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j/c Very interesting video of Baker last year...first half of this year...and second half of this year. Sheds a great deal of light on "holding the ball" stats and why the offense looks so disjointed (aka not doing enough to keep Baker comfortable). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx8nXTjEqhIThis same guy has one on L Jackson as well but I haven't had time to watch. This is worth the 25 minutes to watch.
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We're going to have the third best QB in the division.
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you and 15 are really demoralizing right now.
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Just calling it like it is.
And with Baker not willing to get help in the offseason it's just more confirmation that the guy's a loser.
Work hard, be professional, say little, win games.
Our QB does none of that.
And we have 98% of the board defend him.
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Just calling it like it is.
And with Baker not willing to get help in the offseason it's just more confirmation that the guy's a loser.
Work hard, be professional, say little, win games.
Our QB does none of that.
And we have 98% of the board defend him. I think you’re going to see that number plummet if he doesn’t start taking his career choice seriously enough to invest the time to become a better professional.
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And we have 98% of the board defend him. As for your claim to "call it like it is" ... nahhh - calling it like you see it with your jaundiced eyes.
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I admit I am hard on Baker...and everyone knows how much he himself needs to improve in certain areas.
However considering this team is in disarray...especially this offense...considering between Freddie and Monken...this O has looked awful (exception Chubb) I wouldn't be surprised in a vast majority of QBs wouldn't struggle with this offense...I mean this offense is so behind that even in week 15 Baker was barking at OBJ to re line him up correctly...obviously it's been difficult for even a veteran to understand...let alone a QB whom was a rookie last year...
I'm willing to wait on Baker until we get an actual coach on the field...and I'm one who said Baker reminds me of Jon Kitna, Manziel, and Fitzpatrick...
And like I said, Baker himself needs to do a lot of improving as well...Or he'll end up a journeyman instead of a franchise QB.
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I guess Rex Ryan doesn't look so stupid now
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I guess Rex Ryan doesn't look so stupid now Or Colin Cowherd. He called everything that would happen this year from Baker on down to the team. He hedged and had the Browns in the playoffs but he called them a fraternity house with no maturity at the beginning of the year. Said last year was Baker's ceiling.
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I guess Rex Ryan doesn't look so stupid now Rex Ryan always looks stupid.
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I guess Rex Ryan doesn't look so stupid now Or Colin Cowherd. He called everything that would happen this year from Baker on down to the team. He hedged and had the Browns in the playoffs but he called them a fraternity house with no maturity at the beginning of the year. Said last year was Baker's ceiling. And there you have it.... Colin Cowhered (Shock Jock extraordinaire) said it .... must be true! LOL and yes, Rex Ryan is a moron.
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I guess Rex Ryan doesn't look so stupid now Or Colin Cowherd. He called everything that would happen this year from Baker on down to the team. He hedged and had the Browns in the playoffs but he called them a fraternity house with no maturity at the beginning of the year. Said last year was Baker's ceiling. Colin Cowherd was so wrong on Baker last year that I'm surprised anyone knows what he's had to say about Baker since then. The problem with this year - in addition to sucking - is that it answered so few questions...except where it confirmed problems. Good answers surrounding Chubb and Hunt..Bad answers about how the OL will perform and the impact of the new coordinators...no answer on Baker's immediate future and how Landry/OBJ will co-exist inside the team dynamic. It's a lost year on multiple fronts.
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Cowherd actually said Baker was going to be the best QB of that class year 1 due to his age and number of years of college experience.
Cowherd nailed everything about the Browns this year except the Browns making the playoffs. So the one good thing he had to say he was wrong about.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/browns-baker-ma...-195337203.htmlBrowns' Baker Mayfield declares he won't work with throwing coach in offseasonEarlier this year, in the New England Patriots’ bye week between the end of the regular season and their first playoff game in the divisional round, Tom Brady spent some time with his personal throwing coach, Tom House. The then-41-year-old, five-time Super Bowl-winning, three-time NFL MVP had just wrapped an 11-5 regular season that saw him complete 65.8 percent of his passes with 29 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. He told Boston radio station WEEI at the time that “football is always about technique and fundamentals and the more sound you are — in the bigger games you need to be as sound as possible.” Brady and the Patriots went on to beat the Los Angeles Rams in Super Bowl LIII. Brady turned to House, a former Major League Baseball pitcher who also works with Drew Brees and Matt Ryan among other NFL quarterbacks, after his longtime throwing guru, Tom Martinez, died in 2012. Here it is: Mayfields own quotes: “ I already know what exactly I need to work on and improve going forward,”“I do not need somebody to teach me how to do a three-step drop,” Mayfield said. “I can look at film and be critical of myself. Time to move on....TRADE HIM ASAP This kid has no heart, and he isn't willing to put in the time it takes to become a better QB. More importantly he isn't coachable, he already has everything figured out remember? He knows exactly what he needs to do. Mayfield is a LOSER and we would be wise to trade him now while he still has value. He isn't coachable, he won't listen, he simply doesn't get it. He thinks he knows more than guys like Tom House that are responsible for some of the great NFL Qb like Tom Brady Move on, get this loser out of here, he isn't willing to put in the time it takes to be a QB, we don't have time for him.
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Baker not working out with a QB coach in the off-season is alarming. Peyton Manning set the standard, now everyone has to do what he did. If you don't you are falling short.
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I'm not giving up on Baker, but man next year is a big year for him
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Cowherd actually said Baker was going to be the best QB of that class year 1 due to his age and number of years of college experience.
Cowherd nailed everything about the Browns this year except the Browns making the playoffs. So the one good thing he had to say he was wrong about. That's revisionist history and manipulation by Cowherd. Saying he's nailed everything about Baker is such a giant lie it's not funny. CC has hated everything about Baker - or least-ways he has trashed him every opportunity he has ever had. He said he was no better than a 3rd round pick .... so you suggesting CC now claims that Baker was going to be the best in his rookie season is pure fiction.
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Funny, cause this season he definitely played like he was drafted in the 3rd round.
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I would ask everyone to remember that Baker , at this point , is part of a very dysfunctional Organization . And he is still a kid !
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Pretty sure Cowherd said Baker was undraftable.
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I would ask everyone to remember that Baker , at this point , is part of a very dysfunctional Organization . And he is still a kid ! Baker Mayfield will be 25 in April.
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At my age that is still a kid ..lol .. Only two years of Pro-Ball , yep , Youngster..
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So first it was Lamar Jackson that first made the playoffs from the 2018 qb draft class.
Now it’s Lamar and josh Allen.
Who will make it next? Baker or Darnold?
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So first it was Lamar Jackson that first made the playoffs from the 2018 qb draft class.
Now it’s Lamar and josh Allen.
Who will make it next? Baker or Darnold? Don't forget Josh Rosen!
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You think Flores will back Rosen? They did spend a 2nd on him, and maybe saved him from disaster this season on purpose.
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You think Flores will back Rosen? They did spend a 2nd on him, and maybe saved him from disaster this season on purpose. Replace Brady with Rosen. Prosper. (I was joking.)
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I would ask everyone to remember that Baker , at this point , is part of a very dysfunctional Organization . And he is still a kid ! That's why he should have been benched 10 games ago... The kid is rattled and can't handle pressure, he is just playing awful.
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Jimmy Haslam talked about utilizing Baker Mayfield properly with formations and certain play calls. When the Browns ran a play action boot, they were successful on 73.7%, best in the NFL by a large margin (10.6%). They ran it the 4th fewest times in the NFL https://twitter.com/JohnKosko3/status/1213087842685112324
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Jimmy Haslam talked about utilizing Baker Mayfield properly with formations and certain play calls. When the Browns ran a play action boot, they were successful on 73.7%, best in the NFL by a large margin (10.6%). They ran it the 4th fewest times in the NFL https://twitter.com/JohnKosko3/status/1213087842685112324 All Fredded up...
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Jimmy Haslam talked about utilizing Baker Mayfield properly with formations and certain play calls. When the Browns ran a play action boot, they were successful on 73.7%, best in the NFL by a large margin (10.6%). They ran it the 4th fewest times in the NFL https://twitter.com/JohnKosko3/status/1213087842685112324 Maybe it worked so well because it was such a surprise to the defense that we used it. Caught them off guard.
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When a new coach takes over, and he has a system, he has to find out what parts of his system a QB can, and cannot run.
I can't remember off hand which coach said it, I think it might have been Bill Walsh, but his point was that a QB could never learn his system (WCO, IIRC) in a year or 2. It took 3 to 4 years for a QB to become proficient. However, that wouldn't work here .... because unless the arrow goes almost straight upward, the coach is gone.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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The fact this team didn't run play action, regardless of who the QB was behind center, is mind-boggling. The fact it wasn't run enough w/ Baker is, well, fireable.
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The way I read that Tweet is that the ones that are confident in him aren't many. Also, the fact that we're already talking about fixing Baker is horrifying.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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The way I read that Tweet is that the ones that are confident in him aren't many. Also, the fact that we're already talking about fixing Baker is horrifying. It depends on how many "some" is. Some could be twenty, it could be four.
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Agreed. I didn't want to make it sound like I was asserting anything, only how I, personally, read the Tweet.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Look at him next to Rex. Baker ain't fat.
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