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You'd have my vote, DC.

Yes, I voted Libertarian for President.


I will consider the candidate as an individual but I can't see any way I would vote for somebody that rose to the top of that party.


I missed one election where I was so fed up that I sat out and that was Trump/Clinton.. I should have voted Libertarian then.


And the problem of both is basically the same.. it would require Ds and Rs in congress to support something that went against their own self-interest. A successful 3rd party would limit the power and reach of the two current parties.. that's why they set up elections and debates to make the bar really high for entry so a 3rd party never gets any traction.. that's why the media refuses to give a 3rd party any attention. Hard to grow the party without national exposure, can't get national exposure until you grow the party...

Term limits are the same.. Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell.. a select few people have a stanglehold on congress, you think these 30, 40 year people who aren't qualified to do anything else are going to push or support term limits?


Correct, then the 2 current parties took that and stacked the deck so much in their own favor that it's almost impossible to unstack it.. sure a handful of seats swing one way or the other once in a while but the majority are locked up to one party.. and the incumbent has 100% of the name recognition going in.. I believe it was Pelosi who said

When we won this election, it wasn't in districts like mine or Alexandria's. And she's a wonderful member of Congress, I think all of our colleagues will attest," Pelosi, a California Democrat, told an audience Monday night at a London School of Economics event during a U.K. visit.

"But those are districts that are solidly Democratic. This glass of water would win with a D next to its name in those districts," she said, picking up the water at her table."


I'm pretty damn frustrated with the "conservatives" too Swish.. because I see a lot of what you see. We really aren't all that far apart on a lot of this. My values tend to be conservative, I don't want to have anything to do with the majority of people running around calling themselves conservative.

Years ago I went through the same thing with the word "Republican"... I was a Republican since I was 18 years old, then the national image of a Republican changed so much that I stopped calling myself a Republican and started calling myself a conservative... a lot of other people did too but for different reasons and they have co-opted the word conservative now, and the meaning has almost nothing to do with what "conservatives" used to stand for... so I'm without a label now. Based on current definitions, I'm not a republican, I'm not a conservative, I'm not a Libertarian... I'm just independent.. and it's not because I've changed much, it's because everything else has changed.

Aren’t libertarians running into the same problem I’m simply being absorbed by the Republican Party though?

It’s like Bernie for years calling himself an independent but caucusing with the democrats.

I’m beyond frustrated with anything right now. I saw people who claimed to love law enforcement just kill one and through a fire extinguisher at another during a riot.

Honestly I thought the situation would’ve been hilarious, but then moment 5 people died, it stopped being funny and was just absolutely pathetic.

Seriously, we got the far left and far right acting like people in third world countries, and then having those views justified by politicians. The only difference I currently see is that here in America it’s easier for us to afford iPhones.

My only conservative friend, the old rich guy I smoked weed with here - moved to Arizona this year. But this entire area is MAGA hatters and these clowns still won’t take their trump 2020 signs down. I miss real conservatives. I went on road trips and talked about finances and cars with.

Now I’m surrounded by right wingers who god only knows what they say about me behind closed doors.

I find some of it hilarious. Behind my house we have a very nice green area where there is a strip of woods that separate my back yard from the neighbors at the bottom of the hill. From late spring until late fall you can't even see those houses because of the trees between us. I actually don't think the HOA here allows political signs because I never see them. I'm just not the kind of neighbor who goes around feeling offended about everything and snitch on everyone over every little thing.

But there is one neighbor who lives at the bottom of the hill who I never saw any political leanings from until Trump lost the election. Then he started flying a big Trump flag where his American flag had flown before.

The day after the inauguration of Biden, he took down his Trump flag and again began displaying his American flag. Only now he flies it upside down.



I've never met the guy who lives down there. But I do appreciate him letting me know who he is without having to waste the time of going through the process of having to figure it out.

Yes, because they are tired of not getting any traction and want to feel like their vote at least counts for something.. Honestly I have no idea why they would go to the republicans though.

I can get behind some of the Libertarian party platform but not enough to make me really buy in... The only saving grace is that if a Libertarian ever were to win the Presidency any time soon, the Rs and Ds in congress wouldn't let them get away with much of what they REALLY believe.. and I think a tempered amount of Libertarianism wouldn't be that bad.


I pretty much agree with that. I was most disturbed by the Cap Police moving gates, holding doors, taking selfies... while in a different altercation, one of their own was being killed. I'm honestly still not sure what to do with that. It's like there were 2 entirely different groups of people going in, one was a "caught up in the moment" site seeing group... the other was violent and destructive... and the police weren't sure what to do about it either.



I still consider myself conservative, just not by the current definition, by the old one.. and I consider myself your friend.. so you have more than one... but I know what you mean.

I resonate with what both of you are saying.

I'm similar to DC, although I don't think I ever identified Republican. I differentiated between Conservative (big C) and conservative (little C). To me, the differentiation there began happening during the Reagan administration. Conservative became a label, almost synonymous with the Republican machine at the time that has morphed (I would say devolved) into the current dynamic that encompasses Republicans and "Patriots." It continues to devolve. Reagan turned us from being the world's largest creditor, to the world's largest debtor. That's not conservative. He also implemented trickle-down economics. That's not conservative either. Increased the hell out of defense spending. That's not conservative either. The whole methodology that Republicans and Conservatives have abandoned is that the economy should be free-flowing, and an open playing field, while making sure that some regulations are in place to protect basic rights (child labor, anti-trust, etc.).

Modern Republicans and Conservatives have also abandoned the notion that Government should be small and that lower taxes should be implemented across the board, and be offset with budget cuts. This last administration passed tax cuts that overwhelmingly cut taxes for the rich, while also passing the biggest budget in the history of the United States. That's not conservative.

You also look at tax brackets that were in place pre-Reagan, where extra brackets existed for the ultra-rich. These were around for more traditional fiscal conservatives like Nixon and Eisenhower, at the height of the cold war. Ironically, if we tried to re-implement these tax brackets, I couldn't tell you how many people on the board and everywhere would throw out socialist/communist/USSR metaphors like crazy. But, of course, this loss in revenue was accounted for by decreased budgets, right? Nope... Again, massive deficit spending...not conservative.

"Small C" conservatives went along on the ride for a little bit and had to change their views inorganically, go along with it while not liking it, or divorce themselves from the party and basically lose the collective strength of being part of the bigger machine.

I can't speak specifically for others, like DC, but the more this goes along, the worse it gets and the more I become almost nauseated by what modern Republicans/Conservatives are doing.

I don't know what the solution is, either. We have the paradox like DC talked about where a 3rd party won't get more momentum until it gets notoriety, but it won't get notoriety until it gets momentum. There are a lot of powerful people in the government right now that want to prevent that from happening. It seems like the only route to get to a third party is some demagogue developing a party based on vindication.

Feel free, that extremely well stated. I was a big Reagan fan until I started reading more into what he did. I was a very naive young person when I first voted for him and I bought into a lot of stuff... I still think he did some good things but the republican party has hung on this "reagan republicans are the true conservatives" for a long time.


Exactly. What was a small c to do? Sure, you might be frustrated with the republican party but that doesn't make you a democrat... and those are really the only 2 choices. So you suck it up and go along.

And we haven't even got into the social issues yet, where I really diverge from the current crop of republicans/conservatives

Yeah, that's exactly how I feel. I was born during the Reagan administration, so I didn't vote for him.

However, I was raised in the exuberance of "tear down this wall."

I do think there were some good things he did, as well. However, like you, the more I look at it, the more I realized that he began a trajectory that led us to the current situation and that is devolving more and more.

The way I describe it is that you can look back and be like "Yeah, we had to mortgage our mansion, put a lien on all of our cars, and max out our credit cards, but we sure had a lot of cash on hand and bought a lot of cool things! And, who cares about our debt!? Our kids will take care of it, while we patronize them for being irresponsible!"

You and I should start a new party.

Ha, sounds good! Needs to be something catchy though and I’m not good at that.