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OldColdDawg #1899802 11/05/21 10:42 PM
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Life is about more than the pandemic... and who said anything about slavery, I'm guessing that all of the jobs in the want ads plan to pay the people.


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Check covid thread in pp I'll answer this there so I don't pollute pure football.


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He also was told he's considered unvaxxed but then picked and chose which rules he would and wouldn't follow. He said the mask rule is BS. He had his reason, but that's an opinion, and there's a saying about everyone and their opinions.

Given all the fervor in preseason and now their "we need to gather the facts" when PFF has put out countless images of him not wearing a mask when he should... I guess I'm just going to go ahead and file this under disappointing but not surprising'.


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And that's exactly what it is. He may have broken many of the Covid protocols behind the scene and at the team facility. But I have no way of knowing that. What I do know is the NFL requires those unvaccinated to wear a mask at any and every interview and Rodgers has broken that rule on at least a weekly basis more than once. Those are multiple, clear violations.

Why Aaron Rodgers Could Be Fined Due to His Behavior As an Unvaccinated Player

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/11/05/aaron-rodgers-could-be-fined-covid-19-vaccination-status

He can make all the excuses he likes. The union agreed to these terms. All he has done is that he thinks what he "feels and believes" outweigh his contractual obligations to follow the rules.

If this goes unpunished it will be a prime example of what privileged means.


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I heard that he is allergic to ingredients in vaccines.


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That's the claim he made. But then he also claimed he was worried about infertility. A common anti vaxxer theme. And if you listen to the interview, it's full of anti vaxxer messaging. But in the end, none of that really makes any difference. If you're not vaccinated there are rules you must comply with. He refused to do so. That's the bottom line issue here.


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I used to not really like Rodgers, but after hearing his comments on this issue the more I like the guy.

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No surprise there. Refusing to follow the rues and making excuses for it seem to be right up your alley.


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Seems like what he got right was; it is his choice.

After that he went off the rails.

First I tried to find out how you could determine "if you were allergic to mRNA vaccines before getting the shot."

All I found was what may happen if vaccinated and you were allergic what might happen.

Not saying he was wrong but I could not find it. He said he was.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2780345

Then he said he complied to all protocols. Then he said he didn't when it came to masks that he felt were draconion.

Maybe when in front a podium away from others who are tested or vaccinated. He is right.

But that is not what the rules say. The rules maybe draconion. But they may also represent something?

The infertility that he tried to throw shade on has been disproven.

You are right. Right or wrong the rules are there. He wanted special rules for himself. He tried with his bs about "I was immunized."

Then tried to say he "probably" caught it from a vaccinated person.

He also tried to call foul on "the pandemic now is a pandemic of the unvaccinated." Wrong.

It is when you look at hospitalizations and deaths.

Rodgers is a great player and a smart guy. But sometimes you can outsmart yourself.

The internet will feed you what you want by the questions you ask. And plenty that comes back is flat bs.

Verification is a requirement.

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Originally Posted by SuperBrown
I used to not really like Rodgers, but after hearing his comments on this issue the more I like the guy.
I could say that about Kyrie Irving. You go Kyrie!


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Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
And that will end the pandemic how? Come on man, I agree people should be productive adults, but forced work is slavery bro. Just saying. Forced vaccination is nothing new in America. See Pollio and Smallpox for more on the subject. And they are trying to let these guys go unvaccinated as long as they are honest and follow the rules. Then they lie about it... you must mandate and require proof.

A guy doing what Rodgers just did could easily cost the team millions by missing the playoffs, a super bowl perhaps, or just wipes out a team in a few days... you don't mess with that too long before you fix it.

The individual teams could just cut Roddgers fro what he did, and then the next NFL team could decide whether he was worth the hassle. It's not a league thing, but an individual team thing.
An individual team could be willing to risk the "cost the team millions".


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And to me that's the point. I have my personal feelings about the vaccines and I'm sure you do as well. But that's really not the issue here and when you try to inject your personal opinions concerning the vaccines it gets political. So I have no desire to enter into that part of it. The NFL allows its players to choose whether they get vaccinated or not. If not there are requirements for those players. When you say, "I'm not going to wear a mask even though it's required of me because I feel it's draconian", we see exactly what we're seeing a lot of these days.

The NFL players union who represents the players agreed to this set of rules. He is contractually obligated to follow those rules for the unvaccinated no matter his thoughts on the matter. But it seems today what some people "think or feel" are used as excuses why they shouldn't have to do what is required of them. If he and the team go unpunished for this we will see all we need to know first hand.


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I heard that he is allergic to ingredients in vaccines.

Then why not just say that, prove it with a note from your doctor or some facts from tests. Instead, he just lied about it.


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To a degree this sheds light on the whole dispute between Rodgers and GB manangement.

I never fully understood the position of both parties. Not sure it was based upon the drafting of Love. Or, it was money.

Maybe his vaccination status was part of it?

What is clear is Rodgers wants things his way. Right or wrong doesn't matter. His perception of right matters to him and that is all that counts in his world.

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I must disagree. My reason is that this isn't a "Green Bay" issue. This is a league wide set of rules for all 32 teams. A set of rules his own union agreed upon. To me it's far more of a political temper tantrum if you listen to the terminology in the interview and that he somehow feels he is above the rules while trying to blame everyone else that he got caught and is being called out for it.


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I was referring to the Rodgers/GB dispute earlier in the year.

The whole thing about Rodgers being unhappy with GB management. He might hold out etc.

That dispute may also have had something to do with covid. I am don't have a date when he said he was immunized.

He mentioned that he tried to get his method of dealing with approved. It was not.

Not sure if covid was part of his earlier issue or not?

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Agree with both you and Pit ... and for all we know Rogers opinion of Immunization might be taking vitamin D. It's a croc. It's not politics and Roger's ain't no victim.


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Not to mention getting medical advice from a radio talk show host.

People like professionals who spent 8 years in college to earn a Phd. in medicine, public health, virology, immunology, and infectious disease are of course less qualified than Joe Rogan.

Makes perfect sense.

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Originally Posted by Damanshot
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I heard that he is allergic to ingredients in vaccines.

Then why not just say that, prove it with a note from your doctor or some facts from tests. Instead, he just lied about it.

Because his hang-up isn't so much the vaccine. His reasons for not getting it were perfectly reasonable. IIRC, JnJ vaccine still isn't fully approved, and at the time he would've been getting jabbed, that vaccine was temporarily pulled and was in the news quite a bit. I don't fault him for that. It's everything that happened after that's the real issue.

Everyone is making this about the vaccines. It's not that. Rodgers issue was (I believe the way he put it) "wearing the scarlet letter" of being unvaccinated. He didn't want to wear the colored wristband, didn't want to wear the mask. Those are the rules he broke. Just like his allergy to the mRNA ingredient, there are people that shouldn't wear a mask. Also people that probably have an allergy to the wristband material. He doesn't have any of that, so he should've followed the rules, but chose not to.

He said in that interview that he's "not some anti-vax flat-earther"... and then for the next 45 minutes spewed the usual anti-vax rhetoric we've heard for the last couple years. I believe him when he says he's not anti-vax... I think he's just a self-centered a-hole.


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Man y’all know Rodgers was smiling ear to ear over the packers loss.

“Haha losers, you need me”


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JK Bottom line is he lied!

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He Lied!

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Dude had a partnership with that medical org... but gets medical advice from Joe Rogan.

What a joke.


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Reading this thread, I can see Roger's perspective. Just read though it, it is filled with the same political rhetoric many claim he is spewing. Since it is evident on these boards that most lean to the left, anybody taking any stance they don't agree with is going to be chastised and labeled. Just like those using the "anti-vaxxer' label. It is sad this country has turned into, us against them. Personal beliefs, and personal decisions are now open targets . It is sad and disgusting.


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Sorry but in regards to Rodgers.

I don't think that is the case at all.

Other players like Wentz, and Cousins were not vaccinated. They have followed the protocols to the letter.
Nobody is trashing them.

Nobody denied he doesn't have the right to refuse a shot.

However, the NLPA negiotiated with the NFL to establish rules about how to handle covid and vaccinations.

Rodgers wanted his own set of rules.

I could care less about his politics. He is the one making statements about how this is not at this point a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

Well guess what ? It is if you are going by deaths and hospitalizations.

Then he said. He probably caught covid from a vaccinated person. He did not offer proof.
Then he made a comment about inferility because he wanted to be a father. There is no eveidence about the vaccine causing infertility.

He said he was "immunized." Well he was not vaccinated and he caught covid.

This is not about his politics. This about a guy who wants things his way.

If he wishes to seak medical advice from Joe Rogan instead of medical professionals. That is up to him.

This is about his compliance to rules set for players. He doesn't get to set those rules.

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Originally Posted by Steubenvillian
Reading this thread, I can see Roger's perspective. Just read though it, it is filled with the same political rhetoric many claim he is spewing. Since it is evident on these boards that most lean to the left, anybody taking any stance they don't agree with is going to be chastised and labeled. Just like those using the "anti-vaxxer' label. It is sad this country has turned into, us against them. Personal beliefs, and personal decisions are now open targets . It is sad and disgusting.

What part of he did not follow the rules are you missing? What part of him thinking he didn't have to follow the own guidelines his union agreed to are you missing? You're the one making it political here. You're the one who just made it about "us verses them".


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Rodgers is the player rep for the Packers!

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So he's actually a player rep for the union of which he refuses to follow the rules of. Hmmmm....

He has already lost one endorsement I know of. I wonder how much more this will cost him before it's over? Not that with all that his other endorsements and contract pays it will really hurt his wallet.

Aaron Rodgers Loses Sponsorship in COVID-19 Vaccination Controversy Aftermath

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/11/06/a...rship-after-covid-19-vaccine-controversy


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Rodgers could have stated his position when he was asked the first time.

"Were you vaccinated?" "Yes. I was immunized." "Yes."

Whether you agree with when masks should be worn or not. It doesn't matter.

There were rules put into place. He did not follow them completely. He followed some of them. Nothing that happens will phase him.

He believes he is a critical thinker and everyone else is not.

I wonder how this will be handled.


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The 14k fine by the NFL is less than pocket change to Rodgers.

Nice way to send a message NFL.

https://www.nfl.com/news/packers-fi...azard-fined-14k-for-violation-of-covid-p

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Not sure if I get your point?

Rodgers has a backbone?

Has anyone implied that he doesn't have a choice?

His response about a witch hunt? What witch hunt? Cousins and Wentz didn't get a shot.

There is no witch hunt. He lied. And he wants rules for only him.

Tell the truth. Follow the rules. Simple.

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Originally Posted by bonefish


Has anyone implied that he doesn't have a choice?

His response about a witch hunt? What witch hunt? Cousins and Wentz didn't get a shot.

There is no witch hunt. He lied. And he wants rules for only him.
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This is everything in a nutshell. The rest is Rodgers trying to be the victim.


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I would imagine there is an agreed upon schedule of fine amounts that the NFL has to abide.

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The NFL has zero backbone.


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Last I looked medical information is PRIVATE and not public. So whether he gets the vaccine or not really is nobodies business - what I mean is if he has a contract with the team and NFL that is on thing and they should know but this information should not become PUBLIC Knowledge unless it is given by Rodgers.

I think all NFL Players should be vaccinated and a few that have religious reasons or medical reason on not getting vaccinated should let the NFL know and have it on file. Those players/coaches should get tested regularly but we all have to understand this witch hunt mentality being pushed on regarding this virus has to slow down and take a look at this. Youth who have a very low rate of getting sick and if sick not at an extreme health risk have some cases regarding the heart to enlarge and become dangerous to the child. This has to be looked into cause it means death while the virus under care does not. Again I don't know all the facts - if I was a parent I would and for those parents who are saying whoa slow down -- I don't want my child to be a data study on this virus.


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"I could care less about his politics. He is the one making statements about how this is not at this point a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

Well guess what ? It is if you are going by deaths and hospitalizations."

This statement is not true. The facts are that a majority of new cases are from vaccinated people. The Phizer and Moderna vaccines are losing their effectness. The reports are that they are down to about 50% effectiveness and falling. Basically they are wearing off. J7J is down to about 38%. IMO, your comment IS all about politics.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
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Reading this thread, I can see Roger's perspective. Just read though it, it is filled with the same political rhetoric many claim he is spewing. Since it is evident on these boards that most lean to the left, anybody taking any stance they don't agree with is going to be chastised and labeled. Just like those using the "anti-vaxxer' label. It is sad this country has turned into, us against them. Personal beliefs, and personal decisions are now open targets . It is sad and disgusting.

What part of he did not follow the rules are you missing? What part of him thinking he didn't have to follow the own guidelines his union agreed to are you missing? You're the one making it political here. You're the one who just made it about "us verses them".

I never said he didn't follow the rules, you assumed that. He should face any penalty the league throws at him. My point is about him as an individual. He lied, and that is wrong, and to a point a selfish act on his part. But I doubt highly that many on the team didn't know his real status. He got the virus, and instead of people being concerned about his health, the media is more worried about pointing out his decision and putting a political label on it. As I read this thread, I see them political rhetoric being used. Labeling someone "anti-vaxxer" is political rhetoric, it is an assumption, that if you are not vaccinated, you are against anybody who is.That in itself, is a left wing talking point.

"You're the one who just made it about "us verses them".[/quote]"

Us versus them? I am vaccinated, and I also would suggest others get vaccinated. Where I draw the line is when people feel the need to force others into a decision they don't agree with.

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While it's easy to get caught up in the ridiculousness of the whole situation (between Rodgers going full anti-vaxx and everyone around him uncomfortably bending to his whim because he's a top QB), the real story here that's being lost is Rodgers gave a massive finger to NFL rules, the NFL knew about his status and saw his unmasked face in PCs and the sidelines, and did nothing. It took a positive test and people putting 2 and 2 together to throw any spotlight on the subject, and the NFL's response is about as small of a slap on the wrist as they could've come up with.

Privilege and favoritism for all to see and nobody will do anything about it.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Some people have backbones. Some people have wishbones. It's been that way forever.

And some people break and flaunt the rules while others applaud such behavior.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

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