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I’m not disagreeing with you on the Hillary thing, but I just wanted to point out the red herring. “Classified” and “confidential” are two VERY different things.

j/c

I doubt Trump ever is held accountable within the legal system. He is a snake. He is teflon. He is like a crime boss that lets others do his dirty work and take the fall.

If anything this is just one more example of why the man is unfit for office and demonstrates just one more appalling aspect of the worst POTUS ever.

His hard core fanatical fan base will love and support him no matter what. They will ignore any and all facts they don't like. They will invent wild conspiracy theories rather than accept what is so obvious, verifiable. They will excuse behavior and actions from Trump that would send them into a melt down if Obama, Biden, Hilary or any Dem ever did the same. Any of the many, many, many close associates of Trump and his inner circle that come out to reconfirm what a narcist Trump is and how his only interest is himself and his $$$ - will be roundly condemned and called a RINO no matter their pedigree and history as a true conservative.

The difference that nobody on the right wants to discuss is that Hillary faced a very unfriendly congressional hearing for 11 hours and didn't plea the 5th once.. NOT ONCE.. She answered every question asked of her.. she didn't dodge anything. She stood up tall.. In the end, she didn't and won't spend a day in jail...Basically, they found nothing to hang on her.

Yeah, but still… Hunter’s Benghazi briefcase emails and stuff…
Trump did nothing wrong. Perfect presidency. Bigly perfection.


Dig up Ivana’s. I bet that creep buried secrets with her.

let's not start on Biden. it seems like he's got some shady stuff going on too

trump in orange suit a color match to orange skin.

Fitting

And the 2 billion Kushner got from Saudi Arabia was simply a gift.

And now we've been seeing the same thing in Pure football. It's a sign of the times.

jc

still no civil war yet?

When the first guy out the gate goes after the FBI field office and dies in a standoff shootout after only getting off a few nails at the window of the guardhouse... those grand plans tend to cool quickly. All that gravy militia BS doesn't hold up to REAL good guys with guns IRL. I wonder if the Cincy dude died crying for his mama?

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Get a tee-shirt Eve.

Is there a difference between civil war and civil protests?

Knowing about SCIF's, you're well read or have government/military background. I KNOW this, as a retired military officer- I'd be in jail if I had what Trump had at his home. Just another example of him thinking he's above the law. Damn, I hope they put him in the slammer...and I voted Republican my whole life until him. He's a complete dirtbag.

I had to post this. lmao

I'm going to assume you meant all that sarcastically....

The first part, yes.
As far as his ex-wife’s casket… look, I’d put nothing past the creep. He has no morals or scruples. I wouldn’t doubt he buried secrets with her.

I see your point.. and I agree.

Business Insider
Ex-official who investigated Hillary Clinton's emails said the documents recovered by the FBI at Trump's Mar-a-Lago were particularly 'stunning' and 'egregious'

Hannah Getahun
Sun, August 14, 2022, 2:30 AM·2 min read

A former DOJ official who oversaw Hillary Clinton's emails said documents retrieved at Mar-a-Lago were "egregious."

FBI agents found Trump with 11 sets of highly sensitive government information.

One set of documents contained Sensitive Compartmented Information.

A former Justice Department official who oversaw the investigation of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's emails said the sensitivity of the documents that the FBI retrieved from Mar-a-Lago was "particularly stunning and particularly egregious."

On Monday, the FBI searched former President Donald Trump's Palm Beach, Florida, home and seized 11 sets of classified documents from the former president. Trump is being investigated by the DOJ over whether or not he violated three federal laws, including the Espionage Act.

According to a search warrant released by the Department of Justice, one of these sets of Top Secret information was designated as Sensitive Compartmented Information, which is the highest level of sensitivity a classified document can receive.

"The fact that he had SCI material out in the wild, so to speak, at risk is particularly stunning and particularly egregious," David Laufman, the former chief of the Department of Justice's counterintelligence division, told anchor Erin Burnett on CNN.

The release of Top Secret information can cause "exceptionally grave damage" to national security, according to Executive Order 13526.

One of Trump's many defenses following the search was that the documents found in his home had been declassified, but there is little evidence this is the case.

Laufman told CNN that Trump had a "consistent flagrant disregard for the protection of classified information and disregard for the Intelligence Committee throughout his presidency" and was not surprised the former President was holding on to Top Secret government papers.

"Having said that, it is nonetheless shocking to me having overseen prosecutions of multiple defendants under provisions of Espionage Act, to see that same statute leveled as a foundation for a search warrant executed on the home of a former president of the United States," Laufman said.

Laufman also said the discovery of the documents during the FBI's search "completely validates the government's investigation" into the former President.

"Whether this investigation transforms into an outright criminal prosecution remains to be seen," Laufman said.


https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-...s-particularly-stunning-egregious-2022-8

If they are so sensitive, how did this dude even know what was in them?

Wouldn't the sharing of or leaking of such information be a crime?

That is the problem, anything can be said of the documents, then be held classified info that can't be revealed other than say it was egregious.

Enablement, deflection, the normalization of breaking laws, excuses .... it's about what I expect from Trump fan. Would have expected more from you - and while I get that anything in the media should be examined for exaggeration and agenda, the automatic gainsay of any investigation into Trump and his actions is awfully old. Hilary faced investigation. She faced Congress under oath. She didn't deflect or hide ... all we get from Trump is deflection, no accountability, nothing under oath. smh.

She also voluntarily turned over her server. Not even a subpoena was needed for her to do so. Trump on the other hand was issued a subpoena over these documents in the spring and at the time the warrant was issued still had not complied with the subpoena. But you know how Republicans have been dealing with subpoena's lately. They act like they don't count or aren't to be honored. Like the law doesn't count. I find it rather surprising that Peen thinks that trump refusing to turn over these documents months after them being subpoenaed doesn't constitute the right of law enforcement to seize these documents. Murica!

Oh, ffs ... now I have to wipe off my screen.

Hey, bro- where'd ya go?

"He's a real Nowhere Man, 'cause his st00pid azz got banned..."

Nice way to put forth a Beatles reference

You could hear it in your head as you read it, couldn't you?

:

Of course!

But that nowhere man won’t listen, no matter your plea(se). Never has.

I'm losing it.
Please stop it. You're hurting me. Repeatedly.

(see "Browns News & Notes")

I am not deflecting. I asked a legit question, and I am not as big a fan of the Ex as much as you think. I maintain my position, I question the charges because of all the BS charges levied in the past. Sorry, I have lost a great deal of trust in factions with-in the FBI and Democrat party. If the DOJ has something, this is important enough to bring the cards to the table. If it is a strong hand, then it is what it is and the Ex needs to go down. I don't see a fairer way to go about things, so that is what you can expect from me.

If this simply drags on to the next presidential cycle, then it is BS and in it's own way an attempt at election rigging.

I trust that explains my position.

Again, it you forgot the questions I posed:

If they are so sensitive, how did this dude even know what was in them?

Wouldn't the sharing of or leaking of such information be a crime?

That is the problem, anything can be said of the documents, then be held classified info that can't be revealed other than say it was egregious.


I am not saying the alleged documents aren't sensitive or egregious. I am just not buying that they are because someone at the politically led DOJ says they are. I don't expect to see the documents. I will just wait until people of various political persuasion with clearance levels to review the information agree they are sensitive national secrets and were being held for nefarious means.

I suppose another question needs to be asked. If a local cop can plant evidence in a car, how hard would it be for the FBI to plant a classified document in a box held in their custody?

I withdraw that question.

Harmony and all.

Mar-a-Lago footage subpoenaed by DoJ sparks speculation Trump may still have some classified document

Video from 60-day period included ‘views from outside the storage room’, according to report

Surveillance video subpoenaed by the Department of Justice has raised concerns that Donald Trump may still have some classified documents at Mar-a-Lago.

Investigators from the DOJ subpoenaed video from a 60-day period “including views from outside the storage room”, reported The New York Times.

“According to a person briefed on the matter, the footage showed that, after one instance in which Justice Department officials were in contact with Mr. Trump’s team, boxes were moved in and out of the room,” reported Maggie Haberman and Glenn Thrush for the newspaper.

“That activity prompted concern among investigators about the handling of the material.”

The Times says that it is not clear exactly when the footage was from.

But Trump observers took to Twitter to raise their concerns.

“It sounds like DOJ has reason to be concerned that it *still* may not have recovered all of the classified material taken by Trump,” tweeted former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti.



And Watergate prosecutor Jill Wine-Banks, added: “Trump Lawyer Told Justice Dept. That Classified Material Had Been Returned. Obviously that raises many questions since it was false. If true, FBI couldn’t have left with 21 more boxes in August.”



Bill Kristol, who was Dan Quayle’s chief of staff tweeted, “Whoa. Let me amplify. WHOA.”



“...of course, maybe Trump just had a standing order that the classified/magically de-classified documents be moved around every now and then so they could get some air…”

Mr Trump himself took to Truth Social on Sunday and called for the FBI to return some of the documents taken in last week’s raid.

The former president claimed in the post that some of the documents were protected under attorney-client privilege and should not have been seized in the first place.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...e-trump-fbi-raid-documents-b2144889.html

The FBI is headed by a Republican who was appointed by trump. Do you actually believe this ran up the chain of command without him approving this as well? It's great to have a picture painted in your mind when overlooking the fact that it was the FBI who requested the warrant is ran by a trump appointee. And any rational thinking person would understand that it went up the ranks of the FBI, including Wray before it was ever even seen by the Justice Department.

I see you've climbed all the way down that rabbit hole. You're already laying the groundwork to dispute anything they found. Just like trump told you to do.

This is what we have today. Political discourse at the highest level.

Republicans should be ashamed at what now makes up the party of Law and Order.

"Law and Order" is just a catch phrase that holds no meaning. We actually heard a phone call where trump tried to get Georgia election officials to "find him votes". They don't care. Later in that same phone call he told those same officials that not doing so may be criminal. Ramping up the pressure on them. We saw the transcripts of a phone call pressuring Ukraine to do his bidding before releasing the money congress had approved and he did not have the power to stop. Most would consider that blackmail. They don't care. We now see he refused to turn over documents after he was issued a subpoena to do so. They don't care.

Once again, this entire "Party of law And Order" BS is just that, BS. I mean anyone who can watch what happened on Jan. 6th and the listen to them claim they care about "Blue Lives Matter" or the "Party of Law and Order" must be dumber than a box of rocks.