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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
We have no need for him.

We're past the point of chasing shiny objects


I don't want to short change the guy, he's still a talent no doubt. But like you say, we don't need him.


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OBJ won't be going anywhere in 21



Hope not. OBJ is one of our keys, if not THE key, to success. I'm trading Jarvis before I trade OBJ. Julio and OBJ.... we would be unstoppable. One can dream.

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I am happy with our receiver group.

Julio is a great receiver. I do not question that. He is also 32 years old and making $22m.

On top of paying him. We would have to give up high draft picks.

I don't see the fit for Julio in Cleveland.

Jarvis produces. Plus he is a huge factor in the locker room. He brings leadership.

OBJ has the talent. He has to stay on the field. Higgins just produces and does it at low cost.

DPJ could be coal turning to diamond.

Schwartz is speed plus. He is in right place to reach his potential.

We also have Hodge and Willies guys who have potential.

We don't need Julio. We need the money and draft assets.

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I would consider trading OBJ for Julio and a 2nd, definitely do it for Julio and a 1st.


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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater

We're past the point of chasing shiny objects

Brady and Gronk tossed a shiny object between two boats last year.


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Why?

Why take on that salary and give up a first?

We have plenty of options on offense.

We run a lot. We have TE depth with players who catch passes. We throw to running backs.

I just do not see the need.

For some teams he would fit. Not us.

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Originally Posted By: Jester
I would consider trading OBJ for Julio and a 2nd, definitely do it for Julio and a 1st.



So would most. The problem is Atlanta is looking for picks, not swapping receivers and giving up a pick.


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Don't get distracted...we are not a passing team we are a Running team that can pass. We don't need to get another WR that would put pressure on Stefanski to pass more.
Running is our key not OBJ


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I agree. I see a lot more downside with trading for Julio Jones than I do upside. Very little value if any in making the trade.

He's 32 and that left hamstring of his is one quick burst away from exploding.

The Browns would be stuck with his contract for this season and next before it made sense to release him. He'll make $23M this year and $19M in 2022. Whereas, the Browns can deep six OBJ after this season and save $15M if things do not work out. OBJ is also 4 years younger than Julio Jones. All this, let alone giving up a 1st or 2nd for him as part of the deal.

This is not the type of move I see Berry making.




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Browns WR room is fine. ehh--

Browns Wr room is not suffering from a lack of Julio Jones problem.

Browns Wrs may be suffereing from a, not admitting Schwartz was a bad decision needs to be moved on from and reversed as soon as possible,
and all the time it takes to eventually realize this is time he keeps a real WR out of the lineup problem

and they have too much pride to show backtracking from a 3rd round pick, yet the end result is the whole group is worse, until then,

But that may be still 50/50. 50/50 that's not the case, 50/50 it is. frown


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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
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I would consider trading OBJ for Julio and a 2nd, definitely do it for Julio and a 1st.



So would most. The problem is Atlanta is looking for picks, not swapping receivers and giving up a pick.


And Julio Jones is way better than OBJ at this point.

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The first and second round were spent on defense. Which was a need.

Look into third round picks.

There is no reverse. The pick was made for a number of reasons which apparently you don't get.

Berry saw what he wanted in Schwartz. A guy who could threaten with vertical routes. A guy who who could be used in jet sweeps. Someone who will open the rest of the field.

Third round picks are guys they look to develop.

That has nothing to do with the rest of the receivers????

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not admitting Schwartz was a bad decision needs to be moved on from and reversed as soon as possible,
and all the time it takes to eventually realize this is time he keeps a real WR out of the lineup problem


Is that your opinion or Ms Cleo's?


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Originally Posted By: bonefish

Why?

Why take on that salary and give up a first?


Re-read what I wrote. I wouldn't be giving up OBJ and a pick. I would be getting Julio and a pick. I would not trade OBJ for Julio straight up. Talent wise I think they are fairly equivalent and both miss a fair number of games due to injury. The only substantial fiffernce is their salaries. Julio gets paid more. For me to take on the difference in salary I would need Atlanta to throw in a pick. At minimum it would take a 2nd. I think Atlanta will be picking top 10 next year. If they were willing to give up their 1st rounder I would have a hard time passing on that deal.


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The Falcons want picks.

You can offer all day long.

They are doing this to get picks and trim money

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I never said they would do it. I would demand picks to take on his salary if we are giving them OBJ.

If we aren't giving them OBJ then I see no reason to add Julio to this team


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I would just want Julio off my team and out of my locker room. Just might want too much for the Falcons. I don't want him polluting us.


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Originally Posted By: Bard Dawg
I would just want Julio off my team and out of my locker room. Just might want too much for the Falcons. I don't want him polluting us.


Julio Jones has been zero drama his entire career until he requested a trade from a team that wants to trade him this off-season.

Realistically I know there is no way we trade for him. But in a world where we can just swap talents at this point in their careers I’m taking Jones ten out of ten times over OBJ.

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All of this OBJ stuff is crazy talk.

The guy is only 28 and is elite. Aside from the part where he is effectively untradeable right now for a number of reasons, it would be FOOLISH to trade him, especially for a WR that is four years older and will be beginning that downhill slide sooner than later.


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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I would consider trading OBJ for Julio and a 2nd, definitely do it for Julio and a 1st.



So would most. The problem is Atlanta is looking for picks, not swapping receivers and giving up a pick.


No way

And Julio Jones is way better than OBJ at this point.


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Originally Posted By: eotab
Don't get distracted...we are not a passing team we are a Running team that can pass. We don't need to get another WR that would put pressure on Stefanski to pass more.
Running is our key not OBJ



100% don't agree with you here. I wouldn't say we are a running team or a passing team. We are what is dictated.

I don't believe there is any pressure on Stefanski to throw the ball. The issue we had last season is we lacked that deep threat. We did an amazing job in the KC game and why Baker is an elite passer in this league, but if we have that deep threat it is a game changer.

OBJ and Jones would be elite. OBJ or Jones and Jarvis doesn't offer that same kind of eliteness. I also don't buy that Jarvis is this great leader. I would love to see what Baker would do with a big target like Julio. I would offer Landry and offer Hooper back to them as well as throw in a 2nd. Julio is that good. But Atlanta wouldn't do it.

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Originally Posted By: Bard Dawg
I would just want Julio off my team and out of my locker room. Just might want too much for the Falcons. I don't want him polluting us.



Jarvis is far more of a pollutant than Jones would be.

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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
All of this OBJ stuff is crazy talk.

The guy is only 28 and is elite. Aside from the part where he is effectively untradeable right now for a number of reasons, it would be FOOLISH to trade him, especially for a WR that is four years older and will be beginning that downhill slide sooner than later.


He’s also coming off a torn ACL. I love having OBJ on the team. Trading for Julio Jones is not realistic. Jones is objectively better than OBJ. That doesn’t mean OBJ is bad.

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The biggest thing with OBJ is if he can STAY healthy.

Dude looks good. you can see him practice. He plants and breaks just as good as he did before the injury.

He's a dude who has been plagued with injuries. He needs to do what he can to protect himself and make it through a season without getting banged up.

I don't get the hate behind schwartz. The kid catches the ball away from his body. Has soft hands... and is a burner. He'll only improve with vice grips on the team.

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Obviously, I don't believe either will be traded at this time. Landry is the more logical choice, however. And I believe "vice grips" has proven he's far from having "vice grips." If we don't make a move at WR the teams hopes and dreams rest in whomever can become that deep threat for Baker. If we are relying on Schwartz we might be in trouble. And I agree, a healthy OBJ is key. If he's injured again we could also be in trouble. However, I fully expect him to win comeback player of the year.... We have one of the best deep ball passers in the league, don't waste it.

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j/c:

Like most said, it doesn't seem realistic to be trading for Jones. Besides trading their injured WR for our injured WR could be a net zero move so I don't get it for either team.

Atlanta will be going through a rebuild. They don't want OBJ. They want picks, younger players, etc. Those are assets I don't want to be giving up.


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Julio is a great player.

But I see no way that the Browns are going to pay him $22m.

There are only so many offensive plays in a game. The Browns have plenty of guys who should get touches.

The Browns offensively are not a problem.

They will need to spread the money all over the roster in the future.


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Just clicking..

Have the Browns made any comment about Julio Jones? I mean I don't remember them saying anything..

All this speculation about trading for Jones is fueled by reporters that have nothing else to talk about so they just make stuff up.


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Aaron Rodgers for Julio Jones and Matt Ryan- Just throwing it out there. It would probably require some financial wizardry, but it could make sense as far as on the field and "appeasing"/getting rid of guys that seem to want out.


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Right now with both julio and OBJ back to health...I would take OBJ over Julio. The our offense is built is powerful low to the ground quick football. Short striders is our match. OBJ knows our offense and has some good reps history with Baker.

jmho Our miss matches with size will be done with our TEs.



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Originally Posted By: Damanshot
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Have the Browns made any comment about Julio Jones? I mean I don't remember them saying anything..

All this speculation about trading for Jones is fueled by reporters that have nothing else to talk about so they just make stuff up.


I agree.

The team probably wouldn't say anything about a player even if they were seriously considering him in trade, but this is just balderdash.


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Originally Posted By: devicedawg
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Don't get distracted...we are not a passing team we are a Running team that can pass. We don't need to get another WR that would put pressure on Stefanski to pass more.
Running is our key not OBJ



100% don't agree with you here. I wouldn't say we are a running team or a passing team. We are what is dictated.

I don't believe there is any pressure on Stefanski to throw the ball.


I agree with you here 100%.

In 2020 the Browns had 501 passing attempts and 495 rushing attempts. That's as balanced as an NFL offense can get. That doesn't scream passing or running offense. I said that's how it would play out before last season began when most said we would be a running team and even after the evidence is obvious people are repeating the same thing going into this season. In several games we were playing with the lead in the second half which would actually give the advantage into thinking we would have rushed more than we passed.

We are a team built to do both which gives you the opportunity to take advantage of mismatches and your opponents weaknesses on the field whether they are in the oppositions passing game or running game. Our game plan has fluctuated predicated on this.

Many teams do not have such a luxury. As such they are forced to "build an identity" based on their strong suit because they lack an overall balance on offense. To me the term "build an identity" is just a favorable way of saying "We only do one thing well so we are going to focus on that."

Luckily we don't have to do that.


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Originally Posted By: Bull_Dawg
Aaron Rodgers for Julio Jones and Matt Ryan- Just throwing it out there. It would probably require some financial wizardry, but it could make sense as far as on the field and "appeasing"/getting rid of guys that seem to want out.


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I agree and disagree. I think it depends on the situation. If you're just seriously wishing to unload a player I think it's in your favor to leak that you're looking to trade him. It will bring in a lot of offers. If nothing else, just contacting a lot of teams would increase the odds of a leak. The more people who know the greater the odds are someone opens their mouth.

Now as it pertains to trading one of your players only if the proper opportunity presents itself, I agree with you. In that situation you don't want the word getting out. That opportunity may not come along and for the sake of keeping that player dedicated and focused, you wouldn't want him to know that he's being considered for a trade.

When and if that opportunity does present itself, then and only then would you contact a single team and explore the possibilities.


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When I said "considering him in trade" that connotates a player on another team we might want to bring in.

If we are after a player, we don't say much about that. Sometimes it leaks, usually by a player agent that several teams are in the running, but I don't think we let that slip.


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Originally Posted By: Bull_Dawg
Aaron Rodgers for Julio Jones and Matt Ryan- Just throwing it out there. It would probably require some financial wizardry, but it could make sense as far as on the field and "appeasing"/getting rid of guys that seem to want out.


That won't help Atlantas CAP hell...


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Really? Based on what?

How is jarvis a problem?

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I'm referencing that Landry was a much much bigger risk than taking on Julio Jones. Landry was a problem in Miami.

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As much as any player the Browns have. Jarvis has been a leader of the culture change in Cleveland.

He produced in Miami. I can not speak to his time there. I can only go by his time here.

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