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Should the Browns take Bernie Kosar up on his offer to clean up their mess?

By Mary Kay Cabot
The Plain Dealer
November 09, 2015


CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Bernie Kosar has seen enough and he can't take it anymore. He wants to run the Browns and clean up the mess that is this 2-7 team.

Should owner Jimmy Haslam take him up on his offer?

"I want to do this, OK?" Kosar said on "Tailgate 19" Sunday morning on WOIO Cleveland 19 with Tony Zarrella. "And I'll fire myself if we are not a competitive NFL team within a year or two."

The Browns have gone 3-13 since moving into a first-place tie with the Steelers last season at 6-3.

Kosar, who's been critical of Haslam and the current regime, ripped the losing culture under Haslam, who has gone 17-33 since he officially took over on Oct. 22, 2012.

"This is about a way of being, what you stand for," said Kosar, who was replaced before last season as the Browns' TV analyst on preseason games. "I'm not blaming the effort from the players. I'm not blaming the effort from the coaches. This is from the beginning, and I feel like a broken record, this is not lobbying to pick on people. But this is a cultural, systemic issue."

He indicated the new-era Browns have been pathetic.

"This is 16-plus years and this is unacceptable," Kosar said. "I'm not trying to pick on people. This is not arrow [directed at someone]. This is factual statements that this is not acceptable. This is not professional football."

Kosar said the new regime is more about branding than winning.

"I see this stuff standing for a marketing logo instead of a football team or a football organization, and I'm tired of it," Kosar said.

He feels for some of the team's star players, who have given their hearts to this team.

"It is not fair what we're doing to the Joe Hadens, the Joe Thomases, the Alex Macks, the guys that really have the gifted ability," Kosar said. "I want to at least help because you have to have accountability," Kosar said. "You have to take complete responsibility."

So what do you think? Should the Browns hire Kosar and let him run the show?


Vote in poll here
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/11/should_the_browns_take_bernie.html

This is a joke, right?

Not only has Kosar never been involved with an NFL front office, but he has been out of the league for decades. Add to that the problems he's had in his personal life and you have a recipe for disaster.

Mary Kay is getting worse. She's close to embarrassing.

It's click bait. There is a segment of fans who will always worship Kosar and think he can fix the team. They will always click on any link that has his name.

It's also lazy journalism. She listens to him on the radio and crafts a story out of it for the PD?

To even float this crazy idea in a legit media outlet shows her lack of common sense.

i'd hire him as a QB coach, maybe OC.

Who was responsible for firing him as the preseason game color guy?

Is John Elway a joke in Denver?

hmmmm

I'll say this, I don't think it would be possible for him to be worse than what we have. Though it is Cleveland.....

Ditto. Like they say, when you're already on the floor you can't fall any more. There's only "up".

+1. If Kosar's private life were stable he may have been working for the Browns years ago.

I may trust him picking a QB more than Farmer..

The QB is our biggest issue...All Bernie has to do is find the team the right QB..

As the Allstate guy would say ..."are you in good hands ?"

I like Bernie. I'd rather the Browns be terrible with people I like than be terrible with outsiders I don't like.

Sort of how I felt about Chud. I liked Chud, he did good work here in the past, was fine with keeping him on regardless of performance.

Keeping it in the family works for me with the Browns. Even if Bernie is a complete mess, it'd be nice to have people in charge who were gigantic browns fans and not just mercenaries / businessmen.

It's a shame Brady Quinn didn't work out. Felt the same way about having him around. Succeeding with your own people is nice. Denver fans must be pretty stoked about having Elway in charge.

Memo to Mary Kay:

"Please go to writing about health and beauty products"

Bernie was fantastic doing pre season games,could tell pre snap,what was coming,and where the ball should go.
Would make a great oq or Qb coach.
Thanks art..your still twisting the daggar..how I miss the old stadium and atmosphere..even losing those close games..had the greatest times of my life..rip

John Elway's private life is not a disaster.

John Elway is a very successful business person outside of football.

John Elway is one of the best quarterbacks of all time.

John Elway was best friends with the Broncos owner.

Which of those qualities does Bernie Kosar possess?

Please write something positive about the Browns. This ginning up controversy, writing about the other team, offering judgments on JM, ignoring some good here, is all just crap. There are stories here worth writing. Just mud tossing. Can't believe you are so opposed to fair journalism IMO.

Are you told to write these nonsensical avoid the team or dis them pieces? Or do you dream them up yourself. Negative Browns stories abound.

Just asking..

did i miss something?

I think he would be a good guy to have between Haslam and the GM and Coach.

He did put together a decent Arena league team in a short period of time. He knows QB's and understands offenses.

I would not trust him with a GM or coaching job because he can fall off the wagon at any time.

Not a single one. I would not be in favor of Bernie being a gm, president etc.

I would LOVE to have him as a qb. coach. The guy knows football, from an offensive stand point. I could envision him in the film room tearing up and coaching up the qb's.

With his limited physical attributes, the guy was pure genius on the field in game situations.

Now, could he translate that into a coaching position? Who knows. Could he teach? Who knows. But, the guy did know how to read a defense....what would be open, what wouldn't, etc.

Head coach? No. GM? No. President of the club? Why? No.

Qb coach? Yeah, I could see him there.

There are not many guys (none that I know about), who just walk in and get a coaching job without experience.

I'd hire him as an offensive consultant and see where it goes.

So, you don't think Bernie could walk in and be a qb. coach? You don't think he'd be able to school a qb as far as pre snap reads?

I'm not talking a qb coach as far as mechanics, and footwork - I'm talking about sitting in the film room and saying "if you walk up to the line, in this formation, and you see this, here's where you go with the ball."

Seriously, Bernies physical limitations were huge. He couldn't run, he couldn't drop back, he had a terrible thrown motion.........the dude just knew where to go with the ball.

He seriously cannot do any worse, so why not?


Heck, hire a homeless guy.

Don't we already have a homeless guy as a consultant?

Promote him.

QB coach would be a good job for him.

Good point. He could turn us into a 3 or 4 win laughing stock.. hey, wait a minute......

It's all over facebook, WKYC.com and other TV stations websites. The story is basically the same on all of them. IT's not just MK. IT's about every beat writer that covers the Browns.

The rest of this is just a rant and not directed at you Lamp.

As for whether or not Bernie could do the job, I have doubts. But then look around. How many so called "experts" did a lousy job in the past couple of years.

What have we had since 1999, 9 Head Coaches, countless DC's and OC's and position coaches. A host of GM's and GM wanabees. Lest I forget 3 owners. (al, jr and jimmy)

And don't get me started on Blown first round picks.....Geez.

So seriously, how much worse could he really be?

Now don't take that as an endorsement for Bernie. It isn't. I'm just saying, could he do much worse than some that have been here before him?

Bernie has issues. NO DOUBT about it. I can't tell if he slurs his words due to the number of concussions he's had or if he's on the sauce or drugs. I just can't tell and I don't know that man personally so no way I have insight into that.

What I do know is that if you listened to him closely when he was doing the preseason broadcasts with Jimmy Donovan, he was able to see what was happening. He called out what defenses were going to do. And every time, he was right on.

I know he's been out of the game for 20 years now. I know that does indeed make a difference and I recognize time may have passed him by. But again, he's not wrong about what he's saying about the infrastructure and culture of the browns.

But folks, don't worry about it.. Jimmy Haslam won't hire him. It's NOT going to happen. And I'm just dandy with that.

But why belittle the guy. He sure as hell gave us some great football to watch in the 80's and 90's.

How about a little respect for what the man DID accomplish!

We have a QB coach and he seems to be doing a good job...

J/C
I think one thing often overlooked is that the powers that be might be intimidated by hiring a guy with the "legend" status that Kosar has in this city. Suppose he's hired and doesn't get the job done. Who would want to be the guy who fires Kosar? Just ask Bellichick.

I for one believe he could be huge benefit in the film room. As for being away from the game for so long, he's been watching and analyzing all along. Dick Vermiel made it work.

I'd go for for it in a heart beat except I feel haslam is holding off on a new GM until Peyten retires from football.

the problem is that nobody has defined what "the job" would be. I don't think he wants (or expects) to be GM.. so he would be some kind of adviser with no authority... except he is kind of a fan favorite "Browns legend" and some would think that's enough. So if the acting GM didn't listen to him, it would only cause a rift... I just don't see how it would work in practice.

While I appreciate his passion and his wanting to help.. what we need is a GM to draft like the Raiders have drafted the last few years and we should be ok... if that's Bernie, so be it.. but that's what we need.

J/C

How is this idea any worse or far-fetched than the Facebook petition to have fans buy the Browns?

I'm with Purp....he literally can't be any worse than what we have. While we're at it make the homeless guy the GM and buy him a subscription to Lindy's and a dartboard. Might as well *shrugs*.

I'd probably start by firing all the damn scouts whose reports keep leading to such horrible picks in the draft.

I think that they should put me in charge.

I have experience in management, and in turning around poor performing stores and restaurants ....

I know how to set an agenda, and goals ..... and how to change a mindset from failure to success.

I would only charge $1 million/year to start.

How much worse could I be? If nothing else, I'd save the old man some cash.

ok.

what has peyton done to make anybody believe he can evaluate talent, on both sides of the ball? i don't understand this idea of letting peyton run the team. an OC, or maybe a HC, sure. but not GM.

Like we have had for the past 17 years?

I kind of view Peyton the same way I view Larry Bird in basketball.. I think he would be a better GM than a coach.

And he doesn't have to do all of the talent evaluation, he just has to take all of the information given and make final decisions.

Funny though, I heard Phil Savage on the radio talking about the ripple effect of firing people all the time, it goes down into the scouting ranks as well... his example was, do you think there is ANYBODY in the Patriots organization that doesn't know what kind of information Belichick wants and how he wants it? What things he values as important? His point was that you train up scouts the same way you train up players.. and firing FO people constantly never allows that to happen.