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How often is LeBron not on the court? He doesn't have to take every single shot to be effective due to his presence. Running empty backfields with Jacoby - and with Chubb on your team - is a fire-able offense. Chubb doesn't have to get the ball to make the defense prepare for it.

These "stats" are so lacking.

j/c...

FYI: Nick Chubb has 126 carries on the season, which ranks 3rd most in the entire NFL.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/rushing-plays

It's tempting to give him more carries, but RBs wear down. I started a thread this off-season about best RB duos in the NFL. I think it's important to have guys to split the load. It keeps guys fresher and helps reduce injuries as their bodies wear down. I also listed some of the other duos that were good. It's trending in the NFL and I have to give the Browns credit for helping to lead the way in this trend while still giving their star plenty of carries.

I have to admit I am a bit confused on this call. Some say it's on the center. However, a center is permitted to look down like that. The call on the field was that it was Dunn. The former ref said on the telecast said it was a penalty on Dunn because he was more than 2 or 3 spots away from where the defenders came into the neutral zone. However, there were players from Baltimore that made contact on the play. This place would have went nuts in the past over this call. Now, it's a different story. Anyway......watch this.






Btw---Cameron Justice said an apology was forthcoming from the NFL. However, late today, Stefanski said he has not received an adequate explanation from the league.

The explanation was exact and very clear on the broadcast. It is also clear on the slow mo in your clip. The LT or LG moves as a reaction to the Ravens encroachment - he moves before there is contact. Because he is more than 2 players away from the Raven player who encroaches - the penalty is actually on the OL.

It's a weird rule but correctly called.

Looking at it again.........Dunn doesn't even move. The guy beside him moved, but only after contact was made by the Ravens. You can cross into the neutral zone on defense, but you can't make contact. This was a terrible call in my opinion.

The call was correct, but the refs incorrectly called it on Dunn. Should have been called on Jordan Elliot who moves first before the Ravens make contact with the a Browns player and Ravens were still in the neutral zone.

Thanks. I never saw the angle where Elliot's foot moved.

Man, that's close. I think contact was made before Elliot's foot moved. Very close.

Whether the call was right or not, we lost. We've won games this year from more blatant mistakes and missed calls including one where the refs didn't know the rules. Seems like some are still trying to deflect rather than admit we are what our record says we are. Back up QB or not.

Mac, I do not disagree that the Ravens moved first. However, it's explained that, yes the Raven moved first and were in the neutral zone, which is not yet a penalty. The Browns player then false just before the Ravens players makes contact with the Browns player. Therefore, the penalty was on the Browns. Had the Ravens made contact with the Browns player before Jordan Phillips moved his leg, it would have been a penalty on the Ravens.

Mitchell Schwartz explains it as well, though, he says its on Bryant instead of correctly on Phillips who moved first.

My question is, why wasn't Bitonio in on that play? Bitonio was in on the GW kick against Carolina. If I recall, Bitonio was asked why he wasn't in on that play to block and he was not sure the reason. I could be remembering this incorrectly.

The Browns yell at each other in the locker room following a tough loss and they are said to have a terrible culture instead of that they still care about the outcome of games.

The Browns don't throw a hissy fit because they probably thought the call was going to go against Baltimore and they are said to not care and be all prim and proper.

People are manufacturing things to pile on to a team they are upset w/because of the QB situation.

The movement must be adjacent for encroachment.

Yeah, having players yelling at each other in the locker room after the game is a wonderful thing!



And you don't have to worry about people piling on. You somehow manage to shovel the crap that's happening with this team much faster than people can add to the pile.

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100% this.

Of course, we can't have any acknowledgement of locker room issues because that defeats the BS narrative he's been pushing for a year. You know what else has been happening for over a year, not with the undying support for a HC that is proving with each passing week that he's a below average HC.

Nobody has talked much about this so I will. For well over a year or two now, there has been a consensus that the Cleveland Browns have the best 2-headed rushing attack in football. Even with that strength, the FO and Stefanski thought it necessary to throw all morals to the wind and go after Watson. Even with the Watson suspension though, talk still abounded that the Browns were a division threat because after all, they have the best 2-headed rushing attack and OL in the NFL. Some will even say that with the brilliant offensive mind of Stefanski we should contend. so, how has that offensive juggernaut been working for the OC (I mean HC) Stefanski?

Week 7, the Browns were out rushed by BAL 160-113 a loss
Week 6, the Browns were out rushed by NEP 98-70 a loss
Week 5, the Browns were out rushed by LAC 238-213 a loss
Week 4, the Browns were out rushed by ATL 202-177 a loss
Week 3, the Browns out gained PIT by 171-104 a win
Week 2, the Browns out gained NYJ by 184-93 a loss
Week 1, the Browns out gained CAR by 217-54 a win

So far n 2022, every game the Browns have been beat at their own game, running the ball, they have lost. The best running back tandem in the NFL have been outrushed in 4 of 7 games this season and they were all losses.

To take this a little further, how have the Browns trended with this stat?

2022, 4 of 5 losses out rushed by the opponents 698 - 573
2021, 7 of 9 losses out rushed by the opponents 817 - 590
2020, 4 of 5 loses out rushed by the opponents 700 - 359
2020 playoffs, 1 of 1 loss out rushed by the opponent 123 - 112

Stefanski's career Browns record going into week 8 now sits at 20-22 including the playoffs. 16 of those 20 loses with the best running back tandem in the NFL occurred with the opponents out gaining the Browns on the ground.

This just shows that not only does Stefanski fail to adjust his offense depending on what the other team is doing, he obviously is totally uninvolved with adjustments on defense as to what the opponents are doing to his defense. This is a constant 2 1/2-year trend that is continuing to raise its ugly head in 2022 and will continue. When 80% of your losses over the last 2 1/2-years comes from the opponent beating you at your own strength, something is wrong in the throne room.

Stefanski doesn't sign players. You could be right that he supported the idea of signing watson. But you could also be wrong about that. As far as people's expectations, that's on them. After all was said and done I predicted 7 wins this year and I thought that was being optimistic. The Browns have been out rushed because the D is terrible on the interior of the DL. Not because they don't have a great running game. To back that up the Browns are ranked third in rushing yards in the NFL with 1145 rushing yards.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/stat/rushing

I'm not one who thinks Stefanski isn't without his faults. I'm also not one who tries to blame him for everything some of which is beyond his control.

When I saw LA outrush us WITH EASE … I knew we weren’t long for the season. That was pathetic and I knew NE would follow suit.

Have we elevated a TE off the practice squad? Cuz NJoku and brown were hurt Sunday.

So you would feel better if the coach was to rant and rave? You know that wouldn't have changed anything, right?

First of all, what you say is happening isn't what really is happening in that locker room. There have been no less than 4 players that have gone public about issues in that locker room. You my friend, spent months berating another player for doing that and to be fair, you have singled out JJIII this time. What this does have is an issue on the team that was called out last year and now is festering to the point where numerous players are calling it out. Just as you made assumptions that the person involved last year was tearing apart the locker room, it is still happening but now it's at least 4-fold. As much as you want to try and convince the other posters here that this is a conspiracy because of an ill felt QB situation, it's actually something that started last year and has continued to grow under the watch of your "can do no wrong" HC Stefanski. When players start going public it usually means there's no leadership being exhibited, and they fell they have no choice. It could have been addressed last year but instead the player was chastised. Now it has grown to numerous players publicly complaining with no end in sight. Hell, one of the players is Cooper who wasn't even here last year. Face it, Stefanski has lost the locker room and that's not a good sign for this team. LOL- but you just keep blaming it on the guy you continually display your hatred for on a daily basis. News Flash: he's not on the team anymore!

One of the issues I see is that, if a player isn't performing
Up to expected standards, he has no fear of being benched
Or getting his snaps reduced. The players have no.fear
Of Stefanski doing that.
Stefanski is good at X's and O's, but is not a coach to
Put players in their place. It's Just not in his DNA.
This team is very reminiscent of past Browns teams
Very soft and lacking fire

j/c...

I can't Like this enough.

You'll like this part even more!

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Browns are giving their long snapper a $865,000 signing bonus.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1586038190972211200

I's it me or is activity on the board at an all time low for this point in a season?

I noticed the same thing. Frustration, disappointment and angriness over the way we lose will do that.

There's not much to talk about.
In years past, when we'd hit this point in a failed season, we'd shift to talking about what needs to be fixed, what players we should get, etc.... but, here we are with a nearly stacked roster and we're still seeing the exact same ineptness we've seen for over two decades.

Interesting opinion piece:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...mp;cvid=150b1231d1ea4d86ab61800041abcbfe

Two LBs and Cortez Broughton -- a 6'2" / 293lb Defensive Tackle. 2019 7th round pick by the Chargers, later signed by Chiefs. 12 games over three seasons: 1 tackle / 1 pass defended.

In terms of the board inactivity … also to remember: we have no draft interest either, so that sucks too.

It feels like just another wasted year of our lives w/the Browns