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Well, there were those several threads posted by mac whose entire premise was that very idea, even if he didn't use those exact words.

well, that's pretty concrete right there.

j/c:

I know very little about draft trade value, so this might be really dumb.........but, does trading our 2nd round pick [41st overall] to Washington for Williams and their 3rd round pick [66th overall] make sense?

FYI: Washington currently does not have a 2nd round pick.

Asked #Browns GM Andrew Berry specifically about trading out of No. 10 if team can address LT with veteran. "We are not going to be pigeon-holed into a certain decision or a certain mode of operation," he said. "We are going to make the best decision that we think is right."

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Well, covered all the bases.

Journalism.

I think she is a pretty good journalist and does have some ties to people in the organization. At least she didn't lie or make things up like some other reporters have.

But yeah, that statement was crazy. She should have just said something like: The Browns are still open to the possibility of trading for Trent Williams.

The key part of Josina Anderson's tweet was that she said "per source" and the portions of her tweet that were in quotes. Point being that someone - we assume from the Redskins or the Browns or the agent - acknowledged that a trade for Williams is still on the table, ie, possible. Its not "news", but its not nothing either.

I think Jason Peters still out there looking for a team helps us not feel desperate. If a team were to sign him before the draft, things might heat up a little bit.

It's not so much that he missed on Harrison as that he didn't otherwise address the position, to me. If you're counting on a UDFA and/or another team's bust to be your starting LT, it probably won't end well. Especially ones with so many red flags on and off the field.

But then again, in the right environment, maybe Harrison wouldn't have turned out the way he did. It's hard to pinpoint the exact fault.

Then he did seem to miss on Corbett.

We're looking at needing OL. I'm okay with someone other than Dorsey being the one to handle it.

I'm not sure Berry would be my ideal choice, but I believe he'll at least listen to Callahan and Stefanski. I'm not sure that was true of Dorsey. He seemed to be more this is who I like, deal with it. Sometimes he was right-like trading Hyde so Chubb would have to get time. However, it's not a very healthy dynamic. Sometimes he was wrong-Thomas, Corbett, Avery (more round peg, square hole than the player.)

I’m pretty sure I’ve never called John Dorsey a gorilla. Thank you for the misrepresentation!

If I had to compare John Dorsey to an animal I would compare him an owl. People think owls are smart but they are really not, they are dumb. But they are really good at the one thing they know.

Peen mentioned Dorsey looking like a gorilla in a post. I do like the Owl analogy. I do think Dorsey is a very good talent evaluator - he had a few misses but overall I think mostly he did as well as anyone could have. The trade for Vernon and OBJ might be the ultimate litmus test - I think both are excellent players we just need to see more of them and healthy.

You certainly jumped to a conclusion that I never made. I never even suggested anyone was a "slime ball".

Let me clear this up a little. We have people saying that Depo is nothing but a numbers guy. That he wields no power in the FO. That he's more a cog in the wheel. The fact he's been around going on his third regime shows this is false. The fact the very HC he wanted hired last year is now our HC shows this is false.

For someone who "doesn't make the choices", Stefnaski is here. An owner doesn't fire a bunch of people to only turn around and rehire them only two years later unless someone presents a solid case for doing so to him. This didn't happen because Haslam had some epiphany in the middle of the night.

Minus Sashi Brown we have the same people we had here two years ago in this FO. My point is and will remain that unless Depo wields a lot of power and influence, that would never happen. That's abundantly clear here.

That isn't some sinister plot. Depo is who Haslam has decided to listen to in building the FO we have now. He listened to him concerning who should be our HC. This is Depo's group. And Depo will live or die by their results.

Well maybe it did? Before DePo was hired he told Jimmy he would have to commit to the process over the long haul. I do believe that at times Jimmy has gotten over excited and tried to short cut that process. Maybe DePo finally convinced him that his short cutting has been the biggest hindrance?

And that would only bolster my conviction that Depo has much more power and influence than many posters seem willing to admit.

The difference between myself and some others is that I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I have no idea how this thing will play out and I have an open mind about it. The evidence will be what we see in terms of results on the field as it has been with every other HC and regime.

My premise has simply been all along that Depo certainly has more influence than some are willing to admit. My assertion is that the evidence is pretty clear on that.

I never said you called Depo a slim ball or anything else. I used those words to paint an analogy between two different scenarios ....

I was talking in general - and the analogy stands regardless of what words you choose or how you want describe either of the possibilities.

I think it's been fair to say some posters have expressed an opinion that Depo might be here because he's smart and been right about some calls in the past ... and it's fair to say some posters have questioned if Depo has been resentful of others in the FO and maybe has used his position to negatively influence Haslam (either with 'poisonous' words or negative spin) about others in the FO. . . . however you want to describe those different possibilities that have been inferred of Depo, I don't mind. But in those two scenarios, I think it's more likely that he's here because he's smart and been correct, just my opinion .... fact is I don't know and don't really care. What I care about is what he and Berry and Stefanski do together.

I think that's perfectly reasonable. After all, the dude IS the Chief Strategy Officer.

...and mine as well. Of course, just my opinion...

I would not be in such a hurry to give up so much.
Don't bid against yourself.

Look at cap numbers... who else that needs a tackle, and won't draft one on Day 1, can even afford Trent's contract?

Williams' cap hit in 2020 will be $12.5 million

2019 NFL Draft – Average Guaranteed Dollars by Round
1st Round – $16,939,370
2nd Round – $3,786853
3rd Round – $946,211
4th Round – $692,925
5th Round – $301,369
6th Round – $161,745
7th Round – $88,795

2020 Minimum Rookie Salaray: $510,000
You have to figure that each team will need a minimum of at least $5 million for signing rookies.

Trent plus Rookies together is a minimum of $17.5 million, meaning that it is reasonably unlikely that any team with less than $20 million would trade for Trent.

Currently, only 10 teams have sufficient space to carry both:

10. Texans: $19.5M
9. Bills: $20.9M
8. Titans: $21.9M
7. Chargers: $22.3M
6. Dolphins: $22.7M
5. Skins: $23.8M
4. Colts: $23.9M
3. Eagles: $27.1M
2. Lions: $29.5M
1. Browns: $38.4M


So, of those, who NEEDS a LT badly enough to trade for one, is NOT going to take one in the Top 10 of the Draft, AND is willing to carry his salary? Oh, and if he gets a new contract, that cost for this year goes up to closer to $20M just for him.

I'm going to go on a limb and say that NONE of them are in the race. The lone possibilities are teams in that list that are also picking Top 10, but plan to draft a QB. That's it.

As I have said many times before bro. Depo is the Chief Strategy Officer. He is in charge of setting up ALL processes being used by the Browns to make sure they are all rowing together in the same direction, and not in different directions. That includes all departments as to how they are set up. He does not run the football department, only the hiring process. Depo is a big part of the operation but he is not in control of football decisions.

j/c...

WOW - good on the Bucs.

And they didn't have to part with OJ Howard!

Interesting ...

I haven't been following him. Has Hooker more or less lived up to the hype he had coming out in the draft?

I do not think he has lived up to the expectation, however, he has been injured often (20 games in 3 years). He is young and a true FS.

According to NFL Network, Gronk has passed the physical and it's a done deal...