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Just to clarify:

The CB situation is especially bad because all 3 of those youngsters were starters last year and all 3 of the vets were signed in the off season and last year's starters were benched.... Then 2 of the vets suck.... It's a problem.

Our D-line is gelling but far, far from a cohesive unit.

The depth at both TE and RB (if Cook's out) is absolutely terrible. If any of our starters go out we're in trouble.

That's all. Good luck guys.

Thanks for the report, and welcome to the site!

I forgot about Griffin, and Sheldon Richardson is looking for revenge, so he will be an exceptionally motivated threat.

Our OL is banged up at Center and both Tackles, so that could be the equalizer. If you have liabilities against the run, though, it could be a very long afternoon for you; it's something we do rather well.

We both practice daily against this offense, so there isn't going to be a whole lot of trickeration & shenanigans. It's just gonna be line up and beat each other up.

It should be a fun one!

Hey, thanks for chiming in and welcome to DT. No one here hates the Vikings. You called it a terrible scouting report, but you kind of reinforced it with your own analysis

In 2020 they got a little bit of chemistry between Baker and, Landry, Higgins ,and DPJ.

Opening day! They feature: Schwartz, 69 yards, plus a reverse.

Game 2! they feature: All the Tight Ends, Hooper gets the most catches, none of Hoopers catches looked like a good catch.

Game 3! They feture Odell Beckham, but still only 5, (the guy scarcely never will have more than 6 on a day in
a long time, most games , well 8 still the most he's ever had in a Browns day.

Jarvis Landry! Was healthy game 1!
Jarvis Landry was healthy at the start of game 2.

DPJ has been healthy, the entire summer and the first 3 games.

Higgins!, who knows if he's healty, but, his history is documented.

The Browns, as a choice, didn't have to feature A. Schwartz in game 1. (but, if he is some sort of fireball, then, continue to go after him.)

No! They'll go after him in week 1. then forget him in week 2 and 3.
OBJ! Hey, OBJ played, and guess what happened to Baker Mayfields freaking pass efficiency.
Mayfields' passing efficience took a nose dive.

12 incompletions.
Now!, Schwartz and the negative plays?

Listen. Landry-Higgins-DPJ-Njoku-Hooper, the chemistry wasn't broken!
but they need more speed.

What it means? Bringing...--- the rookies, Schwartz, and .. Felton out of THE BACCKKFIELDDD, along slowly, a little usage at a time---- to compliment--- the **stuf** that's already knownn-n to work.
Would be something, many teams might do.

Even, when re-inserting OBJ, back into the mix, bringing, along, things that feature these players, gradually, without scrapping/trashing everything that already exists of the chemistry already built whole-cloth, would be ideal.
I'm sure the smart people have it figured out.
(Let D'Ernest Return punts.)

" The Browns are a top 5 D, theirs is not."
To chew on that comment for a second.

The Browns are not a good defensive team, Not yet! I think the Bears game was an outlier!
JJ3 and Troy Hill? Made any/very many/ plays to impact games force the team to victory yet.

Browns get any turnovers on Sunday? Against the Bears? Browns gave up ONE YARD passing, but couldn't come away with a turnover?

The defense has me, ... "apprehensive" (better than terrified, terrified didn't fit), that they won't get any turnovers all freaking year, and they are going to miss the freaking playoffs!

They won 12 games, last season with Andrew Freaking Sendejo, and Terrence Mitchell!

Ya the front 4 showed up, the front 4 showed up, the front 4 showed up against, the Bears...
The VIKINGS!! are a really really good team that's probably going to the playoffs,

This is not rookie-welome to the NFL, He doesn't know what to do with the, holds on to the ball too long, playing quarterback for them. The Vikings are a real NFL contender, with Kirk Freak- Cousins,
they can beat you a million ways, Thielen, best Wr since 2019, all over expn yesterday. Justin Jefferson,

You can't take this team lightly, this reminds me of the Browns vs. Philadelphia game last year.

No NFL team! Can be judged by what it's done, (very much) in 2021 yet, because, it's too early.
The Vikings started on the road both of the first two weeks.
It takes defense to win on the road.
The Browns, have only played one road game so far.

Browns have to run the ball, like last week, even if it's not working.
I think the Browns...
ought to look at the fisrt quarter of last weeks Bears game, and wish they had some of those decisions back.

"Were the Browns, who came out slingling the rock around like Dan Marino down 10, just trying to use the pass attack to later set up the ability to run agasint a Bears D that was clearly not going to be beat by the Run, as their focus?"

Maybe! But! I think in their heart of hearts, even the Browns offensive coaches... could um, look back at the first quarter of the Bears last week, and .. hope they do a couple things differently,
and be glad it didn't come back to bite them in the backside in terms of the final score. Facepalm

J/c

During my run this morning this kind of dawned on me: I would look for us to come out and be very aggressive pushing the ball down the field and trying to jump on them early. Stefanski has shown a tendency to do this in hostile/away environments against good offenses (at Dallas, at Tennessee come to mind).

Try to take the crowd out of it. Force them to be more pass oriented and let our defense play from ahead.

If you TRY to figure out what Throw is saying you'll find yourself confused. Hell the man argues with himself half the time..

Honestly, I see one of his posts I wave at the sky and keep going why inject yourself into the perfectly good argument he is having with himself?

Then the other half of the stuff he says is to TRY to draw attention to himself.... I wished he would either argue with himself or the rest of us....

The sad part is that he seems to have a handle on certain things but then he goes sideways in the middle of it all. BTW that is when he starts arguing with himself.

If he would stop trying to draw attention to himself, and stop arguing with himself I feel certain he would present something of real value. He seems to be a real nice man, honestly!

As is the best way to describe him is confused or confusing.............

You'll find that most of TL's posts are way off base.

Welcome to Dawgtalkers!

None of that rambling, which makes little to no sense at all, changes the *fact* that the Browns Defense is Top 5 - and theirs is not.

I am expecting the Vikings will have several False Start penalties with their linemen trying to get in position earlier.

First, thank you for the rundown. It's appreciated.


On the off-chance you're still here, I'd love to hear a Vikings fan's overall opinion on Cousins. IMO, he's going to be just good enough to keep you guys from trying to go out and land "The Guy". So long as our defense plays to its strengths and doesn't go to sleep, Cousins is not a guy I worry about (Long story short, I don't have a very high opinion of Cousins).

I'd like to see us attack their corners and LB with quick passes to our WRs and TEs and I'd LOVE to see us get the ball in Hunt's hands out in space and let him go to work on their secondary from there.

They'll respect our run (because we'll keep reminding them it's there), but we need have them defending the pass while doing so.

It’s weird to admit this, but I’m not much worried about our offense. I’m worried about slowing theirs down

Thanks for this. Our offense needs to to improve some more. I respect what I have seen of the Vikings. Welcome to our board.

With Cook back, I see them playing the same game we will. Eat the clock with the running game, and taking big shots. This should be a fun game to watch

I said it last season, and I believe it even more now. This team is built perfectly to run devastating screen passes. Seeing some which seemed to have worked wonderfully. The Chubb/Hunt pairing, this OL Callahan is honing, it is a natural weapon. Thinking back to Landry who was a genius with screens. Even faked them to a side, screen away from that. Center screens are really lethal. Hope to see more of this.

Unleash the Elves!

If the best and worst Quarterbacks in this league, who largely effect the offenses, were more similar in their abilities, then I could put more stock in that argument.
I need to ask for more than a 3 game set.

Photo shows brown pants, text of tweet below photo indicates orange pants ... which is it?

Newsome out , Greedy starting in his place. This'll be a nice challenge for Greedy.

Minnesota DT Pierce is questionable. If he can't go, our run game improves.

I’ve read Brown multiple places

Early in games.
The Browns have run in the first 3 weeks,
153, 156, and 215. But none of those games we've seen this year have felt like the Browns are giving enough carries to the running backs.

The Browns are averaging over 5, 5.5 yards per carry from their top 2 running backs.

The Browns have 3 Running threats.
Kareem Hunt,
Nick Chubb,
and Baker Mayfield as a runner.
before they even have to go to their bench.

I don't know, for sure that the Browns won't have to go to the passing attack to keep up in the middle to late parts of the game, but:
In the first quarter,
to begin the game, the Browns should be running the ball more than they have shown, by play choice in the first quarter and first half of games,
even if it's barely working.

The goal should be to get Chubb and Hunt both over 60 yards in the first quarter opening two drives.
and well on the way to rushing for greater than 245 yards on the day.

If things go wrong and the scoreboard goes from bad to worse, the game can force a team to have to pass.
and Teams always lose when they give up on the Run.
A bad or worse scoreboard never forces a team to go Back to the Run, so it's important to Start with the Run, by play choice, early, middle, after the half, and at the end of the game.

Musts: Establish the run. Bring the Defense.

Is this an idea on how to beat the Vikings ?

merge
this
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into the appropriate, pre-existing thread, please.


Have a heart, Refs- for the love of all things orange and brown-

Hate our white over brown look. But, just win

Just the opposite for me. I love that uniform combo.

I dont know why but I have always been an all white uni fan. As far as the game we are the better team. Limit penalties and turn overs and we should be fine.

I wonder if the Saxons started a similar thread to this 1,200 years ago…

I'm guessing they most likely did. It just took it longer to spread the news. I mean they only had dial up internet service back then.

No! No. This is beyond beating the Vikings, not confined to one game.
But! even in this one game. If the Browns throw too often, and give up on the run, it's a recipe to lose this game too.

I like white over brown, also.

I like white's as well. As far as the game, if we win, it will be close. Minnesota is the type of team that can give us problems.

I am certain the color of our uniforms will be the deciding factor in this game..............

And it's not even silly season YET!

Can't wait for kick off. I feel like this is the first true barometer of how good the team might be this year - injuries and other misfortunes aside.

KC in the first game was a brutal start to the season - for both teams to be be fair. No matter who won, it was the first game and there were teething issues and growth would be expected for both teams. Since then the Browns have beaten two teams we should have beaten.

The Vikings are a serious play off contender. This is game 4. We might still need more time for the D to gel with all the new parts. We might be missing Landry, and Wills might be dinged up a little but we are pretty healthy on O. Let's see what we have. I think we learn a lot today. Offense, Defense and coaching - play calling, scheme and adjustments.

I hope Ski isn't too cute with plays. Remember to run and out quick 'em on offense. I do not expect a sackfest like last week.

Elf Day!

Didn't Landry go to IR? I don't think he's eligible to return yet.