When I was boy polio crippled people.

In fact FDR had polio. In 1955 a vaccine became available. Every kid gets the shot or you can't go to school. Between 1980 and 1992 there were 8.4 cases per year.

The covid vaccine is highly effective. 95% is close for the vaccines in the US.

Around 50% of the US population is vaccinated when it is free and available.

99% of the deaths now recorded are from those who are not vaccinated.

50% of the population believe in a covid conspiracy and for the most part it falls along political lines.

Like did Biden win the election lines.

IMO this is clear evidence that people will cut off their nose to spite their face.

I mean stupidity on a grand scale.

So for those who are vaccinated enjoy the summer and thank those who created the vaccine.

For the others; there is a high cliff with rocks at the bottom. Follow the leader and step off just believe you can fly.

If they're all going to die anyway, why do you wish for them to jump off a cliff?

I like the idea of follow the leader.

In fact I would like to watch the leaders lead the way.

maybe some can fly.

Because the sooner they're gone, the smaller chance the virus will continue to mutate. Eventually, it will create a variant that renders all our vaccinations worthless, as long as idiots are still walking around.

Round'em up.
Push them off like lemmings.
Or find some uninhabited island.

Even after several new variants have evolved people still do not seem to grasp how this all works. So far the vaccines have remained effective against all of the new variants. However, as they mutate and evolve further, at some point that will likely not be the case.

If it were about personal choice and only impacted themselves and their families, I would say good luck to them and let nature take its course. However, it very much endangers all of us. Something that can't seem to sink into their skulls.

**this represents roughly half of the rather lengthy text. Follow link for full article.

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Forest Gump says "stupid is as stupid does."

Interesting thread. I am pro vaccine. I was one of the first to get it in the state of Nevada. My wife also has it. We have returned to our normal lives just like it was pre-pandemic.

When the vaccine becomes available for my 7 year old daughters, they will not be getting it. If the schools force it, we'll have a decision to make.

WOW you set yourself up for this.

If they jump off a cliff, they won't take anyone else with them...

BOOM! Look at you go!!

(Downgrade to an A- though... you forgot to say "Trump")

I guess anything is possible, but "eventually, it will create a variant that renders all our vaccinations worthless" is a serious stretch, imo. If so, I guess we would need 100% vaccination, but wait, I guess if that's true it wouldn't matter if it were 0% vaccination.

So yes, find an island, it's gonna need a really big island though, every variant of concern has come from someplace else.


Straight from the CDC site:

Yet the Delta variant is here... now. And thus far is the most infectious variant to date. Hospitalizations and deaths are on the rise.... here, now. This isn't something that is national. Any variant now in other nations will eventually reach our shores. Let's not pretend that these variants aren't getting stronger.

That's been the problem thus far. People lose sight of the fact the more people that get vaccinated the less such variants spread. The less it spreads the less chances of even more dangerous variants evolving.

We can all make excuses to do nothing. And thus far we are seeing how that hasn't worked.

My fifteen year old grandson is vaccinated.

His brother will be nine in September. As soon as it is available. He will get it.

I do not see a problem. I don't see a difference in this vaccine to a flu vaccine.

Both have proven to protect against a virus. That is what covid is.

The world that we live in today is not what our ancestors faced. They could develop immunity over generations of exposure that would be passed down from the mother in birth.

Today we do not have that luxury. That is because these new viruses pop up(normally coming from other animals) and they do not stay localized. A infected person jumps on a plane goes to a place that the virus has never been. Bingo pandemic.

We can choose to fight viruses. Or, succumb to them.

Just imagine were this country would be without this vaccine?

Not matter how ugly you paint a mental picture. It is not ugly enough.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/h...e-delta-variant


Here’s How Well COVID-19 Vaccines Work Against the Delta Variant
The delta variant has led to a COVID-19 surge in the U.S. Martinez Velez/Europa Press via Getty Images
COVID-19 cases are rising in the United States, and the delta variant has been identified in all 50 states.
The delta variant is now responsible for more than 58 percent of new coronavirus infections in the United States, and there’s been an increase in hospitalizations.
Of people hospitalized, a majority are either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated.
Even though vaccines offer different ranges of protection, experts say getting fully vaccinated is crucial.
The United States is now dealing with the delta variant of the coronavirus, a highly contagious variant that was first identified in India in December.

As with previous variants, the delta variant has spread to many countries across the world, including, most notably, the United Kingdom, where it’s now responsible for around 99 percent of new cases.

The United States first announced that it had diagnosed a case with the delta variant in March this year. It’s now the dominating variant nationwide, making up more than half of all new infections in the country.

Confirmed infections with the delta variant have also been doubling since June. The average is more than 24,000 a day, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

This rise has been attributed, in part, to the delta variant being an estimated 60 percent Trusted Source more transmissible than the alpha variant, according to recent research.

Additionally, areas with low vaccination rates are more likely to see a surge in infections.

Low vaccine uptake driving up infections
“The unvaccinated population is at high risk for infection. If this variant continues to move quickly, especially in areas of low vaccination rates, the U.S. could see a surge in SARS-CoV-2 infection,” said Dr. Miriam Smith, chief of infectious disease at Long Island Jewish Forest Hills Teaching Hospital in Queens, New York City.

CDC Director Dr. Rochelle WalenskyTrusted Source issued a warning on this potential surge earlier this month.

In a press briefing, she said preliminary data suggested that 99.5 percent of the people who died from COVID-19 since January were unvaccinated.

“We know that the delta variant… is currently surging in pockets of the country with low vaccination rates,” she said.

In Missouri, which has a vaccination rate of 40.26 percent, confirmed coronavirus infections have almost doubled in the past 2 weeks.

In contrast, Vermont reported only 32 cases on July 12 and currently has one of the highest vaccination rates in the country at 67.70 percent.

This echoes findings from a U.K. studyTrusted Source that found the delta variant twice as likely to lead to hospitalization, and both the AstraZeneca-Oxford and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines being effective in reducing this risk.

“We also know that our authorized vaccines prevent severe disease, hospitalization, and death from the delta variant,” Walensky said.

Dr. Theodore Strange, the interim chair of medicine at Staten Island University Hospital in New York, said the data supports this.

“The safety and efficacy of the current vaccines are very clear. These three vaccines do work to prevent disease and the spread of disease, and they are as safe as any other vaccines that have been in use. Although some side effects have been reported, these issues are rare and treatable,” he told Healthline.

Vaccine progress in the U.S.
The United States has so far administered more than 336 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine. Around 160 million people have received two doses. That means more than half of the U.S. population over the age of 12 — or 56.6 percent, to be exact — has been fully vaccinated.

There are currently three COVID-19 vaccines that have been authorized by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and are currently in use across the United States.

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was the first to receiveTrusted Source emergency use authorization (EUA) from the FDA. It’s sold under the brand name Comirnaty and is also referred to as BNT162b2. Currently, more than 186 million doses of the vaccine have been administered in the United States.

A week after the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine EUA, the Moderna vaccine also got the green light from the FDATrusted Source. Sold under the brand name Spikevax and also known as mRNA-1273, more than 136 million doses of the Moderna vaccine have been administered in the United States so far.

The third vaccine approved by the FDA was the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine, or Janssen COVID-19 vaccine. It was issued an EUA in February 2021Trusted Source. Around 13 million doses have been administered so far.

Vaccines vs. delta variant
All three vaccines are proven to be effective in varying degrees against the original variant of the coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, that causes COVID-19.

However, since the delta variant emerged, scientists have been trying to establish whether these vaccines are as effective against it.

We broke down what the current data says. But new research could mean this data will change over time.

The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine
Due to limited research so far, trying to determine the effectiveness of each vaccine against the delta variant remains a challenge. However, there have been promising results from multiple studies.

Study 1 and real-life data
According to an analysis carried out by Public Health England, two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine appeared to be about 88 percent effective against symptomatic disease and 96 percent effective against hospitalization with the delta variant.

The same study suggested that the vaccine was approximately 80 percent effective against preventing infection from the delta variant. Scientists came to this conclusion after analyzing 14,019 people with an infection, 166 of whom were hospitalized, in England.

Vaccines had a protective effect against infections with delta and hospital cases were milder, the study found.

Public Health England also shared real-world data in May that solidified the importance of having a second dose of COVID-19 vaccine. The analysis suggested that a single dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine offered only about 33 percent protection against symptomatic disease.

This was a reduction from the previous 50 percent effectiveness estimated against the alpha variant.

The study also found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 88 percent effective against the delta variant 2 weeks after the second dose.

Study 2
A reportTrusted Source published in the journal Nature reflected the findings that a single shot of a two-dose vaccine such as Pfizer-BioNTech or AstraZeneca provided “barely” any protection.

However, researchers also reported that people who had received two doses of a vaccine had significantly more protection against infection with the delta variant, with researchers estimating a level of 95 percent effectiveness.

The study also found that the delta variant was less sensitive to “sera from naturally immunized individuals,” meaning people who had a prior infection may not be protected against reinfection with the delta variant.

Study 3
A study in Canada, meanwhile, found that two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine worked just as well against the delta variant as it did with alpha. It has not yet been peer reviewed.

The study suggested the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was around 87 percent effective 14 days after two doses.

Study 4
A study in ScotlandTrusted Source found similar results. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, researchers concluded, offered “very good” protection against the delta variant and demonstrated 79 percent effectiveness 14 days after receiving the second dose.

Study 5
A study in Israel was more of an outlier and found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine did not offer as high protection as previously estimated. The study suggested the vaccine was about 64 percent effective against preventing infection with the delta variant and 64 percent effective against symptomatic illness after two doses.

But scientists have pointed out that the full data has not yet been released, and it may have included asymptomatic infections picked up by Israel’s surveillance program.

ESTIMATED EFFECTIVENESS OF PFIZER-BIONTECH VACCINE
Anywhere from 64 to 96 percent effective against the delta variant with two doses.

A third dose?
Pfizer and BioNTech say they’re now in the process of developing a third dose of their COVID-19 vaccine that will act as a booster against the delta variant. The companies said new data from the Israeli Ministry of Health, which showed that the vaccine’s effectiveness declines after 6 months, spurred them to launch the research.

Clinical trials for the booster vaccine could begin as early as August.

“Pfizer-BioNTech is seeking FDA approval for a booster to address waning antibody 6 months following full immunization, with particular concerns for protection against new variants,” Smith said.

However, Smith told Healthline that the currently available vaccines have been effective in preventing severe disease, including those identified with current variants of concern.

“Further, the CDC has not recommended a booster following any vaccine against SARS-CoV-2, as current data are limited,” she added.

The Moderna COVID-19 vaccine
There are multiple lab studies that suggest the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine works against the delta variant. And similar to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, Moderna is also testing whether a third dose is beneficial.

Study 1
A lab study on the Moderna vaccine showed that the vaccine was capable of providing protection against the delta variant and other variants tested, even though it was much more reduced compared with the alpha variant.

But the most interesting finding was that the vaccine was far more effective in producing antibodies against delta than it was against beta, according to the data, which has not yet been peer reviewed.

“As we seek to defeat the pandemic, it is imperative that we are proactive as the virus evolves. [T]hese new data are encouraging and reinforce our belief that the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine should remain protective against newly detected variants,” Stéphane Bancel, CEO of Moderna, said in a statement.

No clear level of effectiveness was mentioned.

Study 2
The same Canadian study that found the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine to be 87 percent effective suggested that the Moderna vaccine was 72 percent effective against the delta variant after one dose.

There wasn’t enough data to calculate protection after two doses for Moderna. It’s also important to point out that the study has not yet been peer reviewed.

The findings, however, indicate that even a single dose of the Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines provides “good to excellent” protection against symptomatic infection as well as severe illness. Two doses were also found likely to provide even higher protection.

ESTIMATED EFFECTIVENESS OF MODERNA COVID-19 VACCINE
One study estimates 72 percent effectiveness from one dose. Other studies suggest it may offer similar protection as the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

The Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine
There’s little data that shows how effective the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) single-shot COVID-19 vaccine is at protecting against the delta variant. The company is also reportedly researching whether a second shot would boost immunity against the variants.

Study 1
A recent clinical trial suggested that the vaccine was 85 percent effective against severe disease and demonstrated “strong, persistent” protection against hospitalization and death.

It also showed that the J&J vaccine prompted “neutralizing antibody activity,” which stops the virus from infecting healthy cells, against the delta variant at a higher level than it did for the beta variant.

The Pfizer-BioNTech and AstraZeneca vaccines had shown a decline in effectiveness against the latter in another study.

Study 2
Interim results from a study involving 20 people has shown that the J&J vaccine neutralized the delta variant within 29 days of the first shot, and protection improved over time.

“Current data for the eight months studied so far show that the single-shot Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine generates a strong neutralizing antibody response that does not wane; rather, we observe an improvement over time. In addition, we observe a persistent and particularly robust, durable cellular immune response,” said Dr. Mathai Mammen, the global head of Janssen Research & Development at Johnson & Johnson, in a July 1 press release.

ESTIMATED EFFECTIVENESS OF J&J COVID-19 VACCINE
More studies are needed to reach a definitive answer.


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Key takeaways
The World Health Organization (WHO) has said data so far supportsTrusted Source claims that the Pfizer-BioNTech and AstraZeneca vaccines work against preventing severe COVID-19 caused by the delta variant.

But it has also acknowledged that the vaccines may offer less protection against milder, symptomatic illness caused by delta, though studies still suggest that people fully vaccinated “retain significant protection against the delta variant.”

Receiving the full regimen of two doses of a mRNA COVID-19 vaccine, such as Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines, has also shown to be much more effective against the delta variant.

“The bottom line is that the vaccination program with any of the current vaccines available is the only way to break the cycle of spread by not allowing the virus to infect unvaccinated hosts and then mutate into variants such as delta. These vaccines are safe and with a high degree of efficacy to prevent further morbidities and mortalities,” Strange said.

Prof. Tim Spector, an epidemiologist from King’s College London, told Healthline that it is now time for the United States to take lessons from the United Kingdom in dealing with this new variant.

“[They] should start spreading the word about the new symptoms. [D]o not get too relaxed when you get your vaccine either, especially if you are in a high-risk area,” he said.

“Your risk may be an eighth of what it was [after getting vaccinated] but still a considerable number of people will be infected,” he added, highlighting the importance of physical distancing and wearing masks in crowded, unventilated places.

J/C I find it shameful that people are wishing for people to die.

Especially by their inaction to help prevent it.

That's the new America bro, get used to it. Nothing can be discussed without shaming and blaming.

I don't wish anyone to die. It was an allegory.

But I do have a problem with those who refuse to care for others well being.

If they choose ignorance then they should stay in quarantine.

Is it ok for a person with aids to knowingly infect others?

Right out of the communist toolbox, and these suckers are in it neck deep.

I have read enough in here enough to take a few lessons.

Republicans refusing to get the vaccine are actually killing people but they seem more concerned by a comment on a message board. Go figure...

So, it's the republicans that have refused the vaccine that are killing people, not the democrats that are refusing the vaccine - they're just fine. Got it.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vaccin...5dd966d5ef.html

"The counties with the most vaccine-hesitant residents generally also voted for Donald Trump in 2020 by large margins, whereas the counties with the lowest levels of hesitancy generally also had fewer Trump voters."

There was an interview with the State Epidemiologist in Arkansas and a couple other doctors. They were talking about the vaccination rates, the increase in cases in the state from the delta variant-they were saying that by the second week in August they will be back to where they were in the winter.

And what really struck me as "wtf"-the state doctor said the the politicians (Ark is a red state) in the state have made it illegal for the doctors to impose any mask mandate for the vaccinated or unvaccinated, to impose any restriction for schools including school sports or any requirements for the citizens to get vaccinated. The doctor said they can only suggest that people do what they should-any mask mandate or shutdown is a criminal offense.

And Arkansas isn't the only state that is making it illegal for the doctors to do their duty-dumbass red state politicians are killing their constituents

Look at a map arch. Look at where vaccination rates are the lowest and how that correlates to who the states overwhelmingly voted for. Look at their infection rates, rise in hospitalizations and death increases.

So while your post doesn't depict everyone, it certainly represents accuracy at an overwhelming rate.

Thanks. So, like pit said, it's the republicans that won't get the vaccine that are killing people, but the democrats that won't get it aren't killing people. Wait - 100% incorrect.

Rather, it should be said "PEOPLE" that don't get the vaccine may be unknowing carriers that could spread it to others.

But I know, I know - everything is either political party or race.

I see you still haven't looked at a Covid map.

to date over 161 million people have been vaccinated in the U.S.A. and over 1 Billion worldwide. Just over 600 of the People in America have died from covid who were vaccinated. While over 607,000 unvaccinated folks have died from covid.

Old math, new math, simple math, Algebra, Calculus or any other way you add it up, it's just plain stupid to not get vaccinated.

Actually, I have. So, you're wrong. Thanks for playing.

Bone posted a graphic that was all about trump.

It stated 'counties', but not number of unvaccinated PEOPLE. It made no mention of POPULATION of counties, anywhere. Point being, un vaxed in L.A., NYC, and Chicago - all heavily democrat might very well exceed the rural counties in POPULATION.

But, the overARCHing point is, as you refuse to see, PEOPLE not getting vaccinated is the problem. Not republicans not getting vaccinated and are, in your words "killing people".

Also, did YOU read bone's link? I think not.

I'll just leave this, from bones link, right here:

In fact, many counties with high levels of vaccine hesitancy — particularly in the South — are also considered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to be highly socially vulnerable based on factors like poverty, lack of access to transportation and crowded housing.

Driving the news: More than half of U.S. adults have now received at least one dose of the vaccine, a remarkable milestone.

But in some states, appointments are going unfilled and unused doses are starting to pile up — potentially a sign that demand is decreasing.
Around one-fifth of Americans say they definitely won't get a vaccine or only will if required to, and another 17% say they want to "wait and see" before getting a shot, per KFF.

The big picture: The groups most likely to say they definitely won't get a vaccine are Republicans and rural residents.

But experts caution that it's important not to oversimplify the narrative. For example, many ruby-red Southern states have large Black populations as well as white Republicans.
Black Americans are among the most likely groups to say they want to "wait and see" before getting the vaccine, and they may also face access barriers.

But, you go believing it's republicans not getting vaccinated that is killing people, while the dem's that don't get vaccinated aren't.

Also, from bone's link (that was from april of this year) is this: "“What I'm really worried about is building up this identity of, ‘if you're a Republican, you don’t want the vaccine.’ I think a) that’s not correct and b) it's really, really harmful,” said Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health."

So your reading comprehension isn't very good. Thoughts and prayers.



Edit; BTW vaccine hesitancy is based on the percentage of people that get vaccinated, not the population of those places.

I feel no shame whatsoever, and refuse to be shamed by you or anyone else. These people obviously don't care about you or me, and they apparently have no concerns about even infecting family in their own homes.

I'd rather see you & me maintain protection going forward seeing as how you& I did the responsible thing.

If it's a choice between them or us, I chose us.

You can try to shame me if you want, but I'm actually on YOUR side.

you're welcome.

I can do that,, First Trump befriends you then he pushed you off the cliff.... Hows that?

The Covid Vaccine is a killer and Trump won in a landslide!

Believe what your Chinese government tells you.

https://basedunderground.com/2021/07/18/...last-two-weeks/

Get back under your bridge.

Very telling that you buy into this total garbage.

My bad.
I forgot to lock up after I fed the board's pets.

Are you specifically coming down on people that don't want the vaccine? Isn't that someone's right to choose whether they want it or not?

About half the people I know have gotten it. The other half said they are not getting it. Their reason is they don't feel comfortable with it yet. How can we not respect that position regardless of what the numbers are doing?

Because their actions negatively impact everyone else, including (potentially) those already vaccinated. You can liken it to speed limits and prosecuting folks for going over the speed limit. You could argue if someone wants to drive dangerously it's up to them - but in reality their 'free choice' potentially kills other people.

Are you advocating for it to be forced on people? That's a slippery slope. If we start going down that road there may come a day where you are forced to do something you don't want to do.

That's more scary than people electing not to get the vaccine.

j/c

Superspreaders...

Three Texas state Democrats who fled to Washington test positive for COVID


Sat, July 17, 2021

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -Three members of a delegation of Democratic Texas state lawmakers who fled to Washington D.C. to block passage of a restrictive new Republican-sponsored voting law tested positive for COVID-19, the Texas State House Democratic Caucus said on Saturday.

The three Texas House Democratic lawmakers had been vaccinated against the coronavirus, but tested positive over the last 24 hours, according to a caucus statement.

Vice President Kamala Harris had met on Tuesday with two of the lawmakers who have since tested positive.

Based on the timeline of the test results, "it was determined the vice president and her staff present at the meeting were not at risk of exposure because they were not in close contact with those who tested positive and therefore do not need to be tested or quarantined," Harris' spokesperson Symone Sanders said in a statement.

"The vice president and her staff are fully vaccinated," Sanders added.

Texas state Representative Ron Reynolds, one of the Democrats who traveled to Washington, told MSNBC the test results were cause for caution.

"We are taking these positive confirmations very seriously," Reynolds said. "We're following all CDC guidelines and ... we are going to make sure that we don't expose anyone."

COVID-19 cases in the United States have surged over the past week with new cases up 70% and deaths rising 26%.

Some members of the Texas delegation met over the past week in Washington not only with Harris but also with congressional Democratic leaders including Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer.

Schumer's office, in a separate statement, said it was informed that none of the Texas lawmakers who tested positive for COVID-19 had had contact with him or his staff.

https://news.yahoo.com/three-texas-state-democrats-test-192107586.html

There is more to this than free choice.

It is also about a campaign of false information.

It is also more than coincidence how vaccine conspiracy falls along with the big lie about the election.

We are talking about an infectious viral disease.

If you choose to not get vacinated then get tested. If positive you should be quaranteed. If you don't like that to bad.

Is it ok for a carrier of a deadly infection to be walking around the public?

The ability to stop this killer is right in front of us.

If your grocery store posts a sign that says no mask no service is it ok for someone to shop there? The store wants to protect it's customers.

I am all about freedom. However, that door swings both ways. If someone decides not to get vaccinated. Guess what an employer has the right to say "don't bother coming to work."

Take a flight to Australia.

They mandate testing and then put you in quarantine for 14 days and test you every other day.

If you don't like that. Don't bother going because that is the rule.

Look at their infection rate and deaths.

But here it is ok for a quack president to promote hydroxychloroquine based upon zero science. Then make statements that maybe clorox might work.

We have lost over 600k people because of stupidity.

IMO it you choose to not be vaccinated fine. Then you must have proof of a recent negative test that is visble to others.

If you do not have that you should be forced into quarantine. Why on earth should you be allowed in public?

If people want to become future Darwin Award winners, it is their choice.

I feel bad for those who they infect and for their families who will lose a loved one.

You do need to remember that with the liberals their thinking is ban things or make things mandatory.

What does this have to do with political ideology?

The country is at war with a virus.

There is only one goal. Save lives.

damn

They were all vaccinated and the members of congress and their staff that they came to visit were all vaccinated.

Again, that means that there is still a chance that they could contract covid, but because they are all vaccinated, in an overwhelming number of cases they will have nothing more than very mild symptoms.

Again, the vaccine keeps you out of a hospital or being planted in the ground.

LOL...read the thread.

Yes. Specifically.



Yes.
And it's also my 1A to let them know my opinion about it. That is what you are reading in this thread.




Just watch me.

I'll be glad to show you how. Step-by-step.
And the more the numbers rise, the more I'll give you to watch.
Sit back and take notes.


I've gone so far as to tell family that they aren't welcome in any way until they handle their personal, medical and civic responsibilities.

I had one fam tell me, " **** no!" to the shot.
I told him that the next time I'll see him will be at his funeral.
"I'll say nice things about you during the service, but 'being smart' won't be on that list."

1. The science has been clear on the subject of virology for 100 years. Anyone who rejects this empirical knowledge gets no sympathy from me, should the Grim Reaper darken their doorsteps. Those who couldn't get the shot? Yeah, I have compassion for them. Those who got the shot and succumbed from breakthrough? Yes, again. Compassion, sympathy and deepest condolences.

2. We now have a sample size of over 100 million people that has proven this vax to be effective, and so far, safe.

3. I'll turn your rhetorical question around and ask you: What respect do you think they owe we who are part of the solution, instead of the problem?


I simply have a zero tolerance policy where this one is concerned. This virus has already shown a propensity for rapid mutation, and every extra moment people drag their heels gives it more opportunity to morph into something more disastrous. I personally feel that we are only about halfway through this story. How well we survive it depends on how many people actually consider themselves part of an interconnected society.

Personal freedoms v. civic responsibility: a balancing act since 1776.

IMO, previous generations were less spoiled, privileged and selfish than we seem to be today. My Parents never got to instantly avail themselves to a repository of all the world's accumulated knowledge/data, and yet they had enough common sense (and basic HS educations) to do what's right when circumstance required. They saw their doc. The got their shots. They went to the dentist. They modeled proper behavior for their children. 2020, we have people who can access real info instantly, but waste their time consuming bs conspiracies, fake data, contrived political outrage, manufactured controversies... and cat videos.

I can't even calculate how much we've lost/relinquished since we Boomers took over.

smdh.

Very telling that you buy into this total garbage.

I should have locked that food up.

Sorry, Dawgtalkers. He's still around.


ps: your voice is still as muffled as it was months ago, SB*


*Sphincter Breath

Get off my lawn!!

You were the last one I fed before forgetting to lock up the pet food.

oh look!!! a straw man!!!! how quaint.

in answer to your question, please point out anywhere i suggested mandating anything... and since you can't, then you have the answer to your own question.

A straw man???

HE ASKED A QUESTION.

This place is bonkers.

Sheesh. Asking for clarification isn't a straw man argument. I'm surprised you didn't throw one of those rolling on the floor guys in there.

On the other hand, did did get an answer to his query in this thread.

So maybe only 'partially bonkers'...


...just sayin.

ADDENDUM

This swam through my fb feed just 1 hour ago.
It's the perfect response to this query:








Some will get it.
I know YOU will.

and to jfan...

he **appeared** to ask a question in a way to reframe the debate and my post into something it was not. from memory he initially made a post asking if or why specifically there was such a judgement on the non vaccinated, and i responded that their choices impact others.

yes, this place is bonkers. you see posters ignoring whats written and reframing and creating straw man arguments
"often" ... so not unreasonable to think that was what was attempted here. if that wasn't the intent and it was a simple question I'll apologize.... but maybe simple question wouldn't come with the additional commentary about how dangerous the unknown answer to the question is.

How about if we treat it like other things the government does.

Don't wear a seatbelt..... get fined.
Drive with no drivers license.... fine... keep doing it and you go to jail.
You want to go hunting or fishing without paying for a license.... fine
You want to drive 90 MPH in a school zone... fine or jail time.
Don't pay your taxes.... fine and or jail.
Want to sleep around when you know you have aids and don't inform your partners beforehand.... Jail time


Hmm maybe the same should be done with covid vaccinations?

You mean like the polio vaccine? can you imagine if they hadn't pushed this on us...

No.... they're advocating for lumping everyone with the slightest viewpoint different from theirs into the same bucket as the most extreme anti-vax crowd; therefore making a once small divide on a pretty approachable topic that much harder. A favorite method of accomplishing this is bashing people over the head with their own viewpoint. Keep in mind that empathy is a bad word.

To some, there are the vaccinated and there are agents of Trump tirelessly working to undermine the vaccination effort.

Only because those who decide to not get vaccinated are mostly those who buy into conspiracy theories. Not all but generally.

The vaccines have proven their worth by saving millions of lives.

The current deaths are coming from those who are not vaccinated 99% of the time.

The conspiracy theories are really out there, too. We've had one poster on this board mention something along the lines of "Go ahead and get the vaccine if you want Bells Palsy!"

We've had another poster on the board mention something about them spreading alien or reptile DNA or something along those lines.

Both are posters I would identify as "fringe right" posters.

To add context to that statement, I don't consider myself "liberal" either.

To caveat my last point, I don't think that those who decide to not get vaccinated are mostly those who buy into conspiracy theories.

I don't agree with, but I understand and can empathize the point some people have about not wanting to get vaccinated because of how quickly it was rushed and because of the lack of approval.

To me, given weighing the options between getting and spreading COVID, potentially leading to a worse variant, and getting a vaccine that has not been fully FDA approved is an easy decision, especially now that people have been getting the vaccine en masse for almost 6 months. Not everyone agrees with that approach, however.

What I am curious to see, though, is whether the FDA's approval ACTUALLY causes an increase in people getting the vaccine. I feel like some people are using that as a cloak to publicly cover more unfounded beliefs surrounding the vaccine, but I could be wrong.

People need their warped ideas verified. So they seek the lowest common demoninator which they find on the net.

"Sources" that have a lot in common with the national enquirer.

These places hook those who are confused and lost.
There they get their food for thought because they are unable to think for themselves.

Rish is a straight shooter. No need for the false quoting, trying to find an ulterior motive or accusing him of something that's not there.

Advocating people allow to promote even more Covid variants which means even more deaths is not an attractive look.

You haven't been watching FOX News, OAN or Newsmax lately have you? Those are the mouth pieces of trump and they are spreading misinformation and promote people resist the vaccine. Take a look at who is posting misinformation on FB and other social media.

Yes, they are undermining the vaccination effort.

... which is the dumbest thing imaginable. The very voters 45* would need to retake the White House are now dropping like flies.

A true winning strategy, orchestrated by that 'mastermind' Tucker Carlson.

Dude is giving out advice that's literally killing his audience.

The crazy is painful to watch.

In many ways what is happening makes one feel hopeless.

In some ways I have no sympathy for those gullible to listen to his nonsense.

At the same time it not should be a death sentence.

What was once reporting of factual news has become "station agenda." Know your market and give them validation.

The tragedy is misinformation from that market study agenda has turned fatal.

Instead of the media joining a cause to save lives. Profit trumps lives. No pun intended.

I have not watched seen much of anything from those outlets. That's intentional.

More to the point, though... there are many others out there that are hesitant to get the vaccine for reasons other than what Tucker Carlson may or may not be telling them. It's a third group of people aside from the two I sarcastically pointed out in my earlier post.

I'm not arguing that there are Trumpians who (for very dubious reasons) aren't going to get vaccinated. There are a couple on this very board. If you want to bash them over the head with every CDC guideline link and every CNN/AP/Reuters/whatever outlet article... I think you're wasting your time on them, but no argument from me. The thing is, not everyone who's yet to get a jab is a give-me-MAGA-or-give-me-death. IMO, empathy goes a lot further with those folks than the screaming and yelling.

Most of those refusing to get the vaccine do so in part or in whole due to believing misinformation that only furthers their possible fears. We need look no further than to see who it is spreading that misinformation to understand the catalyst creating the problem.

That doesn't mean they're "give-me-MAGA-or-give-me-death". It means they're buying into the misinformation being spread by the "give-me-MAGA-or-give-me-death" crowd.

I have no idea how empathy is going to change where they get their news from and who they choose to believe. However, if we could get those who they listen to to stop spreading that misinformation and tell them the truth, that could change the entire picture.

I'll give you 3 personal examples. My brother-in-law, my dad, and my neighbor.

Bro-in-law was hesitant regarding the vaccines, their rushed development and review, and their non-approved status. Him and his wife work as DoD civilians, so with the vaccines not being approved yet they were strongly encouraged to get vaccinated, but were not required. Him and I talked about it a couple times, and I explained my thought process that went into me getting vaccinated. For me, it came down to my being pretty healthy and without any health complications, plus the risk to my son if I were to be a vector. I doubt our discussions were his only input on the subject, but he did say our talks helped push him over the edge to make the appointment. I was really touched that he told me that.

Unlike my BiL, my dad is a full-on Trumpian. Man hasn't seen a Fox News story he won't go to bat for. I had a couple talks with him and got him to have a couple discussions with his doc. My dad has a couple of serious medical situations that he was unsure as to how they would interact with a vaccine. Doc eventually got back to him after doing a little research, gave him the thumbs up, and my dad got his first jab less than 24 hours later.

Neighbor was similar situation as my BiL. We had a long discussion about the whole COVID situation, vaccines, recent news about the vaccines (side effects) and how we felt about them, and I had given him my little shpeil (I was hesitant too, but after weighing pros/cons, vaccination was absolutely way to go). Fast forward a week later, and he and his wife had gotten their first shot, and were discussing the same for their of-age kids. I don't know for sure if those 2 halves of the story are related or not, but I got the feeling they are.


Of those 3, only 1 plays any part in the misinformation campaign you're talking about. So yes, you do need to look further. Of the unvaccinated, there is a subset where empathy and calm, rational conversation will go a lot further than an ideological hammer.

I'll assume your post is attempt at trolling, there was no false quoting. And in fact somebody cut and paste what he said immediately below my post which reflects exactly what I suggested it did.

Or feel free to show my false quoting.

In my opinion, People will start coming around to getting the vaccine when organizations that they do not trust stop trying to force it on them. Media and politicians are not trusted because they have systematically been destroying their own integrity for years. Vaccinations should never have become a political football.

If the push for vaccination had come down to people through trusted organizations like the AMA and through trusted people like their family physicians, then this would not have become a major problem.

The best thing people can do, is just be quiet about it and not make a big deal. The harder partisan forces push, the harder people are going to resist.

As it pertains to one on one interactions with people willing to have a rational discussion I don't disagree with you. But in a crowd where people keep talking about "freedom" as an excuse to help spread and help create even more dangerous variants not so much.

My son in law is a Republican. Although with that being said he couldn't bring himself to vote for trump. In the very early stages he too was hesitant to get the vaccine. I did speak with him about it and he is a rational person who you can have a discussion with. I don't think that discussion had much impact.

But his work certainly did. He's a district manager of a gas station chain who oversees many stations in the region. His employees started getting ill and often was the case where he had to shut stations down due to Covid. Once that began happening, he got not only himself vaccinated, but his entire family. That includes three of my grandchildren.

So I'm more than willing to have a rational discussion with those who are willing to be rational. On this very board as you can see by our exchanges, we don't always agree but we can hold conversations. My son in law and I get along great. There are other posters that way. Then there are those you can't do that with. I handle each on an individual basis and act accordingly.

What they're not believing are our top medical experts, expert viral and infectious disease doctors. The media and politicians you are trying to blame are only repeating and giving you the news of what those experts are saying.

That's what happens when people try to blame medical information on politics and the media.

This should not be complicated. However, it is.

While lap swimming I see a lot of the same people often. One senior couple in particular go around the same time as I do. So, we exchange pleasantries. I was doing everything possible to get vaccinated asap. I got the first dose in Feb. Went to the pool. Mentioned getting the vaccine to the lady of the couple. She said she would not get vaccinated. I asked her if she had a doctor that she trusted. She said she trusted Jesus. I said ok.
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The whole US story with covid started with trump and his stance. That is why we lost over 600k people.

If this had been handled differently by the government. All the discussion we now have would be mute.

If we would have handled this like Australia or New Zealand did. All the garbage about masking, testing, and the vaccination would not be an issue.

If the government, "news outlets", medical profession, scientific community, and social media had been on the same page. Promoting an agenda of US war against covid. And this front was united promoting the same message. And the government mandated and enforced the necessary steps.

All of this "don't take my freedom and anti vac" BS could not take hold.

But here we are. We have an incredible vaccine that is proven. It is free and available. We could end this virus if we had 90% vaccination rate. We have around 50%.

So, now every person with doubt can find a "source" to validate their fears.

And the result is people are still dying. When all that goes with that. All the suffering of loved ones etc. All of the pain and tears all of it could end with a shot.

I wonder if people like her thinks Jesus protects you from your own stupidity? I would highly question if he does.

Chargers Colts WFT and ... I forget, were 4 teams lagging behind.
But, given if they were behind 60 days ago, and there was a push before minicamps left out, for teams to all get their vaccine events, and (there is) a universal all 32 teams day set to start training camps on July 27th,

Then they'd still be behind because even if all had 99%, they still would have a larger percent waiting on their 2nd shot. (Pfizer and moderna require a 2nd shot.)

...
13 teams in the NFL have been 85% vaccinated.
(32-13=19) means 19 teams have not.

When you get a answer like that. Unless you are close to the person. The interaction ends.

At the end of 2020 when the begining of a rollout for the vaccine was published. I was going to county websites in Georgia trying to get on the lists. At that time (late Jan) systems were crashing. Everyday I was trying to find a way.

It never occured to me that so many people would choose not to get vaccinated.

You would think fear of dying would do it. If you saw someone die of smallpox or was crippled from polio. And a vaccine became available. The last thing you would think is someone would say; "not me I don't want no stinkin vaccine."

This is the most tragic thing I have seen in my lifetime.

There is no excuse for a country with the resources that US has. The resources that came up with the vaccine.

To handle the covid crisis the way it has been handled.

It is greatest of failures because we had solutions.
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Now we are a victim of our "freedom."

We allowed a quack president and the government to let this happen.

Now we have people getting validation of their fears from sources they trust. Sources with no medical or science expertise. Truly sad. My heart goes out to all the families members that have suffered needlessly.

I should have phrased that better...I was referring to your smarmy quotation marks around "appeared", not that you actually misquoted something. My bad.

smarmy quotation marks.... got it.

I find that empathy goes a lot further with most people when it comes to having a discourse or being persuasive.

The problem is that almost nobody uses that tactic.

JMHO, being an old guy, I got the vaccine as soon as possible- why= I trust doctors, my generation had polio, measles, mumps, all kinds of disease gone (mostly) because we trusted government, docs, institutions.

Some Republicans/Democrats/others chose not to get vaccinated. OK, businesses, schools, government need to say you can't work, buy, go to school unless you get vaccinated. I'm all for that.

Your freedom shouldn't cost me my life/ or anyone ones.

I just hope- my opinion, the idiots- don't cost us the NFL season or the economy to tank again. Their opinion, fake news, ya right, everyone is lying.

jc

51 percent of unvaccinated individuals think the COVID-19 vaccine contains a microchip

Brigid Kennedy, Contributing Writer
Mon, July 19, 2021, 2:32 PM·1 min read

In the latest in head-scratching news, one in five Americans believes the COVID-19 vaccine contains a microchip, a recent Economist/YouGov poll reveals.

When respondents were asked how likely they thought it to be true that "the U.S. government is using [the vaccine] to microchip the population," 20 percent of U.S. adults said they thought it "definitely/probably true" and 14 percent weren't sure. 66 percent denied such a claim as "definitely/probably false." Notably, when broken down by vaccination status, 51 percent of "vaccine rejectors" believed the microchip theory, as opposed to just 9 percent of those who are fully vaccinated.

On a more broad level, 85 percent of those who don't want to get vaccinated believed the "threat of the coronavirus was exaggerated for political reasons."

The Economist and YouGov surveyed 1,500 people between July 10-13, 2021. Results have a margin of error of approximately 3 percent.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/51-percent-unvaccinated-individuals-think-183243969.html

Seems like YOUGOV needs to buy a calculator... If 50% of the public hasn't had the vaccine, and 50% of them thinks there is a "chip", that would be one in four Americans, not one in five.

Not that it matters, most people don't trust any polls, let alone those from a company that pays people to do polls from home.

57% of Americans have been vaccinated.
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/

So 43% are unvaccinated
51% of that is 21%
21% is pretty close to 1 in 5

Fox News correspondent-at-large Geraldo Rivera on Monday ripped into the "crazy" notion that not getting the COVID-19 is a "constitutional right."

"Hearing crazy talk on cable TV right now about folks having the constitutional right not to get vaccinated. Yes (they may be dopey) but they do have that right," Rivera, who has been a vocal proponent of getting vaccinated in recent weeks, said in a tweet. "We too have rights: to deny the unvaccinated access to our home, school or business."

It's not clear precisely what Rivera was referring to, but his tweet came as some hosts on Fox News such as Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham continue to spread misinformation on the vaccine and rail against restrictions related to COVID-19.

On Monday morning, "Fox & Friends" co-host Brian Kilmeade defended people who do not want to get vaccinated. Kilmeade also argued it was not the government's job to prevent people from dying.


When co-host Steve Doocy stated that 99% of the people who are dying from COVID are unvaccinated, echoing comments made by Dr. Anthony Fauci earlier this month, Kilmeade replied, "That's their choice."

Doocy on Monday's show pushed against conspiracy theories surrounding the vaccine and urged people to get the shot.

"If you have the chance, get the shot, it will save your life," Doocy told viewers.

On Monday, it was also reported that Fox News has implemented a strict COVID-19 policy that includes a form of a vaccine passport that hosts like Carlson and Ingraham have passionately condemned.


https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-geraldo-rivera-says-212701012.html

Not that I'm into splitting hairs, but even the link you just posted shows 49% are fully vaccinated.

Anyone that believes that one in four OR one in five Americans believes there is a chip in the vaccine needs to quit taking the internet so seriously.

At least 186,038,501 people or 57% of the population have received at least one dose.

Overall, 161,232,483 people or 49% of the population have been fully vaccinated.


The above is a direct quote from the article.
So yes, when you say 49% are fully vaccinated that is true but 57% are in the process of being vaccinated. The point is those who are getting vaccinated vs those who are not.

I never took you for a twist the facts to manipulate the meaning kind of guy.

Will we ever get numbers of people who refused the 2nd Moderna or Pfizer shot.

A government controlled media who regularly lies, or is found lying, or denys truth, or doubles down on lies, or questions the truth,
and a technology industry which regularly brings out new technology, then immediately claims the new tech needs to be secured against theft of information, by those same folks who just released the technology,

and a political congress and climate that regularly brings false allegations, or true allegations, or nobody knows if they are true allegations from the days of the Clinton presidency on,

With everything from Hilarys' Benghazi, to false accusations of collusion with Russia against Trump, to Edward Snowden revealing, alleged government spying on Americnans, and everything from nightly newscasts attacking everything from the NRA, to The Border, to the Police, and on the opposite end denying climate change, to teachers teaching more identities to children than actual learning concepts, plus human trafficking, drugs with cartels, violent shooting problems,
and then you throw in, a government that regularly advertises through media that they went back through history and used deception in the past, on a regular basis, and make movies about tons of incidences of deception,
even if it were criminals they were deceiving, but now the same government wants the mass multitudes to take them at their word, because we need to,
When they haven't been straight with their words in the past,
and nevermind economics, how everything is a shell game, and it is more common to get screwed over than to be dealt a fair balanced deal. In all walks of life,
it's no wonder people don't trust institutions anymore.

Is this a deep fake?

Like you, I'm an old guy.. I have the ailments that make me more likely to get Covid.

Frankly, I was more afraid of Covid than I was of the Vax...

In other news 51 percent of unvaccinated individuals must have escaped from the nut house.

Where ever they live is a nut's house.

j/c

The crazy lady is at it again.....

Twitter suspends Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene for 'misleading' COVID-19 information

Twitter said it had suspended the account of Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene for 12 hours as she came back on the platform and accused them of censorship.

The social media platform suspended Greene around 9 p.m ET on Monday for violating its policy after posting misleading two tweets about COVID-19.

After staying quiet overnight, Greene emerged back on Twitter shortly after 9 a.m. ET Tuesday criticizing the platform, saying it censored her and violated "my freedom of speech," and compared Twitter to "Communist China."

Greene ran afoul of Twitter's policies for two tweets posted Sunday and Monday by saying that the coronavirus wasn't dangerous for people under the age of 65 who are not obese, and said vaccines should not be required.

"We took enforcement action on the account @mtgreenee for violations of the Twitter Rules, specifically the COVID-19 misleading information policy," a Twitter spokesman said in an emailed statement. According to Twitter, Greene's 12-hour ban was her second strike for repeatedly sharing misinformation about the virus to her nearly 426,000 followers. Greene will get a similar 12-hour ban if she gets a third strike. And the platform will suspend her for seven days if she gets a fourth strike. Greene could be banned from Twitter if she gets a fifth strike.

Greene's tweets still appear on her Twitter account but with a "misleading" tag.

Greene's tweets come as COVID-19 cases across the U.S. continue to climb as the delta variant is now accounting for more than half of the new infections across the country. Last week, a USA TODAY analysis of Johns Hopkins University data determined that all 50 states reported more COVID-19 cases in the most recent seven-day period than in the week before – a 70% spike.

A little less than half of the U.S. population, 48.4%, is fully vaccinated, and a little more than half, 55.9%, has had at least one shot, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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Greene's suspension also comes after President Joe Biden criticized social media platforms to do a better job of fighting the spread of vaccine misinformation on its sites. Biden was hoping to have 70% of American adults at least half-vaccinated by Fourth of July, but the U.S. failed to meet his administration's goal.

The president softened his criticism of Facebook, days after he stirred controversy and said the world's largest social network is “killing people” because of vaccine misinformation the tech giant allows to circulate on its platform.

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"Facebook isn’t killing people," Biden said in response to a reporter's question on Monday. "These 12 people who are out there giving misinformation – anyone listening to it is getting hurt by it."

In March, Twitter said it was taking a tougher stance on pandemic misinformation for repeated violations of its policy, including a 12-hour suspension. This included a brief suspension of Greene's account in April, but Twitter later said that it was a mistake due to an automated error.

"Everyone knows that's a LIE, and it was no mistake," Greene tweeted afterward.

Twitter said since introducing its COVID-19 guidance last year, the platform has "challenged 11.7 million accounts, suspended 1,496 accounts, and removed more than 43,010 pieces of content worldwide."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021...ges/8022752002/

Maybe she's where Peen got the idea of calling everyone who disagrees with him a communist.

I'm not going to dig too deep into the numbers to prove anybody right or wrong but the above articles in different places also reference "adults" and they reference the "population". Obviously a significant portion of the population are not adults... wonder if some are getting twisted in the numbers because of that?

Haha. That's because I'm not.

This is real easy - you're right, I'm wrong. If you want an explanation, I was just looking at vaccination numbers right before your post because someone here posted something along the lines of "less than half" and I thought the number was a lot higher... a quick google search said 49%.

I stand by my real point, if you think 1 in 5 Americans believe there is a "chip" in the vaccine, I say you're crazy.

greene is wasting good oxygen.

She should be placed in a corner with a dunce hat on.

Food and Drug Administration
The United States Food and Drug Administration is a federal agency of the Department of Health and Human Services. The FDA is responsible for protecting and promoting public health through the control and supervision of food safety, tobacco products, dietary supplements, prescription and over-the-counter pharmaceutical drugs, vaccines, biopharmaceuticals, blood transfusions, medical devices, electromagnetic radiation emitting devices, cosmetics, animal foods & feed and veterinary products.

I copied that from the FDA site.


The government is advocating people take substance that hasn't been approved by the FDA.

I went ahead by choice. If I was under 45, I probably wouldn't.

I would encourage people go get a shot, but that is a personal choice, especially being a experimental drug. It's really none of our business what others do.



Yet this is a blame the republicans for killing people.

Sick minds some of you people have..

FDA authorized certain vaccines for emergency use when they proved a minimum acceptable level of safety and effectiveness. The path to approval is a long and arduous one (by design), and so there are processes in place to make devices/treatments available sooner when needed while still ensuring safety.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/learn-more-about-covid-19-vaccines-fda#:~:text=Yes.,the%20authorized%20COVID%2D19%20vaccines.

Do the authorized COVID-19 vaccines work?
Yes. All three FDA-authorized vaccines prevent COVID-19 and serious health outcomes that COVID-19 can cause, including hospitalization and deaths. The FDA thoroughly evaluated and analyzed the safety and effectiveness data for all of the authorized COVID-19 vaccines. The FDA determined that the available data for each vaccine provides clear evidence that the known and potential benefits outweigh the known and potential risks of each vaccine.

right off the fda site.

Guess that explains the current chip shortages.

I like this, it is important for people to get this vaccine and I feel it is important for the government to be certain that vaccines face the full scrutiny of the process to get them verified and certified as safe as other vaccines.

The crunchy outside of Poppeyes chicken doesn't make it better, fine you eat it.

LOL! Now it makes sense!

A Washington post-abc news poll from about 2 weeks ago has found a startling difference between Democrats and Republicans as a relates to covid-19 vaccinations. The poll found that 86% of Democrats have received at least one covid vaccine shot and only 45% of Republicans have. In addition the survey found that while only 6% of Democrats say they would probably decline the vaccine 47% of Republicans said they were probably would not get the shot.

I understand that.

None the less, it hasn't been given full approval. Some people may be waiting for full approval. I can understand that.

I went ahead and got the shot. I figured that if there is some chance it has long term negative effects, I figured that my long term isn't all that long compared to many others. I am entering the short term thinking phase of life. Thus, catching the virus from china posed more immediate negative impact on my health than some ailment that might happen 10 years from now because I might not even have a 10 year window.

In my case, getting the shots made the most sense. For others, maybe not. Maybe the new mutations will encourage more to get vaccinated as this one seems to impact younger people as well.

I have also read that fully vaccinated people are catching Covid, so maybe we are all doomed for a time period? I never thought this vaccine was going to be the be all, end all to this thing. I have a feeling that masks, pandemics, and various shots is going to be the way of life for the best part of the next decade or more. There is a good chance that this football season won't make it through before it's back to masks, no fans in stands, etc.

Get you toilet paper now...lol

I can Not understand why anyone would not get the vaccine.

Chips? Really?

99% of the current deaths are people that are unvaccinated.

Imagine stuggling to breath till you can not.

We get vaccines at birth.

Why you are at it. Sign up for getting smallpox and polio.

And all the others that you can get.

No listen to some station whore with zero medical background in infectous disease.

I'd say that most of us old folks have gotten the vaccine. The reality is it has been mostly elderly and individuals with some aliment that have the toughest go if it catches you.

Face it, if the odds are it isn't going to kill you, the motivation to get the shots isn't as great. Lot's of people don't get a flu shot. That doesn't make sense to me, but I have to admit I didn't get one until I was around 50. That seemed to be the age where the consequences of not started to have a larger impact on people.

The reason given was to not catch the bug, not to not spread the bug. We didn't run around, pointing fingers that if you didn't, you were killing your or someones grandmother.

Can't believe the number of republicans that have recently come out in favor of getting the vaccine.. Hannity, McConnell and Scalise to name a few.

Good for them...,

I always find it interesting to hear people comparing a publicly traded corporation as "Communist China."

You haven't been keeping up have you?

The Delta variant is hitting far more younger people. The average age of death is younger. The average age of those in the ICU has gone down. Hospitalizations and deaths are again on the rise.

And the word "survived". So are saying that being on a ventilator, spending weeks, maybe months in an ICU, having long term effects from the virus isn't a part of your equation because someone "survives"?

As of two days ago 338 million doses of the Covid vaccine have been administered to Americans. The rate of serious side effects in minimal. Far more minimal than most FDA approved drugs. The evidence is in for anyone willing to look at it.

This isn't the 1950's where it takes long periods of time to collect data on pencil and paper. And let's face it, the next line of BS from much of the right you can already predict even once the FDA approves it. Here's pretty much what it will look like.......

"Yeah, but Biden and the left wing media applied pressure to rush the process so it still can't be trusted."

Even in the face of overwhelming evidence right now....Over 95% of hospitalizations are the unvaccinated and all but one death have been unvaccinated, you are still hearing, "Yes but it isn't fully approved by the FDA".

It's just stupid BS.

j/c...

We should be seeing a HUGE outbreak in the Milwaukee area (unless, of course, they're all democrats).

It would help by a wide margin.

As soon as all the kids are vaccinated I hope we send the rest of our doses around the world to help limit the variants. Then I won't care if you've had your vaccine or not. Your choice.

j/c

US doctor reveals what she tells unvaccinated Covid patients

As the US grapples with the surging Delta variant, a doctor has told of her heartwrenching deathbed conversations with unvaccinated patients.

As the United States grapples with the surging Delta variant of Covid-19, medical experts across the country are desperately trying to convince hesitant Americans to get vaccinated.

That includes experts in the national spotlight, such as Anthony Fauci and CDC Director Rochelle Walensky. But doctors at the local level are also speaking out.

One of them is Dr Brytney Cobia.

Dr Cobia works at Grandview Medical Centre in Birmingham, Alabama, the state with the country’s lowest percentage of fully vaccinated people (33.7 per cent).

According to Alabama’s Department of Public Health, 94 per cent of the people hospitalised with covid there since April and 96 per cent of those who’ve died have been unvaccinated.

“I’m admitting young, healthy people to the hospital with very serious covid infections,” Dr Cobia wrote in a heartwrenching Facebook post this week.

“One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late.

“A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honour their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same.

“They cry. And they tell me they didn’t know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin colour they wouldn’t get as sick. They thought it was ‘just the flu’.

“But they were wrong. And they wish they could go back. But they can’t. So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives.”

Alabama exited its state of emergency on July 6, and its Republican Governor, Kay Ivey, has rescinded most covid restrictions.

“This is absolutely now a managed pandemic,” Ms Ivey said in May, when she announced the state of emergency would end.

“Alabama is open and we are moving forward.”

She has urged all Alabamians to get vaccinated.

At the national level, while almost half of eligible Americans are fully vaccinated – some 160 million people – about two-thirds of the nation’s counties still have vaccine coverage below 40 per cent. And the pace of the vaccine rollout has been slowing steadily for months.

In mid-April, the US was averaging more than three million vaccinations per day. That figure is now hovering at just over 500,000.

The country missed President Joe Biden’s goal of giving at least 70 per cent of adults one dose by Independence Day on July 4, having beaten previous targets.

Meanwhile, covid infections and hospitalisations are rising in all 50 states. Last week the US averaged 239 deaths per day, an increase of 48 per cent over the previous week.

“The majority of these deaths could be prevented with a simple, safe, available vaccine,” Dr Walensky, head of the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, told a congressional hearing on Tuesday.

“Areas with limited vaccine are allowing for the emergence and rapid spread of the highly transmissible Delta variant.”

Dr Walensky revealed that the Delta variant now accounts for 83 per cent of new cases in the US. That’s a “dramatic increase” from the week of July 3, when it was about 50 per cent.

She said the CDC was engaging “trusted community leaders”, such as doctors and pastors, to reinforce messages about the efficacy and safety of the vaccines.

“The overwhelming number of deaths from Covid-19 are now occurring in unvaccinated people. Vaccines are widely available across the country, and this suffering and loss is simply and entirely preventable.”

Those remarks followed a public health briefing on Friday, at which Dr Walensky referred to covid in the US as a “pandemic of the unvaccinated”.

“We are seeing outbreaks of cases in parts of the country that have low vaccination coverage, because unvaccinated people are at risk, and the communities that are fully vaccinated are generally faring well,” she said.

“The good news is that if you’re fully vaccinated, you are protected against severe covid, hospitalisation and death, and are even protected against the known variants, including the Delta variant.

“If you are not vaccinated, you remain at risk. And our biggest concern is that we’re going to continue to see preventable cases, hospitalisations and, sadly, deaths among the unvaccinated.”

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronaviru...c341e86ccf7a97c

I'll be curious to see what comes out of that, honestly. I don't know and don't really care about the political demographics of that crowd, but I wouldn't want to be in the middle of it if I wasn't vaccinated.

The bolded text is tragically sad. I can't imagine what it must be like to go through this over and over.


The compassionate half of me laments these senseless, avoidable deaths.

The cynical half of me thinks that perhaps Mother Nature has found a very efficient way to 'fix stupid.'

Parade on Thursday for a team that waited 50 years for the trophy.

Death by ignorance.

Listening to network prostitutes.

Associating those who get vaccinated with the other side.

Most of this comes from the messenger. Seeking sources who will validate conspirancy.

What a mess.

I pretty much agree with you.

I do feel differently in some respects. If these people had come to these conclusions on their own I would feel exactly as you do. But they are being spoon fed misinformation and being swayed into believing these things by people they thought they could trust. Betrayal on that level is among the likes of something we've never seen before. I guess on some level I can understand how they may find it hard to believe that the very people they chose to believe and trust would advocate giving them a potential death sentence.

I must say I'm very happy to see some of the Republican governors, people like Hannity and Scalice stepping up to the plate and reversing course to promote the vaccine. Are they a day late and a dollar short? I think so. But as they say, better late than never.

I completely agree with you.

That speaks to my earlier statement on Tucker Carlson. Getting the vaccine (which we know he did), but then speaking out against the "dangers" or "worthlessness" of getting the vaccine, like he repeatedly does, is a whole new level of wrong.

Yes, because it appears that democrats are smart enough to get vaccinated or if not vaccinated, they either wear a mask or stay home..

Makes perfect sense to me..

I feel sort of like that now. I don't care if you refuse the vaccine because I'm vaccinated and shouldn't die from covid even if I do catch it.

Biden should just make the vaccines available for Dems only... then GOPers would scream, "mah rights!" and run out to get vaccinated. They're a simple bunch so a little reverse psychology should work wonders for boosting the number of vaccinated.

We all have a responsibility to each other when it comes to Covid.

jc

from Bidens townhall yesterday



The guy complaining about misinformation is spreading misinformation. You can't make this stuff up.

Run that statement through the 'dementia' and general 'clueless' filters/translators and I think you can get to what he meant to say...

Getting vaccinated vs COVID is a good thing. People that aren't getting vaccinated are at a higher risk vs Delta variants.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...den/8052527002/

Gaffe aside, there are some interesting tidbits of info that I wasn't aware of, and perhaps others weren't as well.

-Expect EUA's to start rolling out for 5-11 age range shortly after they get back to school (Biden seems to be pushing for sooner, though).

-EUA for younger than 5 would happen "soon" after that. Not sure what means.

J/c

POLITICO: Klobuchar targets vaccine misinformation with Section 230 bill.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/22/klobuchar-vaccine-misinformation-section-230-bill-500554

So genuine question for posters ....

What is the most important element to consider? Freedom of speech? Protecting the public? Protecting the nation? Clearly the ability for online social media content to spread like wild fire is virtually unprecedented... Does that matter?

Websites will be way over-modderated than they currently are if that passes.

Let me give you the translation to the Trumpian responses you will get.

"We have the right to post all the lies we want and nobody should be able to stop us. Even if it's a danger to public health or our democracy! We'll use false flags like freedom of speech to defend it!"

Even though if you read the constitution it's easy to see that freedom of speech has nothing to do with it.

It wont pass anyways. GOP wont vote for it, and big tech will be against it, and they will pull their congressional puppet strings.

I don't care if it passes. I care or wonder about what fellow dawgs think.

Is misinformation covered by freedom of speech? Let it rid or should people consider how to regulate? I'm not suggesting the legislation proposed is the answer or not. Just exploring the concept.

Sounds like something China would do.

You're so RIGHT! He should have said you are 95% protected from getting it. ZINGER! Got you Biden! That 5% means everything to those clinging to antivaxxer propaganda.

You're so WRONG!

He shouldn't say anything like that, there's not enough info to establish an efficacy rate against the Delta strain (according to our CDC). Most estimates are that current vaccines are between 40% and 80%.

That's interesting. Cincy Children's (the branch in your direction) was offering trials. My daughter is immuno-compromised/high risk for COVID so we were interested in signing her up, but the wait list was about 10 miles long by the time we even inquired.

Oh you are probably right on the delta variant. I have no idea how effective they are against the mutation. But the general gist is the same. You are better off with than without the vaccine.

I read somewhere that studies are only beginning to come on regarding current vaccines and the latest variant. I don't think they've settled on a % yet.

Israel seems to have a pretty good understanding on the numbers.

In short. The Pfizer Vax used in Israel is still very effective at preventing serious illness, but is only somewhere around 40% effective at preventing illness.

This is our new reality and people are going to need to come to terms with it. Covid is here to stay just like the 1918 Spanish Flu. We need to find ways to make living with Covid bearable.

If you get the shot, then you will most likely have a better immune response when you eventually get Covid and you will be less likely to be hospitalized.

I thought the 40% number was more of a worst-case scenario. I read there are a couple of competing studies going on, with more data coming in.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/h....-delta-variant

j/c

Alabama governor: 'It's time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks' for rise in COVID-19 cases

Alabama Republican Gov. Kay Ivey on Thursday called out "the unvaccinated folks" for the rise in Covid-19 cases in her state, a remarkable plea at a time when many GOP leaders are refusing to urge people to get vaccinated even as Covid-19 cases surge in many parts of the country.

"Folks are supposed to have common sense. But it's time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. It's the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down," Ivey told reporters in Birmingham.

Alabama is the least vaccinated state in the country, with roughly 33.9% of residents fully vaccinated, according to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Average daily Covid-19 cases in Alabama are nearly double what they were a week ago, and more than four times higher than they were two weeks ago.

Asked by reporters Thursday about plans to issue a mask mandate or other restrictions now that Covid cases are starting to rise again in her state, Ivey replied, "The new cases of Covid are because of unvaccinated folks. Almost 100% of the new hospitalizations are with unvaccinated folks. And the deaths are certainly occurring with unvaccinated folks."

The unvaccinated, Ivey said, are "choosing a horrible lifestyle of self-inflicted pain."

"We've got to get folks to take the shot," she continued, calling the vaccine "the greatest weapon we have to fight Covid."

Alabama has received billions in federal relief funds from the stimulus package passed by Congress and signed by President Joe Biden earlier this year. The state has offered some small incentives to get vaccinated, including offering two laps around the Talladega Superspeedway in May. But unlike other states, Alabama has not used the federal relief money for an incentive program, scholarships or lotteries, AL.com has reported. Earlier this month, Ivey said there was no need for an incentive plan for vaccinations.

On Thursday, Ivey insisted that she's done "all I know how to do" in managing the situation. When asked what it would take to get more people to get shots, she replied, "I don't know, you tell me."

Ivey ended the state's mask mandate in April, at the time favoring personal responsibility rather than a government mandate. The CDC had announced in May that fully vaccinated people would no longer have to wear masks.

But now with the Delta variant spreading, experts are saying vaccinated and unvaccinated people should wear masks in areas where Covid-19 cases are high but vaccination rates are low.

Ivey on Thursday was asked by a reporter what it would take to implement a mask mandate, and replied that "I want folks to get vaccinated" and "why would we want mess around with just temporary stuff?"

The governor said she received both doses of the Covid vaccine in December.

"It's safe, it's effective, the data proves that it works, doesn't cost anything. It saves lives," she said.

Asked about whether she would recommend children who are too young to be vaccinated wear a mask when they return to school, Ivey said that the decision would be left up to school districts.

In recent days -- amid surges largely occurring in states former President Donald Trump won in 2020 -- increasing numbers of Republicans and conservative media figures have called upon Americans to get the vaccine after months of declining to press the issue. But many Republican leaders still won't say publicly​ whether they are vaccinated and Trump himself has cast the vaccine in political terms, suggesting people aren't taking it because "they don't trust (Biden's) Administration."

https://mtstandard.com/news/national/ala...2b77689df1.html

Wow, she's definitely reached a frustration point.

I'll try to look at this objectively and just state facts. Hopefully I don't screw this up.

On one hand, you have 600K+ reported dead in the U.S. from COVID. Currently, the vast majority of people being hospitalized for COVID have not been vaccinated. Almost 100% of the current deaths are also for people who have not been vaccinated.

The virus has already proven deadly. Now, there are variants that are resulting from the virus multiplying itself in various hosts and then spreading. Some of the variants appear to be more contagious and more deadly than the novel version.
If the virus was prevented from multiplying itself more, it would also mutate less, and there would be less (or less frequent) variant development.

There have been multiple vaccines developed for the virus. The vaccines have been shown to be effective, or at least much more effective at warding off COVID than not getting vaccinated. The vaccines have not been fully approved by the FDA, but were approved for early use authorization. The vaccine has been in place for nearly half a year. So far, no long-term or other major consequences or side effects have come to light.

With all that in mind, you have a scenario with a virus that has been proven to be deadly, and can mutate into an even more deadly form. That is here and that is a proven fact.

On the other hand, you have multiple vaccines approved for early use authorization that MIGHT have some sort of effect. There is - to my knowledge - no scientific fact or indication behind any side effects, only speculation.

So, is it that people who don't get the vaccine would rather take their chances with a known deadly virus vs. just the narrow possibility that the vaccine could have some sort of side effect?

If I am playing the odds, I think I know where my bet is (which is why I've been vaccinated).

I'd play the odds as well, and did.

I think the latest variant is from India.

Not that one can't or hasn't developed here.

I mean, follow next.

Follow previous.
If you take a look at these two posts, If you take a look at Bidens' statement,
(First I thought, it sounds like he is repeating what his handlers keep telling him.)

I can just hear in my head, a bunch of doctors constantly re- parrot- ing the phrasing, to Biden to reassure his brain that He, (Biden) won't get covid because he has the vaccine.

Now, IF any of that were real, as I'm speculating, then putting that whole situation through the ole-
"dementia and general/clueless filters/translators"-

then Yes, Biden would be a shell of anyone in charge of anything. Somebody's in charge!
I don't doubt somebody is in Charge of the USA, I just don't know how anyone can rationaly, criticaly, believe it's Biden.

But Biden is presented, so, "Is it OK that whomever is actually in charge is allowed to remain in the shadows while Biden is presented as the leader.?"

(Maybe,.. they are mocking us, with how obvious it is that Biden is almost clearly unable to grasp difficult concepts, and they, whomever they are,
can point to Biden and tell us This is your president, and there is nothing we can do about it.)

Everyone should be Clear, the most dangerous thing in America today, is that the Left is treating the Right the way the ******** treated the *******.and where it leads.

Would make the covid outbreak look like a slap on the wrist.

The worst thing about a pandemic, other than the deaths, is that it encompasses the entire world. There is A LOT OF STUPID in the entire world.

How?

I love Mad Libs!!!

damn.
well-played.

+1

Yesterday my chore was to take my 8 year old grandson to his school for a teacher introduction (last year was remote) and get the bus schedule.

So, there were many parents and kids there for this short meeting. Roughly half wore masks.

Oliver has a heart murmur. Not dangerous but it has to be monitored. His doctor said he could attend school.

As soon as the vaccine is available for his age group. He will get the vaccine.

Mask mandates are States decisions. So, in this case they are optional.

I don't get it. I am all about "freedom of choice" however, in the case of a public health pandemic. We are not dealing with "the individual". We are dealing with "public health."

An invicted individual should not have the "freedom" to say I get to choose about being in indoors with others in a room.

That does not make sense.

So, now in school half have a mask on which of course doubles the risk.

It does not matter about a childs immune system. Sure one kid could show no symptoms. It could kill another kid. He could also bring it home even though all at home are vaccinated.

It is clear that a vaccinated person can get the virus. So, a vaccinated person can still be a carrier.

We can reduce this risk by simply mandating masks at school till the threat is very low.

At this point I find that Joe Public does not have the common sense to come in out of the rain. And decisions regarding public health has to be taken from the individual.

What is so ironic is. When we moved from Georgia to Nevada.
My two grandsons could not attend school without current vaccine records. You can not attend school in Georgia without certain immunization shots.

Yet here we are with a deadly virus and we can not even mandate a cheap effective way to help stop spreading a deadly virus?

Isn't freedom great?

If there was ever a question that the term common sense should be changed to uncommon sense, this pandemic should certainly have settled that issue.

I hear all these arguments about the vaccine.

It boggles the mind.

If you had leukemia and faced a vague and uncertain outcome.

And a new treatment was just released receiving all of the same qualifying criteria that the covid vaccine has received. All the tests. And the same results so far from these covid vaccines.

Would you opt to take it?(rhetorical)

Done deal for me. No doubt.
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The current numbers that one would consider. Infection rate of unvaccinated. Infection rate of vaccinated. Symptoms. Hospitalizations. Deaths.

The numbers dramatically scream: get the shot.

We face decisions that determine are lives all the time. Don't we favor taking the ones with the best odds for success?

You figure you will always have people beyond reach. The 10 to 20 perecent.

As Americans if we can not achieve 75% vaccination.

We better start on investigating the educational system and mental health.

We used to "think" it was 10% to 20%. Now we know better than that.

It's all about fear factor.

The people who mocked us for wearing a mask: "you can't live your life in fear" are afraid to get the vaccine. Ironic.

Oh geez. Which should be removed as misinformation?!

NY Times? WaPo? Ben?

Bro, I love you, but you have been preaching about communism in all these threads and now you’re bringing up the fear factor.

American arrogance on full display, we have access to end a global pandemic,. Suddenly 50% of Americans know more than all of medicine, science, and history?

Case study in natural selection.

It is shameful really.

As a country with the resources and wealth that surrounds us to have ignorance spoon feed to the population through counter sources doing so for profit is appauling.

The people who are avoiding vaccination get their information from someplace. You don't have over 600k people dead from a virus and then say no thank you to a solution.

I know where they got their info

You'll certainly never see the right do that to FOX News, OAN, Newsmax or Breibart. They all have their marching orders and everyone follows like ducks in a row.

You are nothing but a lab rat.

This so called vaccine HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE FDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You and your rolling over to the GOVT. hoards are the ignorant ones!!!!!!!!!

Alex Busko is an ER physician and critical care fellow. His writing has appeared in the New York Times, New England Journal of Medicine, Emergency Physicians Monthly and Neurosurgery. The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely his own.

In the early stages of the pandemic, my sickest patients were almost exclusively older people with chronic health problems. But after the vaccine rollout and the giddy days of “reopening” – followed by the arrival of the more contagious Delta variant – all that changed.


Now the patients I see, frightened and struggling to breathe, are mostly in their 30s, 40s and 50s. They come from different racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. Many of them have no identifiable risk factors. The one thing many of them have in common: They are all unvaccinated.

The more than 40% of Americans who remain unvaccinated now account for 97% of all Covid-19 hospitalizations and 99.2% of deaths. Hundreds of Americans are dying every day from a vaccine-preventable illness.

Over 163,000 million Americans have been fully vaccinated and they are just fine. Few serious side effects or deaths associated with them. Approximately 95% of those currently hospitalized are unvaccinated. About 98% of all Covid deaths are among the unvaccinated.

They say ignorance is bliss. I'm going to guess that you are a very happy man.

Covid cases are up 58% from last week and deaths are up well over 30%.

Good luck to you.

This statement alone defines the level of stupidity amongst the anti vaxxers and unvaccinated, "Hundreds of Americans are dying every day from a vaccine-preventable illness."

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Yet, the vaccinated aren't getting Covid at anywhere near the rate of the unvaccinated...

Who's ignorant?

Bruh, you were spouting off about how I was going to get Bells Palsy from the vaccine. Still waiting on that…

It is mind numbing that there are likely people who scream for the use of unapproved FDA medication would not take the vaccine even though hundreds of millions of doses have been administered.

Selective stupidity, or future Darwin Award winner..

The last time a southern belief hit tUSA this hard, was segregation.

It's different now, with the variant (or at least in Massachusetts it is):

CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-stud...vaccinated.html

Deny facts about documented number regarding covid.

The more than 40% of Americans who remain unvaccinated now account for 97% of all Covid-19 hospitalizations and 99.2% of deaths. Hundreds of Americans are dying every day from a vaccine-preventable illness.

Keep rolling the dice against the odds see where that leads.

Seek truth from verifiable sources. If you have a personal doctor you trust. Ask your doctor.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chart-less-0-1-vaccinated-154658770.html


Chart: Less than 0.1% of vaccinated Americans have tested positive for COVID-19

Oriana Gonzalez
Sat, July 31, 2021, 5:15 PM·1 min read
Data: CDC and state Covid dashboards. Dani Alberti/Axios

Of the 164 million vaccinated Americans, around 125,000 people have tested positive for breakthrough infections and 0.001% have died, according to state data compiled from state dashboards by NBC and data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Why it matters: While "breakthrough cases" have been getting media attention, the low numbers show that the pandemic is mostly a threat for the unvaccinated population.

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The numbers do not account for asymptomatic cases in the vaccinated or those who did not get tested. The CDC only tracks cases of those hospitalized or deaths.

NBC notes that the total number of breakthrough cases is likely higher since nine states did not have any information while 11 states, like Florida, did not provide death and hospitalization totals.

"[V]accination is the most important strategy to prevent severe illness and death," the CDC noted in a recent report.

Leaked CDC presentation slides showed that unpublished research indicated that the Delta variant causes more severe illness in unvaccinated people and spreads as easily as chickenpox.

By the numbers: Only 0.004% of those vaccinated that were later infected have been hospitalized from the virus and .001% have died, per the CDC.

The big picture: More than half of the entire American population are not yet fully vaccinated, CDC data shows. Nationwide, the number of cases has been increasing since around late June.

Thanks for posting this article. This is horrible news. We'll be back in lock down by September or October at this rate.

164,000,000 * .004% = 6,560 Hospitalized

164,000,000 * .001% = 1,640 Deaths

Those small percentages seem much bigger when translated to actual numbers. 1640 did what they were supposed to do to be safe and died anyway. That's a small percentage of the 620K covid deaths for sure, but it's not an insignificant number IMHO.

My friend’s father is one of those statistics. He died recently of COVID after being fully vaccinated. That said he was also on medications to suppress his immune system as he had a kidney transplant a few years back. My guess is more than a handful of those that COVID claimed, post vaccination, had similar health issues complicating their situation.

Yet these same people choke down hot dogs, pork rinds, Mountain Dew Code Red, and other corrosive sludge without so much as reading the list of ingredients on the packaging.

Really concerned about their health, they are.

Florida Emerges As Epicenter Of COVID Outbreak: ‘Numbers Are Unbelievably Frightening’
By Jessica VallejoJuly 30, 2021 at 11:22 pmFiled Under:Coronavirus, Jessica Vallejo, Local TV, Miami News

MIAMI (CBSMiami) – Florida is becoming the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, and just this week, cases jumped 50 percent, with more than 110,000 new cases reported.

Case numbers are now back to where they were in January before the vaccine became available.


“There is no higher risk area in the United States than we’re seeing here,” said Dr. Aileen Marty, FIU infectious disease expert.

“The numbers that we’re seeing are unbelievable, just unbelievably frightening.”

According to the Florida Health Department, the new positivity rate for all of Florida is at 18.1%. In Broward, it’s 14%, Miami-Dade is at 12.1%, and Monroe County is at 16.2%.

And according to the Florida Hospital Association, COVID-19 hospitalizations are nearing last year’s peak.

Florida now has more people hospitalized than any other state.

Dr. Yvonne Johnson, Chief Medical Officer at Baptist South Miami Hospital, said the number of patients in her COVID ward has quadrupled in the past 3 weeks.

“Eighty to eighty-five percent of those people who are hospitalized are unvaccinated. And 100 percent of the people in my IUC are unvaccinated. All those people are suffering unnecessarily.”

READ MORE:
COVID-19 Testing Sites In South Florida
Other hospitals like Memorial Health Care System say they are overwhelmed

“This morning, we had over 420 patients with COVID. And 55 are in the ICU.”

“In the ICU, 55 people are fighting for their lives and only one of them is vaccinated.”

“Most of the patients are in their 30s and 40s and it is very sad to have someone die in the ICU by themselves without a touch of someone’s face of seeing loved ones,” said Juana Mejia, a COVID ICU nurse manager.

According to the Florida Health Department, 61% of the population is vaccinated.

While some still choose not to get their vaccine Friday at Tropical Parkm people said the Delta variant has alarmed them.

“I’m getting it for the first time because of the new variant.”

This woman brought her 85-year-old grandma.

Live in Florida retirement golf community, most of us have gone back to what we were doing last year. Why, they/we opened up and had normal dance at clubhouse- large outbreak. This variate is real and dangerous. JMHO- nearly all old people have been vaccinated, my mid forties daughter got covid from husband/ he got it riding in work truck with a carrier. She now has afib. The long term effects of this disease aren't known, effect everyone differently. Better safe than sorry. Peace to all.

We’re really about to find out what DeSantis is made up of. He can keep gaslighting and doubling down on his political point to keep rallying his base, or he can admit he was wrong and save lives. I think I know what he will do.

DeSantis signs order withholding state funds from schools with mask mandates

https://www.wfla.com/community/health/co...-in-cape-coral/

He contiunes to become the best advocate a virus could possibly have in its efforts to infect people.

What a stupid, stupid man.
The very people he needs for re-election are dropping like flies.

Base? What base? You mean that shrinking group increasingly being zipped into body bags?

________________________________


This cruel irony would be side-splittingly hilarious, were it not for all the "slow singin' and flower bringin'."

It's a great time to run a funeral home in FL.

DeSantis: Local communities should be the ones who decide how to deal with the virus.

Also DeSantis: No, not like that.

It’s easier to harness rage and unbridled desperation than to help others, I guess.

I dare any of you libs to watch this video:

https://www.banned.video/watch?id=6105f7fa8d41ce210cec489c

Attendee at St. Louis County Council vote to overturn mask mandate tests positive for Covid-19
By Aya Elamroussi and Andy Rose, CNN

Updated 5:51 AM ET, Sun August 1, 2021
Health official describes racist attack after council meeting on masks


Health official describes racist attack after council meeting on masks 02:21
(CNN)A person who attended a St. Louis County Council meeting last week where officials voted to overturn a mask mandate has tested positive for Covid-19, officials said Saturday.

"Out of an abundance of caution it is recommended that anyone who attended the council meeting quarantine for the next nine days and monitor their symptoms," the St. Louis health department said Saturday in a news release.
The city and county of St. Louis announced a mask mandate last week that required people five and older to wear masks in indoor public spaces and on public transportation following a spike in cases of Covid-19.

The move was met with resistance from both local and state officials.
Missouri's attorney general filed a lawsuit the day the mandate went into effect.
Meanwhile, the St. Louis County Council voted 5-2 Tuesday to overturn the mask mandate, which was announced by County Executive Dr. Sam Page the day prior.
It was an attendee of that meeting that tested positive for Covid-19. Most of those who made a public comment at the meeting were in favor of reversing the mask mandate and few wore masks.

St. Louis County public health official says he was called racial slurs after council meeting on mask mandate
Despite the vote, Page said the mask mandate is still in effect until the lawsuit is resolved.
Faisal Khan, acting director of the Saint Louis County Department of Public Health spoke at the meeting to explain the public health rationale behind the mask mandate and later told CNN he faced "racist, xenophobic, and threatening behavior" from the crowd

I’m not a lib, but I opened the video and started watching. Okay, first off, it’s Alex Jones. Yes, the same Alex Jones who has denied Sandy Hook, 9/11 and the Moon Landing. The same one that goes from Info Wars.

So that sets the stage.

He literally says - right around 4 minutes - that the vaccine turns our bodies into “Engines of Death.” If that isn’t sensational fear mongering, I don’t know what is. That’s when he lost me. He said that was cited from “the inventor of the MRNA” method.

Okay. So I googled “Inventor of MRNA” and found multiple sources stating that Robert Malone - who Alex Jones holds as the inventor - is an absolute falsehood.

What I have seen bolstered over and over again by multiple studies, clinical research, and a spectrum of news sources is the effectiveness of the vaccine against serious illness and death. To add to that, there are the numbers of those who are dying directly correlated to not receiving the vaccine.

I have received the vaccine. It was several months ago. Many people I know, including those on this board, liberal, conservative, libertarian, etc. have received the vaccine, and none of them have suffered any side effects other than the initial tiredness and fatigue that was short-lived.

You yourself posted something along the lines of “Go get the vaccine if you want Bells Palsy.”

I did not acquire it. I also don’t know a single person who did after getting the vaccine. Not one.

I implore you to please leave the fear and leave the pride behind. If someone tells you something - including me or anyone else - to not just believe it. Research it. Challenge it. Look objectively. I know it’s not always easy and it’s hard to leave our biases. I struggle on that front as much as anyone.

But this fringe stuff has really, really made people go crazy. People who otherwise have all the tools and the makeup to be intelligent and informed.

I am having a hard time figuring out "why they would do it though"?

financial gain-how
political power-you mostly are killing the people that make up your base
manipulating the inept and unread-you don't need to put these peoples lives in danger to do that-we live in a 2 party political system-people are getting manipulated every day

There are many many people who would rather listen to someone like Alex Jones who essentially lies for a living, with the ethos that the more sensational and outrageous the lie, the more money he makes because his audience is larger ... Than they'd rather do 2 minutes of basic research to see what is claimed makes any sense at all.

you are beyond help

You are.

Keep living in your CNN world.

Good Riddance!

You must have a monthly prespcription of:

Alex Jones "brain pills."

Those pills have found fertile soil.

Here is the playbook of Alex Jones:
super brown guru.

The Southern Poverty Law Center describes him as "the most prolific conspiracy theorist in contemporary America".

Jones has provided a platform and support for white nationalists, as well as serving as an "entry point" to their ideology.

Jones has promoted conspiracy theories alleging that the United States government either concealed information about or outright falsified the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School mass shooting, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the September 11 attacks, and the 1969 Moon landing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones[

When you have no external enemy, you find enemies within.

Us versus them mentality. Also a Pink Floyd song.

You dare us to watch Alex Jones talk ish about things he's clueless about. You're a laugh a minute... and a little nuts if you think we would find a damn thing of value in anything Alex Jones has to say. The guy is a walking talking looney toons character from a really bad racist cartoon.

Alex Jones is apparently someone you think tells the truth..

Ask him to prove his points and he'll fold like a cheap tent.

"Get your red hot covid fix and solution from me Alex Jones." "Only I and my products can save you."
"This is even better than hydroxychloroquine."

"Order your monthly prescription from me Alex Jones."

"Make all checks out to me Alex Jones."

super brown has been using Alex Jones "brain pills for years.

Pretty obvious right?

"Jones has spread conspiracy theories about the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting and 2018 Stoneman Douglas High School shooting being false flag operations by gun control advocates. He stated "no one died" in Sandy Hook and Stoneman Douglas survivor David Hogg was a crisis actor.[179][180][181] These claims have been proven false.[182][183]

On March 12, 2020, Jones was issued a cease and desist from the Attorney General of New York, after he claimed, in complete absence of evidence, that products he sold, including colloidal silver toothpaste and dietary supplements, were an effective treatment for COVID-19.[102][103][104] The Food and Drug Administration also sent him a letter on April 9, 2020, warning that the federal government might proceed to seize the products he was marketing for COVID-19 or fine him if he continued to sell them."[105]

"Stock up now on your silver toothpaste and brain pills.
take advantage of out bulk discount like super brown does. You will get a 1.1% discount. But remember this is a limited time offer."

In case there anyone wondering about Alex Jones's education.

He got a participation trophy for attending a half semister at "Austin Community College" before dropping out.

So when it comes to knowing what is is all about.

Alex Jones has all the answers.

j/c

For anyone refusing to see just how dangerous Alex Jones and disinformation from the right is, just look at what it's done to SuperBrown as your evidence.

"Personal foul, piling on- 15 yards. Bonefish, Charger, GM, Daman, Pit."


wow.
Really sux 2B StuporBrown today...

My post was more of a cautionary tale.

When one uses Alex Jones as a reference. One needs to be prepared for a righteous assault.

A true knuckle dragging moron with the IQ of a fruitfly.

I'm guilty and proud of it

Poor guy.

My brother in law was home schooled. Never went to college. Only got a SSN when he was marrying my sister.

He is, literally, the best mechanic you've ever met. He can fix anything. He's got about 20 4 wheelers and jet ski's sitting at his place right now, waiting to be fixed.

He installs $20,000 satellite units in tractors that cost $500,000.

He can wire homes, he lays tile in homes. Home schooled, no college.

Do I say this in defense of Alex Jones? No. dude is out there. But don't dump on people that don't have the 'education' you want.

I know nurses that have used bleach on their carpets. Doctors that spray their yard with roundup.

One doesn't need an education to be 'smart'.

And, it's not "semister", it's "semester".....so before casting stones about education, spelling would be something you may want to look into.

Again, I'm not defending a.j. - just saying education isn't an automatic "in".

Alex Jones has all the answers? No. Neither does pit.

I pointed his education out because is trying to pass himself off as "expert."

Way different then what you are thinking.

If you are a home schooled mechanic you don't sell yourself as what he is professing.

I didn't use spellcheck. I thought one thing and typed another. It's a age thing.

All the other stuff about the yard? Education and common sense sometimes are not partners.

This is about him Alex Jones saying nobody died at Sandy Hook.

Cool. I don't listen to a.j. Other than when someone posts about him on here.

Uh...........bro in law is not a 'home schooled mechanic" by the way.

Pit is the only 'home schooled expert' on anything and everything. Ask him.

Yep. Imagine wiping with those claws.

j/c...

I'm glad some of them are regaining their senses in the face of certain death... there may be hope yet.

Certain death? Covid's death rate is about .01%

Thanks Captain Obvious. My words, my way.

Well, yenno, the sky is always falling for the libtards.

Don't know any libtards so I couldn't tell you.

Libtards are a mythical creature that live rent free in small minds.

Youre confusing libtard with Trump.

Nope. I've been spotting small minds for over half a century, so I am expert in spotting them. Definitely small minds and nothing to do with your TDS.

lol You got Trump and certain death covid living rent free in your head. Sucks to be you.

Certain death? When the death rate is...........what, 2%?

The reported positive cases to deaths from covid has consistently been larger, 1/2 percent to 2.0 percent.(trying to remember from months past)
The only way to get .01% (5 to 20 times less) is to rely on a huge percentage of unknown, not tested, asymptomatic, non sickness inducing cases that would never get reported.

But where, where did the number of reported cases, and reported deaths equal close to 0.01% one in a thousand cases.

A little math. The World-o meters, site says United States Covid deaths around 629,800 deaths plus.

and World wide Covid deaths 4.24 million deaths, 4,240,000.

Now, the total population of the USA is somewhere between 299 million and 350 million people 380million at most pending immigrations and exaggerations.

And the internet says the total population of the earth is 7.674 billion in 2019 to 7.9 billion people live on earth.

So, For Covid 19 to have these deaths, with only a 0.01% death rate would require unreported cases upwards of 6 billion cases in the USA . ( 100,000 requires a billion, and a million is just 1,000-thousand. )

And 42 billion cases world wide.

So based on reported covid deaths, (which we've got to believe even worst cases of mis-reporting at least 2/3rds aren't manufactured labeling but are actual covid deaths, but)---
If Covid had a .01% death rate, the 4.24 million reported deaths, on earth, (did china report all theirs)
would require
every person on earth to have approx. 6 individual separate mostly unreported cases of covid.
or over 42 billion cases. (42 thousand, million)

So the death rate is slightly higher than .01% and by slightly I mean extremely at least significantly higher.

It is amazing how many of you peeps roll over to be vaccinated by the government without doing some research on this poison.

I don't mean getting your research from Fox, CNN & MSNBC like most of you do.

This damn vaccine is experimental and is also killing and maiming thousands of people.

The vaccinated have now made a new mutant delta variant that preys on everyone!

The vaccine is a death sentence.

Now, your friendly government is intimidating everyone by mandating the vaccine for all and wants to lock you down for a second time while they jab you with a few more vaccines and destroy your jobs and lives along with the economy.

It's now the United Socialists of America!

Enjoy!

1.1 Billion globally vaccinated. You are incorrect with your assessment of the vaccine. 4.2 million deaths - probably undercounted.

As for the delta variant. It came from unvaccinated spread in India. So one more incorrect statement from you.

There really is no response that is appropriate for your nonsense.

Research?

Provide a single scientific study to back the garbage you spew.

In addition for you to even mention research is comical.

You are incapable of even reading about how these vaccines were developed.

Do you even know what it entails to get a doctorate epidemiology?

You have posted nothing that even resembles research.
Not a single thing.

Your "sources" are as credible as trump is honest.

I tend to agree on Alex Jones. That said, it doesn't really matter who or what is sourced. If it doesn't match the committee marching orders, it is discredited and the poster shunned.

" it doesn't really matter who or what is sourced."

What do you mean by that?

If information is accurate and verifiable then it is credible.

If it the total trash that super brown has posted. Then it needs to be called out.

The vaccine is not experimental. It was given EUA. There's a big difference.

It has not killed or maimed (permanent and/or serious injury) 1000's of people. IIRC, this total is still in the double-digits.

Delta variant came about because of spread through unvaccinated population. This has been proven.

Vaccine has been proven to have more benefit than it does risk. During EUA, more risks have emerged, but that designation (more benefit than risk) still hasn't changed. It is expected that every vaccine that was given EUA will be given full approval once clinical data is ready.
TLDR... not a death sentence.

Nobody has mandated anything.



Dude, there isn't a single thing that you alleged in your post that's actually true. Not a single thing.

Please seek help. I'm not saying that to be a jerk either.

There is literally not one thing in your post that was factual.

Everything was based in fear or anger.

That is not a good way to live.

at this point, unless you have a serious medical condition, i have no sympathy for those who won't get vaccinated and end up catching COVID.

we have so much supply, we're now exporting it to countries in in serious need of it.

and thats gotta be peak American culture right there. we got enough vaccines for everyone, but people choose to be morons. meanwhile other countries are in desperate need of vaccines and can't because of logistics and terrain.

we are so spoiled and full of ourselves that we've become very effective at killing each other off.....over nothing.

Tragic but true

In your Dawgtalkers memorial thread, I'll say nice things like:

"He was one of the most prolific trolls we ever had. "
"His meme-posting skills were absolutely sick."

What they won't hear me say:
" He was smart, classy, the best of us; a true role model."

The earth has a way of fixing itself, maybe this is just one of the ways it's dealing with over-population.

OR

"UFO sightings in North America jumped to nearly 6,000 in 2019"
This is the affect of aliens visiting and accidentally infecting us with alien germs.

Public service announcement when it comes to Super…

Awe... You're on one of your little tangents again. How cute. When are you going to figure out you're not very good at this and nothing you say is going to change anything?

Awe. Poor child. You just can't help yourself can you? They make meds for that. Maybe you need me to really school you again like I sometimes have to before you go and hide from this forum like so many times before. Then your mind goes crazy and you come back in a futile attempt to try and be clever before I run you off yet again. It's a pattern with you.

Like how you refuse to look at any links from those who disagree with you? Yeah, like that.

j/c...

j/c:

If anyone is interested:

The Pfizer mRNA vaccine: pharmacokinetics and toxicity

Michael Palmer, MD and Sucharit Bhakdi, MD
July 23rd, 2021

https://doctors4covidethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/mRNA-Pharmacokinetics-and-Toxicity.pdf

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Does anyone know what vaccine has the fewest reported side effects?

So I stopped at the end of the abstract because it references 'an unprecendented medical disaster' has happened. I'm at a loss to try to determine what this is referring to. We had the blood clot thing, but that didn't have anything to do with the mRNA vaccines (it was the JnJ which is a traditional vaccine), and only something like 5 total people were affected. There are potential allergic reactions to the mRNA vaccines, which is why you have to hang out after your shot for ~15 minutes. I believe the vaccines are already contraindicated if you have an allergy to any ingredient in the vaccine. These adverse events are treatable, and the rate is 5 per million vaccinated (165m vaccinated = estimated 825 people have had anaphylaxis, which I don't believe is considered serious AE as it is treatable and does not leave permanent injury).

They may wish to read this as well.

The case of the German doctor: Sucharit Bhakdi

Other scandalous advice comes from the German professor of microbiology Sucharit Bhakdi, who claims that the new coronavirus is not a threat. The two most viewed videos on his YouTube channel have recorded a total of 3.1 million views, while his advice reached 927,300 Facebook users in the former Yugoslavia on Facebook pages of regional portals quoting this professor (for instance, Croativ.net, Novi horizonti.ba, Logično.com, Index.ba, Teleskop.hr).

One of Bhakdi`s claims is that the coronavirus does not pose a huge danger, and that the measures introduced in Germany are meaningless and self-destructive. However, data from the World Health Organization shows that we cannot treat COVID-19 exactly the same way we treat flu.

Also, the professor attributes the high number of virus victims in Italy to external environmental factors, such as the high air pollution in northern Italy and China, whileOECD statistics on the impact of air pollution on health question this assertion.

https://digicomnet.org/doctors-disinformation

And this...

Sucharit Bhakdi is a retired Thai-German microbiologist, known in retirement for spreading conspiracy theories and antisemitic polemic.[1] In 2020 and 2021 Bhakdi became a prominent source of misinformation about the COVID-19 pandemic, claiming that the pandemic was "fake" and that COVID-19 vaccines were going to decimate the world's population.

He was a professor at the University of Mainz, where from 1991 to 2012 he was head of the Institute of Medical Microbiology and Hygiene.[4] The university subsequently disassociated itself from Bhakdi's views on the Coronavirus pandemic.[5] In 2021 Bhakdi's publisher broke off relations following the appearance of an online video in which Bhakdi made antisemtic comments

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucharit_Bhakdi

Thanks for the replies, but still: does anyone know what vaccine has the fewest reported side effects? If and when I get the jab that's info I'd really wanna know.

j/c

Tyson Foods requiring that all of its 139,000 workers get vaccinated against COVID-19

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tyson-foods...f8_UV1nwuziS9xM

Over 600 U.S. universities plan to impose a COVID-19 vaccine mandate

https://ktla.com/news/coronavirus/over-6...accine-mandate/

Nationwide Children's Hospital requiring employees, providers to be vaccinated against COVID-19

The deadline to be fully vaccinated is Oct. 1. Nationwide Children's said 75% of their employees are fully vaccinated.

https://www.10tv.com/article/news/health...24-6d3937f7dd84

Do you mean a few aches and pains, fatigue for a day or so? Do you mean among those who are already immune deficient? Or are you speaking of any serious, long term side effects among otherwise healthy people?

I can only relate my experience with Moderna.

First shot nothing but a sore arm for two days.

The second shot. One day of feeling worn out and sore.

Third day full recovery. No real issues that were not expected.

Same here. My guess is that I know over 100 people (work, family, DT, + friends) and those side effects are pretty par for the course.

I had Pfizer. First day was just a sore arm that lasted a day or two. The second time around, the injection was very painful (for like 2 seconds), and I just felt like I wanted to sleep all day afterward. No actual sickness symptoms. Completely fine the next morning. Been normal ever since.

Normal for me at least.

j/c...

Well, we see NYC requiring proof of vaccination as well as large corporations and universities. None of them state anything about people that have already been infected with COVID.

An EU vaccine "passport" has been recently introduced.

The EU Digital Covid Certificate can be used to avoid self-isolating on arrival in the UK. It recognizes vaccinated and previously infected as one in the same. As it should, since rates of reinfection worldwide are under 2%.

I wonder if common sense will prevail in the US as well.

The links that Pit provided show that private enterprise is taking steps.

Have a vaccine pass or don't work. Take the decision away.

Let economics dictate.

Make it difficult to participate in life actions like work,
restaurants, any large gatherings, enclosed space.

Protect the general public.

I don't know if you responding to me.

I'm speaking specifically about recognizing those that have had Covid as the same as those that have been vaccinated. Reinfection has been way more rare than vaccinated individuals getting infected.

You've never schooled me on anything. Period.

Your second to last sentence? the last part "...before I run you (me) off again." Hilarious, but it does point to your agenda.

The only 'schooling' between you and I was back when W was president and you blamed gas prices on him and his big oil buddies. I schooled YOU.

I often times choose to not argue with with someone that has only 'argue' on their mind - or think so highly of themselves they feel they control the board and can 'run off' someone they disagree with.

Have not seen any numbers on those who have had covid and their reinfection rate.

Funny you should ask, I asked my Doc that very question last week.

Pfizer has the least side effects reported followed by Moderna and then JJ

Personally, My wife and I and Mother in Law and sister and Brother in law all had Pfizer.. No side effects at all for any of us.

The one pain we all experienced was right where the shots were given... That was the next day and was gone quickly

The least amount of long-term side effects among otherwise healthy people.

Don't take the NON FDA APPROVED Vaccine 3rd!!!!

WHICH IS ALL OF THE VACCINES...

Everyone that takes it is a Guinea pig/Lab rat.

So once they become fully FDA approved you will take it?

They have been approved for early use. It was beyond the experimental phase.

Let go of your fear. It’s okay to be wrong.

Good question.

So where did you get your medical degree??? University of Facebook? or University of Twitter?

I could go elsewhere, but I will refrain.

Well get ready because the FDA is looking over the Pfizer application right now and approval is expected early next month.

Lousy non-answer.


Not surprised in the least.

Oh yea?...Pfizer gives you blood clots.

Thanks for the heads up!

For all three vaccines the number of long-term side effects are so small that they are almost difficult to calculate (1 in a million or so)...

If I were to choose a vaccine now, it would be Moderna (the efficiency seems very slightly higher than Pfizer, though it's not a significant difference).

But, if you are worried about side effects, I would get Pfizer. This isn't because I think there are any more side effects for Moderna -- it's just because Pfizer has been given to more people worldwide, and so it would have been easier to detect even the rarest of side effects.

At this point, if I were offered a choice of vaccines, I wouldn't take J&J. This again has nothing to do with side-effects -- it is just somewhat less effective. If Pfizer and Moderna were not available, I would take J&J in a second.

For what it's worth, I had two doses of Pfizer. Sore arm for two days after both, a little headache the first night after dose 2 (cured by Tylenol).

Better to be a lab rat than a dead duck.

Hope you don't catch it Donald.

Even if it gave you a brain aneurism, at lest something would be moving through that brain other than hot air.

Boy these right wingers are giving Facebook housewife vibes right now.

Next, super brown and the rest gonna start talking about chakra crystals and all that.

THE MOON LANDING IS A GD HOAX!!! OPEN YOUR EYES!!!

Where is that coming from? You told me it would give me Bells Palsy, too. I had Pfizer and neither one of those.

I thought the blood-clotting thing was JnJ.

Regardless, there is a long list of things that can cause blood clots. Stress and fear (like thinking your govt is out to inject you with alien-reptile-DNA-doing-an-unholy-sex-act-with-nanobots vaccine), and a diet of too much 'bad' fats and sugar carry a higher risk of causing clots in an otherwise healthy person... but you don't see the Alex Jones crowd growling about that (too busy talking about fluoride).


Here's the thing... I do believe there is room, at our current point in time, for some hesitancy regarding vaccines. They aren't fully approved, and they were rushed through development. They did have to prove some amount of safety and effectiveness to receive EUA, but just because it's been established to be safe and effective for the vast majority of the population doesn't automatically guarantee that it's right for every body out there. Everyone's health is different and their own. So if you're not sure about getting the vaccine (you have some sort of health condition that you worry could react badly to the vaccine), then talk to your doc and get their input. There are medical experts out there that are or can become familiar with your medical history and can advise you. For the vast majority of people, getting the vaccine is the right move but there's nothing wrong with double-confirming that regarding your own health situation.

Getting back to the first part of my post, there's a big difference between people that are honestly skeptical/hesitant about the vaccine, and people that (for whatever reason) are dead-set against it and/or have bought into some pretty ridiculous misinformation. If you're an otherwise healthy individual, there's probably no reason for you to be so opposed to protecting yourself and those around you from this virus. If you're worried about the vaccine having some crazy rare side effect, then you should talk to your doctor, but you're also probably being somewhat hypocritical as the average American diet/lifestyle carries way more risk to health than the vaccine.

That was very empathetic and well said. Good reminder to me that I need to dial back from my own combative proclivities.

Yes, the blood clotting risk is the J & J.

My cousin's aunt got that vaccination and two or three days later died from a blood clot (or clots). It can happen.

Some people refuse to learn. Some people refuse to try and find out what's going on in the world around them.

Let me give you a prime example as of late. You made a ridiculous statement that "vaccines do not protect you from getting Covid". I had to post sources from the CDC itself to show that there is a pretty high effective rate in preventing people from contracting the virus. No, it's not foolproof. But it does give you a fairly high level of preventing you from ever getting Covid. So much so they call those who do get Covid after being vaccinated breakthrough cases. It's not as effective on the Delta variant but still offers a certain level of protection.

But yeah, like I said, you can't school anyone who refuses to learn.

Woah. I'm really sorry to hear that.

Thanks. (I didn't know her though.)

A few month's back my uncle got his first vaccination, caught Covid, then passed away a few days later. He wasn't in good health, in a nursing home.

My brother-in-law's mom just caught Covid and passed away earlier this week. She wasn't vaccinated and had had a stroke a few months earlier.

All of the above people were over 70 years of age. I'm 55 now. For me and my family, that whole generation is passing away. Sad but death is part of life, at least for here on earth.

I'm not sure this will answer all of your questions but it does show how anti virus vaccines work, their history of side effects, why long term side effects are so rare and does point to the statistics of any long term side effects they've seen. Hopefully it will at least answer some of your questions.

Three things to know about the long-term side effects of COVID vaccines

https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/121...-covid-vaccines

I felt like I needed to balance out some earlier posts. I have no problem having an honest discussion with anyone that has sincere skepticism about the vaccines. As I mentioned, I feel there's still room for healthy debate there, so long as it's sincere and reasonable. The Facebook nanobots/Bells Palsy nonsense obviously doesn't fall into that category.

You can try and reason with those willing to be reasonable.

If you dig deep there are no real issues.

You are a victim of your own ignorance.

Thanks for posting, I'll read it as soon as I have an extra few minutes.

Sad part is for people who suffer this NOTHING can change their minds.

he's a grad of Trump U.....

Are you sure he actually graduated?

Sorry to hear that 3rd. My condolences.

I stand corrected.

On every single post you ever made about Covid.

Sorry to hear that.

What was her condition before the vaccine?

Did she have issues before? Did she consult her doctor before the vaccine about any pre existing conditions?

What was her age?

sorry to hear that, 3rd. keep your head up bro.

Sorry to hear about your fam, 3rd.

No one should have to suffer so much loss.

Sorry but I don't have any additional info except what I posted, I didn't know her.

I watched one of your stupid videos.

watch this one of this man documenting his experience with covid.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/0...-newday-vpx.cnn

then continue your garbage about the vaccine

"Texas Republican official H. Scott Apley, a raging critic of masks and the vaccine, died in the hospital from coronavirus."

some lessons learned the hard way

not him. no more lessons.

A disbelief of science, and an arrogance of Americans has lead us here.

Republican leaders are looking to take power among their constituents, by fanning the flames of ignorance. It ends up in a cycle of death.

Cause of death: stupidity.

he showed them libs

A Florida radio host who railed against Dr. Fauci and vaccines has died from COVID-19
Yelena Dzhanova
Sat, August 7, 2021, 9:49 AM

Longtime radio host Dick Farrel died from COVID-19 after railing against vaccines on Facebook.

"Why take a vax promoted by people who lied 2u all along about masks," one of his posts read.

After contracting the virus, friends said Farrel texted them and urged them to get the vaccine.

See more stories on Insider's business page.

A radio host from Florida who publicly bashed coronavirus vaccines has died from COVID-19.

Dick Farrel frequently advocated against the vaccine on his personal Facebook page.

"Why take a vax promoted by people who lied 2u all along about masks, where the virus came from and the death toll?" Farrel wrote on Facebook on July 3, with no additional context or clarification.



"Vaccine Bogus Bull Shid!, Two peeps I know, got vaxed, now have Corona, hospitalized critical," he wrote on July 1. "Thank you Moderna, FOR NOTHING!"

His friend, Mike McCabe, said on Facebook that Farrel, 65, had been battling COVID-19 for three weeks before his death this week.

Farrel also railed against Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's leading coronavirus expert, calling him a "power tripping lying freak."

The longtime radio host was an ardent support of former President Donald Trump, Facebook posts show.

After contracting the virus, friends said Farrel texted them and urged them to get the vaccine, according to WPTV, an NBC News affiliate.

"He is the reason I took the shot," said Amy Leigh Hair, Farrel's close friend. "He texted me and told me to 'Get it!' He told me this virus is no joke and he said, "I wish I had gotten it!"

After his death, friends and former colleagues began to pour in tributes.

Lee Strasser, former market general manager for CBS Radio West Palm Beach, said Farrel was "flamboyant, outrageous at times, and willing to take on any and all comers," WPTV reported.

"Was he right all the time? No," Strasser added. "But he was "RIGHT" all the time, especially if you asked him. Did he stay out of trouble? Not always. Was he great with clients? Yes. Was he a pleasure in the building? Absolutely. Was he loyal? Unquestionably! Was he skilled? Yessir! His passing is a big loss. He was a kind-hearted person with a load of passion, and his memory will stand the test of time. We have all lost a friend in Farrel."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-radio-host-railed-against-134950826.html

These fools that keep saying "they lied about Masks are IDIOTS.. They have no understanding how science works..

Science is NOT truth but it is the Search for Truth.

When science changes it's mind, they aren't lying to you.. Only a damn fool would think that.

The reason Science changes conclusions is because they learned more.

It's really that simple.

A sign in an Amish gift shop in Intercourse, PA reads:
"Ve grow too soon oldt, und too late schmardt"...



the Amish know stuff.

j/c:

I emailed a friend who is a supervising nurse at one of the hospitals here in the Greater Cleveland, Ohio area. I asked him the rate between the vaccinated and unvaccinated patients. He said (copied and pasted), "Do not know the rate... but the unvaccinated patients are much more sick."

...Food for thought...

I found this to be informative:

Dr. Ryan Cole — What the Vaccine spike protein does to the body…

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/dr-ryan-cole-what-the-vaccine-spike-protein-does-to-the-body/

I saw a LOT of the hub-bub about the protein spike months ago by many anti-vaxers and Covid deniers. There is a lot out there to refute the claimed issues and harm.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factchec...c-idUSL2N2NX1J6

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/20...ein-toxic-or-c/

https://www.berkshireeagle.com/ap/factch...3514a6dad8.html

Lots of different angles covered ... Sure, the mainstream medical experts in the world could all be in cahoots to subjugate us all and working with MSM to perpetuate the hoax that is Covid ... or maybe it's just the fringes where the crazies meet that are wrong?

https://www.factcheck.org/person/ryan-cole/

Sounds impressive until you dig into the background of Dr. Cole.


https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/sciche...id-19-vaccines/

I have no idea why he works so hard at finding and posting every idiotic anti vaxer/anti masker he can when nearly all of their BS has been debunked.

I blame those unvaccinated people out there for the spike in Covid.

That is almost laughable…. If we did not have the disease to consider.

What is worse? The vaccine or COVID-19????

Literally any vaccine that is taken could be called a toxin, and is intended to produce a immune response.

That is the logic behind all vaccines.

They used to inoculate people with the fluid from a smallpox sore. You would get sick, but not as sick as if you got smallpox. Then they figure out that cowpox would also have the same effect.

Roughly 2 percent of people die with COVID-19. You have a far better chance of not getting COVID-19, because you may not get COVID-19 in the first place. (95 percent reduction). And if you do get it the chance of death is far less, I recall seeing 0.01 percent.

There are no certainty in anything ever when populations are considered. But the chances favor vaccination.

166.2 million Americans have gotten the vaccine. Very few serious side effects. Over 610,000 Americans have died from covid. Yet people act like it's some tough decision. Over 90% of those hospitalized and those dying are the unvaccinated and people are still listening to the quacks and saying, "Yeah, but I don't know".

The only time that I think it logical to question "should I get the vaccine?"

Is when you have gotten covid and were asymtomatic. You got covid and your body fought it off. Your immune system has memory. It created antibodies and an immune response against the virus.

This is all I have seen:

"Unvaccinated people who have had Covid-19 may be more than twice as likely to get infected again than those who tested positive and bolstered their natural immunity with a vaccine, according to a small study that assessed the likelihood of reinfection.

The study, published on Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, examined the risk of reinfection during May and June among hundreds of Kentucky residents who tested positive for the virus in 2020."

That is not complete data. So, I could understand someone being reluctant to get the vaccine if they got it and not much happened.

That does mean that they should not get the vaccine.

However, I could understand questioning in that circumstance.

Nah, you can't blame all the unvaccinated kids. Just blame the dumbass adults.

*edit correction:

"That does *not mean that they should not get the vaccine.

Coming home form the grocery store yesterday, there was a guy alone on the corner, with a cardboard sign the size of a piece of plywood, I only caught a glimpse as I drove by, but what I did catch said...

"COVID 19 Vaccine Is A Government Planned Genocide Of...."

I should have turned around and gotten a full look, but needed to get home.

...Viruses."

I put a plot twist in there for you.

Now in Florida this goon DeSantpis is trying hard to make children victims of his stupidity and his ambitions.

He is a prime example of a politician who is political prostitute.

He will do anything to secure and further his own political ambitions.

His example is one the reasons politics infuriates me.

If you think about it, if he is doing things to further his political career, that means there are a lot of people who agree with him. So does that make him a goon? I don't think so. It just makes him a person who's politics are different from your thinking.

I don't think of people who want masking as goons.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus...nt-salary-masks

Who wants masking?

The guy is a goon.

"If you think about it, if he is doing things to further his political career, that means there are a lot of people who agree with him. So does that make him a goon? I don't think so. It just makes him a person who's politics are different from your thinking."
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That does not necessarily equate.

You don't know what he thinks. Because what "he thinks" is irrelevant.

He is running for office at all times.

Does he consult with medical professionals? People who actually know what they are talking about when it comes to public health. No.

He does not. He makes statements for political purpose.

ie. political prostitute.

So what if others agree? Others may believe the earth is 4,000 years old.

If you are up to date on the number of children who have tested positive and how covid can affect them and how effective masks are. Then trying to mandate that schools should not have a mask policy would mean something.

Back to personal decision. Well if there is no required testing of school employees and it is not mandated that school employees be vacinnated. And schools are not allowed to mandate masks. How are children protected. Who is violating their freedoms? What choice do they have to prevent their own invection?

Lots of children have compromised immune systems. Asthma and heart murmurs are pretty common. My son had asthma. My grandson has a heart murmur.

So, how fair is it that half the class does wear a mask?

There is only "One Single" priority. Do all that is possible to protect children in schools.

That also goes for gun control measures.

One last thing to allow politicians to dictate public health is criminal.

If "public health" is part of government then it has to be under independent jurisdiction that is not influenced by partisan politics.

That should really be true for most areas of government... Healthcare, education, transportation...

Put professionals in those departments and let them make decisions and recommendations. Only get the politicians involved when it comes to the financing (even though that though hurts my head as well ).

j/c:

Americans with PhDs are the most reluctant to get vaccinated against COVID, study finds

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...s.html#comments

You have gone as far as posting Russia Today links in your quest to find a reason not to get the vaccine. Almost every post of your’s is finding obscure negatives about the vaccinations.

It’s up to you if you are too afraid to get vaccinated, but I really wish you would stop posting the mindless BS, in case others actually might believe this nonsense.

He has the right to post anything he wants as long as it is within the rules of this board.

You and your cronies bury the truth while you get your marching orders from CNN.

Jules about to tear you a new one. Let me just grab this popcorn...brb

I'm no fan of CNN, but if I'd rather take marching orders from them vs the likes of Alex Jones or other nonsense that you try to peddle on here.

Why am I not surprised you would stand up for the right to post Russia Today links to get your facts from? I salute you comrade.

He looks for the obscure to try and make a point that doesn't exist.

People with college degrees are more likely to have a COVID-19 vaccination — here’s why

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/you-do...ots-11616694907

Education Level Now Prime Driver of COVID Vaccine Hesitancy: Poll

https://consumer.healthday.com/b-2-26-ed...2650795164.html

You can't handle the truth.

Would not know the truth if was tattooed to your forehead.

You turn over rocks trying to validate scum like Alex Jones.

Post what you like. You already proved who you are.

I long for the good old days, when people like you stood on the street corner naked under a sandwich sign, shouting at the passing cars. It was easier to speed up, keep the doors locked and avoid eye contact. Nowadays, thanks to the internet, you show up in our houses, uninvited.

jc

Damn y'all are roasting SB! He's not a bad guy y'all... as matter of fact I'm not sure if he's even a guy... But the person known as SB sure likes to troll you guys. Some of his posts remind me of 40.

Anything he gets he earned with the crap he has posted.

What he fails to mention is that CNN is actually posting facts from the CDC, NIH and FDA. He fails to mention the host of guests they interview that actually work in ICU units across our nation giving you first hand accounts of what's actually going on.

He, like many hope that just saying "Yeah but CNN" will cause others to ignore those facts.

Look, I'm not trying to claim that their prime time line up isn't skewed to the left in their commentary. They certainly are.

But that will never change the fact that they use facts and experts to give us a real picture of what's going on with Covid in our nation.

We're back to seeing ICU's having to build overflow units. Hospitals refusing patients because they are full. It's happening right up the road from me at Vanderbilt which is the premiere hospital in Nashville.

Just screaming "CNN!" won't change any of that.

Bots all sound the same.

Who is making money off of every American becoming a Lab Animal in a cage awaiting the experimental results of pumping bad medicine on top of bad medicine.

Nobody since that isn't happening.

You really think that?

This?
No, I don't believe a word of it. That's why I said it isn't happening.

Yeah, I know. It would appear I'm having trouble with replying to the correct person. Oh, wait, I'm not. It would appear you are struggling with following the conversation, yet again.

SOMEONE/COMPANY is making huge dollars on the vaccine. Period. End of discussion.

It appears you wish to take a fragment of the sentence and not read his quote in context. But I'm not surprised by that. Try again Weedhopper.

This shows that some prescribe to the religious zealousy of secular humanism science with the same ferver of people in cults, who don't believe anyone else on earth should have the right, to not be a part of their cult.
As long as the cult is science, which changes with the wind and over short periods of time, then nobody should put full faith in it.
This post, demands 3 times near the top^ that 3 parts of society be mandated, and a couple more toward the bottom.
So that, 100% of all people must fall in lock step with the edicts from on (microphone) after all, if someone worships education, they may not even know they are a worshiper. (but, with media and establishment on their side, they are emboldened.)

Much like the Pharisees in Jesus s time. Now, to demand full compliance in this post I quoted, and then in the very next one to contradict himself so fully with the statements similar to,
government mandates ought to be outlawed. (He probably doesn't realize, he has just advocated, That everyone must be forced to have his religion shoved down their throats, because it's the science religion.) And anyone, anyone, who does not comply,
it ought to be criminal for them not to comply, as in his post that follows the one I quoted here, follows it immediately.
Now, historically, this kind of mandate dictation appears several times in the Bible,
with the King of Egypt, with Nebuchadnezzar, Shadrach, Meshack, and Abednego, so, simply.
For Zeal filled worshipers of anything other than the True God, to demand with fervent heat, that everyone follow their false edicts, is nothing new.
It is noteworthy though, and a sign of troublesome times.

This is what I meant, this is the post. In this one, I think what you mean here is,
To allow anyone to not comply with what has been mandated, should be criminal.
I ll say, even if that mandate comes from the religion of science of the short term, which changes with the wind.
And since nobody knows the future effects, society could end up in a place where it's like "oops, my bad, we all have (insert variables) now."

The troublesome part of your post is the health/medicine is highly dependent on the 'science' that you seem to abhor. It's the science that allows us to figure out what is/isn't going on inside our bodies and how we can manage different parts of our health. By rejecting science as the main driver of decisions, you've basically decided to go back to the days of people dying from the common cold. Don't want to die from the cold? How about some bloodletting? Good luck with that.

But his book written by bronze aged sheep herders tells him not to trust science… I guess?