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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
It looks accurate from what I saw....$4,038 in grant support. 2018 Form 990 shows over $32,475.

Yep.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/821348908/202023159349304507/IRS990

https://www.open990.org/org/821348908/hue-jackson-foundation/

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I’m glad that everyone else now also knows that Hue Jackson is the worst.

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Years after Hue is gone people can't keep his name out of their posts. Yet people complain about people talking about OBJ only months after he left. You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried folks. I mean, after these years, who really care about Hue Jackson? It appears many of you do.

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Hue Jackson horrible coach, even worse person.

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Ahhhh...

It's "us" that can't Hue's name out of our mouths.


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You do realize that us is plural just like the word people, right?


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Years after Hue is gone people can't keep his name out of their posts. Yet people complain about people talking about OBJ only months after he left. You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried folks. I mean, after these years, who really care about Hue Jackson? It appears many of you do.

rofl

The guy that had a Sashi Brown-related signature until last year is attempting to legislate posts about Hue Jackson "after all these years". rofl


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I'm not trying to legislate anything. Just watching the circus. You don't have to like clowns to watch the circus.


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Lolz.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Years after Hue is gone people can't keep his name out of their posts.


Is that seriously your takeaway from the HJF tax form? Don't try to make it sound like HJ is in the spotlight for any other reason than he's an attention-whore.

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No-one was talking about Hue. Hue leaped into the Flores "discussion" by lying and getting himself erroneously inserted. So he and his meritless publicity got introduced to this Brian Flores thread ... seems entirely justified to highlight this new tweet from today, Feb 28th, and add it to the discussion to show what a complete and utter douche this person is.

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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie


Lolz.

Ahhh... now I get it, Hue.

You took your own money... donated it... and then paid yourself as executive director. To a charity that donated less than 5% of the money.

When Hue speaks, it's usually not @IRS_CI that gets to grab the popcorn!






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I’m sure this was worth the horrible PR Hue took that was totally predictable and avoidable.

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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Years after Hue is gone people can't keep his name out of their posts. Yet people complain about people talking about OBJ only months after he left. You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried folks. I mean, after these years, who really care about Hue Jackson? It appears many of you do.

rofl

The guy that had a Sashi Brown-related signature until last year is attempting to legislate posts about Hue Jackson "after all these years". rofl

You just wait...... Hue's going to get another NFL HC gig with "real players" to prove it really was all Sashi's fault.


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That's not clownish - that corrupt and exploitative.

No it's legal. That's why so many do it. A lot of these charitable foundations, and political pacs do that.


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He already got some "real talent" and could do nothing with it. That's why he got fired mid season. I didn't see anyone objecting when he did.


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Brian Flores files letter to oppose sending case to arbitration

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 9, 2022, 1:57 PM EST


As PFT noted shortly after former Dolphins coach Brian Flores announced his lawsuit alleging racist hiring practices in the NFL, sending the case to arbitration has the potential to derail the suit. Today the attorneys for Flores filed a letter opposing that happening.

Flores and his attorneys are arguing that the case should be argued through the legal system in open court, and not through private arbitration.

“The claims that we filed involve important issues of systemic race discrimination and the integrity of NFL football games,” Flores said in a statement. “Unfortunately, the Dolphins and their attorneys, Quinn Emanuel and Paul Weiss, are trying to push the claims against the Dolphins into secret arbitration proceedings that lack transparency. There are currently ongoing legislative efforts to end forced arbitration for claims of race discrimination, which I fully support. I would hope that the NFL and Dolphins would also support those efforts. Commissioner Goodell now has a choice to make. Will he allow this case and future race discrimination claims to play out in a transparent and public legal process, or continue along the same unacceptable path?”

Flores wants the case he brought to be heard out in the open, and sending it to arbitration would result in the case being kept quiet.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...r-to-oppose-sending-case-to-arbitration/


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I can't say I am surprised that this became a "Hue" thread, but I think there are a few extremely important aspects of this story.

1. There is no doubt in my mind that minority coaches are not being given equal opportunity by NFL owners. Seventy percent of the players are black. Yet, last year, only two blacks were head coaches. Tomlin in Pittsburgh has never once had a losing season. The other was the dude in Houston who was a sacrificial lamb. Hell, I thought the guy actually got the Texans to overachieve. Furthermore, I think a lot of black coaches get thrust into terrible situations. They get hired by losing teams and then are discarded. Very few get a second chance. I think it is unfair and folks need to fight for equality.

2. I respect that Flores filed the lawsuit. However, he probably should have not divulged secrets about the folks in Miami and Denver. Trust goes a long way w/people. Telling organizational secrets does not illicit trust. It gives the owners and other racist people a chance to say......"they can't be trusted." While it may be unfair, I think it is best for blacks and other minorities--and even women--to carry themselves w/the utmost dignity and integrity. Never give those in power to say things like: "See what they do when you give them some power."

3. I can't believe some are pretending that teams like the Browns, Dolphins, etc didn't tank. They most certainly did. I also think that tanking is a huge black eye on professional sports. It compromises the integrity of the game. Teams should be severely punished for tanking. Additionally, think of the athletes themselves. You work your entire life to reach the pinnacle of your chosen profession. You have to be incredibly competitive and you know your time is short in the league. Yet, some brainiacs in suits choose to intentionally lose games. Changes are made and all of a sudden you are out of a job. I have zero respect for anyone who believes that intentionally losing games to improve their draft position is a sound strategy. It's a huge tarnish on the game, much like Shoeless Joe Jackson and the Black Sox.

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3. I can't believe some are pretending that teams like the Browns, Dolphins, etc didn't tank. They most certainly did. I also think that tanking is a huge black eye on professional sports. It compromises the integrity of the game. Teams should be severely punished for tanking. Additionally, think of the athletes themselves. You work your entire life to reach the pinnacle of your chosen profession. You have to be incredibly competitive and you know your time is short in the league. Yet, some brainiacs in suits choose to intentionally lose games. Changes are made and all of a sudden you are out of a job. I have zero respect for anyone who believes that intentionally losing games to improve their draft position is a sound strategy. It's a huge tarnish on the game, much like Shoeless Joe Jackson and the Black Sox.

The minute I finished reading this paragraph, I thought of Joe Thomas:
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Great point about Joe Thomas. I didn't even have him in mind when I made that comment, but you are correct. Think about this......say you are a marginal guy not making a ton of cash. You have a family. You are fighting and clawing to stay in the league and your team intentionally tanks. The culture is absolutely toxic because everyone knows the powers-that-be are intentionally trying to lose and ridding themselves of good players in order to obtain draft picks. Your stock falls and soon you are out of a job. You have a wife and kids to support and you worked your entire life to make a living at the game you love. You find yourself on the streets.......yet again.

There is a line from Pink Floyd's Us and Them that is about war, but is apropos here:

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I want to truly believe the Browns are not one of those teams that potentially tanked. I personally think we did not, and that Hue is just trying to get his name mentioned again. Another attention hog that doesn't know how to handle it when he is not in the news. There was no way that the team that went 0-16 should have had that record they were better than that. Hue just was not good.




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I'm biased. Just putting that out in front.

I think we operated in a grey area between being competitive and tanking. I think we sacrificed a bunch in the short term ("tore it down to the studs", "took advantage of other teams devaluing future draft picks", "played the younger guys to see what we have", etc). What we were doing before the 'tanking' obviously wasn't working.

If that constitutes 'tanking' for you, then ok. I'm less inclined to throw around that label because we did it to get more competitive faster. Maybe I'm splitting hairs to give my team the benefit of the doubt.


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I would agree with you. To think any other way would be to suggest that any time a team makes a strategic decision for the future, and sacrifices anything but the best possible team on every Sunday, they are in some form 'tanking'.

And let's not lose sight of what the Flores claim was - his claim was there was a bonus offer to lose. That's in a whole new ballpark regardless of what teams do in order to cut dead wood and lay a foundation for the future.


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Exactly! (Flores being offered money/loss)

Hue failing miserably on national media to get the 'tanking' label to stick is really telling. Again, I don't begrudge anyone for disliking what we did. We did push some boundaries to accumulate the draft and $$ capital we had when Dorsey came in. We did things that nobody else was doing (Osweiler trade, for example). You can absolutely make a compelling argument that that was tanking. IMO, it wasn't... there was a line we did not cross.


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I also think that tanking is a huge black eye on professional sports. It compromises the integrity of the game. Teams should be severely punished for tanking. Additionally, think of the athletes themselves. You work your entire life to reach the pinnacle of your chosen profession. You have to be incredibly competitive and you know your time is short in the league. Yet, some brainiacs in suits choose to intentionally lose games. Changes are made and all of a sudden you are out of a job. I have zero respect for anyone who believes that intentionally losing games to improve their draft position is a sound strategy. It's a huge tarnish on the game, much like Shoeless Joe Jackson and the Black Sox.

Could not disagree more. You do whatever you have to do within the rules of the game to get better. In the case of the NFL, you cannot win without a QB. You do whatever you have to do to get one. In the case of the NBA, you cannot win without a top 5 player. You do whatever you have to do to get one. There aren't any rules being broken here. If people don't like it, change the rules.

As for the players themselves, they are responsible for their own play. You can still work hard, play great, improve, and prove your worth on losing teams. That's how you guarantee longevity. If you're good, your career will continue.

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Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but I thought there were some shenanigans related to Horton's exit from Cleveland. I still wouldn't be surprised if we (legitimately) got dragged into this simply due to the sheer number of coaches that have come through here in the last 20 years.


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Wait.......I thought he said he had the documents to prove it...

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What did Hue have to say for himself and his claim..?




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Wait.......I thought he said he had the documents to prove it...

There was a pic of his foundation spokeswoman holding some papers pretty much saying that they were the smoking gun. I don't remember where I saw it.


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When it comes to Hue Jackson,,, I get the feeling he brought this to light to in a way defend his horrible record as a head coach in Cleveland.. His version of "the devil made me do it" in this case, the devil being Haslam....

As for him having proof, I'd say that like other parts of our lives today, Proof is something that is missing from lots of far out claims..... Seems that is the way things work today.


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Originally Posted by mac
What did Hue have to say for himself and his claim..?


I thought someone else might ask, How could the NFL do a "legitimate investigation" of this matter if they didn't even talk to Hue?

The information released by the NFL creates some more questions...some that are brought up in the article below...

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“Prior arbitration proceeding” between Browns and Hue Jackson wasn’t over unpaid salary

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The statement issued by the NFL on Monday regarding the investigation into claims made by former Browns coach Hue Jackson that the team offered incentives to lose in 2016-17 included a curious comment in the final paragraph. The league revealed that Jackson and the Browns were involved in a “prior arbitration proceeding.”

So what was the prior arbitration proceeding about? Per a source with knowledge of the situation, it wasn’t about money. Jackson, per the source, received every penny of his buyout, with no effort by the team to withhold his pay.


The Browns, per the source, remain confused about the purpose of the arbitration proceeding filed by Jackson. The source speculates that Jackson may have simply been trying to show that his abysmal win-loss record as coach of the Browns (3-36-1) wasn’t his fault.

Regardless, the prior arbitration proceeding resulted in filings and testimony that allowed the investigation to be completed without Jackson’s cooperation. Based on Jackson’s prior comments to SI.com, that arbitration apparently was aimed at raising his concerns through the proper channels.

So why did Jackson refuse to cooperate with the investigation? Was he concerned that evidence of deliberate tanking in 2016 and/or 2017 would expose him to liability? Did he realize that it would be difficult to change his prior testimony from the arbitration proceeding? Or did he just conclude it was a waste of time, if those issues were indeed previously presented via the NFL’s in-house secret rigged kangaroo court?

Regardless, Jackson pulled the pin on the grenade by chiming in after former Dolphins coach Brian Flores accused Dolphins owner Stephen Ross of offering $100,000 for each loss in 2019. When the grenade went off, he was nowhere to be found.





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Looks like it's just procedural, right?


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