You managed to make this thread all about others... where they post, what they post about... rather than Sleepy Joe and his endless trail of lies. And then you call that "participating in a celebration thread". You truly are one of a kind.
You should work for the Biden administration, you'd fit right in.
I came here and said that Biden needed to be investigated. I said they should start by looking into how those documents got to where they were and expand the investigations wherever the evidence led them. I came here and said that both trump and Biden were wrong. I pointed out that Garland turned the investigation over to a trump appointed judge to make sure there was no appearance of bias or favoritism and have no issue with that.
And what were your comments regarding trump on the same exact topic? You see, you can spout all the bluster you like out of your blow hole. But the facts are plain and simple. When it came to trump you had nothing to say. Now here you are. No amount of spin can change that. One you had no comments and no call for accountability. When it comes to the other you do. I by contrast had no problem coming here and saying both were a problem.
All of your twisting and blaming me for your actions in some feeble attempt to try and deflect that change nothing. The same goes for everyone else that did the same.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Documents Found at Biden Office Raise Concerns of CCP Connection: Paul Kamenar
By Ryan Morgan and Steve Lance January 13, 2023 Updated: January 13, 2023
The discovery of potentially classified documents at President Joe Biden’s former office space at the Penn Biden Center raises concerns in light of the center’s ties to China and potentially to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), according to Paul Kamenar, an attorney for the National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC).
In November, lawyers tasked with closing down Biden’s office space at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement—a Washington office space Biden jointly operated with the University of Pennsylvania—discovered potentially classified documents in a locked closet. Following their discovery, the Biden administration lawyers reportedly contacted the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) to turn over the documents.
The Biden administration publicly announced the discovery of these documents on Monday, Jan. 9, more than two months after they turned them over to NARA.
In an interview with NTD News, Kamenar raised concern about the discovery of these documents in light of the approximately $63 million the University of Pennsylvania has received from China in recent years.
“There is a direct connection here because the Penn Biden Center is funded, of course, by the University of Pennsylvania,” Kamenar said. “And our investigation, in fact, our complaint against the Biden center with the Department of Education is that they are getting a lot of money from China, from the Chinese Communist entities there that are really unaccounted for.”
In May 2020, NLPC filed a complaint, requesting that the Department of Education investigate the university and the Penn Biden Center over donations from anonymous Chinese sources.
“There’s about $63 million that was given to the University of Pennsylvania over the last few years. Of that, $22 million is listed as anonymous. And there’s one single donation of $14.5 million from one single anonymous source in China. That was given in 2018 when the Biden center opened, and there’s more money given after Biden announced in 2019 that he is running for president. So the question is, how is this Chinese money getting to the Biden center?” Kamenar told NTD News.
According to Kamenar, the University of Pennsylvania insisted the Penn Biden Center is funded through the university’s general treasury, but he said that answer “avoids the question” of are the anonymous Chinese donations to the university related to Biden’s connection with the school?
“The money coming from China to the University of Pennsylvania, where does that go? It’s not given to the music department at the University of Pennsylvania. University of Pennsylvania has various Chinese-related institutes within the university system, and the Biden Center is one,” Kamenar said. “So it doesn’t take a Sherlock Holmes to deduce that a lot of this Chinese money is being funneled to the Biden Center.”
Discoveries Raise Questions of How and When Documents Were Moved
In addition to the initial discovery of documents at the Penn Biden Center on Nov. 2, the White House has admitted another set of documents was found at Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware on Dec. 20, 2022, followed by another discovery of documents at the home on Jan. 12, 2022.
Kamenar suggested that the Biden administration decided to delay disclosing their initial document findings until after the 2022 midterm elections.
“The original set of documents were discovered on Nov. 2, six days before the midterm election so I could see why they kept it secret until after the elections. But now it’s two months later, and we’re finally learning about this. I think they were trying to keep this under wraps,” Kamenar said.
The potentially classified documents found in Biden’s former office space and in his home could have come from his time as the vice president before leaving office in 2017.
Kamenar said the document discoveries raise questions about when they were potentially removed from the White House and where they were stored during the time between Biden’s term as vice president and when he returned to the White House as the president. Biden became an honorary professor at the University of Pennsylvania in 2017 and the Penn Biden Center opened in 2018.
“In terms of when were these documents transferred from the White House would [be] when Biden left the White House in 2017, they apparently went to his home in Delaware, and from there, University of Pennsylvania, back to the Biden center here,” Kamenar said.
Kamenar also questioned the timing of the decision to finally close down the Penn Biden Center in November of 2022—about two years after Biden won the presidency—and the involvement of lawyers in that move.
“Why was he moving his office here in the Biden center in November, when he was already out of office for two years? Why did it take him two years to say, hey, I don’t need that office anymore at the Biden center, I should have moved? And then why is he having high-priced DC private attorneys do that moving? I mean, you’re gonna move your office, you hire a moving company or some staffer or intern, say ‘hey, move these boxes back'” Kamenar said. “So there’s a lot that needs to be explored here.”
Comparisons to Trump Mar-a-Lago Documents
Kamenar also addressed comparisons between the discovery of documents at Biden’s office and home to the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort to recover potentially classified documents on that Florida property.
The attorney said there’s not much of a fundamental difference between the Trump and Biden’s cases.
“They both involve mishandling classified information. And sure there’s more documents at Mar-a-Lago. But that’s not a legal distinction,” he said.
Kamenar said the other distinction he sees is that Trump had the authority to declassify documents when he was president. Indeed, Trump has claimed he declassified the documents FBI agents recovered from his home in August.
“President Trump had the authority to declassify the documents he took from the White House down to Mar-a-Lago,” Kamenar said. “Joe Biden, as vice president, did not have that authority. So he could not claim that, ‘Oh, I declassified these documents.’ So that’s a difference that actually favors Donald Trump.”
Following the initial disclosure of documents found at the Penn Biden Center, Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), the ranking Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, said Biden’s team “appear[s] to have taken immediate and proper action” by notifying NARA after they found the documents.
Special counsel to the president Richard Sauber also said the documents likely ended up at Biden’s home and office space by mistake.
Sauber said Biden “takes classified information and materials seriously,” adding that “we are confident that a thorough review will show that these documents were inadvertently misplaced, and the President and his lawyers acted promptly upon discovery of this mistake.”
Kamenar praised Attorney General Merrick Garland’s decision to appoint a special counsel to review the documents found at Biden’s home and office to show that both Biden and Trump’s cases are being treated seriously.
“At the end of the day, it was important that there be a special counsel appointed to look into the Biden documents, because that’s what they did with Trump and the American people needs to see that justice is being equally handled out here and [in] both cases,” Kamenar said.
“President Trump had the authority to declassify the documents he took from the White House down to Mar-a-Lago,” Kamenar said. “Joe Biden, as vice president, did not have that authority. So he could not claim that, ‘Oh, I declassified these documents.’ So that’s a difference that actually favors Donald Trump.”
Do Vice Presidents Not Have Authority To Declassify Documents?
The question surfaced after news broke that two batches of classified documents were found at President Joe Biden's Delaware home and former office.
Federal law does not give U.S. vice presidents authority to declassify government documents.
Rating: False
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Under an Obama-era executive order, vice presidents have the authority to classify and declassify documents — just like presidents. In January 2023, after news broke that federal documents pertaining to U.S. President Joe Biden's tenure as vice president were uncovered at his former office and Delaware home, critics pushed the erroneous notion that he didn't have the authority, while serving under Obama, to declassify those files. Nonetheless, the matter was irrelevant to the U.S. Department of Justice's review of Biden's handling of such files.
The Epoch Times is a multi-language newspaper founded in 2000 by John Tang and a group of Chinese Americans associated with the Falun Gong spiritual movement. Though the newspaper is known for general interest topics with a focus on news about China and its human rights issues, it has become known for its support of U.S. President Donald Trump and favorable coverage of far-right politicians in Europe; a 2019 report showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign. The newspaper is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty Television (NTD). The group's news sites and YouTube channels are viewed by NBC News as spreading conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccination propaganda. For its articles, the publication draws from a network within China, as well as staff living in the West. The Epoch Times has print editions in English, Chinese, and six other languages. Fifteen additional languages are published online only. The English edition of The Epoch Times is sold in broadsheet format Monday to Friday in New York City and Washington, D.C., and weekly across the United States and Canada. A typical issue includes news sections, including Nation, World, Business, Opinion, and Commentary, and lifestyle sections, including Travel, Life & Tradition, Mind & Body, Food, and Puzzles. The Epoch Times has been publishing in Chinese since May 2000. It is either sold or distributed free-of-charge in 35 countries, including various international regional editions. The Epoch Times websites are blocked in mainland China.
You managed to make this thread all about others... where they post, what they post about... rather than Sleepy Joe and his endless trail of lies. And then you call that "participating in a celebration thread". You truly are one of a kind.
You should work for the Biden administration, you'd fit right in.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
You managed to make this thread all about others... where they post, what they post about... rather than Sleepy Joe and his endless trail of lies. And then you call that "participating in a celebration thread". You truly are one of a kind.
You should work for the Biden administration, you'd fit right in.
Thanks for the laughs. No, really. You are funny as bleep.
Trump threads are for you and your buddies. There are about five or six posters who attack in those threads when anything besides "put him in jail! is mentioned. The content of the posts doesn't matter, the validity doesn't matter, you and your buds gang up, make fun and laugh it off. Even when one of your own said something positive about his concession speech, he was immediately attacked and promptly said "yeah, you're right". That's how it goes there, that's why the only posters there are those who agree with your distorted sense of reality.
It's Lord of the Flies in those threads, only one group is much larger and way nastier than the other.
Your perverse obsession with keeping score, and thinking that actually proves a point, is even worse than than your constant cherry-picking, rearranging the argument and strawmans. Grow up.
Showing up in a Biden thread to say "yeah, but Trump" doesn't mean you 'have balls'. Don't flatter yourself, in most of your posts it sounds like they haven't dropped yet.
I started this thread, it's for whatever I want it to be. Pfft.
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Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
Republicans want Biden home visitor logs - but not Trump's
WASHINGTON, Jan 15 (Reuters) - The Republican chairman of the House Oversight Committee on Sunday demanded visitor logs for President Joe Biden's house in Wilmington, Delaware, after classified documents were found in his office and garage.
"Without a list of individuals who have visited his residence, the American people will never know who had access to these highly sensitive documents," Representative James Comer said in a letter to White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain dated Sunday.
Republicans have sought to compare the Biden documents case, which involves material from his time as vice president, with that of former President Donald Trump, who faces a federal criminal probe of how he handled classified documents after he left the White House in 2021. But legal experts say there are stark contrasts between the two cases.
Comer said he would not seek visitor logs for Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence, where more than 100 classified documents - some of them labeled top secret - were found in an FBI search.
"I don't feel like we need to spend a whole lot of time because the Democrats have done that for the past six years," he said in an interview Sunday with CNN.
Trump has announced he would seek the presidency again in 2024, with Biden as his expected Democratic rival.
The Biden disclosures emerged last week after his legal team said it had found classified documents relating to his time as vice president in the Obama administration at his Delaware home. His lawyers on Saturday reported finding five additional pages at his home.
Top secret material was included in some of the 10 or so documents found at the Penn Biden Center think tank, CBS reported on Sunday, citing an unidentified law enforcement source. The White House had no comment on the report. A representative for Biden's personal lawyer, Bob Bauer, did not return a request for comment.
There is no legal requirement that U.S. presidents disclose visitors at their home or at the White House. The Biden administration reinstated disclosures of official guests to the White House and released its first batch of records in May 2021. Former President Donald Trump had suspended the practice shortly after he took office in 2017.
TRUMP VS. BIDEN DOCUMENT ISSUES Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives launched an investigation on Friday into the Justice Department's handling of improperly stored classified documents possessed by Biden. Comer's committee is also reviewing the case.
The investigation comes as Trump is under federal criminal investigation for mishandling classified documents after his presidency.
In the Biden case, the president's lawyers informed the National Archives and Justice Department about finding a small number of documents at a think tank in Washington and later at Biden's Wilmington home.
In Trump's case, the National Archives tried for more than a year after Trump left office to retrieve all of the records he retained, without success. When Trump finally returned 15 boxes of documents in January 2022, Archives officials discovered they contained classified materials.
After the matter was referred to the Justice Department, Trump's lawyers handed over more material from Trump's Mar-a-Lago home and said there were no more documents on the premises.
That turned out to be false. In the end, the FBI recovered an additional 13,000 documents, about 100 of which were marked classified, from the estate.
House Democrats introduced the "Mar-a-Lago Act" in 2017 that would require Trump to regularly disclose visitors to his Florida home, but it was never voted on in the chamber or full Congress.
Democratic Representative Adam Schiff, the outgoing House Intelligence Committee chairman, said Congress should seek an assessment from the U.S. intelligence community on whether any documents, from either Trump or Biden, jeopardized national security.
"I don't think we can exclude the possibility without knowing more of the facts," Schiff said on ABC's "This Week."
Pathetic people make pathetic excuses and blame others for their own behavior. You and j are doing just that. But I have big shoulders. Cute little memes and put downs to blame others for your own double standards and hypocrisy. So much for self accountability. So much for your so called non bias actions and opinions. You have shown exactly who you are. Just as much political hacks as those you've spent so much time pointing your fingers at. I really hadn't thought of you two under the "Murica!" banner. But I certainly do now. You've both earned. If you were looking for laughs you've certainly proven yourselves to be a joke. Mission accomplished.
And here is yet another part of your right wing source that was actually founded by Chinese people making it sound as if Penn is some special circumstance or that it's unusual that American universities get money from Chinese Businesses. Of course they wish to make it sound more nefarious so they called it "the Chinese" and "Chinese Communist entities".
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In an interview with NTD News, Kamenar raised concern about the discovery of these documents in light of the approximately $63 million the University of Pennsylvania has received from China in recent years.
“There is a direct connection here because the Penn Biden Center is funded, of course, by the University of Pennsylvania,” Kamenar said. “And our investigation, in fact, our complaint against the Biden center with the Department of Education is that they are getting a lot of money from China, from the Chinese Communist entities there that are really unaccounted for.”
In May 2020, NLPC filed a complaint, requesting that the Department of Education investigate the university and the Penn Biden Center over donations from anonymous Chinese sources.
“There’s about $63 million that was given to the University of Pennsylvania over the last few years. Of that, $22 million is listed as anonymous. And there’s one single donation of $14.5 million from one single anonymous source in China. That was given in 2018 when the Biden center opened, and there’s more money given after Biden announced in 2019 that he is running for president. So the question is, how is this Chinese money getting to the Biden center?” Kamenar told NTD News.
This isn't unusual at all.
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China’s Donations to U.S. Universities
It’s not just Chinese international students funding American academia.
American universities have reported more than a billion dollars in gifts from China and Hong Kong since 2014, making China their largest source of foreign donations. During that same period, some U.S. government agencies and American academics themselves have grown increasingly concerned about China’s influence within U.S. academia, from the Thousand Talents recruitment program discussed in this week’s cover story to concerns about how the new Hong Kong Security Law could impact professors and students in the United States.
Harvard Received Almost $385 Million from 46 Countries Since August 2019
Sources from China contributed $69.9 million to Harvard over the same time period, outpacing all other countries. Harvard received 12.9 percent of the total funding given to American universities by Chinese sources — the most of any school.
This is a common occurrence at many universities. It's not specific to Penn nor is it something nefarious as the right wing hit job you posted and other right wing media in general would like to act like it is. But you go on spreading that kind of BS with no fact checking. You go on and keep pointing fingers in one directions and wearing blinder in the other. And make it sound like it's someone elses fault for pointing it out. That's pretty much the only defense left for you and others obvious hypocrisy.
BIDEN! BIDEN! BIDEN! Donald who?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Pathetic people make pathetic excuses and blame others for their own behavior. You and j are doing just that. But I have big shoulders. Cute little memes and put downs to blame others for your own double standards and hypocrisy. So much for self accountability. So much for your so called non bias actions and opinions. You have shown exactly who you are. Just as much political hacks as those you've spent so much time pointing your fingers at. I really hadn't thought of you two under the "Murica!" banner. But I certainly do now. You've both earned. If you were looking for laughs you've certainly proven yourselves to be a joke. Mission accomplished.
Want some dressing with that word salad? I'd reach for the Butthurt Balsamic if I were you.
Awe, still trying to act like it's someone elses fault you've shown your hypocritical side I see. I don't feel butthurt because you've shown who you are. I'm glad to see you've come out of the closet to show the real you.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
No kidding. Just look at that post. People are too serious and get too bent around here. I mostly just check in here for the ships and giggles. Except for a very few topics like COVID, I gave up having lengthy serious discussions in this forum years ago when I realized that no one is going to change anyone elses mind and all of the "research" is just looking for articles that support one side of the aisle.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
Pointing out the obvious doesn't mean anyone is bent. Those getting bent seem to be the people who were called out about only giving a damn about one side of this thing while ignoring the other. And just how far would someone have to go to find and use a false hit piece from the The Epoch Times? Most people have never even heard of them.
And you are right about nobody changing anyone's mind. But it is interesting to watch people act as though they don't lean hard in one direction or support trump only to provide the evidence that it's nothing but a lie.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I find it hilarious that this breaking news is coming from the pits of hell or the mind of a far-rightwinger. Pretty much the same things from my POV. I thought I'd see who this site is so I just clicked through to their shop... and the first item:
Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
I find it hilarious that this breaking news is coming from the pits of hell or the mind of a far-rightwinger. Pretty much the same things from my POV. I thought I'd see who this site is so I just clicked through to their shop... and the first item:
If you voted for Trump, I DO BLAME YOU!
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
You may wish to look again at what I posted about Chinese businesses funneling millions and millions of dollars into several U.S. universities. It happens all the time. There has been no connection shown between that and funding for the center.
You might wish to look at any accurate information into what you're claiming. All anything I've seen is that Chinese businesses donated millions to Penn. They also donated millions up millions to Harvard as well as may other U.S. universities. But I'm pretty sure wherever you saw what you're claiming, they didn't tell you that part.
Harvard Leads U.S. Colleges That Received $1 Billion From China
You don't have regrets when you've done nothing wrong. So, the question is, did Biden knowingly do anything illegal or wrong? We'll know the answer in about a year, just like Trump's.
Last edited by OldColdDawg; 01/20/2310:56 PM.
Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
Oh boo hoo….he wasn’t up for re-election and, there’s no law against keeping quiet. Poor ole Goper tears, no red wave. If they all had half a brain they’d stop backing, defending and coddling deplorable candidates and start to govern.
A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives. – Jackie Robinson
Nothing to see here, folks. Just a lapse in judgement, right? No intention to hide anything - although it did take an FBI raid to get these. In the THIRD different location.
Nothing to see here, folks. Just a lapse in judgement, right? No intention to hide anything - although it did take an FBI raid to get these. In the THIRD different location.
No, no, you misunderstand. Biden just gave them all back when he was asked. And he did it willingly. No one had to go and get them.
No, no, you misunderstand. Biden just gave them all back when he was asked. And he did it willingly. No one had to go and get them.
(do I need purple?)
You shouldn't need purple - the differences between the reactions between Trump and Biden are important. The basic problem of them both having classified documents is no less important - and having so many locations and (reportedly) the age of some of the documents Biden had is a big issue... but so too is one guy denying, denying, lying, lying and trying to get his lawyer to write false statements, versus the other guy who is complying and working with the authorities in question. Or it should be.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
You truly are one of a kind. 
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