Hopefully this thread does not turn into another BM thread.
The Browns will most likely add another player or two to the DL. Obviously, we are all holding out that Clowney returns.
My concern is not so much who we have currently as receivers because we have a good mix of skills.
My concern is what happens if Cooper gets injured? That leaves "potential" to replace a veteran. DPJ, Schwartz, Bell all the others all of sudden look weak.
Jarvis is gone unfortunately. Cooper is a vet but he is not Jarvis from a leadership point of view. If Cooper were injured the options don't look very strong.
IMO we need a guy. There are not many options. Julio Jones is 33. He is probably a $11m guy for a one year deal.
IMO he would be a good pick up. He would not be depended upon to be "the guy". He would be a good insurance guy to have.
He could contribute as a part time player, and be huge if we lost Cooper.
We are in a win now mode. I would hate to be looking for a unproven guy to carry the load if Cooper went down.
Will Fuller is an option as well. Not much else is out there. Unless June 1st brings cuts.
If any WR goes,down it spells trouble . If Cooper goes down then defenses don't have to commit a double team to anyone They can bring a extra Blitzer down in the box causing DW to throw off schedule If DPJ , Schwartz, or Bell goes down then Cooper will face bracket coverge all day And that's something Cooper did not face alot last year . In fact I expect Cooper to be doubled sooner than later when the season begins I can see defenses alot playing alot of cover 2. Taking away DPJ and Schwartz supposed strengths, And forcing them to work underneath more
It looks like Jones and Fuller are about the only guys left other than OBJ and the latter will probably be out for until late November or December. I really don't like either Fuller or Jones [at this point of his career.] I wonder if we could trade for a guy?
I saw this name on another thread, but I think Cole Beasley could help out a bit. He was injured last year, but he is very good in the slot and can give us some much-needed experience.
I feel like a good QB will raise the level of their receivers ... with only so many roster spots to come from that group and Grant is basically a ST guy ... much of the o/a success will depend on Schwartz taking a step, and I am not all that confident that he will ever display the hands of a receiver, therefore I concider this group to be the weakest on the team ... even if Watson can raise the play of guys like DPJ. Either one of the rookie WRs' not named Bell needs to show potential or we need to bring in another Veteran into this group.
If any WR goes,down it spells trouble . If Cooper goes down then defenses don't have to commit a double team to anyone They can bring a extra Blitzer down in the box causing DW to throw off schedule If DPJ , Schwartz, or Bell goes down then Cooper will face bracket coverge all day And that's something Cooper did not face alot last year . In fact I expect Cooper to be doubled sooner than later when the season begins I can see defenses alot playing alot of cover 2. Taking away DPJ and Schwartz supposed strengths, And forcing them to work underneath more
Schwartz has done absolutely nothing (besides running fast) to be considered a legit member of our receiving corp.
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Me dumb. Sorry, but a little help. What does that "o/a success" mean or refer to in this context? I agree with you that I have very little confidence in Schwartz, and I haven't seen much development to dissuade that. Just brain lock as to what you were stating.
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Schwartz scares me because I don't think he is a natural catcher of the football. There is one highlight that networks show over and over again when discussing Baker, but the latter delivered a perfect deep pass to Schwartz and while Schwartz did eventually catch it, he fought it like the ball had razor blades protruding from its skin. That play is similar to others when I feel he just doesn't have natural hands. Of course, I could be dead wrong about that and I hope he changes my mind w/his future performance.
Me dumb. Sorry, but a little help. What does that "o/a success" mean or refer to in this context? I agree with you that I have very little confidence in Schwartz, and I haven't seen much development to dissuade that. Just brain lock as to what you were stating.
Hopefully this thread does not turn into another BM thread.
We are in a win now mode. I would hate to be looking for a unproven guy to carry the load if Cooper went down.
Will Fuller is an option as well. Not much else is out there. Unless June 1st brings cuts.
Hard to predict injury, but to your point, not only June 1 cuts. Camp cuts will produce a few vets.
At this point I don't know of any real WRs left that aren't "just guys". Maybe we could still trade for another? I know i have mentioned Hunt as a trade possibility. I guess I could include D'ernest as well. I don't think we just drafted a back for the heck of it..extend Hunt or DJ and trade the other. Both are starting quality backs
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Me dumb. Sorry, but a little help. What does that "o/a success" mean or refer to in this context? I agree with you that I have very little confidence in Schwartz, and I haven't seen much development to dissuade that. Just brain lock as to what you were stating.
Basically Schwartz needs to show that he belongs, or he is just taking up a roster spot in a group that can ill afford a weak link, because we have but one astablished Veteran in the group, and we are already banking on a rookie to be an intrical wheel in the machinery.
The only comment I have to make in this regard is that it seems very strange to me to invest so much money in a QB and then not go out and get him the weapons to excel and accentuate the passing game.
People can say what they like, but nobody else on the current roster has proven themselves worthy of the #2 WR and as has often been the case with the Browns, all the fans are left with is hope DPJ has developed and Schwartz who has shown nothing so far will suddenly be a good contributor. They are once again in the position of "I think he will become"... "I think he has the potential to" and "He has the skill set to". There's always hopes and dreams I guess. I just hope for the sake of you all that it doesn't turn out the way it usually does when that's all you have.
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Our WR depth is - remarkably - worse or more unknown than it was last year. Which is quite a feat. Three of the top WRs and our "TE1" from last year are no longer on the team. Our TE room is nothing but potential. I hope Browns fans are tempering their enthusiasm because we are - once again - heading into the TC season on a wing and a prayer with our pass-catching group.
Me dumb. Sorry, but a little help. What does that "o/a success" mean or refer to in this context? I agree with you that I have very little confidence in Schwartz, and I haven't seen much development to dissuade that. Just brain lock as to what you were stating.
Basically Schwartz needs to show that he belongs, or he is just taking up a roster spot in a group that can ill afford a weak link, because we have but one astablished Veteran in the group, and we are already banking on a rookie to be an intrical wheel in the machinery.
I agree with you...but Schwartz is exactly what we drafted. He's got an elite trait (speed) and questions at route-running and catching the ball. It's not his fault that he was exactly what was drafted. We need better...and today there isn't anyone to push him off the roster.
If any WR goes,down it spells trouble . If Cooper goes down then defenses don't have to commit a double team to anyone They can bring a extra Blitzer down in the box causing DW to throw off schedule If DPJ , Schwartz, or Bell goes down then Cooper will face bracket coverge all day And that's something Cooper did not face alot last year . In fact I expect Cooper to be doubled sooner than later when the season begins I can see defenses alot playing alot of cover 2. Taking away DPJ and Schwartz supposed strengths, And forcing them to work underneath more
Schwartz has done absolutely nothing (besides running fast) to be considered a legit member of our receiving corp.
I totally agree with you Schwartz plays timid and is afraid to get smacked He had plenty of opportunities to step up and with after OBJ Got cut and Landry got hurt He failed to produce.. 2/5th of his yds came on 1 catch vs The Chiefs. He is more track star than WR. There is nothing special about him. Berry overdrafted him. You don't draft developmental players In RD 3..you draft guys ready to contribute year 1.
Me dumb. Sorry, but a little help. What does that "o/a success" mean or refer to in this context? I agree with you that I have very little confidence in Schwartz, and I haven't seen much development to dissuade that. Just brain lock as to what you were stating.
Basically Schwartz needs to show that he belongs, or he is just taking up a roster spot in a group that can ill afford a weak link, because we have but one astablished Veteran in the group, and we are already banking on a rookie to be an intrical wheel in the machinery.
I agree with you...but Schwartz is exactly what we drafted. He's got an elite trait (speed) and questions at route-running and catching the ball. It's not his fault that he was exactly what was drafted. We need better...and today there isn't anyone to push him off the roster.
And that's basically the conundrum we are left with, with Schwartz.
If I were him I would invest in a pair of thumb cuffs (to keep his hands even) and practice catching the football 100+ passes per day, and then do the same with his two little fingers to simulate over the shoulder catches.
It looks like Jones and Fuller are about the only guys left other than OBJ and the latter will probably be out for until late November or December. I really don't like either Fuller or Jones [at this point of his career.] I wonder if we could trade for a guy?
Look at Juwan Jennings 6'3 target . Played meaningful snaps with the Niners in 2021. In fact he scored more TDs than Schwartz and DPJ combined Last year He averaged a TD every 5 catches. Thats a darn good ratio
This group is middle of the road. Cooper is good but recently dinged up and honestly he was never elite, his best year was 1,100 yards and 8 TD's.
I don't have any faith whatsoever in Schwartz.
DPJ has the size and athleticism to take a nice jump. What's a nice jump for him 800 yards 5-7 TDs?
Definitely would be nice to have a veteran. Just in case these guys don't get better. An Adam Humphries or a Cole Beasley would be solid, needs some reliable if not spectacular guys in case Schwartz or DPJ don't step up.
To the original post. Someone will step up. ... Schwartz had a good opening game in 2021.
The recent Browns' have added their free agents before the draft, largely. Jarvis, OBJ, Deshaun, Amari, Clowney, Kareem, Takk, etc. all before their drafts. I think it's a set group until the season begins.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
Understandably Jarvis Landry is now on another team. The Browns, have been consistent in their approach to drafting receivers. Harrison Bryant, was a 3rd? maybe. DPJ was in the 6th round. Schwartz was a 3rd rounder, and Demetric Felton a 6th. David Bell was a 3rd rounder and Micheal Woods II a 6th. At least it's consistent, maybe somebody will step up.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
Understandably Jarvis Landry is now on another team. The Browns, have been consistent in their approach to drafting receivers. Harrison Bryant, was a 3rd? maybe. DPJ was in the 6th round. Schwartz was a 3rd rounder, and Demetric Felton a 6th. David Bell was a 3rd rounder and Micheal Woods II a 6th. At least it's consistent, maybe somebody will step up.
Historically since 1999, the Browns rarely draft WRs in the 1st RD. Since Berry has come on board he prefers to use the mid to late RDS to address that position. The thing is he is gambling on 2 players drafted in the same year To develop Felton and Schwartz. But neither exactly lit up the college stat sheet. And neither are natural WRs.
I am happy with the Trade for Cooper, and I believed DPJ who is going into his 3rd year is much better than a lot of posters on here are giving him credit for, the more playing time he gets I think he will make us all happy, Anthony Swartz was a Rookie, give the kid a break and see what happens in his 2nd year, and Bell IMO could be the steal of the draft in the 3rd round, I have no problem with bringing in another veteran WR, but lets give these young guys a chance to work with DW before throwing them out with the bath water ...
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You make good points, Pastor. And yes, the youngsters may work out. It's just that we have a really great roster and it's a bit concerning that we are relying on question marks. I haven't given up on the kids. I would just like one vet who has proven something in the league to be on the roster as our projected #2 WR. I really wish we had kept Landry.
You make good points, Pastor. And yes, the youngsters may work out. It's just that we have a really great roster and it's a bit concerning that we are relying on question marks. I haven't given up on the kids. I would just like one vet who has proven something in the league to be on the roster as our projected #2 WR. I really wish we had kept Landry.
I too wish we could have retained Landy, I mean look at what he signed for, IMO Landry just wanted to go home and play, and I do agree we should bring in a veteran WR.
John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
Yes, we need to sign a Veteran WR but my biggest concern right now is signing Clowney and a veteran DT ....
John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
I’ve watched Beasley a lot the past couple years. Shifty, smart, great hands. Spatial awareness is another good trait about him. I would not mind signing him.
IIRC, WR is a position that requires 'growing into' in the pro ranks. If Bell is what people say he is, then I'm looking forward to the player he can become but that might not help us a ton this year. And as another poster pointed out, if that room picks up just 1 serious injury then we're suddenly in a world of hurt.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I too wish we could have retained Landy, I mean look at what he signed for, IMO Landry just wanted to go home and play, and I do agree we should bring in a veteran WR.
Which is one possible theory. The other may be he simply isn't happy about the way things have gone down during the off season. I mean if we're just throwing out theories.
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Bell is a rookie, and a mid-rounder at that. Absolutely nobody should be having high expectations of him. High hopes, sure, but not expectations. He's a lock to make the roster unless he turns out to be a complete bonehead, but he has quite a bit to prove before anyone can think he's going to see extended play time. To his benefit, however, there isn't a whole lot in front of him or pushing him, so I guess any guess is as good as another.
Landry wasn't going to be a #2 here, which tells us that the FO feels fairly confident in DPJ owning that role. Without Landry, we have several options for Slot.... the FO has thrown a LOT against the wall there this offseason and something should stick. I think they're waiting for minicamps to see guys on the field before they decide whether or not to make any more moves in that room. Behind DPJ, though, we don't have much; if he or Cooper miss games, we're hurting. We have, what... JaMarcus Bradly and Schwartz behind those guys? That's a prime example of "Hope is not a plan."
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Browns receiver depth june otas. Or, The 14th offensive player on the roster at cutdowns? Or, What to do with Demetric Felton, or others.
So this is assuming the Browns special teams Kick returner position gets solidified by Jakeem Grant and Grant would fall in line as Wr #6, and ask the question what to do with Demetric Felton? Breakdown: Kicker- kicker. Returner- returner. Wr 1. -Wr 1 Wr 2. Wr 2. Wr 3. Wr 3. As Cooper, DPJ and Bell in some order. The focus begins on only probably keeping 5 Wrs on opening day not named Grant/Kr/WR6. The Focus on spots #4, and #5 at Wr.
Then: Demetric Felton is a Rb, or Wr. so. At this point, hearing little negatives on Rb Ford, it can be assumed, well let's just go off the assumption Ford is penciled in to be a top 4 Rb.
The Browns usually keep 4 Rb's not 5. So I think we can put the Rb's breakdown at Rb1. Rb1 Rb2. Rb2 Rb 3. Ford Rb4. (D'Ernest Johnson or Demetric Felton.) ... Though I haven't spelled it out correctly, I figure it's a 4 man race for the final 2 spots on the roster at RB/WR.
A 4 man race between D'Ernest Johnson, Jamarcus Bradley, Demetric Felton, and Michael Woods II.
Factors. X. Who is the best pass protector/ offensive blocker/ of the 4. X. Who is the most needed on special teams X. Which would most likely be able to be stashed on the Practice Squad> X. And this one is important, Which one would most likely, be the least desireable to see go somewhere else and have them play well on a different team?
Then,again, What to do with Demetric Felton? How can this 4 man race become a 2 man race?
D'Ernest Johnson, Demetric Felton, Michael Woods II and Jamrcus Bradley, keep only 2. They don't all do the same things.
Demetric Felton and D'Ernest Johnson do 2 opposite sides of a coin, Johnson is a run into the OL runner, and Felton is Not that as his most effective skill, (with Demetric Felton, his worst strength would be running up the middle. And if D'Ernest Johnson his worst strength would be catching as a wr out of the backfield, )
Michael Woods II is a wideout, not a Rb, and so is Jamarcus Bradley, now, we have a known set of time put in in the NFL for Jamarcus Bradley, and imo he hasn't shown very good plays so far. Jamarcus Bradley, it is known, was on the PS/? at times during past seasons and no teams poached him away. However, Michael Woods II, being such a late round draft pick has no guarantee to even sniff a roster spot.
4 players for 2 spots? If we are still assuming that the team likes Jerome Ford, what role do they like him for? He gives you a lot of what D'Ernest Johnson did, Ford is a straight up Rb, and so is Johnson, while Demetric Felton is a, an outside runner, or a wr that lines up at rb, or a straigt up WR.
So if you have Ford, as #3 Rb, then even in cases where D'Ernest Johnson started and won 2 games as a primary Rb in 2021 for the Browns where both Kareem Hunt and Nick Chubb were out, .. if you have Ford, then, the need for D'Ernest Johnsons' skill set opposed to Demetric Feltons skill set is lessoned. i.e. the team is not likely to go to a game hard up for Felton to be an every down back that runs up the middle, his worst strength because Ford is now added to the equation.
So, What to do with Demetric Felton, ( who I feel is a big contributor waiting for touches)
Next, We could say that Jamarcus Bradey, and Michael Woods II, are fighting for only one spot, and that Jamarcus Bradley is stashable on the PS, and unless Bradley proves a better player than Woods, that Woods likely takes Bradleys' spot? or Woods doesn't make the team, and may be sent to the PS.?
So then we could say it's a 3 man race for 2 spots... Unless, Demetric Felton Supersedes both Michael Woods II and Jamarcus Bradley? So that ^ is a 3 man race for Wr #4. (excuse me #5 as Schwartz is #4?)
So, to answer for myself, what to do with Demetric Felton? worst case, if the team attempts to put him on the PS, he won't last there he will end up on a different team. Full stop.
2. Felton has a chance to make the roster as WR #5 behind Schwartz, DPJ, Bell, and Amari Cooper, if Felton gets ahead of/ stays ahead of Jamarus Bradley and Michael Woods II.
Felton has a Chance to make the roster as Rb. #4. if the addition of Ford makes D'Ernest Johnsons' skill set tradable or stashable, I mean John Kelly wasn't poached last year. or if Ford, as a rookie, doesn't do well enough to make the roster.
So, Assuming they cut Bradley, (Assuming if everyone is healthy, and he is only part time on the roster again) It becomes a 3 man race for 2 roster spots between Michael Woods II, Wr. Demetric Felton, Wr/ Rb and D'Ernest Johnson. Rb.
( Michael Woods II could take Anthony Schwartz' spot if Anthony Schwartz doesn't do well enough, and that would allow them to have a 2 man race for 2 roster spots and everyone would get to stay. )
All of this is still on the assumption that Jakeem Grant is far and away a boone at Kick Returner, because that's his reason, so, if Jakeem Grant fails miserably then he would be the player waived and this would be unnecessary.
If you begin to breakdown, Woods II, and Schwartz, and Grant, and Jamarcus Bradley, and DPJ, you begin to see, umm, Uh Oh, You are ending up with 5 guys who don't do anything the other ones don't, and who don't do any more than what 2 of any of them (if better versions) couldn't do. 5 guys who might make a play once a month and work best against 3rd tier secondary coverage, and none of them can be relied on against top coverage. At least Felton can line up and make catches out of the backfield, that is a different skill set, (well anyone can do but he has experience with).
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