DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Should the Browns take Bernie Kosar up on his offer to clean up their mess?

I find it somewhat odd that it doesn't seem to matter who owns the Team or who's in charge. Nobody has given him a chance. You would think out of all the changes that have gone on for years that at least one would have gave him a chance. It's like he's poison and nobody wants anything to do with him.

Yes. To me. I'm the one who has never hired him.

People in the NFL never take chances on people who are "football geniuses."

It's almost like that, isn't it?

Just like here. Nobody wants to be proven wrong.

Wonder what the scoop is, and why every single one in charge has avoided him?

I think if you look around and read the posts, guys like me that prefer to look at things as the glass is half full are even tired.

It may not be totally fair to Haslam given he's owned the team for only about 2 years. He's probably still feeling his way through the mess to some degree.

But still, it actually looked like we were going to make progress after winning 7 games last year seemed like an indication that we were moving in the right direction.

Almost everyone felt comfortable with Pettine. Few of us admired the draft but lived with it (well, some did and some didn't)

Still, there was an overall positive air about the place.

Then this year happened. I was sure we'd see a leap forward for the D and maybe some regression on O. WOW,, total flop on the D and the O isn't horrible. didn't see that coming.

Anyway, they have sunk the "Good Will' Ship. So for me, bringing in a Bernie Kosar isn't the worst that can happen.

Right now, the worst that could happen may be to do nothing.

That's gotta be it.

If Kosar is as you describe him, some other NFL team would have hired him a long time ago.

You might say, "Kosar is loyal to the Browns."

I would say, "He would have taken any job because he has no money."

I have never met Bernie Kosar, but at some point you have to just conclude that people just don't want to be around him for some reason or another. It's not like he's unavailable.

I'm right there with you Bro. When I started to agree with posters like Superbrown or Vers. I knew I was in trouble I DO NOT want to go to the darkside, but I can't take much more of this either.

CFRS

My thought is that maybe you would have chosen a different word or been specific on what areas he has lost credibility on.

Because he has had issues with substances and bad business dealings, doesn't cause all of us to say he lacks credibility. Many times, recovering substance abusers are the wisest, most honest people you will ever meet. The guys have covered that he is probably too loose of a cannon to ever hold a day to day professional position of a top executive. (Is Ray Farmer Jimmy's idea of what one is? hmm...)

Many of history's top minds, world class athletes, musicians, etc... are considered unbalanced, eccentric, flippant, whatever....

Bernie has a track record with us as a brilliant guy. The troubled thing only happened after he left football. If you weren't too young you will remember him as a guy who took the most hellacious shots imaginable, while standing firm in the pocket, to do what it takes for his "chosen" team. Bernie manipulated the system in order to play for ... The Browns. He wanted us. He worked the supplemental draft angle to do it. He wanted us.

Bernie took so many cheap shots in his career I can't see how I could ever judge him for trying to deal with the pain. I broke my neck in Desert Storm, have a metal rod replacing a big section of my right leg, my other leg has a big hole in it, and I have ruptured and torn discs in my lumbar spine. I suspect he probably has to deal with more than I do. I can't imagine what it would be like to take those hits week after week, year after year. Wonder why I hate the steelroids so much? They would cheapshot Bernie into submission, trying to end his career, on every play, every game, every year. If you have a chance to watch the famous playoff game against the Jets, watch it in its entirety.

That's his credibility. Its earned.

Look on the banner up above. Nobody has ever questioned how his picture could be next to Jim Brown. Freakin Jim Brown. I guarantee you Jim wouldn't question it.

I'm not coming after you. I believe you wanted to make a point that was different than just throwing out "credibility". Bernie isn't GM material. He isn't a day to day guy. I can tell you that although he is whacky, and I think funny, he isn't a nut. When it comes to billion dollar businesses, you try not to make risky hires.

Too bad he is a loose cannon? That's reasonable. So am I.

If Kosar had any credibility as a football mind he would have been hired by an NFL (or college) team a long time ago.

It's nice that he was a great player for the team. That doesn't mean he should be hired in any capacity other than team mascot.

I wouldn't mind if Kosar ran out on the field instead of Swagger.

BS

Then why hasn't he been hired? He's doing so well financially that he can pick and choose his jobs?

Sounds logical to me that he wouldn't want to work for any other team than the Brown's. That's pretty much been his MO his whole career.

Nice

Lets add:

Easily the most accurate passer of his era.

Although lanky, gangly, the toughest sob you will ever see.

Oh one more...

Winner

And yet no one has hired him. How many different people have run this team and no one wanted to hire the guy. But it's not him.

Didn't he work for the Bears last year or something?

It's sad that a QB that had a career record of 50-48-1 is considered a winner. I get it. It's just sad.

He did.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/06/browns_legend_bernie_kosar_wor.html

So there goes the, "He'll only work for the Browns" theory.

The only people that could hire him in Clev. have been non football minds that haven't succeeded at all in the NFL. And you are the only one here saying Bernie has no credibility

I did say it would be logical. It wasn't a theory. BTW there goes your thought process that nobody wants him.

I'm waiting for anyone to show me evidence that Kosar is actually good at coaching/GMing/front officing other than, "We liked him when he played" or "He was smart when he played" or "He's from Cleveland."

Until then, Kosar is just a guy who played for the Cleveland Browns.

You know we need to hire?

Josh Cribbs, I liked him when he played. He played hard and took shots. We should hire him.

You obviously didn't read the article. He talked to the QBs for one day and went out to dinner with them. He was never hired.

So then it is logical to still think that he really only wants to work for the Brown's

No, it is logical to think that the Bears never offered him anything.

And I'm still waiting for Haslam, Farmer, Pettine to show evidence that they are Head coaching/Gming/front officing material also.

Prove it.

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He is not (and never was) employed by the Bears despite being willing to go visit their players (this shows he is willing to at least help other teams).

Haslam has lots of money

Farmer worked in scouting for many years.

Pettine coached for many years.

Kosar played football a long time ago.

Whatever. He has more credibility then what the Browns have in the FO right now.

Saying he has no credibility is BS

"It's nice that he was a great player for the team. That doesn't mean he should be hired in any capacity other than team mascot."

That is the painful truth that many Browns fans don't want to face. Just because the guy was a good player, it doesn't mean he's front office material. We don't know why he isn't, it's all speculation. But the fact that other front offices aren't touching him should tell us something. He was my favorite player as a kid, by far. I love him as a Browns player, but I have no reason to believe he'd succeed with a role within the organization.

JC.


Didn't Lerner offer him an office position, but he was going through his divorce and turned it down? And if I recall he was in talks about the same time with Miami Hurricanes about an HC job.

Yeah true all the great minds for the Brown's hire people like Farmer, Mangini, and Holmgren on speculation instead.

Is this really cfrs or did someone rip off his password and is trying to troll him?

You want to go there? OK

1985 - 1989 (1985 he is a 22 year old rookie)

Record 31-13

Playoffs 85,86,87,89 (Record was 6-3 in 88, must have been injured)

New coach 89,90 Bud Carson

(If you want to put what happened under Carson on Bernie, fine. Bernie is a man and will probably accept it)

91 New Coach (who didn't want him, its over)

Facts

And, the history as I will hold to.

31-13 + 4 Playoff Appearances out of 5 years = Winner

Nothing in the truck stop business?

"The Kosar kids are growing up. By next summer, only Joe still will be in high school, and Kosar figures he will be ready to get to some of the things he has been putting off. He spent a couple of days with the Bears during OTA practices in June. He spoke to the Bears quarterbacks about preparation, game planning and taking care of their bodies. He worked the remote control during tape review. He stood in the huddle during practice. "That was as much fun as I've had in a while," Kosar said. Some might see football as a curse to Kosar. He calls football a "gift" and gushes about his love for the game."


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I don't think he was ever applying for nor auditioning for a "job". I think he was just helping out his friend and one-time OC, Marc Trestman, who was HC of the Bears.

"Kosar may have been the least athletic player in the NFL, but he saw things few people could see. His football career was all about his brain, and he remains a "football savant" in Cornrich's estimation. Kosar still exchanges ideas on the game with a number of esteemed NFL men, including Patriots coach Bill Belichick and Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome. "He has a great mind for football," said 49ers tight ends coach Eric Mangini, who used Kosar as an unofficial consultant when he was the Browns head coach. "We'd watch tape, and he'd see some things that others wouldn't. We'd talk through coverages and cover beaters. He could take you through it. It wasn't just a concept. He gave you the read progression. It was layered stuff that you love from a coaching perspective. He had so much experience that I could ask questions, bounce ideas off him."


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Truth is, there's being smart, and then there's being a smart ass.

"He likes the idea of coaching. He could see himself in a role similar to the one former Browns head coach Rob Chudzinski has with the Colts -- a special assistant who helps with game management and big picture issues. He also likes the idea of being involved in management. He has some experience, having served as the president of football operations for the Arena league Cleveland Gladiators and a trustee for the University of Miami. He was involved in the hiring of Miami head coach Al Golden and others. "


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As I said, smart ass.

And there goes the "nobody will hire him" theory too.

I'd be curious if BK would show the same public transparent opinions for crappy players on his team that he currently shows for the Browns FO?

I mean, can you imagine him walking into a mid-season press conference and talking about how awful the WRs are or something to that effect (think his criticism of the Rams WRs in pre-season a few years back)?

Would he do that or would he be more PC about it and have his players backs?

I don't know. I could honestly seeing it go both ways.