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Lynching is illegal as it's murder, but extra crimes are added because if by going by the letter of the law, not everyone in a lynch mob is a murderer. Many would be charged with accessory to murder. That is at most a 15 year sentence. A hate crime that involves kidnapping or murder is a life sentence. That is why hate crimes are good protections for marginalized communities. we

I actually gave you the perfect answer to this question. If the water is clear you can see below the water. If the water has been muddied you would have to go below the surface to find things you can't see or find from the surface.

That's why they have to send divers into the water to find bodies that have drowned.

I will give this one more go... you said:



I asked you what I would see if I dove into the water or looked below the surface...

And you have turned it into a discussion about scuba diving...

So... one last time... as it relates to lynching gays and blacks, what is below the surface that people aren't seeing?

Well that's nothing close to the way you worded the question. But I thought the answer was obvious. Let's look at who was to be protected.



What should have been so obvious, yet many of the responses refused to address, (even those with "skin in the game"), is that once again the only group this evangelical group opposed as being in the bill were LGBTQ people.

They weren't opposing the bill itself. Instead, they targeted a particular subset of people who they seem to feel do not deserve equal protection. Yet the surface replied that it shouldn't be a law. Somehow it was glossed over what the intent of this group was making as their target.

And to a larger degree, we see it on here all the time. We see it on social media all the time. We see it coming from politicians all the time. There will be an actual problem that needs to be addressed. But rather than look deeply into such problems they lash out at one another. They distract and use a bait and switch con game to place the focus elsewhere rather than actually admit and address an issue.

Sometimes, often times actually, we have to look far beyond the noise to see what is actually going on and what can be done to solve it.

Did I really need to discuss it?

It appears not. I would however have thought since you did comment in the thread this may have been one thing that would have stood out to you. But once again, it appears not.

Darn right.

then why aren't you advocating for all of the groups that are NOT included, if your intention is to argue based on who deserves "equal protection"?

Yeah, that's kind of skirting the issue. But that's common practice here.

And that's avoiding the question. Which is also common practice here.

If it's about "equal protection" then why are there groups not included?

Because the evidence says the group you’re referring to is typically the ones in control doing the discriminating.

Equality always feels like oppression to those in control.

If actual sentencing reflected the severity of the crime, we wouldn't need the extra bills that basically say murder is illegal. Besides, the most recent recorded lynching was 1981. Why are they pushing this bill?

You haven't even addressed the my entire last post to you. That's called "bait and switch". A common practice.

You never even attempted to address the fact that they wished to exclude gay people from the bill. So I'll tell you what, you address my post to you first, since that's the order they were posted in, then I'll address yours.

Let's try this again, shall we?



Then we get to exactly what you were trying to do. Thanks for giving the perfect example of it BTW

Maybe, I don't feel oppressed.

So like you trying to muddy this up with your post about some equivalence with the abortion laws?


Because they view LGBTQ as sinful behavior, they view it as a choice.. unlike your national origin or your race, etc.. and they have always fought against including them in "protected class" recognition. So this seems to be pretty much in keeping with their previous efforts.

You do understand they used religion as a reason to promote slavery and racist laws as well, right?

Of course.

I also understand that if I had used Rosa Parks and the Greensboro sit in folks in an analogy with a well-off white attorney from suburban Denver in 2019, your buddies on the left would have pounced on that like flies on horse crap... but you take folks who risk their lives, the safety of their community and their family, jail time... and compare that to an attorney who can't get the cake they want for their perfectly legal gender transition.... and none of them say a word... odd.

And you haven’t hid them away?

It's because while the risk factor may be different, the fight against discrimination is the same. In every case, they sought it out and opposed it. In every case religion was used to inflict that discrimination.

That's what 'out of the closet' means.

Mississippi wedding venue cites 'Christian belief' in refusing interracial couple


JACKSON, Miss. – An interracial Mississippi couple was turned away from a wedding venue with the owner citing her refusal based on her "Christian beliefs." The owner of the venue has since apologized, saying she was raised to believe interracial marriage was an "understood subject."

In a now-viral video posted on Facebook on Saturday by LaKambria Welch, an unidentified woman can be heard saying, in part, "we don't do gay weddings or mixed-raced (weddings) because of our Christian race, I mean our Christian belief."

With the 2016 passage of House Bill 1523, Mississippi businesses are allowed to deny services based on their religious views. The bill also prevents government intervention when churches or businesses act "based upon or in a manner consistent with a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction." The bill was primarily directed at sexual orientation and same-sex marriage. Race was not a part of the legislation.

According to multiple media reports, Welch went to Boone's Camp Event Hall in Booneville on Saturday with her mother after finding out the venue would not host her brother, who is black, and his fianceé, who is white.

In the video, Welch begins to ask the woman, "Well, we're Christians as well so, what in the Bible tells you that," but the woman interrupts her, saying, "Well, I just don't want to argue my faith.


"We just don't participate, we just choose not to," she said.

Welch could not be reached for comment Tuesday, and the video is no longer publicly available on her Facebook page. Calls to Boone's Camp Event Hall went unanswered. According to the Mississippi Secretary of State's website, the space is registered to David and Donna Russell of Booneville.

Boone's Camp Event Hall has since deleted their Facebook page but not before they posted an apology and said, after researching, they found that the woman's views on interracial marriage were unfounded.

In two screenshots obtained by WCBI-TV in Columbus, Mississippi, the event hall posted an apology, saying in part, "as a child growing up in Mississippi, our racial boundaries that were unstated were that of staying in your own race."

In the post, the woman said her husband asked her where the Bible mentioned "biracial relationships." After spending the weekend looking for it and consulting her pastor, the woman said she realized her beliefs were "incorrect," saying, "As my Bible reads, there are two requirements for marriage and race has nothing to do with either!"

The woman then apologized for her "ignorance in not knowing the truth."

"My intent was never of racism but to stand firm on what I 'assumed' was right concerning marriage," she said.

It was not clear whether the woman had reached out to Welch or the couple to apologize.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...ple/2198769001/

hope your girl aint black or hispanic, Jules! then you're double screwed!

If she were a transgender black or hispanic girl I might hit the trifecta!

It amazes me how many people use Christianity to spread hate... don't think jesus ever said anything against interracial marriage or even homosexuality... last I checked jesus said to love God and love our neighbors....

They do and that was the biggest reason why I turned away from religion.

On the other hand, I think that are a huge number of people who like to report the negative stories of religious people while ignoring the positive stories. Thus, in turn...........those types of people lose my support, as well.

I think it is best to judge individuals as individuals rather than assigning labels to entire groups of people. I may have said that one to a thousand times before. LOL

I agree... there are many great 'religious' stories out there...

I feel like I'm s fairly strong Christian... still learning and by no means perfect.... I get so frustrated by religious nuts who hide behind religion while professing hate...

Not sure if my opinion means anything to you, jay............but, for what it's worth.......I think you are a good dude. You seem sincere. I don't agree w/all your takes, but I think you come from a good place.

In my opinion, there are religious folks who give religion a bad name. However, I think there are a ton of really good religious folks who make the world a better place.

I am not religious. However, I would never bash a person for being part of that sect. I think you should never be embarrassed or discouraged by the words of people hating on religious folks such as yourself and just keep on "keeping on" trying to live a better life. Don't let the haters get you down, bro. I have a lot of respect for guys like you.

I have faith in God, and believe that there are prophets.

Religion is another subject. It creates as many problems as it solves.

You are not alone, my friend.
We are legion... and a good many of us aren't Sunday-go-to-meetin' type folk. But we are here.


Speaking truthfully, I'd actually seek out a church with slogans like this on its front lawn:

Yup, it is interesting

I agree that many who are religious and many who belong to a religion are good people and that religion does a lot of good in the world.

But when it comes to the individual as you described it, I think by and large that holds true. Sometimes not so much when it comes to religion.

You can look at the teachings of ones religion to tell you the story. Does the religion they follow preach exclusion of homosexuals? Does it teach denying women reproductive rights? There are other topics I could touch on but I think you get my meaning here.

I was raised to believe that what a person says isn't nearly as important as what a person does. When a person contributes, supports and joins in with a religion that professes and spreads such messages, I feel that speaks louder than anything else.