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If you haven’t seen this going around yet.. it’s a pretty clear perspective…. (reposting from FB)

I’m not pro-murdering babies.
I'm pro-Becky who found out at her 20-week anatomy scan that the infant she had been so excited to bring into this world had developed without life sustaining organs.

I'm pro-Susan who was sexually assaulted on her way home from work, only to come to the horrific realization that her assailant planted his seed in her when she got a positive pregnancy test result a month later.

I'm pro-Theresa who hemorrhaged due to a placental abruption, causing her parents, spouse, and children to have to make the impossible decision on whether to save her or her unborn child.

I'm pro-little Cathy who had her innocence ripped away from her by someone she should have been able to trust and her 11-year-old body isn't mature enough to bear the consequence of that betrayal.

I'm pro-Melissa who's working two jobs just to make ends meet and has to choose between bringing another child into poverty or feeding the children she already has because her spouse walked out on her.

I'm pro-Brittany who realizes that she is in no way financially, emotionally, or physically able to raise a child.

I'm pro-Emily who went through IVF, ending up with SIX viable implanted eggs requiring selective reduction to ensure the safety of her and a SAFE number of fetuses.

I'm pro-Jessica who is FINALLY getting the strength to get away from her physically abusive spouse only to find out that she is carrying the monster's child.

I'm pro-Vanessa who went into her confirmation appointment after YEARS of trying to conceive only to hear silence where there should be a heartbeat.

I'm pro-Lindsay who lost her virginity in her sophomore year with a broken condom and now has to choose whether to be a teenage mom or just a teenager.

I'm pro-Courtney who just found out she's already 13 weeks along, but the egg never made it out of her fallopian tube so either she terminates the pregnancy or risks dying from internal bleeding.

You can argue and say that I'm pro-choice all you want, but the truth is:
I'm pro-life.
Their lives.
Women's lives.

You don't get to pick and choose which scenarios should be accepted.

It's not about which stories you don't agree with. It's about fighting for the women in the stories that you do agree with and the CHOICE that was made.

Women's rights are meant to protect ALL women, regardless of their situation!

#roevwade #prochoice #abortion #women #womensrights #mybody #mychoice #mybodymychoice #BanOffOurBodies

Where was your outrage on Jan 6. I mean that was an attack on an American institution but NOOOOOOO,,, anything to support that useful idiot of yours.

By the way, the leak, which has been confirmed as real, supported the abortion ban so yup,, it's about abortion..

jc

message to these right wing men out there:

for all the redpill incel losers whining about being nice guys who get friendzoned, life is about to get HELLA painful for you now. yall thought your phones were drier than the sahara desert? yall bout to be on some Last Man on Earth kinda nonsense.

at least women had to settle for losers like them. now? yea, women gonna keep their legs closed for sure now, and we all know whats gonna happen: the same guys telling women to keep their legs closed will be the ones shooting up malls and bars cause no women want to sleep with them or go out on dates. what do them clowns call men like us? Chads or something like that? murder-suicides bout to go through the roof!

yall better be glad i've been married for 14 years. the state of men today in this country is straight up trash. i'd have a sex cult going by now. have to buy a compound in utah or something for polygamy. there's so many loser ass dudes in this country.

doesn't matter how much you restrict women's bodies. doesn't matter how many minorities you try to kick out the country. she still doesn't want to date you, bro. even with her having a kid by a different dude and being sold a dream, she still isn't gonna regret not dating you cause...well, you're you. and you suck. you're not attractive, you look like you need to take a shower, you walk around in public like you just rolled out of bed, and every woman can see your social media post trashing feminism and saying women should be at home, not in the workforce.

be glad dudes like me are already taken. lord...go ahead and pay for that subscription to pornhub, or go get a cat. because thats the closest thing to a woman yall gonna get in the future.

Individual sad stories won't make up for the tens of millions of babies killed through Abortion.

Why not post a story about the lines of hundreds of women who march for life in Washington each year
holding signs saying, "I Regret My Abortion"

Putting more effort into saving lives would be commendable.

dead ass, white black latino, it doesn't matter. so many dudes in this country are pathetic. seeing guys in public in groups like a big ass sausage party. like bruh go talk to a girl. the dudes who be the loudest on boards or public with this anti-feminism nonsense are the same dudes i wouldn't be caught dead with in a nightclub. yall dudes are literally like bug repellent for women. they can smell the punk ass beta on yall a mile away. then when a woman is actually interested, losers be sweating they asses off and tongue tied. like bro its a woman not an alien from another solar system.

and then when they get rejected, wanna call womens all kinds of insults, as if women are entitled to accept your advances. bro, women aren't obligated to even acknowledge your existence, nevermind be nice to you. just cause homegirl working at applebee's smiled at you doesn't mean she's into you, broskie.

seriously i wish we actually had equality in this country. men want to try and control women's bodies? fine, women should get to decide which dudes get a vasectomy or not, because it does take two to tango, after all. if women can't bail on a pregnancy for any situation, then that should mean SERIOUS jail time for any dude who doesn't take care of said baby, as well.

but we all know those sort of laws won't be implemented. boy oh boy, a lot of dudes in this country who are conservative just absolutely played themselves. even in big picture politics, you guys think this is gonna increase the birth rates?

its about to get WORSE, cause now women are definitely not gonna let some of you clowns sell the dream to smash. man i wish i could clone myself twice, and put them dudes on opposite ends of the country and just let them have at it. these loser ass men would HATE me.

RIGHT!…we deserve the leaders we got. Maybe we be voting a little smarter next time.

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"You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies can have on a person!"

Actually there is no law that prevents leaking or statute that calls it a crime. So prosecution would be a challenge. Basically, it would require an interpretation of existing law, but under the "original interpretation of the constitution" mantra, there is nothing that can be done.

We really don't have a democracy either. It is a representative republic, you know that kind where 30 percent of the people can make laws that 70 percent disagree with.

Actually, it's not illegal. There are no laws on the books that prohibit leaks like this. Seems like there should be, but not at this point.

Yes, it is!

Stealing is illegal. That opinion written was the property of the Supreme Court.

Using government property for your own private gain is also illegal.

There are other laws that were broken by the leakier.

Did someone steal the actual document?


Was someone paid or rewarded financially for the information?


And what would they be?

I'm not trying to argue with you I'm just trying to find an actual basis for your assertion.

As far as I know there was no actual document stolen nor as far as I know was anyone compensated in any way for disclosing the information. For the document to be stolen it would have to be the original opinion written by the SCOTUS. I don't think that happened.

j/c

I'm just curious about something I think very well may be the next step in banning abortions by women even if they leave a state where abortion is illegal and travel to state where it is legal. Here is some information describing that possibility actaully happening.......


So what does everyone think about this? Should any state who outlaws abortion in their own state have the right to make or enforce any laws, be they criminal or civil, to travel to a state where it is legal to get an abortion? Because some of you say it won't be illegal, you only have to have it done in a state where it's legal. I think many of us understand that the next war on abortion will be to prevent anyone living in your state from getting an abortion anywhere in America.

Nope, that should not be legal and should be struck down. A state only gets to govern what happens within it and nothing else. The above is just gross overreach and I'll be shocked if the Supreme Court doesn't wipe it out.

It would have to be addressed under the "conspiracy to commit a crime" mantra. But it is not really that, because of the civil litigation strategy. I don't see how it could apply, but then again, the whole Texas framework that allows civil litigation by uninvolved parties should have been ruled unconstitutional. That was/is a simple ruling, complicated by the subject it involves.

That issue still has to be addressed.

I'd believe this would implicate the 14th (equal protection) and one might even consider a 1st amendment challenge, though that might be a harder argument to make.

1A does not protect against criminal speech*, but does saying you want to go somewhere else to participate in a legal activity become a crime because the local jurisdiction does not allow it or does 1A protect you from the speech being a crime? Interesting constitutional question.

*Yelling "fire!" in a crowded theatre has been used as an example of speech not protected by 1A, however that is not entirely true. If there is a fire in the theatre you most certainly can yell "fire!" to alert people, this serves the public good. Yelling "fire!" to induce panic is against the public good, would be criminal (or at least carry civil liability) and thus would not be protected speech.

It's cute that they think this will stand and are worried about how to treat people awfully when they don't comply.

I don't really understand the goal.

Why would someone else care whether or not another person has a baby? That's a personal decision and certainly not the government's! This is one issue I've never really understood.

Personally I think the constitution should be amended to include abortion! Wouldn't that be something, Lolol. People would be flipping their wigs.

MARK THE MOMENT! TB and I agree!

Leaking is a tough slope.. on one hand you want whistleblowers... but I think in this case it was a whistle blower... you could probably argue obstruction of justice but I don't think that'd be a strong case...

I think this was a huge ethical no no if it was a clerk (which it likely was)... I think they should be fired and disbarred if found out...

I agree.

Having said that, I'll also mention that this is a great opportunity for those who are interested to "see how the sausage is made." All these drafts get sent around to all the justices for review/comment. Many times, the final draft is a substantially sanded-down version of the original, often altered after feedback. The aim is to present a case that will pass the majority. Often times, the original opinion is too strident to get enough justices on board. It was interesting to see Alito's first move on the chessboard. What would be even cooler would be to hear/read the back & forth that would ensue. I find this stuff fascinating, and often wish I was a 'fly on the wall' in the rooms where news is made.

No, it isn't.
It's unethical.
It's unprofessional.
It's a breech of professional trust.
But it isn't against the law. There is no standing statute that makes this an actionable offense.

I'm pretty sure you think it should be illegal. I won't argue that with you. Maybe it should. Someone needs to bring it to the floor and make it law before anyone will be ever prosecuted for this. I would enjoy hearing the debate, because there would be interesting arguments on either side of the subject.

The father of is the only person that I can think would have a vested interest. But that is generally overlooked.

Oh really lol According to your thinking why would someone else care whether or not another person kills their 1 week old child, or 1 year old child, or 10 year old child? That's a personal decision and certainly not the government's! How about if the constitution allowed infanticide. Wouldn't that be something Lolol. People would be flipping out.

Forget it man. Life is life and some people just don't want to admit that.

He’s says ironically as he takes another bite of steak.


Hey GM, hyperbole much. Geez what a diva.


Ain’t your cell clump. Ain’t your business. You will never stop abortion. You’ll only stop safe abortions. Congrats on attempting to craft a more dangerous world.

hyperbowl lmao... ya right.


Now THATS hyperbole

Wait, what did anyone expect from those three... That's why they were rushed in place... Especially Barrett

Do you think overturning RvW will fully stop abortions? If not…
Do you believe coat hangers are safer than doctors?

Do you believe overturning it will make all abortion illegal? If not then your next question is just hyperbole.

What it will do is target those with the least. If you live in abject poverty, have no transportation or money which creates a situation where you lack the ability to travel long distances, you will not be able to get an abortion. Those that have money and transportation have the luxury of making a choice. In that regard the right will have achieved their goal. So no, the law will not make all abortions illegal. It will only stop the very poor from having a choice.

To a certain degree this may be true. Here in Baltimore things are likely to not change at all. This is a very liberal city so there will be little change.

You may be more correct in places like Miami or Dallas.

And that's what I was referring to. In states where abortion remains legal with very few restrictions it will have no impact on women at all. So far it appears as though there will be 26 states that will banning abortions. Some already have trigger laws in place that will automatically make abortion illegal 30 days after Roes is overturned on the books. The poorest women in those 26 states will be the most effected.

What you said:


There was no discussion of anything but abject poverty and and stopping the poor from having a choice. You made a blanket statement that was only partially true, in the right situations. Your argument was sophist and intended to evoke an emotional response.

Yet I agreed with you and clarified my intent without any confrontation. I actually started my last response to you pointing out that's what I was referring to. You do understand that meant I was agreeing with you,right? And here you are trying to start an argument.

Let me ask you something only someone who wishes to argue would have to ignore in order to start such an argument.



How could that possibly apply to anyone who lives in a state where abortion would still be legal? You're trying too hard.

You made a blanket statement such that the poor would have no choice. You either expect me to read your mind and fill in the blanks in your presentation or you expect me to take it at face value. It is not my job to find a way to convince myself using your arguments. If I have to do so then your argument is incomplete or not well thought out or presented. All I am saying is you were not precise, I agreed in part and you found a way to argue that.

If someone attempts to murder another human being using a close hanger they deserve what they get. Do you feel sorry for someone that attempts to stab someone else and they cut themselves badly? Do you feel sorry for someone that attempts to shoot another person and accidentally shoots themselves? Abortion is murder! Women do have rights to their own bodies. If they don't want to get pregnant don't do the deed that makes you pregnant.