Wondered how many posters are believers in this - and what the compelling argument for it would be?

What is it?

A political movement or belief that some on the Right are embracing. Trump has promoted or hinted at promoting it's content on social media.

Basically a group who emerged from 4chan and 8chan.

Someone claimed they were an inside agent that was working to bring down the deep state pedophile cabal, and that Donald Trump was going to lead the effort.

They’re the loons behind pizzagate, the armed assault at comet pizza, and endorse all policies by Trump as they believe they are designed to bring down a pedophile deepstate.

Places like Breitbart and those rags cape for QAnon bile. There’s been numerous imbeciles running for public office who identify themselves as part of QAnon. Former liar to the FBI Flynn recently pledged public support over the summer for the group.

I don't anything about QAnon, but I do know that for many years there was always a feeling of their being a low ceiling on combating sex trafficking, especially the pedophilia related trafficking, because there were enough high up powerful people engaged in that sort of thing that had the resources to put a lid on any investigation that might head their way.

Now with what's coming to light surrounding Epstein and the people who have or are suspected to have taken part.... I don't think anyone can poo poo the idea of a pedophile cabal any longer.

As far as the deep state part? Eric Weinstein who may be known as a mathematics theorist isn't known as a conspiracy theorist. Given how connected Epstein was, he's been asking if there were ties between he and U.S. Intelligence. As of yet there hasn't been any confirmation, but neither has there been any denial.

Basically a dangerous fascist/racist right wing political faction spreading misinformation and getting people killed and kidnaped and such. Something only trump supporters will support.



Two soldiers meeting Pence on a tarmac
US Vice-President Mike Pence with members of the Broward County, Florida SWAT team on November 30, 2018; the man at the left of the image is displaying a red and black "Q" patch used by believers of the QAnon conspiracy theory. The photo was tweeted, removed, and then substituted in Pence's feed.
A zoom in on one soldier's uniform that has a patch with a black "Q" on a red background, and another that is a black field with an axe and scythe crossed over one another
Detail from photo showing the QAnon patch. The black-and white patch to the left has been reported to be that of the SWAT team. Regulations forbid wearing either patch, and the deputy was reprimanded and removed from the SWAT team as a result.[1]
QAnon[a] (/kjuːəˈnɒn/) is a far-right conspiracy theory[7][8] detailing a supposed secret plot by an alleged "deep state" against President Donald Trump and his supporters.[9] The theory began with an October 2017 post on the anonymous imageboard 4chan by "Q", who was presumably an American individual,[10] but probably became a group of people.[11][12] Q claimed to have access to classified information involving the Trump administration and its opponents in the United States. Analysis by NBC News found that three people took the original Q post and expanded it across multiple media platforms to build internet followings for profit. QAnon was preceded by several similar anonymous 4chan posters such as FBIAnon, HLIAnon (high level insider), CIAAnon, and WH Insider Anon.[13]

Q has accused many liberal Hollywood actors, Democratic politicians, and high-ranking officials of being members of an international child sex trafficking ring. Q also claimed that Donald Trump feigned collusion with Russians to enlist Robert Mueller to join him in exposing the ring and preventing a coup d'état by Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and George Soros.[14][15][16] "Q" is a reference to the Q clearance used by the U.S. Department of Energy. QAnon believers commonly tag their social media posts with the hashtag #WWG1WGA, signifying the motto "Where We Go One, We Go All".

QAnon adherents began appearing at Trump re-election campaign rallies during the summer of 2018.[17] TV and radio personality Michael "Lionel" Lebron, a promoter of the theory, was granted a photo opportunity with President Trump in the Oval Office on August 24, 2018.[18] Bill Mitchell, a broadcaster who promotes QAnon, attended a White House "social media summit" in July 2019.[8][19]

At an August 2019 rally, a man warming up the crowd before President Trump spoke used the QAnon motto "where we go one, we go all," later denying that it was a QAnon reference. This occurred hours after the publication of a report stating that the FBI determined QAnon to be a potential source of domestic terrorism, the first time that a fringe conspiracy theory had been so rated by the agency.[20][21] The number of QAnon adherents was unclear, but they had a large presence on social media, particularly Twitter. A Facebook internal analysis reported in August found millions of followers in thousands of groups and pages. Followers had also migrated to dedicated message boards such as Endchan and 8kun, where they organized to wage information warfare to influence the 2020 elections.[22][23] On June 24, 2020, Q exhorted followers to take a "digital soldiers oath," and many did using the Twitter hashtag #TakeTheOath.[24] In July 2020, Twitter banned thousands of QAnon-affiliated accounts and changed its algorithms to reduce the spread of the conspiracy theory.[25]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

Some info for you all. Just some stories and info that may enlighten you to QAnon. Basically a Right Wing conspiracy theory site,,, if it's odd and goes against anything left, you'll find it here. some really crazy stuff.. enjoy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon


Fun one.... 40 will love this one

https://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/bandy_qanon/

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/3/6/18253505/amazon-qanon-book-best-seller-algorithm-conspiracy

Just some light reading for ya

https://www.wired.com/story/opinion-the-dark-virality-of-a-hollywood-blood-harvesting-conspiracy/

Now that there is an official PP thread, let's here all the obvious Qanon members of the board deny they know anything about this or are part of it after some of the crap they have posted...

Man you all shouldnt be so gullible.

4chan is where 12 year old boys see porn for the first time. Thats all that site is. A bunch of teen incels.

This is nothing but a scam and yall buying into it.

Just proves how people will believe anything if it fits their beliefs.

I'm am rolling my eyes so hard I can see my brain.

I guess you haven't seen all the Q's at Trump's rallies for the last few years. Although I agree you have to be childlike to believe this Q crap, but the "movement" is really a thing.

They are the boogeymen in your head.

Why is it that I'm stoned but you are the one that sounds stoned?

I'd guess if you are stoned then everyone sounds stoned.

Come back later.

It's later and yep, that's how your posts read.

Glad to know you feel threatened by a "movement" of 12 year old boys.

Except it's not

Like this man who endangered his family.

Do you understand this involves the dregs of society? Stop giving them attention and they will go away.

Everytime you give them attention you validate their cause.

You claimed they were twelve year olds. I refuted your claims with facts.

Own that you were wrong, Eve.

So BLM is a huge political problem - but Qanon isn't?

Qanon is going to have representatives who openly support them in the Senate - but they are bogeymen? BLM has a couple of whackadoodles who say really dumb stuff as private individuals and they are the huge threat that has you and others so sacred. Got it

Where in the hell do you get this? Geez Eve!

Why do y’all keep entertaining this gullible ass person?

Eve is acting like a QAnon member didn’t JUST win a republican primary in her state.

Y’all keep falling for the same stupid ass tricks these conservatives like to play.

Y’all know damn well they love playing stupid. Stop feeding into it.

I’d argue they’re not ‘playing’ stupid...

Unfortunately based on the evidence around here, you might be right.

Qanon is just as big of threat as Black Hebrew Israelites.

How many black Israelites have won a primary?

Two Q supporters have won republican primaries.

Exactly how the tea party, birtherism, and a Trump presidency happened... Don't ignore what the nutjobs are doing on the right!

You have their membership cards? Just because they like a post on Instagram, I wouldn't neccessarily call them a "supporter." Hard to be "member" of a group that isn't really a group....more a set of conspiracy theories. Wait, where have I heard that argument before?

If that was the case, then does that make Ilhan Omar a supporter of the Nation of Islam, since its leader has defended her multiple times?

As for how many Black Hebrew Nationalists supporters are in the government? I don't know how many hold those beliefs. But then again, I didn't know Nick Cannon supported them until a month ago, so.......


How many celebrities and athletes have said they support Qanon in the last 6 months? Because I can name a handful that have support Black Hebrew Nationalists.

Is that enough crazy for you?

Just to be clear, I’ve been public on this board with my disdain for for BHI.

But to claim that ideology is just as dangerous as actual members winning government primaries is ignorant.

Have any of yall ever been on 4 chan? Its a sad state of affairs if any adult acts like that.

Its kind of hilarious that the alt left extremists are hysterical about a movement created by 12 year old boys.

Mmmm hmmm.

We Analyzed More Than 1 Million Comments on 4chan. Hate Speech There Has Spiked by 40% Since 2015.

Violent threats against minorities have also proliferated on the anonymous message board.

On 4chan you'll find anime, porn, and sports chatter. You'll also find an endless stream of racist threats, stomach-churning memes, and misogynistic vitriol — and it’s getting worse, according to a VICE analysis of more than 1 million comments on one of the site’s most popular message boards.

On the heavily trafficked “politically incorrect” board, slurs against racial, ethnic, religious, or sexual or gender minorities have increased by 40% since 2015, while neo-Nazi propaganda has proliferated. And users on the forum are increasingly making violent threats against minority groups: Comments that include both hate speech and violent language have increased by 25% over the same period.

After a wave of recent attacks by white nationalists across the world, social media platforms have begun cracking down on hate speech. But anonymous online forums like 4chan — a comment board designed to facilitate discussions between users posting threads of text, images, and memes — have remained a toxic, anonymous mixture of hate, bigotry, and misogyny, and have given violent extremists a kind of digital safe space.

Perpetrators of recent far-right terrorist attacks have been connected to similar forums. The shooter in the March massacre in Christchurch, New Zealand, had spent time on 8chan, one of 4chan's even more vitriolic offshoots. In his racist manifesto, he used coded white nationalist language found on both platforms. A man who attacked a synagogue in Poway, California, in April, also spent time on 8chan. Both wrote on message boards about their deadly plans and were encouraged by users there to carry them out.

4chan is still the most popular English-language type of imageboard site, attracting about 20 million monthly visitors — comparable to the volume of traffic at a major news site. Users developed 8chan and neinchan, more radical variants of the original, in response to perceived censorship. They’re smaller, less moderated, and even more extreme communities.

But bigotry is rampant on 4chan as well. On that platform, hate speech is present in one out of every 15 comments, exceeding the volume on other, openly racist websites. Users frequently celebrate violence against minorities and far-right terrorists. Former users reported that exposure to the language, memes, and videos on the site desensitized them to hateful language and bloodshed, even in their offline lives.

The findings raise questions about free speech, terrorism, and the policing of online extremism. While mainstream platforms have made some efforts to kick white supremacists off their websites, they may just be driven further underground where it’s even harder to monitor radicalization and threats.

8chan doesn’t keep complete archives, for example, in part because of child pornography present on many pages. But researchers believe that 8- and neinchan contain even more extreme white supremacist content than 4chan. None of the chan sites can be easily shut down because they operate under uncertain ownership and can easily switch to different servers if a company refuses to host their content. There haven't, however, been reported attempts by governments to do so — although there has been some debate over whether shutting down the chans could drive extremists even further off the grid.

A teenage programmer launched 4chan in 2003 as a venue to nerd out on anime, but it quickly spiraled out of control. Within a few years, racism and misogyny were pervasive on at least one forum, and visitors there were collaborating on frightening pranks — reportedly including calling in bomb threats and posting swastikas on a children’s site.

These days, 4chan is still home to mundane discussions about comics and news. But it is also a cesspool of hate.

4chan boards only keep 15 pages worth of comments at a time, but another website, 4plebs, archives 4chan’s “/pol/” messageboard content back to 2014. VICE News collected about a million randomly selected comments from 4plebs, approximately 10 percent of the total number of comments, and searched them for common racial, homophobic and ethnic slurs, as well as white supremacist slogans and violent words like “shoot,” “kill,” ”stab,” and “bomb.”

Since a low point in 2016, the use of six slurs targeting racial and ethnic minorities or LGBTQ people has increased by more than 40% on 4chan’s “politically incorrect” (‘/pol/’) board, billed as a forum for news and politics discussion and the second most popular board on the site. One in every 15 posts on /pol/ so far in 2019 has included some term of hate speech. That’s 30% more slurs than found within the comments on an openly Neo-Nazi website, the Daily Stormer, a VICE News analysis of the comments on that site found.

Former 4chan users reported frequently seeing such speech even on topic boards less toxic than /pol/, such as the “random” (‘/b/’) and sports boards.

Because 4chan users often employ alternative terms to substitute for racial slurs, these numbers almost certainly underestimate the true frequency of hate speech on the site. Posters can utilize a variety of misspellings, dog whistles, and coded language to refer to certain races or ethnicities. Users often likened various minority groups to animals in ways that were clearly racist, even if they didn’t explicitly invoke a slur. According to a former user, in one case, the moderators of the /b/ board used software to change all instances of the n-word in comments to the phrase “peanut butter.”

Since 2015, about one out of every 10 posts on /pol/ using hate speech also used violent language. Sometimes the text included a direct threat of violence toward a minority group; in other cases, the writer implied that a racial minority was committing or would commit violence against white people, a common white supremacist trope. Dozens of comments exhorted other 4channers to “kill themselves,” often punctuating the phrase with a racial or homophobic slur. Sometimes posters made threats indirectly, speculating about what groups would next be terrorized, bombed, or shot.

The proportion of comments containing both hateful and violent speech has increased in the last three years as well, rising by about 25%. “I think they are modeling the type of behavior they want others to engage in,” said Oren Segal, the director of the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism.

Other comments are more ideological, regurgitating Nazi slogans or making glowing references to white supremacist groups. The use of half a dozen white supremacist watchwords — including “heil Hitler,” “sieg heil,” and “white power”— peaked in early 2017 at around triple the average volume in the previous two years.

The rise in that language began in the summer of 2016, increasing in tandem with the presidential election and only beginning to abate in 2018. Comments mentioning now-President Donald Trump or his catchphrase “Make America Great Again” were about 10% more likely to also contain a Nazi slogan. The total volume of Nazi watchwords has since declined but is still about 40% higher than before the 2016 election. They appear in about one in every 100 comments.

Even as 4chan has grown more extreme, overall web traffic on the site has more than doubled in the last decade. Visits to the site peaked in early 2018 and have fallen significantly since, but 4chan remains one of the thousand most popular sites worldwide. It draws visitors from around the world, and it’s even more popular in the United Kingdom and Canada than it is in the U.S.

The real-world effect of exposure to the large amounts of violent, hateful, and white supremacist speech on 4chan and its sister sites is largely unknown. Research does show that exposure to frequent use of hate speech desensitizes people and can increase prejudice. And anecdotally, former 4chan users described this kind of language becoming “normalized,” potentially “bleeding into their offline lives.”

One wrote in an email that he had become “desensitized to things that I would have maybe found appalling before, the biggest example being ISIS beheading/torture vide[os] & gore in general.” Another former participant wrote: “4chan seems to push people towards the darkest side of humanity.”

The increase in hate and violent speech on 4chan “is likely due to multiple overlapping dynamics,” said Patrick James, a researcher at the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism And Response to Terrorism (START). Paradoxically, the crackdown on this kind of content on more mainstream sites like Reddit and Twitter may have led users to congregate on 4chan. “As these actors are pushed out of other sites, 4chan and 8chan have increasingly become sites where these people can have a community and share extremist ideas without fear of it being shut down,” James said.

And even as some social networks have censored or blocked extremist content, some mainstream political leaders have at times embraced white supremacist language. Studies suggest that the use of dehumanizing language by political leaders, such as Donald Trump’s statements about Mexican immigrants being rapists, helps fuel racist comments on the internet, which then become concentrated on sites like 4chan. Other leaders worldwide have echoed similar language in the last few years, with the United Kingdom’s Nigel Farage calling President Obama “a loathsome creature”; following the Brexit vote Farage campaigned for, hate crimes in the U.K. surged. In Brazil, newly-elected president Jair Bolsonaro made threats of violence against gay men and racist remarks against Indigenous people and citizens of African descent.

The white nationalist shooters in New Zealand, California, and Pennsylvania described explicit connections to 8chan in manifestos explaining the motivations behind their attacks. “In each one of those cases, these folks signaled back again to these communities letting them know what they were about to do. And in at least two cases, Poway and New Zealand, [other users] were encouraging them and hoping that they would join them on this journey,” Segal said.

Researchers said many aspects of chan culture do predispose their vast usership to extremism. But despite the overt connections between some terrorists and these communities, it’s unclear whether exposure to imageboard extremism is correlated with violence or causes it.

“There is quite a lot of research showing how people are radicalized or what leads them down radicalization pathways, but the truth is, for all types of extremism, we really don’t know what leads one person to become violent and another person to not make that violent choice,” explained Cynthia Miller-Idriss, a professor at American University and expert on far-right extremism.

Attacks by individuals with extreme ideologies similar to those featured prominently on 4chan are increasing in the United States. The proportion of terrorist attacks by far-right attackers has nearly tripled in the last five years compared to the previous five years, according to Erin Miller, the principal investigator at the University of Maryland’s Global Terrorism Database.

The number of fatalities from these attacks increased more than seven-fold, even excluding the deadly attacks in Las Vegas and Parkland, where it was unclear whether to classify the incidents as terrorist violence. The FBI announced in May that there has been a significant increase in threats from domestic white supremacist terrorists over the last year.

Imageboard sites host a great deal of material unrelated to white nationalism, which sometimes puts hate speech or Nazi slogans a click away from sports or anime discussions, a phenomenon Miller-Idriss described as “gateway content.”

“If you were to go onto 4chan looking for debates on the hockey playoffs, you’re much more likely to come across some sort of neo-Nazi meme than you are on Facebook,” James said. Much of the other material is lighthearted and humorous, which former 4channers said helped bring them there.

“If the same vessel that provide[s] you the most laughs also validates your most hateful thoughts, then, yeah, that’s incredibly awful,” said one former user in an email.

James and Segal said members of organized white extremist and neo-Nazi groups often engage across 4chan. James said there isn’t a lot of formal recruiting on the platform, but groups use it as a “testbed” for messaging. Many popular white supremacist memes such as Pepe the Frog originated there and spread to other sites, in some cases being adopted into more mainstream internet discourse.

The tone of many memes exhorts 4chan users to act immediately to produce revolutionary change. One of the most popular tropes is the idea of “white genocide,” the false conspiracy theory that Jews are organizing a mass replacement of white citizens by non-white people in the United States and other countries. (The use of this term on 4chan has more than doubled in the last three years.) According to Miller-Idriss, dire, apocalyptic visions like this may inspire radicalization by giving potential terrorists a way to feel heroic. By performing violent attacks, they may believe they are tearing down an imaginary system of oppression against whites.

And 4chan users shower such terrorists with praise. Past attackers from New Zealand to Norway are mentioned hundreds of times in comments, with users sometimes proclaiming their innocence and often calling them heroes or bestowing them titles like “commander.” The level of praise was explicitly correlated with the degree of violence achieved by the assailant — higher body counts led to more positive mentions, including specific compliments on the efficiency of an attacker.

Experts agreed that this type of post-event validation could give future terrorists a reason to commit similarly violent attacks. “The role of these platforms to not only radicalize but to inspire the next attack — I think we’re starting to see that play out in the recent attacks that we’ve seen,” Segal said.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d3nbz...y-40-since-2015

That site is terrible. Its the trashiest trash hole on the internet.

Nope - I hadn't ever heard of it till this thread.

What it is and who posts there really don't worry me as much as Qanon having active advocates and supporters who will soon be representatives within our Govt. . . . Making Qanon real and dangerous, and not something that is a figment of someone's imagination.

I have ZERO clue what chan 4 chan 8 and or what Qaunon is, and I don't care. If yinz can't speak regular English I have no reason to listen to what your saying.

Sadly it is regular English for a lot of people and that's the problem.

Yep I am just 20 years older than my age

8chan is worse.

Not possible. Nothing living is that old.

But don't worry, you aren't missing anything worth knowing.

Qanon is a problem and it's absolutely something the right should clearly distance itself from.. but it won't.

BLM may have a couple of "whackadoodles"... but it also has the full support of pretty much every democrat and quite a few republicans and almost none of them are willing to acknowledge, let alone denounce, the more radical and violent part of that group. They explain it away, they waffle on it, the try to cast blame on others, they play whatabout with it.. but very few are willing to call it what it is.

No, everybody calls it what it is: a long overdue social movement.

Most people aren’t buying into the False narrative that you and other conservatives try to make it out to be.

We literally have the world backing us. You have right wing losers on breitbart backing you.

I can see where you are coming from - and personally I'll denounce any Marxist, chaos espousing individual be they a member of BLM or any other group. But while Qanon is definitive in what it is and if you see politicians retweeting posts or embracing it - then it's pretty straight forward what that means. BLM is more an ideology than an official movement... I wonder if you pay attention to the fringes then it elevates their status more than just ignoring it? I mean literally EVERYONE knows that racketeering is just flat wrong and you throw those people in jail and prosecute them .... it's not like silence means you are complicity supporting Marxism of racketeering ..... the Right exclusively focusing on that and trying to use those examples as a "look how awful BLM is" is just plain silly .... and if you start to refute one thing one time, then what about having to refute the other crazies that write flat out dumb and hateful bile on FB or twitter or .... and on and on it goes.

I don't want to make excuses -- I'd like to see any politician and alleged supporter of BLM be asked - what is your take on and what's your position on some parts of BLM claiming to be Marxist? What about the racketeering? But you know that if they answer it won't put anything to rest.

Well that's weird because I'm backing you... so if Breitbart losers are backing me, then by the transitive property....

And they call Conservatives Racists

Are you? Certainly doesn’t seem like it....

???

If the world backs us, which includes white Europeans by the masses, how is it racist?

Does DUTY think republicans are a race? lmao smh

Some people confuse the slogan "Black Lives Matter" w/the radical political organization that is Black Lives Matter.

I encourage all hard-working, honest voters to investigate the various demands that different chapters of BLM have made.

Decide for yourselves if this is what we want for our country moving forward.

And here is a little anecdotal story. We live in an upscale neighborhood that contains large homes and yards. My wife and I were talking to a black couple who lives in the neighborhood a couple of weeks ago. The wife is a doctor and the husband is a financial planner. As you probably know, my wife is Hispanic. None of them agree w/some of the absurd demands that BLM is making.

So? Are you saying 'upscale' opinions are somehow a disqualifier for BLM wanting to end the injustice of police willy nilly killing blacks across the country out of what seems to be fear or racists bias, year in and year out? I mean I can see your disagreement with the nutjobs talking about reparations as monetary payments and the hateful rhetoric some spew, but the root cause is just. Plain and simple, it is just.

But you have every right to disagree.

Reading is hard.

Maybe you should get a tutor.

I read what you posted, but I don't get your hatred of BLM. And what the hell does using 'upscale' have to do with anything but your ego? I think you should just admit you don't like those black folk making ANY demands, because every day lately that's what you sound like. I keep waiting for you to call one of them 'uppity', because that seems to be the next logical step in your radical political devolution.

Once again, a member of the left results to personal insults and attacks when another person expresses their opinion. I didn't attack you or anyone else. I didn't insult anyone. I didn't resort to name calling. I stated my beliefs. You can't accept that and go on the attack by making things personal. It's what the left has been doing a lot of the last four years and it's part of the reason I have abandoned the Democratic party. Keep hating. It's a great way to gain support.

For everyone else: I used the "upscale" neighborhood reference to help demonstrate that there are a ton of successful blacks and they have "earned" their way in life by educating themselves and working hard. The avenues are open for those who are willing to work for what they get. It also demonstrates that they do not agree w/providing handouts for those who don't want to work.

I will continue to view all men equally. That is not the same as just excusing poor behavior and rewarding people for being part of a certain race. Accountability accompanies equality. Act like trash and be treated like trash. Work hard and be a good citizen and you will be treated fairly, equally, and justly.

So in terms of personal insults - where does this rank? Just wondering.

For the life of me, I don't understand the Rights fascination with conspiracies.

Taking it a step further, I don't understand how they can accept all the crazies that push those conspiracies...

And yet statistics and history and an ENORMOUS amount of factual data supports that it is much HARDER for one segment of society to work hard and see that success.... That's the whole point and it seems to be the point you don't want to accept or acknowledge. That's your right. But quoting or referencing whoever and whatever you like - be they affluent multiracial sources or otherwise does not invalidate the evidence that shows this to be true.

You are misrepresenting my intentions.

I have been very vocal that we need to continue to expand and improve opportunities for minorities in both the educational field and the work place.

What I am against is wealth distribution, reparations, defunding the police, free housing, etc w/no work stipulations.

I have no problem if you disagree and support those particular demands. That is your right. It is also my right to express what I believe in w/out being attacked by name-callers like OCD.

Actually I don't think your opinion is far off from most people. It's not really far off from mine. My support in regards to BLM involves those who peacefully protest against police brutality. Those who wish to change the legal structure that would make the police more accountable. A system that would provide that if a cop is fired from one department over interactions with the public, he can't be hired as a cop somewhere else.

And the entire "defunding the police" movement? I think that's a very deceptive and pretty dumb phrase to begin with. Nashville is located in Davidson county. The Davidson county sheriff did what I felt was a great way of explaining what I and he both support.

He explained how he estimates about 30% of his inmate population was mentally ill. How many of their calls involved the mentally ill and were non violent. How many in his jail are homeless and many of his calls that officers were sent to involved the homeless. He felt that if the funds he spent dealing with these situations were diverted to helping the homeless and mentally ill, rather than criminalizing these problems, not only would that help them, but his jail and police force would run more efficiently and his officers would be freed up to address more pressing problems and actual criminal activity.

He freely admitted they are not staffed nor equipped to deal with the actual problems and needs of the homeless nor the mentally ill and it complicates the job of the police.

So to his points I agree with him.

Look, we have extremists on both sides of these issues. The real problem is that attention is always focused on the extremes rather than those speaking in common sense terms.

Don't expect Vers to see his own obvious flaws, he thinks he is perfect... Upscale even. lmao.

All they have is crap they make up and pretend is real, that's what the alt-right dumb down of the republican party has resulted in...

No it's not your right to silence me and my opinions. You only feel attacked because you are hypersensitive to every little remark. I used to date a girl that was just like you, she was always offended by anyone who would disagree with her or point out her flaws. Had to dump her ass though because she was borderline nuts and would never shut up long enough to stop being a victim and see she was the actual problem.

But when you sling 'reading is hard' at me, then you are asking me to hit back. And I will sleep good at night doing it because I know I'm on the right side of history.

I'm one of the most left on here and I don't support the dumbass demands that some of these BLM 'speakers' say they want. Monetary reparations is a joke. First it will never happen, but if it did who would get what and why? There are no ex-slaves left alive, each former slave family would have a claim, but how do you verify? And a family that was enslaved in the 1600's vs. a family enslaved in the 1800s... does one get more for their family being in bondage longer? There is no way to do it fairly even if the white majority agreed to do it.

Then the 'free stuff' is often confused with basic needs going unmet due to financial situations. I'm not for passing out swag bags with free crap to people who do not want to work, don't know anybody who is either. But I am for making sure people can get medical care, food, shelter, clothes, and an education regardless of there financial situations or work situations. I don't think kids should ever go hungry in the greatest/richest country in the world. And if that means we all have to have a little less to make it happen, then we all have to have a little less.

Twisting that into some desire to pervert the world or some attempt to steal from 'working white people' is BS. Twisting that into a commie plot, Venezuelan style socialism, or an episode of Oprah gives crap away is deplorable BS.

So Vers, Pit is right in telling you that nobody wants those things, other than a few clueless overzealous protesters caught up in the energy of the moment. I bet if you sat down with those same people that are making Vers nuts and had a real conversation with them, they would admit the demands are over the top and unrealistic too; but in the face of so much hatred and an outright onslaught of bigotry for finally taking a stand, outrageous demands has become the counterprotest that strikes fear into the perceived enemy.

So I hear the same crap Vers does, I just don't take it all as literally as he does. If I hear a mother pleading for help to take care of her children, then I want to help. If I hear a protester say they all should get a free 2020 Escalade for reparations, I roll my eyes and move on... I mean who takes that seriously?

Reparations in the form of programs to help people escape poverty I'm good with. A seat at the table for self governing of minority communities I 100% agree with. Police departments and government that reflects the diversity of our nation I 100% agree with. And cops who are trained to take somebody into custody without letting them die or killing them needlessly I 1000% agree with.

I was not trying to silence your opinions. I said reading is hard because you completely misrepresented my initial post. I never once mentioned police brutality. That tactic happens over and over on here. The original message gets ignored and things become personal.

But not all of them right? And I bet they aren’t denouncing BLM entirely like you are. And why would they be forthcoming to you? They’re probably just trying to fit in and not create adversaries like you do.

Yeah, that's it.

We don't see everything eye to eye and probably never will, but you and I usually are never that far apart. You have to make you own choices and do you, as do I. But never think that I'm not reasonable when it comes to the wackadoo nonsense. I don't like many of the things being said that you don't like. But I'm not going to condemn those fighting for the same things you and I take for granted just because we were born a different color. I'm not going to condemn the poor for wanting a level playing field or some additional help of some kind to overcome systemic obstacles that keep them in poverty. I just think everyone deserves to be treated humanely when it comes to basic human needs, regardless of their financial situation, color of their skin, or origin of their heritage.

IMHO, it's ridiculous that we even have to have this debate.

Once again, I respect your opinions and your right to them. I am NOT trying to challenge them. I simply responded to you because you called me out by talking about something I never once mentioned. I sure as hell do not support police brutality and never came close to saying I did.

State your opinions on the topics and you won't hear a word from me. Call me out and there is a chance I'll defend myself.

???

i post on this board so that my opinions DO get challenged.

thats an odd comment.

Then why did you PM me and ask that we not speak to one another?

Look, I think we should all have a right to speak our opinions on topics. I guess it's great if some of you like to go at it w/one another. I just don't like when people misrepresent the context of the message just to win some stupid-ass argument.

For example, I never said I was okay w/police brutality. And I sure as hell did not say that blacks haven't faced issues in education and securing employment. Hell, for decades........I have been a voice of saying how we need to provide more opportunities for blacks in those areas.

People seemingly have a hard time delving deeper into topics and analyzing/evaluating different topics in a very broad subject. It's like one has to totally agree w/everything or completely disagree w/the broad subject. That's for simpletons and not for me.

And one more thing. In my initial post that started this mess..........I did NOT try and force my opinion on anyone. I even asked that people do their own research on the demands from various chapters of BLM organizations and make up their own minds.

Oh, the horror...

bro i know you just didn't lie on the board like that..... LETS PULL UP THE RECEIPTS

swish: Can we please move on? I’m tired of beefing with you. It’s gets us nowhere.

Vers: Sure.

Swish: dope thread with the Actor choices. really broke some tension on the board. good stuff.

Vers: Thanks dawg.

Maybe one day in the future we can team up and be on the same side? Because, I think we are. We're both too just damn passionate at times.

Vers: I know I promised you that I wouldn't respond to you on the board again...............but, would you have a problem if I responded to this?

Quote:
what have we been doing except...existing? we couldnt even unite long term over 9/11. thats the truth. we united a bit when we went to afghanistan, but the moment we decided to go to iraq, the country became completely split, and continues to widen since that moment.

nobody, from our government down to the people, can agree on what this country should be about. what we should represent. we don't even talk about the bill of rights and US constitution with much pride anymore in this country, for multiple reasons.

we just have no direction. and because we have no direction, i think its a big part as to why we are at each others throats all the time in this country. we just became so...spoiled and entitled. its got to the point that american society can absolutely be summed up into reality tv shows across the networks.


I ain't gonna attack you, but I'm gonna present both sides. However, I am a man of my word and if you say "no," I won't post my thoughts.

Swish: Go ahead
____________

i didnt say A DAMN THING about not speaking to one another.

what did you tell OCD about learning how to read? probably should practice what you preach.....

What does this have to do w/the subject?

The PM was over a period of time.

You PMed me this:

swish: Can we please move on? I’m tired of beefing with you. It’s gets us nowhere.

I responded w/this.

Vers: Sure.

And I was true to my word. I didn't comment on anything you said on here. The rest of that came later on. And btw...I didn't even respond to your one thread because KOB and some others ruined that thread.

Now, if you are calling me a liar because I didn't word it exactly right..........LOL...go ahead.

But whatever, I'm sticking to my guns about my views on some of the demands that are coming from the organization that is Black Lives Matter.

Somehow, folks try very hard to make sure we never talk about them when they are brought up. I wonder why that is...?

Well I hear you but I have to say that your sudden swing to camp Trump is not a good representation of what you say you believe in. Voting for Trump is tantamount to going along with the hate speech, rhetoric, and actions that have been so divisive and cruel to POC and immigrants under his admin.

You are basically saying to the world, IMHO, that you would rather align yourself with the bigots, fascists, and white supremacists that follow Trump than to give into the demands of the BLM protests. Well, if you just chuck the ridiculous things a few have demanded or the way out of left field ridiculous starting points they think they need to negotiate from and reduce it to the basic fundamental issues of the movement, then this all becomes much clearer in which side is the right side to align with.

So if you think my pointing out how many of the things you've said the last few days/weeks have caused me to respond to you with less than cordial remarks will somehow sway me, you're wrong. I'm siding with the oppressed over protecting billionaires and corporations, continuing systemic racism to spare a little white greif, or having an authoritarian fascist POTUS lead us back to 1950 and hand us over to the Russians.

What the hell are you talking about? You may wish to check. I think you're confusing me with someone else. I do recall telling you in a phone call that if you wished to have a civil conversation that would be fine but I wasn't going to deal with anything other than that.



On a personal basis I have been trying very hard to have a civil dialogue with you. As for myself I do at times get confused about the message someone is sending. So it isn't my intent to misrepresent the comments of others but the confusion lies in not having the proper understanding of the message they're sending.



I don't believe I've ever accused you of any of those things.



Yet that happens to me all of the time. And while I can understand your opinion here, I can see the other side as well. Our nation has a long history of having trouble tackling even one issue at a time which is focused on. I mean we can look at the women's right to vote as an example. Can you imagine how much longer it would have taken to resolve that issue had it have been open to women's rights as a whole?

That would have taken the focus off of the vote and added topics such as women's pay, physical abuse of women and a host of other issues all that would have counted as the unfair treatment of women. It actually took women close to 100 years from when the fight first began to secure the right to vote. As much as i agree with you that to solve racial issues as a whole it will take a much broader conversation.

Yet I also realize we live in a nation where that has never been a successful approach to finding the solution to anything as sad as that is in terms of civil discourse. It's been a single issue, one step at a time where improvements have been made. So while I do see what you're saying I can also see how people feel muddying the water by making it the more complex issue that we both agree it is will take the focus away from attacking the problem one step at a time.



As you can see, I have my own battles to deal with on this board. I was just accused of supporting Antifa. LMAO

As such, I'm not predisposed to entering into the fray of other disputes an a personal level. I have done that in the past and sometimes may feel the need to do so again. But where I feel a rational discussion can be found, I'll try to engage in that. There are several posters this used to be possible to conduct such rational discussion with, but that list has dwindled by a great deal including some I never would have guessed.

So if you would like to try and discuss things between ourselves in a civil manner exchanging opinions rather than trying to force our views on each other, I would be very open to that. If not, given our history, I would understand that as well. I'll leave that entirely up to you. But the personal conflict or disagreements between you and others is something I will not get involved with.

Sorry Vers. After looking a second time I see this was intended to Swish and not me.

j/c...

I'm voting for Trump not because I support him, but because I think the Dems are off their rocker and will hurt my family more than Trump will.

Go ahead and continue to bash me. Whatever...it's just another nail in the coffin on how I feel about Dems.

My reply was to Swish. Check again.

I didn't read the rest of your post because you must have been triggered.

I will say once again that you guys sure seem to go to great lengths to not allow us to have a discussion about the demands from the political organization that is called Black Lives Matter.

Tell him you are voting for Biden and he will go away.
Just like the rest of us do when the Polls call.

Statistically people vote for who they think will help them personally more so than what they think is right for the country. That's true going back decades.... you mentioned an upscale neighborhood and I think once you posted your wife makes more than 300K (if I am wrong that you didn't post that I apologize now) .... if that is the case then Trump probably will be in your own self interest.

It's all very complicated. Both my kids are making really good money, too. We taught them to work hard and they do.

On the other hand, I totally support the growth of minorities. I think we have made a ton of strides over the decades, but still have a ways to go especially in hiring and promotion practices in the work place. That must improve.

The things I am dramatically opposed to are wealth distribution, reparations, free housing, etc. For multiple reasons:

1. Someone has to pay for it and my family will be adversely affected.

2. It's another way to keep minorities down. Instead of trying to encourage them to succeed, you are telling them they are not good enough and need handouts. This one annoys me beyond explanation. It's a passive aggressive attack on those who are already down.

3. Such moves will only create more division between the races and classes.

I am not asking anyone to agree w/my opinions or trying to convince anyone of anything. Just voicing my opinions.

I've lived half my life in the USA and half in England. England has politics way left of the US - so it's hard not to lean that way, if for nothing else than a National Healthcare system. It is beyond crazy that the number 1 cause of (personal) bankruptcy in the USA is poor health / healthcare costs and that's regardless of how well individuals prepare and insure themselves. It boggles the mind that the richest nation in earths history doesn't view healthcare as a basic human right like the the other industrialized/1st world nations on earth ...

Anyway - regards welfare and "freebies": [1] Personally I don't think most people want the freebies. They want a better life and will work hard for it given the opportunity. [2] I always ask people that don't believe that if they would be satisfied living below the poverty line but not having to work for it ... they always say no, they want more. I don't understand the obsession with the abusers and freeloaders and worst section of society and assuming others don't have the same base desire and willingness to work as themselves. [3] Long term cost to the State/Nation - it's cheaper and less expensive to lift up those in need than to let them rot at the bottom and turn to crime and drugs ... the (way more) socialist countries in Europe demonstrate that year after year. . . . personally I have no issue providing help tied to things like drug testing etc.

Just my opinion. Politicians and Politics probably gets in the way of most commons sense solutions.

I haven't even started bashing you so it's hard to continue.

I have no problem admitting my wife and I combined don't make 6 digits. My son alone makes about 30,000 more than us. He has a good job that he likes. I have a great job that I love - it just isn't the income producer most seek.

Money isn't the end all be all. Good friend of mine - great friend, really, brings in 120,000, and his wife about 40,000. They constantly complain about being poor. (making payments on both of their student loans, payments on 4 vehicles, payments on the pool they just put in, and now soon payments on an addition to their house)

Payment heaven.

I know people making under 40,000 that have raised families, own their home, and do just fine. Always dressed nice, etc.

Money isn't about happiness. Happiness isn't about money to a large degree. Gotta be able to live and eat of course.

Multi millionaire relative - he's as happy as I am, and has fewer friends - TRUE friends, that is. Lotta people like him for his money though. If you saw he and I a Browns game, you'd know what I'm talking about. He'd be the one showing up in his 40' rv, and having a chef cook for him.

Another friend - wealthy beyond belief. His house and property is probably worth 4-5 times what my wife and I's house and all assets are worth. Plus they have race horses, a place at the lake - awesome place...........if he and I showed up at a tailgate, you would NEVER guess he had money. He'd be the first helping out, be it setting up, or tearing down. No airs about that dude, what so ever.

Money isn't bad. Money isn't good. People are, though.

D's and R's both have money, and both have poor people. To insinuate that only wealthy people support Trump is wrong.

Thanks for sharing. I didn't say and didn't mean to imply only rich people vote for Trump or the GOP.

This is an example of the kind of post I love to read.





My take: money is a tool. How one uses that tool tells us about the craftsman- and the work he values.

All these right wing losers are the same so might as well post it here:

InfoWars Reporter Hailed As a Deep State Victim. The Cops Say She Just Robbed Her Mom.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/infowars-reporter-hailed-deep-state-082759631.html

Lmfao. That’s all I could do. Laugh. Just read the article.

These right wing psychopaths are something else. “I was jogging.” Lmfaoooo

All these leftie loonies are the same so I might as well post it here.

I love how people copy my comments. It’s fun living rent free in everyone’s head. Like Obama does trump.

I love how some people feel they are being complimented when someone shows just how freaking ridiculous they sound.

the problem is that you're not effective at it.

like, at all. but i expect zero effectiveness from a MAGA hatter like you so oh well.

please continue supporting your new confederate POTUS. can't wait to see Vers standing side by side with racist by a confederate statue lmfao

Effective enough to trigger you midget mind.

What was that? I don’t speak the racist MAGA language.

Somebody translate Vers’s post for me.

Be cool bro, he's against name calling, remember?

Ben Sasse Says Trump’s QAnon Remarks Will Be Partly to Blame if Dems Retake Senate

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ben-sasse-says-trump-qanon-125039483.html

Can’t whine about the left when conservatives are also bigly concerned over Q.

j/c:

Had you bothered to read it, you would have seen that I realized it was intended to Swish and I apologized for the mistake. Despite your claim, my entire post was a logical one and not one attacking you.

But this seems to be more of your M.O. these days. Supporting a man dividing this nation more than any president in our lifetime while claiming to want unity. It makes zero sense.

Is it too late for Biden to change his running mate?

jc

i gotta say though, damn man i wish my side came up with some dope ass names with our craziness.

Qanon just sounds good when you say it out loud. like on some secret society stuff...

j/c

Jeb Bush condemns Trump's QAnon comments: 'Nut jobs, racists, haters have no place in either party'

https://thehill.com/homenews/administrat...sts-haters-have

It's like I've been saying. Some people love an imported beer. Some love a great IP. Some have their favorite brand.

But once you buy one of those bottles of beers from a store shelf that is past its date. One of those nasty, skunky tasting beers?

Even a Busch sounds good.

Karl Rove said the same thing (was that posted already? Not sure).

j/c

'Is that such a bad thing?': Trump willing to help QAnon conspiracy theorists 'save the world' from cannibals and paedophiles

Donald Trump gave new hope to QAnon conspiracy theorists who believe he is waging a secret war against a deep state of paedophile cannibals by saying that he would be willing to help them "save the world".

Asked at his daily press conference what he thinks about the QAnon movement, the president said he didn’t know much about it other than they “like him very much, which I appreciate”.

At the crux of the theory is a belief that the president is secretly working to save the world from a satanic cult of paedophiles and cannibals. When asked if that was something he was behind, Mr Trump said he was willing to put himself “out there” to help.

“Well I haven’t heard that, but is that supposed to be a bad thing or a good thing? You know, if I can help save the world from some problems, I’m willing to do it, I’m willing to put myself out there,” Mr Trump said.

“And we are actually, we’re saving the world from a radical left philosophy that will destroy this country, and when this country is gone the rest of the world would follow.”

The Biden campaign said Mr Trump's response to QAnon was another example of the president "giving voice to violence".

"After calling neo-Nazis and white supremacists in Charlottesville 'fine people' and tear gassing peaceful protesters following the murder of George Floyd, Donald Trump just sought to legitimize a conspiracy theory that the FBI has identified as a domestic terrorism threat," Biden campaign spokesperson, Andrew Bates, said in a statement.

The pro-Trump supporters of the QAnon theory have continued to grow since he was elected president, and often attend his rallies wearing "Q" shirts.

The first time Mr Trump was asked about QAnon during a White House press conference last week, he refused to address the conspiracy directly. When asked about one of the theory's proponent's, Marjorie Taylor Greene, who won the Republican primary for Georgia's 14th Congressional district, Mr Trump congratulated her but moved on quickly to the next question.

When asked again on Wednesday, the president said that while he doesn't know much about the movement, he does know they are people that love the country and don't like seeing it the way it is.

"I have heard that it is gaining in popularity and from what I hear, these are people that when they watch the streets of Portland when they watch what happened in New York City in just the last six or seven months, but this was starting even four years ago when I came here," he said.

"These are people that don't like seeing what's going on in places like Portland and places like Chicago, and New York and other cities and states."

Mr Trump's 2016 Republican primary opponent, Jeb Bush, was also quick to denounce the president for his apparent embrace of the conspiracy theory.

"Why in the world would the President not kick Q'anon supporters' butts? Nut jobs, rascists, haters have no place in either Party," Mr Bush said in a tweet.

Adherents to the conspiracy theory believe a mysterious but anonymous figure known as "Q" leaves cryptic but often prophetic messages on websites such as 4chan. Different theories contend that Q is a former intelligence officer, a group of people or perhaps even Mr Trump himself.

It has increasingly come into the mainstream during the course of Mr Trump's presidency, with several Republican candidates identifying themselves with it.

QAnon is linked to the notorious Pizzagate conspiracy, which claimed that Hillary Clinton and others were running a paedophile ring from the basement of a DC restaurant.

In 2016 a heavily armed North Carolina man drove to the restaurant to free the children he believed were trapped there and opened fire. However, the restaurant had no basement and there were no children. The gunman, Edgar Maddison Welch, was sentenced to four years in jail. He apologised for his actions and said he had made an "incredibly ill-advised decision".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...n-a9678946.html

j/c

GOP Rep. Liz Cheney calls QAnon "dangerous lunacy"

https://www.axios.com/liz-cheney-qanon-r...tm_content=1100

Some of them still have a spine.

but i thought this was just leftist hysteria!!!

j/c:

Interesting:

Qantas denies it's part of flying conspiracy after disturbing Freemason and new world order symbols are spotted on the engines of a national carrier plane

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...conspiracy.html

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/22/politics/jo-rae-perkins-qanon-oregon-senate-race/index.html


Just flat out scary.

Yeah Q is crazy but have you heard about the conspiracy theory that the President of the united states is controlled by the Kremlin? It's not nearly as fringe as Q and they write books, speak freely on virtually all media and even produce feature films.

I heard a crazy one that Obama was born in Kenya and was a Muslim too. Only the current president was the one spreading those lies. Murica!

I've heard that one, it's a good one. I have also heard Q speak about an elite pedophile ring in which active government officials protect and empower pedophile ring leaders....in 2015. Absolutely and entirely debunked by the media as a total fabrication in the pizza gate scandal during the recent Clinton campaign. What a load of crap....

Q?

It gets scary when they elect someone as president who promotes such crazy conspiracies.

While I absolutely agree that Trump has no business engaging in that nonsense...it's peanuts, Truman nuked the Japs when they were defeated, claimed it the end of the war that was already over when it was about trying to scare the Russians.

Nearly every President right up until the Iraq war ran on wild conspiracy theories about the red scare, despite de-classified proof that both Putin and Gorbachev were pushing for peace among the big 3. WMD is a conspiracy theory perpetuated by both parties. That a sitting President colluded with Russia to steal an election is a conspiracy theory. (the irony of which is that Democrats had until now FDR mostly had tried to make peace with the USSR).

Those are real conspiracy theories.




All of those make this one, especially in the confessions of Victims, under oath, pictured with Bill Clinton on multiple occasions, testified under oath that Bill Clinton was on the island.....at least mildly intriguing.

While the inflammatory notion of " satanic cannibalism" is shocking, you take that one phrase out and what do you have? An elite group of NWO types running a pedophile ring.....I know what a wild conspiracy theory.

Yet the war with Japan was not over. They were a different kind of enemy. They fought to the death in all circumstances. Every model constructed indicated that using nukes would actually save casualties in the long run.

You try to make it sound as if the cold war wasn't real. News flash, it was. Russia tried to install nukes in Cuba. Revisionist history won't change any of that and I'm not a huge proponent of using nukes on Japan.

The fact is QAnon believes it's ALL Democrats and Trump is the savior. Yeah, pretty frickin crazy. And you forgot all about the "Satan worshipers" part.

Here's another part you conveniently left out. Whether you believe in those crazy theories you posted about nuking Japan and the cold war is kind of irrelevant if you consider one major factor.

Those things were done in an effort to unite the American people against a foreign power. The conspiracies Trump and many of his followers are promoting work to turn the American people against one another. Big difference. Using the divide and conquer method as a tactic to divide and spread hatred among our own people could easily be what destroys our nation from within.

That's unlike anything you tried to use as examples.

Trump did a very similar thing with Qanon as he did with the White Supremacists, talking about them, referencing things that will appeal to them in tweets, not condoning them (although at some point he may - but by then the impact of initially not condoning them enables or legitimizes them in their eyes.

He mentioned them (which they love) he said something about them being Americans that love their country, he said he hoped to have answers for them. . . . Is there anything in there, by itself, that you could say is reprehensible? Maybe not - but it is a systematic pandering to wild crazies and hate groups that we've seen over and over. Very dangerous.

He also suggested the reason they aren't coming up with a vaccine is because of the deep state withing the CC.

He just says so many bat crap crazy things it's hard to keep up with them all.

I won't derail but I do not agree on Japan.

Russia gate is a FAR more pervasive and divisive conspiracy theory. It had a sitting President impeached on a LOT of questionable material. People like Adam Schiff told the American public on a REGULAR basis that he had "overwhelming evidence"

The difference in the theories there is proof, photos, eyes witnesses, victims testifying under oath for Little Saint James "Conspiracy theory". Sweeping this under the rug is dishonest. Photos of Bill Clinton getting a massage from a victim surfaced and he still spoke at the DNC. That is not to say that I believe this to be a partisan island.


Certainly there is some partisan slant from a fringe group, maybe a little, maybe a lot. Until they release the information or Ghalaine testifies there is a lot of speculation on exactly who is on the list. All I know is that the left is openly ignoring it and calling Q wild, terrorist conspiracy theorists for thinking there is some elite group of pedos, trafficking and grooming women.....when we KNOW it already happened.

Oh, Ghaline Maxwell? The one Trump wished good luck to?

As I said, Trump supports conspiracy theories that tear our nation apart from the inside. Trying to create hate and division among our own people. Nothing you brought up compares to that.

No ... I think you may have your facts and scandals mixed up.

There was a ton of unprecedented communication between Trump campaign and Russian agents (either real intelligence agents or criminal agents or just high profile Russians.) .... Russia tried very hard to get Trump elected .... and the Republicans elected to instigate an investigation (lead by Mueller, a highly regarded Republican).

Mueller found lots of unprecedented communication with Russia. He found a lot of people lying. He said that it was impossible to prove the extent and intent of the communications because of the lying and coordinated testimony .... but he did nail a lot of convictions. He also laid out 11 examples of when Trump tried to interfere with the process of law - but he said it was not his decision to decide whether to prosecute for that.... Barr lied about the report to get out ahead of the story. His actions and summary to the American people was so egregious a Federal judge later made a public comment that Barr was so far out of line with regards to his comments on the Mueller report, nothing he said could be given credibility.

Then several months later - Trump tried to strong arm a partner who had been ear marked funds in order for them to defend themselves from Russia, with Trump withholding those funds (I'd say it was a result of the phone call - but that was never established ... but there was never a reason or justification for the withholding of funds either. Sometimes 0+0 does equal 0 but it wasn't proven) .... The whistle-blower blew the whistle, there was a lot of evidence of various credibility that lead to the impeachment process. . . . at the time Trump fan kept saying that no-one could provide first hand testimony about Trump's involvement and came up with crazy theories like this was all Rudy acting rougue and such .... then we had several first hand witnesses that spelled out what Trump did/said etc .... he was then Impeached. Nothing at all to do with Russia.

Congress voted basically along party lines - however a small handful of Republicans did say that what Trump did was impeachment worthy - but then they said let the voters decide in November.

And just to reinforce the validity of the Russia investigation(s)

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf

https://www.twincities.com/2020/08/23/el...rumps-campaign/

The real Q is going to speak at the RNC?

Man, seeing the Biden video and ties that Epstein had w/Clinton and the Hollywood types makes me wonder if there isn't some truth to these so-called outrageous claims.

The deleted tweets from Chrissy Tiegen are disturbing.

MI

Personally I hope they nail everyone associated with Epstein and whoever took Advantage.... and hopefully there is a hell where they can burn for eternity.

Asfor trying to paint Clinton as a closer tie to the man than Trump ......

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...rightwing-media

Has anyone else seen Tiegen's deleted tweets that were confiscated?

Has anyone else noticed the ties to trafficking and Hollywood?

I do think Qanon is whacked, but if you do your research, there are some disturbing things going on here. The Tom Hanks thing is upsetting, as well.

What is the Tom Hanks thing ?

I am trying not to talk to you guys. Don't take my word for it. Research it. It's a bit disturbing, especially combined w/the move to Australia when this was all going down.

There should be some natural stopping point when your cheese slides off the cracker, it's not supposed to keep going on and on... seek professional help if it does not stop sliding would be my advice.

You're funny... you avoid EVERYONE who asks you tough questions or your special brand of Victim/Hyprocricy. Example: After months of compliments for Jester now you post mean, nasty little responses to him too now.

Anyway - I googled Tom Hanks and any connection with Epstein - the only thing that came up was stories about him gaining Greek citizenship because he was escaping charges of pedophilia. There are literally dozens and dozens of 'fact check' stories dismissing this. There is a bald face lie FB post listing Hollywood actors (and Tom Hanks) as being on the flight record logs .... didn't research them, but did see it is been proven Tom Hanks is NOT on any of the flight record logs.

Seems you have found the same conspiracy theory laden web sites that many on here go to - and rather than fact check or research you simply pass along these lies as insinuations and references in your posts. No wonder you are so fixated on an irrelevant few that claim to represent some Marxist BLM front instead of embracing the Millions and Millions of people all around the globe celebrating Black Lives Matter as a movement to bring about change and attention to the additional challenges the Black and minority communities face.

https://www.parents.com/kids/responsibil...gh-for-a-child/

This is why I don't respond to you. You turn things around and turn it into a personal attack. You make false claims intended to belittle my character.

You mentioned Jester. He asked that we stop responding to one another. I agreed. I am asking you [once again] that you and I stop communicating.

I doubt you agree because it is very important to you that you discredit my opinions and viewpoints. But please reconsider. Will you please agree to cease our communications?

Well - no, because this is a public forum and if you post and make statements publicly they are possibly going to get commented on.

Your "I don't want to reply to you, go look it up yourself post" or whatever the exact words were, was a middle finger back to me, hence the post I wrote. It's not hard.

To the actual content of the post .... the Lies about Tom Hanks and the "Hollywood Elites" has been proven to stem from a fake FB post of alleged Flight records for Epstein. That post has been proven to be fake and a lie. In addition Tom Hanks and his wife did not gain Greek Citizenship to avoid pedophilia charges. I hope that allays your fears that you posted - i know you would not want to promote false information on the board.

Never mind. It's not worth it.

Welcome.

What happens when you can’t back up allegations with actual facts.

The claim it's not worth it seems odd from someone so intent to prove it's worth it.

QAnon backer Greene also promoted 'Pizzagate,' said Charlottesville was 'inside job'

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch...lottesville-was

And yet they talk about the crazy libs.

Apparently there is no defense for promoting unsubstantiated, proven lies and deranged Alt Right conspiracy theories. Hopefully it will stop.

Trump retweeted an old video of Biden rubbing a woman's shoulders with the hashtag 'PedoBiden,' explicitly pushing a QAnon conspiracy theory

• President Donald Trump retweeted a post on Tuesday that featured the hashtag "PedoBiden," pushing a fringe theory against his 2020 Democratic presidential opponent, Joe Biden.
• The 2015 video shows Biden touching the shoulders of an adult woman at an event in the White House, but the accusation is untrue and has been promoted by the far-right conspiracy-theory movement QAnon.
• Biden has been accused of behaving inappropriately toward women in the past, as has Trump.

President Donald Trump peddled a false claim about his 2020 Democratic presidential rival, Joe Biden, on Tuesday by retweeting a post that featured the hashtag "PedoBiden."

The tweet, from an account with the username ConservativeGirl, depicts a video of Biden touching a woman's shoulders and seemingly whispering in her ear, along with the caption: "We can beat them at their game .. #PedoBiden."

The clip, from Biden's time as vice president, is of a 2015 swearing-in ceremony for then-Defense Secretary Ashton Carter at the White House, where Biden is seen standing behind Carter's wife, Stephanie, and squeezing her shoulders. The image triggered a media outcry at the time because of Biden's handsy behavior.



Biden has faced scrutiny throughout the 2020 campaign trail for his past conduct toward women, with seven women coming forward to say he had inappropriately touched them or violated their personal space. None of those women were minors, and none described the behavior as sexual. However, another woman, Tara Reade, a former Senate aide, has accused Biden of sexually assaulting her while she worked for his office in 1993, a claim he has denied.

Trump has been accused of varying degrees of sexual misconduct by more than two dozen women. He hasn't addressed all of the women's claims but has issued broad denials.

There is no evidence supporting the pedophilia allegation about the former vice president. The far-right conspiracy-theory movement QAnon has continued to push the false narrative that Washington harbors satanists who run a global child sex-trafficking ring and are protected by a "deep state" that Trump is fighting against.

Fringe theories sweeping the internet have been slowly inching their way into mainstream politics. Trump and some members of Congress have repeated similar baseless statements, whereas others have gone to condemn the movement.

Trump last month was confronted about QAnon, which has spread disinformation while boosting pro-Trump propaganda on social media. The president has retweeted such content numerous times and has declined to denounce the group, instead praising its followers as "people that love our country."

Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Republican candidate for Congress, has promoted QAnon and was endorsed by Trump. Her Democratic challenger dropped out of the race last week, meaning Greene will almost certainly be elected to Congress in November.

The Trump campaign lately appeared to distance itself from the group, as Vice President Mike Pence earlier this week canceled plans to attend a fundraiser hosted by supporters of QAnon.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-pushed-qanon-conspiracy-retweeting-hashtag-pedobiden-2020-9

#pedotrump

#factsdontmatter

He may hold the office of POTUS, but presidential he's not. What he is is an uncouth, bullying, egocentric lout who lowers the bar every day.