Dr. Deborah Birx on Friday announced a “dramatic decline” in coronavirus deaths and hospitalizations across the country, particularly in the New York City metro area.
"A dramatic decline across the states" has also been seen in the positivity rate, as testing capabilities are expanded, said Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, during a briefing with reporters.
Birx called out three metro areas where the positivity rate has either stalled or increased: Washington, D.C., Baltimore and Minneapolis.
She said D.C. has the "number one" highest positivity rate of any metro area in the country, adding that "went through their logarithmic phase and are now at a high plateau with an unchanging number of cases day over day."
Some states have had little viral spread or "crushed the curve" to a great degree and have some wiggle room to reopen their economies without generating a new epidemic-level surge in cases. Others are nowhere near containing the virus
The coronavirus invades Trump country Caitlin Owens Caitlin Owens Featured image Photo: Alex Wong/Getty Images
Republicans are still less worried about the coronavirus than Democrats or independents, even as it spreads out from primarily urban areas into suburban and rural Republican-leaning areas.
Why it matters: The virus doesn't care about politics or geography. High-risk behavior in places where the virus is spreading is the recipe for an outbreak.
Map courtesy of the Brookings Institute. Note: High-risk counties are counties with at least 100 cases per 100,000 residents, as of May 17. The big picture: For the last four weeks, counties newly designated as having a high prevalence of coronavirus cases — meaning at least 100 cases per 100,000 people — were more likely to have voted for President Trump than Hillary Clinton in 2016, according to a recent analysis by the Brookings Institution.
The most recently identified counties tend to be in the South and the Midwest. Between March 29 and May 17, the portion of Americans living in high-prevalence counties rose from 8% to 79%. What they're saying: "This suggests that rhetoric from some of the president’s supporters against maintaining public health measures may become more muted, as the nation continues to grapple with the many unknowns about COVID-19’s continued spread," writes William Frey, the author of the analysis.
Yes, but: That's not happening.
Republicans are more willing than Democrats or independents to partake in activities that involve interacting with other people, per new polling by the Kaiser Family Foundation. Two-thirds of Republicans said either that the pandemic isn't a major problem or that the "worst is behind us." On the other hand, 70% of Democrats and half of independents said that the "the worst is yet to come."
Data: KFF; Chart: Axios Visuals The bottom line: How people feel about the coronavirus will undoubtedly impact the kinds of risks they are willing to take, which will in turn impact the extent of future outbreaks.
Although it may have been true in February and March that people living in red areas were unlikely to catch the coronavirus while going about their normal lives, it's not true anymore
Dire Situation In Alabama Capital: ICUs Full, Coronavirus Cases Double In May
TOPLINE The mayor of Montgomery, Alabama, says the city’s health care system has been “maxed out” as cases of coronavirus have more than doubled in May—a sharp contrast to the slowing coronavirus spread that’s taken place across much of the U.S.—while city businesses were allowed to reopen May 11, even as it appeared that Alabama hadn’t hit White House reopening guidelines.
KEY FACTS Major hospitals in the Montgomery area have run out of ICU beds, Mayor Steven Reed said at a news conference Wednesday, while others only one or two beds left.
Patients in need of care are now instead being sent 90 miles away to Birmingham, Alabama, the mayor said, a step the city hasn’t had to take until now.
Over 470 people have tested positive in Montgomery over the past two weeks, the Alabama Political Reporter notes, while the city only had a cumulative total of 355 cases going into May.
With cases quickly rising, the city was placed on an unreleased White House hotspot watch list on May 7, according to NBC News, which obtained a copy of the report.
But despite the rapid spread, businesses in the city were allowed to reopen starting May 11, after Governor Kay Ivey officially moved Alabama into Phase 1 of its reopening.
CRITICAL QUOTE
“Right now, if you are from Montgomery and you need an ICU bed, you are in trouble,” Reed said, adding “we are at a very critical point in our health care system’s capacity to manage this crisis. They are at a capacity that is not sustainable.”
KEY BACKGROUND
While the coronavirus pandemic seems to have peaked across much of the U.S. sometime in early-to-mid-April, the spread has actually accelerated in many areas of Alabama.
The state appeared to hit a plateau in hospitalizations in April, with numbers dropping during the middle of the month compared with the start of April. But things started to swing in the other direction by the start of May, with the 706 reported hospitalizations on Monday the highest single day total since the coronavirus pandemic spread to Alabama. Though the confirmed number of coronavirus cases has spiked in several areas of the nation — perhaps most notably in Texas — that can largely be attributed to an increase in testing.
WHAT WE DON’T KNOW
It’s not clear exactly what’s driven the rapid spread in Montgomery recently.
“I don’t have a specific indicator as to why that county did go up, but we do know that some of the cases were [epidemiologically] linked,” Dr. Karen Landers of the Alabama Department of Public Health told AL.com.
I saw something regarding this yesterday..... how few ICU beds do they have in Montgomery that this is an issue? Or, is it simply that almost all of the state's cases are in that one city?
I ask because the number of cases in Alabama is actually pretty low, comparatively. That city is a clear outlier.
They have only 5,178 total active cases in the entire state. They are testing on a far larger scale (per capita) than Ohio, so they are presumably uncovering more cases that might otherwise not show up as compared to a place like Ohio.... so, what's the deal???
I would say it also depends on the amount of testing and the accuracy of reporting as to whether or not the city is an outlier. The only numbers you can believe IMHO is verified deaths and that should be considered skewed to be lower because policy seems to be keep the official numbers low at all costs.
Some states have had little viral spread or "crushed the curve" to a great degree and have some wiggle room to reopen their economies without generating a new epidemic-level surge in cases. Others are nowhere near containing the virus
The problem with this is the same as having a peeing area in a public pool. You can’t contain a properly run state’s virus load when a neighboring state is acting a fool. All it takes is a few asymptomatic yokels from Alabama crossing into Texas for a good time weekend at the bars, or a ball game, or whatnot, to start a new death wave in Texas.
He also said he was voted "Man of the Year" in Michigan. Oh wait there is no Man of the Year in Michigan.
He also said they should explore injecting disinfectant.
mmmm hydroxychloroquine is so good for you. "hey, what do you have to lose." You wear a mask 40. How about your guru? So, mask = protection from you and for you.
hydroxychloroquine has zero scientific evidence to support taking it for covid 19.
The Orange brat says many things of which very little is true.
Missouri hair stylist with coronavirus worked while symptomatic, exposed dozens of clients
Health officials were tracking down 91 people who were potentially exposed to determine if they've developed COVID-19.
A hair stylist in Springfield, Missouri, exposed as many as 91 people to coronavirus after working at a salon for eight days while symptomatic, health officials said Friday.
The exposed include 84 Great Clips customers and, potentially, seven coworkers, said Clay Goddard, director of the Springfield-Greene County Health Department. The condition of the stylist, who was not identified, was not revealed.
So far, no other positive case connected to the stylist has been confirmed, but the county is nonetheless facing "a glut of cases," Goddard said. Those exposed at the salon would be offered tests.
"The good news is both the clients and the hairstylists were masked" at the time of exposure, he said.
Goddard said at a news conference Friday that more cases like this would quickly strain Springfield's ability to care for patients.
"The hair stylist worked while sick," he said. "I’m going to be honest with you: We can’t have many more of these."
Under Missouri's pandemic reopening, hair salons are allowed to operate.
He warned residents who recently visited the same locations as the stylist, including a Dairy Queen, a Walmart and a CVS pharmacy, to look for COVID-19 symptoms and isolate themselves if they develop. The stylist worked May 12 through Wednesday and tested positive, health officials said.
The co-owners of the Great Clips location told NBC affiliate KYTV that the employee "is following medical advice and taking appropriate actions." The salon was closed for sanitizing and deep cleaning, they said. Goddard said he was pleased with the location's response and that it's "safe to go there" now.
The patient is believed to have contracted the virus while traveling in another part of the state, Goddard said.
Fauci says extended stay-home orders could cause ‘irreparable damage’
Stay-home orders that extend too long could cause the U.S. “irreparable damage,” Dr. Anthony Fauci warned Friday.
Strict crackdowns on large gatherings and other orders, such as for home quarantines, were needed when the coronavirus first hit the nation, but those rules can now begin to be lifted in many parts of the country, Fauci said during an interview on CNBC.
“I don’t want people to think that any of us feel that staying locked down for a prolonged period of time is the way to go,” the member of the White House coronavirus task force said.
“But now is the time, depending upon where you are and what your situation is, to begin to seriously look at reopening the economy, reopening the country to try to get back to some degree of normal.”
He warned, however, against reckless reopenings and called for the use of “very significant precautions” as restrictions are lifted.
I spent a few minutes while grilling looking at webcams of Daytona, myrtle beach and one or two other and they were very busy. There was also 6 shot in that area of Daytona and several shot in myrtle just after midnight
Yes but come November all these people will vote and adhere to guidelines about not voting when sick and wearing personal protective gear etc. What could go wrong..... Oh I bet because they are young and irresponsible they won't vote, it'll be okay. Right?
Florida coronavirus cases near 50,000 as state adds 46 deaths
Researchers are warning southern states — Florida in particular — about the dangers of reopening too quickly and the potential for a second wave of the virus.
Cases have been going up, not down in Florida. They already fired the woman who was reporting accurate numbers because she wouldn't lie about it. Many states that have reopened couldn't wait just a little bit longer to follow CDC guidelines.
This is going to be an even bigger mess very soon and people still seem to promote massive death counts as the responsible way to move forward.
US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found
The United States was ranked the best-prepared country in the world to handle a pandemic in late 2019 by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security (JHCHS) -- an assessment seemingly at odds with claims by Democrats that the Trump administration left the country vulnerable to the ongoing coronavirus outbreak.
The Global Health Security Index was was "developed with guidance from an international panel of experts from 13 countries, with research by the Economist Intelligence Unit" from 2018 to 2019, The Washington Post reported last year. "More than 100 researchers spent a year collecting and validating publicly available data.”
At the same time, the paper noted that the U.S. score was still not perfect, and that "factors driving down the U.S. score include the risks of social unrest and terrorism, and low public confidence in government."
President Trump's campaign has argued in recent days that misinformation may be one of the leading causes of that lack of confidence. For example, Trump's team has pointed to claims by presidential contender Joe Biden that "no one on the National Security Council staff was put in charge" of pandemic preparedness, based on a report that in May 2018, then-National Security Adviser John Bolton eliminated the NSC’s Office of Global Health Security and Biodefense in a reorganization effort.
Rear Adm. R. Timothy Ziemer reportedly was ousted as senior director, and no replacement was named. But, FactCheck.org has determined that the matter amounted to a reorganization, and that “some team members [of the NSC pandemic office] were shifted to other groups, and others took over some of [the top official’s] duties.”
The White House says the NSC remains involved in responding to the coronavirus pandemic. A senior administration official said earlier this month that the NSC’s global health security directorate was absorbed into another division where similar responsibilities still exist, but under different titles. The work of coordinating policy and making sure that decisions made by Trump’s coronavirus task force are implemented is still the job of the NSC.
Separately, the Biden team has repeatedly argued that the president once referred to coronavirus as a "hoax." That claim has been refuted by numerous fact-checkers, including the Post's, which found that Trump was clearly referring to Democrats' efforts to blame him for the pandemic, not the virus itself.
Additionally, numerous Democrats, including Biden, have falsely claimed that the president cut the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) budget. The Associated Press has noted that those claims "distort" the facts.
Trump’s budgets have proposed cuts to public health, only to be overruled by Congress, where there’s strong bipartisan support for agencies such as the CDC and NIH. Instead, financing has increased. Indeed, the money that government disease detectives first tapped to fight the latest outbreak was a congressional fund created for health emergencies.
Some public health experts say a bigger concern than White House budgets is the steady erosion of a CDC grant program for state and local public health emergency preparedness — the front lines in detecting and battling new disease. But that decline was set in motion by a congressional budget measure that predates Trump.
“The CDC’s response has been excellent, as it has been in the past,” said John Auerbach, president of the nonpartisan Trust for America’s Health, which works with government at all levels to improve the nation’s response to high-risk health crises. Some Democrats have charged that Trump decimated the nation’s public health leadership, but Auerbach said CDC’s top scientific ranks have remained stable during the past three years.
Nevertheless, misleading reports about the Trump campaign's pandemic response efforts have continued to spread. A recent report by Reuters that the U.S. had recently terminated a CDC position in China was widely cited by Democrats and reporters as evidence of a lack of preparedness, and formed the basis for a reporter's question at a recent White House coronavirus briefing.
But, the article itself made clear that experts didn't think the move had anything to do with the spread of coronavirus in the United States.
"One disease expert told Reuters he was skeptical that the U.S. resident adviser would have been able to get earlier or better information to the Trump administration, given the Chinese government’s suppression of information," the outlet noted.
“In the end, based on circumstances in China, it probably wouldn’t have made a big difference,” former CDC epidemiologist and Emory University professor Scott McNabb told Reuters.
“The problem was how the Chinese handled it," McNabb continued. "What should have changed was the Chinese should have acknowledged it earlier and didn’t.”
Regardless, some lawmakers are pushing for more action out of an abundance of caution. Rep. Gerald Connolly, D-Va., and Rep. Steve Chabot, R-Ohio, have introduced a bill that would require future administrations to have experts always in place to prepare for new pandemics.
“Two years ago, the administration dismantled the apparatus that had been put in place five years before in the face of the Ebola crisis,” Connolly said. “I think, in retrospect, that was an unwise move. This bill would restore that and institutionalize it.”
Connolly said the bill is not meant to be critical of the Trump administration. He said it’s a recognition that Trump had to name a coronavirus responder just like Obama had to name one for Ebola in 2014. “We can’t go from pandemic to pandemic,” Connolly said.
The House Foreign Affairs Committee on March 4 passed the measure, which is co-sponsored by 37 Democrats and five Republicans.
GC, I don't do well posting links, would like someone to post this link of tampa bay 13, to this story because it is so telling, First. Florida Man, oh Florida man, you seem to be at it again, (world's worst superhero)
BUT! This story is so telling, of the unseen victims of Shutdowns of Covid, Especially if you read it, They were just trying to get home.
Story title, " Florida Man Kidnaps Girl 17 to get through Covid Checkpoint"
The Shady couple, couldn't prove they were from the Keys, so they got turned away, because the keys are shutdown, So they resort to this, (Bad ideas all around, imo) OH! and though a woman was involved, She hasn't even been charged, another case of Men's rights failing to be equal. But. He's a pos, (pile of stupidity) probably, allegedly, I don know, oft arrested though, but they both were, the couple, so, Ya equal rights
So many angles from an all around bad situation, that thankfully didn't end up with a dead innocent girl, this time. But the Role the checkpoint had in setting off this situation. So much to discuss.
Florida coronavirus cases near 50,000 as state adds 46 deaths
Researchers are warning southern states — Florida in particular — about the dangers of reopening too quickly and the potential for a second wave of the virus.
Cases have been going up, not down in Florida. They already fired the woman who was reporting accurate numbers because she wouldn't lie about it. Many states that have reopened couldn't wait just a little bit longer to follow CDC guidelines.
This is going to be an even bigger mess very soon and people still seem to promote massive death counts as the responsible way to move forward.
The media has been saying Florida was going to be a hot spot since mid march. The libs cannot stand that Gov DeSantis is doing an outstanding job balancing economic and health concerns. You will be disappointed but Florida will be fine.
GC, I don't do well posting links, would like someone to post this link of tampa bay 13, to this story because it is so telling, First. Florida Man, oh Florida man, you seem to be at it again, (world's worst superhero)
BUT! This story is so telling, of the unseen victims of Shutdowns of Covid, Especially if you read it, They were just trying to get home.
Story title, " Florida Man Kidnaps Girl 17 to get through Covid Checkpoint"
The Shady couple, couldn't prove they were from the Keys, so they got turned away, because the keys are shutdown, So they resort to this, (Bad ideas all around, imo) OH! and though a woman was involved, She hasn't even been charged, another case of Men's rights failing to be equal. But. He's a pos, (pile of stupidity) probably, allegedly, I don know, oft arrested though, but they both were, the couple, so, Ya equal rights
So many angles from an all around bad situation, that thankfully didn't end up with a dead innocent girl, this time. But the Role the checkpoint had in setting off this situation. So much to discuss.
Pentagon charts its own course on COVID-19, risking Trump's ire
The Pentagon is actively planning on living with the coronavirus well into 2021, putting it at risk of angering President Trump as he expresses confidence that the disease is on the wane.
Defense officials have extended a freeze on troop movement, held ships in port and laid the framework for what the military will look like in an extended pause because of the COVID-19 pandemic. On Tuesday, a leaked Pentagon memo revealed that top Defense Department (DOD) officials are planning for the possibility that the military could be dealing with the virus beyond this year.
The extended preparation cuts against White House messaging that the virus will recede in the coming months and that a vaccine could be available by the end of the year.
“There is a disconnect,” said Mackenzie Eaglen, a former congressional adviser on defense now with the conservative American Enterprise Institute. “At the same time, if anyone can take safe cover behind ‘We’re the department of planning for all contingencies,’ they can because that is what they’re supposed to do, over-plan and over-prepare.”
The situation is emblematic of the tough position the Pentagon has often been in during Trump’s presidency. Defense officials have frequently had to ensure they outwardly appear in line with the president’s wishes, while quietly navigate realities that might draw the president’s ire. It’s a phenomenon that has played out in everything from determining how to carry out Trump’s directive to remove troops from Syria, to implementing the president’s sudden edict to ban transgender service members, to offering options to respond to Iranian provocation.
With the coronavirus, the Pentagon has been charting its own course for months.
In late January, when only six people in the United States had been diagnosed with the illness and Trump was insisting the virus was under control, the Pentagon was releasing its first coronavirus-related guidance to service members and personnel.
At the end of February, as the president claimed the coronavirus would “disappear,” the Pentagon had already canceled several military exercises, restricted movement overseas and ordered all ships that had visited Pacific countries to self-quarantine.
In April, as Trump mused about reopening the country’s economy by Easter, Defense Secretary Mark Esper extended a militarywide travel ban to June 30.
And even as the Pentagon chief earlier this month declared that the administration aimed to deliver millions of doses of a coronavirus vaccine by the end of the year, the leaked draft DOD guidance warned of the “real possibility” that an effective vaccine won’t be available until “at least the summer of 2021.”
That outline, revealed last week, likely remained unpublished due to language that put it at odds with White House messaging, a former Pentagon official told The Hill.
“You’ll see the military prepare for the worse-case scenario,” the official said. “It’ll be Esper’s job to straddle that — let the commanders still, when they think it’s appropriate, prepare for the worse case, but not be out of sync with the White House politically.”
But toeing the line between White House messaging and DOD action has opened Esper up to critics who have accused him of acting slowly and punting decisions during the pandemic, putting service members at risk.
In late April, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) sent a letter to Esper — signed by nine of her Democratic senate colleagues — in which they expressed “grave concern” about how the Pentagon has handled the crisis.
The eight-page letter cited several examples, including the outbreak aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier and Esper pushing decisions on implementing social distancing and other guidance to local commanders.
“Civilian leadership of the department has failed to act sufficiently quickly, and has often prioritized readiness at the expense of the health of servicemembers and their families,” the senators wrote. “This failure has adversely affected morale, and, despite the department’s best intentions, undermined readiness.”
Esper and other officials have repeatedly defended their response, asserting their top priority is the health and safety of their personnel.
Asked about the leaked memo during a Friday appearance on the “Today” show, Esper said the department “is looking at a variety of futures.”
“A second wave is a possibility. I don’t think the coronavirus is going away anytime soon, at least not until we have a vaccine or a cure,” Esper said.
The document may still see the light of day, albeit with editing, Eaglen said.
“I do see the possibility that those words about the vaccine are probably going to be left out of the official guidance,” she said.
“Esper took a lot of flack for letting individual commanders decide for themselves the best coronavirus responses. I think this is an attempt to put out more uniform guidance for planning and avoid that the next time around,” she said.
This weekend I went to Lowes a couple times. I wear my mask, more out of courtesy for others. As I walked around different parts of the store getting my items, I started to notice a trend.
First probably 70-80% of the people had masks. Second, those without masks seemed to be the ones that those of us wearing them are doing it for.
They were the obese, the elderly, and in one case this women looked 2 steps short of her grave. She seemed to gasp for air every 5-6 steps, and had a smokers cough like you wouldn't believe.
If those that are most susceptible to contracting the disease, aren't interested in taking precautions, then the numbers will most likely rise for a while.
Society has a habit of making rules and regulations based on the actions of the few who don't care about any one else.
They were the obese, the elderly, and in one case this women looked 2 steps short of her grave. She seemed to gasp for air every 5-6 steps, and had a smokers cough like you wouldn't believe.
The media has been saying Florida was going to be a hot spot since mid march. The libs cannot stand that Gov DeSantis is doing an outstanding job balancing economic and health concerns. You will be disappointed but Florida will be fine.
Yes there has been a warning that it is going to come. Now it's happening. Facts actually matter to most of us.
You see, the media "reports what the experts are saying". They use sources and experts from the fields of expertise on the topic. Rather than listen to what those experts are saying, you just label it by "blaming the media".
It's why facts don't matter to some of you and many will pay the price for ignorance.
The media has been saying Florida was going to be a hot spot since mid march. The libs cannot stand that Gov DeSantis is doing an outstanding job balancing economic and health concerns. You will be disappointed but Florida will be fine.
Yes there has been a warning that it is going to come. Now it's happening. Facts actually matter to most of us.
You see, the media "reports what the experts are saying". They use sources and experts from the fields of expertise on the topic. Rather than listen to what those experts are saying, you just label it by "blaming the media".
It's why facts don't matter to some of you and many will pay the price for ignorance.
The experts have not been right yet!!! None of the models have been correct. No prediction has been right. Keep rooting for it to happen though.
The experts have not been right yet!!! None of the models have been correct. No prediction has been right. Keep rooting for it to happen though.
You're right. With social distancing and quarantine they predicted only about 61,000 people would die. Since states stopped doing that we're closing in on 100,000 with no end in sight.
You do realize that when they predicted cases would be going up, and now they're going up, that made them right, right?
Nobody is rooting for it to happen. It's just that some of us are trying to warn idiots to keep them from killing themselves and those they love.
The experts have not been right yet!!! None of the models have been correct. No prediction has been right. Keep rooting for it to happen though.
You're right. With social distancing and quarantine they predicted only about 61,000 people would die. Since states stopped doing that we're closing in on 100,000 with no end in sight.
You do realize that when they predicted cases would be going up, and now they're going up, that made them right, right?
Nobody is rooting for it to happen. It's just that some of us are trying to warn idiots to keep them from killing themselves and those they love.
You are again wrong. The social distancing was to prevent the hospitals from being over run. That has happened. Time to start living life again. Unless you are someone who is at risk then you should continue to shelter in place.
We cannot hide out forever that is crazy. We have to work!We have to live. Sheltering in place is not living.
That's not what anybody has said. The entire thing is very simple. There were guidelines in place for reopening. 14 days without an increase in cases for a state to begin to reopen. Stage one as they call it. Then, if you go another 14 days without increased cases, you advance to stage two. And so on.
You act as if those guidelines were not put in place for safety and hospitals in other places not to be overrun. It's already starting to happen.
With Some ICUs At Capacity, Alabama Accelerates Its Reopening
You make idiotic claims as if some wanted to shelter in place forever or until a vaccine is found. That's simply a lie. People simply want it done in a safe and responsible manner.
But it looks like you are getting your way and the entire nation will pay the price for it. As of right now it looks like the red states will not fare well in the coming months. Don't say you weren't warned.
DofD is correct. These stages were rolled out in order to prevent Italy from happening here. At the risk of sounding cold, people that are high risk are high risk whether they get sick now, or tomorrow, next week, or next month. What we were trying to prevent was our hospital systems from being overrun and patients suffering and dying because capacity was stretched too thin to treat everyone.
There are plenty of restrictions. I see restrictions everywhere I go.
No state has opened up without restrictions.
Now, if people follow the restrictions or not is an entirely different matter.
People will do what they want and not listen to the Government. A lot of what you are complaining about is a people problem, and not that the Government didn't put restrictions in place.
JMHO, you are correct sheltering isn't life as we knew it....however IF you want to maximize your chances of NOT getting infected with killing pandemic WITH NO KNOW CURE, you should keep your odds high. I'm old, 72, but my greatest fear isn't dying, but infecting my 4 yr old granddaughter who we see regularly. I live in Fl outside Tampa. Just like rest of country we have lots of people doing right thing, CDC distancing, and about 20% not doing much.....what to believe, doctor stated he did everything right yet got disease thru his EYES on flight he "had to be on". If thru his eyes, unlucky enough to walk/sit thru it being recirculated thru the plane....bottomline, we can MORE than exist while using our brains to live and no spread this stuff if we chose to....my hope is no young/children die and only old guys/gals like me go, BUT that isn't the reality. Keep your kids and love ones as safe as you can until there is a cure. Pray for one. Peace.
Unfortunately there are many people who will follow the example of trump. Not to wear a mask.
Many do it as a form of protest.
The virus does not sleep. Does not care. Does not worry about the economy.
Of course we need to get back to work. Nobody should dispute that. That problem lies with those who refuse to follow simple guidelines. Don't be in large crowds especially indoors. Wear a mask when indoors shopping etc. Social distance at all times. Not hard things to do or ask of others.
I wish I was optimistic. I wish people would use common sense.
And it's already beginning to happen again in Alabama because the reopening guidelines have been ignored.
That is not true. Hospitals generally keep their beds full. It has nothing to do with Covid.
Hospitals do not keep their ICU beds full. They don’t regularly have to ship people miles and miles away to be put in ICU beds at other hospitals. Don’t be absurd.
Thats funny cause wasnt it the INSANE PELOSI that stood in china town in her district w/o social distancing no mask weeks after Trump shut down CHINA from entering and claiming how safe it was and TRUMP was a racist, maybe that example is being followed. There lies my cynicism.....
And it's already beginning to happen again in Alabama because the reopening guidelines have been ignored.
That is not true. Hospitals generally keep their beds full. It has nothing to do with Covid.
Yeah all of the increased numbers they were talking about they just made up. This is why it's so hard to have an actual informed conversation with some people. Did you even bother to read the article quoting the mayor of Birmingham?
Some people will still admire a want to be dictator who threatens, fires and mocks anyone who even attempts to hold him accountable. They will still support a man who lies to them consistently even when American lives are at stake. They will only care about what they want over country. Sad...
Just like I want the middle class to grow and prosper.
There will always be rich and poor. There will always be extremists politically.
No political candidate will ever be right for all. That is just reality and I can accept that.
Like I posted before. Go back over the last 40 years of presidential elections. I would gladly accept the winners or losers any day of the week over trump.
This poor excuse for a human has cost this country in so many ways it is incalculable.
It is an embarrassment that he was elected. The only grace is; he didn't win the popular vote.
Great celebrate a one day stock market performance.
As we reach 100k deaths. That many have died that could have been alive if we had reacted properly.
Look around globally and measure the US per capita infection and mortality rate on how we responded.
Be objective and measure true leadership. As all science proves the effectiveness of wearing a mask. As the leader believes it doesn't apply to him.
Label as hate. How ironic. "He is a Mexican. I am building a wall." An American judge according to trump is unable to perform his job.
I wonder how you would feel if you went to trump university and got ripped off.
I wonder how you would feel if you lost a loved one to this virus early on. When it is clear each day cost lives. When there was no unified message other than.
"This will all miraculously disappear when it gets warmer."
There are still people yammering about a day's gain in the stock market? It's obvious that whether it's up or down isn't an indicator of the health of the economy. Tomorrow could very easily double up the losses and wipe everything out. For almost the last year, we've seen huge swings all over the place.
There are still people yammering about a day's gain in the stock market? It's obvious that whether it's up or down isn't an indicator of the health of the economy. Tomorrow could very easily double up the losses and wipe everything out. For almost the last year, we've seen huge swings all over the place.
Yep there goes big biz...shrugging off 100000 dead and 40000000 unemployed Taking loans from tax paying Americans while mom and pops all over the country lock their doors and hang a gone out of business sign in their windows. Yep the stock market is fine. The rich have abandoned us. We aren’t in this together.
President Trump marked a “sad milestone” on Thursday, after the United States reported more than 100,000 deaths due to the novel coronavirus, sending “sympathy & love” to those who have lost friends and family members.
“We have just reached a very sad milestone with the coronavirus pandemic deaths reaching 100,000,” Trump tweeted Thursday morning. “To all of the families & friends of those who have passed, I want to extend my heartfelt sympathy & love for everything that these great people stood for & represent. God be with you!”
You fail to see the obvious. Which I find is difficult to comprehend.
All that is required is to go back and watch all of what your guy has said. All the lies. All the personal attacks. All of the brat behavior and silly conspiracies. He has demeaned the office of the presidency.
He has no idea how to even conduct himself.
He has made a mockery of what this country stands for.
Did you ever notice that when you point out his lies and his failings, they have no real excuses. Rather than try and uphold all of his wrongdoing, all they can come back with is, "You hate him!"
Then they turn around and talk about how smart they are.
Their argument is so stupid it's hard to even make that crap up.
President Trump marked a “sad milestone” on Thursday, after the United States reported more than 100,000 deaths due to the novel coronavirus, sending “sympathy & love” to those who have lost friends and family members.
“We have just reached a very sad milestone with the coronavirus pandemic deaths reaching 100,000,” Trump tweeted Thursday morning. “To all of the families & friends of those who have passed, I want to extend my heartfelt sympathy & love for everything that these great people stood for & represent. God be with you!”
If he said this, this is the first time I've heard of him acknowledging the victims in a compassionate sympathetic way. That would be the real mile stone.
For anybody with Netflix, there is a very good show on called "Coronavirus Explained"..
As this thing has changed almost daily, it's not the most up to date but the background it gives, comparisons to other pandemics, etc is well done.
It's not politically biased, it talks of all countries around the world. they label it as episode 1 but it's the only episode out now as I'm sure they are still trying to make episode 2, even as things are changing...
When and how to wear medical masks to protect against coronavirus?
If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19. Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing. Masks are effective only when used in combination with frequent hand-cleaning with alcohol-based hand rub or soap and water. If you wear a mask, then you must know how to use it and dispose of it properly.
When and how to wear medical masks to protect against coronavirus?
If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19. Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing. Masks are effective only when used in combination with frequent hand-cleaning with alcohol-based hand rub or soap and water. If you wear a mask, then you must know how to use it and dispose of it properly.
It has been on a downward spiral for a long time.. which is why I've said many times, Trump is a symptom of the problem, he's not the cause. Trump could get re-elected, things won't change. Biden could get elected, things won't change. Bernie could have been elected, things won't change.
Things won't change because "We the people" don't want them to change.
I completely agree with you... so in the face of that, out of 291 democrat candidates, they nominated somebody who might be only slightly less perverted and racist...
I don't think Biden is racist. I look at him more like the little old lady who keeps using the term negro. That is what she was raised with and doesn't know any better but has no ill intent.
I think Trump is frankly racist (and a misogynist and ...)
Once upon a time the government was structured so opposing ideals could find solutions in middle ground through compromise.
Now it is based upon a trump ideology of us and the enemy.
Yes, before Trump it was working so smoothly.
Once again we have someone trying to deflect away from the fact Trump has done more to widen the divide than any president in our lifetime. Someone who avoids stepping up to admit that what Trump has done is like adding a can of gas to a fire.
I completely agree with you... so in the face of that, out of 291 democrat candidates, they nominated somebody who might be only slightly less perverted and racist...
If you actually believe that you are more lost than I could have ever imagined you to be.
Until very recently I never would even open a page of PP forum.
Knowing what to expect. I go to dawgtalkers for football discussion. Because sports is a sideline of life. A place for entertainment and escape.
I dislike politics. I have zero warm feelings for politicians. I recognize that politicians are professional liars. It is their business model.
Blogging about politics seems pointless. People seek media outlets and sources that feed their pre-existing viewpoints.
I came to manhood in a time of political unrest. I have dealt with it since then.
Again this country faces a choice. An election year under a cloud of a divisive president and global pandemic.
So I came into this forum and looked around. Disappointment once again. People are locked in. There will be no awakenings.
You could prove every argument. Back it up with the facts. Those opposed will run and come back with alternative "facts" and site their alternative sources who feed their views.
It has been on a downward spiral for a long time.. which is why I've said many times, Trump is a symptom of the problem, he's not the cause. Trump could get re-elected, things won't change. Biden could get elected, things won't change. Bernie could have been elected, things won't change.
Things won't change because "We the people" don't want them to change.
But Trump is worse for the country and for the division of the country and for Americas relationship with the rest of the world than any other candidate we see running as a viable option. Does anyone want to suggest - other than Russia - our relationship has improved or our standing with any other Nation has risen under Trump? How many of our traditionally strong allies in EU and especially the UK look at Trump and want to keep him at arms length? . . . The UK elected a conservative PM who is somewhat in the mold of Trump ... he is way smarter but lies fairly constantly ... Even Boris won't embrace Trump.
ONLY talking about the whole, saying things won't be "fixed" if Trump isn't elected misses the point of just how bad Trump is for the country. It's an enabling discussion. Starting with "Trump is worse for the country than any other candidate, left right or center, but the system is broke regardless of who is elected" is an entirely different discussion. Hell - add "probably" / "maybe" in their if you want to fence sit a little ... but still.
Why are you not smart enough to know that it will take at least a few weeks for the impact of these things to become clear? Oh that's right. It's because you're more concerned with an agenda than you are with facts.
Get back to me at the end of June.
Meanwhile...
Cases are rising rapidly in many southern states. Trump country is now starting to feel the impact more heavily.
CDC warns George Floyd protests may be ‘seeding event’ for more coronavirus outbreaks
-Protests across the U.S. and other parts of the world over the death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis police could be a “seeding event” for more coronavirus outbreaks, CDC Director Robert Redfield warned lawmakers.
-Redfield told the House Appropriations Committee that he would like to see people who took part in the protests get tested for the virus in the next few days.
-“I do think there is a potential, unfortunately, for this to be a seeding event,” he says.
According to him he's even oppressed here. And as you can see, he doesn't fit in at all. If we're not careful he'll start a white lives matter movement.
CDC: Some people are drinking and inhaling cleaning products in attempt to fight coronavirus
Orion Rummler Orion Rummler Image of Clorox bleach Clorox bleach. Photo: Chris Delmas/AFP via Getty Images The CDC released data on Friday from a survey commissioned to understand why more people have been calling poison control centers during the coronavirus pandemic.
What they found: Roughly 200 adults who responded to the survey in May said they intentionally inhaled disinfectants, washed food with bleach, or applied household cleaning products to bare skin to combat the virus — all of which are dangerous.
Fewer respondents reported drinking or gargling household cleaners and soapy water to fight COVID-19, or inhaling bleach and other cleaners. Flashback: President Trump said in April that disinfectants may be used to treat coronavirus, which doctors quickly warned people against doing on social media. Trump later said that his comments had been sarcastic.
The survey did not address Trump's comments as a contributing factor. Methodology: The opt-in online survey of 502 U.S. adults was conducted on May 4 by the Porter Novelli Public Services. The median age of respondents was 46 and 52% of respondents were women, while 63% were white. Respondents included all U.S. Census regions, with most from the South.
Survey responses were weighted to be nationally representative of U.S. demographics, but do not represent the U.S. population as a whole. What's next: The CDC is collecting more data to understand some Americans' lack of knowledge when handling household cleaners, and plans to look more closely at demographics.
I don't doubt that it's had an effect; I question the magnitude, just as I question the early estimate of just how widespread it was.
With us just now hitting 2 million cumulative cases, I just don't see the 60 (or 80 in that second link) million number being valid. Yes, I understand exponential growth. No, I don't believe the natural path would have followed a purely linear exponential track; especially in a country as large and spread out as this one.
We didn't learn in 2008, we aren't going to learn now.
I don't care what the fiasco or crisis is, STOP BAILING OUT COMPANIES.
I completely agree, though I was under the impression from reading the title that top execs were giving themselves some of the bailout money. After reading the article, some took paycuts and that 874 million figure is from data prior to the pandemic.
The furloughs and layoffs of lower paid hospital workers sucks the big one. I know a lot of these people and they are hard working front line staff who don't deserve this type of treatment. They work short all the time and I don't see how eliminating positions benefits anybody.
I don't doubt that it's had an effect; I question the magnitude, just as I question the early estimate of just how widespread it was.
With us just now hitting 2 million cumulative cases, I just don't see the 60 (or 80 in that second link) million number being valid. Yes, I understand exponential growth. No, I don't believe the natural path would have followed a purely linear exponential track; especially in a country as large and spread out as this one.
Assuming an IFR of 0.006 (which seems to be the best result from the world average), there have been about 18M cases in the US thus far (based on 110,000 deaths).
That is what the 60M deaths are being compared to. So they think the lockdown roughly decreased the number of cases by a factor of 3 (maybe 4, in the model with 80M cases).
They say we would have detected 4.5M cases without a lockdown -- currently we've detected right about 2M, so that is a little more than a factor of 2 decrease (we would have missed more early cases, because our testing capability wasn't there yet).
So they are predicting roughly a factor of three change, not a factor of 30-40.
eh, ok... I can get with that, kinda, but it seems pretty damn weak and super cheesy to be claiming an extrapolated/projected success from an inferred/guessed at number just so you can boost your claim.
It's a headline attention-grabber, but really just an extrapolation built on an extrapolation.
So we’re really gonna gloss over the fact that over 300k trump supporters are willing to sign a COVID waiver to go to a rally and hear about how it’s a hoax and overblown?
So we’re really gonna gloss over the fact that over 300k trump supporters are willing to sign a COVID waiver to go to a rally and hear about how it’s a hoax and overblown?
The rally will be interesting to see just from the standpoint of those who show up. Will they follow CDC guidelines?
Will they show trump support by not wearing a mask? Like that is a political statement.
Pence says there will be no second wave. Maybe God told him. Like he says “Congress should oppose any effort to put gay and lesbian relationships on an equal legal status with heterosexual marriage.”
Nothing like thousands gathering to hear from the guy who dragged his feat on reacting to the virus while the virus is still killing and cases are increasing in many states.
In a time when the country is crying for leadership in the office of the presidency sits the single worse example of a leader.
I'm angry and disappointed [which is an even worse emotion for me] that our president and his supporters are making this pandemic a political issue rather than a health issue.
As I said in another thread, my daughter tested positive today. She almost certainly caught it while working at her business. I have also talked about the risk to my wife because she is in health care and is at an advanced age. Trump and his supporters don't seem to care much about us. It's all a freaking political game to them.
Hope she recovers quick. A former colleague who now lives in another area of Alaska caught it and bedridden in her house for 14 days. She’s recovered and her lungs have cleared up.
What gets me is here in town is that 95% of people are great at having a mask on, yet the 5% who typically aren’t wearing masks aren’t Alaska Native. Alaska Natives have dealt with countless pandemics and yet here we have people going on and on about oppressive government while not recognizing the history of how pandemics have impacted Alaska Natives.
It's infuriating. Hell, more people than not are not wearing masks here in SC.
I was at the grocery store last week and there was this big idiot in a bright green shirt, flip flops, shorts, no mask, and walking down the wrong way of an aisle. He sees a guy he knows who is wearing a mask and traveling the correct way. They exchange hellos and the green-shirted guy is very loud. He shouts: "I see you still have your Covid costume on. That blank is long gone." He laughs loud. I'm right behind his acquaintance and I say: "Blankhole."
I have no problem w/people who want to endanger themselves, but stop putting the rest of us at risk.
I was talking to my daughter today and she was lamenting the fact that she can't prove that those two business clients didn't give her the virus. The fact is that more folks will get the virus because of people who act selfishly.
And here is another thing. I hear these idiots saying "Oh, this virus wasn't that bad. They overstated things and took away our rights." Uhmmm.........did any of those geniuses stop to think that taking precautions actually helped combat the spread of the virus?
Of course, it is an early analysis, and robust numbers are difficult -- but that's good evidence for the efficacy of the lockdown.
The lock down wasn't effective. It was a delay tactic. If you avoided being exposed, you're still as vulnerable as you were during the lockdown. People that avoided the virus are now out getting exposed, which will be the cause of the 2nd wave.
The lock down wasn't effective. It was a delay tactic. If you avoided being exposed, you're still as vulnerable as you were during the lockdown. People that avoided the virus are now out getting exposed, which will be the cause of the 2nd wave.
But now the hospitals aren't overloaded -- and the doctors generally know how to treat patients better. The mortality rate would have been much higher if all the ICUs were overloaded (like in NYC).
We potentially even have Dexamethasone -- with very promising early results. If we can really cut the death rate by a third - that's a huge win for delaying.
Sorry to hear about your daughter and I certainly understand the deep concern you have in regards to your wife. Luckily for myself it hasn't hit that close to home... yet. It's beginning to hit many red states hard as of now. Not trying to be political about it, but it does make me wonder if their view of things will change when it starts impacting their communities much more with so many cases hitting close to home..
Damn! With is underlying health issues I certainly hope things work out okay. As a father you must find this devastating news. My prayers go out to your family Vers.
I don't know what the underlying health issues are - but when things like this hit family and friends it brings a different dimension and hits hard. Prayers and best wishes for a fast and complete recovery.
I don't know what the underlying health issues are
He is a cancer survivor and his immune system isn't what it should be.
Thanks guys, but I am going to bow out now and let the discussion get back to politics. I probably won't look at this thread again because I really am in no mood to read some of the right-wing takes about how their rights have been infringed upon and how the the restrictions were similar to Nazi Germany.
Not going away...120,000 dead American’s under trump’s watch. Millions still out of work. Unemployment at 20%. Thousands of small businesses closed for good. Second wave of COVID starting to spike. 20 states including Oklahoma recorded the highest single day total in cases. Enjoy your trump rally. Pffft trump supporters. The walking plague.
Not going away...120,000 dead American’s under trump’s watch. Millions still out of work. Unemployment at 20%. Thousands of small businesses closed for good. Second wave of COVID starting to spike. 20 states including Oklahoma recorded the highest single day total in cases. Enjoy your trump rally. Pffft trump supporters. The walking plague.
Trump is a moron and he has handled this virus as if it is an inconvenient speed bump to his re-election. He's lied and made dozens of ill conceived statements - many of which have had consequences.
But the country would be in virtually the same place no matter who was in charge. In the big picture, Trump's idiocy made a very small difference. I hate trying to paint everything about CV-19 at his feet.
Not going away...120,000 dead American’s under trump’s watch. Millions still out of work. Unemployment at 20%. Thousands of small businesses closed for good. Second wave of COVID starting to spike. 20 states including Oklahoma recorded the highest single day total in cases. Enjoy your trump rally. Pffft trump supporters. The walking plague.
Trump is a moron and he has handled this virus as if it is an inconvenient speed bump to his re-election. He's lied and made dozens of ill conceived statements - many of which have had consequences.
But the country would be in virtually the same place no matter who was in charge. In the big picture, Trump's idiocy made a very small difference. I hate trying to paint everything about CV-19 at his feet.
I don't agree.. I think a quicker response and acknowledgement of the virus may have saved lives.
Of course we'll never know for sure, but it's my belief that if you waste time, you could be wasting lives..
The thing is, it was an obvious lie to anyone who paid attention. People could see news footage from all over the globe, many who had already dealt with pandemics before, who were ALL wearing masks.
This is what happens when people blindly believe the government, no matter who is in charge, and refuse to think for themselves. Our government has either been lying or hiding the truth from us since the beginning. Just look at a high school American History book and see what's "not in there".
Not going away...120,000 dead American’s under trump’s watch. Millions still out of work. Unemployment at 20%. Thousands of small businesses closed for good. Second wave of COVID starting to spike. 20 states including Oklahoma recorded the highest single day total in cases. Enjoy your trump rally. Pffft trump supporters. The walking plague.
Trump is a moron and he has handled this virus as if it is an inconvenient speed bump to his re-election. He's lied and made dozens of ill conceived statements - many of which have had consequences.
But the country would be in virtually the same place no matter who was in charge. In the big picture, Trump's idiocy made a very small difference. I hate trying to paint everything about CV-19 at his feet.
I don't agree.. I think a quicker response and acknowledgement of the virus may have saved lives.
Of course we'll never know for sure, but it's my belief that if you waste time, you could be wasting lives..
Probably - and every life matters - but it's a small difference. Putting the entire CV-19 mess and impact all on Trump is wrong.
I've said the same thing before. I think you can certainly look at the delayed response, the crazy, stupid comments he said as a clear sign he's not prepared to handle a national crisis. But how many deaths could have been prevented by addressing it earlier is something we'll never know for a fact.
22 January: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”
24 February: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
25 February: “CDC & my administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus” and “I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away. They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
26 February: “We’re going very substantially down, not up” and “The 15 [cases] within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero”
27 February: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear”
2 March: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don’t think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?” and “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”
6 March “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down” “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. And the tests are beautiful. They are perfect just like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good”
“I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president”
8 March: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on Coronavirus”
9 March: “This blindsided the world”
13 March: “I am officially declaring a national emergency”
I won't even get into the idea of injecting disinfectant.
Nebraska governor threatens to withhold coronavirus relief funds from counties that require masks
By Jason Silverstein
June 19, 2020 / 12:36 PM / CBS News
The governor of Nebraska has threatened to withhold millions of dollars in coronavirus relief funds from counties that require people to wear masks. The order contradicts advice from the state's health officials and even the governor himself, who has publicly implored the public to wear masks when they go to stores.
"If they don't want to follow the guidelines, they won't be eligible for the CARES Act money," Governor Pete Ricketts, a Republican, said at a press conference about the pandemic response. "But that's certainly their prerogative to do that."
A spokesman for Ricketts told the Omaha World-Herald that counties requiring masks risk losing the funds provided for them in the federal government's CARES Act. The legislation gave Nebraska about $1 billion in relief funds, including $100 million for counties, cities and utilities. Ricketts is in charge of distributing that money.
"Counties are not prohibited from requiring masks, but if they want CARES Act money, they have to be fully open, and that means they cannot deny service for not wearing a mask," Ricketts spokesman Taylor Gage told the newspaper.
CBS News has reached out to Gage for comment.
Ricketts has regularly urged Nebraskans to wear masks in public during his coronavirus press conferences. At the same time, he has said businesses can only encourage customers to wear face coverings, and are not allowed to deny services to people who don't.
Meanwhile, physicians and health officials advising Ricketts on the state's coronavirus response say Nebraskans should be wearing masks in public to contain the spread of the virus.
Some county officials also lamented losing control over how they handle the pandemic.
"We know best what is happening in our counties," Deb Schoor, a district commissioner in Lancaster County — which includes the capital and second-largest city, Lincoln — told CBS Lincoln affiliate 1011 Now. "We're working with our health directors, our health officials. But yet realizing our governor is in control of these funds, and we will make sure we will do everything that we can."
Nebraska has confirmed more than 17,400 coronavirus cases, and 240 deaths, as of Friday, according to the state health department. Its daily confirmed cases peaked in late April and early May, with some days seeing more than 500 new cases. Several days this past week, the state saw nearly 200 new cases confirmed.
Ricketts is the one of few governors who held off on issuing a statewide stay-at-home order when the pandemic hit, even as the virus spread to nearly every county. Ricketts said that other governors had urged him to put out a statewide order, but he believed a county-by-country approach was better.
Ricketts appeared at the White House Thursday for a governors roundtable, where he praised President Trump's handling of the pandemic. "We really appreciate your efforts, your leadership and that of your team to be able to help us through this pandemic and give us the tools to be able to manage it," he told the president.
So let me see if I get this straight. If you're doing all you can to combat Covid 19 by listening to the health experts, we're going to cut off your finding to combat Covid 19?
Trump Inherited More Ventilators Than Have Been Distributed By D'Angelo Gore
Posted on June 22, 2020
Contrary to President Donald Trump’s repeated claims that he inherited a Strategic National Stockpile with “empty” or “bare” cupboards, the federal government had more ventilators in stock than it ended up distributing amid the COVID-19 pandemic, FactCheck.org has learned.
The SNS had 16,660 ventilators “immediately available for use” when the federal government began deploying the breathing machines to states to treat critically ill COVID-19 patients in March, according to a Department of Health and Human Services spokesperson.
None of those ventilators was bought by the Trump administration, the spokesperson told us.
In a separate email to us on June 17, another HHS spokesperson said the federal government has distributed 10,640 ventilators during the pandemic.
Both HHS representatives said we could attribute their responses to an “HHS spokesperson.”
That affirms what we previously wrote in early May: that there were “likely thousands” of ventilators in the federal stockpile of emergency medicines and equipment that Trump inherited from his predecessor.
We could not provide the exact numbers – until now.
In defending his administration’s response to the coronavirus pandemic, Trump has frequently made the false claim that, when he took office, the SNS was “bare,” or “empty,” and lacked ventilators, which help individuals breathe when they can’t do so on their own. He has also taken credit for preventing deaths by refilling the stockpile.
On April 30, Trump falsely claimed, “We had a ventilator problem that was caused by the fact that we weren’t left ventilators by a previous administration.”
Most recently, at a June 18 roundtable with governors about the reopening of U.S. small businesses, the president said: “[W]hen we came here, you had very few ventilators in this country. And by the time we started, not one person that needed a ventilator didn’t get it. So everybody that needed a ventilator got a ventilator. … [W]e stocked up those shelves. The cupboard was empty, and we filled up the cupboards.”
In March, there was concern about whether or not the country would have enough ventilators to meet the needs of the health crisis. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo publicly asked the federal government for thousands more than it had provided, and Trump criticized Cuomo’s handling of the pandemic.
Vice President Mike Pence appeared to recently acknowledge that the Trump administration inherited ventilators. In a June 16 op-ed, Pence wrote that the SNS “hadn’t been refilled since the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, and it had only 10,000 ventilators on hand” in March.
It’s true that the SNS, which holds a variety of medical supplies that states can request to use during a public health crisis, was not fully replenished after millions of N95 respirators, masks, gloves and other protective items were distributed during that 2009 pandemic. But there were even more ventilators available in March than Pence said.
In an email to FactCheck.org, an HHS spokesperson told us:
HHS spokesperson, June 20: [T]here were 16,660 ventilators in the Strategic National Stockpile (SNS) inventory immediately available for use when the SNS began deploying ventilators in March 2020 in support of the COVID-19 response. All of these ventilators were serviced, recertified and operable. An additional 2,425 ventilators were in maintenance at that time as part of the normal and routine maintenance process. Every ventilator and resupply kit in the SNS is serviced regularly by a contracted commercial vendor to meet or exceed the manufacturer’s recommended maintenance schedule. In general, prior to March of this year, the SNS stored approximately 19,000 ventilators in its inventory for many years, and this number fluctuated on any given day depending on the number of ventilators in scheduled maintenance. … [I]n January 2017 the total number of ventilators in the SNS inventory immediately available for use would not have been much different than what the SNS had immediately available for use in March 2020.
Importantly, the spokesperson added, “the stock of 16,660 ventilators … did not include any acquired by the current administration.”
We also now know that the SNS had more ventilators in March than it ended up distributing amid the current pandemic.
In an email to us on June 17, another HHS spokesperson said: “Since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic response, the federal government has deployed 10,640 ventilators from the SNS to public health jurisdictions nationwide. At this time, the SNS has fulfilled all requests for ventilators and has not experienced a shortage of ventilators to support public health and healthcare facilities treating COVID-19 patients.”
At least 7,920 of those 10,000-plus ventilators went out by April 6, according to an HHS document released that month by the House Committee on Oversight and Reform. That was before April 8, when HHS announced the first of nine different contracts for companies, such as General Motors and General Electric, to produce new ventilators under the Defense Production Act. The White House announced April 2 that Trump was invoking that 1950 law to increase output of the life-saving devices.
HHS told us those contracts are expected to produce more than 180,000 ventilators to be added to the stockpile. That doesn’t include additional ventilators that states purchased directly from private companies when states couldn’t get the number of machines they expected to need from the federal supply.
The SNS currently has approximately 24,000 ventilators available for deployment, an HHS spokesperson said.
facts don't matter. GOPers are just trying to distract from today's scandal. So they are taking shots at everyone. Some of the FB memes are ridiculous.
facts don't matter. GOPers are just trying to distract from today's scandal. So they are taking shots at everyone. Some of the FB memes are ridiculous.
I agree. However, your side is just as bad. Look at the Bubba Wallace thread.
I seriously want to know why so many of you on both sides are so intent on championing hate? What in the world do you have against us uniting? Serious question. I am not being mean. I just don't get why people are so hateful and divisive.
Getting a bit crazy in Houston... Texas medical center is at 97 percent capacity for ICU beds... my hospital.. Texas children's...is taking adult Covid patients....
Please state or show where I told a woman how to feel about a virus. Nor did I go off about something about "their efforts further the divide" or whatever your current rallying cry is.
Also, you should really think about coming at me. You usually look like a fool when you try to take me down.
Here's a haymaker for you.
Want to know how I feel about women's rights? I walk my talk. My wife and I discussed the best way for us to walk our talk, so I took her last name rather than her taking mine when we got married.
Next time you try and make some silly point, I hope you don't miss like you just did.
Want to know how I feel about women's rights? I walk my talk. My wife and I discussed the best way for us to walk our talk, so I took her last name rather than her taking mine when we got married.
Call me old school, but I don't think that admitting you've been demasculinized is a mic drop situation.
What has dudes last name got ANYTHING to do with masculinity? smdh. Here I thought we were in 2020
Zero. I think jfanet was in a rush to put down Rocket's ridiculous post and got sloppy.
For me, I would've pointed out the irony of a "mic drop" post featuring a gif of THE DORKIEST, WHITEST GUY IMAGINABLE trying to be cool (not Cranston, he's the man). Seriously... denim shirt under a sweater.
What has dudes last name got ANYTHING to do with masculinity? smdh. Here I thought we were in 2020
...and I said call me old school. He relinquished a traditional male role and I didn't see it as a mic dropping situation. What are you shaking your head about?
What has dudes last name got ANYTHING to do with masculinity? smdh. Here I thought we were in 2020
...and I said call me old school. He relinquished a traditional male role and I didn't see it as a mic dropping situation. What are you shaking your head about?
I am shaking my head at the notion that adopting your wife's name has any relationship to or bearing on masculinity. That's 'old school' in the same way that saying you think the world is flat is old school.
White House ordered NIH to cancel coronavirus research funding, Fauci says The research was the target of a conspiracy theory about the origin of the new coronavirus. BETH MOLE - 6/24/2020, 7:
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The National Institutes of Health abruptly cut off funding to a long-standing, well-regarded research project on bat coronaviruses only after the White House specifically told it to do so, according to Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
Fauci made the revelation Tuesday at a Congressional hearing on the federal response to the COVID-19 pandemic, which is caused by a coronavirus that is genetically linked to those found in bats. Rep. Marc Veasey (D-Texas) asked Fauci why the NIH abruptly canceled funding for the project, which specifically worked to understand the risk of bat coronaviruses jumping to humans and causing devastating disease.
Fauci responded to Veasey saying: “It was cancelled because the NIH was told to cancel it.”
“And why were they told to cancel it?” Veasey pressed.
“I don’t know the reason, but we were told to cancel it,” Fauci said.
After the hearing, Fauci clarified to Politico that it was the White House that told the NIH to cancel the funding. An unnamed White House official told Politico that the White House did encourage the funding cut, but ultimately it was the Department of Health and Human Services—of which the NIH is a part—that made the final decision. An HHS spokesperson said only that the funding was cut because "the grantee was not in compliance with NIH's grant policy."
In an emailed statement to Ars Wednesday, the NIH did not respond to questions about the cancellation, saying only that “NIH does not discuss internal deliberations on grant terminations.” Politics and conspiracies The involvement of the White House is a new wrinkle in a story that has appalled and angered scientists. Since the grant was nixed in late April, scientists had speculated that politics and a conspiracy theory played a role in canceling funding for the research, which was in good scientific standing and seen as critical work. The grant, titled “Understanding the risk of bat coronavirus emergence,” was originally funded by the NIH in 2014 and renewed for another five years in 2019 after receiving an outstanding peer-review score.
The research is run by EcoHealth Alliance Inc., a nonprofit based in New York, but it collaborates with a virologist at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) in China, who works with bat coronaviruses. The WIV became the center of a conspiracy theory that suggested that the pandemic coronavirus originated in or escaped from a lab at the institute.
On April 17, a reporter brought up that conspiracy theory and EcoHealth’s grant to President Trump during a press conference. The reporter asked: “Why would the US give a grant like that to China?” Trump responded that “We will end that grant very quickly.”
In an email to EcoHealth on April 19—two days later—Dr. Michael Lauer, NIH deputy director for Extramural Research, reportedly wrote:
The scientific community believes that the coronavirus causing COVID-19 jumped from bats to humans likely in Wuhan where the COVID-19 pandemic began. There are now allegations that the current crisis was precipitated by the release from Wuhan Institute of Virology of the coronavirus responsible for COVID-19. Given these concerns, we are pursuing suspension of Wuhan Institute of Virology from participation in federal programs.
The funding was terminated on April 24. In a termination letter to EcoHealth, the NIH wrote: “At this time, NIH does not believe that the current project outcomes align with the program goals and agency priorities.”
Shoddy truth Following Dr. Fauci’s revelations Tuesday, EcoHealth President Peter Daszak tweeted that it was an “obvious case of political interference.”
“Eventually, we’ll all know the shoddy truth of how a conspiracy theory pushed by this administration led @NIHDirector to block the only US research group still working in China to analyze COVID origins,” he wrote. “Thanks to this China can now do the research, we can’t!”
Scientists, meanwhile, have roundly refuted claims that the WIV was the source of the new coronavirus, noting that natural spillover from animals is the most likely source.
In an April 18 comment to ScienceInsider, the WIV virologist working with EcoHealth—Shi Zhengli—also disputed the link, saying that “the closest progenitor of COVID-19 virus is still mysterious and it’s definitely not from my lab or any other labs... It’s a shame to make the science so complicated.”
Scientists also continue to express dismay at the apparent political interference. The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) released a statement Wednesday saying that such orders to cancel funding “will undermine the integrity of science funding and public trust. We urge Congress to use its oversight authority to ensure that the integrity of government science agencies is not compromised.”
Getting a bit crazy in Houston... Texas medical center is at 97 percent capacity for ICU beds... my hospital.. Texas children's...is taking adult Covid patients....
Texas pauses reopening as hospitals inundated with 'explosion' of COVID-19 cases “The last thing we want to do as a state is go backwards and close down businesses," Gov. Greg Abbott said.
Its looking to get real ugly quick in Texas
US coronavirus cases hit new record for a single day; Texas ICUs near capacity JUNE 25, 202001:53 June 25, 2020, 12:04 PM EDT / Updated June 25, 2020, 12:23 PM EDT By Corky Siemaszko The governor of Texas hit the brakes on reopening his state Thursday as hospitals were inundated with “an explosion” of new COVID-19 cases and officials warned there might not be enough beds available.
“The last thing we want to do as a state is go backwards and close down businesses," Gov. Greg Abbott said in a statement. "This temporary pause will help our state corral the spread until we can safely enter the next phase of opening our state for business."
Abbott urged "all Texans to do their part to slow the spread of COVID-19 by wearing a mask, washing their hands regularly and socially distancing from others."
"The more that we all follow these guidelines, the safer our state will be and the more we can open up Texas for business,” he said.
The surprise statement from Abbott came shortly after he issued an executive order designed to free up more beds in the state’s four biggest counties by postponing “all surgeries and procedures that are note immediately medically necessary.”
But the grim news was not just limited to Texas as the U.S. saw a record number of new coronavirus cases in a single day, with 45,557 reported Wednesday, according to a tally by NBC News.
Many were in Southern and Western states like Texas, Arizona and Florida that began aggressively reopening around Memorial Day and are now seeing staggering spikes that make clear the deadly virus is showing no sign of going away, as President Donald Trump has repeatedly predicted.
Overnight, Florida added 5,004 new COVID-19 cases and the state’s death toll climbed to 3,327. Arizona reported 3,056 new cases and 27 additional deaths Thursday.
“We reopened against the backdrop of a lot of persistent spread in those states, so it’s inevitable that cases were going to go up,” former federal Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “I think they’ve gone up more than most people expected, and I’ve certainly been surprised by the acceleration in the cases as well. I think most of us were.”
In Texas, Dr. Faisal Masud, medical director of critical care medicine at the Houston Methodist hospital system, said they were managing for now, “but if this trajectory is what it was the last 10 days when we literally had a tripling of our cases --- we can’t do that for a couple weeks at all.”
“This is not good,” he told NBC News. “The explosion of patients all across, that explosion has to slow down."
In New York, Gov. Andrew Cuomo insisted Thursday he was serious about enforcing the two-week quarantine that he and the governors of New Jersey and Connecticut want all visitors from current coronavirus hot-spot states like Texas, Florida and Alabama to follow.
CORONAVIRUS Gov. Ron DeSantis says Florida can host Republican National Convention “The law is if you come in from another state you have to self-quarantine for 14 days,” Cuomo said on CNN. “If you don't, and you get caught, you will have violated the law, you can be fined.”
“If you fly in to New York, we'll have your name, we'll know where you're supposed to be staying. There will be random checks,” he added.
But public health and policing experts told NBC News they have serious doubts about whether such a requirement can be enforced, while one pundit suggested Cuomo’s move was political payback against Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who had called for New Yorkers to self-quarantine for two weeks in March when coronavirus cases were spiking in New York.
Much of the country had to be shut down to stop the spread of the coronavirus and the roaring economy that began under President Barack Obama and continued under Trump was brought to an abrupt halt in February by the pandemic.
The effects of that were evident Wednesday when the Department of Labor reported that some 1.48 million people filed for unemployment benefits last week. It was the 14th straight week that states processed over one million first-time applications.
Larry Kudlow, the director of the National Economic Council, conceded in an interview Thursday with Fox Business Network that “there are spikes in hot spots, there's no doubt about that, and there will be some shutdowns, in individual places.”
But Kudlow said he believes that by the end of the year the unemployment rate will go below 10 percent, and “it's going to be a steady drum with higher jobs and lower unemployment.”
The current national unemployment rate is 13.3 percent, according to the Labor Department.
What has dudes last name got ANYTHING to do with masculinity? smdh. Here I thought we were in 2020
...and I said call me old school. He relinquished a traditional male role and I didn't see it as a mic dropping situation. What are you shaking your head about?
I am shaking my head at the notion that adopting your wife's name has any relationship to or bearing on masculinity. That's 'old school' in the same way that saying you think the world is flat is old school.
I'm proud to be the man of the house. If you guys want to give up your sacks it's none of my business. I apologize.
Houston has a hospitalization rate at 97% and rising. Others are seeing hospitalization rates rising rapidly. I guess some of them feel they should wait until the hospitals are overrun before taking the actions needed to slow down the problem.
Houston Facing ‘Apocalyptic’ July 4 Holiday as Virus Surges
Bloomberg Joe Carroll BloombergJune 25, 2020 (Bloomberg) -- Houston’s Covid-19 outbreak is accelerating at an exponential pace that will swamp the fourth-largest U.S. city’s medical infrastructure by the Independence Day holiday, less than two weeks away, a leading disease specialist warned.
Even as Houston-area intensive-care wards approach full capacity, the worst is yet to come because of “the huge amount of transmission going on in our community,” Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, said in an interview Thursday.
Current trends in Harris County, which includes Houston, indicate the caseload will triple or quadruple by mid-July, Hotez said, citing modeling by the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia’s PolicyLab. Such a scenario would be “apocalyptic,” he said. “We can’t go there.”
Hotez’s remarks came a day after the Texas Medical Center warned the Houston region’s intensive-care capacity was quickly filling up and would soon force medical authorities to convert other facilities to ad hoc Covid-19 wards. Harris County officials said they are prepared to reopen a field hospital at a professional football stadium if so-called surge capacity shows signs of strain.
The trajectory of new cases is “going vertical,” Hotez said. “That’s what epidemic diseases classically do.”
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.American coronavirus testing remains fragmented, as in the early days of the pandemic, and the bottlenecks are the same ones, too. People seeking drive-up coronavirus tests in Phoenix faced a three-mile-long car line last weekend. On Friday, Arizona's largest laboratory received twice as many samples as it could process. The phone line for testing appointments at a large site on the state fairgrounds now opens at 7 a.m. with 800 callers already in the queue.
By 7:07 a.m., all 1,000 appointments for the day are typically taken.
"We are literally overwhelmed with the numbers requested," said Dr. Marjorie Bessel, chief clinical officer at Banner Health, the hospital system that runs the fairground site. "The testing is very popular, and very needed, but we don't have enough of it."...
It was very disappointing to see how unprepared the country was for this type of event. It is much worse to see that this many months into the pandemic we are still having the same issues. I did not place the blame for the initial consequences of the outbreak on anyone. From here on out, these types of situations rest squarely on the shoulders of this administration and their supporters.
The WHO helped mislead the world, and more specifically the US on direction for wearing masks. They also helped China in an advantageous way. This has become a well known fact the past couple of months and I am so proud of President Trump for de-funding them as they don't deserve a damn cent from the US.
If you are behind in the news that's understandable. If not then there's no excuse for you to still believe in the WHO. They have ZERO IDEA what they're doing and are not credible anymore. I know its tempting for you to believe in a collectivist type organization because you like globalism and believe in that type of stuff but come on...
The WHO helped mislead the world, and more specifically the US on direction for wearing masks. They also helped China in an advantageous way. This has become a well known fact the past couple of months and I am so proud of President Trump for de-funding them as they don't deserve a damn cent from the US.
If you are behind in the news that's understandable. If not then there's no excuse for you to still believe in the WHO. They have ZERO IDEA what they're doing and are not credible anymore. I know its tempting for you to believe in a collectivist type organization because you like globalism and believe in that type of stuff but come on...
Blaming the WHO is silly, yet you go back to it again and again... The WHO follows the USA and CDC not the other way around.
Trump is blaming everyone and anyone - and he specifically has blamed the WHO. Trump supporters are going to repeat what their guy says, and it literally won't change regardless of how compelling an argument and what facts you bring.
Trump Follows Through on Threat to ‘Slow the Testing Down' Tim Dickinson June 25, 2020, 12:32 PM EDT
During his Tulsa rally last weekend, President Trump said the quiet part out loud, confessing that he sees coronavirus testing as a political threat and wants to diminish America’s caseload by doing a worse job of measuring it. “Testing is a double edged sword,” Trump told the sparse Oklahoma crowd. “Here’s the bad part. When you do testing…. you will find more cases. So I said to my people, ‘Slow the testing down, please.’”
After a gaslighty news cycle in which top deputies insisted that Trump was being facetious, Trump clarified, “I don’t kid,” and even expanded his thinking on Twitter: “Cases up only because of our big number testing.”
Science is not Trump’s strong suit. After a precipitous drop, the percentage of positive cases is now rising again — pointing to an increase in disease, not simply a greater availability of diagnostics. And as states like Texas that were largely spared in the initial months of the outbreak have emerged as hot spots, the United States just experienced a record for new cases, with 38,672 in a single day, surpassing a mark from late April.
The COVID Tracking Project ✔ @COVID19Tracking · 23h Replying to @COVID19Tracking Overall, the number of tests that came back positive today was 7.7%, the highest number since May 10.
The South and West are driving the numbers up. View image on Twitter
The COVID Tracking Project ✔ @COVID19Tracking The real news today is that the U.S. set a record for new cases today: 38,672.
The previous record was April 25 at 36,001. View image on Twitter
Despite — or perhaps because of — these shameful numbers, the administration is following through on Trump’s orders to slow down testing. The Department of Health and Human Services has announced it will pull funding from more than a dozen drive-through testing sites across five states, including Texas, at the end of the month.
The move has left top Democrats incensed: “The pandemic is clearly getting worse in states nationwide,” Sen. Patty Murray of Washington state, the ranking Democrat on the health committee, said in a blast to reporters, “and instead of trying harder to stop it, President Trump is apparently trying harder to hide it.”
Resources are not the issue. This move comes after Democratic senators called out the administration for failing to spend nearly $14 billion that Congress appropriated to increase testing.
Trump’s latest testing remarks build on a long history of him viewing the accurate testing of coronavirus cases as a public-relations threat. In March, when the pandemic was about to explode across America, Trump spoke at the Centers for Disease Control about his reluctance to let in infected passengers of a cruise ship because it would swell the U.S. total, which then stood at just 240 known cases. “I like the numbers being where they are,” Trump said. “I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship.”
Trump hit this theme again in May as the COVID death toll neared 75,000: “In a way, by doing all of this testing,” he said, “we make ourselves look bad.” As the controversy swirled this week, Trump insisted America has done “too good a job” in testing.
The U.S. death toll from COVID is now nearly 125,000. Ironically, 90 percent or more of that grim tally could have been avoided with effective testing. Other developed countries that minimized the impact of this pandemic relied on early, aggressive testing to guide other mitigation efforts.
Its a democratic hoax. Its like 15 people it will go down to zero. Anyone can get a test. Top doctors said I really get this I should have been a Dr. It will go away like a miracle. It will go away with warm weather Cities should liberate! Masks optional Testing needs to slow down.
trump has killed US citizens in an attempt to get re-elected
Wow, for the first time in nearly 2 months pence is going to hold a covid press conference today. I wonder if he is going to ask the CDC to come along
Maybe to say mission accomplished
and he would not say wear a mask or face coverings! Just like he would never say black lives matter. Sometimes its not what you say but what you dont say. He has an opportunity to help slow the spread and he just could not say those words. "Wear a mask or face coverings". This was a propaganda press conference he gave no information on how current circumstances are going to be addressed. And hey where was trump hiding?
Please no one tell me he said PPE. He did, but he would not say wear a mask or face coverings to help us in the crisis. Those words would help save lives
Maybe now that it's hitting Republican states harder they will get the message of what's really been going on here. It's a shame that might be what it took to wake them up though.
Maybe now that it's hitting Republican Governors harder they will get the message of what's really been going on here. It's a shame that might be what it took to wake them up though.
So, what are the hospitalization numbers doing, or the death numbers?
I ask because, obviously, the more that get tested, the more they will find that have it. Most are asymptomatic, and/or not sick enough to even go see a doctor.
The cdc said today that positives are probably 10 times higher than we know. Yet, we know the number of hospitilizations, and the number of deaths.
It will be studied. And if the latest from the cdc is correct, that current positives are probably 10 times higher than the numbers show............while we have definites on hospitilizations, and deaths.....well, you do the math.
So, what are the hospitalization numbers doing, or the death numbers?
I ask because, obviously, the more that get tested, the more they will find that have it. Most are asymptomatic, and/or not sick enough to even go see a doctor.
The cdc said today that positives are probably 10 times higher than we know. Yet, we know the number of hospitilizations, and the number of deaths.
I agree it’s hard to find the hospitalization numbers. I have an app that tracks it in nyc. That’s the only number I’m concerned with. It has been very low typical number of previous years for flu.
Hospitalization rates are soaring in many states already. The news is out there to be found. I just posted an article in the Covid thread in the EE forum.
Then you have states like Florida who simply refuse to show their hospitalization rates. You know how hiding facts can help bolster your argument.
How many are sick and how sick are they? Here’s the South Florida COVID-19 hospitalization data the state won’t show you.
I saw an article from last Friday June 20 where Florida officials were saying don’t worry about the numbers going up, it was a test dump. 9 days later still new highs every day; that must have been a big dump
And I was quite surprised this morning when trumps hhs secretary Azar said yeah the numbers have gone up this week but we are doing such a great job look where hospitalizations and deaths are this week.
I guess after 5 months they still don’t know that from this spike they are two weeks or so to peak hospitalization and unfortunately death increases after that.
I love the south and I am really worried about the lack of hospital care in rural areas.
Dow Futures look like a sea of red tomorrow. Went all cash and bonds second day both Arizona and Florida peaked. Glad I did again. I timed it almost perfect in February but waited a while to start dipping back in but I got out completely
It's getting more and more obvious who has taken a dump on handling the Covid 19 situation. I refer to them as politicians.
I don't see it that way. As a nation we can't simply shut down and hide in a hole. We have to keep working.
The problem is selfish people who can't follow the rules.
Wear a mask. Maintain reasonable space. Don't gather in groups. If you don't feel well, don't go out.
One thing I do encourage that might be a more left leaning policy...in this time, require more sick leave or pay, be it a few weeks paid to the person, or pay the business to keep paying the employee. It's hard for 80% of people to stay home a week if they aren't going to get paid. Maybe require some sort of note from a MD to discourage people from simply taking a free week off at the business or taxpayer expense.
It's getting more and more obvious who has taken a dump on handling the Covid 19 situation. I refer to them as politicians.
I don't see it that way. As a nation we can't simply shut down and hide in a hole. We have to keep working.
The problem is selfish people who can't follow the rules.
Wear a mask. Maintain reasonable space. Don't gather in groups. If you don't feel well, don't go out.
One thing I do encourage that might be a more left leaning policy...in this time, require more sick leave or pay, be it a few weeks paid to the person, or pay the business to keep paying the employee. It's hard for 80% of people to stay home a week if they aren't going to get paid. Maybe require some sort of note from a MD to discourage people from simply taking a free week off at the business or taxpayer expense.
Those selfish people you talk about is trump and his supporters. TheY are the main problem right now.
Peen it's not a one size fits all scenario here. Trump actually said this...
Trump says some Americans wear coronavirus masks ‘to signal disapproval of him’
President Donald Trump said some Americans might wear face masks not as a way to prevent the spread of coronavirus but as a way to “signal disapproval of him.”
In a wide-ranging interview with The Wall Street Journal published Thursday, Trump also said a big issue he has with masks is that people fidget with them.
“They put their finger on the mask, and they take them off, and then they start touching their eyes and touching their nose and their mouth,” he told the Journal. “And then they don’t know how they caught it?"
Trump has often been seen without a mask despite recommendations from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization that people wear them as a way to slow the spread of the virus. Scientists say the virus can spread through respiratory droplets that pass when an infected person coughs or sneezes. Studies suggest the masks may serve as a helpful barrier.
The comment by Trump came as coronavirus cases have begun to rise in nearly two dozen states since Memorial Day. Public health experts fear a slow burn of infection through the summer could lead to a massive resurgence this fall alongside the seasonal flu. Trump has frequently downplayed the virus, telling the Journal the U.S. was nearing the end of the pandemic.
There's no doubt that the nation needed to open back up. And the CDC actually set guidelines that would have made the process as safe as possible...
When cases decline for 14 straight days, begin phase one.
With 14 more days of declining cases move on to phase two and so forth.
As soon as they came out with those guidelines Trump pushed for states to open. Some states even opened with cases being reported still on the rise. It's now coming back to bite them in the ass.
When your president is telling states to ignore opening in a safe and rational manner, when he's telling the nation wearing a mask is a sign against him, how did you expect that to go?
Everyone was after the same goal. Everyone knew the economy needed to open back up. But there was a safe and responsible way to do so. Then there was the way Trump pushed for it to be done. Which was the exact opposite of that.
And his own words contribute to those "selfish people" you speak of. How selfish they appear relates heavily on who they're listening to.
Now states are beginning to roll things back in some cases. If the spike continues they will be rolling things back even further. In the end we may be further behind by rushing things than we would have been doing it the responsible way. And with fewer corpses.
So sick of science, facts, and time proving those pesky liberals to not only be smarter in general but to be right about almost everything including COVID-19 and government shut downs!
The shame of all this is a national health emergency has turned into the latest culture war.
Since when does medical advice have a left-leaning slant? How standing apart and wearing a mask to prevent one's spit and snot from landing on another's face is a signal that the wearer is The Enemy? How some militant ignoramuses have actually committed assault by purposely spitting and coughing on fellow citizens in an act of political defiance?
Chicago Pride March Draws Thousands Despite Mayor’s Coronavirus Rules
CHICAGO, ILLINOIS - JUNE 28: Thousands gathered in the streets for the Pride Without Prejudice march in Boystown on June 28, 2020 in Chicago, Illinois. Demonstrators gathered to march for LGBTQ and Black Lives as protests continue across the nation. (Photo by Natasha Moustache/Getty Im
Thousands packed the streets in Chicago for an unofficial gay pride march despite Mayor Lori Lightfoot, the first openly gay mayor, canceling the official annual event because of her worries over the coronavirus.
Organizers insisted that the rally held in the city’s West Side Lakeview neighborhood was an attempt to “reclaim” the “grassroots” efforts to push gay pride, according to ABC 7.
The gay pride parade has roots in the Windy City going back to 1972 and has taken place in the Boystown area of the city until this year, when it was canceled over the coronavirus. But the cancellation did not deter avid pride marchers, who began gathering at noon on Sunday near the CTA Belmont station in the Lakeview neighborhood.
Hundreds flocked to the march flogged by social media posts until thousands were massed in close proximity for a two-mile demonstration into Uptown.
Hey pal, the only disdain I read on this board is for the white, straight, conservative Christian male...and it comes from left-wing politics...go ahead and admit it!
Hey pal, the only disdain I read on this board is for the white, straight, conservative Christian male...and it comes from left-wing politics...go ahead and admit it!
When you see honesty as disdain it shows just how deep the issue runs.
Hey pal, the only disdain I read on this board is for the white, straight, conservative Christian male...and it comes from left-wing politics...go ahead and admit it!
When you see honesty as disdain it shows just how deep the issue runs.
Another example of how the left is losing me. All white, Christian males are bad people?
It seems to me that the left is the new right. Trash everyone who does not think exactly as you do.
Hey pal, the only disdain I read on this board is for the white, straight, conservative Christian male...and it comes from left-wing politics...go ahead and admit it!
When you see honesty as disdain it shows just how deep the issue runs.
Another example of how the left is losing me. All white, Christian males are bad people?
It seems to me that the left is the new right. Trash everyone who does not think exactly as you do.
Show me where anyone (other than Fish in claiming it in a sort of victim mindset) has actually said white christian males are bad.... anywhere, anybody, anytime. I don't think anyone has or would.
Show me where anyone (other than Fish in claiming it in a sort of victim mindset) has actually said white christian males are bad.... anywhere, anybody, anytime.
Here, Rocket, every time he posts.
Maybe not in so many words, but I'll bet if you just search "white privelage" here I'm sure you'll find the implication.
Hey pal, the only disdain I read on this board is for the white, straight, conservative Christian male...and it comes from left-wing politics...go ahead and admit it!
When you see honesty as disdain it shows just how deep the issue runs.
Another example of how the left is losing me. All white, Christian males are bad people?
It seems to me that the left is the new right. Trash everyone who does not think exactly as you do.
Show me where anyone (other than Fish in claiming it in a sort of victim mindset) has actually said white christian males are bad.... anywhere, anybody, anytime. I don't think anyone has or would.
I get that reading is hard for you, but look at Pit's reply to fish's assertion.
Hey pal, the only disdain I read on this board is for the white, straight, conservative Christian male...and it comes from left-wing politics...go ahead and admit it!
Hey pal, the only disdain I read on this board is for the white, straight, conservative Christian male...and it comes from left-wing politics...go ahead and admit it!
When you see honesty as disdain it shows just how deep the issue runs.
Another example of how the left is losing me. All white, Christian males are bad people?
It seems to me that the left is the new right. Trash everyone who does not think exactly as you do.
I know you have disdain for fighting fire with fire. The "when they go low we go high" method has failed. So I'm going to fight fire with fire. I don't really give a damn what you think about it. Just in case you missed that.
Responsible for more dead American’s then WW1, Afghan war and Desert Storm put together. Dead first responders! Dead American’s! Dead American soldiers to Russian bounty money! While trump and his supporters seem to be cheering for Putin‘s new term limits until 2030+. Putin becomes more powerful by the day. Enjoy.
GOP congressman calls on White House to disband coronavirus task force
Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) on Thursday called for the White House to dissolve its coronavirus task force so that health officials like Anthony Fauci and Deborah Birx are prevented from contradicting many of President Trump’s "stated goals and actions" when it comes to the economy.
Why it matters: Maricopa County, part of which Biggs represents, has seen record-breaking spikes in coronavirus cases recently, with more than 52,000 total cases and 817 deaths — the highest in the state.
Fauci, the nation's top infectious diseases expert, warned in congressional testimony this week that he would "not be surprised" if the U.S. begins reporting as many as 100,000 new coronavirus cases per day. "I'm very concerned and not satisfied with what's going on because we're going in the wrong direction," Fauci testified.
What they're saying:
"As our economy is restored, it is imperative that President Trump is not undermined in his mission to return our economy to greatness. Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx continue to contradict many of President Trump’s stated goals and actions for returning to normalcy as we know more about the COVID-19 outbreak."
This is causing panic that compromises our economic recovery. We can protect our most vulnerable from the COVID-19 outbreak while still protecting lives and livelihoods of the rest of the population. It’s time for the COVID-19 task force to be disbanded so that President Trump’s message is not mitigated or distorted.”
— Rep. Andy Biggs
The big picture: New applications for unemployment remain historically high, even as weekly jobless claims continue to slowly level off. Many economists fear that the recovery will be stunted if coronavirus cases continue to skyrocket.
While we are disbanding the virus task force so that it won't contradict Trump,,, why don't we do away with Bathroom scales so we can eliminate obesity.....
What a bunch of Morons Republicans have turned into.... Dumber than a box of rocks...
On a side note, there will be no further need for abortions because we will eliminate all pregnancy testing.....
While it's easy to blame Trump, it's also a reflection on the public. Feel free to blame him, but don't only blame him.
Information is out there.
While I don't think masks are a bad idea, I think people worry too much about them to the exclusion of other things.
The "let's take a group selfie while leaning in on each other in masks" or the "let me get in your face to yell at you for not wearing a mask" or the "let's pack together in a giant protest/rally" crowd.
The masks are a supplement to social distancing, not a replacement. link
The fact that we're a relatively unhealthy population to begin with doesn't help. Obesity, diabetes, and hypertension are prevalent. Research shows a correlation between these and negative Covid outcomes. link Our diets/food systems, (sedentary) lifestyles, environments, etc are often problematic.
Yes he is guilty. Yes some of his crew is guilty? Many congressmen/congresswomen are guilty. Many Senators are guilty. Many mayors are guilty. Many preachers are guilty. many fathers are guilty. Many mothers are guilty. Many children are guilty.
Anybody not staying home if they have symptoms is guilty. Anybody not social distancing is guilty. Anybody not wearing a mask in public is guilty.
Yes he is guilty. Yes some of his crew is guilty? Many congressmen/congresswomen are guilty. Many Senators are guilty. Many mayors are guilty. Many preachers are guilty. many fathers are guilty. Many mothers are guilty. Many children are guilty.
Anybody not staying home if they have symptoms is guilty. Anybody not social distancing is guilty. Anybody not wearing a mask in public is guilty.
None of those others are POTUS. Trump could have handled it all so much better. Failure.
Yes he is guilty. Yes some of his crew is guilty? Many congressmen/congresswomen are guilty. Many Senators are guilty. Many mayors are guilty. Many preachers are guilty. many fathers are guilty. Many mothers are guilty. Many children are guilty.
Anybody not staying home if they have symptoms is guilty. Anybody not social distancing is guilty. Anybody not wearing a mask in public is guilty.
None of those others are POTUS. Trump could have handled it all so much better. Failure.
Maybe, maybe not.
I do understand you don't like the President, so I get the feeling that no matter what choices he made weren't going to be correct.
His own task force gave the reopening phase one plan.
14 days with cases going down and you begin to reopen phase one.
After 14 more days with cases going down, you continue to phase two and so on.
Because anyone with a brain knows we have lot of stupid people out there. You know the "I won't wear a mask cause ah my freedoms! Murica!". And of course young people which for the most part have always had more than their fair share of stupidity. That really hasn't changed much for generations.
That's why the saying "Move out of the house when you're 16 and still know everything" came from.
So the guidelines were set by results. Trump pushed Republican governors to ignore the very guidelines set up by his very own task force. You know, people who are actually experts in the field of such viruses.
To this very day he is in denial about how badly the virus is spreading. To this day he claims it's "just going to disappear". He has up until just a day ago refused to recommend people even wear masks.
Yet you sit back and excuse all of that. You give him a free pass. If one of your own children had acted the way he does while they were growing up you would have called them on the carpet and made them act better.
And all you have for Trump are excuses.
Don't get me wrong, it's not like he deserves all of the blame. But he certainly deserves his fair share.
I blame the dumb ass simpletons that infest this country.
A matter of perspective.
He encourages them. I blame him for that. CDC gave guidelines and the next day he told Democratic states to liberate themselves. He ignores mask recommendations that encourages his supporters to do the same. He has caused the death of american citizens by his lack of leadership and contradicting professional recommendations that could help save lives. problem.
Disclaimer: This post may make me sound like a quack
The greatest mis-characterization and ignoring of the facts, in the case of COVID-19 is the ignoring in the media of the scientific evidence that this virus came from a lab in China as a result of research that was partially funded by the NIH and wholly blessed by the Trump administration.
I know that this sounds like something from a movie that only a conspiracy nut would believe, but I spent a good part of my early career analyzing amino acid sequences of proteins and have some sense of how likely certain mutations are to occur in the wild over time. When I see the analysis of the protein sequences adn the circumstantial evidence that has been collected, it seems to me that this was undeniably a man-made virus that was produce from what they are calling "gain-of-function" research.
Reading through all of the overwhelming circumstantial evidence on this can be exhausting, so I won't go into detail, but if you are interested you should check out this article here and this one here.
The reason that the public needs to be aware of this going on is because COVID-19 may just be the canary in the coal mine. Gain-of-function research could eventually produce something far worse. COVID-19 is going to kill 2 million people. Imagine something that could kill over 50% of the population.
The danger of gain-of-function research was realized by the scientific community. It was banned by the Obama administration and if you look up videos on gain-of-function, you will find a lot of scientific debates from around 2015 on the subject. China and other countries continued to perform this research (some of the research on Coronaviruses was directly funded by the NIH according to numerous sources) and in 2017 Trump lifted the ban in the U.S. In 2017 Trump lifted the ban in the U.S., and that is unfortunate because acknowledging that this was lab made means that our government officials would also have to acknowledge their own bad decisions in allowing this research and funding it.
People need to start talking about this and not in a Democrat vs Republican sort of way, because failure to tackle this problem head on means that we could eventually be faced with a pandemic that will threaten billions of lives, not just millions.
White House praises study that says patients given hydroxychloroquine were 50% less likely to die of COVID-19 calling it 'fantastic news' - after Trump was criticized for touting drug
Yes I am. A larger conclusive study by the national institute of heath has been conducted to debunk this already. Another study made a huge warning about it concerning the impact it has on the heart.
So yes, since these things have already been debunked, I'm going with an expert body in this nation over some independent study.
You should look at the study. This wasn't some podunk run bs. It involved a sizeable test group at Henry Ford Hospital. It was peer reviewed and published in a recognized medical journal. (to dumb it down for you, that means it has some legitimacy).
There have been some questions about how this study was conducted and how the patients were not randomly selected.
Study finds hydroxychloroquine may have boosted survival, but other researchers have doubts By Maggie Fox, Andrea Kane, and Elizabeth Cohen, CNN Updated 1:31 PM ET, Fri July 3, 2020
A surprising new study found the controversial antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine helped patients better survive in the hospital. But the findings, like the federal government's use of the drug itself, were disputed.
A team at Henry Ford Health System in southeast Michigan said Thursday their study of 2,541 hospitalized patients found that those given hydroxychloroquine were much less likely to die.
Dr. Marcus Zervos, division head of infectious disease for Henry Ford Health System, said 26% of those not given hydroxychloroquine died, compared to 13% of those who got the drug. The team looked back at everyone treated in the hospital system since the first patient in March.
"Overall crude mortality rates were 18.1% in the entire cohort, 13.5% in the hydroxychloroquine alone group, 20.1% among those receiving hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin, 22.4% among the azithromycin alone group, and 26.4% for neither drug," the team wrote in a report published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases.
It's a surprising finding because several other studies have found no benefit from hydroxychloroquine, a drug originally developed to treat and prevent malaria. President Donald Trump touted the drug heavily, but later studies found not only did patients not do better if they got the drug, they were more likely to suffer cardiac side effects.
The US Food and Drug Administration withdrew its emergency use authorization for the drug earlier this month and trials around the world, including trials sponsored by the World Health Organization and the National Institutes of Health, were halted. Researchers not involved in the Henry Ford study pointed out it wasn't of the same quality of the studies showing hydroxychloroquine did not help patients, and said other treatments, such as the use of the steroid dexamethasone, might have accounted for the better survival of some patients. "Our results do differ from some other studies," Zervos told a news conference. "What we think was important in ours ... is that patients were treated early. For hydroxychloroquine to have a benefit, it needs to begin before the patients begin to suffer some of the severe immune reactions that patients can have with Covid," he added.
The Henry Ford team also monitored patients carefully for heart problems, he said.
"The combination of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin was reserved for selected patients with severe COVID-19 and with minimal cardiac risk factors," the team wrote.
The Henry Ford team said they believe their findings show hydroxychloroquine could be potentially useful as a treatment for coronavirus.
"It's important to note that in the right settings, this potentially could be a lifesaver for patients," Dr. Steven Kalkanis, CEO of the Henry Ford Medical Group, said at the news conference.
Kalkanis said that their findings do not necessarily contradict those of earlier studies. "We also want to make the point that just because our results differ from some others that may have been published, it doesn't make those studies wrong or definitely a conflict. What it simply means is that by looking at the nuanced data of which patients actually benefited and when, we might be able to further unlock the code of how this disease works," he said.
"Much more work needs to be done to elucidate what the final treatment plan should be for Covid-19," Kalkanis added. "But we feel ... that these are critically important results to add to the mix of how we move forward if there's a second surge, and in relevant other parts of the world. Now we can help people combat this disease and to reduce the mortality rate."
Zervos said hydroxychloroquine can help interfere with the virus directly and also reduces inflammation.
Researchers not involved with the study were critical. They noted that the Henry Ford team did not randomly treat patients but selected them for various treatments based on certain criteria.
"As the Henry Ford Health System became more experienced in treating patients with COVID-19, survival may have improved, regardless of the use of specific therapies," Dr. Todd Lee of the Royal Victoria Hospital in Montreal, Canada, and colleagues wrote in a commentary in the same journal.
"Finally, concomitant steroid use in patients receiving hydroxychloroquine was more than double the non-treated group. This is relevant considering the recent RECOVERY trial that showed a mortality benefit with dexamethasone." The steroid dexamethasone can reduce inflammation in seriously ill patients.
The Henry Ford team wrote that 82% of their patients received hydroxychloroquine within the first 24 hours of admission, and 91% within the first 48 hours of admission. They wrote that in comparison, a study of patients at 25 New York hospitals started taking the drug "at any time during their hospitalization."
But patients in that New York study, published in May in the Journal of the American Medical Association, started taking hydroxychloroquine on average one day after being hospitalized.
"Maybe there's a little bit of a difference, but it's not like patients in New York were being started on day seven. That's not what happened," said Eli Rosenberg, lead author of the New York study and an associate professor of epidemiology at the University at Albany School of Public Health.
Rosenberg also pointed out that the Detroit paper excluded 267 patients -- nearly 10% of the study population -- who had not yet been discharged from the hospital. He said this might have skewed the results to make hydroxychloroquine look better than it really was. Those patients might have still been in the hospital because they were very sick, and if they died, excluding them from the study made hydroxychloroquine look like more of a lifesaver than it really was.
"There's a little bit of loosey-goosiness here in all this," he told CNN.
Both the Detroit and New York studies were observational: they looked back at how patients did when doctors prescribed hydroxychloroquine.
While helpful, observational studies are not as valuable as controlled clinical trials. Considered the gold standard in medicine, patients in a clinical trial are randomly assigned to take either the drug or a placebo, which is a treatment that does nothing. Doctors then follow the patients to see how they fare.
Two clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19, one in the US and one in the UK, were stopped early because their data suggested hydroxychloroquine wasn't helpful.
The US trial, run by the National Institutes of Health, enrolled more than 470 patients.
The UK trial, run by the University of Oxford, enrolled more than 11,000 patients.
"We have concluded that there is no beneficial effect of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalized with COVID-19," the Oxford doctors concluded.
But a White House official praised the Henry Ford team's study.
Peter Navarro, the White House trade adviser, said the study shows hydroxychloroquine works if given early enough.
"This is a big deal," he told CNN. "This medicine can literally save tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of American lives and maybe millions of people worldwide."
Yes I am. A larger conclusive study by the national institute of heath has been conducted to debunk this already. Another study made a huge warning about it concerning the impact it has on the heart.
So yes, since these things have already been debunked, I'm going with an expert body in this nation over some independent study.
Big pharma & Bill Gates want to vaccinate everyone. That's where the money is. Anything readily available makes much less of a profit for them.
Personally, I'm not worried about the coronavirus at all. Is it more deadly than the flu? Yes. But unless you are obese, sickly or elderly - or all three, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Most of what you see is media hysteria. On a larger scale it's a prelude to a new world order. As an example of that who ever thought a year ago we'd now have businesses closing down for months on end, social distancing and wear masks? No one.
Interesting, though I'm sure CNN would do anything in their power to discredit this study. What I also find interesting is that someone would like your post. Are they seriously happy to find possible holes in a study that shows promise in treating COVID?
I enjoy science and fact finding. Truth>Misleading studies.
I want a cure as bad as anyone else. I also want us to take out time to find the right way to battle this rather than people pulling out jump to conclusion mats. An overwhelming body of science has shown HCL to be anything but effective.
We also had studies in the past that linked autism to vaccines. That got through peer review and was retracted years later.
The scientific method calls for results to be able to reproduced. HCL has yet to find many studies that reproduce findings without gaming the statistics.
Sad discussion like this falls under "politics" when it's the actual truth.
People who are healthy without preexisting conditions are coming down with long lasting lung damage that may not heal.
If you're actually worried about it and can afford to then please, stay home. Personally I'd rather work and live my life then believe the MSM hype, but that's just me.
You think the coronavirus is bad? You ain't seen nothin' yet:
Revelation 6:7-8 ESV:
When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” And I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And its rider's name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.
People who are healthy without preexisting conditions are coming down with long lasting lung damage that may not heal.
If you're actually worried about it and can afford to then please, stay home. Personally I'd rather work and live my life then believe the MSM hype, but that's just me.
You think the coronavirus is bad? You ain't seen nothin' yet:
Revelation 6:7-8 ESV:
When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” And I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And its rider's name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.
Stuff like ^that^ worries me. Coronavirus? Not.
-Have a safe remaining 4th.
This is exactly why this virus is going to do much more damage to our population than is necessary. People like this are what worry people with an ounce of sense and compassion for their fellow humans.
This is exactly why this virus is going to do much more damage to our population than is necessary. People like this are what worry people with an ounce of sense and compassion for their fellow humans.
People who are healthy without preexisting conditions are coming down with long lasting lung damage that may not heal.
If you're actually worried about it and can afford to then please, stay home. Personally I'd rather work and live my life then believe the MSM hype, but that's just me.
You think the coronavirus is bad? You ain't seen nothin' yet:
Revelation 6:7-8 ESV:
When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” And I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And its rider's name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.
Stuff like ^that^ worries me. Coronavirus? Not.
-Have a safe remaining 4th.
This is exactly why this virus is going to do much more damage to our population than is necessary. People like this are what worry people with an ounce of sense and compassion for their fellow humans.
I am not really worried about the virus. As a Christian, I believe worse will be coming. My church also tells me to help carry your burden. I will wear a mask and social distance for others. My job is to love others as I am loved. Put their needs before my own.
I am not really worried about the virus. As a Christian, I believe worse will be coming. My church also tells me to help carry your burden. I will wear a mask and social distance for others. My job is to love others as I am loved. Put their needs before my own. [/quote]
You are a rare (and most welcome) 'bird'. If more were like you, this pandemic would have been put to bed a while ago...
Of course in your haste to attack you missed his quote I was responding to from jfan...
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You should look at the study. This wasn't some podunk run bs. It involved a sizeable test group at Henry Ford Hospital. It was peer reviewed and published in a recognized medical journal. (to dumb it down for you, that means it has some legitimacy).
Try again. A little more effort may need to be provided.
You should look at the study. This wasn't some podunk run bs. It involved a sizeable test group at Henry Ford Hospital. It was peer reviewed and published in a recognized medical journal. (to dumb it down for you, that means it has some legitimacy).
And Vers talks about there being a "gang" on this board.
Now...130,000 dead Americans on trumps watch. Sad to hear some aren’t concerned. Yeah trump and his supporters are all in....this is 99% harmless ..... 130,000 deaths and untold hospitalizations out of 3mil cases. Not 99% harmless. Pffft trump.
Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has tested positive for Covid-19, following months of downplaying the virus. Bolsonaro himself announced the result, speaking on Brazilian TV channels Tuesday. "Everyone knew that it would reach a considerable part of the population sooner or later. It was positive for me," he said, referring to the Covid-19 test he took Monday.
In Florida, 43 hospital ICU’s in 21 counties have hit capacity and show zero ICU beds available, according to data released by the Agency for Health Care Administration (AHCA). This includes hospitals in the following counties:
Miami-Dade (which includes the city of Miami) Broward (which includes Fort Lauderdale) Hillsborough (which includes Tampa) Orange (which includes Orlando) Another 32 hospitals show ICU bed availability of 10% or less, per the AHCA data.
In addition, 14 hospitals have hit capacity of non-ICU hospital beds and another 54 hospitals have 10% or less non-ICU hospital beds available.
Just one word on ICU beds. We have some nurses on the board. Maybe they can chime in...
Even in a large medical center, ICU beds are limited, and they don't go unoccupied. If they were, hospitals wouldn't have as many. It's expensive to maintain a ICU. I don't know the standards, maybe a nurse for every 2-3 beds? Maybe 4 beds?
The talk is how COVID patients are overwhelming the system, but the reality is there are many more patients who are in there for other reasons. We have to keep some balance here. It's not like every bed is filled with a COVID patient. People still get shot, have auto accidents, smoked 3 packs a day for 35 years and now can't breath, have heart attacks, whatever.
Just one word on ICU beds. We have some nurses on the board. Maybe they can chime in...
Even in a large medical center, ICU beds are limited, and they don't go unoccupied. If they were, hospitals wouldn't have as many. It's expensive to maintain a ICU. I don't know the standards, maybe a nurse for every 2-3 beds? Maybe 4 beds?
The talk is how COVID patients are overwhelming the system, but the reality is there are many more patients who are in there for other reasons. We have to keep some balance here. It's not like every bed is filled with a COVID patient. People still get shot, have auto accidents, smoked 3 packs a day for 35 years and now can't breath, have heart attacks, whatever.
They had the head of the local hospital "corporation?" on the news this past weekend, and he talked about ICU beds, and currently in Lee County where I am at, that they are at 80-90% capacity for ICU beds, which he says is typical for this time of year. And that they have procedures in place to turn regular beds into ICU beds to increase it by another 10%.
We have another hospital group in the area as in Collier County, as well as a Cleveland Clinic, and they were reporting the same things.
Current active nurses who are members of this board are probably too busy to reply or sleeping. But that’s just a guess.
No doubt I wake earlier than most. Seems that Portland is a nurse. Maybe I am wrong. He posts on a regular basis.
Are you my shadow this morning?
I am just trying to have a conversation here. Not trying to be confrontational. If you have something germane to the discussion, I welcome your thoughts.
Facts are political. trump refusing to wear a mask and his response to the virus have cost thousands of lives.
Think about "if" trump from the beginning would have set the example by wearing a mask. "What if" he would have tried to unite the country in an effort to combat this virus. "What if" he would have tried to work with state and local governments in a campaign to stop the virus.
No. None of that happened. So what we have is thousands of Americans have died because it did not happen.
Now trump's message is "we will not close down" "we must open the schools." Then he says that not opening the schools is some kind of political statement.
Effing really? After all that has happened. Looking at where we are now with this virus and are blind leadership.
If anyone listens and then believes this moron. They are standing in line to be lied too and liking it.
This lowlife should be thrown out of office like a doctor committing malpractice.
I can’t really speak to ICU beds. I’m not a hospital nurse. I have friends that are but not ICU either. I have worked a few shifts in ICU back in the day. I was assigned 1 or 2 patients only. Busy busy nights even with such a small case load. I don’t miss ICU work. As to my availability to post here. I post regularly some days because I have breaks in between patients. Sometimes I come home and shower between seeing clients. This gives me small windows to check in and read some of the insanity that is this board. Lol. All I know is that I wouldn’t want to be in a car accident, or have a heart attack, or generally need an ICU bed right now... or for the foreseeable future. Maybe there’s an open bed... maybe it’s next to someone with COVID. Mask up. Keep distance. Be safe. Avoid the need for the ICU trip.
so nobody wants to talk about the fact that we got corporations laying off employees, even after receiving all that bail out money?
i said it before, 80% of all the money that went toward bailout efforts shouldve went to individual americans over businesses. it wouldve put in us in much better shape than we're in now.
how in gods name can anybody defend the fact that this economy is 2/3rd consumer spending, yet the government somehow gives the bulk of money to the supply side instead of the FREAKING CONSUMER?
im tired of conservatives and their socialist policies for the royalty class here in america. they cant wait to screw you and themselves over, in the name of owning the libs.
I'll talk to you about it. I agree. And now they will probably have to bail out regular people again with extended unemployment, probably something to help keep the evictions down, maybe food (SNAP) aid and another stimulus check before the end of July or the economy will tank next month and a lot of people will be hurting.
I fully expect another 2-3 trillion dollar package. Dems are pushing for it and republicans are now talking about it being needed. They waited as long as I think they can to address it, next month will be too late by the time the funds roll out.
AND I still haven't got my first damn stimulus check. It's a good thing my work has been steady or we'd be hurting too. My wife's job was paying her a $2 an hour covid essential worker bonus and they ended that at the end of June. So we've been lucky enough to not really feel the financial pain to this point. The company she works for usually ships orders in 2-3 days, they are now shipping in 5-6 weeks because they can't keep up with orders and have delays getting materials. By the end of July they will have sold as much as they sold all last year. And the company makes vinyl fence, but because they are an Amazon seller they qualified as an essential business or they would have been closed during the shut down too. Imagine how much they would have lost.
Her boss is a really good guy and treats his employees very well (as far as bosses go) but I am a little worried that if we start closing things down again, he might stop taking orders temporarily to get caught up with production. A couple weeks or a month of her being off would hurt... I'd sure as hell like to avoid taking that hit.
so nobody wants to talk about the fact that we got corporations laying off employees, even after receiving all that bail out money?
i said it before, 80% of all the money that went toward bailout efforts shouldve went to individual americans over businesses. it wouldve put in us in much better shape than we're in now.
how in gods name can anybody defend the fact that this economy is 2/3rd consumer spending, yet the government somehow gives the bulk of money to the supply side instead of the FREAKING CONSUMER?
im tired of conservatives and their socialist policies for the royalty class here in america. they cant wait to screw you and themselves over, in the name of owning the libs.
ProPublica is the left's biggest muckraker you never heard of
by Ron Arnold
August 11, 2011
An obscure nonprofit investigative newsroom's editor in chief is paid $585,117 a year and the group gives away its online stories for publication by big-time "partners," including the New York Times, ABC World News, Salon.com and Associated Press. The 32 highly paid reporters seem to investigate only things liberals don't like. The newsroom claims to work only "in the public interest" and to focus exclusively on stories with "moral force."
Don't bother asking "which public" or "whose morals." You're in a left-wing alternate universe 23 floors up in a New York City office building -- the headquarters of ProPublica Inc.
That's the muckraking brainchild of Herb and Marion Sandler, billionaire former mortgage bankers whose Golden West Financial Corp. allegedly targeted subprime borrowers with "pick-a-pay" mortgages that left negative-amortization dupes owing more after each payment.
These toxic assets were largely blamed for the collapse of Wachovia, which had the misfortune of buying Golden West in 2006 -- just before the subprime mortgage meltdown -- and was forced into a takeover by Wells Fargo two years later amid federal investigations of fraud. Recommended For You 'F---, this is actually happening': Book reveals how Robert Mueller was briefed about Russia investigation
The Sandlers came away from the Wachovia debacle without accusations of wrongdoing and with about $2.4 billion, of which $1.3 billion went into their family foundation, which in turn has pledged $10 million a year to fund ProPublica.
George Soros gave $250,000 in 2010, and his Open Society Institute's former vice president, Gara Lamarche, joined the board of directors, replacing Pew Charitable Trusts President Rebecca Rimel.
The Sandlers are relentlessly partisan, giving millions to the Democratic Party and its allies: $2.5 million to the MoveOn.org Voter Fund, $8.5 million to Citizens for a Strong Senate, and $2 million to the Center for American Progress, liberal think-tank of John Podesta, who led President-elect Barack Obama's transition team in 2008.
These wealthy Democratic partisans pay Paul Steiger, former managing editor of the Wall Street Journal, over half a million dollars to run ProPublica. Steiger maintains he is independent and nonpartisan.
He told "PBS NewsHour" that he accepted the job only after he asked Herb Sandler, "Suppose we did an expose of some of the left-leaning organizations that you have supported?"
When Sandler said, "No problem," Steiger took the money -- and the titles of president and editor in chief as well as a seat on ProPublica's board of directors. But so far Sandler, chairman of the board, had nothing to worry about.
ProPublica's website shows no investigation of MoveOn.org or its Voter Fund or of Podesta's Center for American Progress, or, for that matter, of any other left leaning organization that the Sandlers have supported.
Steiger has said that his history has been doing "down the middle" reporting. One wonders, the middle of what?
ProPublica's investigations include "The Gulf oil spill" (208 stories); "How industry money reaches doctors" (26 stories); "Civilian contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan" (35 stories); "The Wall Street money machine" (28 stories); and "Fracking: Gas drilling's environmental threat" (122 stories).
OK, it's biased. Is it accurate? Dave Kopel, research director at Colorado's Independence Institute, doesn't think so. He checked out ProPublica's assertions about natural gas hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, "suspected of causing hundreds of cases of water contamination."
Colorado and New Mexico officials supposedly "documented more than 1,000 cases where water was contaminated by drilling activities." Kopel called the officials. New Mexico had no fracking cases. Colorado didn't compile fracking numbers.
Kopel concluded that ProPublica cited data about contamination from every drilling-related activity in a story only about fracking.
"ProPublica" is a Latin-sounding coinage intended to mean "for the public," but scholars note that the "a" ending makes it a feminine noun, literally meaning "for the public woman."
so nobody wants to talk about the fact that we got corporations laying off employees, even after receiving all that bail out money?
i said it before, 80% of all the money that went toward bailout efforts shouldve went to individual americans over businesses. it wouldve put in us in much better shape than we're in now.
how in gods name can anybody defend the fact that this economy is 2/3rd consumer spending, yet the government somehow gives the bulk of money to the supply side instead of the FREAKING CONSUMER?
im tired of conservatives and their socialist policies for the royalty class here in america. they cant wait to screw you and themselves over, in the name of owning the libs.
Conservatives were the first to say. “We’re in this together.” That’s like the Browns management saying “we’re giving the head coach 5 years to turn this around.”
