Cincy vs Houston .... feels like I'm rooting against both teams haha ... but want Houston to lose more

big play by Houston there

Dang..........Clowney is a freak of nature.

him running was crazy right there

Yeah, did you see how he was holding the ball and then pushed that last dude off like he was freaking flea. LOL...Hilarious.

lol he was holding it like i'd hold a mini football. Crazy to see

So is tonight's game nothing more than trash OL vs trash OL?

Is this game on any channel besides NFLN?

what a catch by aj

No, but you are right that both OLs suck.

And both DL's are pretty damn good.

Thats 2. The Bengals are going to get a pick 6 soon if Watson is not careful.

yeah, the game seems fast for him thus far. it's normal to be surprised by the speed on D

This is kind of a joke, so don't freak out........but, how long before Houston fans start complaining about the team trading Brock?

Maybe it really wasn't all Brock's doing?

Just sayin'.

Watson isn't looking very good.

Houston's OL has been trash for awhile now.

I was kinda joking in the previous post, but I wonder how long it will be before Houston fans start complaining about giving up Brock AND A SECOND ROUND PICK for basically nothing?

Speaking of beasts............Geno Atkins................WOW!

my goodness watson

Watson for the TD!!

looks like Cincy will have a LONG year

Watson is not an NFL QB. He's got legs but he looks completely lost after he's made his first read and it isn't open.

Dalton, until this current drive, has looked like he's Schaub-ing his career.

My boy Watson had an incredible run there...man Bengals D looks slow like a college level on that play.

I think Watson will do alright provide they give him Oline and once Will Fuller and Ellington come back to shore up the WR core ...and I think they are on their 4th string TE already...he'll have issues nonetheless though

Dalton for some reason looks awful so far this year...I don't know but his accuracy and rhythm are out of sync

How?

He's playing with a bad OL made even worse because his starting LT is holding out.

He's playing with a practice squad TE, because the first THREE TEs are all out with concussions.

And oh, he's a rookie.

Theres those legs i said could make him succesful with this team this year ...

Problem is he should have thrown 2 or 3 picks and has missed some open recievers ...

Good lord are these OL's bad ...

Were better than Cinci ....

Houston's run game looks better this week than last. Miller is a good RB

Glad to hear the announcers address Watson's character and also mention the great humanitarian Warrick Dunn.

Living in SC, I heard some Watson stories............and the dude is nothing but class! Great kid. I question some of his qb abilities, but I would never question his character and I hope his star shines!

He's certainly up against it. If I were management I'd run Savage out there and let him take the beating until some of the skilled players come back. As it is Watson is doomed to fail. Or get injured.
Maybe he'll prove me wrong. I'll eat my words if he does. I just don't see him being a top QB at this level.

I don't see why we con not beat the bengals twice this year.

Watson's arm looks plenty strong to me.

Watson has looked more and more comfortable as the game went on. Those yards he got for the FG was huge.

Bengals play the Packers next week. they just might go 0-3 to start the year. not bad imo

cmon houston!!!!!

Yaaassss!!!!!

So, two straight games with zero TDs from the bengals offense.

Yikes.

Damn. Hopefully that's Houston's last win this year.

I will say it again brother, I don't see any reason we don't beat the bengals twice this year.

CMON HOUSTON...ONE MORE STOP

JJ WWAAAATT

HAHAH WTH????

I said it numerous times heading in the 2012 draft that Lamar Miller was the back to have in the that class...over TRich, Doug Martin, David Wilson etc...he's a superb back, easy top 10 in the NFL and all behind a horrible Oline.

Bengals are averaging 4.5 points a game...and that offense was supposed to be potent WR (AJ Green, Lafall, Boyd, Ross) that's a stacked WR core... (Hill, Mixon, Bernard) that's a stacked RB core...they should have probably opted out of Ross and Mixon and grabbed some Oline because they are desperate there

I like Watson as a person, but man he looked overwhelmed out there. Not being put in a great position to succeed or develop. Really struggled with his reads. Bengals showing that double A gap blitz pre-snap really seemed to fluster him. Great runner and athlete though. Needs to work on his progressions. Slightly improved as the game went on.

Hopkins' hitch route helped him out for sure. Man,that guy can ball.

Forgot to add that I'm really going to love going to work tomorrow with all the Bengals fans there. For all the (deserved) grief I got last year...

Much love for JJ Watt. He is doing a great thing for his community.

I didn't watch much of the game, but what happened to the Bengals? They were the best team in the division like two years ago. Yikes.

Their line is Swiss cheese.

I know. It's just crazy. They were set up for success with good young core. Now, after two weeks, they look like they need to start over.

How could they just let their offensive line fall apart? Everyone knows that Dalton is terrible when pressured.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/fa...-under-pressure

http://grantland.com/features/andy-dalton-cincinnati-bengals-pressure/

Great for us though.

their o-line is young, young, young.

j/c..

For the most part, the games the NFL trots out for these Thursday Night games are awful (save for the first week when everyone is well rested).

cincy did us no favors last night. man, their offense is bad

Sad to think this could be the last year of Marvin Lewis.

Cincy didn't even look like they cared on that final drive.

Agreed! Astounding amount of money raised. Very classy player who gave the Bungles absolute fits last night. Just one more reason to love the guy's game.

I'm so glad we didn't draft Watson, he can't seem to push the ball downfield at all. He only averaged 3.6 yards per passs last night, wow! Several of them should have been picked off and how do you scramble 50 yards for a TD when the Bengals have 7 dropped back deep? They were jogging trying to catch him, looked like they could care less if they won. Bengals look like the Titanic slowly sinking and I think it will end Lewis and Dalton this year, Texans have no QB again rough season ahead for both teams.

He got a lot of praise and attention for his long TD run and their victory, but I didn't think he looked that good. His arm is a question to me.

j/c:

Cincy looked bad. Dalton looked like garbage. These things please me. I mentioned in another thread - while I realize that we have Houston's first two picks, I was rooting for Cincy to lose. I do not understand rooting for a divisional rival, unless them winning would put us in the playoffs.

I realize that it is not permissible to criticize Watson as a QB on this board, and I do apologize to all of his fanbois on here, but I was not impressed in the slightest. And yes, I know he was in his first start and lacked support around him.

He looked inaccurate and I am shocked he had no picks. Could have easily had a couple. And still has a tendency to throw it up for grabs. My biggest concerns with him.

It is too early to judge him. But right now, I am glad we passed on him and I would not trade Kizer straight up for him.

I hope Watson goes on to not prove me wrong. I think he will help my team more this year by wearing a Texans jersey than a Browns jersey.

I actually thought his arm looked fine. I think he's capable of making all the throws.

Where I really think he struggled was with both pre-snap and post-snap reads. The double-A gap blitz pre-snap showing put him off his game, and his multiple near-picks showed either he did not properly read the coverage, or he just doesn't understand the NFL windows yet.

Bengals Suck...I mean their D is sort of OK but they give up a 49 yard scamper by the QB...how they didn't have a spy on him by then. smh

Their O sickly...I don't do fantasy but I would get their kicker...lol Dalton running for his life most of the time.So many teams going for that #1 pick add the Bengals to the list!

I think Watson is going to have a worst statistical season than Kizer, Kizer's throwing motion looks more natural and fluid to me, something about Watson release that looks off to me, like it stops short or something

Stop short? That's my move!

I only caught the second half, but I thought his arm looked good to me. He was throwing those comeback routes outside the hash marks to Hopkins on a rope. I thought it looked alive.

Where did this come from?

Man, that Hopkins Hitch route is just deadly...

I was just being snarky. Leading up to the draft Watson had his supporters (which is fine) but some would get on some of us who had no interest in him, saying we were just ragging on him with no reason, despite us providing reasons. It was just not possible to find anything wrong with him.

Just being cranky - not a lot of sleep lately.

I think its pretty noticeable that Watson runs at the sign of pressure and Kizer maneuvers the pocket and keeps his eyes down field.

Watson may turn out well but he is going to struggle for a while, IMO.

That I thought was obvious with His College tape and why I agreed with not taking him at pick 12.

I am happy the way things fell for us in the Draft getting Kizer at pick 52. IMO Watson should have been a second round pick. He could prove me wrong. Only time will tell.

good way to put it IMO

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The #Bengals are expected to fire OC Ken Zampese, sources say. After two games without a touchdown, Zampese is out.

Let's hope they start 0-4

Exactly. I don't care what they do next week as long as they lose in week 4.

Teams who were struggling have always looked at that Browns week as a chance to get back on track.. let's hope that trend is ending.

Bengals fire offensive coordinator Ken Zampese

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...tor-ken-zampese

Their old offensive coordinator was much better:

Bill Lazor: How the New Bengals Offensive Coordinator Might Save Andy Dalton From Himself

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/15/cincin...red-andy-dalton

When a team scores nine points and zero touchdowns in the season’s first eight quarters (all at home, no less), frustrations will boil over and heads are liable to roll. Usually it’s the quarterback’s. But in Cincinnati it was the offensive coordinator’s, Ken Zampese, who had been the QB coach since 2003 before taking over as OC in 2016.

Former Dolphins OC, Bill Lazor, is now The Guy. Like Zampese, Lazor had been coaching Cincy’s quarterbacks, and he knows what it’s like to get fired midseason. The Dolphins, amidst a tumultuous 2015 campaign, canned him that November after his 27th game calling plays.

Friday’s move was more about replacing Zampese than promoting Lazor. Few organizations value coaching staff continuity as much as the Bengals do. Marvin Lewis—who, it must be noted, is in a contract year—almost always promotes from within. Lazor didn’t join the team until last season. Unlike Zampese, he isn’t deeply rooted in the intricate, run-pass balanced system of predecessors Jay Gruden and Hue Jackson.

When Lazor was hired in Miami, coaches across the NFL wondered aloud what kind of system he would run. At league gatherings, Lazor, a soft-spoken but affable guy, stayed buttoned up. He’d been on a variety of staffs, including Chip Kelly’s in Philadelphia, as the quarterbacks coach.

Many suspected Lazor would feature a lot of Kelly’s horizontal spread concepts. He did, most notably in the ground game and with all of Miami’s pre-snap shifting and motioning. The pre-snap movement gave an offense the illusion of complexity. But the reason Kelly’s men could always do it and also play fast was that, once the ball was snapped, the scheme was quite simple.

This is what Lazor will aim for in Cincinnati. It’s unrealistic to become a Chip Kelly-styled offense midstream, and it’s unlikely that Marvin Lewis would want to play that fast. (The Bengals almost always register between 55 and 65 snaps a game.) But pre-snap motion is already a meaningful part of Cincinnati’s offense. Lazor should expand this in an effort to simplify other departments. The Bengals will have fewer plays in their game plan, but they’ll run those plays from a variety of different formations: More for the defense to digest, less for the offense to master.

Zampese, the son of longtime NFL play-caller Ernie, has long been a respected quarterback tutor. But he’s also known for being intensely analytical. There was some sense that, schematically, he tried to do too much. That’s not ideal for Andy Dalton, another known analyzer, who has a reputation for explaining every detail of every play—even the ones where athletic instincts should just take over. By keeping a litany of formations, but also scaling back the game plans, Lazor can halt some of the ever-grinding gears in Dalton’s head. At least, that’s what Lewis and the Bengals hope.

Watson was fine...he's playing with a subpar oline with his best olman sitting on his couch waiting for w new contact... He had no tight ends... And only three Wrs... On a short week....for his first start,,,

I agree I like Kizer better for the long term... I think Kizer has more upside... But Watson will be fine...

https://twitter.com/ChrisWesseling/status/908771358762426369

Hue had dalton absolutely balling.

In fairness to Zampese, the Bengals OL went to crap this year. They also don't have a lot at WR, with Green being Green, and LaFell being across him, but then injuries and young the rest of the way.

I think that there is a lot more that has gone into their offensive fall-off than just play calling.

Yeah, and Eifert isn't himself (maybe never will be again) and Ross doesn't strike me as a good WR yet, just fast.

The Bengals OL really struggled last year and they got worse during the past offseason. They're a mess right now.

Andy Dalton named AFC Defensive Player of the Week

Bradford out vs Pittsburgh ... of course

Of course.

I'm looking forward to GB at Atlanta tonight.

yeah, should be high scoring and exciting

Saints intercept Brady twice, both called back by penalties.

Brady is done! He only threw for 447 yards today.

the Skins look very good today (of course the Rams do not)

Philly took a loss. That's going to be good thing every time it can get said.

The bar was empty today, because Falcons not playing until later.

So I didnt get to sit next to any interesting characters.

Bummer.

LOL...............I love listening to Chris Spielman. He just completely dogged some dude for ducking his head on an attempted tackle.

He sounded pissed. Like Fullers tackle attempt literally upset him.

Parkey with 54 yarder.

Is there a more underrated QB than Rivers?

Man, that guy is good.

Man, Siciliano has some ears.

I am so jealous of his job.

well, SD kicker might be cut now

if trevor seimian(sp) keeps playing like this, he's gonna get paid.

yeah, and the Denver D has been incredible

Man, watching other games around the league most teams field a professional offense and defense.

It makes me bummed about where we are. We are not close to a professional offense.

So discouraging.

I think that every sunday night Rish ... we play a different sport.

Watch Denver, Dallas, NE, Pitt, etc ... they're PROFESSIONAL. We're sloppy, undisciplined, untalented.

Watching falcons first drive depresses me. Shows how far we really have to go

go falcons....gabriel and mack on team

other teams make it look SO easy (yes, a QB basically) ... getting a 1st down for us is such a relief

we dont scheme well. we need to get the ball to colemen with a mismatch...ie one on one. we throw the ball 80% of the time with rookie qbs. the crow gets 10 carries a game with a rookie qb.

hue conceded he should of run the ball more last year...we still dont run the ball

i will say that baltimore had a GREAT, SIMPLE game plan ... use our aggression against us. PA/Boots/TE or RB misdirection stuff. We were totally off balance. Yes, we adjusted, but it was too late. They knew we'd key on the run and bring pressure and they baited us.

along those same lines, Hue gets too pass happy and cute. SO many shifts, formations, signals, etc ... I can see how a rookie or young players can make presnap penalties. Plus, we don't have the talent yet to do that stuff. It's like asking and undergrad to do post-grad work

I think atlantas stadium might be the best looking in league

and props to them about the cheap concession prices

JC...

Read online that TP already has three drops for the Redskins. Man Crabtree had a nice game against the Jets today. Props to the 49ers for keeping the game against Seattle so close.

Yep. One of the photographers I follow is shooting the game tonight, he posted this shot earlier

Falcons stadium

Yeah it's an impressive building, plus they don't charge arm/leg for stuff

It will be even cooler when the retractable roof works.

Atlanta looks pretty legit

certainly tonight ... flying around with a great o

Aaron Rodgers is a trainwreck

I was thinking the same thing. How about stop with all the cute shifts and weird formations and let the rookie get comfortable and in rhythm, and stick to a running game. Our running game is pretty much crap out of the shotgun. Practice getting out of the huddle faster.

I would live to see a true OC come in but for some reason, I think Hue's ego would not allow it.

There is so much bad QB in the league. Hoyer, Bortles, Palmer, Dalton, Glennon, and McCown are all really bad. And those guys are all veterans. It's really hard to watch some of these games.

yeah, i'd say 10 of the games were nearly unwatchable

Completely surprised at how terrible the giants look so far this season.

Their offensive line is bad (along with 3/4 of the league) and Eli has not looked good.

No doubt. Ereck Flowers is atrocious.

The Giants are about a 5 win team.

yeah, the NFCE has underwhelmed thus far. SO many teams have bad OL. QBs can barely even get a snap off

The other day, I was thinking about how many teams have really bad offensive lines. There are a a lot of them. And yes, the Giants are in that group. Pathetic.

I also think HC is going to have a hard time keeping his job.

They might just clean house at the end of the year. Anyone with ties to Coughlin.

Yep, they have spent a lot of money on free agents.

Their D is good, but their OL is beyond atrocious.