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bonefish #1872898 07/29/21 01:48 PM
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I think this whole employee owner thing has gone to far, and I think employees under right to work have lost any protection from abusive employers, in general. It's not enough to go to a job and put in a good day of work with the expectation that you will be listened to and treated with some level of respect.
The way things work today and employee after having worked somewhere for decades can be fired for reason or no reason at all. An employee can be required to train his replacement then once that training is complete the employer can fire that person regardless of how long they have worked at their job, and regardless if they do a great job or not. The system is set in place that if this happens the employee has no recourse.

The employer can adopt any rule they like whether he agrees to it or not and lose his ability to feed himself and his family. Hell I have signed a few non disclosures over the years employees aren't required to advise you that you will be required to sign and agree to a non disclosure until you report to work. Here is the deal the non disclosure agreement was set in place decades ago to protect trade secrets and cliental information now they are used as a form of further enslavement. People will say that you can refuse to sign, but in that process you will also not be able to feed yourself or your family. I digress though why aren't employers required to disclose and provide a job candidate with a copy of their non disclosure prior to taking the job. And why has this document been allowed to be used for all employees regardless of whether they are actually going to be handling sensitive information or NOT?

Rogers in ways I could never express myself has very effectively communicated his position. I actually don't like the guy I always thought he was sorta arrogant but he is 1000% right. He should be listened to he has put his heart and soul into helping the Packers be championship caliber, without him their trash, is it to much to have a voice to be considered? But it goes beyond Rogers and lands with all of us we are treated like slaves and that is what this is all about in reality. And you know what they own him, own him, in a supposed free country someone owns him. SMH


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Pretty complicated topic.

Goes back to the days of the "company store", miners, and unions.

Greed and profit is the oxygen of business. And for that matter politics.

Reality is not all people are treated the same.

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Nor do all employers treat their employees the same. Making blanket statements about, well, almost anything, is dangerous territory.


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Originally Posted By: bonefish

Pretty complicated topic.

Goes back to the days of the "company store", miners, and unions.

Greed and profit is the oxygen of business. And for that matter politics.

Reality is not all people are treated the same.


In a round about way that is my point, and that is why we have laws and oversight, but when it comes to companies setting policies they can disregard anything they choose and the law protects them, but not the little guy who is expected to play along or starve.

It's not that every or even a majority of employers act in a abusive way, it's that the worker has no protection if they do.


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It wasn't long ago that people were making the argument that Baker had too MUCH say in FO decisions. As I hear more of the conversation (especially from Rogers) I'm getting more and more sympathetic to his side of the argument.


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JMHO, the world doesn't take care of most folks well. We, in US, are so spoiled it's unbelievable. Rogers is a worker, he's over 50 in football years (Brady doesn't count) and management has already drafted his possible replacement. SO, what? in the big scheme how much does an entertainer contribute to the greater good- more than teacher, cop, preacher, a doctor- heck, no. All those folks are way more important. These millionaires, earning more than a million a game- hope they're doing lots of good with the dough.....NONE of them are worth what they are paid, just like the business big shots....the world ain't fair.


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You could say that about a lot of professions and positions in business. CEO compensation has grown by 940% since 1978.

But the fact of the matter is we live in a free market society. As such you are worth whatever the market is willing to pay. In regards to NFL QB's the skill set is rare which makes them in demand. Their performance lines the pockets of billionaires which seem more than willing to make them multi millionaires.

More power to them.


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So Rodgers said he was vaxxed but he's not vaxxed and now has covid. The earliest he can be back is a week from Saturday.

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What a dumb ass. As far as I know in the NFL you either have to be vaccinated or undergo weekly testing. I wonder if he was lying to avoid the testing? If so I wonder how the NFL will handle that?


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Chiefs luck out and will get a win now. Bad for the Browns and wild card chase.

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I was going to "Like" that but it's too painful.

Steelers get Seahawks w/o Wilson AND a bye before they played us...Chiefs get GB without AR and we will play GB on Christmas at their place with (likely) homefield advantage on the line for them.

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Originally Posted by Milk Man
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i've gotten sick of aaron. im a huge fan of his, but damn this dude seems to be the kyrie irving of the nfl.


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Someone on twitter said exactly that, and it blew my mind how I didn't think of that sooner.


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Kyrie Irving with a man-bun, mind you.


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Originally Posted by dawglover05
Kyrie Irving with a man-bun, mind you.


dude been eating the wrong kind of edibles.


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Originally Posted by Swish
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Kyrie Irving with a man-bun, mind you.


dude been eating the wrong kind of edibles.

You know when a white non buddhist is visiting the Dalai Lama that that person loves the smell of their own farts.

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IMO Rodgers is one the best to ever play quarterback.

But this "I was immunized" is a complete load of crap. I have lost respect for him.

Cousins came out and voiced his opinion and followed procedures. Aaron lied and didn't.

His teammates have to look at him and go "what's up dude." You are the leader of the team. We are fighting for home field advantage.

And now you pull this BS and it could cost us games.

Rodgers is walking around hugging coaches and players putting them at risk. Inconsiderate and selfish.

This will be followed closely by everyone in the league. There are rules. Just because you are great player does not mean they don't apply to you.

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Rodgers was at a Halloween party Sunday indoors with no mask unvaccinated.

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I don't know how others take this but I have a problem with it.

Given all that went on last year with covid and all that has been done since.

The league has gone through hoops to try and make the players and staff safe. I mean damn look at all that went on last year.

Policy was put into place about what you have to do if you decide not to get vaccinated.

Clearly Rodgers feels it does not apply to him.

Inconsiderate of others and selfish to the max. He needs to come out and own up.

If he believes he is above the league and all who follow the rules. He should retire or he should be suspended.

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The only thing that's worse than Rodgers giving the middle finger to the COVID rules is when the NFL is going to turn a blind eye to it (especially after they were running after teams like the Bills in pre-season).


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Or the club/team will be penalized. All men are equal, but some are more equal than others. Made a decision and wanted attention for that.
Be careful what you wish for. I respect his right to determine what is right or right enough by his metrics. But like I tried to teach my students, I support your right to have free speech, but it does NOT give you a license and immunity from consequences. We assure that you can stand up for your notions, Let you state and debate them, but you also may needs be taking whatever lumps and consequences ensue. That willingness to take your licks for what you believe validates this convictions, just like our Transcendentalists and civil disobedience. So many felt they should be above all consequences while they had a blanket license to ride, and to say or do anything and be held blameless.

I would argue that we might consider how we might be improved by more consequences for our duly exercised freedoms.


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Originally Posted by oobernoober
The only thing that's worse than Rodgers giving the middle finger to the COVID rules is when the NFL is going to turn a blind eye to it (especially after they were running after teams like the Bills in pre-season).

The Packers should definitely get a harsh punishment. Rodgers is unvaccinated hasn't been following the protocols for unvaccinated individuals inside a team facility.

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I am waiting for the hypocrisy.

But, you know there are a bunch of teams that will paying close attention.

I was sympathic to his position with the Packers in his dispute.

No longer.

Don't know the guy so I have to go by his actions. He is not a person who does not think things through. He is a planner.

He knew precisely what he was doing.


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Originally Posted by bonefish
I don't know how others take this but I have a problem with it.

Given all that went on last year with covid and all that has been done since.

The league has gone through hoops to try and make the players and staff safe. I mean damn look at all that went on last year.

Policy was put into place about what you have to do if you decide not to get vaccinated.

Clearly Rodgers feels it does not apply to him.

Inconsiderate of others and selfish to the max. He needs to come out and own up.

If he believes he is above the league and all who follow the rules. He should retire or he should be suspended.

The NFL should follow the State Farm lead and tell him that there's no special Rodgers rate.....and suspend his arse. He lied and didn't follow protocol. What more do they need to know?


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I want to see the vaccination card from Rodgers.

Yeah, that probably is not going to happen.

Suspend him, Fine him… He was irresponsible and he knows it..


There will be no playoffs. Can’t play with who we have out there and compounding it with garbage playcalling and worse execution. We don’t have good skill players on offense period. Browns 20 - Bears 17.

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On the bright side. Rodgers parents and siblings are now glad that Rodgers doesn't talk to them anymore. blush


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Rodgers likes Rogan
Got bad medical advice
What a stupid dude

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I saw clips of his interview on the Pat Macafee show, and I am all questions right now. I think swish said it first on here, but the guy is a looney tune, but moreso a total narcissist. Where were all these strong feelings and beliefs before? He's not going to be done over by woke culture, but he's just going to lie about a hot-button issue and give a giant finger to these NFL rules?

Grade A turd.


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Just saw it a little bit ago. I had no idea he was that much of a douche. This was an agreed upon set of rules between the NFL and the players union who actually represents all of the players including Rodgers. What he did was to deny mentioning any of that and using the political card.

Green Bay star Aaron Rodgers blames 'woke mob' for targeting him after unvaccinated QB tested positive for COVID: Says he's fighting infection with Ivermectin on the advice of podcaster Joe Rogan

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-woke-mob-targeting-vaccine-status.html



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The way I would describe McAfee's attitude towards someone he's interviewing is not at all appropriate and would result in a well-earned suspension. Is he always like that?


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I have no idea. I've never watched his show before. I just saw a few isolated clips and wanted to see the full interview in context. In totality it was even worse than the isolated clips I had seen.


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Read a summary and quotes from the interview.

Guy is trying to be the victim and make this political - totally lost respect for him. Douche all the way.


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JMHO, the world doesn't take care of most folks well. We, in the US, are so spoiled it's unbelievable. Rogers is a worker, he's over 50 in football years (Brady doesn't count) and management has already drafted his possible replacement. SO, what? in the big scheme how much does an entertainer contribute to the greater good- more than teacher, cop, preacher, a doctor- heck, no. All those folks are way more important. These millionaires, earning more than a million a game- hope they're doing lots of good with the dough.....NONE of them are worth what they are paid, just like the business big shots....the world ain't fair.
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So Rodgers said he was vaxxed but he's not vaxxed and now has covid. The earliest he can be back is a week from Saturday.


He never said he was vaxxed. He told the media that he's "immunized", which I found to be a peculiar choice of words at the time, now we know why.

The NFL has known he's not vaccinated from the get go so there will be no punishment assigned.

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The NFL should just MANDATE it.


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Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
The NFL should just MANDATE it.
The government should mandate that anybody who is physically able must get a job.


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And that will end the pandemic how? Come on man, I agree people should be productive adults, but forced work is slavery bro. Just saying. Forced vaccination is nothing new in America. See Pollio and Smallpox for more on the subject. And they are trying to let these guys go unvaccinated as long as they are honest and follow the rules. Then they lie about it... you must mandate and require proof.

A guy doing what Rodgers just did could easily cost the team millions by missing the playoffs, a super bowl perhaps, or just wipes out a team in a few days... you don't mess with that too long before you fix it.

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