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It sure looks like Baker worked hard on his lower body this off-season.


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I think Baker's face looks slender this year compared to the last two. Looks like he lost some weight IMO.


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I've noticed that. I would bet he isn't more than a couple pounds different either way. "Baby fat" = gone.


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It's about rearranging the weight not what you weigh.


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yup.

I think you were both (along with me) saying the same thing.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
It's about rearranging the weight not what you weigh.


That's BS!!

I don't care how it is arraigned, I need to lose weight. grin


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he's not going anywhere


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It's about rearranging the weight not what you weigh.


That's BS!!

I don't care how it is arraigned, I need to lose weight. grin


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Geez, how fast is that going...I would be looking for a way to jump off in the first 2 seconds.

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You think you could stay on for 2 seconds? You'd be in the air (same as me) flying backwards off that thing on your second stride.


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2 seconds on that thing? I'd need ACL surgery .... maybe on both knees. crazy


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When I haul ass, I have to make 2 trips.


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Only 2?


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Originally Posted By: GratefulDawg


Those woodway curved treadmills are incredibly tough. Very taxing.




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I'd say he is ready to go


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When I haul ass, I have to make 2 trips.


Lol!


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Those woodway curved treadmills are incredibly tough. Very taxing.


How does he dismount from that thing? Like Simone Biles? lol


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That or Wiley Coyote.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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Brett Kollmann taking high paid schills to task.


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It is so funny how someone who actually knows football can make a mockery of someone like Cowherd who knows nothing.

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That was interesting...


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Within the first minute of listening to this guy, I knew I was going to like him.

After listening to national talking heads....
1. Take a long swig
2. Exhale dramatically
3. Drop a BS in the first sentence.

lol


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Thanks for posting. Very interesting and enlightening. I forget which games they were - but during the "Bad Baker" spell last year we played in 2 games with 70 mph wind and rain and a 3rd in a downpour (going from memory). Exciting times with offseason prep and the talent we have ... and a little continuity !


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You still.think that going into week 17?

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What about Jarvis Landry, OBJ and future of the receivers? Terry Pluto’s Pregame Scribbles
Updated: Jan. 09, 2022, 5:27 a.m. | Published: Jan. 09, 2022, 5:27 a.m.

Cleveland Browns wide receiver Jarvis Landry runs out of the tunnel to the field through the smoke and pyrotechnics before the Denver game. Joshua Gunter, cleveland.com


By Terry Pluto, cleveland.com
CLEVELAND, Ohio – Scribbles in my notebook as the Browns end their season with a game against Cincinnati.

1. The Bengals are 10-6, winners of the AFC North and will host a playoff game. The Browns are 7-9 and I’m scribbling about Jarvis Landry probably playing his last game with Cleveland.

2. Before the Browns traded for Odell Beckham Jr. and after former Browns GM John Dorsey obtained OBJ, I insisted Jarvis Landry was the best receiver on the team. This season, Landry has been hit with knee problems and then COVID. He missed five games. Before 2021, Landry had missed only one game (COVID list, 2020) in his first seven seasons.


3. Landry is still the team’s leading receiver with 46 catches, an average of 10.8 yards per reception. He never had fewer than 72 catches before 2021. So it was a bad year for him, a bad year for QB Baker Mayfield and a bad year for the entire passing game.

4. Landry is only 29. He has one year ($16.6 million in 2022) left on his contract. But it’s not guaranteed. The Browns can (and will) cut him, because that move will count only $1.5 million on their 2022 salary cap. It’s possible the Browns could try to bring him back at a far more modest salary, but it’s highly unlikely to happen.

5. My feeling is Landry and Beckham Jr. both went into this season knowing it likely was their final year in Cleveland. Landry hurt his knee early in the second game of the season. He missed the next four games. He probably came back too soon, because Landry loathes missing any games. Landry dropped two passes and had three fumbles this season.

6. Landry knows he needs a fresh start with a new team. Assuming his knee can gain strength in the offseason, Landry could make a very good (and possibly cheap) addition to a good team looking for a veteran slot receiver.

7. OBJ missed 10 games last season due to ACL knee surgery. When he came back in 2021, it was rocky between the veteran receiver and Mayfield. OBJ kept asking to be traded. He was shipped to the Rams. In seven games since the deal, he’s caught 25 passes for an 11.5 average.

8. Where OBJ has made a mark is five catches for TDs, usually in tight red-zone situations. He is recreating himself as a tough, short yardage receiver with the Rams. In his last three games, he’s caught 10 passes for 83 yards. Two for TDs. He’s not a major deep threat or their key receiver, but he has helped them. OBJ is a free agent after the season.

9. There probably are only two receivers on the Browns roster now likely to be with the team next season – Donovan Peoples-Jones and rookie Anthony Schwartz. Rashard Higgins has been with team since 2016, but I hear he probably won’t be back. Higgins has caught 24 passes for an 11.5 average this season.

10. Higgins has played 49 percent of the snaps on offense this season. So he’s been out there, but often seems invisible. For the most part, the Browns haven’t been able to do much with their receivers. Peoples-Jones leads all receivers with 62 percent of snaps played. He has 31 catches for an 18.0 average and 3 TDs.

11. Browns receivers have caught only six TD passes. OBJ has five since joining the Rams. The Browns not only need to add talent with the expected departures of Landry and Higgins, they must reconsider exactly how receivers fit into the offense. If the tight ends were piling up big numbers, then it would be a different story. The Browns have 19 TD passes this season, ranked No. 24 in the NFL.

12. A year ago, they had 27 TD passes. Browns receivers caught 12 of them a year ago, double the total of 2021. The Browns are a team with Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt, so they should run the ball a lot. D’Ernest Johnson also is a productive running back. But the passing attack fell apart in 2021. That has to be addressed.

13. Coach Kevin Stefanski insists his relationship with Mayfield hasn’t changed. Mayfield took cleveland.com’s Mary Kay Cabot to task for insisting there was some strain between the coach and QB. Common sense says when a team has a rough season like 2021 where the passing game is a mess, there will be some conflict between the coach and QB. Doesn’t mean the relationship is doomed to long-term failure. But it probably needs some work.

14. If Mayfield believes the Cleveland media is tough, he ought to check out New York and some of the other big markets. That is a much different level of attention and criticism. For the most part, the Cleveland media has been fair to him – although he has another opinion as he called Cabot’s story “clickbait.”

15. On the national level, ESPN Paul Finebaum said: “I got into it with (Mayfield) in college. He came after me on Twitter. And I thought he was a punk then and nothing has changed. He is a poor man’s Johnny Manziel. I think Cleveland ought to get rid of him. I don’t know if it’s possible, but I think the Browns are wasting their time with this guy.”

16. That’s a cheap shot by Finebaum, given Browns fans had a close-up look at the Manziel calamity in Cleveland. Mayfield should just cool it, get his shoulder surgery and work at coming back strong in 2022.

17. At this point, I’m ready for the season to end. It’s been months of frustration. Not the 1-15 and 0-16 frustration, but the frustration from knowing the Browns have the talent to be where the Bengals are today: 10-6 and in the playoffs.



https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...vers-terry-plutos-pregame-scribbles.html


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OBJ being the third option in LA and calling that "reinventing himself" is a bit of a stretch.

If you think he's going to sign back up for 3.3 receptions for less than 30 yards per game (even with the TDs), I think you're kidding yourself because that would mean he's kicked his diva habits.


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14. If Mayfield believes the Cleveland media is tough, he ought to check out New York and some of the other big markets. That is a much different level of attention and criticism. For the most part, the Cleveland media has been fair to him – although he has another opinion as he called Cabot’s story “clickbait.”

So Cleveland media is telling us that Cleveland media is fair... rofl

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j/c...

He just woke up and the video was posted, lol. Just had the Biggie video parody ready to post to IG!

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Former #Browns WR Odell Beckham Jr. says he still hasn’t spoken with QB Baker Mayfield since being released

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The OBJ situation is so strange. The entire locker room still backs him too.

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Originally Posted by cfrs15
The OBJ situation is so strange. The entire locker room still backs him too.

Yep. A lot of the Browns players showing him a lot of love on social media and rooting for him.

Meanwhile, still hasn't spoken to Baker after the big fall out.

Awkward dynamic that has been created.

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These types of "outside of football" stuff is hard to figure out because they are personal.

So, what we get as fans is "he said this and he said that."

From Baker's side? Damn I don't think it feels so good to get a knife in the back. It is not like has not reached out to Odell in the off season.
We all have seen the videos of vacations and workouts.

Then Odell's father goes public and trashes Baker. Meanwhile he is playing very hurt?

There can be issue with Baker's performance. People can say dump him or keep him. But nobody can say Baker has not tried. That he doesn't give effort.
Baker has matured. He has taken the heat. I don't think inside he feels very good about how the whole deal went down.

Odell? He could be a villain in this. Or, maybe not. I don't know. I dislike his entire time with the Browns.

I can only go by what takes place on the field. And he didn't do much at all for the team.

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And that is what creates all the talk. Did OBJ try or not? At least for us. Around the league and with other fans it points the finger at something other than OBJ.

One thing I have learned about this team and fans since our return, we have become pretty good at pointing fingers in all sorts of directions. It's kind of like Hue Jackson. He points his finger in every direction, except one.


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Odell's history has always been about performance and injury.

He was hurt and missed games.

He is popular with teammates. Apparently helpful with younger players. And considered a good teammate.

What got to me was he didn't start the first game. He said he was not ready. Meanwhile the whole off season was about how good he looked. Workout videos etc. He was left to do everything at his pace. Practice etc. Then he doesn't play??

When his father trashed Baker. I thought that was crude and rude. And I don't buy. He didn't have a part in that.

Now he is on another team. So honestly I don't give a damn about him one way or the other.

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its all well and good that you dont care.

but you're not in the locker room. you aren't standing on the sidelines or playing. the players dont care what bone, swish, or anyone else has to say about the inside, but they care about how you label them.

clearly from the PLAYERS perspective, OBJ getting released had a huge negative effect on the team. so while its a fair perspective to view baker as getting backstabbed, clearly there's other perspectives in that locker room that suggest otherwise.

but if we can't retain players due to that situation, then its fair to ask the bpro-baker crowd who did the actual back stabbing. because clearly the players dont think obj did anything wrong. clearly they loved him, and he clearly showed up and played.

the reason i side with OBJ and the players is because on this board specifically, it seems like Baker is the only one afforded the injury excuse. this board trashed OBJ while he was ALSO playing injured. trashed jarvis when he was ALSO playing injured. obj could've easily sat on the bench and not played at all, but he came back - even with a shoulder injury - and played.

yet somehow, baker is praised for playing injured while OBJ is trashed for doing the same thing. by the way, obj has still been playing injured on the Rams. yet all of a sudden he's productive.

posters need to remember that players routinely get drafted/traded to teams they DONT want to play for. where it wasn't their first choice. that doesn't mean they dont bust their ass and try on gameday. and yet thats the very thing thats been implied on this board. OBJ was set up to be the scapegoat the moment he got to cleveland. its like posters forgot he put up over 1k yards WHILE injured that 2019 season.

so i dont know why people are confused as to why the players in that locker room had such a negative reaction to OBJ leaving. the dude came here, try to buy in, played injured, and yet was blamed by fans for everything, while baker was praised for playing injured and running his mouth. so if you're a browns player, and you see a talent like OBJ gutting it out while injured, getting open, only to be blamed by fans and the media, how are you really gonna feel?

imagine playing the MOST dependent position in football, where you're production is purely based on whether or not the QB throws you the ball, and yet you're being blamed by fans and the media as if you're the QB and baker is the WR.

i want out of that hell hole too. and OBJ's teammates saw that. thats why they are all rooting for him when he went to the Rams and gets to play in the SB.

i asked this before and didn't get a response.

so DT, ask yourselves this honestly. if the PLAYERS - from their perspective, not yours - had to vote on who stayed and who got cut between OBJ and Baker, who would they choose?


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so DT, ask yourselves this honestly. if the PLAYERS - from their perspective, not yours - had to vote on who stayed and who got cut between OBJ and Baker, who would they choose?
Ummm, three players would choose OBJ, everyone else in the building would choose Baker.


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I have no idea how to answer that question. But it's a good question to ask.


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Another question for DT:

Please point out the last time anyone said any player was a "bad teammate".

Not saying OBJ was, but everyone hangs this medal around his neck that he was a good teammate. In my personal experience, I don't think I've ever heard anyone call any player a bad teammate... in any sport. Just wondering if anyone can remind me of all the player proclaimed bad teammates out there.


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Originally Posted by Swish
the reason i side with OBJ and the players

We know you think Baker is a bum and the route of all the Browns offensive issues - but painting this narrative that the players are all on OBJ's side (and therefore think Baker is the issue in that dynamic) is pure fantasy. It's absolutely more than feasible for players to voice support for OBJ while they think he also did Baker and Cleveland wrong. Framing this like the players are all with OBJ is a massive assumption based on your pre-disposition to Baker rather than any evidence. There might be some on OPBJ's side - idk - but I would absolutely bet there's as many or more that are not.

The fact that OBJ admits he has never reached out to Baker since the debacle - speaks absolute volumes to his lack of character and manhood. I don't care if he had called and said - "sorry man we weren't on the same page and I felt staying was killing my career." Whatever the hell ever he has to say - be nice, be brutal ... I don't care, just be a man and take ownership and communicate with the individual you gave a massive media black eye to.

Whatever the history is here and with Baker - it is going to be interesting to see what he gets paid. Is he going to get paid as a #1 - his role here? Is he going to get paid as an elite #2? We'll find out soon.


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