DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum 2022 Browns/NFL Free Agency Signings/News

Hammer...what I was researching was Cooks performance in games that occurred in Nov/Dec/Jan..the cold weather months in weather conditions that might be similar to what the Browns play in during Nov/Dec/Jan.

I decided to use Cook's stats from 2017, when he was 26 and playing the Patriots and Tom Brady at QB.

Below is the break down..targets and receptions caught my attention...Cooks was targeted 54 times and caught 28 passes...catching just 52% of the targeted passes. Now this is just one season, his 4th season in the NFL and he may have improved his play in colder weather over the last 4 seasons...but hopefully the Browns take a good look at his tendancies.

..date.....team.....temp..wnd...tgts..rec..yds..td..lng..
..Nov 12...Denver...48*...5......11....6....74...0....27..
..Dec 3.....Buffalo...48*...13....3......2....17...0....13..
..Dec 17...Pitt........42*....4.....7......4....60...1....43..
..Dec 24...Buffalo...35*....7.....5......2....19...0....14..
..Dec 31...Jets.......13*...13....11.....5....79...1....37..
..Jan 13...Tenn......24*...12.....9......3....32...0....13..
..Jan 21...Jack......48*....3......8......6....100..0....31..

Mac, that's analyzing. I thought you hated analytics, yet here you are, doing it.

Does anyone know the Packers did not re-sign Corey Bojorquez?

The Packers had one of the worst rated special teams of all times. They probably don’t mind distancing themselves from any of their guys who contributed to the poor unit.

Their special teams were really bad last year. I heard they also moved on from their punter.

arch...that is simply something you assumed.

j/c:

Is this the thread where we are supposed to place the NO/Philly trade? If so, I really don't understand this trade from the Saints' perspective. I'm going to try and read something as to why they made this move.

New England won every game in November thru January in 2017 except the one played in Miami. If he helps us win, I'm not overly concerned what his stats say.

Plus, you have to consider the game plan aspect. Teams generally don't have a ton of success throwing in bad weather games. It's not something specific to him. Fortunately, we also have a good running game.

I think 2020 might be an applicable year to look at, considering it was the one he spent playing with the QB that he would have here. In his first year with Watson, their rapport grew as the season went along. Cooks capped it off with a 166 yard, 2TD performance against the Titans in January.

link

vers...as you know, there is an entire forum dedicated to the subject of the upcoming draft.

If you are referring to this story/subject...Jeremiah, Brooks: What Eagles-Saints draft trade means...

What do you think..?

Philly fleeced the Saints by taking advantage of the Saints mentality of devaluing future draft picks.

A legend returns!

I mean this sincerely, so please don't flame me....

Was this guy really so bad? I do get hit in the head a lot (adult league hockey goalie) so am I just forgetting a ton of horrible kicks? I don't recall this guy being Zane-Gonzalez-losing-3-games-in-a-row bad, or anything like that. He was a rookie, as well.

I sure hope we draft a kicker late - Dicker or York, perhaps.

McLaughlin sucked, especially in the latter half of the season. One could argue with a better kicker last year, the Browns would have made the playoffs.

I'm curious..............is this yet another attempt to throw shade at the Brown's Front Office?

mac....hault the deep dive into the Brandin Cooks analytics. It appears he may be staying put. If nothing else, I do not see the Browns giving up a 2nd rd pick for him.

I'm curious... I read a post the other day claiming a poster was discussing the tone of a posters comments instead of addressing the content of the post. I'm certain I saw that you liked that post....

In this post of yours in reply to Mac - in what way are you addressing the content of his post? As I said - just curious. I thought what Mac highlighted was good football talk, especially for an AFC north cold weather team. I haven't seen Cooks play much since he left the saints. He was a top WR back then, I've no idea about his skills now, and if they deteriorate in cold weather I'd say that's important for us to consider.

I would be happy to have Cooks on the team now that we lost OBJ and Landry, but I wouldn't give up a 2nd round pick for him.

Deep throws have a lower completion percentage than dumpoffs to RBs. In bad weather, deep throws are affected the most. That's not a reflection on Cooks. Those are the realities all pass catchers deal with.

I'd be surprised to see the Browns give up a second for Cooks if HOU is steadfast with that in return.

We knew the Browns were willing to give up a ton of draft capital for Watson.

Good because he comes with a $16M price tag.

I really like this trade for Philly. I don't like any of the qbs in this year''s draft class. The 2023 QB class looks to be awesome. There are several guys that are going to be highly coveted. I know that I am OSU homer, but CJ Stroud is really, really good. I think he is much better [in regards to transferring to the NFL] than our previous QBs, and yes, I am including Justin Fields. Stroud is more accurate, but what really stands out is how he can go through his progressions much faster and better than the other guys we have had. Guys like Bryce Young and Phil Jurkovec are going to be hot items. There are also several others who are thought of at this point in time.

This trade gives Philly additional ammo to move up in the 2023 draft, which is important to any team looking to upgrade their QB.

I don't think that would be entirely accurate for us. The Texans already paid him this year's roster bonus. I'm also not sure if the 2.5M restructured portion of his contract would come with him or is there for accounting purposes and the Texans are stuck with it (I believe the latter, but I'm not sure.) His base salary for the year is 12.5M and he has a 1.5M escalator for 1,000 yds and the playoffs. If he were here and had 1,000 yards with us making the playoffs, he's probably worth ~14M. If we then didn't re-sign him, we'd probably get a decent comp pick for the contract he'd get coming off that type of year. If he has less than 1,000 yards, 12.5M isn't bad for a proven, reliable deep threat #2 receiver.

I'd definitely like the move better if we would keep our 2nd rounder somehow to address the DL.

That's still more money then we want to give Clowney, but yes, I agree that we do not want to give up our 44th selection. I would prefer we go after Fuller who is a FA.

I'm not a huge Fuller fan. He is always hurt and his hands are a bit inconsistent. He is a very good deep threat, though. I hope we bring Landry back and draft a WR. This year's class is loaded w/good WRs.

For me, that would depend on Fuller's health and how much money he wants.

Honestly, I'm fine with rolling without Fuller or Cooks. We can make do with the receivers already on the roster if we have to.

DL definitely needs addressed.

Yes, the injuries are why you don't want to pay too much, but he has only played less than 10 games (7), once, outside of last season (2), with Miami.

With out Hopkins in 2020, Fuller became Watson's number one receiver and he had a reception (Ctch%) of no less than 69% w/ Watson as the full time stater.

Thats the thing though, if you go into the season with the current WR room, this
Offense will have issues scoring points. Defenses will double Cooper on every obvious passing
Down. The running game will see loaded boxes.The Browns need a bonafide deep threat at WR.

At the beginning of the off-season this was my strategy for the Browns. Load up for next years QBs, because I didn’t like any of the current draft class. Next years, looks like it will have some top talent.

This is perfect for Philly. They can evaluate Hurts for one more year and then go many different ways depending on the end of year production/evaluation. This was the same process my opinion was for our team.

But I am definitely excited about the outcome we ended up.

The most yards per reception Fuller averaged in 6 seasons is 16.6.

DPJ averaged 21.7 his rookie season and 17.6 with broke Baker last year.

DPJ had 597 yards last year. Will Fuller had less than that in 3/6 of his seasons and has never broken 1k.

We don't know what we have in Schwartz.

Njoku averaged 13.2 yards per reception last season and can also help stretch defenses.

If they're doubling Cooper, They're not doubling Njoku and DPJ. Let them stack the box and get roasted on play action.

We can probably also work in the screen/jet sweep game to Jakeem Grant.

j/c:

That could be said every year before Cooper's arrival since..I dunno...Breshad Perriman?

At this point, I think our hands are tied regarding making more big moves in FA (watch us make another announcement like 5 minutes after I hit 'post'). I think if we want a deep threat WR, we're going to have to maneuver in the draft.

It's too bad that Baker's ego forced OBJ out of town. He was an excellent deep threat. He proved it before he got here and then again, after he left here.

You've been back - miraculously turning up as soon as Baker was going to be an Ex-Brown... You've spammed the board with more negative Baker posts and comments than anyone on the board including your latest "Bake Show" thread to revive and needlessly continue the Baker criticisms.... And here you are with revisionist history trying to create an entirely provable lie and fake narrative about OBJ who is on record from multi reliable sources as never wanting to be here. You left for a while but I guess a leopard doesn't change its spots.