Figured it would be nice to start the latest thread with some very useful information. Crash course on vaccines and the immune system.
Thanks to Lyuokdea... great post.
Originally Posted By: Lyuokdea
Originally Posted By: oobernoober
With everyone throwing booster shots all over the place, is there any worry that these will lose their effectiveness if overused?
Not with mRNA vaccines -- though this can be a concern with adenovirus-based vaccinations (like J&J and AstraZeneca).
In those cases - the vaccine is made by taking an adenovirus (which is a family of viruses that can infect cells - but rarely cause serious illness). But then they modify that virus so that instead of producing more viruses once it infects a cell (like a normal virus) - it instead produces the spike protein for Covid. The cell then releases those spike proteins, which get detected by the immune system -- and the immune system attacks them and then produces long-lived antibodies to detect the Covid spike protein and destroy it in the future.
You can run the risk -- if you have lots of adenovirus based vaccines -- that your body will start mounting an effective defense to the original adenovirus before it has a chance to enter your cells -- meaning that your body kills the adenovirus **before** it can can produce the spike proteins that the vaccine was designed to produce. This usually isn't a huge concern (the injection has tons of adenovirus in it -- and some of it should escape your immune system and make it into cells) - but it's potentially a concern.
The mRNA vaccines don't use any virus. They inject mRNA -- which is a cellular instruction code -- which tells your cells how to make spike proteins. Your cells then make spike-proteins (like in the adenovirus case) and release them - and your immune system then attacks those spike proteins, giving you an antibody response.
The difference here - is that mRNA is not often found outside cells because it breaks down super quickly -- and is not something your immune system attacks. So your immune response won't break down the mRNA before it gets into cells and tells them to make spike proteins.
Quote:
I don't even know if that's actually a thing, but can you body become too use to these vaccinations and not put up the appropriate immune response?
This part won't really happen - if your immune system is functioning -- and it sees an unusual protein -- it will attack it, and then build antibodies capable of detecting it and killing it in the future. There is probably a bit of the opposite effect -- for 3rd/4th/5th vaccinations -- you will probably be *super-protected** for the first week or two after the vaccination - because your immune system will respond to the latest vaccine by producing more "covid-killing antibodies" and they will be floating through your body for the next week or two in large numbers.
Quote:
Does it work like antibiotics where overuse leads to the virus finding a way around the treatment?
Potentially - and this is the major concern that affects how vaccines are made. The size of the Covid-19 virus is 30 kb (30,000 base pairs long long -- there are ~4 base pairs, and sets of 3 of them code for the ~20 nucleic acids that make up viruses (and cells). This specific sequence of 30,000 of them is the code that tells Covid how to enter human cells and then how to replicate to make more of itself, and escape from the cell).
This may seem crazy (it's like a 30 kilobit computer virus, essentially -- very small and very good at replicating itself). However, it's actually mostly junk -- most of the 30,000 nucleic acids don't do anything, they are just along for the ride.
The spike protein is the part that unlocks cells that it comes into contact with (specifically, it bonds to ACE-2 receptors that lie on the surface of human (and many animal) cells - and tells them to open the cell.) The spike protein is only 3000 base pairs long (so roughly 1/10 of the virus).
So why do Pfizer, Moderna (and also J&J and AstraZeneca) chose to build a vaccine for that specific part of the virus? In theory, you could build a vaccine that includes the protein structure of **any** part of the 30,000 bases in Covid - and that would cause your immune system to recognize that part and attack it.
However, because most of those sections of the virus don't *do* anything -- random mutations can significantly change those parts of the virus without affecting its ability to enter human cells and infect them. If you built a vaccine that attacked a random non-functional part of the virus, some virus particles would mutate in that region, the mutated viruses would avoid the vaccine - and then they would continue to spread.
Viruses actually mutate constantly - any person who has Covid probably has thousands of different random mutations in their body at any one time. The good news is that most mutations don't do anything -- because those parts of the virus are inactive.
However, certain regions - like the spike protein -- have to be exactly right. They have to connect on an atomic level to the ACE-2 receptor, and tell it to open up the cell. These are called "highly conserved regions" of a virus -- because any mutation in those regions will break the virus and make it unable to propagate. That is why the vaccine targets that region -- because if the virus tries to mutate in that region -- it probably won't be able to infect cells anymore.
The few mutations we've seen (Alpha, Beta, Delta, etc.) are the rare exceptions to that rule. 99.99999% of the mutations in the spike protein make the virus **worse** at infecting human cells. But a few of them potentially make the virus **better** at infecting cells.
For example, the Delta variant is defined as:
"The Delta variant has mutations in the gene encoding the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein[6] causing the substitutions D614G, T478K, P681R and L452R."
which means that (starting from some zero position) the 614th base pair is switched from "D" (the nucleic acid Aspartic Acid) to "G" (Glynine), the base pair at position 478 has switched from (T) threonine to (K) lysine, then there are switches of specific acids at positions 681 and 452 as well. This happens to be a good solution - it makes the virus better at infecting human cells.
There are a couple other "conserved regions" that you could build a vaccine to target. There's a specific region that helps code the outer membrane of the virus that prevents it from breaking down immediately when it exits an infected persons body, for example. In theory you could get a booster shot that targets a different virus region - to have a more resilient protection against variations in the spike protein.
One interesting sidenote - is that when you get an actual Covid infection -- you do get antibodies to every random part of the virus that exists (your immune system doesn't actually know **where** the spike protein of the virus is -- it just produces antibodies to every part of the virus it finds). This would allow a test to determine whether you actually got Covid, or had antibodies due to vaccinations (most tests just look at the spike protein though -- so they don't differentiate the two).
This also affects how your immune system will work for subsequent exposures. People who had covid will have an immune response that targets every part of the virus. People who had the vaccine will have an immune response that only targets the spike protein. However, the vaccine tends to produce a much much **stronger** response to the spike protein than previously infected people. The antibody response to spike proteins is around 10x larger for vaccinated people, than for people who previously got sick. This is probably why vaccines seem to offer better protection than previous illness.
====================
I vastly oversimplified the workings of the immune system above -- because I don't think it is that important to the main point. But there are lots of different details (antibodies, t-cells, b-cells, etc.) that all play different roles in how the immune system targets Covid.
The key is that the vaccine produces a very strong immune response specific to the spike protein, while infection produces a moderately strong response to many different parts of the virus.
for the people who are saying those who have vaccines do not end up in the ICU... We just got 2 phone calls between today and yesterday. We now have 2 people we know who are in the ICU on ventilators who had the vaccine. It sounds like neither will make it. 1 had the Moderna shots the other was Pfizer.
Bonus: my grandma was vaccinated and she just passed away.
Extra bonus: We have someone very close to us who was murdered last year. They were marked as a covid death which was 100% not the case. They died from the bullets going thru their head leg and chest.
So, I have my reasons why I don't trust anything the media or politicians are pumping out.
So, Fauci is married to Christine Grady? The head of the NIH? Is that correct? Seems to me, IF that is correct, there ought to be a little investigation going on. Fauci was touting the vaccine, which is a good thing, but he's a stock holder..........conflict of interest anyone?
Anyway, check out Christine Grady, her husband, and what she's in charge of. Make your own opinions.
So, Fauci is married to Christine Grady? The head of the NIH? Is that correct? Seems to me, IF that is correct, there ought to be a little investigation going on. Fauci was touting the vaccine, which is a good thing, but he's a stock holder..........conflict of interest anyone?
Sorry for the losses around you. That said, the overall numbers don’t lie. This is from the Oregon Health Science University hospital.
Similar graph posted by the largest hospital system in Charlotte and the surrounding area. I don't know how to post the actual image but the link is below. In summary:
What those numbers don't tell you is how many of the unvaccinated were unvaccinated because they already had compromised immune systems.
I'm not saying to avoid the vaccine or anything, but, like football stats, raw numbers don't tell the whole story.
Yes, there are horror stories of "completely healthy" people dying from COVID, but in our modern society "completely healthy" individuals might number about the same as lottery winners.
I suppose awful public health outside of the virus isn't the direction this thread was intended to go, but it seems all too often to be overlooked in the COVID conversation.
Diet is the basis of health, and our food systems rather suck. Our living/working environments also nearly universally leave something to be desired.
Get the vaccine, sure. That shouldn't be the sole message/end of the conversation, though.
"your immune system will respond to the latest vaccine by producing more "covid-killing antibodies" and they will be floating through your body for the next week or two in large numbers."
"your immune system will respond to the latest vaccine by producing more "covid-killing antibodies" and they will be floating through your body for the next week or two in large numbers."
So, Fauci is married to Christine Grady? The head of the NIH? Is that correct? Seems to me, IF that is correct, there ought to be a little investigation going on. Fauci was touting the vaccine, which is a good thing, but he's a stock holder..........conflict of interest anyone?
Anyway, check out Christine Grady, her husband, and what she's in charge of. Make your own opinions.
Do you have a specific charge or claim to make, or are you just throwing stuff out there like the Q folks?
Then that medical examiner should lose their license.
For what? My understanding is they had the antibodies and were marked as with covid.
The office may have gone back and changed it to a non-factor. I was not informed that they changed it and my understanding is that I am supposed to be informed if there is a change.
Apologies as I didn't mean to offend and I had you confused with SuperBrown for some reason, and that poster has littered the forums with lies.
As pointed out - the incorrect designation of death has happened all across the USA in fatalities from murder to car crashes. It appears to happen in very very low numbers but more often than anyone would expect - and it seems to be something that gets caught and updated.
There has been (still is) a campaign by some to suggest deaths from covid are grossly inflated, and false claims than any and all deaths are instantly attributed to Covid. That was probably another reason why I was too blunt in my response ... in reality if anyone cares to review statistics and excess mortality rates (globally or individual countries) - it points firmly to deaths from coivd being undercounted.
So, Fauci is married to Christine Grady? The head of the NIH? Is that correct? Seems to me, IF that is correct, there ought to be a little investigation going on. Fauci was touting the vaccine, which is a good thing, but he's a stock holder..........conflict of interest anyone?
Anyway, check out Christine Grady, her husband, and what she's in charge of. Make your own opinions.
Do you have a specific charge or claim to make, or are you just throwing stuff out there like the Q folks?
Since first the NIH is the National Institute of Health, they did not nor do they manufacture any Covid vaccine and they do not sell stock because they don't have stock. That should help answer your question.
I have no idea where such a hair brained idea came from.
Edit to add. Maybe I do have an idea.....
Fact Check-Anthony Fauci is not ‘part of Pfizer’ as posts claim
I have a buddy that’s a professional musician. He’s out on tour right now doing the festival scene. He texted me last night to chat. He’s really struggling with his ethics. He needs to make money to feed his family but he’s completely struggling with being on stage right now. Looking out over vast seas of maskless kids. He says it’s hard to keep the energy on stage as he wrestles with what he’s experiencing. He sent me a video he took from side stage looking out over the crowd at SummerCamp. A festival he played in Chillicothe, IL. It’s crazy. People packed together. Not a mask in sight. Meanwhile, backstage, masks are required. As a healthcare worker it’s so damn disheartening to see. I don’t blame my buddy for playing the gig. He has to put food on his table…. But damn.
Well we had one poster on here that said, "I have to live my life!"
I don't think anyone is asking people not to "live life". They are simply asking that you do so in the most responsible manner possible so as not to take even greater risk of your own health but the health of those around you.
Some people just have a harder time understanding what other people are saying and end up making emotional responses that don't actually apply.
In the case of those who play in front of large, unprotected crowds, I can see how they would have an issue feeling as though they are contributing to the problem. I also understand they have to make a living. It's a conundrum I'm certainly glad I'm not faced with weighing.
Apologies as I didn't mean to offend and I had you confused with SuperBrown for some reason, and that poster has littered the forums with lies.
As pointed out - the incorrect designation of death has happened all across the USA in fatalities from murder to car crashes. It appears to happen in very very low numbers but more often than anyone would expect - and it seems to be something that gets caught and updated.
There has been (still is) a campaign by some to suggest deaths from covid are grossly inflated, and false claims than any and all deaths are instantly attributed to Covid. That was probably another reason why I was too blunt in my response ... in reality if anyone cares to review statistics and excess mortality rates (globally or individual countries) - it points firmly to deaths from coivd being undercounted.
thanks - totally cool! I think if you read my posts I'm more of a data person than I am a political person. I'm basically a Dempubdant American. lol
I also think a lot of people are trying to do the right thing and I think there is a lot of unknowns and we are being left out of the loop.
I think the politicians are not telling a complete story. It seems like they are playing chess on 7 boards and we are only seeing 1.
"your immune system will respond to the latest vaccine by producing more "covid-killing antibodies" and they will be floating through your body for the next week or two in large numbers."
Along with the tracking nano-bots?
"your immune system will respond to the latest vaccine by producing NO covid-killing antibodies" The vaccine will weaken your already compromised immune system from the first 2 shots until you ultimately die.
"your immune system will respond to the latest vaccine by producing more "covid-killing antibodies" and they will be floating through your body for the next week or two in large numbers."
Along with the tracking nano-bots?
"your immune system will respond to the latest vaccine by producing NO covid-killing antibodies" The vaccine will weaken your already compromised immune system from the first 2 shots until you ultimately die.
And besides we already know the vaccines change our DNA. It’s very similar to the drug they gave Wade Wilson that turned him into Deadpool. Yes, it will kill many… but for many of us it’ll unlock our hidden super powers. I’m now able to fly, though I have to flap my arms like a bird to do it… so I look kind of ridiculous…but I can shoot cool blue lasers out of my eyes. So that kind of makes up for it. Anyone else have their super powers unlocked yet?
That's crazy... It amazes me how many refuse the vaccine.... what's also sad/scary is how much this variant is affecting kids who obviously can not get the vaccine.... I have two young kids and just pray when they get it they get a mild case.... because I Know they will get it at some point
Our hospital (kids hospital) is completely full of patients... last year we might have 1 maybe 2 patients with Covid... this time we have over a dozen and several coming into the EC every day... may not seem like a lot but this wave feels 100x worse than last time... was talking to an admin at a neighboring hospital and she said they are completely overrun.... both my hospital and hers have now set up triage centers outside the hospital to try and help.... our covid testing lines are wrapped around the hospital every day.... praying we burn through this wave quickly....
After reading your post, is it then your belief that the NIH, FDA, CDC, John Hopkins University and a host of other viral experts are "politicians"?
Because that's where the vast majority of this information is coming from.
No, not at all. It feels more like the politicians are spinning the data to their agenda.
Even if they are, it doesn’t stop you from going directly to those sources and drawing your own conclusions. I won’t bore you with the logic that I brought up in an earlier post about why I think it’s a good idea.
I feel the same exact way. I worry about my kids because my son has asthma and my daughter is immuno compromised too.
yep... my oldest was a premie and has asthma... currently he's at the ER with fever and hip pain.... likely a hip infection but he's also now surrounded by several kids likely with Covid
That's crazy... It amazes me how many refuse the vaccine.... what's also sad/scary is how much this variant is affecting kids who obviously can not get the vaccine.... I have two young kids and just pray when they get it they get a mild case.... because I Know they will get it at some point
Our hospital (kids hospital) is completely full of patients... last year we might have 1 maybe 2 patients with Covid... this time we have over a dozen and several coming into the EC every day... may not seem like a lot but this wave feels 100x worse than last time... was talking to an admin at a neighboring hospital and she said they are completely overrun.... both my hospital and hers have now set up triage centers outside the hospital to try and help.... our covid testing lines are wrapped around the hospital every day.... praying we burn through this wave quickly....
Sounds like you believe anything the Globalists will feed you. Pathetic!
Why don't you do some real research on this bio weapon vaccine and learn the truth??
Oh noooo, you wouldn't dare do that. Just roll over to the Globalists and take your 3rd jab, 4th jab, 5th jab...Rinse and repeat while they kill you and then the poor children.
This vaccine ruins your immunity system to say the least, hence more vaccinated Covid patients.
That's crazy... It amazes me how many refuse the vaccine.... what's also sad/scary is how much this variant is affecting kids who obviously can not get the vaccine.... I have two young kids and just pray when they get it they get a mild case.... because I Know they will get it at some point
Our hospital (kids hospital) is completely full of patients... last year we might have 1 maybe 2 patients with Covid... this time we have over a dozen and several coming into the EC every day... may not seem like a lot but this wave feels 100x worse than last time... was talking to an admin at a neighboring hospital and she said they are completely overrun.... both my hospital and hers have now set up triage centers outside the hospital to try and help.... our covid testing lines are wrapped around the hospital every day.... praying we burn through this wave quickly....
It doesn't surprise me. It has nothing to do with politics for the vast majority.
Look at the numbers who don't get a flu shot.
I'd say most people over 50 have gotten the Covid shot just as those are the same people who get a flu shot.
The reality is, at least to this point, the serious cases were with people 50 and up just like the flu. I don't need long oration about how the two are different. I am just speaking about the way people think. Most just get sick.
When I was 35 I didn't get flu shots at all let alone every year. If I was that age today, I "may" not have had a covid shot at this point either. I started getting a annual flu shot once I did catch a bad case of the flu at around the age of 45 and decided I wanted avoid that in the future.
I quoted "may" to emphasize that I may have since I do know that Covid is way more serious, even for younger folks.
I am a fairly old guy now. Heck, I'll take a shot for everything if it was available. My hips are always stiff. Is there a shot for that?
That's crazy... It amazes me how many refuse the vaccine.... what's also sad/scary is how much this variant is affecting kids who obviously can not get the vaccine.... I have two young kids and just pray when they get it they get a mild case.... because I Know they will get it at some point
Our hospital (kids hospital) is completely full of patients... last year we might have 1 maybe 2 patients with Covid... this time we have over a dozen and several coming into the EC every day... may not seem like a lot but this wave feels 100x worse than last time... was talking to an admin at a neighboring hospital and she said they are completely overrun.... both my hospital and hers have now set up triage centers outside the hospital to try and help.... our covid testing lines are wrapped around the hospital every day.... praying we burn through this wave quickly....
Sounds like you believe anything the Globalists will feed you. Pathetic!
Why don't you do some real research on this bio weapon vaccine and learn the truth??
Oh noooo, you wouldn't dare do that. Just roll over to the Globalists and take your 3rd jab, 4th jab, 5th jab...Rinse and repeat while they kill you and then the poor children.
This vaccine ruins your immunity system to say the least, hence more vaccinated Covid patients.
Do you actually know what a globalist is?
Anyway, you telling someone to do research is laughable
My ‘reasearch’ on the vaccine says it makes bald people grow full heads of hair and it whitens your teeth. Taking the second jab somehow added 1200 square feet to my house. I’ll have to research how that spontaneously happened but I swear it did. Super will you look into that one for me. Maybe that awesome research scientist Dan Bongino will have a video on it?
I finally figured out where you got the name SuperBrown from. It's for the SuperBrown crap that spews out of your mouth when you talk or type. 💩
Why don't you do some real research on this bio weapon vaccine and learn the truth??
The truly sad thing about this - having known/witness lots of conspiracy theorists who spout with utter conviction all sorts of mindless lies - 100% totally convinced they alone have access to the fountain of truth from which they get their "real" information from while the rest of the world are sheeple who simple believe anything they are spoon fed .... Those guys have followed and touted SO MANY absurd and proven false theories and lies ... and yet, despite each one coming and going and proven false .... THEY STILL CONTINUE TO SPEW THEIR crap with each new mad lie that comes along. Whether it's child sex rings, assassinations, the twin towers, election fraud, reinstatement day, monetary / government collapse or control - or vaccine lies and misinformation.
And in another 2 years when this 'blows over' and the vaccine is not a topic because the 5+ Billion people who took it are all fine other than the usual attrition that happens with 'life' ... SuperBrown won't accept he was a fool and a dupe - he'll be pedaling the next lie.
Peen, you really need to keep up. You're still back talking in terms of the original strain of Covid. Not the Delta variant. The Delta variant is hitting younger people and even children harder.
Pediatric Covid hospitalizations surge to highest on record in U.S. as doctors brace for more
Reads like a cautionary tale. Sad story for the family and a husband with three young daughters and one on the way.
‘Out of options.’ Texan who led anti-mask efforts is hospitalized with COVID, wife says BY KAITLYN ALANIS AUGUST 27, 2021 11:26 AM
A Texan who led anti-mask efforts and publicly opposed mandatory COVID-19 precautions is hospitalized with the coronavirus, and his pregnant wife says his chances of survival aren’t good.
Caleb Wallace is also a dad of three girls with another on the way, his wife Jessica said in a GoFundMe. Their baby is due Sept. 27, about two months after Caleb was hospitalized.
In what his wife described as a “heartbreaking update,” she shared Wednesday that her husband isn’t doing well.
“He’s not doing good,” she said in the public Facebook post. “It’s not looking in our favor, his lungs are stiff due to the fibrosis. They called and said they’ve run out of options for him and asked if I would consent to a do not resuscitate. And it would be up to us when to stop treatments.”
The post came three days after Jessica Wallace updated their GoFundMe followers. She said that while Wallace is “heavily sedated,” her family continues to FaceTime him nightly, praying their voices encourage him to continue his fight.
“These past few days have been a roller coaster, from getting the chest tube pulled out to having to insert the chest tube back in and getting a second chest tube inserted as well,” she wrote. “High fevers, infection coming in, bleeding into his chest and having to stop blood thinners and a feeling of gloom again.”
“My heart just can’t,” she said Wednesday. “I can’t imagine my life without him.”
Wallace has been unconscious and heavily sedated at Shannon Hospital in San Angelo, Texas, since Aug. 8, the San Angelo Standard-Times reported. That’s about a week after he was hospitalized with the virus. His lungs are weak as he continues his treatment on a ventilator.
His symptoms started July 26, and they progressively grew worse, the Standard-Times reported.
“Every time he would start to cough, it would turn into a coughing attack, and then that would cause him to completely go out of breath,” Jessica Wallace said, according to the newspaper.
He first refused to get tested or see a doctor because he didn’t want to be part of COVID-19 statistics, the publication reported, so he self-treated with Ivermectin, Vitamin C, zinc aspirin and an inhaler.
Soon, he had no choice but to seek medical treatment and was hospitalized.
Now, his family knows it must “pray for the best and prepare for the worst,” his wife said on GoFundMe. She said the fundraising page was created to help pay for their mortgage and other living expenses, but now says it will also help pay for his medical bills.
Prior to contracting the virus, Wallace was a known anti-mask proponent and founder of the “The San Angelo Freedom Defenders,” the Huffington Post reported.
“Caleb Wallace, an organizer of the San Angelo Freedom Defenders, is leading a group to educate and empower citizens to make informed choices concerning local, statewide, and national policy,” San Angelo Live! said in an October 2020 video interview with him.
In the video, Wallace said his group was “fed up” with mandatory coronavirus precautions in what was described as “COVID-19 tyranny.” His group organized a rally to fight for “the basic rights of breathing free air, moving about freely, going into businesses without being harassed about a mask.”
More recently, Wallace wrote a letter to the San Angelo Independent School District published in San Angelo Live! in April.
“We are demanding that San Angelo ISD rescind ALL COVID-related policies immediately! Nothing less would be acceptable,” he said.
While Wallace wouldn’t wear a mask, the Standard-Times reported that his wife would wear one.
“I’m from the border town of Del Rio, and my views are less conservative,” she said, according to the San Angelo newspaper. “I’m not a liberal. I stand somewhere in the middle. ... Caleb would tell me, ‘You know masks aren’t going to save you,’ but he understood I wanted to wear them. It gives me comfort to know that maybe, just maybe, I’m either protecting someone or avoiding it myself.”
As of Thursday, the Texas Department of State Health Services estimates 272,465 active COVID-19 cases within the state as the virus continues to surge. Nearly 55,000 have died from COVID-19 in Texas.
I hope he lives. He’s been hospitalized since 8/8. My guess is he’d exit the hospital with $100,000+ in debt. Maybe next he could fight against socialized medicine. As it is his family will be stuck with the debt for years to come.
Man how have I not put you on ignore yet... I thought about skipping the reply but your post is just too idiotic....
My post is about my PERSONAL experience with the hospital I work at... has nothing to do with the news (which I don't watch)... or 'globalists' (whatever the hell that is).
Keep your head in the sand... I believe the multitude of physical evidence and the men and women who had a medical doctorate...
I hope he lives. He’s been hospitalized since 8/8. My guess is he’d exit the hospital with $100,000+ in debt. Maybe next he could fight against socialized medicine. As it is his family will be stuck with the debt for years to come.
This whole anti mask/anti vax movement baffles me.
Think about it for a moment. If you lived in suburban neighborhood and found out there was a convicted former child molester on your block, what would you do to protect your child?
The answer of course is "EVERYTHING I CAN THINK OF"
Now replace Child Molester with Covid,, is the answer not the same?
“the basic rights of breathing free air, moving about freely, going into businesses without being harassed about a mask.
His obituary shall read "He died a free man"
Which would be a stupid thing to have in his obituary. You see, you have the freedom to make choices that do not impact, risk the health and safety of others. Once your decision threatens others, it's no longer about "your freedom". It's about the freedom of everyone around you.
If anything his obituary should read. "I died being so stupid I thought my freedom included the right to neglect the rights of everyone around me".
A Texas man who protested against face masks will be transferred to hospice after being hospitalized for nearly a month with COVID-19
Taylor Ardrey Sat, August 28, 2021, 12:29 PM·3 min read
A Texas man who protested against face masks has been hospitalized with COVID-19 for about a month.
Caleb Wallace was admitted to the hospital in July after showing symptoms of the virus, the San Angelo Standard-Times reported.
His wife told the New York Times that he was being transferred to hospice on Saturday.
An anti-masker in Texas who organized protests against COVID-19 pandemic guidelines has been fighting for his life in the hospital for nearly a month after contracting the virus, according to reports.
Caleb Wallace, a 30-year-old father of three, started showing symptoms of the virus on July 26 and initially refused to go to the hospital for treatment, his wife, Jessica, told the San Angelo Standard-Times. Instead, he was taking vitamin C, aspirin, and ivermectin.
He was taken to the Shannon Medical Center just a few days later, on July 30. According to the report, his condition worsened, resulting in him being placed on a ventilator in the ICU earlier this month.
Jessica, who is pregnant with a fourth child due in late September, created a GoFundMe and raised more than $35,000 to help with Wallace's medical bills and other finances. She has also been providing updates on her husband's condition on the fundraiser and her Facebook page.
"Caleb won't make it much longer. He will be moved to comfort care tomorrow, and I will get to be there with him until it's his time to return to our father in heaven," Jessica wrote in an update on the GoFundMe on Friday. "I appreciate everyone, all the good and the bad. You all have the right to feel the way you feel, as Caleb once fought for his beliefs. He was an imperfect man, but he loved his family and his little girls more than anything."
The Huff Post reported that in July 2020, Wallace organized "The Freedom Rally" protests opposing the "government being in control of our lives."
He is also touted as a founder of San Angelo Freedom Defenders and orchestrated a rally "to end COVID tyranny," according to San Angelo LIVE! and the Standard-Times.
In addition, as the Standard-Times reported, Wallace wrote a letter to the San Angelo Independent School District asking them to overturn their COVID-related guidelines.
In an update on his condition on Saturday, Jessica told the New York Times that her husband would be transferred to hospice at the hospital, and the family will share their final goodbyes.
Texas has been heavily impacted by the surge in COVID-19 cases, leading some hospitals to scramble as ICU beds are in the single digits.
According to the Texas Tribune, health officials have warned that the state is "entering the worst surge in sheer numbers," as the unvaccinated make up a majority of hospitalizations. Data from the New York Times shows that about 47% of the people in the state are fully vaccinated.
Deaths in 80%-Vaccinated UK Up TENFOLD From This Time Last Year When Zero Were Vaccinated
By J.D. Rucker • Aug. 28, 2021
The constant drumbeat from Big Pharma’s pawns in government, media, Big Tech, and academia hits Americans over the head every day with their push for universal vaccinations. Vaccine mandates are spreading faster than the disease itself as millions are suddenly finding themselves forced to choose between taking the experimental drugs or losing access to life’s essentials such as jobs or groceries.
The justification for rising authoritarianism and incessant propaganda in America has been the notion that if we just get everyone vaccinated, Covid-19 will go away and we can establish a “new normal” for society. They want us to forget that the original goal was 40%, then 60%, then 80%. Anthony Fauci said he doesn’t want to move the goalpost to 90%… yet.
How is that working out in other nations? We’ve covered Israel robustly as the data coming out of there shows the tremendous inefficacy of Covid-19 “vaccines,” particularly the recently-FDA-approved Pfizer jabs which is by far the most prevalent in the Jewish state. Journalist Alex Berenson has covered the Israeli data as well, for which he has been bombarded with arguments that Israel is not like the U.S.
Berenson decided to analyze the United Kingdom to see how they’re fairing. They are much larger than Israel with population densities similar to the United States. They are nearly as heavily vaccinated as Israel, having already reached the milestones set by the Big Pharma puppets in the United States. The results were shocking…
“To the vaccine fanatics who are saying, Israel, who cares, Israel’s tiny, muah…” he tweeted. “The UK – population 65 million, ~80% of adults fully vaccinated – is very much heading the wrong way. Deaths are up 10x – yes, tenfold – compared to this time last year. Cases are rising again.”
Like so many of us who are trying to spread the truth about the Covid-19 “vaccines,” the risks associated with them, and the lack of any demonstrable proof they actually do what we’ve been told they would, Berenson is swimming upstream. He is getting attacked from both sides of the aisle for not bowing to the diktats of the Covid tyrants.
Is there are point in the future when we’re given actual data showing why we’re supposed to be vaccinated? No. We’re just told to shut up and get the jabs. All data that’s not manipulated by Big Pharma points to the vaccines simply not working.
Delta is more transmissible and contagious. If you looked for sources that actually processed the facts before writing a hair on fire clickbait article, you might not look so silly.
That's crazy... It amazes me how many refuse the vaccine.... what's also sad/scary is how much this variant is affecting kids who obviously can not get the vaccine.... I have two young kids and just pray when they get it they get a mild case.... because I Know they will get it at some point
Our hospital (kids hospital) is completely full of patients... last year we might have 1 maybe 2 patients with Covid... this time we have over a dozen and several coming into the EC every day... may not seem like a lot but this wave feels 100x worse than last time... was talking to an admin at a neighboring hospital and she said they are completely overrun.... both my hospital and hers have now set up triage centers outside the hospital to try and help.... our covid testing lines are wrapped around the hospital every day.... praying we burn through this wave quickly....
Sounds like you believe anything the Globalists will feed you. Pathetic!
Why don't you do some real research on this bio weapon vaccine and learn the truth??
Oh noooo, you wouldn't dare do that. Just roll over to the Globalists and take your 3rd jab, 4th jab, 5th jab...Rinse and repeat while they kill you and then the poor children.
This vaccine ruins your immunity system to say the least, hence more vaccinated Covid patients.
Please sir, enlighten me where I can do this so called "real" research? Where is the vast expanse of knowledge that no one else seems to know where it is? Who are the people withholding this information?
I know you are an expert on the "immunity" system.
Nope. You just don't recognize the grift and fell right into it. Berenson is making a pile of money off his followers. It's a highly profitable "business" in the current climate.
Check him out on Substack and make sure to buy his book!
Repeating things over and over again doesn’t make them the truth.
In fact, facts are stubborn things. And whatever may be our wishes, inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
He first refused to get tested or see a doctor because he didn’t want to be part of COVID-19 statistics, the publication reported, so he self-treated with Ivermectin, Vitamin C, zinc aspirin and an inhaler.
Soon, he had no choice but to seek medical treatment and was hospitalized.
Looks like THAT group's silver bullet (Ivermectin) didn't help him at all. So much for "r3Zurch!!!1!!".
IMO, the sad part about this story (aside from his wife now probably having to look after an expanding family on her own) is actually the fact that he's been hogging a ventilator this whole time.
He first refused to get tested or see a doctor because he didn’t want to be part of COVID-19 statistics, the publication reported, so he self-treated with Ivermectin, Vitamin C, zinc aspirin and an inhaler.
Soon, he had no choice but to seek medical treatment and was hospitalized.
Looks like THAT group's silver bullet (Ivermectin) didn't help him at all. So much for "r3Zurch!!!1!!".
IMO, the sad part about this story (aside from his wife now probably having to look after an expanding family on her own) is actually the fact that he's been hogging a ventilator this whole time.
It’s like damn, I want to feel bad for guys like him.
But when someone goes out of their way to be this freaking stubborn, and then this happens?
Could y’all imagine time traveling America back to when the polio vaccine dropped? With Americans having the ability to use social media? Man I wonder how many more people would be dead. I wonder what the anti vaccine movement would’ve looked like.
I understand why medical professionals don’t want to work in hospitals around the country. Imagine having to treat the very people who don’t even believe Covid is real, and then the hostility toward yourself just because you believe in the science.
For the life of me, though... I can't conjure up a single bit of sympathy for the person themselves, though. They propagated the stupid, and this is their outcome.
Sounds like you pro bio weapon vaxxers are happy he died.
I'm not happy he died. I am however happy that his BS has been silenced and that the publicity of his death may change someone's mind about getting vaccinated and save their life.
I will say one more thing... I don't feel any sort of guilt pointing out the irony in some of these stories like the activist guy who just died. Might be heartless on my part, but I'm fine with counting that as a character flaw at this point.
-"freedom" (from common sense, maybe) activist in Texas catches COVID while fighting against mandates to stop COVID -hides it to avoid counting towards the case count (these are the same people that say case counts are overstated) -self treats with Ivermectin, the loonies' latest 'miracle drug' but has to get admitted anyway -but it's too late. His stubborn fight against common sense wore on too long
Sounds like you pro bio weapon vaxxers are happy he died.
I hope you are all still alive in 3-5 years after taking the bio weapon vaccine.
You took an experimental vaccine with trillions of spike protein. Do some research. Blood clotting is just the starting point.
We are actually trying to warn the stupid. Did you get the message.... this time? It appears not. As the vast majority of people who are hospitalized and dying are those not vaccinated, you still spread BS. If you keep it up you'll create the same crisis Trump did. A lack of toilet paper from having to clean it up.
It's the microwaved hot dogs that should alarm you! They have a casing that traps in the microwaves and then holds them in until you bite into the hot dog which releases them throughout your body. Rumor has it that the only thing which helps prevent the spread from being dispersed throughout your body is meth. I heard that on Breitbart and OAN.
No point vaccinating those who’ve had COVID-19: Cleveland Clinic study suggests
Scientists from the Cleveland Clinic, USA, have recently evaluated the effectiveness of coronavirus disease 2019 COVID-19) vaccination among individuals with or without a history of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection.
The study findings reveal that individuals with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection do not get additional benefits from vaccination, indicating that COVID-19 vaccines should be prioritized to individuals without prior infection. The study is currently available on the medRxiv* preprint server (not peer-reviewed).
*The study was conducted on 52,238 employees in the Cleveland Clinic.
Natural immunity from Covid infection could be stronger than vaccination in protecting against Delta variant: Recovered patients are 13 TIMES less likely to be infected than those who have Pfizer jabs, Israeli study suggests
Natural immunity from Covid infection could be stronger than vaccination in protecting against Delta variant: Recovered patients are 13 TIMES less likely to be infected than those who have Pfizer jabs, Israeli study suggests
Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research Updated August 16, 2021
Cleveland Clinic recommends those who are eligible receive the COVID-19 vaccine.
In June, we shared research that provided insight into how the immune system protects the body after a confirmed COVID-19 infection. The study followed Cleveland Clinic caregivers over five months as the vaccination process was beginning. The data showed that the vaccine was extremely effective in preventing COVID-19 infection. In addition, during the study, none of the employees who had confirmed positive PCR tests and remained unvaccinated were re-infected. It’s important to note that this study was conducted in late 2020 and early 2021, before the emergence of the Delta variant.
More research is needed. We do not know how long the immune system will protect itself against re-infection after COVID-19, as our study only looked at individuals over a five-month period, or how well-protected previously infected individuals are against variants. It is also important to keep in mind that this study was conducted in a population that was younger and healthier than the general population.
It is safe to receive the COVID-19 vaccine even if you have previously tested positive, and we recommend all those who are eligible receive it.
Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research Updated August 16, 2021
Cleveland Clinic recommends those who are eligible receive the COVID-19 vaccine.
In June, we shared research that provided insight into how the immune system protects the body after a confirmed COVID-19 infection. The study followed Cleveland Clinic caregivers over five months as the vaccination process was beginning. The data showed that the vaccine was extremely effective in preventing COVID-19 infection. In addition, during the study, none of the employees who had confirmed positive PCR tests and remained unvaccinated were re-infected. It’s important to note that this study was conducted in late 2020 and early 2021, before the emergence of the Delta variant.
More research is needed. We do not know how long the immune system will protect itself against re-infection after COVID-19, as our study only looked at individuals over a five-month period, or how well-protected previously infected individuals are against variants. It is also important to keep in mind that this study was conducted in a population that was younger and healthier than the general population.
It is safe to receive the COVID-19 vaccine even if you have previously tested positive, and we recommend all those who are eligible receive it.
check out the infections and deaths plots. Their is a spike in infections but barely a bump in the deaths.
That sounds great if you leave out the details. Over 1100 Americans a day are dying of Covid. It doesn't sound nearly as attractive when you put real world numbers to it does it?
in 5 years we MIGHT learn... what a croc! We KNOW now that being unvaccinated is an insane personal risk and can kill others, what the hell else do you need to learn? Should we sit around and wait to see if all the vaccinated die from whackadoo imaginary robot DNA trackers in the serum? GMAB. It seems the people still looking for reasons to not get the jab are the heart of the problem. It's a shame we don't have a nice big isolated island somewhere that we could send the unvaccinated to let them "contemplate" the shot.
So you're relying on data that came out before the Delta variant because you don't understand the difference or because you don't wish to show the difference?
They have no desire to look at how viral vaccinations work or the history behind them which shows without a doubt that any major side effects will be seen within a few days.
They try to use isolated and rare health issues that happened "around the time of vaccination" and attempt to claim it was "because of the vaccination" with usually little to no evidence of it.
They wish to focus on the few cases where people have had adverse reactions in order to try and play down the hundreds of thousands of deaths the vaccines have prevented.
in 5 years we MIGHT learn... what a croc! We KNOW now that being unvaccinated is an insane personal risk and can kill others, what the hell else do you need to learn? Should we sit around and wait to see if all the vaccinated die from whackadoo imaginary robot DNA trackers in the serum? GMAB. It seems the people still looking for reasons to not get the jab are the heart of the problem. It's a shame we don't have a nice big isolated island somewhere that we could send the unvaccinated to let them "contemplate" the shot.
We don't know what we don't know and it is foolish to assume we know everything when we are just learning about this virus especially the latest variants. The problem is also that many vaccinated people are getting coivd and higher rates than expected and we are now adding in booster shots because it feels like we don't really know what else to do. Also, the numbers we projected were way off.. we said 85-90% success rate and now Pfizer has been adjusted down to somewhere between 40 and 60% over time.
Remember when Chantix came out and it was supposed to be the next savior for people to quit smoking? All of a sudden... whoops! 2 years later people started offing themselves in droves? well, how do we know that won't happen with the vaccines?
Remember when Singular came out in 1998 and it was supposed to help asthmatics? All of a sudden... 2009... whoops! they started connecting mental health issues with the meds and realized it was a massive problem and people are messed up from it. Well, how do we know that won't happen with the vaccines?
So you're relying on data that came out before the Delta variant because you don't understand the difference or because you don't wish to show the difference?
Delta variant came out in October of '20 from India. These tests were done until early 2021. We don't know how much overlapping there was/is with delta.
Good data takes a while to compile, so assuming anything at this point is silly and over-reactionary and bullying for political agenda or personal beliefs.
[quote=OldColdDawg] in 5 years we MIGHT learn... what a croc! We KNOW now that being unvaccinated is an insane personal risk and can kill others, what the hell else do you need to learn? Should we sit around and wait to see if all the vaccinated die from whackadoo imaginary robot DNA trackers in the serum? GMAB. It seems the people still looking for reasons to not get the jab are the heart of the problem. It's a shame we don't have a nice big isolated island somewhere that we could send the unvaccinated to let them "contemplate" the shot.
We don't know what we don't know and it is foolish to assume we know everything when we are just learning about this virus especially the latest variants. The problem is also that many vaccinated people are getting coivd and higher rates than expected and we are now adding in booster shots because it feels like we don't really know what else to do. Also, the numbers we projected were way off.. we said 85-90% success rate and now Pfizer has been adjusted down to somewhere between 40 and 60% over time.
Remember when Prilosec/Nexium/Prevacid came out in 1988 and it was supposed to help people with heartburn? All of a sudden... 22 years later... whoops! they started connecting how it causes cancer and realized it was a massive problem and people are messed up from it. Well, how do we know that won't happen with the vaccines?
Remember when Chantix came out and it was supposed to be the next savior for people to quit smoking? All of a sudden... whoops! 2 years later people started offing themselves in droves? well, how do we know that won't happen with the vaccines?
Remember when Singular came out in 1998 and it was supposed to help asthmatics? All of a sudden... 2009... (21 years later) whoops! they started connecting mental health issues with the meds and realized it was a massive problem and people are messed up from it. Well, how do we know that won't happen with the vaccines?
All you need to do is look at the data as to the timeline when the Delta hit the United states to see it was not prevalent in the United Sates nor the U.K. at the time period you are referencing.
Please show where any of those are anti viral vaccines. Then once you can't do that, please show where any anti viral vaccine has had long term side effects that didn't present themselves until years after they began being used.
It is just flat wrong to not allow people to make decisions about whether to get vaccinated or not. This is or at least was a free country. Getting vaccinated or not is your own personal choice. The individual chooses what goes in their body not Government.
in 5 years we MIGHT learn... what a croc! We KNOW now that being unvaccinated is an insane personal risk and can kill others, what the hell else do you need to learn? Should we sit around and wait to see if all the vaccinated die from whackadoo imaginary robot DNA trackers in the serum? GMAB. It seems the people still looking for reasons to not get the jab are the heart of the problem. It's a shame we don't have a nice big isolated island somewhere that we could send the unvaccinated to let them "contemplate" the shot.
We don't know what we don't know and it is foolish to assume we know everything when we are just learning about this virus especially the latest variants. The problem is also that many vaccinated people are getting coivd and higher rates than expected and we are now adding in booster shots because it feels like we don't really know what else to do. Also, the numbers we projected were way off.. we said 85-90% success rate and now Pfizer has been adjusted down to somewhere between 40 and 60% over time.
Remember when Chantix came out and it was supposed to be the next savior for people to quit smoking? All of a sudden... whoops! 2 years later people started offing themselves in droves? well, how do we know that won't happen with the vaccines?
Remember when Singular came out in 1998 and it was supposed to help asthmatics? All of a sudden... 2009... whoops! they started connecting mental health issues with the meds and realized it was a massive problem and people are messed up from it. Well, how do we know that won't happen with the vaccines?
Well you don't know if the air you are breathing now is contaminated with something that might cause cancer... or if it contains micro AI robots that are designed to reprogram your brain... MAYBE you should play it safe and just quit breathing. We would all feel better knowing you are doing the safe thing.
So you feel you have rights that allow you to risk the health, safety and even possibly life of people around you? If so, can you tell me at what point you think exercising your rights should be allowed to interfere with the rights of others?
You get cancer and you don't want chemo? Fine, you can't spread your cancer to others. You don't want to wear a seat belt? Fine, you aren't taking a bigger risk of killing anyone other than yourself. Covid isn't the same thing. When "your freedom" interferes with the freedom, health and safety of everyone around you, it seems the only thing you really give a damn about is what you want and to hell with everyone else.
Please show where any of those are anti viral vaccines. Then once you can't do that, please show where any anti viral vaccine has had long term side effects that didn't present themselves until years after they began being used.
Thanks in advance.
what you are advocating is that you know the answers.
what I am advocating is that we don't have the answers because: 1. We don't have enough time. It can take decades before we know if medicine or vaccines were a good idea. 2. We don't have a single covid strain to know the results of the vaccine. 3. We don't know if getting covid and fighting it off is better than getting the vaccine 4. we don't know the long-term side effects of the vaccine. Plenty of vaccines have caused ineffectiveness/complications/death.
in 5 years we MIGHT learn... what a croc! We KNOW now that being unvaccinated is an insane personal risk and can kill others, what the hell else do you need to learn? Should we sit around and wait to see if all the vaccinated die from whackadoo imaginary robot DNA trackers in the serum? GMAB. It seems the people still looking for reasons to not get the jab are the heart of the problem. It's a shame we don't have a nice big isolated island somewhere that we could send the unvaccinated to let them "contemplate" the shot.
We don't know what we don't know and it is foolish to assume we know everything when we are just learning about this virus especially the latest variants. The problem is also that many vaccinated people are getting coivd and higher rates than expected and we are now adding in booster shots because it feels like we don't really know what else to do. Also, the numbers we projected were way off.. we said 85-90% success rate and now Pfizer has been adjusted down to somewhere between 40 and 60% over time.
Remember when Chantix came out and it was supposed to be the next savior for people to quit smoking? All of a sudden... whoops! 2 years later people started offing themselves in droves? well, how do we know that won't happen with the vaccines?
Remember when Singular came out in 1998 and it was supposed to help asthmatics? All of a sudden... 2009... whoops! they started connecting mental health issues with the meds and realized it was a massive problem and people are messed up from it. Well, how do we know that won't happen with the vaccines?
Well you don't know if the air you are breathing now is contaminated with something that might cause cancer... or if it contains micro AI robots that are designed to reprogram your brain... MAYBE you should play it safe and just quit breathing. We would all feel better knowing you are doing the safe thing.
This is how ridiculous you sound. Shut up.
LOL you acting like a bully, screaming louder, typing rude words does not make you right. It just makes you look silly and scared.
first of all, I am extremely level-headed. Saying things like AI or bots or something like that is just stupid. period
It is ok to say things or ask questions like: We don't have all of the answers Maybe we should do more research Why are we rushing things for very small percentages of people who have not gotten better or died. Why are so many people getting sick or have died who have the vaccine? Why are there so many conflicting studies? Why are there studies showing getting Covid and beating is better than the vaccine? Why do we need a booster?
Please show where any of those are anti viral vaccines. Then once you can't do that, please show where any anti viral vaccine has had long term side effects that didn't present themselves until years after they began being used.
Thanks in advance.
well, one I can think of is when my son was born with that rotavirus vaccine in the early 2000's
So as to #1. I see you refuse to show any effects from any viral vaccination that has ever displayed any long term effects later in the process. That's because viral vaccinations do not work anything like the other medications you listed.
How Do We Know the COVID-19 Vaccine Won’t Have Long-Term Side Effects?
#2. We already have several strains that have mutated and the vaccines have been shown to be pretty effective against all of them.
#3. What we do know is getting Covid has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. What we do know is that the vast majority of those in our hospitals and those who are dying are due to being unvaccinted. It seems as though you think despite those facts people should risk getting Covid and just "hoping it turns out okay" rather than to greatly reduce the risk of dying or being hospitalized in the first place by getting the vaccine.
#4. Once again, I've already shown you the science on viral vaccines. You're simply repeating what you said in #1 in a different way which science has shown not to be true.
Trying to inform people is such an exhausting task. But some people have their minds made up and no matter how much evidence you show them it simply makes no difference. You seem to be one of those people.
Please show where any of those are anti viral vaccines. Then once you can't do that, please show where any anti viral vaccine has had long term side effects that didn't present themselves until years after they began being used.
Thanks in advance.
well, one I can think of is when my son was born with that rotavirus vaccine in the early 2000's
What are you talking about? Please provide a legitimate source - because I'm fairly confident this isn't real.
in 5 years we MIGHT learn... what a croc! We KNOW now that being unvaccinated is an insane personal risk and can kill others, what the hell else do you need to learn? Should we sit around and wait to see if all the vaccinated die from whackadoo imaginary robot DNA trackers in the serum? GMAB. It seems the people still looking for reasons to not get the jab are the heart of the problem. It's a shame we don't have a nice big isolated island somewhere that we could send the unvaccinated to let them "contemplate" the shot.
We don't know what we don't know and it is foolish to assume we know everything when we are just learning about this virus especially the latest variants. The problem is also that many vaccinated people are getting coivd and higher rates than expected and we are now adding in booster shots because it feels like we don't really know what else to do. Also, the numbers we projected were way off.. we said 85-90% success rate and now Pfizer has been adjusted down to somewhere between 40 and 60% over time.
Remember when Chantix came out and it was supposed to be the next savior for people to quit smoking? All of a sudden... whoops! 2 years later people started offing themselves in droves? well, how do we know that won't happen with the vaccines?
Remember when Singular came out in 1998 and it was supposed to help asthmatics? All of a sudden... 2009... whoops! they started connecting mental health issues with the meds and realized it was a massive problem and people are messed up from it. Well, how do we know that won't happen with the vaccines?
Well you don't know if the air you are breathing now is contaminated with something that might cause cancer... or if it contains micro AI robots that are designed to reprogram your brain... MAYBE you should play it safe and just quit breathing. We would all feel better knowing you are doing the safe thing.
This is how ridiculous you sound. Shut up.
LOL you acting like a bully, screaming louder, typing rude words does not make you right. It just makes you look silly and scared.
first of all, I am extremely level-headed. Saying things like AI or bots or something like that is just stupid. period
It is ok to say things or ask questions like: We don't have all of the answers Maybe we should do more research Why are we rushing things for very small percentages of people who have not gotten better or died. Why are so many people getting sick or have died who have the vaccine? Why are there so many conflicting studies? Why are there studies showing getting Covid and beating is better than the vaccine? Why do we need a booster?
Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated
See the Data on Breakthrough Covid Hospitalizations and Deaths by State
Serious coronavirus infections among vaccinated people have been relatively rare since the start of the vaccination campaign, a New York Times analysis of data from 40 states and Washington, D.C., shows. Fully vaccinated people have made up as few as 0.1 percent of and as many as 5 percent of those hospitalized with the virus in those states, and as few as 0.2 percent and as many as 6 percent of those who have died.
There is still a lot we do not know about so-called breakthrough infections — when fully inoculated people contract the virus. And there is some evidence that these cases are becoming more common as the more transmissible Delta variant surges. While vaccines have done a remarkable job at protecting a vast majority of people from serious illness, the data in the Times analysis generally spanned the period from the start of the vaccination campaign until mid-June or July, before the Delta variant became predominant in the United States.
Some good data in the NYT piece. Almost everything I see says that what you are saying is more or less baseless fear mongering. #factbased
If everybody, including you. would just get the vaccine, then we would be able to do much more to control and defeat this virus. BUT your ilk would rather be contrary and compound the difficulty over the political talking points of a loser.
Please bring some sort of sources to the table to back up what you're saying. Just "saying it" means pretty much nothing.
Actually it was pulled within less than a year after it was introduced. The reports were coming in very soon after it was introduced and within that same time frame, the same would be being done with the Covid vaccine. There were a fraction of the amount of those vaccines given than have been the Covid vaccine.
And no, your statement about "killing babies left and right" is false.
So this claim you made of....
Quote:
1. We don't have enough time. It can take decades before we know if medicine or vaccines were a good idea.
, doesn't even apply in this case. It was a viral vaccine that questions were raised right away and studies were done and it was pulled in less than a year.
He doesn't like my rude words that finally started to appear after weeks of this BS from the antilife side of the aisle. Scared to get a shot. smh
Not naming anyone or calling anybody names, this is just my general belief at this point. IMHO anyone eligible who does not get a shot now that Pfizer was finally approved is either a coward or an imbecile. Can't think of a single logical nonpolitical reason you would not get it. NONE.
And that feeling is what has the vaccinated angry at the unvaxxed.
So as to #1. I see you refuse to show any effects from any viral vaccination that has ever displayed any long term effects later in the process. That's because viral vaccinations do not work anything like the other medications you listed.
How Do We Know the COVID-19 Vaccine Won’t Have Long-Term Side Effects?
#2. We already have several strains that have mutated and the vaccines have been shown to be pretty effective against all of them.
#3. What we do know is getting Covid has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. What we do know is that the vast majority of those in our hospitals and those who are dying are due to being unvaccinted. It seems as though you think despite those facts people should risk getting Covid and just "hoping it turns out okay" rather than to greatly reduce the risk of dying or being hospitalized in the first place by getting the vaccine.
#4. Once again, I've already shown you the science on viral vaccines. You're simply repeating what you said in #1 in a different way which science has shown not to be true.
Trying to inform people is such an exhausting task. But some people have their minds made up and no matter how much evidence you show them it simply makes no difference. You seem to be one of those people.
1. they have years to develop vaccines and they mess them up a lot before they release them to the public... we had months 1. Pfizer is 40% effective against the vaccine after a few months. 1C. the FDA is already warning labeling Pfizer saying it causes heart complications in young adults. So, your argument is straw.
2. We don't have enough time to know how effective it is against the variants. (same as the argument against the info I shared about people who recovered from covid are better protected than those with the vaccine)
3. Covid has only killed less than 10,000 people under the age of 40. It has killed 485,280 over the age of 65 who, many multiple underlying health issues. --- anyone can make a pie chart look good. 4. we don't have enough data. we do know that we are starting to see issues with the effectiveness of the vaccine and there are side effects that are starting to show up in the short term.
Just because you want to be right doesn't make you right. If you read what I am saying... I am saying we don't have enough data/information/time to know the effects. Only time will tell. It feels like you are throwing a temper tantrum because you need to be right.
Please show where any of those are anti viral vaccines. Then once you can't do that, please show where any anti viral vaccine has had long term side effects that didn't present themselves until years after they began being used.
Thanks in advance.
well, one I can think of is when my son was born with that rotavirus vaccine in the early 2000's
What are you talking about? Please provide a legitimate source - because I'm fairly confident this isn't real.
Here you go: 1 year after being approved and on the market... the CDC pulled it.
The U.S. Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) voted on October 22, 1999 to no longer recommend use of the RotaShield® vaccine for infants because of an association between the vaccine and intussusception.
Why was RotaShield® was taken off U.S. market in 1999? RotaShield® vaccine was the first vaccine to prevent rotavirus gastroenteritis approved for use in the United States in August 1998. Its removal from the market is a good case study for how the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) quickly worked together and took action based on increased reports of incidents to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) and removed the vaccine from use.
1. uh? I never said thousands. 2. I said from what I remember 3. I was wrong. it got a lot of infants sick left and right and like 100 needed surgeries and 2 died. I think it was Sids that was/is causing it and I think at the time, that was what it was trying to combat.
Regardless, that is just one example where they pulled a vaccine off of the shelf after it was FDA approved, properly tested, and everything else in between.
It's not just dems on here telling you that you are delusional. There are people with the same political views as you are telling you the same. Just saying.
in 5 years we MIGHT learn... what a croc! We KNOW now that being unvaccinated is an insane personal risk and can kill others, what the hell else do you need to learn? Should we sit around and wait to see if all the vaccinated die from whackadoo imaginary robot DNA trackers in the serum? GMAB. It seems the people still looking for reasons to not get the jab are the heart of the problem. It's a shame we don't have a nice big isolated island somewhere that we could send the unvaccinated to let them "contemplate" the shot.
We don't know what we don't know and it is foolish to assume we know everything when we are just learning about this virus especially the latest variants. The problem is also that many vaccinated people are getting coivd and higher rates than expected and we are now adding in booster shots because it feels like we don't really know what else to do. Also, the numbers we projected were way off.. we said 85-90% success rate and now Pfizer has been adjusted down to somewhere between 40 and 60% over time.
Remember when Chantix came out and it was supposed to be the next savior for people to quit smoking? All of a sudden... whoops! 2 years later people started offing themselves in droves? well, how do we know that won't happen with the vaccines?
Remember when Singular came out in 1998 and it was supposed to help asthmatics? All of a sudden... 2009... whoops! they started connecting mental health issues with the meds and realized it was a massive problem and people are messed up from it. Well, how do we know that won't happen with the vaccines?
Well you don't know if the air you are breathing now is contaminated with something that might cause cancer... or if it contains micro AI robots that are designed to reprogram your brain... MAYBE you should play it safe and just quit breathing. We would all feel better knowing you are doing the safe thing.
This is how ridiculous you sound. Shut up.
LOL you acting like a bully, screaming louder, typing rude words does not make you right. It just makes you look silly and scared.
first of all, I am extremely level-headed. Saying things like AI or bots or something like that is just stupid. period
It is ok to say things or ask questions like: We don't have all of the answers Maybe we should do more research Why are we rushing things for very small percentages of people who have not gotten better or died. Why are so many people getting sick or have died who have the vaccine? Why are there so many conflicting studies? Why are there studies showing getting Covid and beating is better than the vaccine? Why do we need a booster?
With this type of thinking, polio, malaria, and a host of other diseases would still be rampant.
in 5 years we MIGHT learn... what a croc! We KNOW now that being unvaccinated is an insane personal risk and can kill others, what the hell else do you need to learn? Should we sit around and wait to see if all the vaccinated die from whackadoo imaginary robot DNA trackers in the serum? GMAB. It seems the people still looking for reasons to not get the jab are the heart of the problem. It's a shame we don't have a nice big isolated island somewhere that we could send the unvaccinated to let them "contemplate" the shot.
We don't know what we don't know and it is foolish to assume we know everything when we are just learning about this virus especially the latest variants. The problem is also that many vaccinated people are getting coivd and higher rates than expected and we are now adding in booster shots because it feels like we don't really know what else to do. Also, the numbers we projected were way off.. we said 85-90% success rate and now Pfizer has been adjusted down to somewhere between 40 and 60% over time.
Remember when Chantix came out and it was supposed to be the next savior for people to quit smoking? All of a sudden... whoops! 2 years later people started offing themselves in droves? well, how do we know that won't happen with the vaccines?
Remember when Singular came out in 1998 and it was supposed to help asthmatics? All of a sudden... 2009... whoops! they started connecting mental health issues with the meds and realized it was a massive problem and people are messed up from it. Well, how do we know that won't happen with the vaccines?
Well you don't know if the air you are breathing now is contaminated with something that might cause cancer... or if it contains micro AI robots that are designed to reprogram your brain... MAYBE you should play it safe and just quit breathing. We would all feel better knowing you are doing the safe thing.
This is how ridiculous you sound. Shut up.
LOL you acting like a bully, screaming louder, typing rude words does not make you right. It just makes you look silly and scared.
first of all, I am extremely level-headed. Saying things like AI or bots or something like that is just stupid. period
It is ok to say things or ask questions like: We don't have all of the answers Maybe we should do more research Why are we rushing things for very small percentages of people who have not gotten better or died. Why are so many people getting sick or have died who have the vaccine? Why are there so many conflicting studies? Why are there studies showing getting Covid and beating is better than the vaccine? Why do we need a booster?
With this type of thinking, polio, malaria, and a host of other diseases would still be rampant.
actually, this type of thinking helped make vaccines that are safe and work properly.
1. it took 50 years to develop a vaccine for Polio 2. They don't have a vaccine for malaria. They have been trying to make one for over 50 years though. The closest they have is something like 56% effective. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01096-7
In 1935, Maurice Brodie and John Kolmer attempted to create a vaccination that ended with disastrous results.
Brodie tested the vaccine on himself and thousands of children volunteered by their parents. Within one year the trial ended and nine children who received the vaccine had died. Lab tests later showed that Kolmer’s experimental vaccine was the cause.
we finally figured out a vaccine that was safe in 1955 thanks to Dr. Joans Salk.
You have mentioned being a data guy, but you’ve adopted a point and refuse to move off of it by citing exceptions and unlikelihoods rather than the norm to bolster your positions.
You have mentioned being a data guy, but you’ve adopted a point and refuse to move off of it by citing exceptions and unlikelihoods rather than the norm to bolster your positions.
Well let's be honest for a minute. All he's done is start with a premise that we may not really know the effects of the vaccines until years from now... For that he's been yelled at, called names, told to shut up and his point of view has been belittled by anyone who has responded.
So... by saying "refusing to move off" and "the norm", what you really mean is he should "sit down and shut up"... just like anybody that has any point of view that doesn't fit the general consensus here in Covidland.
And just to be clear -- I'm not picking on you, you have a reasonable point of view... responding to your post just happens to be the best way to contrast the general reaction to what is actually being argued.
I am certainly not on board with the name calling or being told to shut up. I abhor that, as much as I think multifaceted discussions are good. I don’t ever intend to demean anyone outside of those who are blatantly saying things that are false or reckless, and we all know who those posters are. On the contrary, I think SBD is a really good dude.
I don’t think that ALL he’s done is start with the premise. Maybe that’s true on the recent posts in this thread, but my reply is more to the stance conveyed as a whole throughout multiple discussions.
I’m also not saying what you implied whatsoever. I don’t think he should sit down or shut up and I never remotely implied that. What I am doing is calling out what I perceive to be a pattern and a contradiction.
You have mentioned being a data guy, but you’ve adopted a point and refuse to move off of it by citing exceptions and unlikelihoods rather than the norm to bolster your positions.
I am very much a data person. I believe in vaccines and I believe they work. I believe that science is real.
My soul position is from a point of historical data and we don't have enough data or information to make an informed decision of if we did make the right vaccine. We will find that out years later (in my opinion)
I think/know we rushed the vaccines out and they are not nearly as effective as promised. 90% vs 40% is a huge difference because politicians... not science. How does that happen? People rush to judgement and don't have time for peer reviews etc.
If the vaccine was effective, we would only need one like the majority of the items on this list: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/vaccines-list.html *most vaccines on this list took decades to develop and test with many gruesome/unfortunate/deadly lessons to the test subjects before we have something like the polio vaccine.
We still don't have vaccines for things like HIV, common cold, malaria, hookworm, schistosomiasis, autism, Lou Gehrig's and more.
It seems odd that in a few short months we made a perfect vaccine that has nearly 0 side effects and is safe for 7.6 billion people.
I work with a lot of attorneys and I am very much aware of all of the mass tort cases that happen on a regular basis with these medication manufacturing companies who ask for forgiveness after they make their billions.
So, yes. I am a data person. Historical data and many other examples show that we should not have found a vaccine this quickly.
*Oddly enough, we had another failed attempt at a vaccine for HIV today and we have been working on that for decades.
a premise that we may not really know the effects of ... until years from now...
If you tried to live your life by that premise you wouldn't be able to do anything
We don't really know what drinking coffee every day would do to you in 5 years. Looking at a computer screen may cause all kinds of issues. Trouble with my vision, Alzheimer's ... so I definitely can't use my computer...
a premise that we may not really know the effects of ... until years from now...
If you tried to live your life by that premise you wouldn't be able to do anything
We don't really know what drinking coffee every day would do to you in 5 years. Looking at a computer screen may cause all kinds of issues. Trouble with my vision, Alzheimer's ... so I definitely can't use my computer...
I understand what you are attempting to say. However, we are now altering our DNA not watching a screen and hurting our eye sight. This could have major effects on civilization for years to come because "political science".
Side note... we have been drinking coffeee for thousands of years. We know what it does.
Most important thing was my misspelling, gave you an opportunity to make a cute text....speaks not a word to a morning talk host on RADIO with the story of a lifetime....AI implanted, like I stated....really....way out there. Peace.
How about this: None of the FDA approved vaccines alter our DNA.
As an aside, historically DNA vaccines have worked very well in amimals but have performwd miserably in humans. Ibwould be moderately suprised if it turns out that the DNA vaccine against covid works well. I would be extremely surpif it ever got FDA approval (personal opinion)
How about this: None of the FDA approved vaccines alter our DNA.
As an aside, historically DNA vaccines have worked very well in amimals but have performwd miserably in humans. Ibwould be moderately suprised if it turns out that the DNA vaccine against covid works well. I would be extremely surpif it ever got FDA approval (personal opinion)
Irony.
I have been talking about history with tons of vaccines that have taken decades to perfect and people get mad.
You use history against me with regards to this one vaccine... totally acceptable. Smh
I don’t see anything in there where that vaccine actually alters your DNA. Perhaps Lyuok could weigh in there.
When you talk about vaccines for things like Lou Gehrig’s disease and whatnot, you’re not talking about a transmissible virus, which essentially is what a vaccine revolves around.
When you talk about HIV, you are talking about a virus that actually attacks the immune system itself, so triggering an immune response to something that attacks the immune system is a whole different ballgame.
The conversation has become so tangential.
The fact of the matter is the vaccine is effective, and I keep having to rehash this often with posts that are not responded to. The data right now shows that - on one hand - we have a much higher death and hospitalization rate among the unvaccinated and - on the other hand - we have a viral strain that is enabled to mutate and become more dangerous moving through swaths of unvaccinated populations.
yo im fully vaccinated. how come i haven't turned into a big ass magnet like these crazy nut bags claimed i would? where's my superpowers!!! i should be able to command the space lasers by now!!
idk bro, I'm fully vaccinated and just noticed my horns are curving inward and I can't taste the babies I eat anymore... MUST be the vaccine robots poisoning me. smh
Aug. 25, 2021 -- Vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19 infection dropped from about 91% to 66% once the Delta variant became the dominant strain in the U.S., according to a new study published Tuesday by the CDC.
so, we basically now are down to a 50/50 shot and that is why they are pushing the booster.
I think they're pushing the booster because Delta was largely allowed to happen and spread because of unvaccinated populations (overseas and here). The understanding is that the longer the virus can 'hang around', the better chance it has to change and adapt in effective ways. The best way to keep it from hanging around is vaccination.
If someone told you you had a 66% chance of winning the lottery you’d stand in line all night. I’ll take my 66% chance over your refusal to buy the ticket.
Well let's be honest for a minute. All he's done is start with a premise that we may not really know the effects of the vaccines until years from now... For that he's been yelled at, called names, told to shut up and his point of view has been belittled by anyone who has responded.
Then let's be honest. Over 1100 Americans a day are dying because of the type of stupidity he has been posting. So do you think maybe people are angry about that? Yet it seems some wish to further the high death rate of Americans.
Let me be honest with you about another thing. He was PROVEN TO BE WRONG about that. If there have been any serious side effects from "viral vaccines" they have shown themselves right away. Had you have bothered following the thread you would have known that. Even the example he attempted to provide didn't fit his narrative.
Quote:
So... by saying "refusing to move off" and "the norm", what you really mean is he should "sit down and shut up"... just like anybody that has any point of view that doesn't fit the general consensus here in Covidland.
That's a much different way of saying we're tired of sitting by and watching people die from all of this stupidity being spread.
Quote:
And just to be clear -- I'm not picking on you, you have a reasonable point of view... responding to your post just happens to be the best way to contrast the general reaction to what is actually being argued.
Trying to play devils advocate while someone is promoting ideas that are causing the vast majority of Covid deaths is not attractive.
I was responding to a conversation from multiple posters and multiple sub-quotes. I didn't psycho-analyse the entire thread; and short of the four or five people that yell and scream in here everyday, I barely associated a username to previous conversations... maybe to a fault.
Personally, I don't really care if playing any point of view is not attractive. Everybody has opinions and everybody has a right to post 'em.
Lastly, anybody "dying" because of crap they read on a message board probably had a pretty short shelf-life anyway.
If it were "just posted on a message board" that would be fine. But that's not how any of this has worked.
You see, everyone certainly has a right to their opinion. That's not the point here at all. Everyone has an opinion, but there's only one set of facts. Trying to create a situation where your opinion is posed an alternative set of facts is where the line should be drawn.
So you feel you have rights that allow you to risk the health, safety and even possibly life of people around you? If so, can you tell me at what point you think exercising your rights should be allowed to interfere with the rights of others?
You get cancer and you don't want chemo? Fine, you can't spread your cancer to others. You don't want to wear a seat belt? Fine, you aren't taking a bigger risk of killing anyone other than yourself. Covid isn't the same thing. When "your freedom" interferes with the freedom, health and safety of everyone around you, it seems the only thing you really give a damn about is what you want and to hell with everyone else.
That's not how freedom works.
You or anyone else does not have the right to tell me or anyone else what to put inside my body and what not to put inside my body. That decision is mine and mine alone to make. If someone wants to get vaccinated good for them they did what they wanted to do. If they choose to not vaccinate good for them they did what was best for them. It is that simple.
Just because you "believe" something is best for you doesn't mean it is. Your rights don't give you any right to risk the health of those around you. None.
Now if you have cancer and don't want to get chemo, that's your choice. Because you can't "spread your cancer" to anyone else. If you want to be stupid in that case the only one who pays the price is you.
Soon there will be very few places you will be able to work, go to college or shop. More and more such places have the choice to deny the unvaccinated services too. And they are and as time passes more and more are doing so.
No, you don't have the right to make a choice for those who are immune compromised and children too young to get vaccinated.
When the hell did anyone teach you that you have the right to threaten the health and well being of those around you?
I actually think those that have children old enough to be vaccinated and wear a mask in public who refuse to do so should be charged with child endangerment. If you don't give a damn enough to protect your own child someone needs to step in and do it for you.
So, let me ask this, to add another wrinkle. If someone refuses to get vaccinated, and refuses to follow proper masking and distancing protocols, should they be held liable if they contract COVID and transmit it to another person who is thereafter hospitalized?
I take issue with your premise that someone choosing not to get vaccinated "was best for them," but that aside, if you argue that nobody else has the right to tell you what to put inside your body, what happens if you intentionally, recklessly, or negligently put something (the virus) into someone else's body?
It's not a simplified argument. People who are vaccination advocates can make the same argument that they are protecting their rights from other people.
So you feel you have rights that allow you to risk the health, safety and even possibly life of people around you? If so, can you tell me at what point you think exercising your rights should be allowed to interfere with the rights of others?
You get cancer and you don't want chemo? Fine, you can't spread your cancer to others. You don't want to wear a seat belt? Fine, you aren't taking a bigger risk of killing anyone other than yourself. Covid isn't the same thing. When "your freedom" interferes with the freedom, health and safety of everyone around you, it seems the only thing you really give a damn about is what you want and to hell with everyone else.
That's not how freedom works.
You or anyone else does not have the right to tell me or anyone else what to put inside my body and what not to put inside my body. That decision is mine and mine alone to make. If someone wants to get vaccinated good for them they did what they wanted to do. If they choose to not vaccinate good for them they did what was best for them. It is that simple.
Then you cons shouldn’t be telling women what to do with their bodies. pfft … you cons crack me up. Must be the lead paint chips they ingested as toddlers.
It is not a criminal offense to not get vaccinated. Never will be. This is a free country. It has not turned Commie yet. No matter how much you would like it to.
So, let me ask this, to add another wrinkle. If someone refuses to get vaccinated, and refuses to follow proper masking and distancing protocols, should they be held liable if they contract COVID and transmit it to another person who is thereafter hospitalized?
My thought is, no. First, vaccinated or unvaccinated, you can get the virus. You can be asymptomatic as well. How would you prove intent?
Masked or not, you can get the virus.
(please, people: I am vaccinated and I wore and wear a mask where needed, ok?)
Do we hold people that have the flu, and spread it, liable? Or pinkeye? If they don't know they have 'whatever', how can they be held liable for spreading it?
Even with AIDS - only people, to my knowledge, that knew they had it could be held liable.
I now know of 3 people I am very familiar with that have been vaccinated, wore masks, and were re-infected: My son in law, his father, and my bro in laws mother (just taken to the e.r. this morning - transferred to St. Lukes in Toledo/Maumee. Now, she had copd prior, and last I heard she wasn't doing well - kidney's shutting down also. She's around 80, and had underlying health conditions, I know. I'm not making any statement here, just relaying info.)
Like I said, I got the vaccine. If it is suggested to get a booster, I will. I wear a mask where and when warranted.
I just don't see how you can sue or hold someone responsible for transmitting it if they weren't vaccinated - simply because even vaccinated people can get it.
My body, my right, right? That's what we're told with abortion, correct?
I feel people that don't get vaccinated are fools, but hey.
So you feel you have rights that allow you to risk the health, safety and even possibly life of people around you? If so, can you tell me at what point you think exercising your rights should be allowed to interfere with the rights of others?
You get cancer and you don't want chemo? Fine, you can't spread your cancer to others. You don't want to wear a seat belt? Fine, you aren't taking a bigger risk of killing anyone other than yourself. Covid isn't the same thing. When "your freedom" interferes with the freedom, health and safety of everyone around you, it seems the only thing you really give a damn about is what you want and to hell with everyone else.
That's not how freedom works.
You or anyone else does not have the right to tell me or anyone else what to put inside my body and what not to put inside my body. That decision is mine and mine alone to make. If someone wants to get vaccinated good for them they did what they wanted to do. If they choose to not vaccinate good for them they did what was best for them. It is that simple.
Well then nobody should be able to tell me I can't smoke in a crowded indoor place. Enjoy my 2nd hand smoke
So you feel you have rights that allow you to risk the health, safety and even possibly life of people around you? If so, can you tell me at what point you think exercising your rights should be allowed to interfere with the rights of others?
You get cancer and you don't want chemo? Fine, you can't spread your cancer to others. You don't want to wear a seat belt? Fine, you aren't taking a bigger risk of killing anyone other than yourself. Covid isn't the same thing. When "your freedom" interferes with the freedom, health and safety of everyone around you, it seems the only thing you really give a damn about is what you want and to hell with everyone else.
That's not how freedom works.
You or anyone else does not have the right to tell me or anyone else what to put inside my body and what not to put inside my body. That decision is mine and mine alone to make. If someone wants to get vaccinated good for them they did what they wanted to do. If they choose to not vaccinate good for them they did what was best for them. It is that simple.
Actually the Supreme Court has ruled that vaccine mandates are constitutional. I believe it was in the 1930's. I don't seem to recall the constitution being amended in this regard.
It is not a criminal offense to not get vaccinated. Never will be. This is a free country. It has not turned Commie yet. No matter how much you would like it to.
As I, and others, said from the very beginning when the left said "Nobody is ever going to force you to take the vaccine".. I agreed, but they would make it almost impossible to function as a member of society without it.... and here we are.
I think one thing to distinguish COVID from the flu, is that you actually have guidance, protocols and mandates in place. So, hypothetically, for instance, if you are on an airplane and are required to wear a mask but you take it off when nobody is looking and you get the people sitting around you sick. Or, if you are a nurse in a hospital that mandates vaccines and/or social distancing, and somehow skirt getting the vaccine, and then you get a patient sick with COVID.
Something more intentional would be like when Peters spit at Jarvis Landry. Say something like that happened and then the other person came down with COVID.
There are probably a host of hypotheticals that are better than the ones I'm naming off the top of my head, but the point is with COVID, you have actual mandates and protocols in place, which add more of a layer of responsibility than we have seen previously with things like the flu, SARS, etc.
So you feel you have rights that allow you to risk the health, safety and even possibly life of people around you? If so, can you tell me at what point you think exercising your rights should be allowed to interfere with the rights of others?
You get cancer and you don't want chemo? Fine, you can't spread your cancer to others. You don't want to wear a seat belt? Fine, you aren't taking a bigger risk of killing anyone other than yourself. Covid isn't the same thing. When "your freedom" interferes with the freedom, health and safety of everyone around you, it seems the only thing you really give a damn about is what you want and to hell with everyone else.
That's not how freedom works.
You or anyone else does not have the right to tell me or anyone else what to put inside my body and what not to put inside my body. That decision is mine and mine alone to make. If someone wants to get vaccinated good for them they did what they wanted to do. If they choose to not vaccinate good for them they did what was best for them. It is that simple.
Did you ever attend a school? If you did, you were vaccinated. It is that simple.
Media Doesn’t Hide Their Disappointment That Joe Rogan Survived Covid-19 by Taking Ivermectin By J.D. Rucker • Sep. 1, 2021
Judging by the plethora of reactions from leftist and mainstream media, they are utterly appalled that podcaster Joe Rogan survived Covid-19. They aren’t upset that he didn’t die, per se. They are upset that he used treatments recommended by thousands of doctors but panned by the vaccine-pushers in government and Big Pharma: Ivermectin.
He didn’t struggle through the disease for weeks. He didn’t sit on his death bed urging people to not listen to his complaints about vaccine mandates (he’s vaccinated, by the way). Instead, he “threw the kitchen sink” at the disease and recovered after three days with one “hard” day in the middle.
“I really only had one bad day, Sunday sucked, but Monday was better, Tuesday felt better than Monday, and today I actually feel good,” he said. “I feel pretty f**king good.”
Ivermectin, an anti-parasite drug that is widely prescribed (though not widely enough) by doctors who understand its efficacy in treating Covid-19, is the #1 target of Big Pharma and their puppets at the CDC, mainstream media, Big Tech, and academia.
Many of mainstream media’s stories didn’t even mention that he recovered, let alone how. They saw the video and decided their headline would be something like CNN’s “Joe Rogan says he tested positive for Covid-19.” In the video, Anderson Cooper stresses that Ivermectin is for horses and the CDC opposes its use. He then brought on Brian “Tater” Stelter and disgraced former Planned Parenthood Director Leana Wen. They, of course, panned Ivermectin.
Business Insider didn’t hold back their punches, using the opportunity to highlight one of the uses for Ivermectin. Their headline reads, “Joe Rogan says he has COVID-19 and is taking ivermectin, a horse dewormer that the CDC is warning people not to take.”
Cristina Laila at The Gateway Pundit found more examples of the media’s unhinged reactions:
“Rogan did not reveal if he’s been vaccinated against the coronavirus but said he’s been taking a number of medications, mentioning a Z-Pak, prednisolone and ivermectin, which is given to livestock and not recommended for the treatment of COVID-19.” The Hill reported.
“Joe Rogan announced that he has tested positive for the coronavirus. He said he took a series of medications, including ivermectin, but did not make any mention of the vaccine.” Axios whined.
“Joe Rogan, a podcasting giant who has been dismissive of vaccination has Covid” – The New York Times rage reported.
“Joe Rogan says he has Covid, took widely discredited horse drug ivermectin. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration last month urged people to stop believing misinformation that the livestock treatment would help cure Covid-19.” ABC News reported.
Judging by reporting, mainstream media personalities wish Rogan had died from Covid after taking Ivermectin, reinforcing their false narrative that it’s ineffective and dangerous. He recovered quickly and the media is big mad about it.
If Trumpians want to put horse wormer down their gullets they can have at it for all I care. Bullets cure covid too. A bullet to the head, no more covid, simple as that... Probably as safe as Trumps bleach injections or the cockamamie "alternative" meds the right keeps trying to push.
Seeing all the propaganda you post from sites I would never have found without somebody like you or fish posting them... Well I'm convinced that Trumpian GOPers are all just bat crap crazy OR would rather die than admit to being wrong.
Here's what it says, and someone correct me if I'm reading wrong
The dramatic difference is due to a small change in the fine print. Until three weeks ago, data collected by DOH and published on the CDC website counted deaths by the date they were recorded — a common method for producing daily stats used by most states. On Aug. 10, Florida switched its methodology and, along with just a handful of other states, began to tally new deaths by the date the person died.
If you chart deaths by Florida’s new method, based on date of death, it will generally appear — even during a spike like the present — that deaths are on a recent downslope. That’s because it takes time for deaths to be evaluated and death certificates processed. When those deaths finally are tallied, they are assigned to the actual date of death — creating a spike where there once existed a downslope and moving the downslope forward in time. -------------------------
Sounds like the numbers will be the same, just show up in the timeline at a different time. And honestly, I'd rather have them verify the death was covid related before reporting it.
Now what they declare "covid related" might be an issue. And as long as this "processing" doesn't take months, I don't see a real issue with it, I mean date of death is the one static point that would remain no matter what the process is, and the previous method allowed for large numbers to be held back and reported in groups, creating artificial spikes/downtrends.
Look at the worldometer graphs. It explains why cases have deaths have fallen even afte cases rose to about 20k per day.
This is the second go around for Desantis. He got into a fight with one of the statisticians in the health department and fired her. Then arrested her.
I never understood the ridiculous angle anti-vaxxers are taking when they say Big Pharma are pushing vaccines as their money-maker, then turning around and arguing for a drug therapy.
Which leads me to this. Ivermectin is made my Merck. Is Merck 'Big Pharma'? How does that make you feel about Ivermectin? How does Merck feel about Ivermectin?
That's Merck, the maker of Ivermectin, NOT endorsing using Ivermectin to treat COVID. It specifically cites lack of efficacy data overall, and a concerning lack of safety data in the studies that are out there.
Again, that's coming from the maker of the anti-parasite medicine people are pushing to treat a virus.
It is not a criminal offense to not get vaccinated. Never will be. This is a free country. It has not turned Commie yet. No matter how much you would like it to.
As I, and others, said from the very beginning when the left said "Nobody is ever going to force you to take the vaccine".. I agreed, but they would make it almost impossible to function as a member of society without it.... and here we are.
That would you be trying to say that anyone who owns a business that is trying to protect their employees or customers from the invaccinated "must be liberal". That CEO's of airlines who demand you wear a mask "must be liberal. That's just a lie. Common sense isn't always determined by your politics.
This would all be so hilarious if it wasn't so damn sad. Never in a million years would I have thought that republicans would become the party of dumbasses. But then the tea party came along... the rest is history. Now it seems that's all that party is.
Look at the worldometer graphs. It explains why cases have deaths have fallen even afte cases rose to about 20k per day.
This is the second go around for Desantis. He got into a fight with one of the statisticians in the health department and fired her. Then arrested her.
That's why I stated that I might be mis-reading it, but according to the article, I interpret it to say what changed was instead of recording 100 deaths on thursday that took place between monday and wednesday, they are now recording them as 28 died on monday, 32 on tuesday, 20 died on wednesday and 20 died on thursday, by the date they died, not by the date they decided to write it down. so it seems the numbers aren't really changing, just the day they appear on the graph.
So IMO, you would see a more realistic steady 20-30 graph instead of a sudden spike to 100 on thursday.
Again, I may just be misinterpreting what the article is saying.
What they are doing is waiting for the for the death certificate to be processed, and then adjusting the prior date total.
So the current date number will be low, and then as time goes on, prior dates numbers increase to reflect the death.
So the graphs will look really good for today, because death certificates have not been issued. But a couple weeks later, the numbers will increase to the real amount.
Yep. Nobody is screen-shotting a graph from week to week, they're just looking at a constant downward slope and thinking "well the numbers have been going down for a while now- must be under control".
If Trumpians want to put horse wormer down their gullets they can have at it for all I care. Bullets cure covid too. A bullet to the head, no more covid, simple as that... Probably as safe as Trumps bleach injections or the cockamamie "alternative" meds the right keeps trying to push.
You are very misinformed. You must watch the news a lot.
If Trumpians want to put horse wormer down their gullets they can have at it for all I care. Bullets cure covid too. A bullet to the head, no more covid, simple as that... Probably as safe as Trumps bleach injections or the cockamamie "alternative" meds the right keeps trying to push.
You are very misinformed. You must watch the news a lot.
Tell me what misinformation I am spreading, I'll wait.
It is not a criminal offense to not get vaccinated. Never will be. This is a free country. It has not turned Commie yet. No matter how much you would like it to.
As I, and others, said from the very beginning when the left said "Nobody is ever going to force you to take the vaccine".. I agreed, but they would make it almost impossible to function as a member of society without it.... and here we are.
Now we will have to carry "papers" to go to the store.
We're nowhere near that point yet, but HOPEFULLY soon. I don't see why we should reward ignorance and selfishness. And I don't say that to make you or DC angry, I say it because that's how I see it. If this were never made political, we wouldn't be here.
When you started school, when anyone starts school, you have to show proof of vaccination. Several jobs require it too. How is this any different. It would have been better if they were made mandatory from the jump, but a passport works too. And it creates job opportunities for republicans... some will create fake papers, some will get jobs that the unvaxxed lose.
I never understood the ridiculous angle anti-vaxxers are taking when they say Big Pharma are pushing vaccines as their money-maker, then turning around and arguing for a drug therapy.
Which leads me to this. Ivermectin is made my Merck. Is Merck 'Big Pharma'? How does that make you feel about Ivermectin? How does Merck feel about Ivermectin?
That's Merck, the maker of Ivermectin, NOT endorsing using Ivermectin to treat COVID. It specifically cites lack of efficacy data overall, and a concerning lack of safety data in the studies that are out there.
Again, that's coming from the maker of the anti-parasite medicine people are pushing to treat a virus.
Ivermectin is a generic and it really would compete in this application to other medicines being used for treatment. It is not a vaccine alternative.
Ivermectin competes with patent protected novel drugs that companies like Merck are interested in selling. The number one treatment drug, Remdesivir, costs over $3000 per pill and they are selling Billions of it per quarter.
Our medical system has a real problem when it comes to approving devices and drugs that are generic. There is no money to be made in generics, so nobody funds the research and clinical trials Check this out, 1484 clinical studies completed related to Covid-19 https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?c...mp;Search=Apply But only 31 studies completed with NIH or other Federal Funding: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?c...mp;Search=Apply Even then, almost all of the government studies were still performed on proprietary, patented drugs.
I don't disagree with you, but that's kinda irrelevant to the conversation about COVID today, IMO. We have a pandemic that's (re)spreading right now, so trying to tackle long-standing issues with our healthcare system (while necessary and worthwhile) probably won't help us with the issue that's in front of us.
As for the rest of your post, I think we're actually on the same page, for the most part. Ivermectin is not a generic for Remdesivir, though. One's an anti-parasitic, the other is an anti-viral. To your point, neither of those are an alternative to a vaccine... but that was also one of the points I was trying to make as well.
I don't disagree with you, but that's kinda irrelevant to the conversation about COVID today, IMO. We have a pandemic that's (re)spreading right now, so trying to tackle long-standing issues with our healthcare system (while necessary and worthwhile) probably won't help us with the issue that's in front of us.
As for the rest of your post, I think we're actually on the same page, for the most part. Ivermectin is not a generic for Remdesivir, though. One's an anti-parasitic, the other is an anti-viral. To your point, neither of those are an alternative to a vaccine... but that was also one of the points I was trying to make as well.
You misunderstood me. Ivermectin is a generic for the brand name Stromectol. Since it is not patent protected, it can be made by any pharma and is therefore extremely cheap. Merck makes almost nothing off of Stromectol, but they have several new anti-virals for COVID in the pipeline that they are hoping to get approved and actually just sold the government $1.2 Billion worth of the drug Molnupiravir (over $700 per treatment) for treatment of COVID (and since the government bought it, most of it will go to waste).
I think it is relevant because the Government organizations that are supposed to be working together to get us through this (FDA, CDC, NIH, NIAID, BARDA,), and who have been appropriated enormous sums of funding to identify, test, and approve treatments. When asked, the heads of the CDC, NIH, and NIAID will put out information saying people shouldn't use a drug because it has not been FDA approved, but if you ask the FDA why it hasn't been approved, they will say it is because it has not been clinically tested. Well, the CDC, NIH, NIAID, and BARDA all have funding appropriated for this purpose and they have spent all of their resources on giving their money away to the Pharma industry that they are captive to.
I am not going to argue about the quality of the evidence and clinical trials that support the use of Ivermectin for treatment of COVID. That should be reviewed by physicians and if safe and effective and a net benefit, then they should prescribe it to their patients.
I cannot understand what is broken in peoples minds that we now have people rooting for and against certain medications. I think society has become mentally ill. Why in the hell would we not want physicians to have another tool in their toolbag? Why the hell are people doing victory laps and celebrating negligence and incompetence in our government organizations when they fail to get drugs tested and approved? Because they heard someone that is political opposition speak about it favorably? That's nuts.
Why play these word games? Calling a drug and anti-viral or anti-parasitic, or calling it and animal drug? When people do that, they are doing it to spread FUD. Drugs can have multiple uses. Ivermectin has been known for a long time to have many uses, including as an anti-viral. Additionally, almost all veterinary drugs were developed for humans and repurposed for animals. This includes Ivermectin.
Since drugs like Remdesivir are only approved once a person is hospitalized, then it seems to me that a cheap drug that could be prescribed at the early stages of illness would save many lives if it could prevent hospitalizations in the first place. That would be a great win for everyone except Big Pharma.
So you really didn't provide anything that concludes that it helps fight against Covid. Every medication my doctor prescribes me is a generic except one. You're still reaching. Even the company who makes the non generic form tells you it isn't for Covid yet you keep reaching.
Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic
No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies; No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and; A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.
Yet you seem to think you know more than the very people who stand to gain the most from it? Come on man, quit convincing yourself of the outlandish. Furthering things like this that can only mislead others is why we're where we are now.
I see the point you are trying to make. Just one question, where did you get your medical degree? And wikipedia/google/Fox News comment section/4chan don't count.
If Trumpians want to put horse wormer down their gullets they can have at it for all I care. Bullets cure covid too. A bullet to the head, no more covid, simple as that... Probably as safe as Trumps bleach injections or the cockamamie "alternative" meds the right keeps trying to push.
You are very misinformed. You must watch the news a lot.
Tell me what misinformation I am spreading, I'll wait.
Let's start with the fact that Ivermectin is approved for use in humans.. it is not just a "horse wormer".. and some have actually done some clinical trials to see if Ivermectin was effective against Covid.. as far as I know those trials have been inconclusive.. now anybody who took it without consulting a physician or took a horse size dosage is just an idiot..
Then let's move on to the fact that Trump never said anybody should inject themselves with bleach...
And your suggestion that people should just shoot themselves in the head is pathetic and disgusting.
Then let's move on to the fact that Trump never said anybody should inject themselves with bleach...
No, he just made himself look like an idiot by suggesting to a top health expert that we should look into that. Then when it was made plain to him it made him look like an idiot he claimed it was a joke.
Yeah, that's what he was doing, joking in a press conference about a pandemic.
I see the point you are trying to make. Just one question, where did you get your medical degree? And wikipedia/google/Fox News comment section/4chan don't count.
I don't have a medical degree. I am not providing medical advice.
I will repeat myself: I am not going to argue about the quality of the evidence and clinical trials that support the use of Ivermectin for treatment of COVID. That should be reviewed by physicians and if safe and effective and a net benefit, then they should prescribe it to their patients.
Do you have an issue with Physicians treating their patients with Ivermectin? If so, based off of what?
So when even the manufacturer of the drug itself says it has shown no benefits in terms of Covid you should ask someone else?
The general point is that before you take any medication, you should ask your doctor. Since people may not be aware of what the manufacturer said or what trials have been run or all of that.... start with your doctor.
So you really didn't provide anything that concludes that it helps fight against Covid. Every medication my doctor prescribes me is a generic except one. You're still reaching. Even the company who makes the non generic form tells you it isn't for Covid yet you keep reaching.
Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic
No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies; No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and; A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.
Yet you seem to think you know more than the very people who stand to gain the most from it? Come on man, quit convincing yourself of the outlandish. Furthering things like this that can only mislead others is why we're where we are now.
I don't think you should come to me for information on Ivermectin. I am not trying to convince you or any one else to use it. That's my point. Go to your physician. I recommend that you take their advice.
Again, I am not going to argue about the quality of the evidence and clinical trials that support the use of Ivermectin for treatment of COVID. That should be reviewed by physicians and if safe and effective and a net benefit, then they should prescribe it to their patients.
If you want some data to look through on your own. It's easy to find with a search engine. Feel free to look through it. Appears to have 63 studies. I am sure they vary in quality and I don't vouch for the quality of the data. https://ivmmeta.com/
Can you provide clinical trial data for any other drugs used to fight covid? How about Remdesivir? Monoclonal Antibodies? BioNtech? My guess is that the data from those clinical trials are not publicly available.
Merck's stake in Ivermectin is minor. They would not make significant money from it's sale. It is a generic drug made by many manufacturers.
I don't think you should come to me for information on Ivermectin. I am not trying to convince you or any one else to use it. That's my point. Go to your physician. I recommend that you take their advice.
There is no way in hell I would go to one physicain for advice. I will give you a real life example.My family DR years ago who I really liked at the time is certifiably nuts. He insists to people now that he can cure cancer, neuropathy, aids, diabities, and 20 other health problems with diet alone. He is crazier than most patients in a nut house.
So much evidence in "clinical trials" it was approved for emergency use by the FDA back in October. It seems you're making a lot of false assumptions here.
My issue is with the misinformation around covid that is keeping people from getting the vaccine. I don't care anything about Ivermectin, one way or the other. When the CDC and AMA both say not to use it for covid, then I must go with that. Good luck to anyone taking these crackpot "alternatives" in lue of vaccination, they are going to need it and there is plenty of PROOF of that.
So much evidence in "clinical trials" it was approved for emergency use by the FDA back in October. It seems you're making a lot of false assumptions here.
I posted information because you insisted that I should provide some information that supports its use against COVID. As I said, I am not proposing that anybody use Ivermectin, and I am not, as you say "promoting it". I am not even saying that those are good studies. You asked for information, so I Googled it for you. If you feel those studies are "very limited" that's fine with me.
You got me on the Remdesivir though. I expected that type of clinical data was proprietary.
I don't think you should come to me for information on Ivermectin. I am not trying to convince you or any one else to use it. That's my point. Go to your physician. I recommend that you take their advice.
There is no way in hell I would go to one physicain for advice. I will give you a real life example.My family DR years ago who I really liked at the time is certifiably nuts. He insists to people now that he can cure cancer, neuropathy, aids, diabities, and 20 other health problems with diet alone. He is crazier than most patients in a nut house.
Now he must have been the odd man out in the 4 of 5 doctors recommend…
I have no idea what qualifies most from making statements regarding the Heath studies. It is pure silliness and why we are in this mess in he first place.
So, all of the money, time, and effort, from the top medical professionals and scientists. Backed by a massive effort of governments worldwide to produce a safe and effective vaccine and it is accomplished.
And people refuse it or take drugs with little or no evidence that it really works instead?
It is an airborne virus. If you are vaccinated. You most likely are safe. Although it is a small percentage that can be infected.
Yep. Exactly.
Quote:
Personally other than family and a few friends
10 feet away and wearing a mask though, right? At all times?
Quote:
Closed environments means like a bus, a airplane.
No, it doesn't. It should mean everywhere if you are serious about it. And especially if you are waving your proverbial Dikembe Mutombo finger at someone else. The virus doesn't take exception to home, work, your car, the grocery store, etc. Why should you?
Quote:
Grocery store, Home Depot don't count they big places with high ceilings and open space.
Wear mask if you are indoors in closed environments.
Stay away from people recommend 10'.
Continued from Bonefish....
"Hey guys, I'm super-serious about this....I'm virtue signaling and you need to adhere to the above or I'm going to call you out. I live by these VERY strict standards daily unless...
I'm at home I'm with family I'm with friends I'm not on an airplane I'm not on a bus I'm at the grocery store I'm at Home Depot or, I'm at a store with a high ceilings I'm at a stranger's house but they have high ceilings so it is ok I'm at a restaurant....how else I am gonna eat when I'm not locking myself in at home w/ family, friends, and my high ceilings?!"
You are trying desperately. I am not calling anyone out.
Right...
Quote:
You continue to prove yourself as a person with questionable brain capacity.
Quote:
It must be rough to stand up with that load on your brain.
Quote:
You would not know the truth if it was tatooed to your forehead.
mmmmm dewormer try some
---------
Quote:
Get vaccinated or don't. Ware a mask in the shower or don't. Swallow the snot of others or not.
I don't ware the mask now but I did ware the vaccination a few months ago.
Quote:
If you believe that trying to call me out is in your best interest. Have at it.
When people make declarative statements and virtue signal that others should be wearing masks in enclosed environments and then say Home Depot and grocery stores "don't count" because they have "high ceilings", it isn't about best interest; It's just easy to do. You shouldn't get to try and tell others here what do to and then make exceptions for yourself in an argument and backtrack.
Wear mask if you are indoors in closed environments.
Stay away from people recommend 10'.
Continued from Bonefish....
"Hey guys, I'm super-serious about this....I'm virtue signaling and you need to adhere to the above or I'm going to call you out. I live by these VERY strict standards daily unless...
I'm at home I'm with family I'm with friends I'm not on an airplane I'm not on a bus I'm at the grocery store I'm at Home Depot or, I'm at a store with a high ceilings I'm at a stranger's house but they have high ceilings so it is ok I'm at a restaurant....how else I am gonna eat when I'm not locking myself in at home w/ family, friends, and my high ceilings?!"
Exactly. I pointed out the same. Polls show 60% of people think people should wear masks in public. Go out in public and 90% of people are walking around in stores unmasked.
Seems like weekly I have a conversation with a person that one minute is talking about how terrible people are for not masking and a few minutes later they are saying 'I hope they don't put a masks requirement in place at the venue for my daughters giant wedding'
You say it's virtue signaling. I think it's societal scale mental illness.
I was vaccinated as soon as I could get it. I wear a mask often.
What I do is not important really. I don't endanger others.
But when others promote misinformation. Like you will die or become sterile if you get vaccinated. And, use sources like alex jones. I will call them out.
memphis is trying to score some kind of points.
He can join up with the others. What he writes, thinks, or does has zero meaning to me.
In fact I normally don't even read what he writes because I have never seen any value added.
In this case he is trying to discredit me.
Again his comments have no value except maybe to him.
So people are far more stupid where you live then? Because a lot of people are wearing masks in public here.
Yes, hardly anyone is wearing masks where I reside- which is a predominately black neighborhood/area on the east side of Cleveland. Stupid? I don't think so.
A couple of articles about what’s happening in the ‘red’ parts of the Pacific NW. I added excerpts from the articles for those that don’t open links to read information.
“ The intensive care rooms at St. Luke’s Boise Medical Center are full, each a blinking jungle of tubes, wires and mechanical breathing machines. The patients nestled inside are a lot alike: All unvaccinated, mostly middle-aged or younger, reliant on life support and locked in a silent struggle against COVID-19.” “ Artfully inked tattoos cover the tanned forearm of a man in his 30s. An expectant mother’s slightly swollen belly is briefly revealed as a nurse adjusts her position. The young woman is five months pregnant and hooked to a breathing machine.
Down the hall, another pregnant woman, just 24 and on a ventilator, is lying prone — on top of her developing fetus — to get more air into her ravaged lungs.
Idaho hit a grim COVID-19 trifecta this week, reaching record numbers of emergency room visits, hospitalizations and ICU patients. Medical experts say the deeply conservative state will likely see 30,000 new infections a week by mid-September.
With a critical shortage of hospital beds and staff and one of the nation’s lowest vaccination rates…”
So I've been pondering a non-forced-vaccination way of dealing with covid. I mean the GOPers that don't want the jab or to wear a mask have a point about rights. Not so much their rights as the rights of those who are compliant with covid guidelines and vaccinated. And then somebody threatened somebody, and I read the words get armed... civil war... smh
So I'm calling on Biden to roll out Jade helm and round up all the GOPers in Typhoid Mary Camps (not concentration camps, just fenced off from the rest of us). Then they can have no abortions, no socialism, and no libtards all they want in their own wonderful little world away from the real world to do as they please. But somehow, I bet even if we offered to let them go without a mask, not get the jab, not believe in science, and have Trump as their leader in their own special little world; they would just cry that they can't go outside the fence. Nothing ever pleases them, nothing.
One day, maybe an ameba that eats stupid brain cells will come along and purge the world of idiots. Until then we have to figure out how to live with each other or kill each other because what we are doing now is going getting us anywhere.
So I'm calling on Biden to roll out Jade helm and round up all the GOPers in Typhoid Mary Camps (not concentration camps, just fenced off from the rest of us). Then they can have no abortions, no socialism, and no libtards all they want in their own wonderful little world away from the real world to do as they please. But somehow, I bet even if we offered to let them go without a mask, not get the jab, not believe in science, and have Trump as their leader in their own special little world; they would just cry that they can't go outside the fence.
Nope. With Biden's Army. We saw your army on January the 6th, you and SB might want to review those clips before you brag how tough you are and how many of you there are... that little rebellion lasted 4 hours. Now they are all going to jail.
And it's hilarious that all I had to do was mention Jade helm and here comes the ridiculous. lmao
So I'm calling on Biden to roll out Jade helm and round up all the GOPers in Typhoid Mary Camps (not concentration camps, just fenced off from the rest of us). Then they can have no abortions, no socialism, and no libtards all they want in their own wonderful little world away from the real world to do as they please. But somehow, I bet even if we offered to let them go without a mask, not get the jab, not believe in science, and have Trump as their leader in their own special little world; they would just cry that they can't go outside the fence.
Yeah, you should do that
With your badass army
Wait, why did you use this map? You do realize that atleast half the red space is just land, and very few people there, right?
This has to be the dumbest counter point ever posted on this board. Y’all really using a election map to try and highlight population density?
Our education system has failed this country. There’s too many uneducated people in this country for us to survive as a nation.
Super(troll)… We proved that wrong in November 81 million to 74 million. There’s more of us than you.
Hey fish… nice map… but this one is more accurate. States aren’t just red or blue. Notice that where there’s actual large populations it’s bluer. Open land in the middle of nowhere Nebraska, or whatnot, doesn’t vote. People do.
Nope, I believe the population is split evenly between 'red and blue voters. I was just making a point (with pictures) that the left-wing braggarts aren't rounding anyone up...
Nope, I believe the population is split evenly between 'red and blue voters. I was just making a point (with pictures) that the left-wing braggarts aren't rounding anyone up...
Dumbest counter-point... you mean to the first poster's "point"...
round up all the GOPers in Typhoid Mary Camps (not concentration camps, just fenced off from the rest of us).
Uhhhh... okay!
And here I thought you were one of the smarter ones that might be able to see when I am trolling the far right for their absurd reactions. As if I would ever actually call for a roundup of Americans of any stripe...
And calling anything I post dumb compared to Fish's posts is also absurd. You guys are a hoot. lol.
thank you for clearing that up. i retract my previous post.
SB is the one that said it. And if it were actually true, DJT would be leading the 4th Reich right now instead of asking the brain damaged to tweet for him.
just clicking... A little something from this week in the Youngstown area- my brother went into the hospital last Friday because he had a severe blockage and they had to do a triple bypass. He made it through fine-but last Tuesday night I went to the ICU at St. Elizabeth main in Youngstown and got there just as they were waking him up and got to hang out a short time with him. As me and my wife were leaving, we were trying to find an exit to go back to our car and one of the hospital staff opened a door for us and we entered through a door into the ER waiting room-and I just stopped for a second and looked around and all my wife could muster was Holy Crap-just get out of here. There were people in every chair, wheelchairs, standing by the entrance. I assume a large number of them were there for covid tests or are sick. We are fully vaxxed and double masked. It was insane how many people were there.
My in-laws took my nephew to New York for a hockey tournament last weekend. When they got back to Ohio, my mother in law was not feeling well. She went to work Monday though, went to hockey practice Tuesday night and was really not feeling well Wednesday so she went to St. Elizabeth in Boardman. Walked in and every single seat at 2:30 in the afternoon was full and people were standing. This place has a very large waiting room. She said she wanted a test and was not feeling well-asked how long the wait will be and they told her at least 6 hours. I have had to take my kids there a couple times and go for bloodwork-it takes longer to go through registration than to be seen in the past. The wait was insane. My mother in law was not waiting so she went to a CVS and they didn't have any test so she went to a med express and she tested negative. She went out again and did a couple things she had to do on Thursday and was again not feeling well at all on Friday so she went back to Boardman ER at 3 on Friday afternoon and there were more people there than Wednesday-All seats full, people standing and she said people got the wheelchairs and were using them because they couldn't stand up. She asked how long the wait was and they said probably 6-8 hours and she did not want to go to med express and by this time she was really feeling it in her chest-so she said she wanted them to check cause she had chest pain and they took here right back and found a little bit of pneumonia and she did test positive for covid and has all the other symptoms.
She is double vaxxed and is doing a little bit better yesterday-but she is in her 70's and has other health issues.
But I am totally amazed as to how many people were in the waiting rooms in the middle of the afternoon
Sadly I’m not shocked at all. The hospitals are all very busy… most beds are filled with the unvaccinated. I hope your mother in law recovers quickly and fully.
Thanks, The ER doc said that they are getting some breakthrough cases, but the vaxxed are handling the treatment well, the unvaxxed not at all.
But also, my wife asked me what my in laws should do about telling people around them-my mother in law went to her side retirement job one day last week, went to a couple stores, went to get her hair done, went to a hockey game and two practices. Most of the kids on the hockey team are 12 and 13 and not vaxxed including my nephew. I told them that they need to tell the hair dresser, work and the hockey team-and the hockey team if they are not vaxxed should take the next 10 days off if they were in close contact. They didn't seem to like my suggestion until my wife talked to my father in law-Last year, the kids had to go in and dress with the parents out in the car and then when the kids went on the ice one of the parents would be able to come in and watch and they had them all separated. Then they let 2 parents come in, then other relatives. Now, at the tournament last weekend the place was swamped with people everywhere, going out after games to eat, the kids hanging in each others rooms and not one single person wearing a mask in any situation. My mother in law told my wife last night that "once we got the vax, we thought that life could go back to 2019".
Some Hospitals around here are going back to not allowing visitors into the Hospital.
We haven't changed our policy... we were getting more relaxed with some of the employee policies (like allowing unmasked if everyone in the room was vaccinated) but we've tightened those back up....
our ER and Urgent Care have been crazy for several weeks now... we also have had the highest census of patients with Covid 19 the last couple of weeks that we've had throughout the pandemic...
Sadly the US has become one of the largest Petri dishes for COVID on the planet. Almost no other country in the world has worse numbers. Murika… still #1!
That's easy to say if you haven't been paying attention. He is in Oregon. Many parts of the country are facing very similar circumstances. Here's a snippet from the article...
"Eighty five percent of people hospitalized for lung failure and other complications of COVID-19 are unvaccinated. Kaiser, Providence and OHSU report about 90% of their COVID-19 patients on life support in the ICU are unvaccinated. Legacy’s numbers were even higher: 97%."
“Please do us this favor and go get vaccinated,” said Levi Cole, an ICU nurse with Portland Providence Medical Center.
Oregon’s hospitals are overwhelmed. Here’s what they’re asking you to do
I have no idea what this "data guy" has been reading or has avoided reading may be a better example in this instance. Every reliable source out there is pointing out how many states are being overrun with covid cases and how many of them are unvaccinated.
These 5 states have less than 10% of ICU beds left as Covid-19 overwhelms hospitals
Sadly I’m not shocked at all. The hospitals are all very busy… most beds are filled with the unvaccinated. ...
That just cannot possibly be true.
Was this supposed to be a joke or are you serious?
It's not a joke. It just cannot possibly be true. It's common sense. There is no way that over 50% of hospital beds are taken by COVID patients. Think of all the reasons that people need to go to the hospital from surgeries, to auto accidents, to child birth. How could COVID possibly make up the majority of cases of people occupying a bed?
A couple of articles about what’s happening in the ‘red’ parts of the Pacific NW. I added excerpts from the articles for those that don’t open links to read information.
“ The intensive care rooms at St. Luke’s Boise Medical Center are full, each a blinking jungle of tubes, wires and mechanical breathing machines. The patients nestled inside are a lot alike: All unvaccinated, mostly middle-aged or younger, reliant on life support and locked in a silent struggle against COVID-19.” “ Artfully inked tattoos cover the tanned forearm of a man in his 30s. An expectant mother’s slightly swollen belly is briefly revealed as a nurse adjusts her position. The young woman is five months pregnant and hooked to a breathing machine.
Down the hall, another pregnant woman, just 24 and on a ventilator, is lying prone — on top of her developing fetus — to get more air into her ravaged lungs.
Idaho hit a grim COVID-19 trifecta this week, reaching record numbers of emergency room visits, hospitalizations and ICU patients. Medical experts say the deeply conservative state will likely see 30,000 new infections a week by mid-September.
With a critical shortage of hospital beds and staff and one of the nation’s lowest vaccination rates…”
Quoted my earlier post for those that may have missed it….
Sadly I’m not shocked at all. The hospitals are all very busy… most beds are filled with the unvaccinated. I hope your mother in law recovers quickly and fully.
Sadly I’m not shocked at all. The hospitals are all very busy… most beds are filled with the unvaccinated. ...
That just cannot possibly be true.
Was this supposed to be a joke or are you serious?
It's not a joke. It just cannot possibly be true. It's common sense. There is no way that over 50% of hospital beds are taken by COVID patients. Think of all the reasons that people need to go to the hospital from surgeries, to auto accidents, to child birth. How could COVID possibly make up the majority of cases of people occupying a bed?
Do you not agree?
You understand that COVID patients don’t go to the hospital and get put on a regular unit. They’re in the hospital because they need ICU level care. Those beds are very limited. Because these unvaccinated idiots are filling the beds there’s no room for those that have car accidents or heart attacks. This is the problem. Most hospitals are now beginning to reclose to any non vital surgeries or procedures. The staff is being pushed to their limits. Personally my patience for the non vaccinated has all but waned. You’re all a scourge on our society.
Wear mask if you are indoors in closed environments.
Stay away from people recommend 10'.
Continued from Bonefish....
"Hey guys, I'm super-serious about this....I'm virtue signaling and you need to adhere to the above or I'm going to call you out. I live by these VERY strict standards daily unless...
I'm at home I'm with family I'm with friends I'm not on an airplane I'm not on a bus I'm at the grocery store I'm at Home Depot or, I'm at a store with a high ceilings I'm at a stranger's house but they have high ceilings so it is ok I'm at a restaurant....how else I am gonna eat when I'm not locking myself in at home w/ family, friends, and my high ceilings?!"
If I were to say that most hospital beds are being used by expectant mothers, and you pointed out that this could not possibly be true. It wouldn't then make sense for me to respond by pointing out that not all beds are in maternity wards and that not all rooms are built for delivering newborns.
Do you understand that hospitals under normal circumstances perform all kinds of surgeries and procedures every day. Some cancer related, some joint replacements, tonsillectomies, etc. Because the ICU beds are full, these hospitals are not doing, or doing far fewer of these. Why? Because they need ICU staff in case something we’re to go wrong in the operating room. So now they don’t do as many of those procedures. Those areas of the hospitals are fairly empty. There will never be COVID patients on those floors. So yes the hospitals aren’t ‘full’. But they aren’t doing for the community what they were designed to do because of COVID. Those people that need ‘non vital’ services are being put on hold. Why? Because the threat of community based spread of COVID. Who is filling those COVID ICU beds? The unvaccinated.
I think there's a miscommunication here. He thinks that your claim was the majority of total hospital beds are taken by unvaccinated patients, whereas the real meaning was that a very high percentage of hospitalized COVID patients were unvaccinated.
I think there's a miscommunication here. He thinks that your claim was the majority of total hospital beds are taken by unvaccinated patients, whereas the real meaning was that a very high percentage of hospitalized COVID patients were unvaccinated.
There's no miscommunication here. He wrote that most hospital beds are taken up by unvaccinated COVID patients. That's not what I THINK. That is precisely what PortlandDawg wrote.
I don't believe that there is any truth to any of it. The vast majority of inpatient hospital beds do not have a COVID patient in them. In fact, I am willing to bet that the majority of ICU beds do not a COVID patient in them, except in maybe a few states.
That said… Did you read my post that contained two articles referring to what’s happening in SW Oregon and Idaho? I have an ER doctor friend in town. He’s busy as ever. The patients his hospital is admitting to the ICU are almost exclusively unvaccinated. His hospital’s ICU has recently been over capacity more than not.
I think there's a miscommunication here. He thinks that your claim was the majority of total hospital beds are taken by unvaccinated patients, whereas the real meaning was that a very high percentage of hospitalized COVID patients were unvaccinated.
There's no miscommunication here. He wrote that most hospital beds are taken up by unvaccinated COVID patients. That's not what I THINK. That is precisely what PortlandDawg wrote.
I don't believe that there is any truth to any of it. The vast majority of inpatient hospital beds do not have a COVID patient in them. In fact, I am willing to bet that the majority of ICU beds do not a COVID patient in them, except in maybe a few states.
How about this? Because of the significant increase of patients with Covid needing a hospital bed (ICU and Acute Care), many hospitals are becoming overwhelmed to the point where many procedures are being delayed because of the lack of beds in the hospital... is that better?
My hospital is in a similar boat as Portland's.... in the last month our in-patient Covid patients continue to rise and we've had to put holds on many surgeries because we don't have the beds to put patients post operatively... we've also had to transfer some trauma patients to other hospitals that we wouldn't normally have to because we didn't have beds.... delaying the care for these trauma patients...
You guys are nuts arguing day after day with people that have their own alternative facts to live by; nothing will ever come of this.
At this point if they don't want to get the vaccine, they are not going to do it unless tragedy hits. All of us being mad because we want them to get vaccinated or at least want to correct the misinformation... they thrive on the frustration resulting from our efforts.
Hope everyone makes it through but if you are refusing the vaccine, then get sick and die, well that's on you and I probably won't feel one way or the other about it. This is pretty much where I am at with all of it. Covid is spiking, getting more contagious, still killing thousands a day and here we are with grown ass adults all across the country acting like their minds have regressed to a slightly post toddler stage.
Rolling Stone Issues 'Update' After Horse Dewormer Hit-Piece Debunked BY TYLER DURDEN
Update (1155ET): Rolling Stone has issued an 'update,' not a correction, or a retraction, by appending the hospital's statement to the top of the article.
After Joe Rogan announced that he'd kicked Covid in just a few days using a cocktail of drugs, including Ivermectin - an anti-parasitic prescribed for humans for over 35 years, with over 4 billion doses administered (and most recently as a Covid-19 treatment), the left quickly started mocking Rogan for having taken a 'horse dewormer' due to its dual use in livestock.
On Friday, Rolling Stone's Peter Wade took another stab - publishing a hit piece claiming that Oklahoma ERs were overflowing with people 'overdosing on horse dewormer.'
It was suspect from the beginning.
The report, sourced to local Oaklahoma outlet KFOR's Katelyn Ogle, cites Oklahoma ER doctor Dr. Jason McElyea - who claimed that people overdosing on ivermectin horse dewormer are causing emergency rooms to be "so backed up that gunshot victims were having hard times getting" access to health facilities.
As people take the drug, McElyea said patients have arrived at hospitals with negative reactions like nausea, vomiting, muscle aches, and cramping — or even loss of sight. “The scariest one that I’ve heard of and seen is people coming in with vision loss,” the doctor said. -Rolling Stone Except, the article provided zero evidence for McElyea's claims, causing people to start asking questions.
And while neither KFOR or Rolling Stone mention the hospital McElyea worked for, NHS Sequoyah, located in Sallisaw, Oklahoma - just issued a statement disavowing McElyea's claims, which pops up when you visit their website.
It reads:
Although Dr. Jason McElyea is not an employee of NHS Sequoyah, he is affiliated with a medical staffing group that provides coverage for our emergency room.
With that said, Dr. McElyea has not worked at our Sallisaw location in over 2 months.
NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin. This includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose.
All patients who have visited our emergency room have received medical attention as appropriate. Our hospital has not had to turn away any patients seeking emergency care.
We want to reassure our community that our staff is working hard to provide quality healthcare to all patients. We appreciate the opportunity to clarify this issue and as always, we value our community’s support.
What about the rest of the state?
According to Scott Schaeffer, managing director of the Oklahoma Center for Poison and Drug Information, "Since the beginning of May, we’ve received reports of 11 people being exposed to ivermectin," he told the NY Daily News (which still pushed the 'ivermectin overdoses' story despite this fact).
Meanwhile, this [censored] story has also been picked up by the far-left Business Insider and The Independent, as well as The Guardian, among other notable outlets.
McElyea is also listed as working at Integris Grove Hospital in Grove, OK as a general family practitioner - not in the ER. A phone call to them provided no insight as to any ivermectin overdoses, however the gentleman who answered the phone sounded quite amused. What's more, Grove, OK - with a population of 7,129, had just 14 aggravated assaults in all of 2019 according to the FBI's latest data. We somehow doubt that 'gunshot victims were lining up outside the ER,' while just 11 ivermectin related hospital cases have been reported in the entire state since the beginning of May.
I think there's a miscommunication here. He thinks that your claim was the majority of total hospital beds are taken by unvaccinated patients, whereas the real meaning was that a very high percentage of hospitalized COVID patients were unvaccinated.
There's no miscommunication here. He wrote that most hospital beds are taken up by unvaccinated COVID patients. That's not what I THINK. That is precisely what PortlandDawg wrote.
I don't believe that there is any truth to any of it. The vast majority of inpatient hospital beds do not have a COVID patient in them. In fact, I am willing to bet that the majority of ICU beds do not a COVID patient in them, except in maybe a few states.
The words you're searching for are 'deliberately obtuse'.
I think people think that hospitals are just a big building with rooms that can hold any type of patient. There are units, wings, that are for specialties. I’m a nurse. I’m not an ICU nurse. I can’t just go work an ICU unit. That’s not how it works. It’s a specialty. There are hundreds of rooms in hospitals that I could work. Med surg units mainly. Only a small fraction of hospital beds can hold COVID patients. The rest of the hospital will never hold those people. The hospitals are now not filling those other beds because the communities they serve are overrun with COVID. They’re not doing their regular business because they’re not going to risk community spread COVID on their med surg units so grandpa can get his knee replaced, or your kid can have his tonsils out. So yes, the hospitals aren’t ‘full’. But they aren’t doing for the community what they normally do. Why? COVID. Who’s filling the VERY LIMITED ICU beds? The unvaccinated.
You can try to get me on technicalities in my explanation but you can’t change these facts. I’m done trying to lay this out for you people. You obviously have no clue how the medical systems work in this country.
iT’s a 200 bEd hOSpiTal. ThEY caN fiT 200 COVID pAtiEnTs iN tHEre! WhY cAn’T grANdMa gET heR hiP RePlaCemEnt sUrgerY DoNe yET?!?!
In fact, I am willing to bet that the majority of ICU beds do not a COVID patient in them, except in maybe a few states.
I will take that bet for any amount you're willing to throw down. Here in NWOH, we have reopened Covid units in specialty areas. I heard from one of our ICU nurses yesterday that over half the pts in their extended ICU are COVID+, and all but one of them have not been vaccinated. They had to reconvert some med surg beds to ICU beds. This is from a frontline colleague where I work, not some skewed numbers from a biased website. We have re-dedicated a unit in my area for only COVID+ patients.
At all of our system hospitals, restrictions will again be implemented starting tomorrow: No visitiation, only 1 entrance to each facility open to the public, only self serve packaged foods in the cafeteria, no visitors, and I'm pretty sure no vendors or non necessary ancillary services. I also don't know if they're going to restrict the elective surgeries or outpatient services as of yet. (I have been off work since Wed and the email came on Thursday. I just found out about it this weekend.) Trust me, this costs the hospital so much money they wouldn't do it unless this situation were real.
Get your head out of the sand. Go find and talk to some ICU nurses and doctors. I'm not sure what's going on in nursing homes in this area, but it's real in the hospitals.
This situation isn't a place to showboat your political stance. With very few exceptions, anybody that doesnt' get vaccinated is a self serving idiot.
Here’s a FB cut and paste from my ER doctor buddy. I edited out/changed certain personal, identifiable words for his anonymity.
——————-
Over the past month or two I’ve treated a quite significant increase in number of Covid cases, as you can likely imagine from the news. I do want to share my personal experience that *every single really sick person I’ve admitted to the hospital during this time has been unvaccinated.* I have not personally admitted a single sick vaccinated individual. I have also not personally seen a single patient this year with a significant vaccine reaction or an illness I could attribute to it.
The one thing different about these recent months is that we are seeing really sick otherwise healthy folks in their 20’s-50’s, and some kids too, not just the 60+ age group with underlying medical conditions like during the first rounds. The really sick guy I admitted yesterday was 28 (PHOTO NOT INSERTED FOR THIS FORUM) (otherwise healthy, chest X-ray with identifiers removed is shown with permission, all the white stuff in the lungs are patches of infection...I’ve seen more X-rays like this in the recent past than I can count!). This is just the personal experience of one ER Doc practicing full time at a busy hospital in a major metropolitan area. I feel all my colleagues have had a similar experience however... This delta variant is really nasty.
There is just so much bickering about all this it is saddening. The vaccine is very clearly saving lives from this horrible virus, it keeps people out of the hospital and away from death. Masks too. Some can try to “research" this 46 ways from Sunday… Keep writing paragraph upon paragraph upon paragraph, post upon vehement daily post, come up with all kinds of angles of ulterior motives, profiteering, global conspiracies, bodily autonomy agendas, perpetuate the divisiveness flowing in all directions, flame the culture wars, etc, etc, etc…. I’ve read them, there is merit in some of those angles, of course. All knowledge seeming innocent and pure becomes a deadly weapon in the hands of avarice and greed.
And still, at the end of the day, **HONEY VIRUS DON’T GIVE A (CRAP)!!!** This virus is no joke, it shows no mercy and it doesn’t care about your reasonings or anyone else’s secondary agendas.
Please stay safe friends and please take good care of yourself and each other! We will get through this together!!
And with the rebuttal are a bunch of anti-vaxxers. Oh wait, they are all dead. Sorry to all these folks, but you didn't make an informed decision, bought the hype and paid everything for it.
Still, read some of social media posts or look them up on FB and see their posts in the last year and a half and then some will have the "oh [censored]" post when they are in the hospital and can't breathe
But why should he listen to you and Portland? Why should he be shown that this is happening in many states when he believes it's "only a few"? Why would he believe that since it's already happening in several states that it won't spread to other states if more people don't get vaccinated? I mean people never travel from state to state for conventions, to go to concerts and sporting event's, right?
I mean it's never spread across the nation when starting in several hot spots before? Oh no, wait, that's exactly what happened before. Data guy my ass.
These 6 States Have Almost No ICU Beds Left As Covid Hospitalizations Soar
TOPLINE As new Covid-19 infections increase nationwide, some communities are facing a looming hospital capacity crunch, with open space in intensive care units falling below 10% in six states. Almost 78% of beds in U.S. hospital intensive care units are in use, and roughly one-third of adult ICU patients (or 22,345) have the coronavirus, according to data from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
Alabama has the nation’s worst capacity crunch, with HHS reporting more ICU patients than total beds — health officials said Alabama ran out of ICU capacity Wednesday and dozens of patients were forced to wait for space, as the state grapples with the country’s eighth-highest Covid-19 infection rate (cases have dropped off slightly in the last week).
In Georgia, 94% of statewide ICU beds are currently in use following a 74% jump in daily coronavirus cases over the last two weeks, and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported some Atlanta hospitals needed to divert ambulances due to capacity issues.
ICU capacity sits at 93.2% in Florida and 93% in Mississippi, which have the nation’s third-highest and highest new Covid-19 infection rates, respectively.
Texas reported ICU usage of 92.7%, and Dallas-area hospitals warned Thursday that if their region runs out of intensive care beds, they may need to consider vaccination status when prioritizing who to treat.
Kentucky is using 90.7% of its ICU beds, and Gov. Andy Beshear said Wednesday every hospital bed in the state may be taken up in the next two weeks.
ICU occupancy is above 80% in 10 other states: Louisiana (89.3%), Missouri (88.9%), Oklahoma (87.9%), Arkansas (87.4%), Nevada (85.4%), North Carolina (84.8%), South Carolina (83.8%), New Mexico (83.6%), Idaho (82.7%) and Maine (80.4%).
Coronavirus infections have spiked across the United States in recent weeks due to the virus’ more contagious delta variant, driving up hospitalizations in much of the country. States with low uptake of Covid-19 vaccines — which reduce the risk of infection and severe illness from Covid-19 — are especially hard-hit. Some 60.2% of Americans are at least partially vaccinated against coronavirus, but out of the six states with the worst ICU capacity issues, only one — Florida — has topped 60%.
I thought the point was to try and address the Covid pandemic in a manner that will help lower deaths and hospitalizations. But then when people try to advocate another quack cure that they can't make a good argument for they'll try a different tactic. No, I get it.
Are Covid Vaccines Part of the Mark of the Beast System? by ETHAN HUFF September 6, 2021 in Conspiracy, End Times, Religion, Truth
Remember when the government promised that it would take just two weeks of tyranny to “flatten the curve,” only to instead have it persist in perpetuity for the rest of the foreseeable future? This writer sure does.
What was supposed to just be a temporary inconvenience to help “save lives” has become a permanent albatross of dehumanization and soon slaughter as the goats of this world line themselves up for injection after injection, with no end in sight.
If you refuse to wear a mask, then you are killing grandma. If you refuse to get “vaccinated,” then you only care about yourself and need to be punished as a second-class citizen. If you do anything to try to live a normal life outside the bounds of government guidelines, then you deserve to be exterminated, is where all of this is headed.
None of this was ever really about saving lives, of course. It is plain to see that those who orchestrated this psychological campaign of mass genocide could not care less about your life or anyone else’s, and are actually seeking to destroy it at “warp speed.”
Only the dullest of minds could ever possibly think otherwise, based on all that is transpiring day after day in this dystopian nightmare called life in 2021. Twenty-twenty was bad enough, and soon the world will have to contend with 2022 and whatever that should bring to the table.
Are covid “vaccines” the first piece of the mark of the beast? The writing is already on the wall for mandatory injection policies as the nation’s more “progressive” areas gradually adopt “vaccine passport” protocols designed to ostracize those who refuse to get the jab.
It begins with non-essentials like restaurants and sporting events – things people can live without, even if life becomes a whole lot less exciting in the process. Eventually, necessities like groceries and employment become condition-based on one’s jab status.
Yet, many seem to recall certain passages from the Bible that foretold about this time. There will come a day, the passages read, when in order to buy and sell, one must take a “mark.” Without that mark, you can kiss your life and freedom goodbye.
We are already witnessing the early stages of this prophecy come to fulfillment. The things people do (the right hand) and think (the forehead) are rapidly becoming conditional upon obeying the government’s orders, in this case with a questionable injection that we know permanently alters one’s DNA, or “God imprint.”
Some would argue that this injection is not yet the mark, but consider the fact that ‘science’ has become the world’s new and only accepted religion, with covid vaccines as its sacrament.
The beast system that is pushing these injections, meanwhile, demands that you give it the utmost worth (worship) to the point that you lay down your life (change your DNA) as a sacrifice to show that you are an adherent.
Whoever refuses to worship this beast system by rolling up their sleeve is quickly becoming an outcast, or someone who has “come out from among her” rather than convert.
While there are certainly more pieces to come as far as this mark is concerned, the injections are laying the groundwork for them. You might even call it an operating system upon which later software “upgrades” will be injected, aka the “booster” shots.
Consider all this before simply discounting the idea because your favorite preacher or news source says otherwise. There are no second chances when it comes to this stuff, so you had better be sure you are not mistaken.
To keep up with the latest news about Chinese Virus injections, check out ChemicalViolence.com.
so I thought this was interesting... my very good friend's child was in ICU earlier this week for 3 days.
The parents said they were blown away that the hospital nursing staff is only at 50%. In turn, the hospital only had 50% of the ICU beds available because they didn't have the nurses to service the other 50% of beds. The hospital is now claiming their beds are like 70% full. When in fact, they are only at 50% because they are short half their nursing staff.
Last updated on April 26th, 2021 at 01:02 pm Daily Kos - Left Bias - Liberal - Progressive - Democrat - Not CredibleFactual Reporting: Mixed - Not always Credible or Reliable
Analysis / Bias
In review, Daily Kos reports news through bloggers, who generally lean strongly left. There is the moderate use of loaded language in headlines such as this: Voting Rights Roundup: Michigan GOP attempts to sabotage redistricting reform by withholding funding. This particular article is properly sourced from credible mainstream media outlets and newspapers. In some articles, there is a very strong use of emotional wording such as this: This is how Republicans get away with their lies: The media lets them do it, again and again.
Most articles are written by community members, with the rest written by staff members. Editorially, there is a very strong left bias with mostly positive articles in favor of left-leaning positions and denigration of conservatives. In general, all information tends to favor the left. Most articles are sourced; however, some of the information written by community members is not vetted by Daily Kos and may contain factual errors or extreme bias. Failed Fact Checks
President Trump posthumously pardoned notorious 1960s criminal Charles Manson. – FALSE U.S. President Donald Trump brandished his middle finger as a gesture of disdain, disrespect, or anger towards an astronaut who publicly corrected him. – FALSE Says video shows Mike Pence quoting the Bible as justification for “Congress not to fund Katrina relief effort.” – PANTS ON FIRE Jeb Bush, Oliver North and the Murder of CIA Drug Smuggler Barry Seal in 1986 – FALSE
Overall, we rate the Daily Kos strongly Left Biased based on story selection that almost exclusively favors the left. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to non-vetted content and a few failed fact check and misleading claims. (5/13/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 12/11/2019)
Ok. I am coming unglued here. The vaccines keep the vast majority of COVID+ people from becoming hospitalized, seriously ill or dying. The disease is once again spreading. There is a demand for ICU and dedicated COVID beds, the vast majority being filled with the unvaccinated. These are FACTS. Get that thru your thick skulls. The only evidence to the contrary is from biased sites or second and third hand information.
Anybody that's familiar with me around here knows that I lean conservative and laugh at most of the liberal agendas found in this forum.
BUT.....This pandemic is real. It's getting worse. I (and others here) work in the field and see it. As I said, with few exceptions, anyone that doesn't get vaccinated is a self serving idiot.
While there may be some truth to your post, most of it is not true. According to my son, an NP, and my daughter, who works at Toledo Hospital.
They had, last I spoke with her, 4 covid cases on her floor. That floor is a "regular" unit. Other floors are similar, at Toledo Hospital.
Bro in laws mother was admitted. Totally vaxxed. She then got sent to ICU, after spending 5 days or so in just the hospital. (not the same hospital my daughter works in)
Son in law, completely vaxxed - just quarantine at home. He's fine, so far.
I am not aware of, around here, any surgeries being postponed/delayed due to covid patients. There is plenty of room for accident victims, heart attack patients, etc. It must be different where you live?
While there may be some truth to your post, most of it is not true. According to my son, an NP, and my daughter, who works at Toledo Hospital.
Your facts always come from your little corner of the world. Honestly, it’s your thing, and it’s annoying. You telling people that something is not true based on what a couple people in your family are seeing and saying is ridiculous.
I travel the country and work at hospitals from Alaska to Key West. I see what is going on across the country and there are many places that are very close to or already seeing people dying who do not need to. Unvaccinated people are putting themselves and others at risk.
There have been a number of people on this thread talking about Ohio hospitals and hospitals across the country and what they are seeing, yet you and others choose to ignore them, based on your politics and personal stories from a couple of people.
Some of you need to peek out of your own little bubble and realize that just because you have not witnessed what is happening, there is a great big world outside of your own. Telling other people what they are actually seeing is not true because you and your little group are seeing something different is showing true ignorance.
To you, and portland: Fine. I'll refrain from posting about what I know, and I'll let the "experts" and cnn tell me what I don't know.
I've never once said it wasn't bad - covid. Perhaps you both haven't read those posts?
I've never once been an anti vaxxer - perhaps you've both missed those posts? Remember, I've had the vaccine, wife has, son has, daughter has, etc.
My "little corner" of the world is not fed ..............eh, forget it. You 2 are the experts and take precedence over any nurses or doctors around here.
I am just reporting the data from Lucas County (Toledo) for the seven days ending on Sept 3, 2021-The percent change is a increase or decline from the previous 7 days. This data is directly from the CDC-Take it for what it is worth.
Total Cases (last 7 days in Lucas Cty) 1037 Percent change +23.7
While there may be some truth to your post, most of it is not true. According to my son, an NP, and my daughter, who works at Toledo Hospital.
Your facts always come from your little corner of the world.
Where should they come from? China's numbers?
Russia's numbers?
How is it a country of 330 million has the highest number of cases in the world?
How is it cnn tells us daily how terrible the situation is, yet I speak facts from Toledo, and Columbus, as well as Philadelphia, and Seattle.
Is it bad? Sure. Someone posted about portland and Idaho. Didn't show any numbers though.
What am I SUPPOSED to say? When the world isn't posting the proper numbers (based on population) or the u.s. posting inflated numbers..............help me out.
These 6 States Have Almost No ICU Beds Left As Covid Hospitalizations Soar
TOPLINE As new Covid-19 infections increase nationwide, some communities are facing a looming hospital capacity crunch, with open space in intensive care units falling below 10% in six states. Almost 78% of beds in U.S. hospital intensive care units are in use, and roughly one-third of adult ICU patients (or 22,345) have the coronavirus, according to data from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
Alabama has the nation’s worst capacity crunch, with HHS reporting more ICU patients than total beds — health officials said Alabama ran out of ICU capacity Wednesday and dozens of patients were forced to wait for space, as the state grapples with the country’s eighth-highest Covid-19 infection rate (cases have dropped off slightly in the last week).
In Georgia, 94% of statewide ICU beds are currently in use following a 74% jump in daily coronavirus cases over the last two weeks, and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported some Atlanta hospitals needed to divert ambulances due to capacity issues.
ICU capacity sits at 93.2% in Florida and 93% in Mississippi, which have the nation’s third-highest and highest new Covid-19 infection rates, respectively.
Texas reported ICU usage of 92.7%, and Dallas-area hospitals warned Thursday that if their region runs out of intensive care beds, they may need to consider vaccination status when prioritizing who to treat.
Kentucky is using 90.7% of its ICU beds, and Gov. Andy Beshear said Wednesday every hospital bed in the state may be taken up in the next two weeks.
ICU occupancy is above 80% in 10 other states: Louisiana (89.3%), Missouri (88.9%), Oklahoma (87.9%), Arkansas (87.4%), Nevada (85.4%), North Carolina (84.8%), South Carolina (83.8%), New Mexico (83.6%), Idaho (82.7%) and Maine (80.4%).
Coronavirus infections have spiked across the United States in recent weeks due to the virus’ more contagious delta variant, driving up hospitalizations in much of the country. States with low uptake of Covid-19 vaccines — which reduce the risk of infection and severe illness from Covid-19 — are especially hard-hit. Some 60.2% of Americans are at least partially vaccinated against coronavirus, but out of the six states with the worst ICU capacity issues, only one — Florida — has topped 60%.
Portland, I just checked your numbers for % hospital bed utilization and % ICU and they are horrible-the worst of the whole pandemic
northlima dawg, why don't you check and see how many unvaccinated illegals are taking up hospital space? Kate Brown is welcoming those people with open arms but I doubt data is being recorded.
This article is from the Texas border, and those unvaccinated illegals are disbursing all over the U.S.
Townhall tipsheet Julio Rosas
Texas Border Town Reveals How Many COVID Positive Illegal Immigrants Were Released By Border Patrol
Julio Rosas
| Posted: Aug 04, 2021
MCALLEN, Texas — The city leaders for the border town of McAllen declared a local state of disaster due to the continuing increase of illegal immigrants crossing into the United States and being released by Border Patrol within the city.
In a statement sent out on Wednesday, the city of McAllen explained the respite center run by Catholic Charities has been overwhelmed by the number of people being handed over by Border Patrol in recent weeks, which meant the immigrants were in danger of having nowhere to go. So the city was forced to create a temporary shelter to house the immigrants:
"This significant change increases the threat of COVID spread or other lawlessness within the city. At the beginning of July, the Respite Center saw an average of 750 people per day. That number, over the course of the month, escalated to over 1,100 people per day, and so far in August has surged to over 1,900 people per day. The Respite Center has capacity for only 1,236 occupants and will not allow more than its maximum occupancy at any given time. Therefore, beginning in August 2021, there has been a significant threat of leaving hundreds on the streets of McAllen with no place to turn for food, shelter, medical attention, or other humanitarian services. It was at this point that McAllen Mayor Javier Villalobos saw no option other than to declare a Local State of Disaster in McAllen so the City of McAllen could obtain necessary county and state resources to address the situation that it did not create."
To make matters worse, according to the statement, Border Patrol released at least 7,000 people into the city who later tested positive for COVID-19, with over new 1,500 COVID cases in just the past week.
Had, All the states with the most cases are border states. Georgia, New York, Illinois, California, Texas. Had was had, Where are all the airport inport centers for international travelers had was had, the three biggest are Chicago, New York and Atlanta, and then the ones in California because it is far west.
Now was had, The years and years of bringing in people from all over the world had did lead, led to the changing of the language. People had would may did, won't use the correct tense because it's too hard to teach different tenses of English to all the illegal aliens who flood Americas' borders every year. and they are probably unvaccinated, had was were.
To the end that, nobody can even talk, amoung the young generations, that something happened in the past tense, but just simply putting an ed on the end of a verb to gain the past tense. So to accomidate all the non English speakers, they'll put the word had in front of words that don't need it, like words already in the happened tense, like the word happened. Something happens, it happened, or they need to put had had had had happened in front of it, or nobody can understand what's going on, because native English speakers are being overrun in America.
Had, All the states with the most cases are border states. Georgia, New York, Illinois, California, Texas. Had was had, Where are all the airport inport centers for international travelers had was had, the three biggest are Chicago, New York and Atlanta, and then the ones in California because it is far west.
Now was had, The years and years of bringing in people from all over the world had did lead, led to the changing of the language. People had would may did, won't use the correct tense because it's too hard to teach different tenses of English to all the illegal aliens who flood Americas' borders every year. and they are probably unvaccinated, had was were.
To the end that, nobody can even talk, amoung the young generations, that something happened in the past tense, but just simply putting an ed on the end of a verb to gain the past tense. So to accomidate all the non English speakers, they'll put the word had in front of words that don't need it, like words already in the happened tense, like the word happened. Something happens, it happened, or they need to put had had had had happened in front of it, or nobody can understand what's going on, because native English speakers are being overrun in America.
You’re actually going to use the above raping of the English language to lecture about the improper use of the English language by immigrants? Cognitive dissonance much?
