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If that's true, I'm so freaking pissed. Way to make our organization look like criminal losers. I hope all involved are fired and sued.

Brian Flores is a brave man. Good for him.

I think someone mentioned this. Imagine what kind of corruption could have gone on with the sports betting if they were tanking on purpose.

If Hue has evidence, he should produce it. Until and unless that happens, the Browns are in the impossible position of having to prove something didn't happen.

The Browns angle on this story really needs its own thread. This could be a real catastrophe for the Browns if this gets investigated and proves in anyway true. As in Haslam forced to sell the team and all upper management gone kind of bad. Not that I’m a Haslam fan, that part doesn’t bother me so much but you can forget any kind of stability for probably 3-5years if it comes to pass. I don’t know if my fandom will survive that.

I would think his lawyer hot-dialed him and that Kimberly woman and told them to STFU right now. He I’m sure had no idea how exposed he is personally with that kind of accusation. I’ll be willing to bet that any evidence they may have will suddenly become very hard to find.

Man, if he goes on national TV and digs his own grave… that would be so Hue

Why?

If the NFL really knew about this, could they lose their business license?

Hue Jackson has NO Credibility ....

What's he hoping for, an asterisk next to his "worst coach in NFL history" title?

Sorry Hue, you did that all by yourself. You didn't need an incentive.

Hue backs down and just stomps on some sour grapes... as if he didn't know we were in a rebuilding process.

No smoke, no fire.

Yeah Hue just wants his 15 minutes.

Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along.

It's funny because he's complaining about a plan that basically said we would be competitive by year three and compete for the playoffs... "that's amazing to me, no coach takes a job to lose..."

You did, bozo, all you're admitting is that you knew it was true from the start.

What a dolt.

It's not really about taking a job knowing you are going through a rebuilding process and will lose a lot of games. The smoking gun would be if there is documented or verifiable evidence an owner bribed you to lose intentionally and that fallout could be serious (see article below).

It was just discussed on Sports Center that some owners have seemingly hired a minority candidate, so they look good in the eyes of the league and then proceed to tank with the minority HC who is then ultimately fired. See David Culley as a prime example of these accusations.

Stephen Ross, Jimmy Haslam could be prosecuted for violating the Sports Bribery Act
Posted by Mike Florio on February 2, 2022, 2:47 PM EST

As we continue to get our arms around the far-reaching implications of the landmark lawsuit filed against the NFL and multiple teams on Tuesday by former Dolphins coach Brian Flores, it’s possible that some wrists will end up encased in handcuffs.

While appearing on Dan Abrams’s SiriusXM POTUS 124 show earlier in the hour, we discussed the possibility of a prosecutor convening a grand jury on the specific question of whether Dolphins owner Stephen Ross or Browns owner Jimmy Haslam bribed coaches and/or others to deliberately lose football games. Flores has accused Ross of offering $100,000 per loss; former Browns coach Hue Jackson has suggested that Haslam did something similar.

The Sports Bribery Act criminalizes such conduct. Under 18 U.S.C. § 224, “Whoever carries into effect, attempts to carry into effect, or conspires with any other person to carry into effect any scheme in commence to influence, in any way, by bribery any sporting contest, with knowledge of the purpose of such scheme is to influence by bribery that contests, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.”

Based on the language of the statute, it doesn’t matter whether the offer is accepted. Liability arises if the person “carries into effect” the scheme or “attempts to carry into effect” the bribe. The mere offer of $100,000 to Flores, without more, would constitute a violation by Ross.

As to the Browns, acceptance of the inducement and acting on it would potentially extend criminal responsibility beyond Haslam. Jackson, if he acted on those offers and received those payments, would be potentially in trouble as well.

Whether anything happens with this angle of the controversy remains to be seen. But federal prosecutors have broad discretion as to the cases they will bring or not bring. Flores and Jackson have said more than enough to get someone’s attention. And that could be more than enough get someone indicted, sooner or latter.

Racism is thrown around way too much. The NFL is undoubtedly a shady/cutthroat business, but it's hard to show racist hiring practices after you've been hired as a HC. Throw in the fact that Flores hadn't even officially had the defensive coordinator title in NE, and one could probably argue the opposite. He had the defensive playcalling for one season after Patricia went to the Lions. It's not like he was a guy that was waiting forever to get his chance and was passed over constantly. He climbed the ranks rather quickly. He seems a strange choice for the face of a class action suit on racist hiring practices.

It didn't help his case this cycle that he couldn't find an OC to stick with while coaching the Dolphins. Hard to sell a plan for developing a QB with as inconsistent as Tua was.

Not sure what to think of the paid to lose side of things. Somewhat hard to believe seeing how angry/seething the owners looked while the losing was happening. Unspoken expectations of losing, sure, but brazen paying for losses is something else. Hue trying out a new excuse doesn't surprise me. If it were true, I would have thought he'd have used it sooner.

Nobody had to pay Hue to lose.

So Hue's "supporting evidence" for Brian Flores had nothing to do with what Brian Flores alleged, but may very well have diminished the effect of those allegations. Typical d*** move by the king of assclowns.

Agreed, we all knew the plan. Even if it was/wasn’t announced we were going to suck.
He should be happy if he got paid a “hazard pay” bonus for having to endure those rosters.

Lol....

The fact the Hugh is so dumb is maybe his greatest blessing in this case. If he had actually managed to put together any semblance of a coherent position in that interview he, the team, and potentially the league would be looking at major legal problems. But thank god he’s as dumb as a box of rocks. Sheesh

I don't think the Browns actually said that. I cannot find the source.

That's actually a movie quote from Billy Madison.

Well at least RG3 has jumped in the limelight and twisted things Hue didn't even say. He was also "done dirty" by the Browns as a "young QB trying to revitalized his career". Problem is, Hue apparently already saw the writing on the wall when the "ground moved beneath his feet", so Hue would also be implicit in this blatant racism.

It is a movie quote. McNeil is a humor account.

That's what happens when I don't watch Adam Sandler.

It would seem that what Hue is rambling on about has absolutely nothing to do with what Flores claimed and what his lawsuit is about. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I fully expect a hefty fine for the team and a loss of a draft pick for this debacle. Haslem should be forced to sell the team, first it was the fuel rebate scandal, now this. This is why Cleveland can't have nice things

What debacle? What exactly did the team do to warrant a fine, a loss of a draft pick and a forced sale of the team?

people are basically eating him alive because it's BS

I said it before, I'll say it again. His salary is known/was known.

Did he record this supposed extra money on his taxes? His tax returns will prove it. If he got the extra (same for Flores), it will be shown on the returns.

If he,and Flores, got the money, but didn't report it or pay taxes on it, they are in tax trouble.

It's a relatively easy figure out. I highly doubt the Dolphins owner was tossing $100,000 in cash to Flores for each loss. As such, proof should be relatively easy to access.

Hue Jackson

Dude you just told everyone a while back that the Browns deceived you when they hired you because they never told you that they were rebuilding now you're trying to tell us that the Browns offered you incentives lose. Which is it?!?! Somebody check and see if Hue's pants are on fire.

For being the model of a calculated rebuild without shenanigans?

Browns laid out the process, Miami tried to cut corners and break the rules.

Hue gets diarrhea of the mouth.