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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
But maybe if you expect to be taken seriously you might wish to point your finger in both directions.

You should take your own advice. You are complaining about Republicans voting against Ukraine bill. The squad voted against the first Ukraine bill back in March, never heard a peep out of you.


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With echoes of Trump, GOP splinters over $40B for Ukraine

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Tue, May 17, 2022, 12:08 AM
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Signs of Republican resistance are mounting over a $40 billion aid package to Ukraine, a reemergence of the Trump-led isolationist wing of the GOP that's coming at a crucial moment as the war against the Russian invasion deepens.

The Senate voted late Monday to advance the Ukraine aid bill 81-11, pushing it toward President Joe Biden's desk by week's end to become law. But more vocal objections from Republicans in Congress are sending warning signs after what has been rare and united support for Ukraine as it desperately battles hostile Russia. All 11 no votes came from Republican senators.

It comes as Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell led a delegation of GOP senators to visit the region over the weekend in a show of support, vowing to push past detractors, finish up the aid package and vote this summer on expanding NATO to welcome Sweden and Finland. The leader finds himself holding down the GOP's more traditional foreign policy approach, in direct confrontation with the GOP's "America First" flank, including Donald Trump, the former president.

“There’s always been isolationist voices in the Republican Party,” McConnell told reporters on a conference call over the weekend from Stockholm. “It won’t create a problem, we’ll get the job done."

The shift in Congress opens a new political phase in Ukraine’s fight for its survival against the Russian invasion, offering a wake-up call for the Biden administration about its strategy as it resists direct U.S. military troop involvement and depends on votes in the House and Senate to fund the military and humanitarian relief effort.

While a strong bipartisan majority is poised to approve the latest round of Ukraine aid, bringing the U.S. total to $53 billion since the start of Russia’s invasion, it’s clear that Republicans, and some Democrats, are wary of a prolonged intervention and demanding a more fulsome accounting of the U.S. role overseas. While the House overwhelmingly approved the $40 billion package last week, 57 Republicans voted against it.

The most vocal lawmakers are insisting Congress will not become a blank check for overseas action amid domestic needs as they move away from the U.S.'s longstanding role of championing democracy abroad.

“We have got to take care of things here at home first,” said Republican Sen. Bill Hagerty of Tennessee, the former Trump administration’s ambassador to Japan, on Fox's “Sunday Morning Futures.”

Republican Sen. Josh Hawley of Missouri tweeted of his no vote: “That’s not isolationism. That’s nationalism.”

It’s stronger pushback than just a few months ago, at the start of war in February, when Congress made a rare show of bipartisan unity against Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion and rushed to Ukraine’s aid.

And it comes as the midterm election season is underway in the U.S., with Trump’s influence looming large, particularly with Republican lawmakers desperate for his campaign endorsements and support and afraid to go against him.

“We have a moral obligation to pass this aid as soon as we can,” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said Monday ahead of the procedural vote.

Trump weighed in, breaking the civic norm in the U.S. that former presidents traditionally step aside to allow one president at a time to lead, particularly on foreign policy.

The former president, whose “America First” strategy sought to pull back from U.S. commitments around the world and criticized the NATO military alliance confronting Russia, complained that Democrats are “sending another $40 billion to Ukraine, yet America’s parents are struggling to even feed their children.”

Trump had been impeached by the House in 2019 after he withheld military aid to Ukraine and pressured President Volodymyr Zelenskyy for a favor digging up dirt on Biden ahead of the U.S. presidential election, though he was later acquitted by the Senate.

On the campaign trail in Ohio, the U.S. Senate candidates, Democrat Tim Ryan and Trump-backed Republican JD Vance, have been brawling over the Ukraine assistance.

Vance, who quipped some months ago that he doesn't really care what happens in Ukraine, tweeted last week that Ryan “is pushing billions in foreign aid while the communities he serves in Congress have been decimated.”

Ryan's team released an ad suggesting Vance as a venture capitalist had profited off a social media platform that is used to spread Russian propaganda.

The Senate was set to begin voting Monday evening on the $40 billion package, pushing past a Republican filibuster to advance the bill toward approval by Thursday.

The first round of Ukraine aid, $13.9 billion, was swiftly approved by Congress in March as part of a broader bill to fund the government. It came just before Zelenskyy delivered an address at a joint meeting of Congress to several standing ovations.

“Tonight, we are all Ukrainians,” said Democratic Rep. Richard Neal of Massachusetts during the floor debate on the bill's passage.

But as months drag on, the lawmakers, particularly Republicans, are more assertive in their resistance, posing questions for the U.S. strategy ahead.

Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky single-handedly blocked a vote on the latest package last week as he demanded an inspector general's report on how the money is being spent.

The libertarian-leaning Paul routinely blocks spending bills with a filibuster, but he is also a non-interventionist when it comes to foreign policy who had great sway during the Trump era, encouraging the then-president's instincts against engaging in overseas actions.

“While I sympathize with the people of Ukraine, and commend their fight against Putin, we cannot continue to spend money we don’t have,” Paul said in a series of tweets about his blockade.

“It’s frankly a slap in the face to millions of taxpayers who are struggling to buy gas, groceries, and find baby formula.”

Outside groups influential with Republicans, including Heritage Action, have raised questions about the Ukraine spending. Fox News host Tucker Carlson said on his show last week he was calling every senators' office to see where they stood on the issue, putting pressure on the lawmakers.

McConnell a longtime advocate of the U.S. commitment to the NATO western military alliance and its broader role overseas, was the highest-ranking Republican to meet with Zelenskyy over the weekend in Kyiv.

McConnell said the Ukrainian president and people have been an inspiration as they fight the Russian invasion, and vowed the U.S.'s continued support and swift approval of Sweden and Finland's requests to join NATO before August.




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How the Trump Era Is Dividing Republicans Over Ukraine Aid

Republican lawmakers are openly fighting about giving aid to Ukraine as Tucker Carlson shames Republicans who support sending funds to fight against Russia.

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When Russia invaded Ukraine, it became immediately clear that the Republican Party was going to have to have a reckoning; after four years of Donald Trump, the party’s America First, isolationist faction feels emboldened, and in direct opposition to the establishment conservative ethos calling for robust military intervention against Vladimir Putin’s incursion. As the war escalates, and Congress pushes through more and more funding to aid the Ukrainian defensive—with broad bipartisan support—this divide within the Republican Party keeps boiling over.

Look no further than a Twitter spat this week between two of the GOP’s most outspoken up-and-comers, Representatives Dan Crenshaw and Marjorie Taylor Greene. The clash began when Crenshaw defended his vote in favor of the funding via tweet. “Investing in the destruction of our adversary’s military, without losing a single American troop, strikes me as a good idea,” the Texas Republican tweeted.

While the majority of GOP House members still support the Biden administration’s position to send money to Ukraine without involving actual American troops––which includes sending state-of-the-art missile and drone systems––57 House Republicans voted against this week’s aid package. Among those opposed to the measure was Greene, who criticized Crenshaw’s tweet. “So you think we are funding a proxy war with Russia?” the Georgia lawmaker wrote. “You speak as if Ukrainian lives should be thrown away, as if they have no value. Just used and thrown away. For your proxy war? How does that help Americans? How does any of this help?”

“Still going after that slot on Russia Today huh?” Crenshaw fired back at Greene. Greene continued to prod Crenshaw, asserting that U.S. sanctions against Russia are only “driving [up] inflation and fuel prices,” adding, “I refuse to vote for useless measures that cause problems but solve none. While you send $40 billion for your proxy war against Russia, I’m focused on baby formula for American babies.” She then seemingly described Crenshaw as just another “America last” politician. (It should be noted, these two politicians have a history of vitriol; in January, Crenshaw suggested Greene might be an “idiot” for opposing a COVID-19 relief bill that would mobilize the Federal Emergency Management Agency to set up testing sites.)

Greene’s viewpoint is espoused regularly by big right-wing pundits like Tucker Carlson, a leading voice among Republicans who think the United States shouldn’t get involved in the war in Ukraine—a coalition in the party that Ben Jacobs aptly called the “‘Putin Is Bad, But’ Republicans” in The Atlantic: "The broad consensus: Putin is bad, but why is that our problem?" Jacobs writes.

On Wednesday night, Carlson spent his show’s opening monologue shaming Republicans who backed aid to Ukraine and claiming that they believe “protecting Ukraine is way more important than protecting you, than protecting America.” He also aired a recent clip showing Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell calling the war in Ukraine “the most important thing going on in the world” while standing with Republican senators John Thune, John Barrasso, and Joni Ernst. Carlson reacted to the video by urging a “sincere billionaire…[to] fund a primary challenge against every single of those Republican senators standing by Mitch McConnell.”

This Tucker Carlson wing of the party––or those who simply “don’t care,” as the Fox News host has put it in the past––might still be in the minority but their viewpoint is gaining ground. In late April, only 10 House GOP members voted against a measure to provide military equipment to Ukraine.

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Beginning of the end of his life, maybe. That's next-level YOLO right there.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
But maybe if you expect to be taken seriously you might wish to point your finger in both directions.

You should take your own advice. You are complaining about Republicans voting against Ukraine bill. The squad voted against the first Ukraine bill back in March, never heard a peep out of you.

If youn haven't seen me speak out against the fringe elements of both parties you haven't been paying attention.


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Globalist George W. Bush Just Dropped the Mother of All Gaffes
By J.D. Rucker • May. 18, 2022

The guilty conscience of an old man who spent most of his life either drunk or engaged in the globalist New World Order agenda (or both) slipped out in spectacularly awkward fashion for George W. Bush today. While attempting to condemn Vladimir Putin, he accidentally took his speech in a different direction.

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“The decision of one man to launch a wholly unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq… I mean Ukraine,” he said.

Oops.

Thousands of American lives, trillions of taxpayer dollars, and nearly two decades of wasted time can be attributed to Bush’s invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Between him and his Vice President and Deep State handler, Dick Cheney, they set the United States in motion towards the disastrous withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan last year, men and women who never should have been there in the first place.

For him to attempt to condemn Vladimir Putin is hypocritical. For him to fail miserably in his attempt was pure George W. Bush.

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For as much as I do not like GWB, he corrected himself immediately afterwards.

Unlike DJT who would double down and never admit to anything, ever.


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Didn't you know that GWB, his dad and even Reagan are and would be considered RINO's now? They're no longer "one of them" when it comes to the fringe like Super is..


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Is any human one of them?


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So when will Biden secure our Southern Border again?

Where is the Bill to do that?

Nada. Pfft.

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Only members of congress can introduce bills.


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Good things there are already laws in place then. All the need is enforcing.

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None of this has anything to do with Ukraine so I really dislike going along with your unrelated tangent. But at the present time we are facing a problem on two levels. What may shock you is I agree we need comprehensive immigration reform. We can't just allow millions and millions of people to cross our borders with setting a number to it and controlling the flow.

But the current law we're using to do that is crazy. I mean let's look at it for a minute. The current law on the books was an emergency measure put in place because of Covid. Now we can argue about whether Covid is a legitimate reason to continue with a law written strictly on that basis alone or not. But let's look at the Republican standpoint on Covid for a minute. They fight against health mandates due to Covid because we don't need them. They fight against any further spending on Covid because we don't need it. To them Covid no longer seems like much of an issue in regards to every other part of the discussion. That is until it comes to immigrants. Then suddenly a law put in place strictly because of Covid is still needed.

So I'm certainly for controlling immigration and having a strong immigration policy. That takes a rewrite of our entire immigration policies. What I'm not for is continuing to use some excuse to circumvent fixing our immigration policy by flying a false flag to do so.


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Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
So when will Biden secure our Southern Border again?

Where is the Bill to do that?

Nada. Pfft.

This thread is about the war in Ukraine.

Staton topic.


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I responded to something you said but you say it is my unrelated tangent? Deflect, distract spin. Oddly I am not surprised.

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When reading your posts, nobody is.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
When reading your posts, nobody is.

The venerable "I know you are but what am I?" debate technique. At least you are a master of it.

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Still no content on Ukraine. Hasn't anyone explained to you how to start a new thread?


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Still no content on Ukraine. Hasn't anyone explained to you how to start a new thread?

Dude, go check a mirror. You think you run this place, but you aren't the owner or mods. Maybe if thread drift is against the rules they would step in. Not doing it? I suppose it is fine then. Stop trying to control everyone's conversation.

Man, that feels like deja vu.

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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Still no content on Ukraine. Hasn't anyone explained to you how to start a new thread?


The side that derails every thread with "Trump trump Trump" is complaining about staying on topic. You can't make this stuff up.


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Originally Posted by Squires
[quote=PitDAWG] You can't make this stuff up.

Of course you can. You just made that up.


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In case you missed it I'm not the poster who has been going around posting "To the powers that be" whining to the moderators. I've never seen you call out the actual poster who does that yet blaming me for it.

rofl

You can post anything you like anywhere you like. Don't blame me for pointing out the obvious.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
In case you missed it I'm not the poster who has been going around posting "To the powers that be" whining to the moderators. I've never seen you call out the actual poster who does that yet blaming me for it.

rofl

You can post anything you like anywhere you like. Don't blame me for pointing out the obvious.


More spin, more deflection.

You try to control the conversation here. You use snide comment, insults, your little laughing guy... You tell people the owners haven't stopped off topic comments so they must be ok.

Bark less, wag more.

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Zelenskyy's global food crisis prediction may be 10 weeks away, UN official says: 'Seismic'
Ukraine and Russia account for 30% of the world's wheat supply

A food supply expert warns that the world faces a global crisis in just 10 weeks, echoing a warning from Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

"Russia has blocked almost all ports and all, so to speak, maritime opportunities to export food – our grain, barley, sunflower and more. A lot of things," Zelenskyy said Saturday. "There will be a crisis in the world. The second crisis after the energy one, which was provoked by Russia."

"Now it will create a food crisis if we do not unblock the routes for Ukraine, do not help the countries of Africa, Europe, Asia, which need these food products," he added.

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Russian Diplomat Quits in Rare Public Protest Over War in Ukraine

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Why is it that nobody told me how gangster the Ukrainians can be?


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aye bro lets head over there and good some cool decorations for the front yard!


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My company just shuttered all business in Russia over this. Russian employees have been offered a severance package and we have closed our business there. Since the invasion, employees were on paid administrative leave and operations had ceased, but now we are actually pulling the plug. This isn't a small thing; we're a global industrial technology company that worked with Russian aerospace, advanced building modeling, and structural engineering as well as being an 800lb gorilla in the agricultural automation and freight/transportation worlds.


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Russia doesn't have enough good relationships around the world to recover from hits like that. and it just keeps coming.


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European Union Slashes Russian Oil Imports In Major Blow To Vladimir Putin

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lost all kinds of money
lost all kinds of reputation
lost all kinds of economic activity

and still haven't successfully invaded Ukraine.

Hope it was worth it, Vlad. Have fun with the homeboys such as... belarus and serbia. sounds pleasant.


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Meet the Guardsman Helping Ukrainians Blow Up Russian Tanks over the Phone
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Sgt. 1st Class Chris Freymann never thought he'd have such a direct role in the fight against Russian forces invading Ukraine. But as the war raged, he became a kind of ad hoc, over-the-phone tech support for Ukrainians trying to use Javelin missiles while under fire.

They messaged with questions; Freymann sent answers. In return, he got photos and videos of the Russian tanks they destroyed.

Before the war, Freymann, a cavalry scout in the Washington state National Guard, had been the lead instructor in the U.S. military's program that trained soldiers in Ukraine how to use the shoulder-fired tank-killing missiles. He trained about 200 Ukrainian troops during his months with the program.

Russia launched its invasion in February, after U.S. trainers left. But the relationships Freymann made remained. His former students -- now troops fighting on the front lines -- again reached out for help on operating the Javelins as they encountered technical issues or forgot details.

"When the war started, I had a lot of guys hitting me up on WhatsApp," Freymann told Military.com. "One of our linguists, her husband was one of the few soldiers who were left. A lot of the students trained by the other [Guard units] died."

Freymann would relay information on operating the Javelin to the linguist. Her husband, who was in the fight, would then send Freymann photos and videos of destroyed Russian tanks. Freymann says at least four tanks were destroyed after some of his over-the-phone coaching.

Capt. John Bartkowski, a Washington state infantry officer, was in command of the Javelin course Freymann instructed along with a handful of other soldiers.

The pair adopted much of their doctrine from Fort Benning, Georgia's Heavy Weapons Leaders Course. Typically, Javelin training for U.S. soldiers might take about a week, but it took two to three weeks to train the Ukrainians. For one thing, training manuals and PowerPoint presentations had to be translated.

"The language barrier did present challenges," said Bartkowski, who commanded the training between April and December 2021.

Bartkowski said it has been a "surreal" experience training the Ukrainians and watching them fight against the Russian invasion, which was ordered by Russian President Vladimir Putin despite international condemnation and a raft of sanctions from the U.S. and other nations.

"We never thought six months later they'd be at war with a near-peer enemy. We didn't think it would be so soon," he said. "Seeing the impact we had make a difference in the war is astounding."

Freymann's previous students worked through the linguist, who had assisted the National Guard during the earlier deployment, to get past the language barrier. Though some Ukrainians reached out to him directly, Freymann said he often had to use Google Translate to make sense of their questions.

A key problem Ukrainians were having centered on the massive battery used to power the Javelin and its optics, the Command Launch Unit, or CLU. That optics system is used for the missile but is also employed to observe enemy movements from a far distance.

"They were running out of the brick batteries and were using motorcycle and car batteries to power the CLUs," he said.

The technical support and over-the-phone retraining is all on Freymann's own time. Toward the end of his deployment in Ukraine, he had a stroke and is still recovering at Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington state.

Meanwhile, the Javelin has become the signature weapon of the war in Ukraine, playing a massive role in the underdog military halting the movement of Russian armor and killing scores of soldiers -- forcing Putin to move his forces east and abandon plans to take the capital, Kyiv.

The National Guard has been training Ukrainians since 2015, with units from numerous states rotating through on generally nine-month missions. The Florida National Guard was pulled from Ukraine just before Russia invaded but has continued training fighters in Germany.

"I'm sitting here still getting messages of 'thanks' from these guys and that's the payoff," Freymann said.


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Looks like this war has settled into a stalemate with the advantage to Russia.

Russia is picking off Ukrainian infrastructure with missiles, attacking them economically which they feel will hurt more than killing soldiers.

Rail stations, power companies and fuel are priorities.

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