass casualty incident'
More than 600 doctors signed a letter Tuesday to end the "national shutdown" aimed at slowing the spread of the coronavirus, calling the widespread state orders keeping businesses closed and kids home from school a "mass casualty incident" with "exponentially growing health consequences."
"We are alarmed at what appears to be the lack of consideration for the future health of our patients," the doctors say in their letter. "The downstream health effects ... are being massively under-estimated and under-reported. This is an order of magnitude error."
Doctors raise alarm about health effects of continued coronavirus shutdown: 'Mass casualty incident'
More than 600 doctors signed a letter Tuesday to end the "national shutdown" aimed at slowing the spread of the coronavirus, calling the widespread state orders keeping businesses closed and kids home from school a "mass casualty incident" with "exponentially growing health consequences."
"We are alarmed at what appears to be the lack of consideration for the future health of our patients," the doctors say in their letter. "The downstream health effects ... are being massively under-estimated and under-reported. This is an order of magnitude error."
Doctors raise alarm about health effects of continued coronavirus shutdown: 'Mass casualty incident'
More than 600 doctors signed a letter Tuesday to end the "national shutdown" aimed at slowing the spread of the coronavirus, calling the widespread state orders keeping businesses closed and kids home from school a "mass casualty incident" with "exponentially growing health consequences."
"We are alarmed at what appears to be the lack of consideration for the future health of our patients," the doctors say in their letter. "The downstream health effects ... are being massively under-estimated and under-reported. This is an order of magnitude error."
Sounds like another "Resist"-er who couldn't manage to keep her politics and science separate.
Really? What could possibly have drawn you to that conclusion? Because I didn't see anything in the article that would suggest anything of the sort.
“She’s not a data scientist. She is somebody that has a degree in journalism communication and geography,” “She is not involved in collating any data, she does not have the expertise to do that.”
“She is also under active criminal charges in the state of Florida for cyberstalking and cyber sexual harassment,”
“I asked the Department of Health to explain to me how someone would be allowed to be charged with that and continue on.”
Sounds like another "Resist"-er who couldn't manage to keep her politics and science separate.
Really? What could possibly have drawn you to that conclusion? Because I didn't see anything in the article that would suggest anything of the sort.
“She’s not a data scientist. She is somebody that has a degree in journalism communication and geography,” “She is not involved in collating any data, she does not have the expertise to do that.”
“She is also under active criminal charges in the state of Florida for cyberstalking and cyber sexual harassment,”
“I asked the Department of Health to explain to me how someone would be allowed to be charged with that and continue on.”
None of this has anything to do with what conclusions you drew/claimed from the story we discussed. None of it.
You talked a bunch of shiite, got called out, and then simply found some ancillary article to post as a lamezz distraction from the fact that you have no legitimate response to the call-out in question.
"Squirrel!" doesn't work on me.
Thanks for playing; try again. d00d... how long we been knowing each other?
Please don't waste time like this. You're no younger than I. Can you really afford this?
Some people can smell a rat long before they see it.
I am one of those people and it turns out I was right.
She is a "Resist"-er and lost a good job being political when she should have asked for help from someone who knew how to keep their politics and science separate.
Sounds like another "Resist"-er who couldn't manage to keep her politics and science separate.
Florida has done quite well through all of this.
^ Sounds like a Trump cheerleader who couldn't manage to keep his conspiracy theories straight.
No, its the guy who has been right about things over the last 4 years while you were wrong.
NOBODY on this board is more wrong than you bro! NOBODY!
You and Arch on this OCD is wrong crap crack me up. It's like watching children proudly celebrate saying their ABCs right when they messed up so much you just couldn't bring yourself to tell them.
Being beat by cheaters, people who didn't follow the rules, people who lie constantly, and the unscrupulous fools who support that is not really being beat by anyone. Here's a buck for the both of you:
Doctors raise alarm about health effects of continued coronavirus shutdown: 'Mass casualty incident'
More than 600 doctors signed a letter Tuesday to end the "national shutdown" aimed at slowing the spread of the coronavirus, calling the widespread state orders keeping businesses closed and kids home from school a "mass casualty incident" with "exponentially growing health consequences."
"We are alarmed at what appears to be the lack of consideration for the future health of our patients," the doctors say in their letter. "The downstream health effects ... are being massively under-estimated and under-reported. This is an order of magnitude error."
From the looks, actions, and language of the 'Open it Up' protesters I've seen, mental health problems were a pre existing issue.
This seems to suggest that the death tool in most countries (including the US, but really every country) is higher than the official estimates. That is -- more coronavirus deaths are being missed, than other deaths are being mis-labeled as coronavirus deaths.
They list 52,300 excess deaths (compared to the average in previous years) as of April 18. The official tally on April 18 was 34,178. Of course, there are also reporting delays (of say 3-5 days), which means it might be better to compare with the official death tool as of, say April 23, which was 44,038.
Doctors raise alarm about health effects of continued coronavirus shutdown: 'Mass casualty incident'
More than 600 doctors signed a letter Tuesday to end the "national shutdown" aimed at slowing the spread of the coronavirus, calling the widespread state orders keeping businesses closed and kids home from school a "mass casualty incident" with "exponentially growing health consequences."
"We are alarmed at what appears to be the lack of consideration for the future health of our patients," the doctors say in their letter. "The downstream health effects ... are being massively under-estimated and under-reported. This is an order of magnitude error."
GOP fronts ‘pro-Trump’ doctors to prescribe rapid reopening By MICHAEL BIESECKER and JASON DEAREN yesterday
WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican political operatives are recruiting “extremely pro-Trump” doctors to go on television to prescribe reviving the U.S. economy as quickly as possible, without waiting to meet safety benchmarks proposed by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to slow the spread of the new coronavirus.
The plan was discussed in a May 11 conference call with a senior staffer for the Trump reelection campaign organized by CNP Action, an affiliate of the GOP-aligned Council for National Policy. A leaked recording of the hourlong call was provided to The Associated Press by the Center for Media and Democracy, a progressive watchdog group.
CNP Action is part of the Save Our Country Coalition, an alliance of conservative think tanks and political committees formed in late April to end state lockdowns implemented in response to the pandemic. Other members of the coalition include the FreedomWorks Foundation, the American Legislative Exchange Council and Tea Party Patriots.
A resurgent economy is seen as critical to boosting President Donald Trump’s reelection hopes and has become a growing focus of the White House coronavirus task force led by Vice President Mike Pence.
Tim Murtaugh, the Trump campaign communications director, confirmed to AP that an effort to recruit doctors to publicly support the president is underway, but declined to say when the initiative would be rolled out.
“Anybody who joins one of our coalitions is vetted,” Murtaugh said Monday. “And so quite obviously, all of our coalitions espouse policies and say things that are, of course, exactly simpatico with what the president believes. ... The president has been outspoken about the fact that he wants to get the country back open as soon as possible.”
During an emergency such as the current pandemic, it’s important that the government provide consistent science-based information to the public, said Dr. Wafaa El-Sadr, an epidemiology professor at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert and a member of the White House’s coronavirus task force, has been among the most visible government experts warning that lifting lockdowns too quickly could lead to a spike in deaths.
El-Sadr said having doctors relay contradictory information on behalf of the president is “quite alarming.”
“I find it totally irresponsible to have physicians who are touting some information that’s not anchored in evidence and not anchored in science,” El-Sadr said. “What often creates confusion is the many voices that are out there, and many of those voices do have a political interest, which is the hugely dangerous situation we are at now.”
Murtaugh said the campaign is not concerned about contradicting government experts.
“Our job at the campaign is to reflect President Trump’s point of view,” Murtaugh said. “We are his campaign. There is no difference between us and him.”
On the May 11 call, Nancy Schulze, a GOP activist who is married to former Rep. Dick Schulze, R-Pa., said she had given the campaign a list of 27 doctors prepared to defend Trump’s reopening push.
“There is a coalition of doctors who are extremely pro-Trump that have been preparing and coming together for the war ahead in the campaign on health care,” Schulze said on the call. “And we have doctors that are … in the trenches, that are saying ‘It’s time to reopen.’”
The idea quickly gained support from Mercedes Schlapp, a Trump campaign senior adviser who previously served two years as the president’s director of strategic communications.
“Those are the types of guys that we should want to get out on TV and radio to help push out the message,” Schlapp said on the call.
“They’ve already been vetted. But they need to be put on the screens,” Schulze replied.
Schlapp’s husband agreed the president is getting criticized for not appearing to follow the advice of public health experts. Matt Schlapp is chairman of the American Conservative Union, which hosts the annual Conservative Political Action Conference attended by conservative luminaries.
“The president’s going to get tagged by the fake news media as being irresponsible and not listening to doctors,” Matt Schlapp said on the call. “And so we have to gird his loins with a lot of other people. So I think what Nancy’s talking about … this is the critical juncture that we highlight them.”
Matt Schlapp told AP on Monday that he stood behind what he said on the leaked call.
“There is a big dynamic in the national media that will not give President Trump any credit,” he said. “It’s important to get the message out there that most people recover from corona. Most people are not in mortal danger with corona and that we can safely open up the economy.”
As several Republican governors moved last week to lift their state lockdowns, the National Ensemble Forecast used by the CDC to predict COVID-19 infections and deaths saw a corresponding increase. The CDC now forecasts the U.S. will exceed 100,000 deaths by June 1, a grim milestone that previously was not predicted to occur until late in the summer.
As of Tuesday, more than 1.5 million Americans had tested positive for COVID-19, with more than 91,000 deaths reported nationwide.
Experts, including Fauci, have said that is likely an undercount, with the true number being much higher. Meanwhile, Trump has suggested, without providing evidence, that the official death toll from the virus is being inflated.
Schulze, who was working to organize the pro-Trump doctors, did not respond to messages from AP seeking comment. But after the AP contacted the Trump campaign seeking comment for this story, a Washington public relations firm that frequently works for conservative groups distributed an open letter to Trump signed by more than 400 doctors calling the state coronavirus lockdowns a “mass casualty event” causing “millions of casualties” from alcoholism, homelessness, suicide and other causes.
“It is impossible to overstate the short, medium, and long-term harm to people’s health with a continued shutdown,” the letter said. “Losing a job is one of life’s most stressful events, and the effect on a person’s health is not lessened because it also has happened to 30 million other people. Keeping schools and universities closed is incalculably detrimental for children, teenagers, and young adults for decades to come.”
The first signature on the letter was Dr. Simone Gold, an emergency medicine specialist in Los Angeles who is listed as a member of the Save Our Country Coalition on the group’s website. She has recently appeared on conservative talk radio and podcast programs to advocate for the use of hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug that Trump says he is taking because he believes it can prevent COVID-19 even though his own administration has warned it can have deadly side effects. Gold said she has prescribed the drug to two of her patients with good results.
The Food and Drug Administration warned health professionals last month that the drug should not be used to treat COVID-19 outside of hospital or research settings due to sometimes fatal side effects.
Gold told AP on Tuesday she started speaking out against shelter-in-place and other infection control measures because there was “no scientific basis that the average American should be concerned” about COVID-19. Like the president, she is advocating for a fast reopening, and argues that because the majority of deaths so far have been the elderly and people with preexisting conditions, younger people should be working.
Gold denied she was coordinating her efforts with Trump’s reelection campaign.
“But put this in there: I’m honored to be considered,” she said.
Cuomo blamed Trump for getting all the eldery killed by putting the covid positive in nursing homes ..Cuomo said that he followed Trump and his teams advice that told him to do it..yeah ok, I guess that Americas GOV.had no problem with the release of dangerous felons that were infected into society to rob, assault.murder and infect the innocent I dont think he can blame Trump for that but some how he will and the nutbags on the left will defend that phony liar.
So by calling them pro-Trump Doctors are you saying they happen to agree with the President's opinion on getting back to work
OR
Are you insinuating 600 Doctors have thrown their patients under the bus and thrown their Hippocratic Oaths in the trash for political reasons?
I didn't write or report the details in the article or call them anything.
Generally speaking, can doctors be bought and paid for? Yes, happened all the time in medical device sales.
Doctors have differing opinions all the time. In fact, it's why second opinions are encouraged when making a major health decision. Where an issue arises is when you intentionally seek only the opinion that suits your agenda for personal gain.
I'm confident you understand this.
You did read the entire article, no?
“Anybody who joins one of our coalitions is vetted,” Murtaugh said Monday. “And so quite obviously, all of our coalitions espouse policies and say things that are, of course, exactly simpatico with what the president believes. ... The president has been outspoken about the fact that he wants to get the country back open as soon as possible.”
I am now curious when you will begin to judge which Doctors are pro DeWine in their advice to him and which are not. Are they bought and paid for? Are you biased?
In your vast medical knowledge, are you so sure those 600 Doctors who are trying to warn us of a Pandemic within a Pandemic which has been created by locking their patients down for longer than necessary is not worthy of consideration in EE due to the simple fact they agree with our President?
‘Pro-Trump’ doctors sought to push rapid reopening of economy
Republican political operatives are recruiting sympathetic doctors to go on television to prescribe reviving the U.S. economy as quickly as possible, without waiting to meet safety benchmarks proposed by public health experts to help slow the spread of the new coronavirus.
‘Pro-Trump’ doctors sought to push rapid reopening of economy
Republican political operatives are recruiting sympathetic doctors to go on television to prescribe reviving the U.S. economy as quickly as possible, without waiting to meet safety benchmarks proposed by public health experts to help slow the spread of the new coronavirus.
Propagandists being sought to misinform the public. Taking applications now!
I guess they could just put covid patients in nursing homes like Democratic Governors. Oh! The media does not report on that so it must not have happened.
Or I guess someone could be told the virus was coming and do nothing about manufacturing PPE or manufacturing ventilators for two months. Then blame it on everyone else.
‘Pro-Trump’ doctors sought to push rapid reopening of economy
Republican political operatives are recruiting sympathetic doctors to go on television to prescribe reviving the U.S. economy as quickly as possible, without waiting to meet safety benchmarks proposed by public health experts to help slow the spread of the new coronavirus.
Propagandists being sought to misinform the public. Taking applications now!
I remember all of those doctors Obama had speaking who were against the ACA... I'm sure they weren't vetted to ensure they would say the right things..
Fact is, the people are still doctors, they are "experts"... they just disagree with your "experts"... so need to find a sinister motive.
Yeah, that's why they haven't been speaking out until suddenly this administration is out recruiting them. So it's your assertion that these doctors they will find are more expert than those who have been running the major virus agencies and health organizations on the entire planet?
You do realize that the haters that deny doctors and scientist that simply agree with Trump are dazzeled by the new wisdomful 17 year old Greta Thornberg lmao
You do realize it was The White House own team of experts that were disagreeing with Trump, right? The coronavirus team he appointed as the proper experts on the virus. But he can't stand to be disagreed with. So as usual, he'll stab anyone in the back who disagrees with him.
Yeah, that's why they haven't been speaking out until suddenly this administration is out recruiting them. So it's your assertion that these doctors they will find are more expert than those who have been running the major virus agencies and health organizations on the entire planet?
Here are the CDC Guidelines for Reopening that Trump was accused of "shelving and ignoring", take a look, tell me which ones we are in violation of.
I don't know how much time you spend on social media but Twitter has been full of doctors and other healthcare professionals speaking out in favor of opening businesses for a long time... Both sides of the issue are actually well-represented.. but if you rely on CNN, MSNBC, NYT, or WaPo, all of their articles seem to only favor one side... so I would understand why you don't realize there are a lot of people out there with different opinions.
One side ... STAY shut in and do not go out under any circumstance...
Other side... it's over, Now go out and fire up that economy for November!
Reality... it is not over until it's over, and we had better take some precautions to protect ourselves and those at higher risk.
I told my buddy the other day that now is the time to be more diligent. The last few weeks have been very controlled. People have generally been compliant with health and safety regulations. As these regulations get loosened and people are getting ‘bored’ of the rules, the rest of us need to be more conscious of our self protection. The numbers will grow. Don’t get lazy and become a number.
I sold my soul to help keep my fellow Americans alive. I listen to things like Hopkins University, Columbia University and those who our nation has depended on for decades.
Of course you wish to make that political. It's not. Covid will kill a Republican just as fast as it will kill a Democrat.
And let me tell you, a lot of people are breaking those guidelines. Everywhere I go I witness it.
buy folks just not giving a crap about other folks in this world. I really don't understand how they can live with themselves.
