AOC proposes funding to deprogram white supremacists

The federal government needs to fund the de-programming of white supremacists and conspiracy theorists, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said Friday night.

“The White supremacist cause is futile, it’s nihilist,” AOC, a Democrat who represents parts of The Bronx and Queens, said during a virtual town hall meeting Friday night.

“Their world will never exist. That’s why we’re seeing violence right now.,” she said, speaking in the wake of the violent siege on the US Capitol by radical supporters of President Trump.

“We have to pick up those pieces.”

Ocasio-Cortez said the House subcommittee on civil rights she serves on has held hearings over the prior two years on white supremacy and said there are programs to “de-radicalize” brain-washed adherents.

But she said funding was not a priority for those programs during the Trump years.

“There are people who are radicalized right now. It’s going to take a very long time to de-radicalize these people and a lot of effort,” she said.

“This is a problem that doesn’t go away on Jan. 20,” said the congresswoman, referring to when Trump leaves the White House and is succeeded by President-elect Joe Biden.

She said many fringe radicals operate in a “misinformation bubble” and it will take more than more than one conversation to de-program them, likening it to therapy.

But, she said, research has shown “healing is possible.”

“We need to double, triple or quadruple the funding for these programs,” Ocasio-Cortez said.

AOC said there is a spectrum of radicalization that ranges from sympathizers to conspiracy theorists, to Neo-Nazis. Such radical ideology could lead to violence and domestic terrorism.

She said the conspiracy theory wrongly pushed by Trump that the election was stolen from him radicalized his supporters who invaded the Capitol last week, leading to violence and the death of five people. AOC said she felt her life was threatened.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/aoc-proposes-funding-to-deprogram-white-supremacists/

So social medicine (psychotherapy) for the radical right? lmao, you just can't make this stuff up. I love AOC

See, here's where people poke fun at her and rightly so. This is nothing but a political stunt. Something that has no chance in hell of ever passing if it could even be brought to the floor for a vote. It serves to do nothing but inflame people.


She's a smart woman who knows this is something that helps nothing but further divisions, yet she does it anyway. Just like you bothering to post it.

I agree Pit.. and even if it passes, how do you implement it?

I'm willing to give OCD huge odds this never passes.

I guess it’s not much different then deprograming the gay. Worth a shot. Lol.

Are you saying people can be born Nazis?

Under Biden's centrist corporatist control? PUH-lease.

But these are programs that already exist and they will get some funding, just nowhere near enough. So you are wrong that it will NEVER be funded because it already has... but it won't be funded enough under the doolittle centrist coming in.

I was thinking electro shock therapy and straight jackets.

Are you insinuating Hitler was gay?

I love it when you chime in showing your GOPer roots. These already exist and have under both parties... What exactly did AOC do wrong then other than say they need more funding because the problem is that big?

You are no better than her detractors making sexual references toward her, she's progressive so you immediately feel threatened. Maybe we can fund help for y'all GOPer-lites next.

I mean it wouldn't surprise me since he was a far right villain with serious issues. A lot of them turn out to be closet gays.

Perhaps the GOP should deprogram them first then.

Are these programs so flooded with people coming to them that they need expanded?

See, I think what people are reading into AOCs comments, which she hasn't explicitly said, is that these deprogramming programs shouldn't necessarily be voluntary....

Please cite anywhere that there are programs being funded to deprogram white supremacists? Show me where federal dollars are being spent in an attempt to "deprogram gay people".

As per usual you're just rambling on about nonsense that is no less ignorant than the demagogues you deplore from the other side.

I guess there's nothing wrong with AOC saying things that only serve to incite people that scream stupidity. But then remember that when people say she's stupid.

I'm not threatened by AOC. Why do you lie? You're the left wing version of fish. You are the the Democrat version of 40. You have become a caricature.

It's no wonder you're mocked on this board.

I wouldn't even let AOC suck my......... well you know the rest.

That's the go-to response if you disagree with a woman..

I love it how your go-to comeback is to call someone GOP (who is clearly not, but since anything to your right is Mitch McConnell). Making a fair criticism of her politics is apparently on the same level as a disgusting sexualizing comment.

And then your sig is "Can we all just get along"....

This is why people make fun of Progressives.

libtard

Says LWL...I was going to ask if you were Dick Orkin from the 60s, you seem to be everywhere!

So you're calling OCD a woman now.

Just because someone isn't an extremist in either direction doesn't mean they're all over the place. Only those who have sold their soul to a political party are cornered into seeing everything from one direction.

Reading is fundamental.

I think you missed my joke.

Oh Pit, you know I'm right. I'm not 100% on all the funding or programs but here is a bit from an article I linked to below:



I can't post the article due to language and it's fairly graphic, but you can go read it.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/201...ife-after-hate/

And I'm not sure where you get the gay deprogramming by the government. That was a reference to Christians doing that I think. And not every program funded by the government is government run, so you need to look at grants as funding for them.

I wish I knew more to enlighten you but you are calling me out for receipts with the only proof I need being in the article that you obviously didn't bother to read:



Deradicalizing vs. deprogramming : potato patato.

You can just check the OP for that one. I'll won't wait for an apology because I know you think you are always right and nobody else can be... ego-of-a-centrist hating on the true left.

Some people have trouble comprehending that you can have a strong conviction to a moderate position.. Some people also have trouble comprehending that you can have a strong conviction to a right leaning position on one issue and an equally strong conviction to a left leaning position on a different issue and that doesn't equate to some kind of heresy.

Addressing the rampant racism and white supremacy on the right is her inciting people and speaking stupidly? I'd call that the kind of leadership we need right now. She's not disparaging these people, she wants to reach out and help them overcome their bias and hate. She recognizes that many are manipulated into these beliefs by bad actors. You sound nuts right now.

I'm mocked maybe 10% of what you are bro. lmao. I see people piling on you even in the other forums. You are like the new Vers. Are you close to your meltdown now? Moderately close?

I said GOPer roots and Pit will be the first to admit he's a slightly right leaning moderate dem. It just ruffles his feathers when I attack centrist corporatist establishment dems like him because he thinks that is the truest (the only right)path for America. He's always right and I'm always the wrong radical extremist and socialist until he needs me to back him up. Just like Biden and the rest of them, they only refer to progressives like the ugly cousins they have to bring to the party when they need votes. The rest of the time we are their whipping boys.

You can see how bad it gets under his skin by looking at his 3 replies to one post. lmao. Steam coming out of his ears hot, I'd say. I love Pit, he's a good guy and like he says so often, we agree on about 80%+ of everything. But he hates my politics and does everything he can to hit me here and elsewhere, so I like to shoot back often. But I would take his side against damn near anybody most of the time. Just not now because pushing left is more important to me at the moment.

As someone who as gone through ECTs I think you should volunteer to show how easy they are.

Oh he doesn't want them to be easy, he wants them to be painful, he wants people to suffer badly..

They usually don't hurt because they put you under. I said usually because I actually woke up during one of mine I had at the VA hospital in Cleveland. That was the last time I had one and the last major procedure I will ever have at the VA.

It's the side effects that are the real problems.

Sorry you went through that. And no I was not being serious. But I'm sure nobody worried about being deprogrammed found it funny.

No I don't DC, but you can think whatever you want about me, it's all good. I just want people who bought into the lies so hard that they would do something like attempt a coup, brought to justice. Then I want there to be professional help for those that honestly believe all those lies and became radicalized due to them. This is not a switch that can be turned off with some "unity" kumbaya hog wash. AND I do think in some serious cases it should be mandatory and not voluntary. Just like I would want meds mandatory for somebody that suffers from violent delusions due to any number of mental illnesses where meds can make their lives normal again. Obviously, if their desire to hate is greater than their resolve to work through their issues, then they can either go on watch lists or be locked up IMHO. But there will be a great number of people who can not understand or accept that they were lied to and drug down the path of fascism by Trump and his cohorts. These people will need some kind of help or they will always feel like they are on the outside looking in, in American society. I'd liken them to people who fall for other scams everyday but they don't realize it until it's too late or refuse to believe they were scammed because that truth would destroy mentally them. They need help. And I'd be fine with that help being 100% voluntary on their part as long as they pose no ongoing danger to society.

To have all that we need to rely on more than 25% of voting American’s to have half a brain and some common sense. That just isn’t so. Education is the first step. Fund public schools like never before. Put metropolitan funds into the hands that need them the most and those who can do the most with it.

AOC frustrates me. I certainly don't agree with a lot of her platforms, but I appreciate the ways that she sheds light on corporate welfare and the money ties into campaigns...

...but there have been so many things she either says or does that leave me dumbfounded.

You are no officially 20cent. Even though you try to sow division among people who for the most part agree with you, you are only half as good at is as 40cent.

Never stop your hate and constant need for attention and division. It's what you are.

Carry on.

ok centrist.

What ever you say 20 cent.

I am closer to the opposite extreme from her on most (if not all) political topics, but I respect that she has her own ideas (as flawed as they may be) and doesn't give a rip about establishment and following along. She's as much a thorn in the side of Pelosi as she is McConnell, and I appreciate that about her.

Yeah, I definitely think she's petty and somewhat catty, but I do think she's far more altruistically motivated than the likes of Pelosi, even if I disagree with her. It's times like this though where she challenges that notion I have, though.

Is that supposed to be an insult?

I'm not the one who said "electro shock therapy and straight jackets"....

Pit thinks so...

My question is who determines who or what might be racist?

As I see it, it is anybody or anything that disagrees with the liberal agenda.

Google Jeff Foxworthy on racism and who may be a racist. Pretty simple and sometimes humorous tell tails.

Oh Puh-lease ! Your schtick and play on what Racism is - getting old and tired.

https://www.google.com/search?

q=define+racism&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS800US801&oq=define+racism&aqs=chrome..69i57.5380j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Communication and language and meaning is not just what YOU think ... it's what others see, hear and receive from what you say. Being old and from a different era doesn't excuse your behavior - it just means you don't have the desire to change or see things in a different light.

It may be old and tired, but that doesn't answer the question.

No, Pit doesn't 20 cent. Pit is proud not to be an extremist in either direction and finds you a running joke at this point.

BUT YOU ARE AN EXTREMIST! You are extremely center moderate corporatist and despise others that think your politics are garbage! You just can't see that because in your mind you are always right no matter what. Like Trump. And I'm good with 20 cent or whatever other names you want to call me because I know that's all you got. Name calling in place of substance. You and Eve both do that.

you got nothing as usual. Pathetic.

You forgot the purple, right?

That's what you do when someone acts like a spoiled child. You give them nothing. You're no longer worthy of a serious response.

Just curious.. do the anti-fascists currently burning flags, setting fires, breaking windows, attacking federal buildings, combatting law enforcement, and spray painting "Death to Amerikka" on stuff also need deprogrammed?

I mean, I give Biden's stormtroopers credit last night, they tear gassed and pepper bulletted the crap out of them for hours..

just wondering where we want to go with this acceptable group-think deprogramming plan...

Well I have no idea because I haven't seen that. But if they are rioting and doing damage they should be charged criminally. As far as deprogramming, did they fall for some stupid ass conspiracy theory and try to overthrow the US government? Are they so far disconnected from reality that there is no reasoning with them? Do they stand for something or are they acting out of pure hate?

Look, I'm not going to defend every little thing the left does any more than I expect you to defend everything the right does. I don't blame all republicans for the racists in their ranks, just the ones who think that's acceptable. I don't blame all republicans for everything bad that Trump did, just those who continued to support him AFTER he did horrible crap.

And whenever any GOPer like you labels violent actors as "anti fascist" or "ANTIFA", I'm skeptical as hell. First are they actually ANTIFA or some anarchists group? Are they actually leftist or are they right wingers doing crap and claiming to be ANTIFA?

But my attitude at the end of the day is this:

If you do the crime, you should do the time. Punching Nazis should not be a crime. Burning buildings, looting, rioting, harming others... those are all serious crimes. Should they be deprogrammed? It depends on what they believe, if it is based in fact and reality, and if it is harmful to the country. Hating fascists is not harmful to the country, a whole generation hated them much more than we do now... So I hope that answers your question and you can wrap around what I'm trying to say.

I can't help but laugh at some of the post on here toward me lately. I expect Pit to fuss when I attack his centrist moderate corporatism as part of what ails this country, but y'all should know that I'm not attacking Pit for 'his' ideas, just the establishment Ds and Rs that have sold us all out for 40+ years. And it's also a counter attack for being called radical, extremist, socialist (in a bad way), and all the other names I get called for being progressive. I don't care about your politics, religion, opinions, or feelings... I just want a government that works for everybody, has compassion for people, and a return to an empowered middle class with upward mobility instead of a country of the 1% and the completely screwed.

Sorry man. Punching anybody is a crime unless you are a boxer in the ring of sport.



Oh....I asked you some hours ago. Who or what group decides who needs mind control?

I just wanted to pass on something you may want to let Bernie know since you seem to be so close. He's a good guy and has a lot of good plans and ideas. His heart is in the right place and I can't help but like the guy

But man, at the inauguration it was obvious he was cold as hell. He had that heavy long coat on and those thick woolen mittens. But he didn't have his head covered. Please let him know that about 90% of your body heat escapes through your head. I mean the guy understands climate change so you would think he would know this. But it seems not. I don't like seeing Bernie cold.

Just sayin'.

Tell that to the Lions head coach.

NOPE. Punching Nazis should be legal. And I never asked if punching anyone was a crime, it's assault and I know that. But punching Nazis should be legal.

And why would I say any group needs 'mind control'? I said deprogramming. I know that scares you, but it's just a process of undoing the harm caused by lies, conspiracy theories, and authoritarian leadership. As far as deciding who needs it, it should probably be medical professionals. I mean if you were out in town acting out delusions and completely untethered from reality, wouldn't you want somebody to help you? That's what a large portion of the Q crowd and Trump supporters are doing today.

You don't need to be deprogrammed just because you supported Trump or are a republican IMHO, but if you are so screwed in the head that you no longer recognize reality, then you need help. Years of being lied to in echo chambers has done a lot of harm on the right. Your fellow Americans are NOT the enemy of the state.

Isn't that sign #1 that we have a problem when there are rioters destroying parts of an American city and confronting police and tear gas and rubber and pepper bullets are being fired and you, who seems to stay up on the news, isn't aware of it? Could it possibly be because the rioters are leftists and the media is too busy swooning over Biden/Harris?


Cool. That's how I feel every time I hear the word "fascist" "racist" or "nazi"...


TBH this false flag narrative has become the new go-to.. no matter which side protests, as soon as it turns ugly, they blame it on infiltrators from the other side...


Hating fascists is not a bad thing, what is a bad thing is when the media and important people on social media throw out blanket statements about who is a fascist.. going back to Hillary's famous "deplorables" comment where a smallish part of Trump supporters were fascists, we've grown to all Trump supporters are fascists, to all republicans are fascists, to anybody who doesn't openly hate Donald Trump is a fascist.. so who really are the fascists? And what really are they fighting for? Their stated goal, from what I understand is to not allow neo-nazi's and fascists to have a platform to spread hate.. teetering on a violation of free speech but ok... I just don't see how their actions, their constant riots serve the purpose of accomplishing their objectives. Was Trump the leader of the fascists? If so, why are they still protesting? Is Joe Biden also a fascist? Is the mayor of Portland a fascist? Is the governor of Oregon a fascist? Are the owners of the businesses they are destroying fascists? I'm kind of confused by things like that.

I was so sickened by the events on the 6th that I have been avoiding much of the news like it's an active case of COVID. I know Portland was having issues with a group but I have no idea what it's all about because I never did a deep dive to see. And I'm sure you have seen more about it than I have because right wing media is probably pounding it. So, like i said, I would have to know more.

And claiming right wingers infiltrated BLM protest is in no way a false flag. It has been proven. But I agree both sides are doing the blame deflection to some degree.

And I can't help you with what/who is fascist. I think that is something you need to read up on. It would make for a good thread and debate, defining fascism in America.

Call Putin, he will tell you.

I didn't know any violent protests occurred until you posted this. I haven't seen a single mention in the media about it.

You should go to foxnews.com and read all about it.

Andy NGO and Fox are on it... Hopefully Portland will chime in and give us some truth.

As Trump said, "Putin said he didn't do it and I have no reason to doubt him". I mean if Putin's word is good enough for trump it should be good enough for the rest of us, right?

Recent events and hate groups aside, his demeanor and dealings with Putin/Russia was the most alarming thing to me about his presidency. I'm not talking about collusion either, because I thought it was stupid of the Democrats to go down that rabbit hole. I'm talking about what you cited, and when he threw his own intelligence agencies under the bus in favor of Russia (which was half-assedly retracted), the bounty issue, and dragging his feet on sanctions. Something REALLY stank to me about all that.

And, credit given where it's due. I do like that he called out China on some things where previous administrations were silent, but that was more than offset by the Putin/Russia aspect.

Did my post to you a month and a half ago not even register?

Did you not even take the time to critically read a breakdown point by point of actual fascist actions taken by the man who failed at installing his fascist desires?

You're better than this and you know it.

I think we must remember that he and Kim Jong Un fell in love. And how he wanted to pull Troops out of S. Korea. How we depended on the Kurds to help us wipe out ISIS then abandoned them as soon as they had served their purpose.

Abandoning those who had served his purpose has seemed to be a life long theme with him and after watching it in real life for over four years many still haven't figured it out.

The situation is Syria was awful. Just awful. It's what led my boss (not direct obviously), James Mattis, to resign. It also ties back to Russia. Our removal both lost us credibility, and strengthened Russia's in the region.

I obviously don't know for sure, but since Trump made the move against the advice of so many, including Mattis, the circumstantial evidence demonstrates he was pushed to do it from somewhere else. Somewhere that had a stake in the region.

Sadly there are are too many Americans who simply do not care. If it doesn't happen here they feel it really doesn't matter. It's the "America First" mind set. History should be a lesson to us all what happens when we act like the rest of the globe doesn't matter. Soon the impact becomes a huge threat to us.

I'm more conservative in terms of foreign policy and more liberal in terms of social policies.