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So two Blue States had elections for Govenor. Virginia has been confirmed to have a GOP winner. And NJ isnt far behind. (Wow)

So voters are leaving the Dems in droves.

I'm interested in hearing your theories why. Because it matters for 2022.

The most grevious complaint I have as a voter with the Dems is CRT and using our school children as political pawns. And the border situation.

I was always going to vote red. But, clearly people are upset in these blue states.

So, what do you think is happening with these elections? What say ye?


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CRT racism/white guilt in a non-presidential election year. And a damn fine message to the democrats too, especially those two centrist senators. Also, dems never show up in those off years like they do in presidential election cycles. Purple and slightly blue states prove this all the time.

EDIT: BTW good post, good topic.

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Thanks.

I can understand why VA voters are mad about CRT and their school drama that has been in the news.

I dont understand NJ at all. I thought they were a hardcore Blue State.


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People hated Trump and they did not like Biden. Hate for Trump is why Biden won.

Gas
Covid
Unemployment
No products on shelves
Inflation
Education and history
Taxes

This happens all of the time in the history of the country. There is a reaction and a retraction from the initial reaction.


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Originally Posted by EveDawg
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I can understand why VA voters are mad about CRT and their school drama that has been in the news.

I dont understand NJ at all. I thought they were a hardcore Blue State.

They elected Chris Christy to a couple of terms, so NJ seems to go red in local elections. Maybe they only rig federal elections?(just kidding)


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I think what last year vs last night in Virginia, New Jersey, and the De-fund the Police issues going down big last night is telling us the American people like Trump policies just not Trump and his rhetoric. That sums up Youngkin to a tee.


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1-Never, never come between a momma bear and her cubs!
(during the last 18 months, thanks to ZOOM schooling, we the people were able to see for ourselves what the Progressives were teaching our children.)

2-In my Virginia, which is strongly Democrat, 65 percent of the citizens believe the country is headed in the wrong direction.
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Originally Posted by superbowldogg
People hated Trump and they did not like Biden. Hate for Trump is why Biden won.

Gas
Covid
Unemployment
No products on shelves
Inflation
Education and history
Taxes

This happens all of the time in the history of the country. There is a reaction and a retraction from the initial reaction.

The gas thing is because RED has been lying about it. Presidents do not have control over gas prices..

The Covid thing is because Trump and his minions Lied about it, tried to down play it. Biden inherited a mess of lies and deceit

No Products on shelves once again, has nothing to do with who ever is president.. That's another RED lie

Educations and History is wouldn't be an issue if it weren't for RED trying to change it

Taxes have not changed,., But should,, I want the wealthy and corporations to pay their fair share... Trump gave it away

We can if you wish, explore each of these but the results are going to be the same,,, Trumpians lie


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I think Van Jones pretty much encapsulated what has been happening and "journalism" is at the forefront of the blame.... but too little too late as far as Virginia is concerned.







And this is now trending on social media as a result of the election. Absolutely laughable and cringeworthy.


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Also, the Red Wave narrative seems like a major stretch at this point. But last night set a tone for both sides.


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Good question. To be honest, I have no clue when it comes to New Jersey. For VA, though, I think that McAuliffe has been on his heels in the education front for a while now. Youngkin is also one of those conservatives who somehow figured out the sweet spot of getting both Trump and centrist Conservative support.

I think Van Jones is correct too - in what Memphis posted. Democrats on the political front are very annoying, as a whole. They obviously can't get their acts together. They don't seem to have much of a plan, let alone a unified front. They seem entitled to have the moral high ground and don't seem to realize that going against Trump isn't enough to satisfy their constituents. And this is no endorsement of Trump or the Republicans, whatsoever, as everyone in this forum knows where I stand. Honestly, though, it's very annoying. Do more than talk about what you want to do and actually do something, and stop pointing fingers at who you think is bad and start engaging earnestly.

I think Van is also correct in something he mentioned briefly - anti-incumbent. I think that's an undertone that pans the political spectrum. It's pretty obvious that corrupt, career politicians have milked the system for decades now. This is just my belief, but I feel like people see that, get frustrated that nothing gets done and either vote in a fiery outsider, like Trump, or just say "You guys can't get it done, so we're voting in the other side of the coin." Rinse and repeat.

You would hope this will be a wake-up call for Democrats, but I think we'll just see more of the blame game, frustration and disorder.

Edit ~ there was something I was trying to get to, which I couldn't find the words for, but David Axelrod said it in a reply post to the Van Jones one that Memphis posted. The annoyance with the Democrats often comes from the moralizing and self-righteous tone. I think that hit the nail on the head.

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A Major stretch?

Well I agree with Vice President Harris...

"What happens in the Virginia election will determine what happens in 2022, 2024 and beyond."

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Well, I don't think what VP Kamala Harris says is astute, predictive, or overall legitimate. It was a campaign comment to scare people and create votes.

Nothing more, nothing less.


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Well said... and great topic, Eve.


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In a nutshell? People are tired of blatant hypocrisy. People are tired of the narrative from the left that all white people are bad, anybody with any money is a slave-driving crook, we're all stupid and need to be "re"educated, etc, etc... And when I say "left", I 100% (not 99.9) mean the left dominant media. Smug, self-righteous, do-no-wrong fools, that take every opportunity to belittle every viewpoint that doesn't stand in lockstep.

Now today they'll be calling everyone racists and alienating even more of their own...




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Maybe my head has been stuck in the sand, but I missed where McAuliffe wore a KKK outfit. If true...yeesh...


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There Democratic Governor Ralph Northam done that.


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j/c...

Interesting. A dem governor wins re-election for the first time since 1977 in New Jersey, but dems get smashed in the rest of the of state.





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Had the Lakewood Vaad endorsed Ciattarelli (R) instead of Murphy (D), we could be looking at a very different #NJGOV race right now. Results in Lakewood, NJ:

2020: Trump (R): 30,648, Biden (D): 6,397
2021: Ciattarelli (R): 11,644, Murphy (D): 7,112

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1455908762242461700

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Ineffective Dems
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And unless the democrats actually get something done it will only get worse. Right now they can't seem to get out of their own way. Most of the voters that decide elections are those in the middle. They aren't really Republican or Democrat. Mostly suburban voters. They aren't far left progressives either. Some claim these voters should be abandoned according to their logic. That's what costs the democrats. As I said, they can't get out of their own way.


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There is no Red, there is no Blue. There are sides, but sides with colors are not permanent. Falling for the trap of assigning colors to sides already shows the following of the propaganda and the inability to have free discussion.


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What got Joe elected beside the possible cheating was that he was suppose to unite the Country. Donald Trump's flaw was he was divisive and it turned off Independents. They went in Joe in large numbers last year. So what has happened since. Joe and the Democrats have went radically left and have been just as divisive as Trump just completely on the other side. CRT is not mainstream it is divisive. Cancel culture is divisive, piting people against each other with masks and vaccines are divisive. Youngkin tapped into uniting citizens against divisive left wing programs without interjecting the Trump like divisive right wing narrative.

Couple that with all the other ineffectiveness of the Democrats the worst President in our history inflation, rising gas prices, rising food prices, supply chain issues, the border crisis, Afghanistan debacle, and the fact he did not even attempt to unite the Country. Joe and the Democrats have a real problem on their hands. Looks like the Republicans have solved their internal struggle between RINO's and Trump. Youngkin showed the way adapt Trump policies but not the Trump rhetoric. Democrats have their own internal struggle be moderate like Manchin and Sinema and how all Democrats run campaigns or be progressive and alienate the independents.


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Originally Posted by RocketOptimist
Ineffective Dems
Corporate donor bootlickers
Neoliberals

There's a severe flaw in what you said.

Your second line is 8 syllables.


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Some of the undertone points in your post I believe are correct, but holy cow the hyperbole makes it almost indefensible. It appears to be a regurgitation of shallow rhetoric often seen in echo chambers on the far right. There's no shortage of things to bash Biden and Democrats for, but to lead with the worst president in our history, among other things, you're hurting the own point you are trying to make.


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The actual flaw in his post is that he can't seem to read election maps. All the suburban areas that were heavily blue in 2020 for both Virginia and New Jersey turned red last night. He seems to put more weight in polls than the who and where people change their votes between the two parties and how that change had such great impact on those two elections. I look at actual results. They're what tells the story.

There are certainly some heavy progressive areas. There's certainly a heavily progressive leaning among young people. I think within the next 10 to 20 years they will control things. But that's certainly not the reality of what's happening now. All I'm trying to do is get them to realize that. But if the election maps of last night compared to those same maps in 2020 doesn't convince them, nothing will.

Yes, there were other factors. But let me show you that even the most liberal of sources agrees that the sudden shift in suburban voters played a huge part.

A bad omen for Democrats and 4 other election night takeaways

2. The suburbs are still swing areas

During the presidency of Donald Trump, the suburbs shifted toward Democrats. They took over the House in 2018, for example, largely because of their wins in center-right-leaning areas.

As a result, many thought college-educated suburbanites might be permanently in Democrats' camp.

But Tuesday night's results in both states showed that's not quite the case.

https://www.npr.org/2021/11/03/1051713890/election-analysis-virginia-new-jersey-democrats

Complete article at the link but the suburban swing vote was point 2 of the 4.


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I'm not going to try to cherry pick your post except to remind you that the whole "cheating aspect" has proven to be false over and over again. But I will remind you that what the democrats are trying to pass that you call "radically left" is the exact platform Biden ran on during the election. So people knew what they were voting for.

However, where we agree is that many people weren't actually endorsing his platform per say. They chose the "anyone but Trump" option. What people vote on is their pocketbook. And right now that's not a good look for democrats.


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I have never seen a progressive lay out the national education curriculum and shove it up GOPer parents asses... Although it would be funny to see. Hate rhetoric seems to be all you have, what a sad existence. You should embrace your inner progressive, you would increase your IQ by 20 points from jump.

EDIT - He knew I wouldn't let that go.

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How did the democrats let this happen??? They are masters at stealing elections! rofl rofl rofl

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I'm glad you're on their side.


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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
Also, the Red Wave narrative seems like a major stretch at this point. But last night set a tone for both sides.

Don't think for a moment that Dems didn't feel last night was like a canary in the coal mine. That canary died, turned to dust and blew away... GOPers stole the night with their race baiting CRT hate, and the usual heavy dose of fear mongering. Not surprised the lemmings and hooples are running off the red cliff in droves, while the eyerolling dems who never get off their ass and go vote in off year elections just sat at home and let Virginia turn red. And Youngkin's milder than Trump yet the same rhetoric and spiel could be very dangerous... but I think he just used those words for the Trump base because he never mentioned it in his victory speech. Time will tell if Virginia got an actual conservative or a Trump acolyte. If he goes after voting rights, abortion, immigration, CRT, LGBTIQQ rights... well enjoy your version of the Handmaid's tale Virginia. Texas isn't loving theirs. And hardcore GOPers can't see the backlash building. 2024 will be a completely different story, especially if Trump is the red fascist nominee.

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Originally Posted by Damanshot
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People hated Trump and they did not like Biden. Hate for Trump is why Biden won.

Gas
Covid
Unemployment
No products on shelves
Inflation
Education and history
Taxes

This happens all of the time in the history of the country. There is a reaction and a retraction from the initial reaction.

The gas thing is because RED has been lying about it. Presidents do not have control over gas prices..

The Covid thing is because Trump and his minions Lied about it, tried to down play it. Biden inherited a mess of lies and deceit

No Products on shelves once again, has nothing to do with who ever is president.. That's another RED lie

Educations and History is wouldn't be an issue if it weren't for RED trying to change it

Taxes have not changed,., But should,, I want the wealthy and corporations to pay their fair share... Trump gave it away

We can if you wish, explore each of these but the results are going to be the same,,, Trumpians lie


LOL stop protecting Biden. You don't know him and he's not your friend or your family member. He is the head coach of the United States. His job is to get stuff done or get fired.

Also, the rest of it was exactly my point. Biden got elected because people hated trump so much... not because they liked Biden or thought he would be a good President.


people are pissed because:
Gas
Covid
Unemployment
No products on shelves
Inflation
Education and history
Taxes


they take it out on politicians the same way football fans take out their anger with an 1-16 season


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Interesting how a Republican won in Virginia, and no conservatives are whining about voter fraud.

Guess it’s only fraud if you lose.


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This is interesting.



Maybe not a red wave.

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Originally Posted by Swish
Interesting how a Republican won in Virginia, and no conservatives are whining about voter fraud.

Guess it’s only fraud if you lose.


do you repeat every Insider article you read?

The Republicans were and are going to send more and more poll watchers to voting places because they think that's what won Virginia and that is why there was less voter fraud.

https://wamu.org/story/21/11/01/amid-scrutiny-va-election-officials-say-voting-is-secure/
Virginia Election Officials Say Voting Is Safe And Secure, Despite Fraud Claims
‘We are very much under intense scrutiny’

https://time.com/6113227/republicans-poll-watchers-virginia/
Poll Watchers Flood Virginia as GOP Raises Doubts About 'Election Integrity'

the office has been inundated with GOP poll watchers, who signed up in unprecedented numbers this year to observe voting in the state’s Nov. 2 election, says the city’s director of elections, Christine Gibbons. “We feel like we’re being harassed and hindered in being able to do our daily work,” she says.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/chris-hurst-tampering-campaign-signs-polling-police-video
Virginia Dem caught tampering with voting site gets earful on 'fair elections' from police officer


https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-youngkins-win-proves-virginia-had-election-fraud-problem-1645721
Trump Says Youngkin's Win Proves Virginia Had an Election Fraud Problem


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Originally Posted by superbowldogg
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Originally Posted by superbowldogg
People hated Trump and they did not like Biden. Hate for Trump is why Biden won.

Gas
Covid
Unemployment
No products on shelves
Inflation
Education and history
Taxes

This happens all of the time in the history of the country. There is a reaction and a retraction from the initial reaction.

The gas thing is because RED has been lying about it. Presidents do not have control over gas prices..

The Covid thing is because Trump and his minions Lied about it, tried to down play it. Biden inherited a mess of lies and deceit

No Products on shelves once again, has nothing to do with who ever is president.. That's another RED lie

Educations and History is wouldn't be an issue if it weren't for RED trying to change it

Taxes have not changed,., But should,, I want the wealthy and corporations to pay their fair share... Trump gave it away

We can if you wish, explore each of these but the results are going to be the same,,, Trumpians lie


LOL stop protecting Biden. You don't know him and he's not your friend or your family member. He is the head coach of the United States. His job is to get stuff done or get fired.

Also, the rest of it was exactly my point. Biden got elected because people hated trump so much... not because they liked Biden or thought he would be a good President.


people are pissed because:
Gas
Covid
Unemployment
No products on shelves
Inflation
Education and history
Taxes


they take it out on politicians the same way football fans take out their anger with an 1-16 season

I will kill ObamaCare: He failed
I will Make Mexico PAY for the wall: He failed

Trump said that,, he couldn't get it done,,, Even with a Republican controlled congress on his side... So grow up

and by the way I'm right about what I posted... You can't prove me wrong,, But you can keep posting BS if you like


Oh,, The Red Wave didn't work out so well in NJ....


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Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by Swish
Interesting how a Republican won in Virginia, and no conservatives are whining about voter fraud.

Guess it’s only fraud if you lose.


do you repeat every Insider article you read?

The Republicans were and are going to send more and more poll watchers to voting places because they think that's what won Virginia and that is why there was less voter fraud.

https://wamu.org/story/21/11/01/amid-scrutiny-va-election-officials-say-voting-is-secure/
Virginia Election Officials Say Voting Is Safe And Secure, Despite Fraud Claims
‘We are very much under intense scrutiny’

https://time.com/6113227/republicans-poll-watchers-virginia/
Poll Watchers Flood Virginia as GOP Raises Doubts About 'Election Integrity'

the office has been inundated with GOP poll watchers, who signed up in unprecedented numbers this year to observe voting in the state’s Nov. 2 election, says the city’s director of elections, Christine Gibbons. “We feel like we’re being harassed and hindered in being able to do our daily work,” she says.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/chris-hurst-tampering-campaign-signs-polling-police-video
Virginia Dem caught tampering with voting site gets earful on 'fair elections' from police officer


https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-youngkins-win-proves-virginia-had-election-fraud-problem-1645721
Trump Says Youngkin's Win Proves Virginia Had an Election Fraud Problem


again. nobody whining about voter fraud because you won. what if you did all that and still lose? you honestly think these crazies wouldnt be whining about a rigged election? stop it. you say im repeating whatever insider article i see, yet every one of your post sound like infowars or tucker carlson nonsense.


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Originally Posted by Swish
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by Swish
Interesting how a Republican won in Virginia, and no conservatives are whining about voter fraud.

Guess it’s only fraud if you lose.


do you repeat every Insider article you read?

The Republicans were and are going to send more and more poll watchers to voting places because they think that's what won Virginia and that is why there was less voter fraud.

https://wamu.org/story/21/11/01/amid-scrutiny-va-election-officials-say-voting-is-secure/
Virginia Election Officials Say Voting Is Safe And Secure, Despite Fraud Claims
‘We are very much under intense scrutiny’

https://time.com/6113227/republicans-poll-watchers-virginia/
Poll Watchers Flood Virginia as GOP Raises Doubts About 'Election Integrity'

the office has been inundated with GOP poll watchers, who signed up in unprecedented numbers this year to observe voting in the state’s Nov. 2 election, says the city’s director of elections, Christine Gibbons. “We feel like we’re being harassed and hindered in being able to do our daily work,” she says.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/chris-hurst-tampering-campaign-signs-polling-police-video
Virginia Dem caught tampering with voting site gets earful on 'fair elections' from police officer


https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-youngkins-win-proves-virginia-had-election-fraud-problem-1645721
Trump Says Youngkin's Win Proves Virginia Had an Election Fraud Problem


again. nobody whining about voter fraud because you won. what if you did all that and still lose? you honestly think these crazies wouldnt be whining about a rigged election? stop it. you say im repeating whatever insider article i see, yet every one of your post sound like infowars or tucker carlson nonsense.



Actually, I was presenting facts as to why Republicans are not calling for fraud and quoted articles.

My posts only sound like that because you choose them to vs reading the words that I type.

Apparently, you have politically segregated me as I am not "you".


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well when you respond like that, how else am i suppose to take it?

and my original post wasnt even directed at you. but the republican voters were whining about a rigged election before election. Trump was already whining about that.

so i dont understand why you got the audacity to get mad at the FACTS i posted. because again, its only a fair election if they win, but its voter fraud when they lose.

if you honestly dont think it wouldve gone down like that, then you're clearly the one not paying attention.


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