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interesting videos, milk!

Sure thing! Both fantastic reads as well.

In education circles we talk about Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. It’s an idea that basic needs should be satisfied in order to find success.

Here’s the chart:



Swish can correct me if I’m wrong but this matches up quite well with what he describes.

There are solutions that get brought up to address the problems. Unfortunately the solutions are met with low effort arguments such as “that’s socialism!”, “why can’t they just pull themselves up with their bootstraps like I did!” or “my tax money shouldn’t support this!”. We need to support meaningful reform. This includes reform to welfare programs that actually look to educate and provide for people rather than give them enough to feel numb to their situation.

Thanks. But, why the 'sigh'? Do you really dislike me that much?

After writing the same thing 4 or 5 times over the years, I got sick of not being heard. Or purposely ignored.

That is why I don't bother contributing to these threads like I used to. What's the freaking point?

"Black on black crime/Chicago" is a sort of porn for some. Hearing from me about how the black community is addressing their own problems is a cold shower they'd rather avoid.

Thanks for continuing to try. I'm done with this crowd.

I can't say I blame you but you would be a far more credible spokesman than I am.

As somebody who has been involved with the renovation/construction of probably 50-60 public school buildings in the state of NC, let me help you out with this.

This is just speaking for NC, but I'm assuming it's very similar other places...

You have the two most populated areas of NC, which are Charlotte and Raleigh, very well funded school districts, property values are high, income for schools is good.. but if you break it down, as neighborhoods "age" unless they are the old money neighborhoods, property values stagnate, more blacks move in, more whites move out.. those old inner city neighborhoods have the old schools in them, the ones that are 20-30 years old.. it's very expensive to build a school downtown, real estate is expensive and construction logistics are difficult.... so what do they do? They allocate millions of dollars to "fix it up".. first they spend a big chunk getting rid of asbestos and lead paint, then they might put in new tile, new paint, put on a new roof, repave the parking lot, (and yes, upgrade the athletic facilities).. and it costs millions to do that.... it is way more expensive to maintain because the systems (HVAC, Electric, Plumbing) are all old and in need of constant repair. So more money, per student, allocated to poor schools is getting eaten up just to make sure they have lights that work, AC, working toilets, and windows that don't leak.... things newer schools just take for granted.

as the white population expands into the suburbs, what do they get? They get a brand spanking new school on a lovely country road somewhere.. all new tech, new lab equipment, everything is new and shiny.. roof doesn't leak, HVAC is automated and energy efficient, lights are all new LEDs that are cheaper to use, kitchen equipment is all new.... and the design is laid out modernly based on the way teachers want to teach and the way kids learn with common areas for group collaboration, higher ceilings, more natural light, less exposed CMU.. it doesn't feel like a prison. It feels like a place you can learn and actually be proud of.

And the school in the suburbs didn't get a whole lot more money for construction than the inner city school did... I can build that school in the suburbs for $310/SF... I can "renovate" that old city school for $280/SF (whereas it would cost me $430/SF to tear it down and build a new one like they have in the suburbs)... from a financial perspective, the school board doesn't really have a choice..

Then, over the next couple decades, black families start moving to that neighborhood as the school ages, white people move even farther out in the suburbs and the whole system repeats.

If you are not in an urban area, then you just don't have the funding to do a lot of what I just described.... if you are in a rural/white area you probably have more money because property values are higher than they are in rural/black areas... but both of those are generally going to get "less school" than the suburbs.

Credible? Perhaps.
Effective? Apparently not so much.

40¢ was right about me in one context: I'm a different poster than the one he first read. 5 years ago, I still thought it was worth the effort. I'm 5 years closer to the grave and 5 years more cynical. So yes, I'm a very different poster than I was back then.

All my posts are in the archives. I've never deleted a single word I've ever shared. If anyone actually cares enough, they can find a decade's worth of my opinions on this and every other topic under the sun.

How many times must a person repeat himself before the wall starts to come down?

So fn tired of the deafness.

I really can't say I blame you.

Me too. I'll leave y'all to it.

Is it really that hard for you to listen and step aside?

No one is saying you can't be part of the fight, but you cannot be THE voice.

Listen and follow the recommendations. It's not that hard.

I am stepping aside. I am tired of dealing w/you hateful folks. A guy like Swish can say I support the KKK and killing blacks and somehow, he is defended and I am attacked. Your side is as bad as the other. Y'all preach hate and are prejudiced as can be. And yes, you can "count me out."

I'll leave w/you the partial lyrics to Revolution:

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world

But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be
All right, all right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can

But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be
All right, all right, all right

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead

...


And you still won't get it.

you missed this line,
but when you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
you aint gonna make it with anyone anyhow

He even new that the libs then were followers of Red China as they seem to be now smh

I’ve been talking about ending the war on drugs for decades on these boards. For all the reasons mentioned and many more. I can’t tell you of all the crap I’ve taken for those views over the years here, and much like Clem, I just gave up on that conversation, as well as other obvious topics. It just gets old and you get tired of arguing the same nonsense.

I feel even more strongly than I ever have about ending this ridiculous war. It’s killing and repressing people, and I’m ashamed of us that we keep this promoting this ongoing farce.

Quoting John and Paul songs now? And you still won’t get it.

Day after day
Alone on a hill
The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still
But nobody wants to know him
They can see that he's just a fool
And he never gives an answer
But the fool on the hill
Sees the sun going down
And the eyes in his head
See the world spinning 'round
Well on the way
Head in a cloud
The man of a thousand voices
Talking perfectly loud
But nobody ever hears him
Or the sound he appears to make
And he never seems to notice
But the fool on the hill
Sees the sun going down
And the eyes in his head
See the world spinning 'round
And nobody seems to like him
They can tell what he wants to do
And he never shows his feelings
But the fool on the hill
Sees the sun going down
And the eyes in his head
See the world spinning 'round
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
'Round and 'round and 'round and 'round and round
And he never listens to them
He knows that they're the fools
They don't like him
The fool on the hill
Sees the sun going down
And the eyes in his head
See the world spinning 'round

I'm quoting you and as a response to Swish's post further up the thread.

I didn't ( and still don't really) know the details of the drug laws and the sentencing that follows. For instance, I was unaware how the sentencing differs for crack v cocaine convictions and what groups of people (race) tend toward which drug. I have two comments about that.

I am fiscally conservative and a social Libertarian. I don't care what others do as long as it's legal, no one gets hurt and no one else gets their own Liberty compromised by the "liberty claims" of another. (Like bringing a dog to a restaurant, outdoor patio.)

I have always believed that MJ should be legal and taxed. I don't use it now - can't say that about my JR/High school years - and would use it again if it were safe, reliable and legal.

Swish mentioned the unbalanced (maybe racist) sentencing laws. My recollection is that these laws were revamped in Clinton's drug war. Biden played a big role in the creation of that law - and it's a doozy of a bill with a lot of pieces. My understanding of Trump's "First Step Act' is that it is designed to reduce the harshness of sentences for many minor crimes - including drug related crimes. I'm not taking that any further as it's less germane to my next point.

I don't recollect any protest, protester, BLM spokesman, figurehead, athlete, minister-type, etc talking about the drug sentencing issue that Swish laid out. Maybe it has/had been said in the past and I didn't hear it or wasn't listening "enough". But I do know it is far from the focal point of anything I've heard recently - maybe ever.

It's a solution that probably SAVES money in the short and long run and can go a long way to getting the family unit back together. I have a bias regarding the "solution" in that I believe it starts with the family unit...adds valuing education...and graduates to economic opportunity. I think a reduction in draconian (I hate using that word...but I can't think of a better one at the moment) sentencing laws is a good thing. That effort has been made in the "First Step Act".

Next up for me would be legalized MJ. I don't know enough about other "popular" drugs to comment on whether they too should be legal...but staring - and settling - with legalized MJ makes financial AND social sense to me.

I'd like to learn more about what else can be accomplished. I hope Clem and Vers both get back into this thread. I hope Swish keeps commenting. (My only request is that Swish refrain from saying "you guys did xyz" so much. I've learned in my life that when there is a difficult thing to deal with, time spent on how we got here/there is something to be discussed AFTER the issue has been dealt with...and in the vein of doing what can be done so that history does not repeat itself.)

$.04 ... adjusted for inflation.