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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
No doubt only Rebublican Presidents have taken presidential papers just like only Republicans have access to the beans that Jack used to grow his beanstalk..

What evidence do you have that any other president regardless of party took secret and top secret documents with them when leaving The White House? I understand that just throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks has become a popular sport but thinking people need a little more than that.


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No doubt only Rebublican Presidents have taken presidential papers just like only Republicans have access to the beans that Jack used to grow his beanstalk..

What evidence do you have that any other president regardless of party took secret and top secret documents with them when leaving The White House? I understand that just throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks has become a popular sport but thinking people need a little more than that.

Trump said it, it must be true



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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
No doubt only Rebublican Presidents have taken presidential papers just like only Republicans have access to the beans that Jack used to grow his beanstalk..

You know, reading your posts sound more and more trump like every day. Not only did you not give any evidence to support your assertion, but the National Archives has shown this is a total lie....

Fact check: National Archives debunks Trump’s false claim about Bush documents

First, former President Donald Trump tried a false claim about the document-handling practices of former President Barack Obama. Now, Trump is making the same false claim about other former presidents.

In August, after the FBI recovered classified documents and numerous other presidential records from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and resort in Florida, Trump declared that Obama had taken millions of presidential documents to Chicago. The National Archives and Records Administration quickly debunked his assertion, explaining it was NARA itself, not Obama, that took the documents to a NARA-managed facility in the Chicago area.

Then, at rallies in Nevada and Arizona this weekend, Trump not only repeated the false claim about Obama but added near-identical dishonesty about previous presidents George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.

Most dramatically, Trump said, “George H.W. Bush took millions of documents to a former bowling alley and a former Chinese restaurant; where they combined them. So they’re in a bowling alley slash Chinese restaurant.” Trump added, “A Chinese restaurant and a bowling alley. With no security and a broken front door.”

Trump also claimed that “Bill Clinton took millions of documents from the White House to a former car dealership in Arkansas” and that “George W. Bush stored 68 million pages in a warehouse in Texas.”

Facts First: All of these Trump claims are false. George H.W. Bush did not take millions of documents to a former bowling alley and Chinese restaurant. Rather, the National Archives and Records Administration took Bush’s presidential documents to this facility prior to the opening of the Bush presidential library in the same city. Trump’s claims about Clinton and George W. Bush are inaccurate in precisely the same way: NARA, not the former presidents themselves, put the documents in temporary storage at NARA-managed facilities at the former car dealership in Arkansas and the warehouse in Texas. And Trump was also wrong that there was “no security” at the facility where the elder Bush’s documents were housed: the facility was heavily secured, according to a news report at the time.

So there is no equivalence between Trump’s handling of presidential documents and those of his predecessors. In the others’ cases, the presidential documents were in NARA’s possession and stored securely and professionally. In Trump’s case, the presidential documents found in haphazard amateur storage at Mar-a-Lago were in Trump’s own possession, despite numerous attempts by both NARA and the Justice Department to get them back.

NARA sent CNN a statement on Tuesday, after the initial publication of this article, confirming that Trump’s claims are false.

The statement said that NARA had possession of Bush, Bush, Clinton, Obama and Ronald Reagan presidential records after those presidents left office and that NARA moved the records to temporary facilities NARA leased near the locations of their future presidential libraries. The statement continued: “All such temporary facilities met strict archival and security standards, and have been managed and staffed exclusively by NARA employees. Reports that indicate or imply that those Presidential records were in the possession of the former Presidents or their representatives, after they left office, or that the records were housed in substandard conditions, are false and misleading.”


Trump’s claims about George H.W. Bush

Trump urged the authorities to “look into what took place” with George H.W. Bush and presidential documents. But there is nothing of substance to investigate: the National Archives and Records Administration has been forthright since the 1990s about where it temporarily stored Bush documents before his permanent library opened. In fact, the NARA official who was in charge of the transition of the Bush documents to the permanent library publicly joked about the temporary facility at the time.

“I’ve told reporters this for the last four years: It’s not just a bowling alley; it’s a bowling alley and a Chinese restaurant,” David Alsobrook said.

While the temporary College Station, Texas, location made for a fun story, there was nothing unusual about NARA’s use of such a building. NARA needs lots of space to house presidential documents before presidents’ permanent libraries are built, so it finds and modifies large nearby facilities that often have formerly housed other activities.

Someone listening to Trump’s rally comments might have pictured documents from the first Bush administration being scattered carelessly in bowling lanes. But that’s not what happened. The Washington Post reported in 1993: “There aren’t any lanes anymore. No gutters, no pins, no beer. Thanks to a rush remodeling job after last November’s election, there are a few simple offices, a massive, fire-resistant vault and row after row of steel shelves filled with cardboard boxes and wooden crates.”

As NARA’s Tuesday statement said, there was also extensive security. The Associated Press reported in 1994: “Uniformed guards patrol the premises. There are closed-circuit television monitors and sophisticated electronic detectors along walls and doors. Some printed material is classified and will remain so for years; it is open only to those with top-secret clearances.”

Robert Holzweiss, who began working on the George H.W. Bush library in 1996 and is now deputy director, told People magazine for an article in early 2022: “When I got involved the temporary facility for the Bush museum was in College Station, Texas, in an old bowling alley. Without the alleys it was perfect, it was like a warehouse. They just built a secure space within to house the classified material.”

Bush died in 2018. His son Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor who ran against Trump in 2016 for the Republican presidential nomination, wrote on Twitter in response to Trump’s claims about the late president: “I am so confused. My dad enjoyed a good Chinese meal and enjoyed the challenge of 7 10 split. What the heck is up with you?”
Trump’s false claims about Bill Clinton and George W. Bush

Trump’s rally claims about former presidents Clinton and George W. Bush are false for the exact same reason as Trump’s claims about Obama and the elder Bush are false.

That former Balch Motor Company building in Little Rock, Arkansas, where millions of Clinton presidential documents were stored? Again, it was the National Archives and Records Administration that took the documents to this facility, which NARA managed, in advance of the opening of Clinton’s library in the same city.

That warehouse in Lewisville, Texas where millions of the younger Bush’s presidential documents were stored? It was a NARA-managed facility, used to store documents while Bush’s permanent library was being readied in nearby Dallas.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/10/poli...s-george-hw-bush-bowling-chinese-clinton

Let me put this in bold for you..... YOU ARE BEING LIED TO! AGAIN!


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The statement said that NARA had possession of Bush, Bush, Clinton, Obama and Ronald Reagan presidential records after those presidents left office and that NARA moved the records to temporary facilities NARA leased near the locations of their future presidential libraries. The statement continued: “All such temporary facilities met strict archival and security standards, and have been managed and staffed exclusively by NARA employees. Reports that indicate or imply that those Presidential records were in the possession of the former Presidents or their representatives, after they left office, or that the records were housed in substandard conditions, are false and misleading.”


Just wanted to repeat and highlight. But then - in this alternate universe we live in with a Deep State that is out to get Trump, who can believe what the FBI, the Intelligence Agencies or anyone in office says .... Ever.

You know what's so funny about the Deep State lie that Trump and his supporters have spun since the initial election .... this Deep State is far reaching, powerful ... but so inept that they couldn't prevent a WuckFit like Trump out of office. Hmmmmm 🤔


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A Trump aide was caught on security camera moving boxes from a Mar-a-Lago storage room before and after the DOJ subpoenaed Trump for top-secret documents: NYT
Cheryl Teh 6 hours ago


Walt Nauta, a longtime Trump aide, was seen moving boxes out from a storage room the FBI searched.
The incidents were caught on security footage, The New York Times reported.
Nauta was seen moving boxes before and after the DOJ demanded top-secret files be returned in May.



A Trump aide was caught on security camera moving boxes out of a storage room in Mar-a-Lago, per a report from The New York Times. The Times did not view the security footage and Insider was not independently able to verify its contents.

The Times spoke to three people familiar with the matter, who said longtime Trump staffer Walt Nauta was seen on Mar-a-Lago's security footage moving boxes out of a storage room that was later searched by the FBI. This took place both before and after the Department of Justice issued a subpoena in May ordering Trump to hand over classified documents, per the NYT's sources.

Intrigue has swirled around what was kept in the storage room, and whether anything was removed from it before the DOJ searched Trump's property. The Times' piece dropped hours after The Washington Post reported that Trump himself explicitly directed employees to move boxes of White House documents from the storage room. These boxes were taken from the storage area to the former president's private residence after Trump advisers received the DOJ's subpoena in May, per The Post.

The FBI also interviewed Nauta several times before it raided Mar-a-Lago on August 8, according to one of The Times' sources.

After the raid, the FBI carted off 11,000 documents from Mar-a-Lago, including some that were marked "CLASSIFIED." Investigators found documents inside a closet in Trump's office and a storage area in the property's basement. Some of the documents the FBI found were so sensitive that investigators needed further clearance to view them. Among the documents retrieved was classified information on a foreign country's nuclear defenses, The Washington Post reported.

The DOJ is currently investigating whether Trump broke three federal laws — including the Espionage Act — by keeping the files at his Florida residence. In an August court filing, the Justice Department said it had evidence "that government records were likely concealed and removed" from the storage room at Mar-a-Lago, and that "efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government's investigation."

Nauta's lawyer, Stanley Woodward Jr., declined to comment on The Times' reporting. Taylor Budowich, Trump's spokesman at his post-presidential press office, told The Times the Biden administration was "colluding with the media through targeted leaks in an overt and illegal act of intimidation and tampering."

Budowich and Woodward Jr. did not immediately respond to Insider's requests for comment.


https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-aide-caught-camera-moving-boxes-mar-a-lago-storage-2022-10


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Trump employee tells FBI that Trump directed boxes to be moved at Mar-a-Lago after subpoena served

A Trump employee has told the FBI about being directed by the former President to move boxes out of a basement storage room to his residence at Mar-a-Lago after Donald Trump’s legal team received a subpoena for any classified documents at the Florida estate, according to a source familiar with the witness’ description.

The FBI also has surveillance footage showing a staffer moving boxes out of the storage room, the source told CNN.

The witness account of Trump’s actions after the subpoena was served in May coupled with the footage could be key to the federal criminal investigation that’s looking into a range of potential crimes, including obstruction, destruction of government records and mishandling of classified information.

FBI agents executed a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago in August and seized thousands of documents, including about 100 marked as classified. The FBI also subpoenaed the Trump Organization for surveillance video from the resort.

The Trump employee initially denied handling sensitive documents or boxes at Mar-a-Lago, according to the source. But the FBI developed evidence that prompted investigators to go back to the witness, who revised their story to say Trump had given instructions to move the boxes, the source said.

The Washington Post was the first to report on the witness account.

The Department of Justice has previously alleged that classified documents at the resort were “likely concealed and removed” from a storage room at Mar-a-Lago as part of an effort to “obstruct” the FBI’s investigation into Trump’s potential mishandling of classified materials.

After Trump returned 15 boxes of materials to the National Archives in January, the Justice Department subpoenaed Trump in May, seeking documents with classification markings that were still at Mar-a-Lago.

According to a lawsuit he later filed, Trump directed his staff to search for any remaining classified material to comply with the subpoena. After federal investigators retrieved documents from the resort in June, his lawyers later told investigators that they had searched the storage area and that all classified documents were accounted for.

Prosecutors said in August that that some documents were likely removed from a storage room before Trump’s lawyers examined the area, while they were trying to comply with the subpoena.

“The government also developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government’s investigation,” prosecutors wrote at the time. “This included evidence indicating that boxes formerly in the Storage Room were not returned prior to counsel’s review.”

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Supreme Court rejects Trump's request in dispute over Mar-a-Lago documents

The decision means a special master reviewing documents seized from Mar-a-Lago cannot access classified papers as part of the litigation.

The Supreme Court handed former President Donald Trump a loss Thursday in his dispute with the Justice Department over documents seized from his Mar-a-Lago residence, rejecting his request that a special master be allowed to review classified papers.

The justices denied Trump’s relatively narrow emergency request in a brief unsigned order. There were no noted dissents.

The decision does not affect the Justice Department’s access to the same documents as part of a criminal investigation. The more than 100 documents marked as classified are just a small portion of the 11,000 records seized by federal agents in August amid concerns that Trump had unlawfully retained official White House records after leaving office.

The high court left in place part of a Sept. 21 decision by the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that barred the special master, federal Judge Raymond Dearie, from reviewing the documents. Trump had not contested the separate part of that ruling allowing the Justice Department to use the documents.

The appeals court said certain documents are deemed classified because they contain information that could harm the national security, and for that reason people may have access to them only if they need to know that information.

Trump’s lawyers had said the decision to block Dearie's access “impairs substantially the ongoing, time-sensitive work of the special master.” They argued that "any limit on the comprehensive and transparent review of materials seized in the extraordinary raid of a president’s home erodes public confidence in our system of justice."

Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar, on behalf of the Justice Department, said in court papers that Trump would suffer “no harm at all” if the documents are temporarily withheld from the special master. Addressing Trump’s potential ownership stake in the documents, including possible assertions of attorney-client privilege of executive privilege, Prelogar said Trump had “no plausible claims.”

Trump sued the government after the August search of Mar-a-Lago, seeking to prevent the government from using them as part of a criminal investigation and asking for the appointment of a special master to review the documents.

Under federal law, official White House papers are federal property and must be handed over to the National Archives when the president leaves office. Trump says he did nothing improper and wants Dearie to determine the status of documents marked classified. Trump himself has said he had the power to declassify documents at will, although whether or not they are classified is a separate question from the legality of his holding on to presidential records.

Although the Supreme Court has a 6-3 conservative majority, including three justices he appointed, Trump has not recently fared well in other such emergency applications, including his attempt to prevent White House documents from being handed over to the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, and his bid to avoid disclosure of his financial records to prosecutors in New York.

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Now Jan 6th Panel subpoenas trump.

So let's see:

trump organization faces fraud which includes his family members.
Georgia case moving forward. You know the one where he asked Georgia to throw the election and find votes.
He will be deposed in a rape case.
Supreme Court blows up his appeal for master checking stolen classified docs.

For those who have at least an open mind who have listened to the Jan 6th hearing as told by republicans. Well there is that Jan 6th thing for dereliction of duty and failing his Oath of Office. Obstruction of justice and transfer of power. Inciting an armed mob to attack the capitol. Then doing nothing while it happened and Congress members and others were facing danger and police and others were dying.

Quite a resume for an ex president. The same guy who today remains a threat and continues to violate the law by still hiding stolen documents allegedly.

I can't wait till judgement day and the orange brat meets justice.

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Now Jan 6th Panel subpoenas trump.

So let's see:

trump organization faces fraud which includes his family members.
Georgia case moving forward. You know the one where he asked Georgia to throw the election and find votes.
He will be deposed in a rape case.
Supreme Court blows up his appeal for master checking stolen classified docs.

For those who have at least an open mind who have listened to the Jan 6th hearing as told by republicans. Well there is that Jan 6th thing for dereliction of duty and failing his Oath of Office. Obstruction of justice and transfer of power. Inciting an armed mob to attack the capitol. Then doing nothing while it happened and Congress members and others were facing danger and police and others were dying.

Quite a resume for an ex president. The same guy who today remains a threat and continues to violate the law by still hiding stolen documents allegedly.

I can't wait till judgement day and the orange brat meets justice.

Are you talking about the future republican presidential candidate?



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I doubt it.

I don't see him getting another vote that he lost before. He will not gain votes from independants and suburbia.

He lost the popular vote twice. I do not think he will gain ground anywhere. In fact I am not sure he will run. I think he knows he will lose. In fact I am not sure he would win the primary.

Hell he maybe be behind bars or in some kind of confinement.

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A Trump aide was caught on security camera moving boxes from a Mar-a-Lago storage room before and after the DOJ subpoenaed Trump for top-secret documents: NYT

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-aide-caught-security-camera-063830449.html

were these the fake documents Trump was talking about, or was that another box?


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just checking to see if the civil war is still gonna happen? i just upgraded my phone at verizon and got that 14 max pro. so i can stream the war in 4k HD with the wifi signal coming out the SUV. just let me know which waffle house to post up at.


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just checking to see if the civil war is still gonna happen? i just upgraded my phone at verizon and got that 14 max pro. so i can stream the war in 4k HD with the wifi signal coming out the SUV. just let me know which waffle house to post up at.

All that civil war rhetoric will be hitting hard right after Dems sweep their asses next Tuesday. All the cable news pundits are saying it looks bad for Dems, while completely discounting the Roe reversal, the right's radical agenda, and all the Trumpian crimes we've seen and are still seeing. Dems should run away with this election IMO. Pissing and moaning about the economy is all the right really has, not sure it will be enough this time.

So I imagine, from all the promises Trumpians are making, that if they lose the midterms and don't take control of either body of congress, then all hell will break lose. I guess we'll see.

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And their plan to fix it is to lower taxes on the rich. And reinstate trumps Twitter account.


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Pissing and moaning about the economy is all the right really has
And their plan to fix it is to lower taxes on the rich. And reinstate trumps Twitter account.

It really doesn't matter if they have a plan or not. Most voters have no idea that inflation is a global problem at this time and I doubt they would care if they did know. All they know and care about is that since the dems took over inflation is terrible. They're having trouble feeding their families and paying their bills. Week to week survival and the ability to live the life they are/were accustomed to is more important to them than anything else and they're looking for someone to blame. It's a huge problem that stares them in the face daily. Living day to day is priority #1.

If anyone on the left still believes next Tuesday will have an outcome you will be happy with, you're in for a rude awakening. Voters have always voted with their wallets in such situations and this election will be no different.


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True. Hoping for the best though. If Democrats show up in full force Tuesday they’ll do fine.


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I think the dems, Monday afternoon, should flood the airwaves promising to end all Camp Lejeune lawsuit solicitation... that could be the tipping point.


IMO, what Pit said is entirely true; and very hard to overcome.

Since we've been through two farcical presidencies now (1.5, but who's counting), I find myself often asking "what would Obama do?". He would have addressed the nation a while ago with a well-worded speech, explaining all the reasons for the inflation and some things we can do to "save ourselves" while we ride out the storm. He may have even admitted some fault, and what he would change in hindsight. He wouldn't be running around screaming "Putin's price hike!" ad nauseam.

Our last two presidents have made an absolute mockery of themselves (and the office) with their endless, childish, narrative recital. Thinking that if they repeat it enough, everyone will believe it instead of talking to people like adults. Unfortunately, we've entered an age when all these dolts are sold on "lockstep", it is that which will be the dem's undoing on Tuesday. jmo


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It is sad. It seems both parties each gather independently in a room and ask themselves, "Who would be the worst candidate we could possibly endorse for president?" One would hope there would at least be a minimum threshold of a person who is smart and has good communication skills. But it appears they find such things to be offensive.


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... with their endless, childish, narrative recital. Thinking that if they repeat it enough, everyone will believe it instead of talking to people like adults...


You are right.
The problem is that they are right.

They keep repeating things and the people keep believing it.
The more ridiculous the statement, the more people believe it

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I think the dems, Monday afternoon, should flood the airwaves promising to end all Camp Lejeune lawsuit solicitation... that could be the tipping point.


IMO, what Pit said is entirely true; and very hard to overcome.

Since we've been through two farcical presidencies now (1.5, but who's counting), I find myself often asking "what would Obama do?". He would have addressed the nation a while ago with a well-worded speech, explaining all the reasons for the inflation and some things we can do to "save ourselves" while we ride out the storm. He may have even admitted some fault, and what he would change in hindsight. He wouldn't be running around screaming "Putin's price hike!" ad nauseam.

Our last two presidents have made an absolute mockery of themselves (and the office) with their endless, childish, narrative recital. Thinking that if they repeat it enough, everyone will believe it instead of talking to people like adults. Unfortunately, we've entered an age when all these dolts are sold on "lockstep", it is that which will be the dem's undoing on Tuesday. jmo

I’d just like to add that the high odds will be that the same two people will face off against each other in 2024.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
It is sad. It seems both parties each gather independently in a room and ask themselves, "Who would be the worst candidate we could possibly endorse for president?" One would hope there would at least be a minimum threshold of a person who is smart and has good communication skills. But it appears they find such things to be offensive.


I 100% support this comment.


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Politics and politicians are so frustrating to me.

There has never been a "perfect candidate." None that I would back completely. None that represent my interests completely.

Most times I am left with a choice between two evils. But trump has pushed things to a new level.

He is completely unfit for the office and by all rights should be behind bars.

The rest of the other politicians all fit the mold of liars and the worst kind of hypocrites.

Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham, Cuomo, the list is endless and not restricted to republicans.

I can take about 2 minutes of listening to any politician. Then I just have to go mute.

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I can't say I disagree with you. That's why I stated you would think that the two major parties would at least promote nominating a candidate that is smart and can communicate well. But as we can see it seems they have no minimum standard at all.


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No doubt only Rebublican Presidents have taken presidential papers just like only Republicans have access to the beans that Jack used to grow his beanstalk..

What evidence do you have that any other president regardless of party took secret and top secret documents with them when leaving The White House? I understand that just throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks has become a popular sport but thinking people need a little more than that.

Trump and his minions keep saying that Obama and both Bush presidents did.. The National Archives have blown this up but it doesn't matter, if trump says it, some idiot somewhere will believe it. (Just like Hitler did it,, tell a big lie, repeat it and some fool will buy itn)
I am not sure I've ever heard of a president taking documents such as the ones that Trump took. Peen is once again doing his best "cry like a baby" routine starting with the wooooo is me crap. Everyone is picking on me garbage.


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I find it interesting going back and reading these comments.


I hope everyone that wanted Trump in jail will want Biden in jail too.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
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No doubt only Rebublican Presidents have taken presidential papers just like only Republicans have access to the beans that Jack used to grow his beanstalk..

What evidence do you have that any other president regardless of party took secret and top secret documents with them when leaving The White House? I understand that just throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks has become a popular sport but thinking people need a little more than that.

This one is especially precious.

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Originally Posted by superbowldogg
I find it interesting going back and reading these comments.


I hope everyone that wanted Trump in jail will want Biden in jail too.
I find it interesting as well.

We'll find out if the outrage was over secret documents, or over Trump, and R vs. the curent D. Lack of accusing Biden of treason, sabotage, etc, making excuses for Biden. Not gonna cut it. The same people that wanted trumps head over this better be calling for biden's as well.

And we're just learning of new biden taken classified documents, involving Ukraine. Weird. Burisma? Hunter?

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Originally Posted by superbowldogg
I find it interesting going back and reading these comments.


I hope everyone that wanted Trump in jail will want Biden in jail too.
I find it interesting as well.

We'll find out if the outrage was over secret documents, or over Trump, and R vs. the curent D. Lack of accusing Biden of treason, sabotage, etc, making excuses for Biden. Not gonna cut it. The same people that wanted trumps head over this better be calling for biden's as well.

And we're just learning of new biden taken classified documents, involving Ukraine. Weird. Burisma? Hunter?

One denied and purposely hid thousands. One found mistakenly placed documents and reported them immediately.



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I have an idea -- why don't we just fix this going forward.

The new rule: All Top Secret Documents are Belong to Us.

You remove them from where they live, it is a criminal act. That includes everyone from Jeff in the mail room to the POTUS.


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Originally Posted by superbowldogg
I find it interesting going back and reading these comments.


I hope everyone that wanted Trump in jail will want Biden in jail too.
I find it interesting as well.

We'll find out if the outrage was over secret documents, or over Trump, and R vs. the curent D. Lack of accusing Biden of treason, sabotage, etc, making excuses for Biden. Not gonna cut it. The same people that wanted trumps head over this better be calling for biden's as well.

And we're just learning of new biden taken classified documents, involving Ukraine. Weird. Burisma? Hunter?

One denied and purposely hid thousands. One found mistakenly placed documents and reported them immediately.



I think that is the point with trump. It really wasn't a big deal that he had those documents. It became a big deal when he refused to return them, then defied a subpoena to return them.
Had he just returned them when he was asked for them we probably never would have found out he had them.


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Funny how the goal posts have moved. Originally it was "trump had classified stuff", and now after biden has the same thing, it's "trump had more, and he didn't return them", mean while, Biden had them (and who knows how many more he has?????? He certainly hasn't come out and said "I have some" - they got discovered.

What has been lost over the years? Ukraine documents? How many more are there? People bitching about trump damn well better bitch about biden. If not, they are 2 faced boot suckers based on politics. Period.

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Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Funny how the goal posts have moved. Originally it was "trump had classified stuff", and now after biden has the same thing, it's "trump had more, and he didn't return them", mean while, Biden had them (and who knows how many more he has?????? He certainly hasn't come out and said "I have some" - they got discovered.

What has been lost over the years? Ukraine documents? How many more are there? People bitching about trump damn well better bitch about biden. If not, they are 2 faced boot suckers based on politics. Period.
Biden didn't have anything. They were in a meeting room. And no one knew they were there. So no Biden doesn't have the same thing.



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