DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Is it time for False Start Thomas to go?

He obviously needs an abundance of "off time" to stay fresh and he can't seem to remember the snap counts. Is he done?

Hilarious.

When it rains it pours.

Getting rid of our best player is the last thing we need to do.

Only the idiots in charge here and a few idiot fans would think letting Thomas go was a good idea...

On a brighter note the FO aren't the only idiots.

He's still damn good but with the state of this team, it might not be the worst idea to go full on fire sale.

Why is that a brighter note?

Call me crazy, but honestly, if we can get a nice return for Thomas, I would trade him out of pure respect.

Let's be honest with ourselves.

We're going to end up firing Mike Pettine and Ray Farmer.

We're going to bring in a new regime, and we're going to be back to square one and will be another 2-3 year project.

Our of respect for Thomas, we should trade him to a contending team.

Problem is with that thinking is thinking that Thomas cares about winning, he doesn't, this is a job and he's collecting a nice check.. I truly think he could care less about football one way or another. So if he isn't complaining you don't trade him. Especially if you're talking about trading others on the line. But I get the whole fire sale premise and I think its def. something that needs to happen especially on defense. Get some assets for enticing the next regime and hopefully you get someone better than the clowns you have now

That might be the most ridiculous reply I've ever read on this board.

i could probably list 10 of yours that are much more ridiculous

No.

Plus, mine is the absolute truth..thomas has never come out and complained about winning/losing or whatever.. Picked to go fishing over being involved in the draft like 99% other people in that position. Hes just not that kind of guy. Would he like to win over losing, I would like to think so. My point is, unless he's complaining you don't trade him. He just doesn't care enough to make it an issue

It is not ridiculous at all. Thomas gave an interview and pretty much said this himself.

That doesn't mean he is a bad player. As long as players are playing at a high level, I could care less why they are playing.

A puerile attempt to make his point seem valid through insult. Not sure it works, but I understand the attempt.

Please do. I want to read 10 of them.

I've always seen Thomas to be a professional of the highest level, just because he doesn't complain to the media, or vent on Twitter doesn't mean he doesn't care about winning and losing. Maybe I'm way off base, and he really doesn't care...

Either way. If we can get a good return for him, go ahead and trade him. We're 2-4 years away from realistically contending for the playoffs anyway, and by then he'll be over the hill.

That's the question, is he still playing at a high level?

He most definitely is. Guys he blocks almost never get pressure. He is doing his job excellently.

I think this guy had played great football the first few years. He has been pretty good to ok the last few. You don't win football games when your left freakin tackle is your franchise best player.

Our three MVPs of the new Browns:

Thomas, Cribbs an undrafted special teams guy, and Dawson
That's all the new Browns have given us. Now that's PATHETIC

No. Holding the ball too long seems apparent. No again. Fire sale or not, we are decidedly better with him. Just horrible premise.

I'd say we see what we can get for him and others. Would you have traded Hershel Walker back then? It bought the cowboys 3 titles. Are there any quality QBs in next years draft. Not that this crew is going to draft well, but we might get lucky.

As crazy as it sounds.. There were at least 3 times during the game where the announcers mentioned rumors of Mack and Thomas and the trade deadline looming

The Cowboys of yore had Jimmy Johnson making the picks. We have Ray Farmer.

Those rumors were being circulated publically well before the game started.

Considering the way we draft...I would hate to lose Thomas for a bust of a draft pick...Thomas is still elite and perhaps the best LT in the game....I can pick 30 others I'd trade away for the best draft pick offered...He's a pros pro, steers away from trouble and is classy...something few have left these days

j/c:

Only in Cleveland do we wanna bad mouth and trade a perennial Pro Bowler, a guy who has never missed a game or even a freaking snap, and who will end up a first ballot HOFer.

It's really dumb.

I hope by morning that you are embarrassed you made this thread.

It would be doing him a favor.

Not if he doesn't want to leave. And Thomas has given every indication that he wants to play his whole career in Cleveland.

Sad Sad day in Browntown when this is a thread.

No, Joe Thomas has been the best player this team has seen in years and years of crap #1 picks.

best case scenario for us turning this team around is another 4 years. That's only if they find the second coming of Bill Walsh. So trading JT for a really good pick now is not a terrible idea. But, as someone wisely pointed out, if we get a first rounder and Farmer uses it on a head case bust, which he is likely to do, then we take yet another step back.
Also, if we need to develop a QB, having that left tackle slot solidified is a plus, even if the guy is in Canton by the time we get to .500.

You'll never get equal value back for him.

Draft picks are nice, and a first round pick sounds really nice, even a top ten pick sounds really really nice...

But are you ready to give up your best player who also is dependable and durable for the possibility of another Justin Gilbert?

The only way I'd give up Thomas was for a QB or for the #1 overall pick. In either case the other party wouldn't do it.

You would need a perfect scenario of a Brees/Rivers situation, and it's just never going to happen.

What I would like to see traded away is the awful sportstalk-caller take of "you know, what does Joe Thomas think of this!!!??" every time we lose. As if we owe Joe Thomas something because the team is bad. Sure, I would love to see him get to the playoffs, but I don't feel bad for him. The Browns are paying him handsomely. He has a nice life. His body for the most part is ok. No knee injuries, no concussion issues. Joe is fine.

If you're going to feel bad, feel bad for the group of fans who stick behind this team who are a bit younger than I (34). Those people have seen absolutely nothing. They have been rewarded with nothing.

I could write a book on horrible Browns sports talk caller takes. Feeling sory for Joe Thomas is right up there with "WHAT WOULD MIKE TOMLIN THINK OF THIS???""

I live for post game call in shows, especialy when we lose.

Congratulations----on posting the worst thread in the history of this message board. Kudos.

If I could get a good return for Thomas, I would trade him.

We can win 2-5 games consistently with him. We aren't improving. We need great players at the playmaker positions, and OL is not one of them. We need competent OL, but honestly, right now, I am questioning how competent any of them are after watching them leak pressure left and right today. (and not for the 1st time this year either)

I dunno. I am irritated and frustrated right now.

We are going to draft a QB. Do we want some random rookie or free agent blocking for that guy, or the best pass blocking left tackle in the league?

Does it matter?

We get our QBs killed, and we can't run block with him. Does it matter if we have someone else there?

Actually I have been thinking about this a bit .... and I wonder about something:

Thomas is a very laid back, "whatever happens, happens" kind of guy. He has said that he wants to stay here even if we never win while he's here. I do wonder if that's not part of the problem with this team. I am not blaming him entirely ..... but I wonder if his mindset doesn't contribute to the problems.

McCown is getting killed because he holds the ball forever. Most of his big hits are him tucking the ball and running or him holding the ball till the last minute and then throwing it.

Manziel and Hoyer were both hurt in scrambles.

Our pass protection is at the very bottom on the list of problems.

And yes, it matters. Even if our QB "gets killed," he will get "less killed" because Thomas is on the team.

We need more talent, not less. There are no players that we can draft with a pick that we would get for Thomas that will be more talented than him. The idea of trading him is among the worst ever floated by the media and by members of this board.

Just say no to PCP bro

You wanna trade Thomas and entrust Farmer w/making the pick. Genius.

Keep JT. Nobody has given us this much. Thread is shameful. Another Cleveland HOFer. Show SOME class.