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Posted By: Jester The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/24/20 09:04 PM
With the 1st debate less than a week away, I thought I'd get us started.

Trump v Biden first presidential debate: when and how to watch
The Independent
Oliver O'Connell
,The Independent•September 24, 2020


When is the first Trump v Biden debate?

The first debate between Republican incumbent president Donald Trump and former Democratic nominee former vice-president Joe Biden takes place on Tuesday 29 September at 9pm ET (2am GMT).

The venue is Case Western Reserve University and Cleveland Clinic in Cleveland, Ohio, traditionally a battleground state in general elections. The polls are tight, but the RealClear Politics polling average currently has Biden ahead by 2.4 points (46.7 to 44.3 per cent).

How do I watch the first presidential debate?

All major US networks will broadcast the debate — ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox News, CNN and MSNBC. The debate will also be available on those networks’ streaming services online and via apps on Amazon Fire, Android, Roku, and Apple TV services.

C-SPAN will broadcast the debate live as well as on C-SPAN.com and the C-SPAN Radio app. The Washington Post will also stream live coverage.

Other outlets will likely announce live streaming coverage ahead of Tuesday.

Who is moderating and what will be covered?

The moderator is Fox News Sunday anchor Chris Wallace. Moderators are chosen by the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates.

Wallace has announced six topics to be covered during the debate.

The Trump and Biden records

The Supreme Court

Covid-19

The economy

Race and violence in our cities

The integrity of the election

The topics might not be in the order that they are listed, and each will be allocated 15 minutes for discussion. The Commission on Presidential Debates has said that the topics are subject to change due to recent events. Developments in the Breonna Taylor case, subsequent protests, and the death of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, as well as plans to fill her seat with a new justice, may be included.

When are the other debates?

The second debate will be a town hall format held in Miami, Florida, on 15 October, moderated by C-SPAN's Steve Scully, host of Washington Journal.

The third and final debate will be moderated by NBC White House correspondent Kristen Welker on 22 October in Nashville, Tennessee.

Democrat Kamala Harris and Republican Mike Pence will meet in the only vice-presidential debate on 7 October in Salt Lake City, Utah, moderated by USA Today Washington Bureau chief Susan Page.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-v-biden-first-presidential-100200476.html
Posted By: Jester Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/24/20 09:06 PM
Looks like trump is expecting to lose the debate is is already starting on making excuses

2020 Election: Trump claims first presidential debate will be ‘unfair'
The Independent
Graeme Massie
,The Independent•September 24, 2020

Donald Trump has claimed the first presidential debate next week will be "unfair."

Mr Trump said in a radio interview that veteran moderator Chris Wallace was “controlled by the radical left” and would not ask Joe Biden tough questions.

“Chris is good, but I would be willing to bet that he won’t ask Biden tough questions,” the president told Brian Kilmeade on Fox News Radio.

“He will ask tough questions of me and it will be unfair, I have no doubt about it. He will be controlled by the radical left.”

Trump insisted he had “a lot of respect” for Wallace and a good relationship with his father, Mike Wallace.

Mr Kilmeade was quick to push back against Mr Trump’s accusations about his Fox News colleague.

“Mr President, I will tell you for sure, he is not controlled by anyone,” said Mr Kilmeade.

“We’ll see. Then he’s got to ask tough questions of Biden,” Trump said.

Mr Wallace will moderate the first presidential debate in Cleveland, Ohio, on Tuesday.

Both candidates will be asked questions on their records, the coronavirus, the Supreme Court, the economy, race and violence in US cities, and election integrity.

Trump appeared to try and lower expectations of his performance, insisting that Mr Biden had a significant advantage.

“No, I think I am the one without experience. I have just been doing this for a few years. He has been doing this for 47 years plus,” said Mr Trump.

“I mean, he has a tremendous advantageous really, if you think about it, but I have a much better record than he does.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/2020-election-trump-claims-first-192621187.html
Biden's 'success' will depend largely on how well he exposes Trump's lies...
"Success" is going to be a bit odd to measure -- because I think that this election (and thus this debate) is really about turning out your base, rather than winning moderates.

+ There just aren't many moderates left. People either despise Trump or love him. The extreme stability of the polls is testament to this.

+ Voting is going to be weird this year, in the age of Corona. Mail in voting is up, early voting is up. Threats of violence are up. The uncertainty in turnout seems much bigger than in previous years.
It's always great to show the world that we're going to most likely be led by an incompetent regardless of which one wins the election. rolleyes
Originally Posted By: Bull_Dawg
It's always great to show the world that we're going to most likely be led by an incompetent regardless of which one wins the election. rolleyes


Most of the rest of the (western) world does not view the US election that way.
Originally Posted By: Lyuokdea
Originally Posted By: Bull_Dawg
It's always great to show the world that we're going to most likely be led by an incompetent regardless of which one wins the election. rolleyes


Most of the rest of the (western) world does not view the US election that way.


We'll see what they think after listening to Biden and Trump speak extemporaneously.
First question to Joe: Joe, are you comfortable?

Joe, with his steely, narrowed eyes: Well, I mean, I'm here in the basement (aside: Joe, no, you aren't) I mean, corn pop was a bad dude, and I had a length of chain and, while wearing a mask, Ronald Trump, and, I mean, Russia, and, you know the deal, but......oh, I'm out of time."

Mr. president, your first question: Can you explain quantum physics in 12 words or less.
You can poke fun at Trump, but do you really think Chris Wallace is going to play fair? Seriously?
Posted By: Jester Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/25/20 01:46 AM
I have no reason to expect that he won't. But we can certainly discuss afterwards.
Okay, but history has to mean something.
Posted By: Jester Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/25/20 02:19 AM
Feel free to enlighten me on that history. I honestly have no idea to what you are referring.
Here is a search page. Feel free to watch the videos and read the various articles.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=chris+wallace+slams+trump
Posted By: Jester Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/25/20 02:24 AM
Thanks, I will look at them tomorrow.
Approaching my bedtime
thumbsup
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg


Mr. president, your first question: Can you explain quantum physics in 12 words or less.


A stable genius could answer that in 10 words or less. What’s the problem?
Posted By: Swish Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/25/20 12:57 PM
Go ahead and keep lowering the bar for Biden. It already backfired once for Trump, and now we see them trying to praise Biden before the debate because they failed in trying to cast him as a mentally unfit person.

ESPECIALLY when the country isn’t ignoring the massive amount of gaffes from trump.
Originally Posted By: bbrowns32
Biden's 'success' will depend largely on how well he exposes Trump's lies...



If Biden doesn't fall asleep at the debate our Media will instantly declare him the winner.
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted By: bbrowns32
Biden's 'success' will depend largely on how well he exposes Trump's lies...



If Biden doesn't fall asleep at the debate our Media will instantly declare him the winner.



Because that’d be all it took to beat Mr Bigly Words and his word salad narcissism babble.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/25/20 02:28 PM
I fully expect gaffs from Biden - mega lies and bully tactics from Trump: talking over Biden, not yielding his time, stomping around the stage when Biden is talking.

Each side will point to the flaws exhibited by the other and say their candidate is less flawed.
Honest question: how much do the debates actually influence voters?
Originally Posted By: dawglover05
Honest question: how much do the debates actually influence voters?


https://www.vox.com/2016/9/12/12847632/debates-trump-clinton-polls-political-science
Originally Posted By: dawglover05
Honest question: how much do the debates actually influence voters?


Unless there is a major revelation, I doubt they mean much. By now, pretty much everyone has made up their minds. I think!

I sure wish they'd allow instant fact checking. Pretty sure the Trump camp would never allow that.
Another thing about the debates (especially this year):

Already - 600k ballots have been received by states that allow early voting.

https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/index.html

Presumably this is a few days behind "ballots that have already been mailed" -- and maybe 1.5M or so people have voted already.

In key battlegrounds like Arizona/Florida/NC, only 20-30% of people plan to vote on election day:

https://twitter.com/AshleyKirzinger/status/1309540596982321152

A lot of votes are going to be locked in before the debates even occur.
And that tells us a lot. (seriously)
Living in a world where asking the president hard questions is a cause to consider it a bad thing and "not being fair".
No.

Living in a world where 1 person is asked tough, loaded questions while the other person is tossed softballs is a bad thing, and not fair.

Need I show videos of Biden, reading a question from a board........his team put together for him, then reading from the teleprompter to answer it?
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg

Living in a world where 1 person is asked tough, loaded questions while the other person is tossed softballs is a bad thing, and not fair.


"Will you accept the results of the election?" is supposed to be the softball question.







Hey, did you know Joe's first wife, and his daughter, died in an accident caused by a drunk semi driver? Well, as sad as the deaths were..............there wasn't a drunk semi driver, regardless of what Joe said for years.
Originally Posted By: Lyuokdea
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg

Living in a world where 1 person is asked tough, loaded questions while the other person is tossed softballs is a bad thing, and not fair.


"Will you accept the results of the election?" is supposed to be the softball question.


Virginia counties see multiple absentee ballots sent to more than 1,000 voters

New election rules expanded absentee voting due to the coronavirus

More than 1,000 Virginia voters who applied for absentee ballots have received an extra one in the mail, state Republican Party officials said Friday.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virgini...han-1000-voters

Trump warned us!
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton announces 134 felony voter fraud charges in connection with 2018 Dem primary
The allegations include election fraud and mail-in ballot fraud


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-voter-fraud
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
No.

Living in a world where 1 person is asked tough, loaded questions while the other person is tossed softballs is a bad thing, and not fair.

Need I show videos of Biden, reading a question from a board........his team put together for him, then reading from the teleprompter to answer it?


Wait, are you up in arms because you "THINK" Biden will get softball questions? I mean, where did you get your inside info..

Seriously, we need instant on the spot fact checking....
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Virginia counties see multiple absentee ballots sent to more than 1,000 voters

New election rules expanded absentee voting due to the coronavirus

More than 1,000 Virginia voters who applied for absentee ballots have received an extra one in the mail, state Republican Party officials said Friday.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virgini...han-1000-voters

Trump warned us!


I received two absentee ballot applications as well. Unsolicited! tsktsk

So? It’s an application not a ballot. Throw it away with your other junk mail. Geez.
That would be awesome. Maybe corn pop will be there?

Maybe Joe will tell us a story about the drunk semi driver that killed his wife and daughter? Wait, that didn't happen, did it.

But yeah, we'll see Tuesday night, won't we.

40 plus years in office, and 8 as vp, and what's he accomplished?

Maybe he'll go all John Kerry on us and tell us how he was for rioting and looting before he was against it.

Maybe Joe will be slurring his words as he usually does these days. Who knows.

I bet we'll get a boatload of him riding Obama's coat tails though.
rofl
Biden isn't our president and can you show me where Chris Wallace has asked Biden softball questions? Because the assertion is it won't be fair because Chris Wallace is the moderator. Try and keep up better arch.
Ah, the old fallback that dems use all the time. This time it's "biden isn't the president", so he shouldn't be held accountable. Got it.

LMAO, but got it.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/25/20 08:41 PM
One of my employees is from Michigan. He's lived in Nevada for over 10 years.

He has received ballots from both states.
Lucky guy. He'll get to make his voice heard in both states!
Posted By: Jester Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/25/20 09:19 PM
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
No.

Living in a world where 1 person is asked tough, loaded questions while the other person is tossed softballs is a bad thing, and not fair.

Need I show videos of Biden, reading a question from a board........his team put together for him, then reading from the teleprompter to answer it?


Wait, are you up in arms because you "THINK" Biden will get softball questions? I mean, where did you get your inside info..

Seriously, we need instant on the spot fact checking....



Well trump did say that the debate would be unfair so it must be true. Right?
Originally Posted By: Jester
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
No.

Living in a world where 1 person is asked tough, loaded questions while the other person is tossed softballs is a bad thing, and not fair.

Need I show videos of Biden, reading a question from a board........his team put together for him, then reading from the teleprompter to answer it?


Wait, are you up in arms because you "THINK" Biden will get softball questions? I mean, where did you get your inside info..

Seriously, we need instant on the spot fact checking....



Well trump did say that the debate would be unfair so it must be true. Right?


It would only be fair to Trump if the moderator was Hannity or Carlson... notallthere
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg


Maybe Joe will be slurring his words as he usually does these days. Who knows.



The media has it covered...

Originally Posted By: bbrowns32
Originally Posted By: Jester
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
No.

Living in a world where 1 person is asked tough, loaded questions while the other person is tossed softballs is a bad thing, and not fair.

Need I show videos of Biden, reading a question from a board........his team put together for him, then reading from the teleprompter to answer it?


Wait, are you up in arms because you "THINK" Biden will get softball questions? I mean, where did you get your inside info..

Seriously, we need instant on the spot fact checking....



Well trump did say that the debate would be unfair so it must be true. Right?


It would only be fair to Trump if the moderator was Hannity or Carlson... notallthere

Not even close, how about Levin or Seculo. >> notallthere
Well this thread was fun but we all know hiden Biden will coward out and not debate. Excuses to come...
Sadly you are wrong, there is going to be a debate and Trump is going to look terrible in it, he can hardly defend his stances if faced with all the liars' lies demanding they are true. When they are not.

But look. It's terrible topics, I could pretty much see the mods tossing the debate to Biden without Biden saying a word.

See, from the lying fake newsies' perspectives'

Topic, past record, Trump, indefensible- porn star, e-extra bus comments, apartment management,
vs.
Biden, extended voting rights act, beat up corn pop? rofl

Topic 2, integrity of the election.
Biden,- sure you want everyone to vote, even endless ballots, like millions of cars with keys in the iginition doesn't lead to car theft, same as endless blank ballots in every state doesn't prove voter fraud

Trump- you said you wouldn't leave if you lose the vote count by endless fake votes, sounds like u try to scare americans.

Topic 3, the economy,
Biden, nice job of you and ole Bummer' bringing back the economy 1% over 7 years, I mean those jobs were never going to come back again anyway, and 0.00001 percent growth is much better than, what you did at the start, you know
The start where you sank the nation in 2008 from the time you won the nomination--- that was all Bush's fault hahahahaha

Oh, and Trump, You suck, because Covid = losss of jobs, must be your fault, even though it's the governors and democrats that intend on shutting the economy down and keeping it shut forever while everybody hides in their basement in deleware.
Delaware Basement party Woo HOO! ends at 6:30pm bedtime.

Next topic, covid 19, trump, why did you tell all your followers to drink bleach and inject hydro-z pack into their veins,
Biden, you think folks should die of covid?

Next topic,
Race and violence in our cities.
Trump, What do you think? Nevermind we don't care
Biden, how about those cities, ? "this is trumps America"

Next topic are we done?
The Supreme Court? (Trump you are a dummy all your picks are dumb, your party did one thing and now another thing?
Biden, "How you like standing up vs laying in bed?" Ahem, I mean, " How about Trump?" "Yeah he didn't nominate Garfield/ Garlock/ .

"Garland?"
"yeah Griffey"


Bad topics,

Missing topics, Terrorism, the southern border,
Healthcare? Taxes?
The Military?
Jobs?
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg







Hey, did you know Joe's first wife, and his daughter, died in an accident caused by a drunk semi driver? Well, as sad as the deaths were..............there wasn't a drunk semi driver, regardless of what Joe said for years.


Well we know what he meant...
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
No.

Living in a world where 1 person is asked tough, loaded questions while the other person is tossed softballs is a bad thing, and not fair.

Need I show videos of Biden, reading a question from a board........his team put together for him, then reading from the teleprompter to answer it?


Actually once again you got nothing.

Do you comprehend that the entire thread is predicated on the claim that it's Chris Wallace is not fair to Trump? For you to "have anything" to substantiate that you would have to have examples of Chris Wallace asking Biden as you call them, "softball questions"?

But of course you like to veer off into something totally different to defend Pocapornstar.
Me, veer off? Dude, you are a master of changing topics and discussion. I commend you for it.
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
Me, veer off? Dude, you are a master of changing topics and discussion. I commend you for it.


I wonder if he hangs the masters degree of deflection on his wall. It's the only award he's ever won.
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
Me, veer off? Dude, you are a master of changing topics and discussion. I commend you for it.


So now you're claim is, "You did it so I did too". Way to go Elmer!
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
Me, veer off? Dude, you are a master of changing topics and discussion. I commend you for it.


So now you're claim is, "You did it so I did too". Way to go Elmer!


If evidence can't prove it to you, well, LWL. You do the exact same thing, 10 times daily.
So you have no answer then. The claim is that the debate will not be fair because Wallace asks Trump tough questions. You have no evidence that Wallace has interviewed or asked Biden softball questions.

So now you just keep up your best Elmer impression.
We'll find out Tuesday night.
I agree. I simply thought it was not credible to say it wouldn't be fair because Chis Wallace hasn't interviewed Biden. He is a tough interviewer. I doubt he will take it easy on Biden or Pocapornstar. At least I hope not. I hope he is equally tough on both candidates.
Posted By: BpG Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/28/20 02:27 PM
Originally Posted By: dawglover05
Honest question: how much do the debates actually influence voters?


Sound bites, very dumb comments, meme's all should not be underestimated.
Especially memes, that seems to be the new bar for informed voting.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/28/20 03:05 PM
That's the saddest thing I've read around here in a long time.
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
We'll find out Tuesday night.


Yes agreed.

I have no idea which Joe Biden will show up for the debate. And I have no idea how President Donald Trump will respond to whichever Biden appears on stage.
But my hat is off to Biden for looking like he will show up.
All you have to do is look at each campaigns respective platforms on their website.

Hillary ran on “hey, I’m not trump” and now Trump is running in “hey, I’m not Biden.”

Biden has presented tons of policy. Trump has offered up pseudoscience.

You know what’s coming.
j/c...

Anyone else find it funny, that they say "Meet USA TODAY's team of experts:" then have a picture of Biden and Trump. tongue


Sorry found it amusing.
What I find funny/sad is how the media says things like "we'll be fact checking." They will "fact check" to bolster their agenda. Too bad they don't "fact check" themselves.

Personally, I think the bias of media outlets is an enormous problem for this country.
j/c...

Some prop bets for tonight:

Who will take the first sip of water:
Biden (-160) or Trump (+120)

What will Trump say first:
Sleepy Joe (-275) or Phony Kamala (+270)

What will Biden say first:
Scranton (-275) or Malarkey (+270)

What will be said first by either Biden or Trump (Social Topics):
Protest (+200), Racism (+200), Police (+300), Violence (+300) or Black Lives Matter (+600)

What will Trump say first:
Fake News (-215) or China Virus (+160)

What will be said first Biden or Trump (Legislative Issues):
Ginsburg (+150), Obamacare (+260), ACA (+300), Barrett (+375) and Roe V. Wade (+750)

What will be said first by Trump or Biden (Social Issues):

Ballots (+160), Mail-in (+175), Rigged (+350), Fraud (+500) or Post Office (+500)

Happy betting!
Facts do matter. Sadly Pocapornstar rarely states actual facts. It's usually a bunch of propaganda and BS. Sadly you seem to have placed yourself and your principals on ignore. At least until after the election.
I don't think I'll be tuning in tonight... it will be like watching paint dry IMHO. Trump lying, Biden trying... BUT i do wonder if it will get heated enough that Biden calls Trump 'jack' at some point.
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Facts do matter.


So do you think they will ask Biden about the fact he plagiarized this when running for president in '88?

Neil Kinnock's speech, delivered to a Welsh Labour Party conference on May 15, 1987, and then rebroadcast during the UK 1987 general election, made reference to his background and that of his wife Glenys. It included the lines:

Why am I the first Kinnock in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? [Pointing to his wife in the audience:] Why is Glenys the first woman in her family in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? Was it because all our predecessors were thick?

Biden's speech made reference to himself and his wife Jill, and included the lines:

I started thinking as I was coming over here, why is it that Joe Biden is the first in his family ever to go to a university? [Pointing to his wife in the audience:] Why is it that my wife who is sitting out there in the audience is the first in her family to ever go to college? Is it because our fathers and mothers were not bright? Is it because I'm the first Biden in a thousand generations to get a college and a graduate degree that I was smarter than the rest?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_1988_presidential_campaign

And more...
Sure. Right after they ask Pocapornstar about all the women he has paid off not to tell anyone he had sex with them.
Perhaps they will ask him about this BS...

Joe Biden, weighing a 2020 White House bid, once advocated continued school segregation in the United States, arguing that it benefited minorities and that integration would prevent black people from embracing “their own identity.”

Biden was speaking in 1975, when he opposed the federally mandated busing policy designed to end segregation in schools. In the past few decades, he has claimed he wanted desegregation but believed the policy of busing would not achieve it. Last year, he stated he had voted heroically to protect busing.

In 2008, after being chosen as Barack Obama's vice-presidential running mate he said: "The struggle for civil rights was the animating political element of my life." He appears poised to make his civil rights record a centerpiece of any campaign, telling an audience in Fort Lauderdale this week that "I came out of the civil rights movement. He added that he first became aware of what an "awful thing" segregation was as a third grader[/color], when he asked his mother why a bus was taking black children to a school away from where they lived.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/polit...-of-black-pride
So now you're trying to say he should have advocated for the federal government to control school busing rather than local governments to do it. Because that's actually what you're bringing up here. But nice try. Feeble, weak and wrong, but nice try Kamala.
Perhaps you can make excuses for this...

User Clip: Joe Biden Lies About His College & High School Record
Already staggered by plagiarism allegations, on April 7, 1987 Biden lied about his high school and college record. A man named "Frank" asked Biden about his education and and agitated Biden responded "I think I probably have a higher IQ than you do" and claimed he was an "outstanding political science student" (lie), that he graduated with "three degrees" (lie), and that he "graduated in the top half of his laws school class (lie)

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4821169/user-clip-joe-biden-lies-college-high-school-record
They won't hear it, they won't watch it, they are in denial of what Biden really is.

There is also a vid of Biden Plagiarizing Bobby Kennedy and JFK.
Sources like the Washington post no less.

Guy has a serious problem or perhaps he is just stupid.
Joe Biden Reverses Course, Declines to Have Ears Inspected Pre-Debate Despite Agreeing Days Ago



Joe Biden’s (D) team has reportedly rejected the Trump campaign’s request to have the former vice president’s ears inspected for an electronic device prior to Tuesday night’s debate despite agreeing to the proposal just days ago.

President Trump’s campaign has requested that a third party inspect the ears of both candidates for listening devices ahead of the first presidential debate in Cleveland, Ohio. While Trump has agreed to the request, the Biden campaign, at the time of this writing, has reportedly declined the request. That represents a drastic shift for the former vice president’s campaign, which reportedly agreed to the request just days ago.

“Joe Biden’s campaign agreed to an inspection for electronic ear pieces at tonight’s debate several days ago but are now declining, a source familiar tells me,” the New York Post’s Ebony Bowden reported. Tim Murtaugh, the Trump campaign’s director of communications, confirmed the report:

According to reports, Biden’s team also requested breaks every 30 minutes — a request that was ultimately denied.

Over the weekend, Trump also requested that Biden undergo a drug test, either before or after the debate, citing the former vice president’s “uneven” debate performances. Biden’s campaign sharply dismissed the request and stated that the Democrat presidential hopeful “intends to deliver his debate answers in words.”

“Joe Biden’s handlers several days ago agreed to a pre-debate inspection for electronic earpieces but today abruptly reversed themselves and declined,” Murtaugh said in a statement.

“Biden’s handlers have asked for multiple breaks during the debate, which President Trump doesn’t need, so we have rejected that request,” he continued.

“On top of the refusal to take a drug test, it seems pretty obvious that the Biden team is looking for any safety net they can find in the hours leading up to the debate. With his 47 years as a failed Washington politician, how much help does Biden want?” he asked.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/...eeing-days-ago/
Posted By: mgh888 Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/29/20 07:52 PM
Originally Posted By: fishtheice


On top of the refusal to take a drug test, it seems pretty obvious that the Biden team is looking for any safety net they can find in the hours leading up to the debate.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/...eeing-days-ago/


rofl
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/29/20 07:52 PM
We'll know, when expecting to give an answer to a question, Biden puts his hand over his ear and states,"what, repeat it, I didn't understand that?".
Posted By: mgh888 Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/29/20 07:53 PM
Joe Biden's "Handlers" say that if Trump will agree to be hooked up to a Polygraph / Lie detector he'll agree to have his ears tested.
I can see 40 accepts that Biden is going to win this election.

I can't wait to get back to arguing fiscal policy on taxing corporations.
Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Biden’s campaign sharply dismissed the request and stated that the Democrat presidential hopeful “intends to deliver his debate answers in words.”



So, he's going to deliver - or, intends to deliver, his debate answers in words?

Well, he's got that going for him.
Biden could say 1+1=6 and you'd think he won.
rofl
Originally Posted By: Milk Man
j/c...

Some prop bets for tonight:

Who will take the first sip of water:
Biden (-160) or Trump (+120)

What will Trump say first:
Sleepy Joe (-275) or Phony Kamala (+270)

What will Biden say first:
Scranton (-275) or Malarkey (+270)

What will be said first by either Biden or Trump (Social Topics):
Protest (+200), Racism (+200), Police (+300), Violence (+300) or Black Lives Matter (+600)

What will Trump say first:
Fake News (-215) or China Virus (+160)

What will be said first Biden or Trump (Legislative Issues):
Ginsburg (+150), Obamacare (+260), ACA (+300), Barrett (+375) and Roe V. Wade (+750)

What will be said first by Trump or Biden (Social Issues):

Ballots (+160), Mail-in (+175), Rigged (+350), Fraud (+500) or Post Office (+500)

Happy betting!


Which sideshow act will trump use one of his tickets on-I am guessing Tara Reade
Is there anything on number of hands used to drink water?
Posted By: GMdawg Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/29/20 09:56 PM
Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
I can see 40 accepts that Biden is going to win this election.

I can't wait to get back to arguing fiscal policy on taxing corporations.


What I find interesting is that you and others think Biden will win based on the polls. However during the last election so many folks claimed with 100 percent accuracty that the polls were dead on when in fact they were so far off that it's not funny.
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
I can see 40 accepts that Biden is going to win this election.

I can't wait to get back to arguing fiscal policy on taxing corporations.


What I find interesting is that you and others think Biden will win based on the polls. However during the last election so many folks claimed with 100 percent accuracty that the polls were dead on when in fact they were so far off that it's not funny.


The polls last year (at least, from 538) were not the problem. They gave Trump a 28.6% chance to win on election day — which is not small at all....

I agree that there were many pundits who declared it a 100% Hilary victory.... many “election experts” ate crow.

On the other hand — the day before the 1st debate, Hilary was beating Trump by 1.6% in the national average. Currently Biden is beating Trump by 7.0%. Hilary did get up to a nearly 7% lead right before the 3rd debate (when the “grab them by the pu**y” tape leaked).

According to Upshot, even if the polls were as wrong as they were in 2016, Biden would still claim a (narrow) victory.

So yes, lots of things can still happen - but Biden is in a stronger position than Hilary was.
Posted By: GMdawg Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/29/20 10:14 PM
Biden is winning in some polls, and he is losing in other polls. For some stupid reason some folks think polls mean something. It has been proven time after time that the polls listed in the press are not correct.
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Biden is winning in some polls, and he is losing in other polls. For some stupid reason some folks think polls mean something. It has been proven time after time that the polls listed in the press are not correct.


I don’t think that’s true. The polls over the last few election cycles have been pretty accurate.

People have a bad conception of what “Margin of Error” means.

But if you were All-in in Hold’em, and needed a heart on the river to hit your flush (around a 25% chance depending on the cards that are out) — you wouldn’t get up and walk away from the table.

The polls gave Trump a 28% chance of winning on election day in 2016 — they weren’t near as far off as some people think they were.
Posted By: Jester Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/29/20 11:17 PM
Plus, if I am not mistaken, the national polls had hilary winning ut it you broke it down by electoral college, it was really 50-50 the week leading up to the election
I remember it going something like this...

Posted By: Jester Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 12:05 AM
The date on that video is Nov 22, 2016. After the election. So they took every wrong prediction from the whole process and put it together. Many comedians trying to be funny.

Point 1: I said the week leading up to Election Day.

Point 2: Many of the clips called trump a clown. I have a hard time saying they were wrong about that.
Very surprised Biden showed up in person. Didn't think he would.

Was told he requested breaks and has an earpiece in. Will Biden say he wants to defund the police? rofl He better get it together, that stuff doesn't fly with moderates.
j/c:

I think we should revive some of the posts from June--October of 2016. I remember getting on posters for being so sure about Hillary's victory and to stop the hate talk because it would only alienate the people in the middle.
Posted By: Swish Re: The1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 12:29 AM
So, a friendly reminder to the board that trump has now had 3 different campaign managers arrested.
Another friendly reminder......there was a dude who was bragging about how Hillary was going to trounce Trump, then he did not vote, then he has whined for four straight years, now he isn't going to watch the debate.

But, I bet he comes on here later tonight and/or tomorrow and starts trashing the things Trump said.

This is said w/good humor, Dems........So, don't get mad, because you know it's true...and funny. grin
j/c...

Sleepy Joe!


Pack it up. Trump won.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:11 AM
damn trump went straight to socialist.

lmfao
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:12 AM
Would someone tell AOC that BIDEN is the democrat party! LOL
These whataboutisms.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:13 AM
what, trump claimed he nominated her for pro life views, yet we dont know her view?

lol ok.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:14 AM
Trump already panicking over healthcare.
What. A. Child.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:15 AM
Chris is hitting him with the facts in his question and Trump is already lashing out.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:17 AM
wow Trump. dude chill.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:18 AM
Both should chill. Both these guys are losers.

Damn funny to watch though.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:18 AM
lol Biden called him a clown hahahahahahahahahaha
this is like three 5 year olds... this is the best America can give us?
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:19 AM
Originally Posted By: jaybird
this is like three 5 year olds... this is the best America can give us?


nah, stop that. only one dude on stage right now is lashing out. only one.
Goodness, both these guys are clowns!
Originally Posted By: Swish
Originally Posted By: jaybird
this is like three 5 year olds... this is the best America can give us?


nah, stop that. only one dude on stage right now is lashing out. only one.


I disagree... I do think Trump is ridiculous... but both these candidates can't be the best America has... I felt like last election all we had was clowns... this is 1000x worse... doesn't matter who gets elected...
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:23 AM
hit em with the facts on COVID, joe!
How hard would it be to mute the mics so both could talk?
WHATABOUT WHATABOUT WHATABOUT
Trump made a HUGE point: The media belittles him, and praises biden.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:27 AM
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
Trump made a HUGE point: The media belittles him, and praises biden.


because trump gives them plenty to belittle him over.

pretty simple.
Okay................this thread is going to be commented on by preexisting beliefs.

Y'all suck!
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:29 AM
the debate is about preexisting beliefs. just stop it.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:29 AM
Biden killin this clown right now.
“That was sarcasm!”

Man, receipts are fun.
Originally Posted By: Swish
Biden killin this clown right now.


Biden ain't killin' nothin'.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:31 AM
There’s millions of scientists, there’s thousands of scientists. Well, there’s at least 3.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:31 AM
dont use smart me with me!

lmfao omg
Pelosi and Schumer have a plan. That's reassuring.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:33 AM
Gotta admit, Joe’s makeup person did a great job with the age spots.
It’s really a shame that the Democrats didn’t have a stronger candidate. Trump is an embarrassment, a dangerous embarrassment. Biden isn’t doing a great job, at least yet, but Trump is a nightmare. He literally makes me sick. The fact that anyone can vote for him with a clear conscience, is beyond me.
j/c:

These two guys remind me of boys in middle school and some of the posters on this board who display the same emotional intelligence. It's embarrassing.
Originally Posted By: JulesDawg
It’s really a shame that the Democrats didn’t have a stronger candidate. Trump is an embarrassment, a dangerous embarrassment. Biden isn’t doing a great job, at least yet, but Trump is a nightmare. He literally makes me sick. The fact that anyone can vote for him with a clear conscience, is beyond me.


totally agree.. I felt that way last election too... coultnd believe trump won the primary and then was saddened that Clinton was the best the left could come up with...

I think thats the saddest for me over the last 4 years... that these are the candidates that we're left with...
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:35 AM
I feel sorry for Chris Wallace.
One of them claims they did more for black Americans than anyone else in the history of the country. There is also a poster on here who says he’s done more than any black American on this forum for black Americans.

You may be onto something.
Trump needs to stop talking about COVID. He's getting his ass handed to him.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:39 AM
The first 30 minutes is over. Everyone in this travesty, suck. The American people lose.

What a shame.
This debate is an embarrassment.

I did have to laugh when Biden said "The 200 mill.....thousand that have died under Trump's watch, how many have survived?"
wow... trump bringing back big ten football... ridiculous...
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:42 AM
man this debate is entertaining
Jesus. You have no limits on how low you can stoop to.

I'll leave the thread. I don't want to be anywhere near you and your disgusting rhetoric.
Originally Posted By: Swish
man this debate is entertaining


Debate?? I would use that term loosely here.
It is entertaining.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:43 AM
"you'll see it as soon as its finished"

this is why people make a big deal about his returns. its nothing but excuse after excuse after excuse.
Originally Posted By: Swish
"you'll see it as soon as its finished"

this is why people make a big deal about his returns. its nothing but excuse after excuse after excuse.


I do agree with trump about Biden being in 47 government for 47 year... if he doesn't like how Trump used the tax code why did Biden allow it for 47 years?
When you say something, make sure you’re willing to stand by your words.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:47 AM
Originally Posted By: jaybird
Originally Posted By: Swish
"you'll see it as soon as its finished"

this is why people make a big deal about his returns. its nothing but excuse after excuse after excuse.


I do agree with trump about Biden being in 47 government for 47 year... if he doesn't like how Trump used the tax code why did Biden allow it for 47 years?


you do know some of trump's schemes are under investigation, correct?
I love that Chris Wallace is actually trying to make them answer the question that was asked directly. Most times the moderators are way too weak. He has not been completely successful but better than any moderator in any debate that I have seen.

And he seems to be fairly impartial to me.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:47 AM
Chris hitting him with the facts on the economy.
Biden is against re-opening?
Chris is doing a very good job given what he has to deal with here.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:49 AM
C’mon Trump, bring up Hunter, Bring up Hunter! LOL
Why is biden talking about 'mannnnnafacturing?
Biden would shut the US down for 5 years.
Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
When you say something, make sure you’re willing to stand by your words.


I do stand by it. What bothers me is that you find it impossible to believe and use what I have done as a political argument. Dude, you are disgusting!
And unemployment? Blaming Trump, for covid. Wanting to shut the economy down...........and blaming trump?
Originally Posted By: Swish
Originally Posted By: jaybird
Originally Posted By: Swish
"you'll see it as soon as its finished"

this is why people make a big deal about his returns. its nothing but excuse after excuse after excuse.


I do agree with trump about Biden being in 47 government for 47 year... if he doesn't like how Trump used the tax code why did Biden allow it for 47 years?



you do know some of trump's schemes are under investigation, correct?


of course... but I get sick of Biden getting up there saying he's going to fix this and fix that... he's been in government for 47 friggin years and wants to 'fix' some of the [censored] he helped break... it drives me nuts...

I'm a huge proponent of term limits... it's the only reason I wanted to vote for trump last time... to bring in someone who i thought was a buisness man who would approach the job a little differently and hopefully help the economy...

I personally hate biden's tax proposals... i like other things about him but hate his tax proposal.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:50 AM
wow, trump just dropped BS conspiracies during a presidential debate.
Originally Posted By: JulesDawg
Chris is doing a very good job given what he has to deal with here.


sure is trying his hardest...
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:51 AM
thats cool, i like his tax proposals.
Does anyone actually like any of these candidates? What on earth is this?
Originally Posted By: Swish
thats cool, i like his tax proposals.


No worries smile we're good friend...
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:52 AM
Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
Does anyone actually like any of these candidates? What on earth is this?


what? you openly support this dude. dont act brand new tonight.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:53 AM
Go Chris Go!

What should I be different then the two of you?

Brilliant! I
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:53 AM
what an embarrassment. even if biden wins, im still moving to Germany.
I will say, Wallace is being more fair than I feared he would. Thus far, anyway.
This debate is awful. Trump is awful. And Biden allows him to bait and calls him names. Biden didn’t rise above. I’m disappointed in him.
Originally Posted By: Swish
what an embarrassment. even if biden wins, im still moving to Germany.


I've been thinking Norway would be nice... or maybe St. Lucia...
I want to hear about Corn Pop.
Originally Posted By: pfm1963
Biden would shut the US down for 5 years.


Stop making stuff up
Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
Does anyone actually like any of these candidates?


No
Biden comes across as stupid.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:57 AM
Originally Posted By: pfm1963
Biden comes across as stupid.


As opposed to Chris Wallace, I’ll go with that.

Trump vs Biden, well this is ridiculous.
Originally Posted By: Swish
Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
Does anyone actually like any of these candidates? What on earth is this?


what? you openly support this dude. dont act brand new tonight.


So then you're a fan of everything you're seeing tonight then? If you support Biden you are also a joke. I've yet to hear policy issues being talked about.
Biden makes my skin crawl. He speaks like such a slimy creeper.
At this point, I would vote for Chris Wallace over either of these 2 candidates.
It's also not my problem you don't support the president of the United States. That is a personal issue.
I would vote for Tim Tebow, if he were eligible.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:03 AM
trump is such a joke.


^You can't unsee it.

Biden is stomping Trump.

Trump is acting a fool.

Both are talking over the other and saying many inappropriate things for a debate. Biden's have mostly been justifiable responses, but not all. Neither are acting Presidential.

Chris Wallace has done his best.

The contrast is stark between the two candidates. One is president material, the other is Trump.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:03 AM
Originally Posted By: Swish
trump is such a joke.



They’re both a joke, be honest.
It's neat that biden thinks he can all of a sudden, if he gets elected after having been in office for 47 years. (Or, as he stated in a video, 180 years, plus 10 years as v.p.)..........he can fix race? Racism? Nah, he wants votes.
Why aren't there younger, better candidates?
This is so embarrassing. I can’t believe that these are our two choices as president. I don’t know how anyone can openly support either candidate.

The fact that we are choosing solely based on “I’m not him”. Unbelievable.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:04 AM
and there it is. he brought up the suburbs again lmfao
Originally Posted By: OrangeCrush
At this point, I would vote for Chris Wallace over either of these 2 candidates.
GOPers would do good and maybe even get some lib votes to write in Wallace. Vers might even be in on that.
The entire world is going to see this. And laugh.
This entire debate is a dumpster fire.
Originally Posted By: TI84_Plus
The entire world is going to see this. And laugh.

The entire world has been laughing at Trump and the USA for the last 4 years. This won't change anything home or abroad.
And there are 2 more!!!
Originally Posted By: Swish
and there it is. he brought up the suburbs again lmfao


And Biden came back with: You wouldn't know a suburb unless you took a wrong turn.
That made me laugh out loud just a little bit.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:07 AM
I am so glad I’m not in a swing state and my vote basically means nothing in a presidential election.
So, biden just said trump was in favor of riots and violence???????????????????
I'm voting for Thomas Jefferson.
at this point Chris should just let em go...
Originally Posted By: jaybird
at this point Chris should just let em go...


brownie
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:10 AM
Chris just handed him the easiest alley oop every, and Trump STILL got hung at the rim.

just couldn't condemn the white supremacist losers. just couldnt do it.
They arent letting Trump have a rebuttal or even give an opinion.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:11 AM
Originally Posted By: EveDawg
They arent letting Trump have a rebuttal or even give an opinion.


yes he is.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:12 AM
Screw this. The sky is big and astrophotography is fun!
Originally Posted By: Swish
Originally Posted By: EveDawg
They arent letting Trump have a rebuttal or even give an opinion.


yes he is.



No he isnt.
Originally Posted By: Swish
Chris just handed him the easiest alley oop every, and Trump STILL got hung at the rim.

just couldn't condemn the white supremacist losers. just couldnt do it.


Wallace said the white supremacists and militia groups! Trump couldn't denounce either of them.
Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
I'm voting for Thomas Jefferson.


Wife was cleaning out closets........found a bunch of coins - silver dollars, dollar coins, 50 cent pieces from pre 1971, etc. I've been trying to find their value.

Not much is what I've found.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:13 AM
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: Swish
Chris just handed him the easiest alley oop every, and Trump STILL got hung at the rim.

just couldn't condemn the white supremacist losers. just couldnt do it.


Wallace said the white supremacists and militia groups! Trump couldn't denounce either of them.


Yes he did, sort of..
Wow.

What a patriotic president.
Originally Posted By: Tulsa
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: Swish
Chris just handed him the easiest alley oop every, and Trump STILL got hung at the rim.

just couldn't condemn the white supremacist losers. just couldnt do it.


Wallace said the white supremacists and militia groups! Trump couldn't denounce either of them.


Yes he did, sort of..


He either did or he didn't. I didn't see Trump denounce anyone. You can't be sort of fascist, you either are or your aren't.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:17 AM
You need to rewatch it again then.
serious question... haven't there been several arrests for people starting fires that have led to many of the forest fires on the west coast? if that's true then how is it climate changes' fault?
God, this is so freaking ugly.
Tree farms, lower than normal rainfall, etc.
I'm just going to put this here...

Y'all should've voted for Bernie, BOTH SIDES.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:21 AM
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
I'm just going to put this here...

Y'all should've voted for Bernie, BOTH SIDES.


rofl

Oh wait, you’re serious aren’t you?
Bernie Sanders is a communist.
that makes sense...

so i did a quick google search adn it looks like Cali hit their average for rain fall this year... last year was over their average by 4 inch... did look like they went through a stretch of about 5 years recently where they were below average...

http://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we13.php
"take out the cows!"
More conspiracy theory... the cows... 100 TRILLION... smh
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:26 AM
A steel cage match is what is needed here. Drop them both in, the winner gets the job.
Originally Posted By: Tulsa
A steel cage match is what is needed here. Drop them both in, the winner gets the job.


seriously... what just happened...
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:27 AM
Originally Posted By: jaybird
Originally Posted By: Tulsa
A steel cage match is what is needed here. Drop them both in, the winner gets the job.


seriously... what just happened...


Same you’ve been seeing all night. Neither one of them has a clue what they the hell they are talking about.
I saw twice that Trump told Biden, "You just lost the radical left".
Already sent my mail in ballot away.
Biden talking about how the green new deal would be good and then when asked he says "I do not support the green new deal."
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:28 AM
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
I saw twice that Trump told Biden, "You just lost the radical left".


Power of positive thinking.
Tulsi, Pete, or Yang would have made some respectable candidates. I feel like we are just watching two old ass senile idiots throwing out nothing but right is bad vs left is bad BS. Someone talk about what you’re actually going to do.
Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
Already sent my mail in ballot away.


I've had about a dozen formal looking letters or mail pieces with applications enclosed, including 3 from team Trump.
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
God, this is so freaking ugly.


That's a nice way to put it lol
Biden said he’d wait and call for peace.

Trump wouldn’t answer that question.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:39 AM
Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
Biden said he’d wait and call for peace.

Trump wouldn’t answer that question.


That would be of some value, if someone was willing to listen to him. Sadly neither of these gentlemen controls the mob.
Obvious win for Biden. I'd say most thinking people will agree.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:41 AM
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Obvious win for Biden. I'd say most thinking people will agree.


I can’t agree. I don’t think anyone won.

The American people lost. That’s all that was accomplished.
Live look at Chris Wallace backstage...

Who's going to want to moderate the next one? Grumpy old men on steroids.
I can also mostly agree with that except that some people trying to convince themselves to vote for Trump again might have changed their minds... others are pretty much set.
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
God, this is so freaking ugly.


Yep. I feel, truly, like I want to puke.
How did you feel when Trump used The Bible as a prop while clearing out peaceful protestors?

Was it similar to how you feel now?
Originally Posted By: jfanent
Who's going to want to moderate the next one? Grumpy old men on steroids.


Steve Scully of C-SPAN. He may or may not be on a ledge right now.
I think our country is f.....!

I listen to these clowns, the biased media on both sides, and juvenile posters on this board and I see nothing but trouble ahead.

I need more land and more guns.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:50 AM
at this point, i want to see a debate with both of them on drugs.

give them some adderall and a red bull and let them have at it next debate.
Leave YTown alone. He has the right to believe in what he believes. Attack me, but leave him alone!!!
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:51 AM
Van jones is correctly chewing trump out right now. absolutely deplorable.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:51 AM
The next debate should be moderated by Michael Buffer saying, Let’s Get Ready To Rumble!.
willynilly


But seriously, I feel you. If there must be one of them I hope it's not Trump, but I feel the same as you about the country.
Quote:
at this point, i want to see a debate with both of them on drugs.


Bro? They weren't on drugs?

Jesus man.............that was so freaking bad! It was almost like OCD and Riley debating. I seriously thought about showering after watching that crap-fest.

<<sigh>>
They needed to allow time for rebuttals and then they would not talk over each other so much. They tried to cram in too many topics and not allow a proper time for debate.
Yeah, we're blanked.
I wonder if Lincoln would like this debate.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:56 AM
i still dont understand why they were only given 2 minutes to answer when its only two of them standing up there.

3 minutes at least would've been far better.
Originally Posted By: Swish
at this point, i want to see a debate with both of them on drugs.

give them some adderall and a red bull and let them have at it next debate.


Being high didn't help me watch this one... just saying.

But if they do that they should make it a big time wrestling thing like "Midnight Massacre Cage Debate" so we could get them safe, hit record on the DVR, and then get a good night sleep.
Eve, both sucked w/decency. Trump was worse. They both made y skin crawl.
Originally Posted By: Swish
i still dont understand why they were only given 2 minutes to answer when its only two of them standing up there.

3 minutes at least would've been far better.


Ikr. How are they supposed to cover such broad topics in 2 minutes.
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg


Being high didn't help me watch this one...


Speaks volumes.
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Quote:
at this point, i want to see a debate with both of them on drugs.


Bro? They weren't on drugs?

Jesus man.............that was so freaking bad! It was almost like OCD and Riley debating. I seriously thought about showering after watching that crap-fest.

<<sigh>>


Excuse me? OCD and Riley? Bro that's low.
How many times did Biden say "here's the deal" ?
Sorry. I was going to say Perfect and Riley. LOL
Originally Posted By: EveDawg
They needed to allow time for rebuttals and then they would not talk over each other so much. They tried to cram in too many topics and not allow a proper time for debate.


i agree... felt way too short...
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg


Being high didn't help me watch this one...


Speaks volumes.


You should try it, it might loosen you up.

EDIT:

Hell I'm like the Willie Nelson flavored old coke commercial... I'd like to buy the world some bud and keep it company. I'd teach the world to roll and smoke in harmony. It's the real thing!
I prefer to not get drugged up on illegal stuff.


But, I'm glad you brag about it.
Originally Posted By: pfm1963
How many times did Biden say "here's the deal" ?


I actually thought Biden was lot more cohesive than what we expected based on the dementia reports. I don't think he has dementia. I thought he made some mistakes, but who doesn't? Also, he is getting up there. But overall, I thought he proved he is mentally competent. The right should drop that argument.
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
I prefer to not get drugged up on illegal stuff.


But, I'm glad you brag about it.


What illegal stuff? I have a prescription bro. No idea what you are talking about.
Prescription? I thought you can't get high from prescription cannabis.
Originally Posted By: Swish
at this point, i want to see a debate with both of them on drugs.

give them some adderall and a red bull and let them have at it next debate.


Bum fights revisited.
You were misinformed. The quality is generally much better than street weed. Strengths are regulated and noted on the labeling and provided to you before you order. They have 'no high' CBD strands but the higher end THC content strands are as stronger or stronger than anything that used to be widely available on the streets. So it will do the job from not high to completely rocked.
Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
How did you feel when Trump used The Bible as a prop while clearing out peaceful protestors?

Was it similar to how you feel now?


Yep.

You seem to think that I have a dog in this fight. I don't. I like some things Trump has done, and abhor others. I think he is a self-congratulating windbag. He is not going to be "told" anything by anyone.

Conversely, I also think that Biden is going to be a figurehead. I think that he is unwilling to take a position. When Trump asked him to promise not to try to pack the court, he said something along the line of "I'm not going to tell you any positions you can use against me." It was really weak.

Bleh. A pox on both their houses.
Sorry, this wasn’t meant to be an attack on your faith. It was a question so I’m sorry if it appeared any other way.

Thanks for being on record. I can respect this.
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Eve, both sucked w/decency. Trump was worse. They both made y skin crawl.


It was embarrassing for the country; I would not be shocked if the remaining two debates were cancelled. The Harris/Pence debate next week should be totally different...and perhaps even watchable.
No offense, but you don't live in the USA. I'm glad I live in this country rather than Canada. That is no disrespect towards your country, but I am pretty sick of you dissing my country.
Vers, surprisingly several of the panel talking heads on MSNBC said the same about America losing tonight and how ugly it was.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 03:22 AM
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
No offense, but you don't live in the USA. I'm glad I live in this country rather than Canada. That is no disrespect towards your country, but I am pretty sick of you dissing my country.



im sorry but lmao. stop acting like this country is somehow immune from criticism, from anybody.
Originally Posted By: jaybird
Originally Posted By: JulesDawg
It’s really a shame that the Democrats didn’t have a stronger candidate. Trump is an embarrassment, a dangerous embarrassment. Biden isn’t doing a great job, at least yet, but Trump is a nightmare. He literally makes me sick. The fact that anyone can vote for him with a clear conscience, is beyond me.


totally agree.. I felt that way last election too... coultnd believe trump won the primary and then was saddened that Clinton was the best the left could come up with...

I think thats the saddest for me over the last 4 years... that these are the candidates that we're left with...


I reposted Jules comments as they should be required reading and foremost in peoples minds as they fill out the ballot. Well said, Jules...
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Vers, surprisingly several of the panel talking heads on MSNBC said the same about America losing tonight and how ugly it was.


I never watch the pre or post-debate commentary. Thanks for letting me know.

We're a freaking mess.

We are so divided. We are ancient Rome when it was in its decline.
Originally Posted By: Swish
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
No offense, but you don't live in the USA. I'm glad I live in this country rather than Canada. That is no disrespect towards your country, but I am pretty sick of you dissing my country.



im sorry but lmao. stop acting like this country is somehow immune from criticism, from anybody.


What? That isn't how I am acting. I'm saying that I would rather live here than Canada.
You don't live in the USA, 32. Stop telling us how we should think.
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
... I am pretty sick of you dissing my country.


No, not the country, nor the office of the POTUS, but rather the person filling that position...
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
No offense, but you don't live in the USA. I'm glad I live in this country rather than Canada. That is no disrespect towards your country, but I am pretty sick of you dissing my country.



STOP!

He didn't dis your country! He just pointed out what the whole damn world watched. THE WORLD is affected by every American Presidential election and has been for at least a hundred years. He has every right to make any comment he wants and we should be inviting the input of non trolling people from other countries because they are a good source for less partisan feedback.
But, you don't live here. Your opinion means nothing.
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
You don't live in the USA, 32. Stop telling us how we should think.


When his actions only affect national matters...sure. However, they affect the world so it is fair game.
No, I won't stop. I asked you to stop w/your constant attacks on Trump. I said less is more. I tried to warn you that less is more. You did not listen. Let it be known...........guys like you, Pit, 666, Swish, Perfect, etc are the guys that made me look into things in a deeper manner.

So congrats, your hateful, biased comments actually led me to changing my votes from left to right.
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Vers, surprisingly several of the panel talking heads on MSNBC said the same about America losing tonight and how ugly it was.


I never watch the pre or post-debate commentary. Thanks for letting me know.

We're a freaking mess.

We are so divided. We are ancient Rome when it was in its decline.


Our Nero has been fiddling for almost 4 years, IMHO we are almost done and the decline start 40+ years ago.
Okay, don't stop. Don't ever beg for help again.
You are also condoning the actions of a white supremacist neo-nazi group. Quite on-brand from someone who think s they've done more for black Americans than the black Americans on this forum.
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Okay, don't stop. Don't ever beg for help again.


Huh? superconfused
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 03:39 AM
Originally Posted By: bbrowns32
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Okay, don't stop. Don't ever beg for help again.


Huh? superconfused


somebody was clearly hitting the sauce during the debate.
I do not view that group as white supremacist Neo-Nazi group.

And as far as who has done more for blacks on this board.....how about we go item for item on it? I have been consistent in that from what I have read on this board, I "believe" that I have done more than anyone else, but I never guaranteed it. I also have said that "circumstances" are WHY I have done more.

So, let's get it on, Mouth! You tell me what you have done or someone else has done and I will match you. Point by point by point. Let's go..........Mouth!

LOL........he will report me and I will probably get suspended, even though he has called me a racist and a fascist. And the worst one was when he said I wanted to burn crosses in black folks homes and while the post was deleted, he was NOT suspended.


j/c

This debate made me want to take a 30-minute shower... with hydrosulfuric acid.


Oh cool, so I still get to live rent free and I get a nickname.

Can I give nicknames to everyone else in the gang? If I'm the mouth, who's the brains?
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I do not view that group as white supremacist Neo-Nazi group.

And as far as who has done more for blacks on this board.....how about we go item for item on it? I have been consistent in that from what I have read on this board, I "believe" that I have done more than anyone else, but I never guaranteed it. I also have said that "circumstances" are WHY I have done more.

So, let's get it on, Mouth! You tell me what you have done or someone else has done and I will match you. Point by point by point. Let's go..........Mouth!

LOL........he will report me and I will probably get suspended, even though he has called me a racist and a fascist. And the worst one was when he said I wanted to burn crosses in black folks homes and while the post was deleted, he was NOT suspended.


I supported BLM and still do.
Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
j/c

This debate made me want to take a 30-minute shower... with hydrosulfuric acid.



Very disturbing. Didn't leave me with a warm-n-fuzzy feeling...
Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
j/c

This debate made me want to take a 30-minute shower... with hydrosulfuric acid.

A bubble bath? 'cause *ish gonna bubble.
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I do not view that group as white supremacist Neo-Nazi group.

And as far as who has done more for blacks on this board.....how about we go item for item on it? I have been consistent in that from what I have read on this board, I "believe" that I have done more than anyone else, but I never guaranteed it. I also have said that "circumstances" are WHY I have done more.

So, let's get it on, Mouth! You tell me what you have done or someone else has done and I will match you. Point by point by point. Let's go..........Mouth!

LOL........he will report me and I will probably get suspended, even though he has called me a racist and a fascist. And the worst one was when he said I wanted to burn crosses in black folks homes and while the post was deleted, he was NOT suspended.




That's rough Vers. You must feel like the whole world is out to get you. rolleyes
Didn’t change my mind. Still voting for Trump over Chris Wallace.
Great.
I disagree w/it, but I respect your right to your personal opinion.

The issue is that your side constantly bashes anyone who dares not completely agree w/you. Do you realize that you guys are the real reason why I changed my vote? I'm not kidding about that. I have never voted for a Republican in my life, but y'all are so biased and ugly.......I began to investigate and thus, changed my thinking.

Well done. Your hateful rhetoric on issue after issue is only resulting into turning people in the middle off.......just like it did in 2016.

You can call me names now, but that only further illustrates my point.

I tried warning you guys...........less is more. Don't become what you hate. Y'all chose to divide rather than unite. It's on you.
Originally Posted By: bbrowns32
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
You don't live in the USA, 32. Stop telling us how we should think.


When his actions only affect national matters...sure. However, they affect the world so it is fair game.


Some Canadians get carried away...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/22/canadian...rant-clown.html
Posted By: cle23 Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 03:59 AM
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
But, you don't live here. Your opinion means nothing.


You don't play in the NFL. Please don't talk about football anymore. Your opinion means nothing.

And back to the topic. Trump is terrifyingly pathetic. A toddler in a 73 year old body. And Biden is better, but I'm not sure by how much. How is this all we have?
Originally Posted By: TI84_Plus
The entire world is going to see this. And laugh.


Laugh...no! Terrified would be more appropriate...
Dawg- mere soap & water wasn't gonna do it....
[quote][You don't pay in the NFL. Please don't talk about football anymore. Your opinion means nothing./quote]

Pay?
Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Originally Posted By: bbrowns32
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
You don't live in the USA, 32. Stop telling us how we should think.


When his actions only affect national matters...sure. However, they affect the world so it is fair game.


Some Canadians get carried away...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/22/canadian...rant-clown.html



Her actions were indefensible. And it was Canadian singular, not plural...
Posted By: cle23 Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 04:05 AM
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
[quote][You don't pay in the NFL. Please don't talk about football anymore. Your opinion means nothing./quote]

Pay?





Typo. Pretty obvious.
Wait..............we disagree on this, but are you really backing these guys? They constantly bully people. They make fun of people all the time. They make stuff up all the time. And you are backing them?

Bro, I was a Dem.......but their bullying attacks helped change my mind on some things. Are you saying that you actually agree w/their tactics?
Are you saying I don't know football?
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Great.
I disagree w/it, but I respect your right to your personal opinion.

The issue is that your side constantly bashes anyone who dares not completely agree w/you. Do you realize that you guys are the real reason why I changed my vote? I'm not kidding about that. I have never voted for a Republican in my life, but y'all are so biased and ugly.......I began to investigate and thus, changed my thinking.

Well done. Your hateful rhetoric on issue after issue is only resulting into turning people in the middle off.......just like it did in 2016.

You can call me names now, but that only further illustrates my point.

I tried warning you guys...........less is more. Don't become what you hate. Y'all chose to divide rather than unite. It's on you.


Here, now you don't have to get one.

I don't get it.
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I don't get it.
If you don't know what a grip is, I can't help you further.
Posted By: cle23 Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 04:12 AM
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Are you saying I don't know football?


I'm making a comparison. You say a Canadian can't have an opinion on American politics. I'm saying you haven't played NFL football so you can't have an opinion on it. Both statements are equally ridiculous.
You think that football issues are equal to political issues? Seriously?
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Great.
I disagree w/it, but I respect your right to your personal opinion.

The issue is that your side constantly bashes anyone who dares not completely agree w/you. Do you realize that you guys are the real reason why I changed my vote? I'm not kidding about that. I have never voted for a Republican in my life, but y'all are so biased and ugly.......I began to investigate and thus, changed my thinking.

Well done. Your hateful rhetoric on issue after issue is only resulting into turning people in the middle off.......just like it did in 2016.

You can call me names now, but that only further illustrates my point.

I tried warning you guys...........less is more. Don't become what you hate. Y'all chose to divide rather than unite. It's on you.


Here, now you don't have to get one.



if you don't get what I was saying.................I can't help you.
Glad you figured it out.
Posted By: cle23 Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 04:33 AM
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
You think that football issues are equal to political issues? Seriously?


That's not at all what I said, but ok.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/ap-fact-check-claims-trump-020558218.html


AP FACT CHECK: False claims flood Trump-Biden debate

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump unleashed a torrent of fabrications and fear-mongering in a belligerent debate with Joe Biden, at one point claiming that the U.S. death toll would have been 10 times higher under the Democrat because he wanted open borders in the pandemic. Biden preached no such thing.

Trump barreled into the debate Tuesday night as unconstrained by the facts as at his rallies, but this time having his campaign opponent and frequently the Fox News moderator, Chris Wallace, calling him out in real time, or trying. Biden stumbled on the record at times as the angry words flew from both men on the Cleveland stage.

A look at how some of their statements from Cleveland stack up with the facts in the first of three scheduled presidential debates for the Nov. 3 election:

VIRUS DEATH TOLL

TRUMP, addressing Biden on U.S. deaths from COVID-19: “If you were here, it wouldn’t be 200,000 people, it would be 2 million people. You didn’t want me to ban China, which was heavily infected.... If we would have listened to you, the country would have been left wide open.”

THE FACTS: The audacious claim that Biden as president would have seen 2 million deaths rests on a false accusation. Biden never came out against Trump’s decision to restrict travel from China. Biden was slow in staking a position on the matter but when he did, he supported the restrictions. Biden never counseled leaving the country “wide open” in the face of the pandemic.

Trump repeatedly, and falsely, claims to have banned travel from China. He restricted it.

The U.S. restrictions that took effect Feb. 2 continued to allow travel to the U.S. from the Chinese territories of Hong Kong and Macao. The Associated Press reported that more than 8,000 Chinese and foreign nationals based in the two locales entered the U.S. in the first three months after the travel restrictions were imposed.

Additionally, more than 27,000 Americans returned from mainland China in the first month after the restrictions took effect. U.S. officials lost track of more than 1,600 of them who were supposed to be monitored for virus exposure.

Dozens of countries took similar steps to control travel from hot spots before or around the same time the U.S. did.

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PROTESTS

TRUMP: "The (Portland, Oregon) sheriff just came out today and he said I support President Trump.”

THE FACTS: That is false. The sheriff of Multnomah County, Oregon — where Portland is located — said he does not support Trump.

The sheriff, Mike Resse, tweeted: “As the Multnomah County Sheriff I have never supported Donald Trump and will never support him.”

Portland has been a flashpoint in the debate over racial injustice protests in the U.S. Police and federal agents have repeatedly clashed with demonstrators gathered outside the downtown federal courthouse and police buildings. Some protesters have thrown bricks, rocks and other projectiles at officers. Police and federal agents responded by firing tear gas, rubber bullets and other non-lethal ammunition to disperse the crowds.

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BIDEN: “There was a peaceful protest in front of the White House. What did he do? He came out of his bunker, had the military do tear gas.”

THE FACTS: It was law enforcement, not the military, that used chemical irritants to forcefully remove peaceful protesters from Lafayette Square outside the White House on June 1.

And there is no evidence President Trump was inside a bunker in the White House as that happened. Secret Service agents had rushed Trump to a White House bunker days earlier as hundreds of protesters gathered outside the executive mansion, some of them throwing rocks and tugging at police barricades.

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HEALTH CARE

TRUMP: “Drug prices will be coming down 80 or 90%.”

THE FACTS: That’s a promise, not a reality, and it’s a big stretch.

Trump has been unable to get legislation to lower drug prices through Congress. Major regulatory actions from his administration are still in the works, and are likely to be challenged in court.

There’s no plan on the horizon that would lower drug prices as dramatically as Trump claims.

Prescription drug price inflation has been low and slow during the Trump years, but it hasn’t made a U-turn and sped off in the other direction. Prices have seesawed from year to year.

Looking back at the totality of Trump’s term, from Jan. 2017, when he was inaugurated, to the latest data from Aug. 2020, drug prices went up 3.6%, according to an analysis by economist Paul Hughes-Cromwick of Altarum, a nonprofit research and consulting organization.

Hughes-Cromwick looked at figures from the government’s Bureau of Labor Statistics, which measures prices for a set of prescription medicines, including generics and branded drugs.

When comparing prices in 2019 with a year earlier, there indeed was a decline. Prices dropped by 0.2% in 2019, a turnabout not seen since the 1970s. But that’s nowhere near close to 80% or 90%.

From August of last year to this August, prices rose by 1.4%.

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VIRUS RESPONSE

TRUMP: Dr. Anthony Fauci “said very strongly, ‘masks are not good.’ Then he changed his mind, he said, ‘masks, good.’”

THE FACTS: He is skirting crucial context. Trump is telling the story in a way that leaves out key lessons learned as the coronavirus pandemic unfolded, raising doubts about the credibility of public health advice.

Early on in the outbreak, a number of public health officials urged everyday people not to use masks, fearing a run on already short supplies of personal protective equipment needed by doctors and nurses in hospitals.

But that changed as the highly contagious nature of the coronavirus became clear, as well as the fact that it can be spread by tiny droplets breathed into the air by people who may not display any symptoms.

Fauci of the National Institutes of Health, along with Dr. Robert Redfield of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr. Steven Hahn of the Food and Drug Administration and Dr. Deborah Birx of the White House coronavirus task force, all agree on the importance of wearing masks and practicing social distancing. Redfield has repeatedly said it could be as effective as a vaccine if people took that advice to heart.

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TRUMP, on coronavirus and his campaign rallies: “So far we have had no problem whatsoever. It’s outside, that’s a big difference according to the experts. We have tremendous crowds.”

THE FACTS: That’s not correct.

Trump held an indoor rally in Tulsa in late June, drawing both thousands of participants and large protests.

The Tulsa City-County Health Department director said the rally “likely contributed” to a dramatic surge in new coronavirus cases there. By the first week of July, Tulsa County was confirming more than 200 new daily cases, setting record highs. That’s more than twice the number the week before the rally.

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TRUMP, addressing Biden: “You didn’t do very well on the swine flu. H1N1. You were a disaster.”

THE FACTS: Trump frequently distorts what happened in the pandemic of 2009, which killed far fewer people in the United States than the coronavirus is killing now. For starters, Biden as vice president wasn’t running the federal response. And that response was faster out of the gate than when COVID-19 came to the U.S.

Then, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s flu surveillance network sounded the alarm after two children in California became the first people diagnosed with the new flu strain in this country.

About two weeks later, the Obama administration declared a public health emergency against H1N1, also known as the swine flu, and the CDC began releasing anti-flu drugs from the national stockpile to help hospitals get ready. In contrast, Trump declared a state of emergency in early March, seven weeks after the first U.S. case of COVID-19 was announced, and the country’s health system struggled for months with shortages of critical supplies and testing.

More than 200,000 people have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. The CDC puts the U.S. death toll from the 2009-2010 H1N1 pandemic at about 12,500.

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ECONOMY

BIDEN: Trump will be the “first (president) in American history” to lose jobs during his presidency.

THE FACTS: No, if Trump loses re-election, he would not be the first president in U.S. history to have lost jobs. That happened under Herbert Hoover, the president who lost the 1932 election to Franklin Roosevelt as the Great Depression caused massive job losses.

Official jobs records only go back to 1939 and, in that period, no president has ended his term with fewer jobs than when he began. Trump appears to be on track to have lost jobs during his first term, which would make him the first to do so since Hoover.

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VOTING

TRUMP, on the prospect of mass fraud in the vote-by-mail process, “It’s a rigged election.”

THE FACTS: He is exaggerating threats. Trump’s claim is part of a months-long effort to sow doubt about the integrity of the election before it’s even arrived and to preemptively call into question the results.

Experts have repeatedly said there are no signs of widespread fraud in mail balloting, as have the five states that relied exclusively on that system for voting even before the coronavirus pandemic. Trump’s own FBI director, Chris Wray, said at a congressional hearing just last week that the bureau has not historically seen “any kind of coordinated national voter fraud effort in a major election, whether it’s by mail or otherwise.”

Wray did acknowledge voter fraud at the local level “from time to time,” but even there, Trump appeared to paint an overly dire portrait of the reality and he misstated the facts of one particular case that received substantial attention last week following an unusual Justice Department announcement.

Trump said nine military ballots found discarded in a wastebasket in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, were all marked for him. Though that’s consistent with an initial statement the Justice Department made, officials later revised it to say seven of the nine ballots had Trump’s name.

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FOOTBALL

TRUMP: “I’m the one who brought back football. By the way, I brought back Big Ten football. It was me and I’m very happy to do it.”

THE FACTS: Better check the tape. While Trump had called for the Big Ten conference to hold its 2020 football season, he wasn’t the only one. Fans, students, athletes and college towns had also urged the conference to resume play.

When the Big Ten announced earlier this month that it reversed an earlier decision to cancel the season because of COVID-19, Trump tweeted his thanks: “It is my great honor to have helped!!!”

The conference includes several large universities in states that could prove pivotal in the election, including Pennsylvania, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio and Wisconsin.

___

SUPREME COURT

BIDEN, on Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett: “She thinks that the Affordable Care Act is not constitutional.”

THE FACTS: That’s not right.

Biden is talking about Trump’s pick to replace the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Barrett has been critical of the Obama-era law and the court decisions that have upheld it, but she has never said it’s not constitutional. The Supreme Court will hear arguments in the case on Nov. 10, and the Trump administration is asking the high court to rule the law unconstitutional.

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DELAWARE STATE

TRUMP: “You said you went to Delaware State, but you forgot the name of your college. You didn’t go to Delaware State. ... There’s nothing smart about you, Joe.”

THE FACTS: Trump is quoting Biden out of context. The former vice president, a graduate of the University of Delaware, did not say he attended Delaware State University but was making a broader point about his long-standing ties to the Black community.

Trump is referring to remarks Biden often says on the campaign, typically when speaking to Black audiences, that he “goes way back with HBCUs,” or historically Black universities and colleges. Biden has spoken many times over the years at Delaware State, a public HBCU in his home state, and the school says that’s where he first announced his bid for the Senate – his political start.

“I got started out of an HBCU, Delaware State — now, I don’t want to hear anything negative about Delaware State,” Biden told a town hall in Florence, South Carolina, in October 2019. “They’re my folks.”

Biden often touts his deep political ties to the Black community, occasionally saying he “grew up politically” or “got started politically” in the Black church. In front of some audiences, he’s omitted the word “politically,” but still with a clear context about his larger point. The statements are all part of standard section of his stump noting that Delaware has “the eighth largest Black population by percentage.”

A spokesman for the Delaware State University, Carlos Holmes, has said it took Biden’s comments to refer to his political start, saying that Biden announced his bid for the U.S. Senate on the DSU campus in 1972.

Biden’s broader point is push back on the idea that he’s a Johnny-Come-Lately with the Black community or that his political connections there are owed only to being Barack Obama’s vice president.

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CRIME

BIDEN: “The fact of the matter is violent crime went down 17%, 15%, in our administration.”

THE FACTS: That’s overstating it.

Overall, the number of violent crimes fell roughly 10% from 2008, the year before Biden took office as vice president, to 2016, his last full year in the office, according to data from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting program.

But the number of violent crimes was spiking again during Obama and Biden’s final two years in office, increasing by 8% from 2014 to 2016.

More people were slain across the U.S. in 2016, for example, than at any other point under the Obama administration.

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TRUMP: “If you look at what’s going on in Chicago, where 53 people were shot and eight died. If you look at New York where it’s going up like nobody’s ever seen anything … the numbers are going up 100 150, 200%, crime, it’s crazy what’s going on.”

THE FACTS: Not quite. The statistics in Chicago are true, but those numbers are only a small snapshot of crime in the city and the United States, and his strategy is highlighting how data can be easily molded to suit the moment. As for New York, Trump may have been talking about shootings. They are up in New York by about 93% so far this year, but overall crime is down about 1.5%. Murders are up 38%, but there were 327 killings compared with 236, still low compared with years past. For example, compared with a decade ago, crime is down 10 percent.

An FBI report released Monday for 2019 year of crime data found that violent crime has decreased over the past three years.

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Associated Press writers Josh Boak, Colleen Long, Ellen Knickmeyer, Mark Sherman, Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Bill Barrow, David Klepper, Amanda Seitz, Michael Balsamo and Eric Tucker contributed to this report.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/cnns-wolf-blitzer-wouldnt-surprised-034106835.html


CNN's Wolf Blitzer: 'I wouldn't be surprised if this was the last debate'
The Week
Kathryn Krawczyk
,The Week•September 29, 2020

Tuesday night's presidential debate may be this year's last.

That's what CNN's Wolf Blitzer speculated after President Trump and Democratic nominee Joe Biden's first faceoff of the election year. Biden and moderator Chris Wallace often couldn't finish their sentences before Trump jumped in, resulting in what Blitzer called an "embarrassment for the United States."

Jake Tapper kicked off CNN's post-debate breakdown, straightforwardly calling it a "hot mess inside a dumpster fire inside a train wreck." Host Dana Bash concurred, calling it a "[censored] show." "Clearly this was the most chaotic debate I've ever seen," Blitzer chimed in, adding that it "raises a lot of questions about the future of a presidential debate between these two candidates. I wouldn't be surprised, by the way, if this is the last presidential debate" between Biden and Trump.

Later, CNN's Daniel Dale did his best to describe an "avalanche of lying from President Trump" during the debate.


There's a video in the link that I cannot get posted over - just fyi
I like the idea someone mentioned earlier about the moderator beingableto mute their microphones. Kinda like on Around the Horn.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 12:04 PM
I thought it was overblown as far as the reaction, but these right wing losers on social media and others in militias a really took trumps “stand back and stand by” comments to heart.

This man couldn’t even denounce white supremacy on stage. He was given the easiest alley oop of the night. The EASIEST, but just couldn’t do it.

And yet we still got people who will vote for him. This man showed the entire world he’s a racist. If you’re voting for him, yea, I consider you a racist too.

This man is a card carrying racist and his supporters go “yea, that’s the kind of man who we should follow”.

Refs, you better go ahead and ban me now. Because now I’m going off on any and all trump supporters.

A vote for trump is a vote for white supremacy. And those who vote for white supremacy get no respect from me.
Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 12:17 PM
Proud Boys say they are 'standing down and standing by' after Trump's debate callout

https://news.yahoo.com/proud-boys-standing-down-standing-031200491.html

Support the worst of the worst, imma associate you with the worst of the worst.
Originally Posted By: Swish
Originally Posted By: bbrowns32
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Okay, don't stop. Don't ever beg for help again.


Huh? superconfused


somebody was clearly hitting the sauce during the debate.


Hey, leave me outta this. smile
Worst Debate ever..

Let's start with Chris Wallace... He's not strong enough to keep the candidates in Check.

Trump is a complete lunatic. A liar
I'm telling you, Dwayne Johnson is the answer for moderator.
Posted By: FATE Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:24 PM
Wolf Blitzer: "I wouldn't be surprised if this was the last debate"

A couple have mentioned it, but I feel like I'm stuck in a parallel universe... This couldn't be more simple - mute the freaking microphones.
Its a shame, in a country of brilliant and compassionate people, who truly want positive change and love the country, these are the two people we have to pick from. The two party system blows
Jesus will never forgive trump and his supporters. Why should we?
Originally Posted By: FATE
Wolf Blitzer: "I wouldn't be surprised if this was the last debate"

A couple have mentioned it, but I feel like I'm stuck in a parallel universe... This couldn't be more simple - mute the freaking microphones.



Loud mouth trump would still be yelling over Biden.
Posted By: FATE Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 01:34 PM
Originally Posted By: leadtheway
Its a shame, in a country of brilliant and compassionate people, who truly want positive change and love the country, these are the two people we have to pick from. The two party system blows

It's not the two party system as much as the corrupt structure of both. A third wouldn't help us. Puppet-masters on both sides pushing forth the candidate they can most control.

Didn't you watch all the real candidates QUIT two days before Super Tuesday and throw their support to "Joe"? If people can't see through that smokescreen, I don't know what to say.
j/c...

Originally Posted By: FATE
Originally Posted By: leadtheway
Its a shame, in a country of brilliant and compassionate people, who truly want positive change and love the country, these are the two people we have to pick from. The two party system blows

It's not the two party system as much as the corrupt structure of both. A third wouldn't help us. Puppet-masters on both sides pushing forth the candidate they can most control.

Didn't you watch all the real candidates QUIT two days before Super Tuesday and throw their support to "Joe"? If people can't see through that smokescreen, I don't know what to say.



Duh er ya .....we’ve gotta vote trump then brah. rofl pffft trump supporters.
Not sure how much it would've helped, but I think Wallace could've tightened up his questions a little bit. Periodically he tosses out these softball questions that you can tell is only going to encourage the stupid bickering. Some of these questions are just chum riling up the debaters.
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
No, I won't stop. I asked you to stop w/your constant attacks on Trump. I said less is more. I tried to warn you that less is more. You did not listen. Let it be known...........guys like you, Pit, 666, Swish, Perfect, etc are the guys that made me look into things in a deeper manner.

So congrats, your hateful, biased comments actually led me to changing my votes from left to right.


There is a lot to impact in this statment.

So your telling me some anonymous people on message board convinced you to change your political views from "left" to "right"??
Posted By: cle23 Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:09 PM
Originally Posted By: Lurker
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
No, I won't stop. I asked you to stop w/your constant attacks on Trump. I said less is more. I tried to warn you that less is more. You did not listen. Let it be known...........guys like you, Pit, 666, Swish, Perfect, etc are the guys that made me look into things in a deeper manner.

So congrats, your hateful, biased comments actually led me to changing my votes from left to right.


There is a lot to impact in this statment.

So your telling me some anonymous people on message board convinced you to change your political views from "left" to "right"??







All for "attacking" a President who does nothing but talk trash and give terrible, demeaning nicknames to his opposition. He switched sides because people were mean to a person who only praises himself and tries to put down every other person out there.
Originally Posted By: Lurker
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
No, I won't stop. I asked you to stop w/your constant attacks on Trump. I said less is more. I tried to warn you that less is more. You did not listen. Let it be known...........guys like you, Pit, 666, Swish, Perfect, etc are the guys that made me look into things in a deeper manner.

So congrats, your hateful, biased comments actually led me to changing my votes from left to right.


There is a lot to impact in this statment.

So your telling me some anonymous people on message board convinced you to change your political views from "left" to "right"??







We attack trump for the crap he says and does? And then his supporters say it’s because we exposed this potus for what he is that their going to vote for him. rofl Geez off the cliff they go. LOL at trump supporters.
Man. I can’t believe you all watched this garbage. I knew what it’d be, a crap fest. I went fishing. Just came here for the recap. I was right. Total crap fest. I had a beautiful day on the river. Didn’t catch a thing but my blood pressure was down. My mind mellowed. The sun was on my back. The cold water at my feet. I had an amazing day.
You all poisoned your minds with this nonsense?!
Yikes!
Posted By: FATE Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:15 PM
Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted By: FATE
Originally Posted By: leadtheway
Its a shame, in a country of brilliant and compassionate people, who truly want positive change and love the country, these are the two people we have to pick from. The two party system blows

It's not the two party system as much as the corrupt structure of both. A third wouldn't help us. Puppet-masters on both sides pushing forth the candidate they can most control.

Didn't you watch all the real candidates QUIT two days before Super Tuesday and throw their support to "Joe"? If people can't see through that smokescreen, I don't know what to say.



Duh er ya .....we’ve gotta vote trump then brah. rofl pffft trump supporters.

It has nothing to do with Trump supporters. The bigger picture is the Democratic party alienating their supporters. The effect of (what is perceived as) the party stealing the nomination from Sanders... two elections in a row... has soured the bulk of young liberal voters from voting for the "puppet du jour". I believe it will have a long-lasting effect. Blaming that on Trump supporters (no surprise) is pretty silly.
Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Originally Posted By: bbrowns32
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
You don't live in the USA, 32. Stop telling us how we should think.


When his actions only affect national matters...sure. However, they affect the world so it is fair game.


Some Canadians get carried away...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/22/canadian...rant-clown.html



Now now! Lets be respectful of how the Canadian leader behaves.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the world, I present Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada...

Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:21 PM
The Dems haven’t alienated their supporters. And after last night, it got strengthened even further.

Trump is a white supremacist.
What I saw in last night's debacle, uh, debate...

I saw Mrs. Biden the other day on tv saying, "Just watch and see the contrast between Trump and what a real president looks like."

Well, so much for that!

It was brutal and ugly, no one won but America lost.

I watched as our Half Lion/Half Bulldog President went toe to toe with an older, more frail, Half Lion/Half Bulldog challenger.

Not a good look for either.
Originally Posted By: FATE
Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted By: FATE
Originally Posted By: leadtheway
Its a shame, in a country of brilliant and compassionate people, who truly want positive change and love the country, these are the two people we have to pick from. The two party system blows

It's not the two party system as much as the corrupt structure of both. A third wouldn't help us. Puppet-masters on both sides pushing forth the candidate they can most control.

Didn't you watch all the real candidates QUIT two days before Super Tuesday and throw their support to "Joe"? If people can't see through that smokescreen, I don't know what to say.



Duh er ya .....we’ve gotta vote trump then brah. rofl pffft trump supporters.

It has nothing to do with Trump supporters. The bigger picture is the Democratic party alienating their supporters. The effect of (what is perceived as) the party stealing the nomination from Sanders... two elections in a row... has soured the bulk of young liberal voters from voting for the "puppet du jour". I believe it will have a long-lasting effect. Blaming that on Trump supporters (no surprise) is pretty silly.

Nah this is on trump and his racist supporters. The dems are in better shape than the crap show trump and his racist supporters are giving us. Their republican homes needs fumigated bigly. And y’all go off on the dems home. Pffft. You know what they say about glass houses right?
Originally Posted By: FATE
Originally Posted By: leadtheway
Its a shame, in a country of brilliant and compassionate people, who truly want positive change and love the country, these are the two people we have to pick from. The two party system blows

It's not the two party system as much as the corrupt structure of both. A third wouldn't help us. Puppet-masters on both sides pushing forth the candidate they can most control.

Didn't you watch all the real candidates QUIT two days before Super Tuesday and throw their support to "Joe"? If people can't see through that smokescreen, I don't know what to say.

Smokescreen? That was a moderate left reaction to the 'anti socialism' drum being beat on the right. Anything to stop Bernie.
Originally Posted By: Swish
The Dems haven’t alienated their supporters. And after last night, it got strengthened even further.

Trump is a white supremacist.


We heard Biden kill the Green New Deal.

We heard Biden refuse to denounce the Anarchists, so by your logic, that makes him an Anarchist.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:34 PM
Originally Posted By: Swish
The Dems haven’t alienated their supporters. And after last night, it got strengthened even further.

Trump is a white supremacist.


I heard earlier today the #1 search last night was moving to Canada. Most search’s came from Massachusetts. That’s probably not Trump supporters.
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
What I saw in last night's debacle, uh, debate...

I saw Mrs. Biden the other day on tv saying, "Just watch and see the contrast between Trump and what a real president looks like."

Well, so much for that!

It was brutal and ugly, no one won but America lost.

I watched as our Half Lion/Half Bulldog President went toe to toe with an older, more frail, Half Lion/Half Bulldog challenger.

Not a good look for either.


200,000+ American deaths on trump’s watch is not a good look for our bald/fat/racist/baby man of a President. (if we’re stooping to calling people names now, I’ll punch back.)

Posted By: Swish Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:41 PM
Originally Posted By: Tulsa
Originally Posted By: Swish
The Dems haven’t alienated their supporters. And after last night, it got strengthened even further.

Trump is a white supremacist.


I heard earlier today the #1 search last night was moving to Canada. Most search’s came from Massachusetts. That’s probably not Trump supporters.


you "heard"

you trump now? i'm hearing things!! many people are telling me!!
Sorry 40. I imagine you are having a bad day after Trump's meltdown last night. There were NOT two strong men on that stage last night. There was an unhinged Trump and everyone else was a victim of his bullying and nastiness. He was a disgusting hot mess and said some very concerning stuff.

But I'm sure you will eventually find a way to spin it lil' buddy. So good luck with that.
Posted By: FATE Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 02:46 PM
Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted By: FATE
Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted By: FATE
Originally Posted By: leadtheway
Its a shame, in a country of brilliant and compassionate people, who truly want positive change and love the country, these are the two people we have to pick from. The two party system blows

It's not the two party system as much as the corrupt structure of both. A third wouldn't help us. Puppet-masters on both sides pushing forth the candidate they can most control.

Didn't you watch all the real candidates QUIT two days before Super Tuesday and throw their support to "Joe"? If people can't see through that smokescreen, I don't know what to say.



Duh er ya .....we’ve gotta vote trump then brah. rofl pffft trump supporters.

It has nothing to do with Trump supporters. The bigger picture is the Democratic party alienating their supporters. The effect of (what is perceived as) the party stealing the nomination from Sanders... two elections in a row... has soured the bulk of young liberal voters from voting for the "puppet du jour". I believe it will have a long-lasting effect. Blaming that on Trump supporters (no surprise) is pretty silly.

Nah this is on trump and his racist supporters. The dems are in better shape than the crap show trump and his racist supporters are giving us. Their republican homes needs fumigated bigly. And y’all go off on the dems home. Pffft. You know what they say about glass houses right?

Yep. The fact that both parties produce puppets for candidates and "we the people" are constantly scratching our heads as to why is on Trump supporters.

Do you EVER even read what you write??? rofl
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted By: Swish
The Dems haven’t alienated their supporters. And after last night, it got strengthened even further.

Trump is a white supremacist.


We heard Biden kill the Green New Deal.

We heard Biden refuse to denounce the Anarchists, so by your logic, that makes him an Anarchist.


Biden is not losing the left. The RGB replacement SCOTUS pick brought the far left back into the fold with no room for Trumpian BS after that. Trump is done bro.
rofl
First of all, I have no idea what "there is a lot to impact..." means.

Secondly, you are lying about why I have changed my voting preference. But, that is not surprising given your history.
This would concern me greatly if I was a Democrat. However, as someone with Hispanic friends, things can become very ... verbose ...... when they argue about something.

Majority of Spanish speaking Telemundo viewers say Trump won debate | Just The News
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/...formance-margin
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A majority of Spanish speaking viewers of Telemundo think President Trump won the presidential debate Tuesday night with Democratic challenger Joe Biden, according to a poll by the cable TV network.

During post-debate coverage, Telemundo anchors displayed a poll showing that 66% of Spanish speaking viewers thought Trump emerged victorious, compared to 34% who thought Biden won.
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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
First of all, I have no idea what "there is a lot to impact..." means.

Secondly, you are lying about why I have changed my voting preference. But, that is not surprising given your history.


Vers, I'm trying hard to say this without it seeming like I'm picking on you because I'm not... But you need to take a second and look at what you are saying and how it is being perceived... You are lashing out at the left side posters on here non stop saying it's their fault that you will be voting for a hateful white supremacist because your family and you had some damn serious confrontations with black people. I'm taking your word on your experiences and can see why those experiences might have you looking to the right, but Me, Swish, Pit, 888, Portland, Rocket, Perfect, etc. DID NOT and COULD NOT turn you into a supporter of white supremacy or a defender of Trump's vile rhetoric... you did that on your own bro. OR AT LEAST YOU ARE MAKING IT LOOK THAT WAY.
Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
What I saw in last night's debacle, uh, debate...

I saw Mrs. Biden the other day on tv saying, "Just watch and see the contrast between Trump and what a real president looks like."

Well, so much for that!

It was brutal and ugly, no one won but America lost.

I watched as our Half Lion/Half Bulldog President went toe to toe with an older, more frail, Half Lion/Half Bulldog challenger.

Not a good look for either.


200,000+ American deaths on trump’s watch is not a good look for our bald/fat/racist/baby man of a President. (if we’re stooping to calling people names now, I’ll punch back.)



Yes, but as Biden said last night, of those 200 mill...thousand that have died, how many have survived?

Sometimes all you can do is laugh, or else you'd just cry
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
First of all, I have no idea what "there is a lot to impact..." means.

Secondly, you are lying about why I have changed my voting preference. But, that is not surprising given your history.



Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

No, I won't stop. I asked you to stop w/your constant
So congrats, your hateful, biased comments actually led me to changing my votes from left to right.



1. Impact is another way of saying "put together", I was confused about how some random jerks on a message board pushed you over the edge from changing your political assocation unless..... (I can go in detail but I honestly don't care enough)


2. Your exact words on why you changed your voting preference.
Well he didn't know what he has been supporting his entire life until he looked into it a little more.

rofl

All he had to do was look at last nights debate to see what he has chosen to support now.

A man who made it clear that he plans to try and ignore the will of the voters by taking this to the SCOTUS if he loses to steal the election.

A man who openly admits that he will not wait until all the votes are counted and the election is actually certified before he attempts to claim victory.

A man who called for his supporters to go to the polls and monitor the elections which would clog every polling place in America with confusion and a bunch of people that have no idea what they're doing. His mission is to sow chaos just like that was his goal last night.

A man undermining the validity of the vote which is the biggest component of our Democratic process. Which just so happens to be the very same goal of Putin.

A man telling white supremacists to "stand by" in case he needs them later. And they certainly got the message as we can see on social media.

A man so crass and lacking in any manner of civility he can't shut up for two minutes and follow his own party rules to let the other side speak.

Well done! At least now we know what he actually stands for and he can no longer hide it. Oh there will be lies saying he's not really supporting that, but it's there for all to see.
I'm not random thank you very much! wink
Originally Posted By: OrangeCrush
Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
What I saw in last night's debacle, uh, debate...

I saw Mrs. Biden the other day on tv saying, "Just watch and see the contrast between Trump and what a real president looks like."

Well, so much for that!

It was brutal and ugly, no one won but America lost.

I watched as our Half Lion/Half Bulldog President went toe to toe with an older, more frail, Half Lion/Half Bulldog challenger.

Not a good look for either.


200,000+ American deaths on trump’s watch is not a good look for our bald/fat/racist/baby man of a President. (if we’re stooping to calling people names now, I’ll punch back.)



Yes, but as Biden said last night, of those 200 mill...thousand that have died, how many have survived?

Sometimes all you can do is laugh rofl


Yeah 200,000 families ...all they can do is cry. Pffft trump supporters are pathetic.
I thought his argument on the Supreme Court nomination was his most lucid, rational argument of the night. I also think this has a lot to do with it being the first question and there wasn't any back and forth at that point.

The thing that people keep glossing over is that one of Trump's rights/duties is to nominate someone when there is an opening. All of this 'election year let the people have a say' hogwash is weak precedent/practice that various senators have employed or ignored at various points as it benefited their party. Trump was correct in that he was elected president for 4 years, and he'll execute the office for the time even though some of these clowns tell him not to and cite a dumb unwritten rule that they themselves didn't follow last time around.

If anyone wants to wring their hand and shake their finger at someone, it's folks in the Senate.
You should have said "unpack." I would have never pointed it out, but of all the posts on this thread, you chose mine to respond to. And it was your only post.

I clearly said "...led..." When I saw the constant lies, name-calling, and one-sided comments from guys like Pit, 888, Perfect, Rocket, etc........I began to question what my side was doing. I always had despised the right for those same tactics and I didn't like that my political allies were partaking in such low-brown tactics. Thus, that "led" to me to start finding some facts on what was going on w/in each party.

When I dug deeper, I found that the policies of the Democratic party were more damaging to my family and I than the Republicans were. I have never attacked anyone for voting for one party or another. It's a personal decision and one should be able to vote for who they want w/out being attacked. And the more they attack me, the stronger my resolve will become.
j/c

"When someone tells you who they are, believe them."
-Maya Angelou
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG


A man undermining the validity of the vote which is the biggest component of our Democratic process. Which just so happens to be the very same goal of Putin.

A man telling white supremacists to "stand by" in case he needs them later. And they certainly got the message as we can see on social media.



For me - these two things really separate themselves from all the other dysfunctionality and lies/chaos of this President.

Undermining confidence in the election process and the validity of the election is a play straight out of dictator states around the globe.

Pandering to, not disavowing supremacist's groups is disgusting. It's not a hard issue to unequivocally shut down any notion ... but truth is Trump knows he needs those votes so he tries to encourage them without outright championing their cause.
Originally Posted By: Jester
I like the idea someone mentioned earlier about the moderator beingableto mute their microphones. Kinda like on Around the Horn.


I think the rules are written in the by-laws of the debate by the Presidential Commission and agreed upon by both parties. And for this to happen, they would have to go back and re-write the terms and agreement to the debate AND both sides would have to agree.

That's probably not going to happen and trump won't live by the agreed upon rules anyways.
Undecided voters describe Trump as a 'crackhead,' 'arrogant' in post-debate focus group
September 29, 2020
The first presidential debate left undecided American voters in agreement about at least one thing: President Trump's negativity.

Republican consultant and pollster Frank Luntz asked his focus group to use one word to describe the president and basically "every single word was negative," observed Politico's Tim Alberta. One respondent from Wisconsin called Trump obnoxious and un-presidential, while a Pennsylvania voter said he behaved like a "crackhead." Others described the president as being "un-American" and "arrogant."


In all, from 17 voters in swing states, 15 used negative words and just two used positive words or phrases to describe the president (that is, if you consider "an ass but a confident ass" to be a compliment).

The focus group's opinion of the debate tracks with a CBS poll, which found that 83 percent of debate watchers believed the tone of the evening to be "negative" while 17 percent thought it was "positive." Which raises the question: What debate were those 17 percent watching? Jeva Lange
Posted By: Tulsa Re: The 1st Presidential Debate - September 29 - 09/30/20 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted By: Swish
Originally Posted By: Tulsa
Originally Posted By: Swish
The Dems haven’t alienated their supporters. And after last night, it got strengthened even further.

Trump is a white supremacist.


I heard earlier today the #1 search last night was moving to Canada. Most search’s came from Massachusetts. That’s probably not Trump supporters.


you "heard"

you trump now? i'm hearing things!! many people are telling me!!


Yeah, it’s called a radio.

You “stoned”?
Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted By: OrangeCrush
Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
What I saw in last night's debacle, uh, debate...

I saw Mrs. Biden the other day on tv saying, "Just watch and see the contrast between Trump and what a real president looks like."

Well, so much for that!

It was brutal and ugly, no one won but America lost.

I watched as our Half Lion/Half Bulldog President went toe to toe with an older, more frail, Half Lion/Half Bulldog challenger.

Not a good look for either.


200,000+ American deaths on trump’s watch is not a good look for our bald/fat/racist/baby man of a President. (if we’re stooping to calling people names now, I’ll punch back.)



Yes, but as Biden said last night, of those 200 mill...thousand that have died, how many have survived?

Sometimes all you can do is laugh rofl


Yeah 200,000 families ...all they can do is cry. Pffft trump supporters are pathetic.


Biden's words used out of context to make him look bad... nothing new. Biden was talking about Trump's admin trying to kill the ACA in court and that covid brings a whole new group with pre-existing conditions.
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I'm not random thank you very much! wink


I am
Some of us live in your mind for free. You should see a doctor.

In case you forgot.....

It was the right who claimed that political correctness was wrong. That we should be able to say anything we want.

It was the right who was on the constant attack on here for years.

So now some of us have decided to employ their very own tactics against them.

I told them to be careful what they wished for.

You do you. But saying our names over and over and over again because you lack the self control to make your own points without trashing others speaks volumes.

You are the same as those you claim to despise.
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
You should have said "unpack." I would have never pointed it out, but of all the posts on this thread, you chose mine to respond to. And it was your only post.

[quote] partaking in such low-brown tactics.


Since we're all into correcting people today, it's "lowbrow".

wink
Originally Posted By: oobernoober
If anyone wants to wring their hand and shake their finger at someone, it's folks in the Senate.


That's correct. They didn't give Obama four years to appoint a justice. They didn't even give him three years and four months.
Originally Posted By: oobernoober
I thought his argument on the Supreme Court nomination was his most lucid, rational argument of the night. I also think this has a lot to do with it being the first question and there wasn't any back and forth at that point.

The thing that people keep glossing over is that one of Trump's rights/duties is to nominate someone when there is an opening. All of this 'election year let the people have a say' hogwash is weak precedent/practice that various senators have employed or ignored at various points as it benefited their party. Trump was correct in that he was elected president for 4 years, and he'll execute the office for the time even though some of these clowns tell him not to and cite a dumb unwritten rule that they themselves didn't follow last time around.

If anyone wants to wring their hand and shake their finger at someone, it's folks in the Senate.



Trump said the most profound thing of the night when talking about this. He said "elections have consequences".

I thought, so true, and he has spent the past few years emphasizing that exact point.
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Originally Posted By: oobernoober
If anyone wants to wring their hand and shake their finger at someone, it's folks in the Senate.


That's correct. They didn't give Obama four years to appoint a justice. They didn't even give him three years and four months.


Now that's just a filthy lie.

Obummer appointed garland merrick. The Senate did not consent. Appointments are not automatic.
That was my point. Obama put forward his nomination, and the Senate held it up over these unwritten rules. Trump (as Obama did as well in this situation) is executing the duties of his office. It's the Senate that's horsing around.
The senate refused to hold hearings because they said that close to an election the voters should decide. Would you like you see the quotes?

They are doing the opposite this time. Stop blaming others for the lies you are telling.
I noticed if you play back last nights debate, it sounds exactly like this place reads.

Play it backwards and its a Pit post.
It's nice to know you approve of Pokapornstar telling white supremacists to be on stand by. I'm not surprised by it though.
You mean like you approve of Biden's Boys burning and looting cities?
I approve of peaceful protestors and feel criminal activity should be charged and prosecuted. Just like Biden has been saying since May.
You can't claim to be peaceful protestors, marching with your hands up, as bricks and urine bottles wiz over your head from behind.

No, that is collusion with violence, nothing peaceful about it.
The vast majority of the protests have been peaceful. The vast majority of protestors at EVERY protest have been peaceful.

Peaceful protest is guaranteed under the constitution. You are trying to make excuses to deprive people their constitutional rights.
Example of the 93% of protestors who are "peaceful."

Darn them Proud Boys!
j/c...

I said vast majority and nothing any of you have posted proves any different. Facts aren't convenient for you.

The director of the FBI made it plain who the biggest threat is. It's white supremacists. And you'll do anything to try and deflect from the fact that Pocapornstar asked the biggest domestic terrorist threat to America to be on stand by.

It won't work.
Getting away from the "sides" thing for a moment, but that debate was horrible. This country is so much trouble.
What they gonna do? Issue the Moderator a Bat?
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Example of the 93% of protestors who are "peaceful."





I guess this is "fake news." It was staged in a Hollywood studio according to one of our posters.

I posted it because I guarantee that this event and others like it were never considered in that fictitious 93 percent BS. But, some people will believe anything they are told, as long as it aligns w/their one-sided opinions. Pfffttttt....the open-minded left.
We need a mute button.
Pot meet kettle.
Did I miss something? Was that video showing "looters" or was it showing "peaceful protesters" ... or, based on the color of their skin are we to believe the looters must be part of the peaceful protesters? Some nice comments on youtube to go along with that video too.
Quote:
Did I miss something?


Well......

rofl
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Quote:
Did I miss something?


Well......

rofl


For the guy who was crying about everyone talking about the Mortality rate and not the survivability rate - and not realising that those that don'e die from Covid must be "survivors" ... that's funny.

From a guy who talks about others mocking posters and not making a point . . . that's funny.

For a guy who posted a video about looters and trying to unsuccessfully tie them to 'Peaceful Protesters' ... that's funny.

Have at it. Keep being the thing you claim to despise.
That's funny from a guy who shouts "victim" every time a person points out the stalking and attacks that you make.

Btw genius......I posted that video because events such as that are NOT included in the fake-ass 93% statistic that some posters continually point to.

Keep your head in the sand and keep attacking. It's all you got.
Meanwhile, Pocapornstar asked what the FBI considers the biggest domestic terrorist threat in America to be on standby. Details at 11:00.
Biden deflects Trump's demand at debate to 'name one' law enforcement group backing him

"He's talking about defunding the police. ... He has no law enforcement support," Trump said Tuesday night in Ohio. "Who do you have? Name one group that supports you."

"That's not true. ... We don't have time to do anything," Biden said, sparking a back-and-forth.

"We have time," Trump insisted.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-trump-debate-law-enforcement-support
Biden doesn't have the support of law enforcement. But, on the plus side, he has the support of rioters, looters, and criminals.
Pit will accuse Trump of trying to fix the election by locking up Biden's supporters! rofl
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Biden doesn't have the support of law enforcement. But, on the plus side, he has the support of rioters, looters, and criminals.

More lies by your own standard.

https://www.axios.com/biden-trump-law-enforcement-fbe1d3bd-bb75-4e60-b022-d2c17f68055e.html

https://www.newsweek.com/majority-favor-biden-over-trump-law-order-poll-indicates-1529829

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/51...dorse-biden-say

And while not the same topic - but on a tangent the military:

https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/ar...military-voters

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/penta...vote-for-biden/
More than 175 current, former law enforcement officials endorse Joe Biden, slam Trump as 'lawless' president

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-endorsements-law-enforcement

More lies by the right because the truth doesn't work for them.
Cops for Trump. Criminals for Biden. No wonder some of our posters support Biden and despise Trump. Their behavior on this board is criminal.
Okay, I need to go shower. I feel dirty mimicking the tactics of 888, Pit, and Perfect.
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Okay, I need to go shower. I feel dirty mimicking the tactics of 888, Pit, and Perfect.


You've been doing it all along. You've finally just decided to step up to the plate and admit it. And you still can't keep the taste of my name out of your mouth. I love it!
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