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Actually it was you who said they shouldn't make more than you did while at the same time saying you too worked part time. You do realize that you would also make more, right?

Do you have any idea how much more you made during your working life than your grandparents did? Should during your working life should your generation have been working at a wage that did not afford you any spending power?

You seem to pretend as though that's not the way it's always been. Each generation has made more money than the one preceding it. Just look around you. When I was a kid you could get three pounds of ground chuck for a dollar.

If they work 40 hours, enough to live. Nobody working 40 hours a week in America should be living in poverty.

This includes all minimum wage jobs in our nation. There are no caveats. This is EXACTLY the reason FDR set up the federal minimum wage. I know what you posted is a popular myth by those thinking we should have some sub level of workers to serve you while they live in poverty. But what I quoted you saying is patently false.

Restaurants are feeling a labor crunch. Teens are an unlikely solution
PUBLISHED WED, MAY 12 202111:01 AM EDT

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/12/restaura...y-solution.html

Looking for teens for cheap labor, knowing a lot of adults ain’t gonna work those trash jobs for what they’re paying.

And now bigger companies like chipotle and such are paying people more, why in gods name would people choose to work at a small restaurant with a stingy owner and even worse customer base?

Either raise the pay or go extinct. I don’t feel bad for any restaurant going through it right now. They know they was out here getting a crap ton of hours from their employees with sweat shop levels of pay. And now they ticked off that the cheap labor doesn’t want to be treated like cheap labor anymore.

Adapt or die. That does speak to the heart of conservatism and capitalism, after all. Either do what you have to do to keep your business running or die off.

Man I’m starting to like conservative ideology. Conservative small business owners don’t give a damn about paying people what they’re worth.

So now I practice conservatism by not giving a crap what happens to small business owners. This is starting to get fun.

While it's not pretty, this is how it should work. Companies are going to pay what the market dictates they should pay, or they're going to look around and see that nobody is doing the work. The interesting part will be how these business owners adjust to the higher wages. Even places like Chipotle and Starbucks and such aren't guaranteed unlimited revenue. If the business isn't at least breaking even, then what the people are being paid is actually moot, because nobody will have jobs at that place for long.

So.

That's like saying those poor plantations will disappear without slaves. If they can't pay living wages then they are not a real business, they are just opportunistic oppressors taking advantage of the working poor. Republicans are all about cutting entitlement programs; the best way to do that is to move people off of them with living wages.

It's far far less dramatic than you're making it sound. With the example of Chipotle, the wages were too low, they found themselves without workers, so they raised wages. This is how it's supposed to work.

Plantations were around long before minimum wage. Let's recap one more time why we have a minimum wage in the first place.



At the point where capitalism abuses its workers there are safeguards in place that are supposed to prevent that. Capitalism isn't an unbridled mechanism without limitations no matter how much people try to indicate otherwise.

So far politicians have circumvented this safeguard for well over a decade in a concerted effort to allow capitalism to take advantage of the very people the minimum wage law was passed into law to protect in the first place. We keep hearing excuses why it has become okay to have workers in America to work 40 hours for poverty wages. Enough is enough.

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That's no surprise, all the GOPer states are starting to do that. I feel sorry for those that are depending on it for whatever reasons but not for those milking the system.

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I worked at Cedar Point right after graduating high school. I took photos for those stupid keychains. It was fairly brutal. The hours sucked as it was often split shift. Working from just before gates open until noon. Then from 5 until everyone was out of the park. And they meant EVERYONE. Even that last drunk dude stumbling from way back to in Frontierland to the front gates could drop $5 much needed dollars into the Cedar Point coffers. “Can’t close until he’s gone.” Stupid drunk. I’d crawl back to my dorm bunk at like 1am and have to do it all again the next day. I got paid fairly well. It was like $6 an hour plus commission for how much film you shot and how many keychains of yours were sold. On a busy Saturday I could shoot 13 rolls of film. Each roll had 64 frames. I’d make between $10-17 an hour. This was good money in the summer 1990.
The working conditions kinda sucked. Standing in the hot sun on pavement all day. I got physically ill from the heat one day. Threw up. They let me sit in the AC for about 20 minutes then pushed me back out to keep shooting film. It sucked. Especially because my roommate had a cush job. He was Papa Bear in the Barenstien Bear Country. He worked 8 hour days but was only on for 30 minutes at a time. With 30 minute breaks in between. Sure it was hot snd he took the occasional nut shot from a bratty kid, but still. He was also paid better as a flat rate. The performers all made good money.

The nights off were fun. Beach parties. ‘Summer love’. We had access to the park all night. It’s actually really cool to walk it after hours. So quiet. They’d open up rides occasionally late night. You haven’t ridden the Demon Drop or Gemini until you’ve ridden it 5 times in a row without a pause. Same could be said for any of the rides they’d open.

Overall it was an okay experience. I got fed up after a month and walked. Went back to restaurant work. Then off to college.

That's a great story. Reminds me of the movie Adventureland.

Seems like it would have been brutal being in one of those Berenstein Bears costumes, particularly if you were hungover.

My Wife did the CP Summer thing one year.

She worked the arcade. Back than, the workers called it "The Animal Shelter."

She called her folks after the first month, wanting to come home. They told her to stay, and take responsibility. "We're not raising you to be a quitter..."

She described the place much as you do, but her experience was 20 years earlier. I guess Human Nature doesn't change.

A couple of classmates did the theater thing one summer. You may have envied some of their perks, but they thought it was brutal, too. Same show(s) all summer. Nobody felt like practicing for the new school year's private lessons.