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Read the list my opinion hasn't changed Jackson is not a tier 2 QB in fact he is the bottom of a pure QB list IMO, what he is is a great runner who happens to be called a QB.

Kyler Murray, tier 2 QB, really...

I wouldn't go that far, but it's my understanding that he's no less reliant on the people around him (namely the running game and defense) as Baker. How that pushed Baker into the next tier down but somehow kept Lamar at the top of tier 2 is beyond me.

Burrow looks to be the real deal but couldn't keep himself healthy. How you can hold Baker's bad tape against him but then rank Burrow ahead with one partial season

J/c

The list of QBs I'd trade Baker for is very very short. Based on his stats over 3 years, talking heads and journalists might not put him in tier 1 ... And I can see that. Purely on his stats and not factoring in any mitigating circumstances. Tier 3 is a joke, and generally I think the athletic it's a quality sport outlet.

Let this season speak for itself. Let the haters come up with excuses for why they were wrong and talk about how he's a system QB or whatever... I don't care two hoots. I've been in a state of "can't wait" since the draft...... Still in the same place.

This list is an absolute joke. Baker joined the laughingstock franchise of the NFL (no disrespect) which had won 1 game in two years, not been to the playoffs in 18 years, had 4 head coaches across 3 years, played with a low ranking D, poor oline before last year, and his superstar receiver out most of the time, yet still accomplished the following:
1. The team immediately started winning
2. Set the NFL rookie passing TD record
3. Lead his team to the playoffs and won. and a couple of snaps from the AFC championship game.

How does that translate to him being in an optimal situation as a reason for winning? We will never know but I think there is better than a 50% chance that if Lamar started at the Browns he would be out of the league by now. Similarly, I think Mahomes would not be regarded as the greatest QB ever if he did not land in the golden situation of having the best offense mind in the NFL as his coach, the most dynamic receiver in the NFL, the best tight end in the NFL, and the ability to sit and learn behind Alex Smith for his first year. Circumstances matter to every QB, especially when they are developing.

For those of us that have followed Baker from OU, abandoned the Cowboys, to become diehard browns fans, we all know what Baker is capable of and what he is going to do this year with a stable situation and his head screwed on tight. I can't wait to shovel the crow. I am confident this season comes down to an epic showdown with Mahomes and KC.

Go Browns!

BTW: who the hell knows how good Joe Burrow is?

The list is literally made up by people working in the NFL.

j/c

I couldn't care less about how outsiders view our team and our players. What matters to me is the results on the field. As long as the Browns win, I don't care if it's because Baker is carrying the team or effectively using the talent around him.

Just win baby!!

Bingo. I just thought it was interesting how Baker is perceived outside this board by people in the league.

Exactly,

The reason that he did so much better last year was because he has the best O Line in the league, well yeah da. is or is it not true of every QB.

Look no further then KC where the best QB in football now resides and what did they just do this past off season? Yet Baker is a worse QB then Lamar, GMAFB.

Regardless of who voted and assembled that list I think their full of you know what. And after this season and Bake flashes the results he did to end last season and more then who get's the credit. I have seen every sort of excuse as to why Bake was simply great to close the year. Maybe, it could be he put the work in and has the kind of surrounding talent that a well assembled roster with good coaching that wins in the NFL.

But there are things we all know, bad O line get QB's hurt and make them look bad, and let's be honest that is true of every single QB in the NFL. But at this point it's clear to see, if we lose that's Bakers fault and if we win it's because of someone not named Baker. The list blows.

In the end I will take the wins and the so called experts this list was compiled from can watch as Baker takes apart their teams.

Hang tough Tabber we are about to win our 1st Lombardi it wouldn't be right if you weren't here with us to enjoy it.

Hang in there Tab!

He is meeting my off-season expectations.

A leader knows the team the team vaccination number, is a competitive advantage.

I couldn’t give an ish about your beliefs, we’re trying win football games.

In the end, I think Baker will be seen as a disappointment.

My thinking is people love stats. The media loves stats. If Baker puts up the stats required to satisfy those needs, that means we are going to be in shootouts.

If the D plays as we hope, that isn't going to happen. He is going to plug along with games where he is 16 of 23, 245 yards and a TD toss or two. Hardly MVP numbers.

If he starts throwing for 345 yards per game, we will probably lose more games.

Turds like Cowherd will certainly go this route.

IMO, as long as Baker can throw for those critical 1st down or TDs when needed, nobody will have any issue with us letting Chubb and Hunt grind out wins.

That certainly adds legitimacy to the overall list...I wonder where the execs had Baker on their draft board?

Now j/c:

D Watson as a Tier 1 QB is laughable. Rodgers, Mahommes, Brady, Wilson as Tier 1 I can get behind...hard to dispute.

Watson is NOT this guy:
Tier 1 - "A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations. He has no real holes in his game."

How is Lamar Jackson's picture NOT next to this:
Tier 3 - "A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defensive component to win. A lower-volume dropback passing offense suits him best."

Joe Burrow in Tier 2 The guy who had to leave OSU because JT Barrett and D Haskins were ahead of him on the depth chart? Please. Here is what other experts said about Dalton...er...I mean Burrow...leading up to his draft.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...cts/5165588002/

Kyler Murray in Tier 2 ahead of Baker? Seriously?

I'd put Baker at the top of Tier 2...maybe tied with Josh Allen...but only if Allen continues his "unusual-traits-shown" year that was 2020.

Can't disagree with anything you stated.

this

Dawgtalkers message board needs to make our own list of Quarterback rankings.

To make a Qb list, criterias. maybe, if we choose to do the work, Start with the top 50 Qb's in the league or 2 per team whichever includes more, that's 64, some #2's aren't top 50.

First just list the best, 2nd actually look at it by criteria, to decide the best qbs by the numbers. Categories.

Prime number. +2 player entering their prime.
-2 player is way past their prime
-2 player doesn't know poo yet is year 1.

Feet. +2 player is 4.3 runningback runner of the football like loser in this division.
-2 no mobility.

Legacy toward hall of fame, +2 they are a first ballot hall of famer if they retire today
-2 no legacy toward the hall of fame at all.

Game Manager, (easiest) +2, they run the system they are in best because they know it
-2, not only are they in a new system, they don't know how to run, "any" system they've been in yet.

Big Play days abilities, +2 in their career they've shown an ability to have days of 3+ tds, or 400+ yards on the day.

Accuracy toward completion percentages, this is not only lack of interceptions but also probability to have a day like 21 complete for 22 attempts, +2
vs. a guy who throws 36 completions on 119 attempts -2.

Winning percentage, the team wins when he starts, or doesn't +2, to -2

(Optional category,) = Strikes fear in other teams, teams totally game plan differently because the Qb is playing.

All Categories assigned a number,
+2, +1, 0, -1, -2

The group with the best numbers are the top tier qbs' simple.

So far consider 4 quarterbacks,
Baker 11. Mahommes 12.5 (2020)-Phillip Rivers, 1.5, and Carson Wentz, (negative 4), eh it's subjective.

Yep, a lot of people think he's cocky, but I see it as part of who he is and more of a winner's attitude. I personally really like Baker and his competitive attitude, swagger, moxie, (whatever you want to call it) etc.

In that context, I say keep questioning his ability. Seems to work out well when people do that.

My expectations for Baker are high. I think he is the best QB in the AFC North and needs to play like it. With Baker in his prime, and the WRs and RBs we have, the Browns should have a high scoring offense.

I believe Baker will lead the team to a division and conference title. The Browns play in one of the toughest, if not the toughest, divisions in the NFL. It will be tough, but I think the Browns have the talent to do it.

GO BROWNS !

I know at one time he did that. I would hope he focuses more an what Baker is doing rather than what other people are saying at this point. At a certain juncture, focusing on what "others think" becomes a distraction.

A younger Baker gave signs of some immaturity. We are no longer seeing that. I take that as a sign he has matured and gave up on some of the antics and tactics he used when he was younger. If the last half of last season is any indication, maturity is serving him well and I hope that continues.

Baker did a great job of only getting in a dig when it was worth it last year.

Didn't rub it in. Had fun with it with his quotes.

And when Cowherd said he didn't like QBs who wore their hats backward... Bake turned his hat around.

I think you'll see more of that as it goes on. Everyone has bulliten board material that keeps them motivated.

I just came back from a lengthy excusion out west, where I put over 3500 miles on my truck. Most of that driving time was spent listening to the NFL channel and other national sports channels on Sirius. It totally baffles my mind how many of these so called experts feel that Baker is just a middle of the road, game managing qb, that can't get the most out of our explosive offense. That Baker has to show a lot of improvement this year or we should move on. The wife and I kept wondering if these bozos watched a single Brown's game last year. He really gets no respect in the national media, despite showing excellence at every level he's played at. Despite this, the Browns team sure does generate a lot of positive interest though. It was wonderful hearing the buzz surrounding our team.

There's a lot of talk on Facebook about those who knock Baker. I just smile. He has always been motivated by his detractors. Let them say whatever they want, the worse, the better. He'll be that much more driven!

I agree with them that Baker probably is closer to a game manager type QB v a carry the team QB.

That said, you don't move on from that because he isn't just a game manager. He offers enough of the other to win a lot of games.

I see a lot of Theisman and the Redskins in Baker and the Browns O. Joe could chuck the ball around, but in the end it was the Hogs and Riggins that made that team click.

I see the current Browns much the same.

I have no concerns for Baker going forward he will have his moments when he frustrates everyone including himself I am sure but he has learned how to manage a football game keep his mistakes in check and probably the most important lesson a QB can learn. The fat chick in the front row is always open sometimes she is the best play you can make and it's OK hit her.

He is gaining ground on what it takes to win you can call him whatever you choose as long as it's not a loser. I think in the long haul all of his detractors serve a great purpose, so I am sorta for it. In the end he will win it all that I am sure of. What else matters?

He has the one thing that matters most in a QB he is very accurate and he throws great on the run. I expect this season will see his completion percentages go up along with our win totals. Again what else matters?

I would add we all know what Baker stepped into it's truly not all that surprising that Allen and Lamar have had more success then he has to this moment in time prior to his arrival the Browns had won one game in 2 seasons. To think that in year 4 of his career in Cleveland we are where we are as a team is a testament to how well he has preformed. I think at some point the reality of everything Baker has accomplished will hit is detractors and if it don't who really cares just keep winning Baker like I know you will.

The Browns Dynasty starts this season.

I expect baker to make Josh Allen to look overpaid.

I can’t see how anybody isn’t on the bake train at this point. I saw too much last year to not believe in him.

Dude is about to eat this season.

You kept wondering if those bozos watched a single Browns game last year.
I'm sure they watched the Jets game, and the Giants game.

Figure this. According to National media searches, a look back at Baker Mayfields first game in the NFL,
It was game #3, of 2018, the Browns vs. Jets, I'm not sure which stadium.

Tyrod Taylor was in the game trailing 0-14 for the Browns.
Baker Mayfield comes in and puts up drives, that score 21 points and the team gives up 3.

Now, The National media won't give Mayfield credit for that win, After all, they are New Yorkers mostly.

In his first game he beat the Jets 21-3 basically, while he was on the field,
and they want to give credit to Tyrod Taylor? (Just because he started)

I think they have sour grapes because they got stuck with Sam Darnold, never forget that.

And Never Forget Mayfields detractors are hoping he will leave your team so he can go play fantastic for their favorite team.
How many Mayfield detractors really love Cleveland as a city, and say nice things about Cleveland in other contexts? I bet you'll find very few.
Never forget these.