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No worries my friend. But seriously, how did you miss that?

I have no earthly idea...

**SMACK**

upside that head!

Old age.

According to that logic, none of us should have any freedoms at all. You know, since the word “freedom” doesn’t exist in our constitution.

I’m betting the jail time for rape will be less than the rape victim for having an abortion in Texas.

He doesn't seem to understand that Roe Versus Wade being decided on in 1973 found that banned state abortions were unconstitutional under the 14th amendment. Which means abortions are actually protected under the 14th amendment of the constitution.

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/blog/landmark-cases-roe-v-wade

True,,,, But my name is Tonto Wienstein but my friends call me Bubba so I still got that

(nobody else will know what that means, but you do LOL)

j/c...

That ban didn't last long.

southpaw
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It ain't over yet... This is a fight that will go on forever..

Agreed my friend. Even if Roe V wade ever gets overturned that won't be the end of it. This is a fight that both sides are very passionate about.

NO. There is one side that doesn't understand when they lose. RvW is established precedent and the law of the land. GOPers want to keep refighting every battle they lose. Hell half of them are still trying to re-fight the civil war.

You do realize that some Republicans support abortion, and some Dems are against it right?

Most Dems wouldn't give up the fight when abortion was illegal just the same way some Republicans won't give it up now. Neither side will give up because as I said earlier both sides are passionate about this subject.

You know that your argument here is flawed. GM is right. Slavery was the law of the land, too, but people obviously fought to amend the Constitution, which is obviously the supreme law of the land.

Everyone wants to keep fighting for their beliefs. I can't think of one movement, group or party that has had one core, important issue to them who lost a Supreme Court or other political battle and then simply said "Welp, I guess we're done, guys."

Your bias and passion (which I respect) on this issue is clouding your objectivity.

Difference being a woman's right to choose to make decisions about her own body and life is how it should be. Oddly, both sides will acknowledge that, but one side thinks their personal beliefs should override the rights of others who believe differently. If it were truly about the health and welfare of the unborn, you would see the same passion from the right in making sure all these kids have what they need to get a good start in life.... But nah, how they get along the next 18 years until adulthood is something else the right likes to completely ignore and often criticize those in poverty without mercy.

What this is not my old friend is a situation where both sides have opposite values, but both have merit. No, the moral conviction to these ideals on the right simply don't hold up to scrutiny.

Nobody is forcing anyone to get an abortion, but the right would force all women to have babies rather they want to or not in a world that is already overpopulated... we are too far apart we are on this one GM.

I very much agree with you when it comes to the hypocrisy seen by many on the Republican side. If you do want to be pro-life, there should be a commitment to the child after birth, like you say. That's a huge contradiction.

Where I depart is boiling the argument simply down simply to a woman choosing to make decisions about her own body. I believe the whole crux of the argument is whether it is a woman doing something to her body or a woman doing something to someone else's body. It boils down to the definition of a human being - which is where I've seen the most impassioned arguments made by both sides...basically whether it's a "group of cells" or a "human life."

IIRC, the Court in Roe punted on the issue of defining a human being, which has dragged the argument out today.

There's also the part about how Kavanaugh, pro-choice's boogie-man, puts a stronger emphasis on precedent. Roe v Wade isn't going anywhere.

110 percent bullcrap my friend. Can A WOMAN DRIVE 80 IN A 25 MPH ZONE.

Can she walk down the street shooting up herion? Snorting coke.

Can she go to the grocery store naked?

Can she drive without a seat belt?

Can she attend School without getting vaccinated?


The list goes on, and on, and on about the things we in this country are NOT free to do.

Your entire list are things that are illegal in our country. The SCOTUS gave women the right to an abortion under Roe vs Wade. Until that changes, women do have the right to an abortion under the law of the land.

Is there a road in her thing that she would have to worry about speed limits? She can do all of that, but she would be breaking MINOR laws. Making a decision to rather to keep or abort is punishment enough in most cases. You know I like you GM and always try my best to treat you good and get along... but we couldn't be farther apart on this, and I HATE YOUR POV ON THIS SUBJECT. It's not that you don't have a right to express your feelings, but you have no right to tell a woman what to do with her body OR ANYTHING INSIDE IT! Would you make her keep a cancerous tumor that was going to ruin her life? Nope. But that lump of cells zygote means more to you than her completely... You gonna take care of that kid until it's 18? Feed it? Cloth it? Make sure it gets a good education? No? Then you have no damn right to say a damn thing.

A woman getting an abortion is legal. You gave me talking points that were all illegal. But your ilk thinks they have the right to stop her from doing something y'all don't like, that's 100% legal without fighting to change the law of the land. This snake in the grass ish in Texas is going to topple that house of cards very soon. Trump's McConnell packed conservative court will have to stand behind the RvW precedent or risk dems packing the court to balance it. You are fooling yourself if you think you will ever win this one.

GM you don’t have to get an abortion if you don’t want.

That only effects you.

When you say that you want to decide for someone else what their choice should you are passing judgement on another.

A person should be responsive for their own decision and the consequences that it has.

It like telling a woman that she can’t vote because she is a woman. That only took 150 years and a constitutional amendment to fix.

You either believe that people are created equal or you don’t. It’s tough to follow through.

I still don't think I have the right to tell someone what to do with their own body...

And the the other thing is simple,, there is a faction of Americans that would like very much to eliminate Abortion all together.

I've heard most of the arguments.

What I haven't heard is what to do with the babies that are born. Who's paying the bill here. Who's gonna guarantee adoption?

Until it comes to vaccines.

I don't want to force any Trump supporter to get vaccinated.

Until you give someone COVID-19 and they die.

Your decision effects others, big difference.

Covid vaccine doesn't stop you from catching it and transmitting it to someone else.

So your point is moot.

It was you that brought vaccines into the discussion.

I pointed out that it not really comparable.

We can go round and round about vaccine in a COVID thread, but abortion is the topic.

Just pointing out hypocrisy when I see it.

By far the dumbest comparison I've ever heard...

You get preggers, you don't cause others to get preggers.. Get Covid and you can give it to everyone you come into contact with.

How the hell can you compare the two... That's just flat out crazy..

But it's a very typical response from the uninformed Trumpians out there.

I'm a dude. My meat and two veg will cause a woman to get "preggers". At least I thought that's how it works.

Mansplaining like that will get you laid.

Just look in the mirror and you will find it.

People like to make stupid comparisons. In the first place you are over four times less likely to get covid if you're vaccinated. Secondly if you do get it, the time of which you can spread it is much shorter. 90% of the deaths are of the unvaccinated. Like I just said in another thread, people just like to throw crap against the wall to see what will stick.

No problem OldC. We disagree on this subject and probably always will. You hate my POV on this subject and I hate yours. No biggie IMO. We agree on some things ad we disagree on others just like everybody else on this planet we are not going to see eye to eye on everything. Hell our biggest difference of opinion on this is that I see a baby being murdered, slaughtered, killed, while you see that baby as a clump of cells that you compare to cancer. To me that's just as disgusting as somebody saying it's OK to murder your 1 week old child, or 1 month old child, or 10 year old child, all of which you as well as I are 100 percent against.

BTW if you say the baby is just a "lump of cells" why can people be charged with “fetal homicide” if most states if they cause the death of the baby/cells?

Now as for taking care of "That kid" as you called him/her I have said over and over on these boards I am all for paying taxes to support programs to help these children and their families.



In what state under what conditions. Hell the Texas abortion situation changes by the week now. Two months ago abortions were legal. Then they were illegal as of Sept 1st 2021 past the 6th week of pregnancy. Then it was illegal again for less than 48 hours. Now it's illegal again as of last night.

Abortion restrictions very between the states so what is legal in some states is illegal in others.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/a-guide-to-abortion-laws-by-state

If people are created equal why can't the man demand the baby be aborted if he doesn't want to be bothered raising or paying for it just like the woman? Why can't he raise it on his own if the woman doesn't want it? Are you saying the woman should have rights that men don't have?

My solution is the same way I feel about the Democrats Build Back Better bill. Don't tell me you'll figure out how to pay for it later. Figure out how you're going to pay for it and care for these children first. That is the one thing that could sway my opinion on abortion.

I think you know that my feelings on a personal level do not support abortion. I just sit back and watch the majority of Republican politicians act as though they take some moral high ground by railing against abortion while at the same time giving no solution on how to care for these children. No solution in regards to helping educate these children. Actually railing against social programs that would help them.

As we saw in another thread, anything that helps those on the lowest socioeconomic scale of working class people is now being called "welfare handouts". That term used to be reserved only for people who didn't or wouldn't work.

I've just seen both parties use the "let's do it now and we'll fix it later" method. I've never seen it turn out well.

Just another reason I don't support either party.

I agree with you on this one. The father of the child should have some say in the matter.

RvW has been the law of the land since the precedent was set. Therefore, at the federal level abortion is and has been legal. But GOPers have been trying to chip away at that for years and they are almost there in their minds. Whereas the left says and means NEVER AGAIN will it be illegal.

Republican laws.

Again, due to republicans.