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Don't understand the you....the ONLY person to hose Cleveland was Baker....he demanded a trade BEFORE we got Watson....he didn't want the competition....JMHO, this was HIS team in his mind. NFL stands for NOT FOR LONG...there is competition for every spot on roster unless you're Rogers, Brady, etc.....due to HIS play, Baker never got there.....BOO HOO, he's only making how many millions this season.....thanks for your effort, Baker....but don't let the door hit you butt as you go.


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I'm surprised all these Baker Fans haven't built a statue of Baker outside First Energy Staduim.
You would think with all that praise and Fandom heaped on the Baker he got the Browns
To a actual AFC Championship game at one point

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Originally Posted by Baker_Dawg
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peen, Baker Dawg was never a Browns fan. He only came here because we drafted Baker. He is just bitter.

Sure and you stopped being a browns fan and ran off when baker was qb, just your typical hypocrisy. I can start and stop being a fan whenever I like.

Oh and I’m not bitter about baker being traded, thank God he is free of this curse. I am bitter he had to pass through the hell hole that is the browns though.

Ready for week one.

Just for clarification, are you a Browns fan first?

Yes or no answer.


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Originally Posted by PortlandDawg
I wasn’t a fan of drafting him. That said his play won me over enough to let it ride for another season. He had a couple of stretches of play that we haven’t seen on this team, short of DA’s big season, in decades. Big, explosive plays. High scoring affairs. Etc. I did have doubts about his ability to win when it mattered. But again was willing to give him another season to play it out.
That said, here we are.

I can’t say that I ever really watched a Carolina game with any interest. This season I can see flipping to the Carolina games during commercials to check in on him. I wish him well.

Onward.
Go Browns!!

Similar... I wanted Allen but was open minded when we drafted him..... was thankful for the playoff year... liked his foxy but hated his inconsistency... wish him a quick recovery and hope he does well... frankly if he never plays again he's a multi-millionaire... so he's doing alright...


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I didn't say this! Don't you put that evil on me! tongue

Sorry, that really was a low blow. The Thelma and Louise pic was meant to quote Bakerboy or whatever his name is.


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Thank god that distraction is over with!

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Just read that Baker and Darnold rank 1+2 for most INT's since 2018. Carolina has 2 TO machines at the QB spot. Good luck!!

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Next up! My interest is at its normal seasonal low point, so I have nothing to add to the discussion....


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Originally Posted by Homewood Dog
Just read that Baker and Darnold rank 1+2 for most INT's since 2018. Carolina has 2 TO machines at the QB spot. Good luck!!

Guess what Deshaun is number one in? Hope you are happy in your filth.

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I'm slowing becoming convinced that the only way we can keep our river from burning is through human sacrifice of quarterbacks.


Has anyone called Progressive to make sure they have the moving vans on the way?


Browns is the Browns

... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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My post had nothing to do with DW. It was an observation on how many INT's have been thrown by 2 QB's on Carolinas roster. Their 2 top Qb's..

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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie

I might talk my son into making a road trip north to place a bet for me. This is the type of situation that brings out his best.



Damn, jfan. You weren't messing around.


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Jimmy Haslam won't hang on to Watson for 3 full years.
What will likely happen is.
( see Browns recent history.)


Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Originally Posted by Homewood Dog
My post had nothing to do with DW. It was an observation on how many INT's have been thrown by 2 QB's on Carolinas roster. Their 2 top Qb's..

Bodes great for Week 1 - Browns must be a stone cold lock.


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On paper it should be right? But wait!! Don't we always lose our 1st game of the year?

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perspective...

We just paid a team $10.4 million to get rid of a 1st rd pick QB (who up until last year was a mid-level QB1 and the best we have seen in 20+ years)
- He could also easily bounce back to be in the top 50% after recovering from his injuries.

Meanwhile...
We gave up our 2022 first-round pick (No. 13 overall)
We gave up our 2023 first-round pick (likely to be high if Watson is suspended)
We gave up our 2024 first-round pick
We gave up our 2022 fourth-round choice (No. 107)
We gave up our third-round pick in 2023
We gave up our fourth-round pick in 2024

We are also paying a 5 year $230 million guaranteed contract for a QB that hasn't played since 2020 and might not be able to play until 2023 or longer
- This would mean he could go about 3 years without playing a single NFL game at one of the most challenging positions in all of the professional sports.

*We did manage to also get a 4th or 5th round pick for our former NFL average QB1.


On paper, this looks worse than the Herschel Walker trade.


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So...anything happen while I was out?


I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...

What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
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So the Browns will pay $56M+ for quarterbacks right now ($46 for DW + $10 for Baker) that will NOT play for them this season?? I know that DW's salary is mostly a signing bonus this year but still, seems crazy to me. I hope our D can stop him in game 1, otherwise we will be the laughingstock of the league for the rest of the season.

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Browns Twitter is crazy today. I didn't know there were so many lifelong Browns fans that would follow a QB to Carolina. I remember rooting for Kosar when he was cut and ended up in Dallas, then Miami. However, I never stopped following the Browns.


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Originally Posted by Baker_Dawg
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Just read that Baker and Darnold rank 1+2 for most INT's since 2018. Carolina has 2 TO machines at the QB spot. Good luck!!

Guess what Deshaun is number one in? Hope you are happy in your filth.

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I wish nothing but the best for Baker.

His is a competitor and probably played when he should have not.

I will be quietly rooting for Carolina.

I fully expect in true Browns fashion, that Watson will be suspended for the year, and Carolina will win the Super Bowl.

The owners cannot stick to a plan.


There will be no playoffs. Can’t play with who we have out there and compounding it with garbage playcalling and worse execution. We don’t have good skill players on offense period. Browns 20 - Bears 17.

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Originally Posted by boofers20
So the Browns will pay $56M+ for quarterbacks right now ($46 for DW + $10 for Baker) that will NOT play for them this season?? I know that DW's salary is mostly a signing bonus this year but still, seems crazy to me. I hope our D can stop him in game 1, otherwise we will be the laughingstock of the league for the rest of the season.

And 49 million under the cap.


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Originally Posted by THROW LONG
Jimmy Haslam won't hang on to Watson for 3 full years.
What will likely happen is.
( see Browns recent history.)
I just realized, that Quinn Ewers is going to start for texas as a freshman.

Suck for Ewers is only one letter off from Suck for Evers. OIC OIC. only in Cleveland. Poetic Injustice.


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j/c

I really hate the way this story ended.

Before I heard all the backstory, I wanted to see #6 play out his contract and renegotiate/vacate. A normal, rational progression. As more details trickled out, a familiar feeling started to settle in. It's that nagging sense that the water supply needs to be tested. Or maybe 76 Groza was built on some ancient pre-American burial site. Because for me, this looks suspiciously similar to all the other predictable ACME anvils that have dropped on every Browns FO since The Return. No regime has ever lasted more than three years.

I'm gonna zoom out a bit to talk about something I haven't mentioned. The way our FO has looked during this entire saga. I was just starting to get used to the idea that CLE fans could have a FO that didn't look like the clown car cavalcade we've been tortured by for 20+ years. And yes- they have been a damn sight better than any brain trust we've previously has. Strong bonds/unanimity of mission, good personnel, strong coaching, better roster- yup, a LOT better. But daaaaamn, Cleveland. This one was really noteworthy... and it comes too soon after The Epoch of Dysfunction.

You did this right at the last minute before I could allow myself to start breathing again. Damn you.

Given your track record for staff/coaching hires, trades/drafts/roster building, etc... I'm swallowing hard, and giving you this one.
But dudes- it's a big one.

You handled this in a way that everyone else in the league and SportsNets expect/want to see CLE handle things: they love the cheap, lazy jokes. Cleveland faceplants are porn for them. I'm hoping that this is a one & done for this admin (because of the novelty of acquiring a top-5 QB via offseason trade)... because y'all burned a lot of my fan capital with this one.

I was just starting to trust you guys.
And then, you turn around an do uglyazz, awkward Cleveburg-lookin' s# like this. Yet again.


PLEASE LET THIS BE THE LAST OFFSEASON EXISTENTIAL DRAMA I NEED TO ENDURE FOR AT LEAST 2-5 MORE YEARS. PLEASE ALLOW ME TO START TRUSTING YOU AGAIN.


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Originally Posted by Clemdawg
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I really hate the way this story ended.

Before I heard all the backstory, I wanted to see #6 play out his contract and renegotiate/vacate. A normal, rational progression. As more details trickled out, a familiar feeling started to settle in. It's that nagging sense that the water supply needs to be tested. Or maybe 76 Groza was built on some ancient pre-American burial site. Because for me, this looks suspiciously similar to all the other predictable ACME anvils that have dropped on every Browns FO since The Return. No regime has ever lasted more than three years.

I'm gonna zoom out a bit to talk about something I haven't mentioned. The way our FO has looked during this entire saga. I was just starting to get used to the idea that CLE fans could have a FO that didn't look like the clown car cavalcade we've been tortured by for 20+ years. And yes- they have been a damn sight better than any brain trust we've previously has. Strong bonds/unanimity of mission, good personnel, strong coaching, better roster- yup, a LOT better. But daaaaamn, Cleveland. This one was really noteworthy... and it comes too soon after The Epoch of Dysfunction.

You did this right at the last minute before I could allow myself to start breathing again. Damn you.

Given your track record for staff/coaching hires, trades/drafts/roster building, etc... I'm swallowing hard, and giving you this one.
But dudes- it's a big one.

You handled this in a way that everyone else in the league and SportsNets expect/want to see CLE handle things: they love the cheap, lazy jokes. Cleveland faceplants are porn for them. I'm hoping that this is a one & done for this admin (because of the novelty of acquiring a top-5 QB via offseason trade)... because y'all burned a lot of my fan capital with this one.

I was just starting to trust you guys.
And then, you turn around an do uglyazz, awkward Cleveburg-lookin' s# like this. Yet again.


PLEASE LET THIS BE THE LAST OFFSEASON EXISTENTIAL DRAMA I NEED TO ENDURE FOR AT LEAST 2-5 MORE YEARS. PLEASE ALLOW ME TO START TRUSTING YOU AGAIN.


Sincerely,
A Browns Fan With Battered-Dawg Syndrome... and 2 new nervous ticks

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Originally Posted by Pdawg
Browns Twitter is crazy today. I didn't know there were so many lifelong Browns fans that would follow a QB to Carolina. I remember rooting for Kosar when he was cut and ended up in Dallas, then Miami. However, I never stopped following the Browns.


Seriously... when Kosar was cut I hoped he did well but I really didn't care... I'm a browns fan...

same for Baker.. hope he does well but at this point I really don't care... he's not a Brown any more.. . I'm a Browns fan... I won't watch any more Carolina games than I would have before he was part of their team


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So the guy who calls browns fans dumbasses and baker butt kissers is suddenly concerned about insulting browns fans?? Seriously???

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Originally Posted by Pdawg
Browns Twitter is crazy today. I didn't know there were so many lifelong Browns fans that would follow a QB to Carolina. I remember rooting for Kosar when he was cut and ended up in Dallas, then Miami. However, I never stopped following the Browns.

At least Bernie got a Super Bowl Ring out of it


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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
peen, Baker Dawg was never a Browns fan. He only came here because we drafted Baker. He is just bitter.

I know. It's why I made the comment about feeling punked and dismayed.

I mean, I get it. People have all sorts of reasons for rooting for a team. I have never felt a person has to be born in to being a fan. If it was a player who brought you in to the fold and they leave, leave with him if that is the desire.

I learned a long time ago that players come and go for a lot of reasons. I liked Baker. I hope he does well, but as a Browns fan, no way in hell would I ever want Carolina to beat us. I root for the Browns.


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I am sure he did. After a while, he had to be getting anxious that nothing was happening. It wasn't like there were a dozen teams lined up for his services.

I am sure there would have been a lot more had Baker been released, but Baker knew that getting in to a camp was very important to his career trajectory. He wants to start out of the gate. Once a QB is put in a reserve role, it is hard to get out of that position. That is why Baker agreed to a $3.5 mil cut in pay to get this done.

I hope it works out for him. New starts are just that. It gives him a chance to clean up anything that he may have caused in the way things soured in Cleveland. It wasn't just the team. Baker had some involvement in that as well.


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Baker lacked the qualities of the recent SB QBs. Name a recent Super Bowl
QB , and Baker really had nothing talent and skill wise that was superior
To them.
That's a reason why was traded .

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so is baker gonna beat Darnold in camp to start week 1 coming off of shoulder surgery?
Yes. No matter your opinion of BM - Darnold is worse imo.

is he? to be fair to Darnold, he has not played with a talented combination of o-line and weapons that Baker has.

That ain't the browns o-line he's being protected by.

and on the flip side, what would Darnold have looked like with stefanski for 2 years with the same talent that baker had? does he still suck? the same? ....better than? hm...

That's one of the rare things we are about to see. 2 first round top 10 QB from the same draft class, playing with essentially the same roster, and getting to compare the closest thing to apples to apples as you get in the NFL.


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31. CAROLINA PANTHERS (No Change)

LT Cam Erving | 56.0
LG Michael Jordan | 50.8
C Matt Paradis | 66.9
RG John Miller | 52.1
RT Taylor Moton | 77.8

Carolina’s offensive line was always going to become an issue given the players they prioritized to acquire in the offseason. Taylor Moton earned a 77.8 PFF grade and was one of the better right tackles in the NFL, but he was the only one of 11 linemen to end with a grade above 67.0. John Miller and Michael Jordan, who played just 21 games combined, allowed 13 sacks from their guard spots, and three different linemen earned PFF pass-blocking grades lower than 40.0. This offensive line performance was a true case of reaping what you sow.

I expect that like the torn up shoulder, this will be summarily dismissed by mid-season. Cam Erving at LT? Wow. Anyway...
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Browns juju suggests that Baker plays well in 2022...for 2023 he signs as a FA with a team other than Carolina...Carolina gets a 2024 3rd Rd Compensatory pick and gives us their 2024 4th Rd pick. Perfect.

The Browns will pay over $15MM for the combo of Brissett/Mayfield to man/not-man the QB spot for 2023 not to mention whatever they are flushing for DW. Cap space or not...that is poor management of the cap.

I don't think this QB situation could have been handled any worse if that was the goal from the start.

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I just thought of something and it's bugging me. They'll be no more Progressive commercials!! Oh My!!! Well, maybe when DW starts playing they can use him. That should be a good public relations move for all parties! willynilly

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so is baker gonna beat Darnold in camp to start week 1 coming off of shoulder surgery?
Yes. No matter your opinion of BM - Darnold is worse imo.

is he? to be fair to Darnold, he has not played with a talented combination of o-line and weapons that Baker has.

That ain't the browns o-line he's being protected by.

and on the flip side, what would Darnold have looked like with stefanski for 2 years with the same talent that baker had? does he still suck? the same? ....better than? hm...

That's one of the rare things we are about to see. 2 first round top 10 QB from the same draft class, playing with essentially the same roster, and getting to compare the closest thing to apples to apples as you get in the NFL.

yep. Darnold has a head start in the system, but after the first 3 weeks last season, it went to crap. but he will be healthy, Baker will most likely be healthy, and they will be competing for the starting job with the same level of talent to work with.

if Baker is that guy like some people think, and is gonna have a comeback year, then it starts with him beating out Darnold in camp. and then he's gotta keep the job during the season.

Comeback player of the year? that requires a split with Brady and Winston, sweeping Mariota, and atleast getting the panthers a winning record and wildcard appearance.


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If I were our coaching staff, I'd start giving Jacoby a lot of practice reps. You know what they say, practice makes perfect!!!!!
Here's something my father use to say "You can't polish a turd." I don't see us making the playoff's this year if Watson gets suspended for a lengthy time.


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31. CAROLINA PANTHERS (No Change)

LT Cam Erving | 56.0
LG Michael Jordan | 50.8
C Matt Paradis | 66.9
RG John Miller | 52.1
RT Taylor Moton | 77.8

Carolina’s offensive line was always going to become an issue given the players they prioritized to acquire in the offseason. Taylor Moton earned a 77.8 PFF grade and was one of the better right tackles in the NFL, but he was the only one of 11 linemen to end with a grade above 67.0. John Miller and Michael Jordan, who played just 21 games combined, allowed 13 sacks from their guard spots, and three different linemen earned PFF pass-blocking grades lower than 40.0. This offensive line performance was a true case of reaping what you sow.

I expect that like the torn up shoulder, this will be summarily dismissed by mid-season. Cam Erving at LT? Wow. Anyway...
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Browns juju suggests that Baker plays well in 2022...for 2023 he signs as a FA with a team other than Carolina...Carolina gets a 2024 3rd Rd Compensatory pick and gives us their 2024 4th Rd pick. Perfect.

The Browns will pay over $15MM for the combo of Brissett/Mayfield to man/not-man the QB spot for 2023 not to mention whatever they are flushing for DW. Cap space or not...that is poor management of the cap.

I don't think this QB situation could have been handled any worse if that was the goal from the start.

You probably are already aware of this and just trying to deceive others like you normally do, but the Panthers have brought in new offensive linemen.

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24. CAROLINA PANTHERS

Projected Starting Lineup
LT: Ikem Ekwonu
LG: Brady Christensen
C: Bradley Bozeman
RG: Austin Corbett
RT: Taylor Moton

This is a conservative estimate for what was one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL last season — but it's one that is now bursting with potential after multiple offseason moves. Taylor Moton has played more than 1,000 snaps and earned a 76.0-plus PFF grade in four straight seasons. That’s Carolina's building block, and the team added a couple of free agents on the interior to raise the unit's floor. The offensive line's ultimate performance will obviously depend a lot on how quickly rookie Ikem Ekwonu can adjust to pass protecting at the NFL level after he earned only a 78.3 pass-blocking grade last season for N.C. State.

For four years, you have criticized our OL in order to defend Baker. Well, you got your wish and Baker gets to play w/a much better supporting cast. LMAO

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this would be so disrespectful.

do it.


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