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Hell ya! The team core is intact for numerous years now!
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Had no idea if this would happen or not. I am not sure if I heard of any rumors that talks were happening.
Highest paid until the next guy gets an extension. It’s the way it works.
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Excellent news imo. When healthy he is one of the top CBs in the league. I just pray that he stays healthy.
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Fantastic news!
By the time years 4 and 5 roll around, this will likely seem like a bargain and the Cap will be sky high in comparison.
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Excellent move by our FO, now sign Clowney and a DT and our D will as good as any in the NFL ...
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Wow!!
Huge move by Berry. IMO Ward is one of the top guys at corner in all football.
It was something that I was really nervous about. I did not believe we could pay Ward.
On defense we need one more high level talent opposite Myles. We can make due at DT with short term free agents and development players. That is the clear signal from signing Ward.
Berry will spend for key positions. QB, pass rushers, corners, OT, primary WR.
I doubt we sign Jarvis unless it is a big discount.
I think we are good at linebacker. With Hill as the slot corner, Ward and Newsome and Greedy as the backup. JJ, Delpit and Harrison I love the backend.
There will be some tough cuts down the road but Ward is a great guy to keep.
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spending like drunken sailors - we won't be able to have a team in 4 years.
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spending like drunken sailors - we won't be able to have a team in 4 years. The cap is going to skyrocket and we have the smartest guys in the room. The above is not a true statement.
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A.J. Green graded out really well last year too and is basically on a minimum contract. We have an embarrassment of riches in the defensive backfield.
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Ward and Newsome will be here for a while.
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I agree w/most of the others in that I strongly approve of this move. Excellent field corners are very hard to find and are a huge cornerstone for teams. I was worried that we would not retain Ward as I believed that you shouldn't let outstanding talent at key positions walk. I was a huge Dorsey fan and I don't think he should have been fired, but Berry is doing a fantastic job as GM. Not every move is a good one, but he has made multiple excellent and good moves. He also isn't afraid to stick his neck out there in order to bring the city of Cleveland a winner. I also think highly of him just as a person. He's intelligent, articulate, and possesses an even-keel demeanor that refreshing to see.
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A.J. Green graded out really well last year too and is basically on a minimum contract. We have an embarrassment of riches in the defensive backfield. True ... but we can't be complacent. Greedy will be a FA next seasn.
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A.J. Green graded out really well last year too and is basically on a minimum contract. We have an embarrassment of riches in the defensive backfield. True ... but we can't be complacent. Greedy will be a FA next seasn. I think if there’s any spot that will be continually upgraded it will be corner. Our front office knows that corners are the most valuable guys on defense.
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It looked like the Browns would never be a 500 team and we finally got there.
Then it was about having core talent at key positions. Berry started with Myles.
Then he worked at building. He went to the OL. Signed Conklin and drafted Willis. He extended Chubb and got Hunt for a song.
The next year he went defense. Drafting Newsome and JOK. Delpit was another key but he got injured. Then he signed JJ, and Hill.
Greedy and Delpit made it back from injury. Then he extended Bitonio and Teller. Berry saw the hole and went out and got Cooper.
Then the Big Move. Getting Watson was all about the window of opportunity. Watson as quarterback puts the Browns into the thick part of competition.
Ward is a great player. I was unsure if we could pay him. He is a guy you want to keep. Boundary corners like Ward are keepers.
One move left is needed opposite Myles. I doubt we sign Jarvis unless it is a big discount. I think we will sign Clowney. Use short term FA and developmental guys at DT. And look at the draft for more receivers.
I am happy about Ward.
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Excellent news! Great to get Ward locked up long term as one of the franchise's core players.
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Can’t have too many good corners, and DW is one of the best. Glad to read this today.
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Am I the only one surprised by the fact he is still only 24??? Seems like he's been around for a lot longer than that
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Browns Big Spenders this Offseason
The Browns have spent $340.5 million in guaranteed money on all contracts this offseason, the most in the NFL. That includes extensions, not only the money given to free agents, and $301.25 million of that total was given to Deshaun Watson and Denzel Ward.
TEAM GUARANTEED MONEY
Browns $340.5M
Dolphins $242.0M
Rams $224.3M
-- ESPN Stats & Information
When you look at the amount of guarantees compared to other teams, the Browns are on a spending spree that will have serious repercussions down the line. The breakdown details of Wards deal is not yet available but with what the Browns have already done and adding in Wards cap (which surely has a bunch of prorated bonus) the Browns will have over 160M in cap spent in 2023 for 6 players (Garrett, Watson, Ward, Chubb, Cooper and Teller.) With the cap projected to be 225M in 2023, the Browns already have 71% of their cap committed for just 6 of the 51 players to be rostered with 29 players already having prorated bonuses counting against the cap in 2023.
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Who would have thunk, the CB got the huge payday
Over the QB from that Browns draft class.
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That caught my eye for sure.
And I am sure it was a factor in the offer. The Browns pay close attention to age.
That and of course he is a really good player at premium position.
Ward is so fluid and he makes it look easy. He is "the flip your hips guy."
I am thrilled we signed him. My guess was we would lose him to free agency after this year.
A money thing and for no other reason.
This is a good deal. Good job AB.
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I forgot to add in the 7.5M in dead cap the Browns already have on the books for Hooper post 6/1 release, so the Browns actually have 167.5M committed for 2023 which is 74.44% of the cap committed to 6 players and dead cap.
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spending like drunken sailors - we won't be able to have a team in 4 years. LOL in four years the CAP will be 400 million LOL
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alot of money for an oft injured CB. Hopefully there is some incentives for playing time built in. Glad to see they aren't scared to pay their guys. You can believe other players are watching that
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And $260 million (projected) in 2024. I’m sure Ward’s cap hit will rise after 2023.
Many of the players you linked that are free agents ante inconsequential.
Again, I’ll be worried about the cap if it ever becomes a problem. It won’t be.
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Browns Big Spenders this Offseason
The Browns have spent $340.5 million in guaranteed money on all contracts this offseason, the most in the NFL. That includes extensions, not only the money given to free agents, and $301.25 million of that total was given to Deshaun Watson and Denzel Ward.
TEAM GUARANTEED MONEY
Browns $340.5M
Dolphins $242.0M
Rams $224.3M
-- ESPN Stats & Information
When you look at the amount of guarantees compared to other teams, the Browns are on a spending spree that will have serious repercussions down the line. The breakdown details of Wards deal is not yet available but with what the Browns have already done and adding in Wards cap (which surely has a bunch of prorated bonus) the Browns will have over 160M in cap spent in 2023 for 6 players (Garrett, Watson, Ward, Chubb, Cooper and Teller.) With the cap projected to be 225M in 2023, the Browns already have 71% of their cap committed for just 6 of the 51 players to be rostered with 29 players already having prorated bonuses counting against the cap in 2023. That makes it sound like we are reckless and acting without a thought out plan. That doesn't sound like our FO.
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Browns Big Spenders this Offseason
The Browns have spent $340.5 million in guaranteed money on all contracts this offseason, the most in the NFL. That includes extensions, not only the money given to free agents, and $301.25 million of that total was given to Deshaun Watson and Denzel Ward.
TEAM GUARANTEED MONEY
Browns $340.5M
Dolphins $242.0M
Rams $224.3M
-- ESPN Stats & Information
When you look at the amount of guarantees compared to other teams, the Browns are on a spending spree that will have serious repercussions down the line. The breakdown details of Wards deal is not yet available but with what the Browns have already done and adding in Wards cap (which surely has a bunch of prorated bonus) the Browns will have over 160M in cap spent in 2023 for 6 players (Garrett, Watson, Ward, Chubb, Cooper and Teller.) With the cap projected to be 225M in 2023, the Browns already have 71% of their cap committed for just 6 of the 51 players to be rostered with 29 players already having prorated bonuses counting against the cap in 2023. That makes it sound like we are reckless and acting without a thought out plan. That doesn't sound like our FO. it sounds like they are putting all of the chips on the table to win this year.
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Browns Big Spenders this Offseason
The Browns have spent $340.5 million in guaranteed money on all contracts this offseason, the most in the NFL. That includes extensions, not only the money given to free agents, and $301.25 million of that total was given to Deshaun Watson and Denzel Ward.
TEAM GUARANTEED MONEY
Browns $340.5M
Dolphins $242.0M
Rams $224.3M
-- ESPN Stats & Information
When you look at the amount of guarantees compared to other teams, the Browns are on a spending spree that will have serious repercussions down the line. The breakdown details of Wards deal is not yet available but with what the Browns have already done and adding in Wards cap (which surely has a bunch of prorated bonus) the Browns will have over 160M in cap spent in 2023 for 6 players (Garrett, Watson, Ward, Chubb, Cooper and Teller.) With the cap projected to be 225M in 2023, the Browns already have 71% of their cap committed for just 6 of the 51 players to be rostered with 29 players already having prorated bonuses counting against the cap in 2023. That makes it sound like we are reckless and acting without a thought out plan. That doesn't sound like our FO. it sounds like they are putting all of the chips on the table to win this year. I'd say for the next several years. I wouldn't put all that much stock in the quoted numbers. The numbers might be correct, but the method in which they are added up on a yearly basis give teams much flexibility. I don't think it is as dire as you think.
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I love Ward's effort and talent, but I hope he can give us a full season of that.
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And $260 million (projected) in 2024. I’m sure Ward’s cap hit will rise after 2023.
Many of the players you linked that are free agents ante inconsequential.
Again, I’ll be worried about the cap if it ever becomes a problem. It won’t be. uh we have to sign 24 players. + draft picks in 2023. 22 of those players will count against the cap. That means, we need at least 22 million in cap space... if we want to sign 22 Tre Harbison-type players. We only have cap 4 million in space. We don't have anyone who we can cut for cap space except Conklin and that is 6 mill and+ we will lose our RT. *We may be able to roll over cap space depending on how our contracts play out this year. So... are we planning on players playing both ways next year? LOL We need a minimum of like 43 contracts Plus, it sounds like the owners are really fired up and could vote to close the Watson guarantee clause this offseason. Berry has built his book of business on this 1st-year clause.
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Nice...how do we stand in cap space now? Do we have enough to do Clowney? I don't think we can eat some of Baker's contract. We will see what happens...Berry knows what he is doing. I think we are expecting a nice jump in the cap???
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Nice...how do we stand in cap space now? Do we have enough to do Clowney? I don't think we can eat some of Baker's contract. We will see what happens...Berry knows what he is doing. I think we are expecting a nice jump in the cap??? As far as I understand it, nothing changes with the cap in 2022. This extension starts in 2023 and Ward's salary in 2022 is his fifth year option that we picked up earlier and already part of 2022 cap.
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j/c: The hand-wringing over the salary cap is overrated. Teams continually find ways to manipulate the cap. Our FO is extremely intelligent and I'm sure they will find ways to circumvent any long-term issues. I won't post the entire article because it is rather boring, but I'll post a couple of excerpts that bolster what I'm referring to. "Basically, in the short term, the cap is meaningless," Over The Cap founder Jason Fitzgerald told theScore. "Anyone can make moves to get cap compliant, sign a player, and so on. Long term, it's more difficult if you do it over and over and over again."
Why this is so: A salary restructure is the simple act of moving money around by borrowing cap resources from a given year and incrementally stretching the payouts into future seasons. It's a short-term solution, but the consequences create the potential for long-term problems. and The cap seems to matter less than it used to, for a few reasons. The rookie pay scale that went into effect in 2011 prevented teams from having their hands tied by expensive, lengthy deals going to unproven players while also providing a cost-efficient way for teams to restock their rosters with younger, fresher talent. The salary cap is going to continue to increase. The last two Super Bowl champions went all-in and both are still among the top three favorites to return to another Super Bowl. I am glad our FO is willing to spend money in order to improve our team.
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Ward is a darn good CB...I just don't think he's worth that contract - meaning the highest paid CB in the league at the moment. I do not see teams avoiding him. As usual...time will tell.
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Respectfully, I think you don’t know what you are talking about.
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