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Kenny stabler Hof coach 3 Hof wide receivers.
Ben Roethlisberger Hof head coach Hof defensive coordinator
Manning Hof head coach Hof running back Hof wide receiver
Get the point
I live in Wyoming have seen John Elways when he was playing Osu to a stand still John elway did not win a super bowl till he had shanahan as a coach.
The point is those players had a lot more around them
How good is baker if we draft Cedee lamb and Bateman and we hired Bruce Ariens
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Kenny stabler Hof coach 3 Hof wide receivers.
Ben Roethlisberger Hof head coach Hof defensive coordinator
Manning Hof head coach Hof running back Hof wide receiver
Get the point
I live in Wyoming have seen John Elways when he was playing Osu to a stand still John elway did not win a super bowl till he had shanahan as a coach.
The point is those players had a lot more around them
How good is baker if we draft Cedee lamb and Bateman and we hired Bruce Ariens This was one of the biggest head scratchers for me when Arians was openly campaigning for the Browns job and we didn't even talk to him.. Then he goes and wins a super bowl. Arians/Bowles looks alot better than what we have if the plan was to win now. Now we are stuck hoping this group pans out quick enough before we have to break it down again because of cap
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You know it when you see it.
These guys are franchise QBs according to me:
Joe Burrow
Lamar Jackson
Josh Allen
Mac Jones
Ryan Tannehill
DeShaun Watson
Justin Herbert
Patrick Mahomes
Dak Prescott
Matt Ryan
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Matthew Stafford
Kyler Murray
Russell Wilson Watched the game last night, your list got a little shorter.
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Crazy because Ryan was lights out for weeks leading up to that Cowboy game and then had two lemons in a row.
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Crazy because Ryan was lights out for weeks leading up to that Cowboy game and then had two lemons in a row. Which I believe is a big part of the problem... we microanalyze Baker because most of us watch every game, we rewatch it, we look at the stats and the post-game interviews... we don't do that with anybody else. We grade their body of work..... opinions on Baker go up and down like an EKG with every game, heck, every drive and every throw being analyzed and criticized.
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Baker also doesn’t have the body of work as someone like Matt Ryan. Ryan is a former MVP who has been money in the bank for 14 years.
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Considering the lack of scoring in so many games this season I don't believe that's true of most people here. After watching Browns fans post for so many years it seems more often than not as fans we overvalue our players simply because they wear a Browns uniform and objectivity is often lacking.
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One of the Berry’s worst maneuver was not making a offer when Mayfield had put us in the playoffs with no defense.
They could be in a corner if next year Mayfield balls out gets us to the playoffs
His salary demands are 60,000,000 per year when last year we could have gotten Mayfield for a average of 37,500,000
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Baker also doesn’t have the body of work as someone like Matt Ryan. Ryan is a former MVP who has been money in the bank for 14 years. Matt Ryan has more sub .500 record years than he does playoff appearances. He is arguably most famous for blowing the biggest lead in super bowl history... when he blew a 25 point lead in a quarter and a half... during which he had 4 possessions, where he picked up 2 first downs and fumbled once.
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I thought we all had moved past win percentage bring a QB stat? Also, are we having revisionist history about that Super Bowl? At the time Kyle Shanahan took a lot of heat and has since said he made the wrong play calls in the second half.
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I thought we all had moved past win percentage bring a QB stat? Also, are we having revisionist history about that Super Bowl? At the time Kyle Shanahan took a lot of heat and has since said he made the wrong play calls in the second half. Stefanski says after every bad game that it's on him... hasn't stopped the criticism of Baker.
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I thought we all had moved past win percentage bring a QB stat? Also, are we having revisionist history about that Super Bowl? At the time Kyle Shanahan took a lot of heat and has since said he made the wrong play calls in the second half. Stefanski says after every bad game that it's on him... hasn't stopped the criticism of Baker. Right. There is coach speak and what we all see happening on the field. Shanahan was calling pass plays up 25.
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Yeah, throwing your players under the bus would be a much better decision on his part.
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I thought we all had moved past win percentage bring a QB stat? Also, are we having revisionist history about that Super Bowl? At the time Kyle Shanahan took a lot of heat and has since said he made the wrong play calls in the second half. Stefanski says after every bad game that it's on him... hasn't stopped the criticism of Baker. Right. There is coach speak and what we all see happening on the field. Shanahan was calling pass plays up 25. So then poor play calling can make a QB look bad? It wasn't calling pass plays up 25 that was the problem, they ran the ball and some of their pass plays worked well... it was a couple instances where on 3rd and short, he called a pass play and Ryan got sacked, one resulted in a fumble... what other coach do we know that has a habit of going empty backfield and straight drop back on 3rd and short and then watching their QB get sacked?
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There are stupid play calls at all points of the game that kill drives and prevent points.
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One of the Berry’s worst maneuver was not making a offer when Mayfield had put us in the playoffs with no defense.
They could be in a corner if next year Mayfield balls out gets us to the playoffs
His salary demands are 60,000,000 per year when last year we could have gotten Mayfield for a average of 37,500,000 You think Mayfield's value has gone up since the end of last year?
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There are stupid play calls at all points of the game that kill drives and prevent points. Not trying to run the clock out up big with Brady and Belichick on the other sideline is very different than anything Stefanski has ever done. Shanahan has talked about this on the record very recently. https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aH...M2UtZGVkMC0xMWViLWEyMzEtNGIzMWM1ODNiNDk1Either way. If I can sign up for Matt Ryan’s career as a Browns fan I’m taking it every time.
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One of the Berry’s worst maneuver was not making a offer when Mayfield had put us in the playoffs with no defense.
They could be in a corner if next year Mayfield balls out gets us to the playoffs
His salary demands are 60,000,000 per year when last year we could have gotten Mayfield for a average of 37,500,000 You think Mayfield's value has gone up since the end of last year? He was speaking hypothetically of what could happen at the end of his 5th year if he gets healthy and plays much more consistent.
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One of the Berry’s worst maneuver was not making a offer when Mayfield had put us in the playoffs with no defense.
They could be in a corner if next year Mayfield balls out gets us to the playoffs
His salary demands are 60,000,000 per year when last year we could have gotten Mayfield for a average of 37,500,000 We can only dream that we would be able to pay Baker that much.
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Just think, if we were in the position most everyone on this board thought we would be at this time, we would already have to pay Baker a boat load no questions asked. But that's not where we are.
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Assuming Baker starts on his 5th year option.. if the Browns decide to go a different direction after then we have 2 years of Stefanski under contract to do something else to see if Baker really was the problem.
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Yeah, we should go through a few more HC's. That should solve everything. Sadly, HC's aren't throwing the ball.
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Yeah, we should go through a few more HC's. That should solve everything. Sadly, HC's aren't throwing the ball. Therefore, they are above blame.
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Certainly not totally blameless. But unless you think the HC is telling the QB he's not allowed to throw to an open WR if he's more than 10 yards downfield, with our OL I think there's a limit you can blame on the HC.
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Assuming Baker starts on his 5th year option.. if the Browns decide to go a different direction after then we have 2 years of Stefanski under contract to do something else to see if Baker really was the problem.
Those of you thinking that Jimma doesn't wear RABBIT EARS, think again. If the local and national talking heads are left to go unchallenged, giving their opinions, Jimma will lend them his ears!
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And just think, less than ten months ago everyone was giving him credit for getting it right this time. Ah how the direction of the wind keeps changing.
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[/color]And just think, less than ten months ago everyone was giving him credit for getting it right this time. Ah how the direction of the wind keeps changing.
[color:#FFFFCC]Pit...I certainly agree, WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED TO STFANSKI'S PLAY CALLING?
There is no doubt that Stefanski should give up the playcalling duties to Alex Van Pelt...the real Browns OC.
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Well your assertion seems to be that Baker can only succeed in a play action offense so maybe the problem is Stefanski needs a more well rounded QB. I don't know for sure.
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Well your assertion seems to be that Baker can only succeed in a play action offense so maybe the problem is Stefanski needs a more well rounded QB. I don't know for sure.
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Yes, being totally predictable on offense year in and year out sounds like a great long term plan. 
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Yes, being totally predictable on offense year in and year out sounds like a great long term plan.
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SOME HATE TO ADMIT IT...BUT STEFANSKI IS NOT AN EXPIRENCED OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR.
It is time that for the Browns "ARROGANT and POWER HUNGRY HC" to admit, HE IS NOT THE BEST OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR ON THE BROWNS COACHING STAFF !!!!!!!!!!!
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When did he "remove it"? You mean we don't use it as much as we used to because it was getting predictable? Hopefully Baker will become proficient enough not to be one dimensional QB since that's what you seem to be suggesting here.
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When did he "remove it"? You mean we don't use it as much as we used to because it was getting predictable? Hopefully Baker will become proficient enough not to be one dimensional QB since that's what you seem to be suggesting here.
So, if your the OC and you have a QB who among "the very best" at selling the run fake option, do you remove that weapon from your offense and change to a "pass happy" offense???
If you are an "INEXPERIENCED OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR" like Stefanski, YOU DO !!
STEFANSKI IS NOT THE BEST OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR ON THE BROWNS COACHING STAFF...pit, you know it and so do I.
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Once agian, who "removed it" from the offense? Are you saying we never run it?
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Once agian, who "removed it" from the offense? Are you saying we never run it?
BTW, once Van Pelt realizes that the only reason Haslam and front office boys keep him around is to have SOMEONE TO BLAME when offense fails to produce...Van Pelt will kiss Stefanski and the rest of this Haslam bunch, GOOD BYE.
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When Arians was in Cleveland as the OC. He was crucified weekly as the worst playcaller.
Injuries play a huge role in the NFL.
During OTA's and camp the optimism was off the charts.
We were coming of the first playoff win since Davy Crockett was on TV.
We are going to have the same coaching staff Two Years in a Row. Odell is coming back ready to roar.
Same OL. Brand new secondary. Added pass rushers. Let's Go.
We have not started the proposed starters all year. Odell left town. Who replaced him? Schwartz?
The players missing in games? Odell, Jarvis, Baker, Chubb, Wills, Conklin, Takk, Ward, Newsome, Delpit, JOK, Hubbard, DPJ, Hill.
Injuries hurt every team. We are not alone. Next man up is expected to step in and be good enough.
However, our depth at receiver in not good. Jarvis is not close to 100%.
Higgins is not a deep threat. Jarvis is not a deep threat. Schwartz is not a receiver yet. DPJ is hurt and is still a very young guy.
We are not a spread offense. We are based upon the run. Then play action off the run. The route trees are based upon timing.
Timed to the drop steps of the qb. If receivers are thrown off the timing. The qb ends holding the ball. If the receivers don't get open. The qb is left to wait for someone to come back on a scramble route. Baker's mobility is decent when healthy. He is now limited.
Complementary football is contributions from all phases. The Bengal game.
We are not good enough to win without complementary football. We are not going to comeback in a game throwing the ball.
Our formula is get the lead with a sustained balanced attack. And grind opponents down on offense while playing good defense and winning the turnover battle.
When we play that brand of football. We are a good team. Baker is plenty good enough.
If we were built to throw the ball and spread it out. Baker could do that with the right receivers.
Right now we have a team based upon one dimension and we do not have the capacity to change mid-season.
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This year through ten games we have 78 play action pass attempts amid our 294 pass attempts. An average of 7.8 play action passes per game. About 26% of our passes have been play action passes.
Last year through sixteen games we had 128 play action pass attempts amid our 501 passing attempts. An average of 8 play action passes per game. About 25% of our passes were play action passes.
What was your point again?
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This year through ten games we have 78 play action pass attempts amid our 294 pass attempts. An average of 7.8 play action passes per game. About 26% of our passes have been play action passes.
Last year through sixteen games we had 128 play action pass attempts amid our 501 passing attempts. An average of 8 play action passes per game. About 25% of our passes were play action passes.
What was your point again?
Just as important if not "more important" is when the play-action is called. The offense has to be able to "sell" the idea that the Browns offense is running the ball on a play-action fake in order to insure the pass play will succeed. Simply calling more play-action passes doesn't mean that Stefanski is utilizing the play-action fake at a time that insures a pass completion.
Those of you who don't want to believe me when I criticize Stefanski for abandoning the run when behind...TYPE INTO YOUR SEARCH..."Browns Stefanski abandons the run when his team is behind..."...and READ !
If Stefanski has developed a tendency to abandon the run when behind...HOW FREAKEN EFFECTIVE IS A RUN/PASS FAKE GOING TO BE?
Defenses will simply ignore the Browns run/pay fake and rush the passer, knowing that Stefanski is not going to run the ball regardless of a run/play option.
AGAIN...TYPE INTO YOUR SEARCH..."Browns Stefanski abandons the run when his team is behind..."...and READ !
This makes our QB a sitting duck for blitzing defenses...
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